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Speaker 1: So there's so many fearies with technology these days, with AI,

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Speaker 1: where it's going, how it's affecting us, is it making

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Speaker 1: about it at some level, and me included, we're going

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Speaker 1: to unpack this today. We got a guy named hal

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Speaker 1: Elrod a friend of mine. He wrote this really good

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Speaker 1: book called The Miracle Morning, which is going to give

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Speaker 1: world that we're living in. But what I want to

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Speaker 1: talk about is also a book that came out a

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Speaker 1: long time ago that I believe predicted all of this.

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Speaker 1: And it's not George Orwell's nineteen eighty four It in fact,

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Speaker 1: it came out after that, in nineteen eighty five, and

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Speaker 1: it predicted you could say, TikTok in itself, or at

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Speaker 1: least the world that we live on, the TikTok world

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Speaker 1: that we live in. So, Hank Tight, it's going to

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Speaker 1: be a really good discussion.

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Speaker 2: Here's the podcasting.

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Speaker 1: It's funny because you came in here and you were like,

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Speaker 1: how long will you banter before you introduce me? And

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Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. We're just gonna start with hal El

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Speaker 1: rid Is here. Yeah, and yeah, it's crazy to say this,

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Speaker 1: but this is actually the first time we have met

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Speaker 2: I know, I know. It's where were You've known someone

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I certainly feel like I think I would say,

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Speaker 1: I feel like I know you more than you know

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Speaker 1: me because I was introduced to you in twenty seventeen

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Speaker 1: with The Miracle Morning, the book that I'm holding right here,

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Speaker 1: this yellow book that has been on every bookshelf I've

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Speaker 1: It came from my youngest brother, Parker. He found The

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Speaker 1: Miracle Morning, first introduced it to Tyler and I.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 1: We read it and I still have my Miracle Morning

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Is The contents of it have certainly evolved, but that's

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Speaker 1: not the point. The point is there is a structured

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Speaker 1: There are times when I will do this in a

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Speaker 1: Miracle Mornings. There have been times when I've done it

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Speaker 2: And well, when I room with friends, like if we've

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Speaker 2: But I've been in the Miracle Morning for thirteen years,

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Speaker 1: That is a strange connection that you and I have

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Speaker 2: You might be one of the first people that I've

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Miracle Morning.

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Speaker 2: It's a morning ritual made of six practices that are

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Speaker 2: reading and describing, and any one of those practices done

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Speaker 1: So I think, here you go, Yeah, what what the

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Dietrich Bonhoeffer. Do you know Dietrich Bonheffer by chance,

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Speaker 2: raise your hand. If you have something in your life

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00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:15,480
Speaker 2: in the past or it's going on right now that

435
00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:17,760
Speaker 2: causes you emotional pain, the thought of it, the memory

436
00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:19,960
Speaker 2: of it. You wish it didn't happen, it wasn't fair,

437
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,040
Speaker 2: and you've spent your whole life the thought of that

438
00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,560
Speaker 2: just causes you, uh, mental anguish. And every hand goes

439
00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:27,919
Speaker 2: up and I go, yeah, what's your wheelchair? What's the

440
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:31,000
Speaker 2: experience that you realize you can actually choose to accept

441
00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,880
Speaker 2: it doesn't mean it was fair, doesn't mean it was right,

442
00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,240
Speaker 2: doesn't mean it was easy, doesn't mean it wasn't you know,

443
00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,480
Speaker 2: a horrible thing that happen to you, but it's not

444
00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:41,720
Speaker 2: happening anymore, and you can't go back in time and

445
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,400
Speaker 2: change it. So the only intelligent choice that we all

446
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,160
Speaker 2: have is to accept our reality exactly as it is

447
00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,760
Speaker 2: and move forward. And I don't think it's a coincidence

448
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 2: that not being in fear of right, which fear causes

449
00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 2: stress in our body. So I wasn't in fear. It

450
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,159
Speaker 2: was like, I'm at peace with whatever the outcome is,

451
00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 2: walk again, perfect, don't walk again, okay, right, like whatever, whatever,

452
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,320
Speaker 2: I'm at peace, and I have unwavering faith that I

453
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,800
Speaker 2: will walk again. So I'm visualizing walking every day. I

454
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 2: am praying to God that if it is his will,

455
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 2: I will walk again in the future like and God.

