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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kick Off live

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Speaker 1: right here on Giants dot Com, Schmilk, Figgles and you

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Speaker 1: hashtag Giants Chat. It's all presented by Corps Light. Giants

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Speaker 1: fall to the New Orleans Saints thirty three to eighteen.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunate a loss for the Giants. Game, or at least

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Speaker 1: the first half. I don't think went like any of

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Speaker 1: us would have expected. Uh, the Saints turned it on offensively,

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Speaker 1: scored three touchdowns and half number two to get the

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Speaker 1: thirty three points. And Jeff, I think when we start here,

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Speaker 1: we have to start with the Giants offense only seven

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Speaker 1: points in the first half. They scored the two touchdowns

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Speaker 1: in the game, had a two point conversion in the

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Speaker 1: field goal. That's so they got to eighteen. And Patchcharmer

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Speaker 1: said it after the game, and I don't think we're

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Speaker 1: breaking into ground here where when you say you're facing

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Speaker 1: the Saints defense that was literally ranked the worse in

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Speaker 1: the league, you gotta score more than eighteen points. Well,

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Speaker 1: that was the m O for the game. We knew that.

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Speaker 1: We said it in a pregame if it's and we

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Speaker 1: said if they didn't score thirty, they wouldn't win. And

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Speaker 1: even if they scored thirty, they might still not be

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Speaker 1: enough because the Saints are probably gonna top thirty two.

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Speaker 1: And they did, and they and you know what, if

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Speaker 1: it wasn't for the defense and those four red zone

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Speaker 1: stops for the four field goals, it would have been

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Speaker 1: in the forties. But it wasn't. And really, the offense

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Speaker 1: is the problem. The defense is keeping the Giants in games.

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Speaker 1: And again they weren't fantastic, the only the only fours

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Speaker 1: two punts in the game, but the Giants were in

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Speaker 1: this game. It was a one score game eighteen with

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Speaker 1: three minutes to go. Yeah, I just you know, and

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Speaker 1: it's just it's you scratch your head and you John

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Speaker 1: and I will not pull our hair out because we

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Speaker 1: don't have any left. But you can go ahead. Why

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Speaker 1: why you got? You got? How how is it that

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Speaker 1: this offense cannot produce points? And you know they are

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Speaker 1: at We talked about it, John, We said, when you

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Speaker 1: get into the red zone, you're gonna have to score

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Speaker 1: those points, not field goals. Well they didn't even really

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Speaker 1: tip the red zone all that much. And and to

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Speaker 1: be how close this game really really was at the

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Speaker 1: very end they had a chance with the nineties the

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Speaker 1: balls on the three yard line. Okay, with two plus

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Speaker 1: men's left in the game, they had a chance, which,

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Speaker 1: by the way, I don't know if you went back

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Speaker 1: and saw it that was a safety. It wasn't a safety.

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Speaker 1: It was a tripping penalty. The trip happened at the one.

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Speaker 1: Thought that I was up way high and there was

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Speaker 1: a trip. The trip happened at the one. Now Detino

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Speaker 1: I was talking to before said then after the trip

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Speaker 1: there was also a hold after the trip. I didn't

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Speaker 1: see that when I watched the tape this morning. That

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Speaker 1: happened in the end zone. The trip itself happened at

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Speaker 1: the one. But either way that still would have erased

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Speaker 1: a twenty yard game and had the Saints first and

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Speaker 1: twelve at the one or whatever, it would have been.

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Speaker 1: Ok So, yes, that that that that that was a

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Speaker 1: big non call, and the fishing in the game, it

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Speaker 1: was a little rough. I don't want to make that

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Speaker 1: the focus today though. No, that's not because you know,

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Speaker 1: and listen, I think that when you asked the defense

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Speaker 1: to do what they did for so long, you know

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Speaker 1: it's a matter of time before they're going to break down.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they were on the field a lot, and

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Speaker 1: they were holding that defense. Um in the first half

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Speaker 1: to four field goals. That was pretty good. Three field

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Speaker 1: goals pretty goods for Yeah. So yeah, it got a

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Speaker 1: lot of work to do, and and I think that

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Speaker 1: this is uh is gonna be one of those things

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Speaker 1: this week to week and we're gonna see some improvement

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Speaker 1: and then we're gonna see some step back. And you

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Speaker 1: look at the Houston game last week. This is we

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Speaker 1: talked about that offense and they scored twenty points in

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Speaker 1: the first half. They take their drive down and on

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Speaker 1: the first drive again and go score. And that's what

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Speaker 1: I was thinking in this game, like, Okay, here we go.

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Speaker 1: The defense stops him. The Giants differ, they stop him

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Speaker 1: on that on the first series, they get the ball,

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Speaker 1: be good. Well all right, let's let's let's talk about

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Speaker 1: some micro issues before you get to the big picture

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Speaker 1: macro stuff. Um. First things first, that first drive, I

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Speaker 1: on that first drive. And the big thing here do

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Speaker 1: in the way they're playing these games. On drives where

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Speaker 1: they avoid negative plays, they tend to score. Now it's

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Speaker 1: not every drive, but their three scoring drives in this game,

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Speaker 1: And when I say negative play, folks, I mean a

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Speaker 1: for a loss, a sack, or penalty or turnover. Obviously

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Speaker 1: with short circuity drive. But if you avoid those four

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Speaker 1: of scoring. But when you look at the drives that

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Speaker 1: the Giants did not score on, Jeff, there's no real

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Speaker 1: mystery as to why they didn't score. And and and

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Speaker 1: this is more than micro stuff. Second drive of the game,

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Speaker 1: second quarter, they get a first down on a second

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Speaker 1: and five Scott Simons and a seven yard game. Then

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Speaker 1: on a first and ten they get called for an

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Speaker 1: offensive pass interference penalty that puts into a first and twenty,

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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden it turns into a third

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Speaker 1: runs behind the line of scrimmages a fourth and nineteen. Uh.

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Speaker 1: The next drive the Giants have, that's the Wing Goldman

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Speaker 1: fumble and recovery. Another big time negative play. All Right,

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Speaker 1: those are all the Giants drives in the first half.

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Speaker 1: That's it. They just had three. Okay, then you go

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Speaker 1: or that was the think that was four. You go

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Speaker 1: to the third quarter, Giants first d five, they get

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Speaker 1: a holding penalty, make it first and twenty. Okay, they

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Speaker 1: and five, Eli Manning a sack for a negative nine loss.

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Speaker 1: And then you're in a third and four team and

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Speaker 1: you got yourself in second and five, which would take

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Speaker 1: second and five. All right, but there goes that drive,

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Speaker 1: another negative play, short circuiting a drive. The next drive,

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Speaker 1: That's a scoring drive. Okay, next drive, third and six,

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Speaker 1: Eli Manning sacked eight yard loss, big negative play, short

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Speaker 1: So on the micro side of the Jeff, this offense

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Speaker 1: is not at the point yet whether it's the line,

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Speaker 1: and the line played good enough in this game. By

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Speaker 1: the way, this game is not on the offensive line

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, at least um the line played well

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Speaker 1: but when you get off schedule and you're getting those second,

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Speaker 1: might have, that's when this offense runs some problems. Then

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Speaker 1: team has got to be able to run the football.