456
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:16,920
Speaker 2: If not, I'm totally at peace. Maybe I'm supposed to

457
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 2: give speeches from a wheelchair and that's part of my

458
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 2: I don't know, right, but I don't think it's a coincidence.

459
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:23,479
Speaker 2: The last thing I'll say is the doctors came in

460
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,920
Speaker 2: with routine X rays and they said, we don't know

461
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:27,760
Speaker 2: how to explain this was a week after that conversation

462
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:29,760
Speaker 2: with my dad. They said, we don't explain this how.

463
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:31,919
Speaker 2: But your body's healed so quickly. You're going to take

464
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,359
Speaker 2: your first step today in therapy if you're ready. And

465
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 2: I was like, whoa, I wasn't thinking that soon, like

466
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,119
Speaker 2: a year maybe, And I took my first step that

467
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 2: day and the rest, you know, it's kind of history.

468
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Speaker 1: It's incredible, man, Thank you that that story is in.

469
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 1: It's in the book. Can you imagine me kind of

470
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 1: going through this? And my life was pretty put together

471
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:58,719
Speaker 1: reading American Morning, having my own American Morning, And then

472
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 1: I lost my son Yea in June of twenty nineteen

473
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 1: and kind of faced the same kind of the same

474
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:10,399
Speaker 1: scenario after that, in the aftermath of well, this is

475
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 1: reality now, yeah, I can't change it. What will I do?

476
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 3: Yeah?

477
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 1: And it you could think hearing your story and then

478
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 1: here you are, happily ever after. That's amazing. You know,

479
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 1: you know the Lord gave you this wake up call

480
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 1: and that, but that's not what happened. Then another near

481
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 1: death experience happened to you.

482
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, man, And when this one happened. I was like, God,

483
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 2: what am I come on? Like? What am I supposed

484
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,920
Speaker 2: to which is a good question. Exactly Well, And that's

485
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 2: a great point, is I always say you should always

486
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 2: ask why me? But not from a victim mentality of

487
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,879
Speaker 2: oh poor me, why me? But why me? God? What

488
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 2: am I supposed to do with this?

489
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Speaker 3: Right?

490
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 2: Different frame, same question? But yeah, So, thirty seven years old,

491
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 2: I woke up struggling to breathe one night and spent

492
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 2: the next eleven days in and out of the hospital

493
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,919
Speaker 2: every other day, having about a leader to two leaders

494
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 2: of fluid drained from my lung and they couldn't figure

495
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 2: out why. And I was finally diagnosed with a very rare,

496
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 2: aggressive form of cancer. It's called a cute lymphoblastic leukemia.

497
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 2: And when I was diagnosed, it was like my organs

498
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 2: were shutting down, so my lung was filling with fluid,

499
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 2: my heart was failing, my kidneys were failing, and I

500
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:26,639
Speaker 2: was told that I needed to start chemo immediately, chemotherapy immediately.

501
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 2: I'm at M. D. Anderson Hospital at this point, three

502
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 2: hours away from home, with my wife sitting next to me,

503
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 2: talking to the oncologist and he's telling me what I've got,

504
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 2: and you know, I said, well, let me do a

505
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 2: little bit of research. I'm not going to just start

506
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 2: this chemo regiment right away. I want to see what

507
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 2: I can do naturally. And I reached out to some

508
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 2: of the best holistic oncologists in the country and they said, hell,

509
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,479
Speaker 2: there's nothing that anybody naturally like, there's nothing we can

510
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,640
Speaker 2: do for you at this stage. You need to start

511
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 2: chemo immediately. And I decided, Okay, if the best holistic

512
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 2: on just in the country, like, I'm not going to

513
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 2: go rogue if they don't think that they can help

514
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 2: me because I'm too far along and there's nothing like

515
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 2: I need some fast acting, you know treatment. I said,

516
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 2: I am going to do everything in my power. I'm

517
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 2: going to take number one, take ownership for my health.

518
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 2: I'm not giving it to the doctor. This is on me.

519
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 2: I am. I'm I'm one hundred percent in charge. The

520
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 2: doctor is a team member, and I'm going to maintain

521
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 2: faith that he will do his best. However, I had

522
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 2: asked him, like, what part does diet play, and mynn

523
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:26,439
Speaker 2: COLLG just goes, does it matter as long as you

524
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 2: do chemo. I'm like, all right, So I can't trust

525
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 2: you other than we just took this conversation.

526
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 1: Yeah really yeah, well you can't trust a doctor that

527
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 1: says that.

528
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's interesally.

529
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 3: I had that.

530
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 2: It's funny on the way here. I had a conversation

531
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 2: my friend who's doctor told them the same thing. Who's

532
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 2: dealing with some sort of kidney the thing. Yeah wow,

533
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 2: But anyway, so yeah, so I'm like, oh, I can't

534
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 2: trust you in terms of and not that I don't

535
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 2: trust your your heart or your intentions. I trust your

536
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,679
Speaker 2: education correct what you have been taught through your traditional

537
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,919
Speaker 2: treatm right is not. And so I decided, Okay, I

538
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 2: guess I have to do chemo and to be fair

539
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 2: or not to be fair. But like my chemo, this

540
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:03,479
Speaker 2: chemotherapy regimen, it was eight hundred hours of chemo. It

541
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 2: wasn't one hour a week. It was one hundred consecutive

542
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 2: hours over the course of five days, twenty four hours

543
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 2: a day. It was It's one of the most aggressive

544
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 2: chemo therapy regiments, and the survival rate for the cancer

545
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 2: is thirty percent, largely because the survival rate for the

546
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,400
Speaker 2: chemo is so it's like either your organ shut down

547
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 2: and you die, or you do eight hundred hours of

548
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 2: chemo and you die. So it's like having to face this.

549
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 2: And I had a four year old son and a

550
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 2: seven year old daughter, so it's like I'm being told

551
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 2: there's this thirty percent chance I'm going to be a

552
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 2: dad in the future, I'm gonna be alive, a seventy

553
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 2: percent chance I'm going to die. And the day that

554
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:42,439
Speaker 2: I was diagnosed, my wife was really naturally scared and

555
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 2: a I apply the five minute rule, I'm like, Okay,

556
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 2: I have cancer. Can't change it, not going to dwell

557
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 2: on it, not going to live in this state of

558
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 2: fear and anguish. And it's like, okay, I have cancer,

559
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 2: how can I I'm going to be as positive and

560
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,679
Speaker 2: accepting and peaceful and proactive as I can be at

561
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 2: number one. So that's like the immediate for me, the

562
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 2: five minute rule, Like let's go okay. And then there's

563
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 2: this thing I call the Miracle equation. Have you read that,

564
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 2: by the way, So it became it wasn't a book

565
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 2: similar to The Miracle Morning, it was my own thing.

566
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 2: So when I was in sales, I was trying to

567
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 2: break these all time records and I'm like, how am

568
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 2: I going to do what's never been done before? And

569
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 2: I came up with these two decisions that I now

570
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 2: call the miracle equation, and it worked and most of

571
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 2: the things I achieved were with that formula. The day

572
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 2: that I was diagnosed with cancer, I was like, oh,

573
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 2: the miracle So first five minute rule, I'm like, got it. Okay,

574
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 2: I'm at peace. Let's go. Now how am I going

575
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 2: to beat it?

576
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:29,479
Speaker 3: Right?

577
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 2: I like, okay, now I'm at peace with it. But

578
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 2: how am I going to be alive for my kids?

579
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, the miracle equation. And I

580
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 2: told my wife and soon I started thinking about this.

581
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,360
Speaker 2: So like, the miracle equation has worked every time I've

582
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 2: used it, And it's an explanation, very simple. It's two decisions.