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Speaker 1: And I don't care if you have eight in the

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Speaker 1: run the football and find a way to do it

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Speaker 1: because and I don't want to hear about the checkdowns.

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Speaker 1: Are you know we compliment your running game by doing

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Speaker 1: that this and that it all comes from running the football.

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Speaker 1: And this offensive line is not a high school team.

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Speaker 1: They're they're capable of doing it. I don't know where

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Speaker 1: the run went. I mean when you look at these,

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Speaker 1: look at Kan had ten rushes. They had fifteen on

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Speaker 1: the day. Barkley had five rushes in the first half,

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Speaker 1: five in the second. And patch members said after the game,

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Speaker 1: and then he said again today that if he could

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Speaker 1: would be run. So he has admitted that they should

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Speaker 1: have run the ball more. And Barkley said today too,

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Speaker 1: and other people have said that that, and I looked

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Speaker 1: at the tape this morning. The Saints played a ton

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Speaker 1: of own. They played man maybe and I charted everything.

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Speaker 1: I don't I left my notepad in the other room.

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Speaker 1: But um, when the Saints played man, which is only

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Speaker 1: five to seven times during the game, Giants could throw

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Speaker 1: whether it's a Cover two or Cover three, gems give

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Speaker 1: you everything under You know they were given everything underneath.

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Speaker 1: But how you get them out of that? No question.

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Speaker 1: We've been saying that for two years down the team

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Speaker 1: hasn't been able to run it. But guess what when

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Speaker 1: you ruble the offensive line and there are better run

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Speaker 1: blocking line than they wore a year ago. I don't

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Speaker 1: care what anybody says. And you draft a running back

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Speaker 1: out of those deep covers, deep coverages by running the football,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think and look, Patremmer said it today.

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Speaker 1: They should have given Barkley more touches in the running game,

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Speaker 1: and I do think that was a mistake. You get to,

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Speaker 1: that zone coverage. Did you call them? And you know,

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Speaker 1: and I think that I had meant, I had heard

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Speaker 1: So um, but three three, four possessions in the first half,

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Speaker 1: that's that's not you know, that's not what you want. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know, each usually usually want between five and maybe

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Speaker 1: you want to get. So um. But again, the defense

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Speaker 1: did a nice job in that first half. They really did. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know, not a lot of pressure. But you're not

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Speaker 1: Or because he's just gonna scramb around. But you don't

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Speaker 1: want to get give a lot of you can't blitz

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Speaker 1: threw brees, he'll just slice you up in a minute. Yeah. No, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: And you know, you look at the defense the Saints played.

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Speaker 1: They mixed up single hind too deep. Um. They probably

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Speaker 1: about half and half cover two, Cover three, and you know,

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Speaker 1: single high, too deep safety. They played mostly zone, and Jeff, honestly,

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Speaker 1: I looked at it. Maybe there were a couple of

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Speaker 1: a chance for a twenty or twenty five yard game.

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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe, but it's not like they were guys running

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Speaker 1: I think once the Giants realized the type of defenses

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Speaker 1: But the problem is that when you know you can

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Speaker 1: get those five and six yard chunks on those short passes,

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Speaker 1: but you getting it behind the sticks and third and

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Speaker 1: weren't playing man like they did a lot against Atlanta

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Speaker 1: last week and they were in mostly zone, they were

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Speaker 1: forcing the Giants to throw it underneath, to not get

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Speaker 1: the ball down the field, and they were not. I'm

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Speaker 1: telling you, they were not on the on the al

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Speaker 1: twenty two guys running deep down the field open on that.

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Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. The Saints were forcing them to go underneath.

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Speaker 1: Now if you wanted, guys, I'm telling you, if you

435
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Speaker 1: want an education on when to throw the ball downfield

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Speaker 1: or not, it's probably not up yet, but it will

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Speaker 1: be shortly because it just happened the locker room. Watch

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Speaker 1: Eli Manning's media availability today. He gets asked about the

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Speaker 1: balance of taking shots, taking what's there, knowing when to

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Speaker 1: go downfield and win not to, and he gives a

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Speaker 1: real good lesson on what a quarterbacks thinking about when

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Speaker 1: he's going against those type of deep zones. So I

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Speaker 1: encourage you when the show's over, don't turn it off yet.

444
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Speaker 1: But when the show's over, check out the giants dot com.

445
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Speaker 1: Watch Why did they stop going to throw the shepherd?

446
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Speaker 1: He was in the shot? He was he was checking.

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Speaker 1: Stop going to he had ten receptions for ten targets.

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Speaker 1: That's why they stopped going him because they started to

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Speaker 1: cover him. That's everybody's getting covered. The stone and a dog.

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Speaker 1: They aren't dog. They aren't getting covered. Eli man and

451
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Speaker 1: completed thirty one of forty one passes. They were just

452
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Speaker 1: a lot of short passes. It's not like he wasn't,

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Speaker 1: you know, completing passes. They just were short ones. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, but you gotta a lot of times. It

455
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Speaker 1: ran like the first half, Arty lost four yards running.

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Speaker 1: You're down nineteen and seven coming out to half, and um,

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Speaker 1: I mean you gotta go. Your line is not opening

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Speaker 1: up posed and Barty can't run. You gotta at least

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Speaker 1: trying to throw it, you know. All right, appreciate the call,

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Speaker 1: my friends. Thanks, And look, I don't think that Jeff,

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Speaker 1: Jeff and I would disagree. That's that's at least trying

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Speaker 1: to throw its Seriously, I mean, forty one is trying

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Speaker 1: to throw it. Yeah, and even if you take out

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Speaker 1: that final two minute drive, what thirty passing attempts to

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Speaker 1: fifteen Russian attempts, that's still that's still six pass I

466
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Speaker 1: mean they threw it thirty four times with the Giants

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Speaker 1: threw it more than the Saints, which we would You

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Speaker 1: want to laugh, Jeff, this is really funny. Before one

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Speaker 1: of our over unders on the pregame show, would any

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Speaker 1: team run it forty five percent of the time and

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Speaker 1: all of us just assumed eight team was going to

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Speaker 1: do it. It would have been the Giants, it wasn't,

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Speaker 1: and it was the Saints did Yeah, well look at this.

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Speaker 1: Now that's the thing. See this is bogus. They got

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Speaker 1: Drew brees is kneel downs in there. You take that out,

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Speaker 1: you might actually get below. We have to take those out.

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Speaker 1: I think we have to make sure. We have to

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Speaker 1: tell Lands to take those out. They take the kneel

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Speaker 1: downs because those aren't I mean that's like we're gonna

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Speaker 1: take the one drive at the end as it out too,

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Speaker 1: because it's a Neil down. I mean, you're gonna count

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Speaker 1: down as a drive. It's a kneel down drive, all right.

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Speaker 1: So we have to make sure we talk to Lance

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Speaker 1: when E talis the standings because I think all of

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Speaker 1: us went under. We did, yes, so all of us deserved.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna either way. It's all going to be the same.

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Speaker 1: But we all want to w because we've been bad

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Speaker 1: this year. All right, let's go to Robert and Maplewood.