583
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 2: I will maintain unwavering faith no matter what the results

584
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 2: are along the way until the last possible moment. So

585
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 2: when you're working towards any outcome, beating cancer, writing a book,

586
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 2: you know, becoming, achieving a dream, whatever, it's like, I

587
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 2: will maintain unwavering faith even though I'm going to be

588
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 2: discouraged along the way. I'm going to fail along the way,

589
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 2: I'm going to fall along the way, and normally people's

590
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 2: faith waivers when they encounter those obstacles. So it's the

591
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,239
Speaker 2: decision like, my faith might waiver, but I'm gonna keep

592
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 2: you No, I'm committed. It's unwavering faith no matter what.

593
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 2: The second decision is extraordinary effort, meaning even if I

594
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 2: don't feel like it, I'm going to do the thing

595
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,439
Speaker 2: I need to do to generate the outcome that I'm

596
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 2: maintaining unwavering faith towards. So those two decisions over and

597
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 2: over and over, and so I was like, that's it.

598
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 2: I'm going to maintain unwavering faith that I'm going to

599
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 2: beat cancer no matter what. There's no other option, and

600
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,360
Speaker 2: I'm going to put forth extraordinary effort, meaning I'm going

601
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 2: to relentlessly research and implement every holistic practice known demand

602
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 2: anything any other human being has done to beat cancer. Naturally,

603
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 2: I'm going to do that in conjunction with the chemo.

604
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,239
Speaker 2: And so I told my wife, I said, sweetheart, I

605
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 2: know you're really fixated on this thirty percent survival rate.

606
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 2: That data point is terrifying you, and I get it.

607
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 2: That's scary, I said, but I want you to realize

608
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 2: that's a global statistic forever human being, including those that

609
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 2: live in fear, those that eat terrible diets, those that

610
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 2: have no faith, those that have no self discipline. I'm

611
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 2: none of those things, I said. So here's my statistic

612
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 2: that I believe is true for me. There's a one

613
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 2: hundred percent chance that I will be among the thirty

614
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 2: percent of the people that survived this cancer because I

615
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 2: will do everything that they did and ten times more.

616
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 2: And that was my true belief, and so I operated.

617
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 2: That became my reality, and I wrote affirmations to remind

618
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 2: me of it, because there were times during chemo that

619
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 2: I was I was like on dust doorway, I was

620
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 2: in pain, I was sick, I felt terrible. Fear would

621
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 2: creep in and I would be like, I'd read these

622
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 2: affirmations that were on my bedside. Nope, I am committed

623
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 2: to beating cancer and living to be one hundred years

624
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 2: old alongside Erslaine the kids. No matter what, there is

625
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 2: no other option. That was my affirmation. I read it

626
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 2: over and over and over until it literally my entire

627
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 2: consciousness became that reality.

628
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: If you're trying to get a gift for someone that

629
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: you think has everything, how about a special video message

630
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: from me. It's easy to do. Go to cameo dot

631
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,719
Speaker 1: com slash Granger Smith and you put in the prompt

632
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: what you want me to say. I get that message

633
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: on my phone. I'll say happy birthday, happy anniversary, whatever

634
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: personalized message you want me to say to whoever you

635
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: want me to.

636
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 2: Say it to.

637
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: I send it to you and you give it to them.

638
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,719
Speaker 1: It's pretty cool. Go to cameo dot com slash Granger

639
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: Smith and so now you enjoy life. You look at

640
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: TikTok all day long, roll do you lay on the couch.

641
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 2: And thirty second snippets. Man, that's the answer.

642
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 1: All disciplines went out the one amazing. Yeah, just to

643
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: enjoy life like you do, and you know, just be entertained.

644
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: You watch Netflix like relentlessly. This is who you are.

645
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: You know, that's amazing.

646
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 2: That's what you had me on. Dude. I'm the example

647
00:30:58,600 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 2: of what not to do.

648
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Speaker 1: Let's go to two near death experiences I did.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I am cancer freed. I guess I

650
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Speaker 2: should have ended that story with what how how it

651
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Speaker 2: turned out?

652
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Speaker 3: So it worked?

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Speaker 1: How your story is unbelievable. I've got an affirm as

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Speaker 1: you were saying talking about affirmations, I've got one when

655
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Speaker 1: I sometimes when I'm talking to guys that are just overrun,

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Speaker 1: they believe in the Lord. They trust the Lord. That

657
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Speaker 1: they're overrun with anxiety and fear, fear of the world,

658
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Speaker 1: which in itself I'm underlening as i'm talking, which in

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Speaker 1: itself is a sin because anxiety or fear or depression

660
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Speaker 1: is always an overflow of a near not trusting the

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Speaker 1: Lord totally. God took people out of Egypt and in

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Speaker 1: going into the Promised Land, and and they sent spies

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Speaker 1: into the Promised Land to look, and they come back

664
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Speaker 1: and they go, ah, it's scary, like there's giants in there.

665
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Speaker 1: Then they're really hard people. I don't think if we

666
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Speaker 1: went to take this land, I think they would defeat us.

667
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Speaker 1: And the Lord said, I told you this was your land.

668
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Speaker 1: I took you out of Egypt, a part of the seas.

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Speaker 1: I took you out, and I told you you're going

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Speaker 1: to go in here. And now you're saying you're scared.

671
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Speaker 1: So because of that, you're going to wander around for

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Speaker 1: forty years in the desert, and this entire generation will

673
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Speaker 1: not get to go. So we miss a blessing. It

674
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Speaker 1: doesn't mean that we're not God's people. But it does

675
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Speaker 1: mean that sometimes we miss a blessing from the Lord

676
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Speaker 1: because we're not trusting. Yeah, and so sometimes I take

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Speaker 1: people to this and this is a perfect reformation that

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Speaker 1: you're saying, Isaiah forty three. If you could read this

679
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Speaker 1: and trust the one that says it, who in the world.

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Speaker 3: Would you fear?

681
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Speaker 2: What would you worry about?

682
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Speaker 1: Cancer? No, a car accident, no, losing a child. No,

683
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Speaker 1: you wouldn't, because he says, fear not. I have redeemed you.

684
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Speaker 1: I have called you by name your mind. When you

685
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Speaker 1: pass through the waters, I will be with you, and

686
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Speaker 1: through the rivers they shall not overwhelm you. And when

687
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Speaker 1: you walk through fire, you shall not be burned, and

688
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Speaker 1: the flame shall not consume you. For I am the Lord,

689
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Speaker 1: your God, your savior. Because this whole chapter starts out

690
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Speaker 1: thus says the Lord who created you, who formed you.

691
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Speaker 1: If if this sovereign God formed you and created you

692
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Speaker 1: and has you in the palm of his hand, then

693
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Speaker 1: our fear is always just a result of not trusting that.

694
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fear of faith, right, it's fear of faith. Yeah,

695
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 2: that's exactly right.

696
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Speaker 1: So in light of that, the fact that you don't

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Speaker 1: sit around and watch TikTok and get overwhelmed by and

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Speaker 1: self indulging entertainment on digital devices. Because you actually speak

699
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Speaker 1: wildly against this this type thing, not to say that

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Speaker 1: you don't enjoy some moderation.

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Speaker 2: Moderation, moderation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, So this is an interesting discussion I had

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Speaker 1: with a friend recently that we were talking, actually talking

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Speaker 1: about The Chosen, and I don't want to I'm not

705
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Speaker 1: making an argument here. Maybe another episode Have the Chosen,

706
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:26,320
Speaker 1: you know, the the TV show The Chosen actually hurts

707
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Speaker 1: our theology to some extent because the Word of God

708
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: was always meant to be spoken and heard or read.

709
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: It was always the word, and the word transforms, and

710
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 1: when we start supplementing with visual it starts to change

711
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Speaker 1: the way that we consume it. So we're this, this

712
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Speaker 1: is the conversation we're having. And he said, have you

713
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Speaker 1: read the book Amusing Ourselves to Death by Neil Postman?

714
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Speaker 1: And I was like, never heard of it. He said,

715
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Speaker 1: check this out. Came on the eighties. I was like, okay,

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Speaker 1: I get the book. This is only a few days ago,

717
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Speaker 1: like not planning on this being part of you coming over.

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Speaker 2: Got it?

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Speaker 1: So I open it up. Written in nineteen eighty five.

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Speaker 1: It's a response his thesis automatically first page is a

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Speaker 1: response to Orwell's nineteen eighty four. You remember this, yeah,

722
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Speaker 1: and so he's saying, it's nineteen eighty five. Now this

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Speaker 1: is what we could this is what we could know

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Speaker 1: from Orwell's nineteen eighty four.