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Speaker 1: He's up next. Hey Robert, what's going on, pal? How

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Speaker 1: are you hey? Guys, long time, long time listener. This

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Speaker 1: is my first time calling. Thanks for the show. Appreciate it, guy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I had a couple of points I wanted to talk about. Um.

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Speaker 1: First off, you know, I'm looking at at O'Dell playing,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think he has that explosiveness, that explosiveness

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Speaker 1: that he used to have. It just it just doesn't

496
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Speaker 1: seem there. It's like not that like extra gear once

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Speaker 1: he gets the ball. You know, Robert, it's funny, it's

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Speaker 1: funny you mentioned that. And I was just talking about

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Speaker 1: this with Um Bob Poppa this morning. And I wonder

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Speaker 1: if I haven't talked to Jeffrey. I wonder if he

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Speaker 1: feels the same way I feel like in years past,

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Speaker 1: you get the ball, make one cut off the catch

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Speaker 1: and just boom, get up field. I feel like he's

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Speaker 1: trying to make multiple kind of jukes now after he

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Speaker 1: catches it, and he doesn't just get it and go.

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Speaker 1: Do you agree with that? Ye? Do agree with it.

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Speaker 1: But I'm just wondering that a lot of times he

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Speaker 1: has two defenders on him a post one that might

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Speaker 1: be true too. Well, yeah, I mean an observation, yeah,

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Speaker 1: to that point. You know, like we keep saying, like

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Speaker 1: how you know everything was covered downfield because they change

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Speaker 1: the change the coverage and everything. But then don't Isn't

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Speaker 1: that the whole point of like good offers, especially like

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Speaker 1: especially at quarterback like Eli Manning, who has been doing

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Speaker 1: this for years, who can dissect any defense. Can't he

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Speaker 1: be finding that weaknesses? And I just feel like, as

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Speaker 1: a fan, I'm watching these games and I want to care.

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Speaker 1: Whatever are killing me, trust me, then them playing soft

519
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Speaker 1: zone is not an excuse for the Giants not scoring

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Speaker 1: more than eighteen points. It's not an excuse. You have

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Speaker 1: to score more than that. There's no question about it.

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Speaker 1: And Jeff and I talked about it before. In those situations,

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Speaker 1: Eli is gonna have to throw short passes. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: why not run the ball to try to force the

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Speaker 1: defense to come out of what they were doing. Because

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Speaker 1: what the Saints defense wants you to do is to

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Speaker 1: continually trying to complete four to six yard passes. What

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Speaker 1: they don't want you to do is maybe run the

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Speaker 1: ball for seven or eight yards of pop and then

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Speaker 1: maybe that causes them to come out of what they

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Speaker 1: were doing and maybe that changes things up a little bit.

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Speaker 1: And really quickly let me respond to see you know

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Speaker 1: you're missing. Your number one receiver, by the way, is

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Speaker 1: out of the game for two games. Really, I mean

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Speaker 1: Evan Ingram has been the number one receiver touchdowns and

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Speaker 1: receptions the last two years, just last year. It's only

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Speaker 1: a second year, but I'm saying last year he did

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Speaker 1: and so but in two thousand and seventy, so he

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Speaker 1: isn't in the game, and that's a perfect guy to

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Speaker 1: exploit that defense that you just talked about. So he's

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Speaker 1: not there. No, Yeah, you know, I mean I think

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Speaker 1: I was. I loved when they got red Ellison. I

543
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Speaker 1: think he's I think he's an improver and yeah he's approved.

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Speaker 1: Yeah he's No, he's no Ingram, that's for sure, but

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Speaker 1: I think he can he can do that. They went

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Speaker 1: to him once over the middle of the patent did

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Speaker 1: like tight end like you know, fly right up the middle. Uh,

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Speaker 1: he didn't catch it. That would have been a touchdown probably,

549
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Speaker 1: but he got hit as soon as he caught the ball.

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Speaker 1: And Robert quite frankly that that could have been a

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Speaker 1: better throw too. If if Elie throws out a little

552
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Speaker 1: bit lower around his waist, he might be able to

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Speaker 1: go down, go low and catch that ball for a

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Speaker 1: touchdown without the defender be able to knock it down.

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Speaker 1: Eli had two other bad throws to you have two

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Speaker 1: throws to the sideline to Odell Beckham Jr. That he

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Speaker 1: airmailed on little out route. So he blame myself to

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Speaker 1: see last point before before I let you guys go,

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Speaker 1: um and yeah, and I'm not here. I mean, I've

560
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Speaker 1: always been a big fan of Eli, and I believe

561
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Speaker 1: I believe Blue did you know, diehard Giants fan, and

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Speaker 1: I respect him for what he's done. But I definitely

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Speaker 1: feel like ever since like Ben McAdoo came into Eli's

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Speaker 1: career life, um, he's just like a completely different quarterback.

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Speaker 1: His his first instinct is to just like just take

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Speaker 1: the take the quick, little completion, you know, completion as

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Speaker 1: opposed to I know he's been running for his life

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Speaker 1: for the majority of it, but but um, you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. It just feels different, like he's afraid

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Speaker 1: to like just sling it, like you know, who cares,

571
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Speaker 1: you know, go for if he gets an interception. You know,

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Speaker 1: I get it, but I'd rather like them being attempting

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Speaker 1: to try to like fit stuff in and then like

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Speaker 1: this just this like not inept offense basically of what

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Speaker 1: they're doing. I don't know, thank you. It does get

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Speaker 1: a little bit tiresome seeing the little six yards four yards.

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Speaker 1: And here's the thing. You don't want to force things

578
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: in the double coverage and plays that aren't there. You

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Speaker 1: don't want to see that. But I think Robert hit

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Speaker 1: on the two things with Elie Ben mcadoo's offense. Did

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Speaker 1: ask him to play differently than he did under Kevin Gilbride.

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Speaker 1: You play differently as a quarterback in the West Coast

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Speaker 1: system as opposed to what you do under the adjusted

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Speaker 1: run and shoot whatever you wanna call that. You know,

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00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: Kevin Gilbride was running and you wonder if he hasn't

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Speaker 1: had that and I'll use this word carefully, that kind

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00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: of conditioning completely out of his head yet, because trust me, guys,

588
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,439
Speaker 1: he's not afraid of throwing big balls down the field.

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Speaker 1: That's an d n A. That's what he wants to do.

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00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 1: I mean, how many complaints have he had if you like,

591
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 1: trying to make plays that aren't there, and he forces

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00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: balls into places where he shouldn't and there's interceptions. That's

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00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 1: been the story of his career, and probably in the

594
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 1: first ten years of his career, that's been the people's

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Speaker 1: biggest gripe about him is the picks because he's always

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Speaker 1: trying to make the play. So I really don't think

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00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 1: he's afraid to throw the ball down the field. Um,

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Speaker 1: and guys, I'm telling you, I know you probably don't

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Speaker 1: want to hear it. And Eli did not play a

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Speaker 1: perfect game. He made some bad throws in that game,

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00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: and he missed a couple of other guys. But those

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00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: throws down the field, at least in this particular game,

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00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: they were not there. And I'm not sure if you know,

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00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: maybe coach Shermer is trying to make sure the offensive

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00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: one doesn't have to protect for seven seconds. But they

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Speaker 1: tried the first two weeks Jeff against the Jaguars and

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys, and Eli got beat up. Okay, you got

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00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: smacked around. I think they tried to play the offense straight,

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Speaker 1: get the ball down the field and kind of do

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Speaker 1: what they do, and the line didn't help him well,

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Speaker 1: and that's the thing they saw that it didn't work.

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Speaker 1: So have they now maybe overreacted to that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: should they maybe start Should they give the offense My

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00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: point it should they give the offensive one another shot

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Speaker 1: to protect on five and seven step drops where you

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00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: can make multiple reads and get the ball down the field.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe it is time to try that again,

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Speaker 1: but I don't think it's time to try that against

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Speaker 1: the Panthers. Think the Panthers are damn good. You wanna

620
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: try that against somebody? Try that against the Falcons. Falcons

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Speaker 1: can't get past rush on anybody. I think it's time

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Speaker 1: to get Squan Barkley more than and Carrons. You can

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Speaker 1: get the rushing game going and then we can find

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Speaker 1: if Eli will be able to set up people with

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00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: some play action and then go deep. I think I

626
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: don't care which team you are, John, you know this.

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Speaker 1: If you can run the football you can dictate what

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Speaker 1: you want to do to the defense, but if you

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Speaker 1: can't run the football, the defense will dictate what they

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Speaker 1: want to do to you. And that is what is happening. Period.

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Speaker 1: End of discussion. I don't disagree at all. We want

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Speaker 1: Atticus and the Polkados season next. Hello Atticus, Hey guys,

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Speaker 1: how you going to that good good? Thanks for taking

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Speaker 1: my call. Thanks for calling John. I actually saw you

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Speaker 1: as I was walking into the West Tower yesterday. I said, hey, John,

639
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: I listened to you every day on Big Blue Kickoff Live.

640
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: I think you were going to the desk. Did I

641
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: hear you? I hope I waved to hear something. No,

642
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: you spoke to me directly. Perfect. Pretty cool. And all

643
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: of these people who capt and you, you know, John

644
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: Ew and Lance sound the same, they sure don't see

645
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: in person because you tower over that guy. Man. I

646
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: wish Lance is here to hear that. Lance would say, well,

647
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: they tell me something. I don't know who doesn't tower

648
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: over me? I don't know, but it was pretty cool.

649
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: And let me say it was it was a little

650
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: painful to be at the game yesterday. You know. It was.

651
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: Um it's hard to watch, you know, when your team

652
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: and you know the potential you have. And I'm honestly,

653
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: I'm tired of hearing people saying we've got all these

654
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: weapons and this and that and the other thing. Well,

655
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: the weapon isn't a weapon if you don't use it,

656
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 1: and I don't think that we have used it effectively.

657
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: And I've got this idea and I just want to

658
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: get you guys take on it. I don't know, I'm

659
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: just trying to figure this whole thing out in my head,

660
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: you know. So I really think that the issues that

661
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: we still have surrounds are surrounded by our offensive line

662
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,040
Speaker 1: and the poor play that they're giving us. Not know,

663
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: they want to do better and they're trying to do better,

664
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: and they're being coached to do better. But I think

665
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: that we still have some glaring issues that were overshadowed

666
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: by Flowers, who was no longer there, so we can't

667
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: blame him, but they are still there. Last year, Eli

668
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: Manning had the quickest release in the league, and it's

669
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: not because that's what he was trying trying to do,

670
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: but that's what he was forced to do because he

671
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: didn't get rid of the ball, he was gonna get

672
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: killed back there. And we can see how the pressure

673
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: forces you into make a mistake. Tips tips passes um

674
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: three announced that happens more often than not, and it

675
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: was something that was difficult to see then and it

676
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: looks like it's still continued to happen now. So here's

677
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: the thing where he's still and he probably leads the

678
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: league and the quickest release this year too. I mean,

679
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: he's got these five and six yard thinking dunks going

680
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: down the field. And you guys also, I mean, you

681
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: gotta let us fans feel like we're smart because you

682
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: brought up all the points I wanted to bring up.

683
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: But some stuff I think of the line has forced

684
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: us in, Like the coach said that his postgame press conference,

685
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: you guys were talking about, you know, the same for

686
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: playing this soft, soft zone and they weren't doing a

687
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: whole lot of man coverage, which forces us to have

688
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: to make adjustments throughout the game. Running the ball would

689
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: have been ideal, and you guys brought that up also

690
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: in order to have these safety start creeping up the

691
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: backers playing closer to the line, so we can create

692
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,959
Speaker 1: some opportunities in the secondary, and that hasn't happened. So

693
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: my theory is this. My theory is that the Giants

694
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: are really still trying to figure out the best way

695
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: to approach how they're gonna operate offensively. And I know

696
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: we gave up thirty three points last year last night,

697
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: but I don't think the defense is as much of

698
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: a problem as our offensive line, and the offensive line

699
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: is having a ripple effect on play calling, on the

700
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: coach trying to figure out the best way to do it.

701
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: You guys said it that he's uh, Eli Manning still

702
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: has a bit at a whole Kevin Gilbride area and

703
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: and meshed inside of how he plays and thinks. And

704
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: I think that's true also, And I think that this

705
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: whole offensive line issue has had a ripple effect that

706
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: we just haven't quite figured away to get out of.

707
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: And I want to know how do we fix that.

708
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 1: I think you're right. I think the offensive line is

709
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: kind of like a specter that kind of just hovers

710
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: in the background and it affects everything in terms of

711
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: how you game plan. But I want to be clear

712
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: about something. The offensive line protected more than well enough

713
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 1: to allow the Giants to succeed against the Saints. The

714
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: second half against the Texans was rough, the first half

715
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: was was good. But this game against the Saints, the

716
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: offensive line was good enough. Um, they gave a couple

717
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: of pressures, and that wasn't our issue this week. Our

718
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: issue this week was, like you said, why aren't we

719
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: running the ball more? Why aren't we Why aren't we

720
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: throwing some screen passes that it's really an extended run

721
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: play that's gonna make these guys cheat up so that

722
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 1: we create some opportunities he had to work with. I

723
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: don't think screen passes with the answer this week. The

724
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: screen passes work against teams that are bringing pressure a lot.

725
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: If you're in a song zone, all the linebackers can

726
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 1: watch that screen develop and then attack it. So I

727
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: don't think this particular week a screen pass would have

728
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: been effected. But running the ball, yeah, Look, I mean

729
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,919
Speaker 1: Barkley was ten forty four. He had one eight yard run,

730
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: So look you take that out. Nine carry sixteen yards.

731
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: That's not consistent enough in terms of yards per carry,

732
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,399
Speaker 1: But ten attempts is not enough and Pat Chremer said

733
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: it today, he admitted it. He knows. So we're not

734
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,439
Speaker 1: breaking any ground. Um, you have to commit to the run.