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Speaker 2: Interesting.

726
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Speaker 1: A lot of the fears that he was predicting in

727
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Speaker 1: four nineteen eighty four didn't happen. But he argues, there

728
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Speaker 1: is a book by Huxley called Brave New World, less popular,

729
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Speaker 1: but maybe you've cleared it.

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Speaker 2: I have not read it yet, but I think I

731
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Speaker 2: own it. Yeah, Okay, if that means something, so here

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Speaker 2: we go. Okay, go.

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Speaker 1: Keep in mind, written before the Internet, before smartphones, social media,

734
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Speaker 1: but uncanningly prophetic.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

736
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Speaker 1: Here's how he starts out. This is in his forward,

737
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Speaker 1: Orwell warns that we will be overcome by an externally

738
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Speaker 1: imposed oppression. But in Huxley's vision, no big brothers required

739
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Speaker 1: to deprive people of their autonomy, maturity, and history. As

740
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Speaker 1: he saw it, people will come to love their oppression,

741
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Speaker 1: to adore their technologies that undo their capacities to think. Wow,

742
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Speaker 1: let's stop right there and just consider the podcast you

743
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Speaker 1: just put out of a technology, and this is thirty

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Speaker 1: years much longer before this, Okay. What or Well feared

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Speaker 1: would be that those that people would ban books. What

746
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Speaker 1: Huxley feared would be there would no reason to ban

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Speaker 1: a book, because there would be no one that wanted

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Speaker 1: to read one. Or Well feared that those who would

749
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Speaker 1: deprive us of information. Huxley feared those who would give

750
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Speaker 1: us so much that we would be reduced to passivity

751
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Speaker 1: and egoism. Wow or Well feared that the truth would

752
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Speaker 1: be concealed from us. Huxley feared the truth would be

753
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Speaker 1: drowned in a sea of irrelevance. Or Well feared we

754
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Speaker 1: would become the captive culture. Huxley feared that we would

755
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Speaker 1: become a trivial culture, preoccupied with some equivalent of the

756
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: feelies or orgy porgies. As Huxley remarked and Brave New

757
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Speaker 1: World revisited, the civil libertarians and rationalists who were ever

758
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Speaker 1: on the alert to oppose tyranny failed to take into

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Speaker 1: account man's almost infinite appetite for distractions, and nineteen eighty four,

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Speaker 1: Huxley added, people are controlled by inflicting pain, and Brave

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Speaker 1: New World, they are controlled by inflicting pleasure. In short,

762
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Speaker 1: or Well feared that what we hate will ruin us.

763
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Speaker 1: Huxley feared that what we love will ruin us. Wow,

764
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Speaker 1: that's crazy, I'm profound and it's so true teen eighty

765
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Speaker 1: five he wrote this, that's wild.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so true. The and I need to read that,

767
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Speaker 2: by the way, so Brave New World. I think we

768
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Speaker 2: have that book. But interesting, but I had never heard

769
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Speaker 2: of it, the like the dichotomy between the two perspectives. Yeah,

770
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Speaker 2: and I did. I will tell you. I'm a member

771
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Speaker 2: of this author Mastermind and they we have a little

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Speaker 2: WhatsApp group that we are communicating author stuff all the time,

773
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Speaker 2: and they just put a statistic of reading for pleasure

774
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Speaker 2: is down something like forty percent. You think about that, right,

775
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Speaker 2: because it's like, well, why would I read for pleasure

776
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Speaker 2: when I've got all these games on my phone and

777
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Speaker 2: I've got right the you know, YouTube and TikTok and

778
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Speaker 2: all that like you that include audiobooks.

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Speaker 3: I don't know listening for pleasure.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. That's an interesting because.