735
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: You have to run the ball a little bit more,

736
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,720
Speaker 1: especially in a game that it was a one score

737
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: game for at least a half, if not more. Thank

738
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: you A yeah, thank We gotta run good points. You

739
00:34:58,080 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: make good point his point as well as well. Take

740
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: and it's the truth. And I think that the Giants

741
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: fans are gonna have to understand that there's gonna be

742
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: an ebb and flow to this season. You're gonna you're

743
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: gonna get games like yesterday. You're gonna get games like

744
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: the Houston game. You're gonna get a game where the

745
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: Giants didn't have any reason winning the game. They're gonna

746
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,399
Speaker 1: get one of those. So it's it's just a very

747
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 1: difficult situation. And right now this team is trying to

748
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: figure out things. And I think that you know, we

749
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 1: said it, at least Lance and I did. Coming into

750
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 1: the season. We did not believe that this was gonna

751
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: be that that that good of a football season for

752
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: the Giants is gonna be growing pains. I thought they

753
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: would hover around five and you know, what and and

754
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: I think at this point, if they get to that,

755
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: I think it would be great. But I will tell

756
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: you that there's gonna be ups and downs and peaks

757
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: and valley in season. In order to get there, you

758
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: needed to win some close games, and they haven't done

759
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: that so far. Yep, But I still think there is

760
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: gonna be. There's a game in there they're gonna be.

761
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: We're all gonna sit here on Monday and say, Okay,

762
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: there's the offense that we've been waiting for. They put

763
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: up thirty points, they're they're fifty six percent on third down,

764
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 1: their defense you know, does well, and we're gonna be like, Okay,

765
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: here it comes. And then then then they're gonna take

766
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: a step back and they're gonna win a game on

767
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: a field goal or something where they shouldn't win against

768
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: maybe I don't know, Philadelphia or something, you know, but

769
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: Philly lost yesterday too, So the division as a whole

770
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: is still a little bit of a chance. And Redskins

771
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 1: had the bye week, yeah, and KD Dallas one. So

772
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: I guess what, Phillies too early by two p two

773
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: and two? Now, right, yes, Phil he's two and two,

774
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: Dallas two and two Redskins in first place to two

775
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: and one and partying in d C and then the

776
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: Giants obviously one of the three. I used to hate

777
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: to get that by the fourth week. You rather have

778
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: it way too late than wait too early. Yeah, especially

779
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: if you're doing well, then you can get it late.

780
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: You get some guys healthy, you know. But first quarter

781
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: of the season's gone already. I know, I know. If

782
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: you count the preseason eight games down, twelve to go, okay,

783
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: you can look at it that way. That's why I

784
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: look at it. They might they might only be exhibition

785
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: teams to fans. Still a game of preparation for me

786
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 1: in my work week. Let me tell you, all right,

787
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 1: let's go. Let's go to Billy in Middletown. He's up next.

788
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: Hey Billy, Hey John, Hey Japs Yilly. Mike call got

789
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: picked apart a little bit by callers before me. But

790
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: if New Orleans has been covered to cover three plays zone,

791
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: how is this that se kwon goalman Edelson. Don't lick

792
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: their chops with that. No, they should be right yeah,

793
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: yeh you you know, you take advantage of what they're

794
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: giving you. You pick them apart there, you know, get

795
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,439
Speaker 1: them to creep up a little bit and then try

796
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: taking some deep shops down the field. But it just

797
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: seems like we just couldn't. We couldn't do that. Correct,

798
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: We're not. We have nothing to say. I wish, I

799
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: wish we could go back and change it, but it

800
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 1: is what it is. We got here on paper. I mean,

801
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 1: the game was called the way it was, and and

802
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: in hindsight, the head coach is even said I wish

803
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: I would have done a couple of different things, including

804
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: some time outs and things like that he had mentioned

805
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: from the press. He mentioned the time out the end

806
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 1: of the first half, So you know, I'm not bringing

807
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 1: stuff up that he didn't talk about, and it's just

808
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: you know, you look back on those and you say, yeah,

809
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: I could have done things some different. You know, maybe

810
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 1: that helps him going forward the next time they get

811
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 1: into this situation that they can they can highlight that

812
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: a little bit better. Only three plays glad, I'm sorry, Yeah,

813
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: s Shermer does right now. I thought it might have been,

814
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: but Shermer calls the place, yes sir, yes, yep. And

815
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,720
Speaker 1: when it comes to the offensive line, look, I wasn't

816
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: really that hat today. I thought there were times they

817
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 1: were back and it's like, wow, look at this time

818
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 1: to do something here. Sure, I agree. They had a

819
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: couple of negative plays. The one if you remember the

820
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: running play where Sequan got tackled in the backfield like

821
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: seven yards. I mean that's a that's a no block.

822
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 1: I mean not to know something happens sold and missed

823
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: the block. Now, a lot of people said they saw

824
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: a face mask on that. Jeff, I did not see

825
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: a good enough replay where there was a face mask,

826
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: did you. I not on the scoreboard. I was at

827
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: the game. Yeah, that that was. That was pretty glaring, right.

828
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 1: There was just as a as they gave that horse

829
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: collar to Jenkin, the crowd really gave him that one. Huh. Well,

830
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 1: the officiating, we're not going to go there. We've already

831
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: said that. But it was. It was. It could have

832
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 1: been a little bit better yesterday. The game could have

833
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 1: been a and for both teams, by the way, not

834
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: just against the Giants. It was there just some calls

835
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: against the Saints too that were elvited this way. If

836
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: the game had been called accurately, I think it would

837
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: have been a one possession game at the end of

838
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: the game, and maybe whatever team has the ball last

839
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 1: would have won. Well, certainly it came down to the

840
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: end though. Man that did went over the top for

841
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: that for that too. Man, did he get up there?

842
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 1: We get him off the field, Just get him off

843
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: the field, that bull back and we well it was close,

844
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: you know, get there's eight points there. And by the way,

845
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 1: the Saints they weren't running, boy, they weren't running the

846
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 1: clock out here. They're throwing the damn thing left and right.

847
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 1: It was amazing. That's the Saints. I mean, they just

848
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: they just do they do. They do whatever they want

849
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: to do. Thank you have an offense like that, Thank you, Billy.

850
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's crazy, it's really is. It's fun

851
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 1: to watch, you know, it's it's it's really a fun

852
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 1: offense to watch it. I just love how they kept

853
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: Breeze on the field and brought Hill in, you know,

854
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: and then then they would run the play in and

855
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: he would be like, okay, I'm out and he just

856
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: run out and here going to Drewid just down the field.

857
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: It was just hilarious the way that they make up

858
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: these plays. Alvin Kamar is pretty good too, by the way.

859
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: He's very fast and he's just so like just sniffty

860
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,879
Speaker 1: and and just get you know, last week we talked

861
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: about this thirty touches in the game the week before

862
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: thirty for it's not bad Mark mark Ingram comes back

863
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: next week, then he can bouncing up our battle bill.

864
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 1: But I don't you know the success there. Listen, you

865
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: look at what he did last year. I mean that

866
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: was tremendous success in Ingram was there too. But I

867
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 1: think that you know, you you like Sequon, you've got

868
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: to get that guy touches a game. Um, Sequan had

869
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: what ten ten rushes and eight receiving? Is that what

870
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: it was? Eight? Did he have eight catches? Its six catches,

871
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 1: six touches and Coach Memer said he liked them a

872
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 1: few more. And we've talked about this. The way I

873
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: always looked at he should have anywhere between twenty and

874
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: twenty four or so touches, maybe twenty five over the

875
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: course of the game. That's where he should be at.

876
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you I think that there's not one

877
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: person that's going to argue this point with me is

878
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: that the Giants return game has got to could do

879
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:41,760
Speaker 1: something about this. This kickoff reternity Mr Special Teams. Well,

880
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: first of all in the NFL, getting kickoff returns, you're

881
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 1: not going to get a lot of them, so you know,

882
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 1: so you gotta when you do get one, you've got

883
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: to execute and you've got to come up with some

884
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: creativity as far as you're blocking. Um, you know. And

885
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: the one that that uh he ran out what was

886
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: his name, the new guy, Juel Davis, He was like

887
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: six yards. They've been a little tentative has indicated that

888
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: that might have been an error. Yeah. By the way,

889
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:12,720
Speaker 1: the twenty five yard line is okay, two first downs,

890
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 1: you're almost at midfield, okay, so keep it in the

891
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: end zone unless it's at the one, you know, one

892
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 1: yard deep or something, unless you're hester where you can

893
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: bring it out eight yard deep. But that's one one way.

894
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: And then part returns, Um, gotta work on just again,

895
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: stand on your guys. It's just discipline on the returns.

896
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: You gotta it's all. It's all technique and fundamentals of

897
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: staying on your guy and give the guy some but

898
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: you gotta have you gotta have a capable return. They

899
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 1: put they put Beckham in there for one one part

900
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 1: returning Fair caught it, but um, I think that was

901
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: more because of boss security than wanting to make a

902
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: play to a one four five one three. You want

903
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: to remind you again that big book. Kig Golf Live

904
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,040
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905
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 1: after an amazing Giants prizes throughout the season. We're looking

906
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: at you one fair catch. Yeah, he was in there

907
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 1: one time. Yes, let's go to co Marvin. He's in Delaware, Marvin.

908
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: What's going on? Man? Long time they'll speak. Yeah, how

909
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: are you doing? John? And Jeff? Very good there? How

910
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: are you? Yeah? I'm doing all right, not too bad,

911
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: little a little sad of the lost yesterday. Um, you

912
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 1: guys kind of like, uh, hit it right on the nose.

913
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 1: I can't understand going into this particular game why we

914
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: didn't really run the ball on these guys that at

915
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: least limits some of these negative plays that you guys had,

916
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: uh talked about Coach Marvin. You know what it is,

917
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: in my opinion, why they didn't run the ball is

918
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: because John mentioned it earlier in the show that on paper,

919
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: when you looked at this Saints defense, you kind of

920
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: were licking your lips a little bit. Yeah, But Jeff,

921
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: once you see that, they change the way they were defending,

922
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,240
Speaker 1: and you wouldn't be able to make those big plays.

923
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 1: That's when you have to start running the ball again. Okay,

924
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: well I think that sometimes you become stubborn and you

925
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 1: say to practice this all week, this is our game

926
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: plan and we're going to run with it. And then

927
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: you know, as much as it's easy to say, you

928
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: make adjustments and games a lot of times everybody has

929
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 1: to be on the same page. When the coach you

930
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: might know, you know that's probably better than anybody. Well,

931
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: I'm just sitting here thinking what you guys are saying,

932
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna three with both of you. Believe it

933
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: or not, you're both are right. Uh, they keep it, chops.

934
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 1: Going into the game, you're looking at what you can

935
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 1: do to this team, and you're gonna exploit them. At fact,

936
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 1: they they they must have self because they came out

937
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: and said, you know what, we're gonna let nobody get

938
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: behind us. And then not seeing them doing that, then

939
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 1: I have to adjust looking at their alignment on defense

940
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: and say, Okay, they look like they want me to

941
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,320
Speaker 1: do something different, so I'm gonna have to do something

942
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: to get them into where I want them into and

943
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 1: running the ball. Eventually, those line packers got to keep

944
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: coming up, coming, up, coming up where I can throw

945
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: behind them. W those corners can't get any ilk. And

946
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: we didn't do that. I mean running the ball. What

947
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: do you have the ball like? Um? Um uh? Well

948
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: they ran as a teams half well, he had five

949
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: rushes in the first half, Coach Marvin, And I'm gonna

950
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: tell you that they had fifteen on the day and

951
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: Eli had two of them. So they ran the ball

952
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: thirteen times first half. Coach Marvin Kwan at five rushing

953
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: attempts and he had only one reception, so six touches

954
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,240
Speaker 1: in the first half. And I know you both agree

955
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: that's not enough in the first half, but just this

956
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: particular team, because the plan also could have been to

957
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,240
Speaker 1: keep red to feel as much time as you could,

958
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: and the defense plays so well to keep us in

959
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 1: that game one scool, one school. That's that's all. You

960
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: want to keep the scores to one score, and the

961
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: defense was doing that, but we just didn't take advantage

962
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: of it. And um that was and they ran out

963
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 1: of steam at the end of the game. Do you really,

964
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: I mean, they did it for so long, and then

965
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 1: that offense for the staint just will kick in on

966
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:00,040
Speaker 1: any team. Well just because they're so powerful they and

967
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: just run guys all over the place and swing it

968
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: all over the place and the defense this wears down.

969
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: They really do. And my last point was, um, I

970
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: don't know if you guys noticed that. It was a

971
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 1: weird weekend of coaching. And you go back to the

972
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: Pinch State game against Ohio State, they mixed ball. That

973
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: was crazy. You had you had the um the coach

974
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: game had they went for it on fourth down to

975
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: give Houston the ball on their side of the field

976
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: with twenty five seconds or thirty or something seconds left,

977
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: and and in our situation, and the first thing I

978
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 1: was thinking about that I couldn't see the game live

979
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 1: because I lived in the Philadelphia area. I was watching

980
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: it on risk Um on red zone. And they went

981
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: to the park where in the first half we had

982
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: them at third in goal. And the first thing I thought, Okay,

983
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: come out, we gotta save the clock. It was like

984
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 1: fifty four seconds and we let them run that clock

985
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: down and and then we come out and we took

986
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: a knee. Even if they were to score, we at

987
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 1: least give ourselves enough times they can get another score,

988
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:13,280
Speaker 1: field goal or something that just that, and they still

989
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:17,800
Speaker 1: haven't explained in the reasons why. Because I felt that

990
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 1: you have it. I heard the press comp Yeah, I

991
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: will bring it up for your coach, Marvin and and

992
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 1: and thanks for the call and appreciate it as always

993
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: good to hear from you. Always good call. We love coach.

994
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 1: It kind of reminded me and coach Mark. I don't

995
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 1: know if we're coached, coached in college, high school, whatever

996
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 1: it is, but it reminds me of high school a

997
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: little bit, because, um, if any of you listeners that

998
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: have kids or even go to high school football games,

999
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 1: it's it's crazy, John, how these high school football coaches

1000
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: don't use their time outs correctly. But a lot of

1001
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: times the high school coaches, they don't want to run

1002
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: another play because they never know what's going to happen.

1003
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 1: In high school football. You could have a fumble, snap

1004
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 1: in it and the deeper it is gonna return it

1005
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: for a touchdown. So it drives me nuts in the

1006
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: stands when I'm watching my kids play college high school

1007
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 1: football what they don't call timeouts. I soon realize why.

1008
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,320
Speaker 1: It's because it's not the NFL. And you can't execute

1009
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 1: the way you do at that level. So they just say,

1010
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: you know what, let it run out. We're gonna go

1011
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: in and take our twenty five minute half time and

1012
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: come back out and start over. And this is what

1013
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: coach Rumer had to say about that. Um, the question was,

1014
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: you didn't use time outs there at the end of

1015
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 1: the first half. What was your thought process there? And

1016
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 1: Shermer answered, yet, in hindsight, I felt like they were

1017
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 1: working their way down the field. In hindsight, maybe I

1018
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 1: could have done it, but we didn't. So I think

1019
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: he kind of sees, you know what, maybe I should have,

1020
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: especially against that defense. You want to give yourself a

1021
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 1: chance to get the ball back. Um, you could use

1022
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: a couple of time outs, you get it back, maybe

1023
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:44,439
Speaker 1: one time out left a minute and change to go. Well,

1024
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 1: it was fifty seconds, right, yeah, but if you use

1025
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 1: timeouts early in the drive, that could have been more

1026
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 1: than that. Okay, you know what I mean. I think

1027
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: I think they they are not the argument, but the

1028
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: point is that with with at least just fifty seconds,

1029
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 1: there should have been a time out called, right, And

1030
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:02,760
Speaker 1: then they scored and he said, yeah, so I listen,

1031
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: I mean it's tough for coaches to get up there

1032
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: and there's people that are dissecting the game, and when

1033
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 1: you when you're doing it in the game, it's you know,

1034
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: when you make a mistake, it's tough to say it,

1035
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: you know, but uh in hindsight, as he says, yeah,

1036
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: maybe I should have. But bottom line, they didn't. Two

1037
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 1: calls left. Let's go to Lennon, Columbia, Maryland. He's up

1038
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 1: next day. Len How you doing so? Sorry? Tough loss yesterday, buddy,

1039
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: oh man, I mean, you know, another home loss, another loss,

1040
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 1: let's start with that. But another home loss. Um, frustrating

1041
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: and starting to get a little tiresome. I mean, we've

1042
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: got to play better at home if you know any

1043
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 1: place in the world. Well, let me let me start out.

1044
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 1: I don't think we can harp on this and if

1045
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: we don't have to talk about it, but I think

1046
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:48,320
Speaker 1: every qual should be mentioning it. The officiating was terrible.

1047
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: It was okay, it's just terrible. Um. Look, the Saints

1048
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:57,479
Speaker 1: have better personnel. I mean, it's a better team. There's

1049
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: no question. Offensively, at least, I'm not I'm not sure

1050
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 1: if the Saints defensive personnel. All right, and let me

1051
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 1: and let me say something about their defense. Um, they won't.

1052
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 1: They won't hold another team to under twenty points for

1053
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 1: the rest of the season. Well, well we'll just watch,

1054
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,359
Speaker 1: but they won't look back back on the personnel thing,

1055
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: you know, and I know, Jeff, you we throw around

1056
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: these numbers in the in the preseason are about going

1057
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: out in the street and getting got picking guys up

1058
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: and so forth. And we dressed a lot of guys yesterday.

1059
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: We don't have to start naming them because the list

1060
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: is long. But I'm just going to take a guess.

1061
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:44,800
Speaker 1: We dressed twenty guys yesterday who at best our forty

1062
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: seven through fifty three players at best. That's all you're

1063
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 1: just undermand when you're given shirts the guys at that

1064
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 1: level in the NFL. I mean, it's all we got,

1065
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: I understand it. It's oh, I mean, I think we

1066
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: have to be cognizant of the fact that this isn't

1067
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: And then when you you know, so, what you're left

1068
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: with is, you know, three starters, um, you know who

1069
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,280
Speaker 1: who were not not uninjured reserve but couldn't dress yesterday

1070
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 1: inactive for the game. I mean, you're you're you are

1071
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: really depleted, Yes you're making sense. You're making a lot

1072
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 1: of sense to me. I mean, I you know, I

1073
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: want to see these guys played better. But again, I mean,

1074
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 1: you can't get blood out of a turnip. I mean,

1075
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, look, we started the season with

1076
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,760
Speaker 1: nine offensive linemen. You know, well one quarter through the season,

1077
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: so you know, we start getting into predictions and is

1078
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: this a good team, bad team whatever. I'm not ready

1079
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 1: to go there and say it's a bad team playing bad.

1080
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:51,399
Speaker 1: I just want to say at this point, I don't

1081
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: think we're playing very well. I need a couple of

1082
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 1: more games to get a feel for how you know,

1083
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 1: how bad we are. But right now, you know, you

1084
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: look at the personnel and you want lean in that direction.

1085
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: We we started with nine offensive linement at the beginning

1086
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: of the season. I think there's eight on the roster.

1087
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,839
Speaker 1: Now nine offensive lineman. Let me just choose the nine

1088
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: because I expect that John how appeal, we'll get a

1089
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 1: shot again next year. Here's my early prediction. Six of

1090
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: those nine guys won't be on the opening day roster. Yeah.

1091
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: Now we don't have to go player by player, but

1092
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 1: that's just that's my We got another game, We got

1093
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 1: another game, Sunday. Yeah, you might be right about that. Actually,

1094
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 1: you know, I I think you're six of nine. It's

1095
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 1: not bad. It's not bad. I think I think that's right.

1096
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: We don't want to name the three or the six,

1097
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: but I can tell you I think we I think

1098
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 1: these guys are gonna get eliminated pretty quickly. It might

1099
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: be five, it might be five, but we'll say you'll

1100
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 1: be close. Okay, I'll tell you who my swing guy is.

1101
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:56,879
Speaker 1: My swing guy is Wheeler. If we think Wheeler can

1102
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 1: fit in as a third tackle, uh, he be the

1103
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: guy that gets it to you know, gets it to

1104
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: five instead of the six. Yeah, but we'll we'll, yeah,

1105
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 1: you know, we'll we'll see on that. But and when

1106
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: we've got to get better. You know, we have to

1107
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: try to play better. We've got to get better. I know,

1108
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 1: coach keeps saying that, you like keeps saying that, but

1109
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: that that's what it's all about. I mean, you know,

1110
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: you hope that these guys are gonna get a little better.

1111
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 1: It's incremental. It's you know, one in three. If you

1112
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,240
Speaker 1: go one in three and every quarter you're four and twelve,

1113
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 1: it's easy to make an evaluation. If the Saints are

1114
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 1: three and one, and they do the same thing in

1115
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 1: the next three quarters that twelve and four. That's a

1116
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 1: pretty darn good football. And I think I was on

1117
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:38,839
Speaker 1: with Jeff last week when somebody asked me, at one point,

1118
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:40,399
Speaker 1: do you judge what this team was? And I think

1119
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: I said after six games, right, Jeff? Is that what

1120
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 1: I said? Yeah? Yeah, I think you did. I think

1121
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:48,320
Speaker 1: and and six is mine. I'm not ready to declare

1122
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,479
Speaker 1: bad team. Everything I want to say at this point

1123
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:53,399
Speaker 1: is this year. I don't think they're playing very well.

1124
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 1: Just this year, right, Yeah, every year it's a new roster,

1125
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 1: new coach. I think you still trying to things out.

1126
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: You want to give him a little bit more time. Yeah, yeah,

1127
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I think that's true. But you know

1128
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 1: the other thing, and I trust Shermer and I like

1129
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 1: I like the job gentleman has done. I know we're

1130
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:13,439
Speaker 1: starting to come under a little scrutiny and a little

1131
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: complaining and so forth. I mean, he he gets one

1132
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 1: guy on the team, he cuts one guy, brings in

1133
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: another one who's probably incrementally better, you know. But but again,

1134
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,280
Speaker 1: there's too many guys in that forty seven to fifty

1135
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:29,399
Speaker 1: three range. That. I mean, you know, but look, hey,

1136
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 1: we've got another game Sunday, get a game plan in place. Practice, Well,

1137
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 1: get on the plane, go on down there and and

1138
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: take it to this Carolina team. Um, and let's let's

1139
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 1: see if we can play it a little better. Um.

1140
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 1: The next time you come home, I guess it's that

1141
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: Thursday night against the Eagles. Um, come on, man, this

1142
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 1: is uh time, you know, John, You've heard me say

1143
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 1: this for seven eight years now. Never send your best

1144
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: customers oman happy thank you, Lenn. It doesn't work long term. Thanks,

1145
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:07,359
Speaker 1: And look next two weeks, man, Hey, next week, I'll

1146
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 1: just stay on that with Panthers are good and your

1147
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 1: guys are good. You've got McCaffrey, another dynamic guy that's

1148
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: gonna get touches. You think cam Neon's gonna run the

1149
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 1: readoption next week? Oh yeah? In fact, I know he

1150
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 1: will very often because we can't stop it. Even with

1151
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 1: a guy that's you know, came up from the practice

1152
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,919
Speaker 1: squad on the Saints, guy so named Hill. I couldn't stop.

1153
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 1: He had some big plays in that too. And then

1154
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 1: the following week, the only thing I give the the

1155
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:34,919
Speaker 1: Eagles and the Giants game. The Giants a chance because

1156
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 1: it's the division game. I think that's about all I

1157
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,319
Speaker 1: could say what the next two weeks. The offense whan

1158
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 1: I'll be tested next week is a jump up to

1159
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 1: the Panthers, and then it's another jump up to maybe

1160
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 1: one of the best defensive lines in football in Philadelphia.

1161
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 1: And we'll see where they are. Yeah, yeah, and you know,

1162
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 1: and neither secondary is that great either, by the way,

1163
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 1: But are they just gonna copycat what the Saints did?

1164
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 1: Are they gonna copycat what the Texans and and and

1165
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 1: the Cowboys did? We'll see. This reminds me of a

1166
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:04,320
Speaker 1: lot of last year when when we kept still say that.

1167
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 1: And as far as defense is copying what works for

1168
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 1: against the Giants offense, it's copycat league, Jeff. And until

1169
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 1: they can find something to exploit it, and that's through

1170
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: the running game, then they're still going to see it

1171
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:21,359
Speaker 1: every week. Scott, New Mexico will wrap us up today.

1172
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 1: Hey Scotti, good afternoon, guys. Hi ahead, Scott, you got

1173
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 1: about sixty seconds. Okay. One of my favorite Yankees was

1174
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 1: Yogi Barra, and I think you remember the yogism uh

1175
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 1: that you said in regards to its dejavou all over again,

1176
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 1: and it's sort of like also built ourselves that said

1177
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 1: once that your record says who you are. And right

1178
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,359
Speaker 1: now we're one in four, no question one three. Don't

1179
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 1: give it an extra loss. Okay, come on, I'm not

1180
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:57,720
Speaker 1: going to look back. There's enough to obviously complain about.

1181
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:02,399
Speaker 1: But I'll in the the conversation this way, and both

1182
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 1: I'll take the answer off the line. Okay, the Giants

1183
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 1: are simply not playing well. It's obvious some of the

1184
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 1: blame and I'm a big believer in the book stops here,

1185
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 1: so I really think it stems from what the head

1186
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 1: coaches do. In this case Pat Sherburn, And I don't

1187
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 1: know how much blame you want to assist to Pat

1188
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 1: in regards to getting the team prepared, but my basic

1189
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 1: question is where do you go from here? How do

1190
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 1: you correct the mistakes? Because I keep hearing in his

1191
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 1: pressers the same thing. We didn't score enough, we need

1192
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 1: to put more points on the board, we need to

1193
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: get better, which are all sort of cliches, almost excuses

1194
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 1: for We're simply not that they aren't excuses. I could

1195
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 1: say exactly what they are, Pat Charmer, and I think

1196
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 1: I've said this before in the show. He will not

1197
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 1: call out specific players or even position groups, so he

1198
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 1: will always settle back into a generic. We have to

1199
00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 1: work harder, we have to get better, we have to

1200
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:02,439
Speaker 1: keep at it. And I know what drives fans nuts,

1201
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: but he thinks it hurts his relationship with his players.

1202
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 1: If he calls out specific players or groups, He's not

1203
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: going to do it, So just mentally prepare yourself for

1204
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:17,439
Speaker 1: that moving forward. Okay, well, both of you are looking

1205
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 1: at the Giants. Uh, you know, as a team, what

1206
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 1: do they need to do to correct the situations? Because

1207
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 1: I don't think the season is lost. I'll give you

1208
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 1: my corrections. They're not going to go anywhere. And you

1209
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 1: mentioned that they needed to correct the running game, but

1210
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 1: you can't run the ball if no one's creating any

1211
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 1: holes through that. Thank you, Scott. I'll give you my

1212
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 1: quick assessment or what this team can do better. I

1213
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 1: played in the league a long time. You know that

1214
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 1: I've been around good teams. I've been around bad teams.

1215
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 1: I've been around horrible players, good players, you name it.

1216
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: The bottom line is this. The coaches have to coach better.

1217
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 1: They got to put up a game plan. But bottom

1218
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 1: line is the players have to execute the plan and

1219
00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 1: they have to play better. Okay, the coaches only do

1220
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 1: so much. They really can. I mean, yeah, we'll get

1221
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:04,919
Speaker 1: on them if you call a run on third down

1222
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 1: and long and whatever it is. But the prottom line

1223
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 1: is that players have to play better, and that includes

1224
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 1: the quarterback, includes the running back. The line that do

1225
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 1: you name it? Okay, I mean, I'm not letting the

1226
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 1: coaching staff off the hook. I'm just telling you that

1227
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 1: it's a It comes down to players playing better and

1228
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 1: you've gotta have players on your roster to compete the

1229
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 1: play better to win football games. Period. That's it. It's

1230
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 1: very simple to me. There, go and we'll have six

1231
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 1: more days until we can see if the Giants can

1232
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 1: do it again when they host the Carolina Panthers. It's

1233
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 1: Sunday in one, of course, cover that game will be

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00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,000
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