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Speaker 3: There is a big difference between listening and I wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: Count that because like oral transferral has has it outdates books,

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Speaker 1: so it predates books. So listening to an audiobook, as

784
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Speaker 1: long as you're not being distracted by the device that

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Speaker 1: it's playing from, I think is excluded from this conversation

786
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Speaker 1: because listening and absorbing in that way is is always

787
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Speaker 1: been a thing sure right the he he makes an

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Speaker 1: argument that print culture, books, sermons, debates, newspapers always encourage

789
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Speaker 1: irrational argument like a sustained thought. He makes mentioned that

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Speaker 1: it was Lincoln and who was fred who was doing?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

792
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 2: Douglas.

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Speaker 1: Lincoln was debating Douglas and the presidential debates, and they

794
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: would travel with these debates and it would be the

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Speaker 1: main event at the county fair. So people would go

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Speaker 1: to the county fair and the main attraction was to

797
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Speaker 1: sit watch the presidential debate for six hours. Take a break,

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Speaker 1: go get some popcorn, and use the restroom, come back

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Speaker 1: and continue.

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Speaker 2: There were six hours long.

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Speaker 1: And they would just follow every argument of the debate

802
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Speaker 1: and just fall just track. And it was never about

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Speaker 1: the way the president looked the way. It was never

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Speaker 1: about his appearance or how old or young he was,

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Speaker 1: or his ethnicity, or it was about his ideas. What

806
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Speaker 1: does he have to say?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: And who you are opposite. The ideas don't really matter

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Speaker 1: these days.

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Speaker 2: Now it's sound bites, sound bite right. Actually I heard

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Speaker 2: I was at that same author Mastermind, and Don Miller

812
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Speaker 2: was speaking. He founder of story Brand, and he in

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Speaker 2: presidential candidates hire him to work on their campaigns because

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Speaker 2: he's all about crafting story. And he talked about how

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Speaker 2: the uh he was using Trump as an example. He's like,

816
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Speaker 2: how did Trump win? Sound bites? Not not deep content?

817
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Speaker 2: It was what was his his immigration policy?

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Speaker 3: Bill?

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Speaker 2: Oh wall right, And he was like, you know where

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Speaker 2: he's like, and he's like, Jeb Bush wrote a whole

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Speaker 2: book on immigration, but he's like, but Trump had the

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Speaker 2: memorable SoundBite. So yeah, so it's interesting. So the point

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Speaker 2: being like, it's appealing to today's distracted, low attention span,

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Speaker 2: non deep thinking culture, which is you know, which is

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Speaker 2: too bad?

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Speaker 1: It is. I when I put out my book, I

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Speaker 1: so many people. I don't know if this I don't

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Speaker 1: know if my audience would say the same thing as yours,

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Speaker 1: but so many people said, your book's at first one

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Speaker 1: I read since high school.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you get that.

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Speaker 1: Wow? And I'm like, thanks, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, hopefully it's the first of many. That's

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Speaker 2: how I want your.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but if we become a culture that doesn't

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Speaker 1: read a book. And by the way, Miracle Morning what

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Speaker 1: a great first book to read if you haven't read

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Speaker 1: one since high school. This, yeah, this has been a great,

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Speaker 1: a great thing because it sets you up for.

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Speaker 2: I mean, reading is one of the aspects of the

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Speaker 2: Miracle Morning. So you start in the Mirork Morning, and then

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Speaker 2: all right, what's the next book after this one?

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Speaker 1: It is so Miracle Morning is a great book to

844
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Speaker 1: get you on the track.

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Speaker 3: But we we're.

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Speaker 1: In trouble in the society. If we if we can't

847
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Speaker 1: sustain our concentration, if we are constantly distracted, then I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know how long we could sustain

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00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: organization in our societies. I don't know before we just

850
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:13,879
Speaker 1: burst into chaos. So how what are considering the podcast?

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00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: How is AI and technology making us dumber? You had

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00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 1: two points in there, or to two broad topics that

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00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 1: everything came off of, but but one of them was

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Speaker 1: is it replacing God for us? And so kind of

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Speaker 1: going back to the beginning of our conversation with like

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Speaker 1: Bonhoeffer listening and don't speak a word to I wonder

857
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Speaker 1: how many people wake up and immediately take their phone

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Speaker 1: off the nightstand and start scrolling yep to see if

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Speaker 1: there's a common or a like or a new, a new.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure there are studies for that, but it's I

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Speaker 2: think it's a lot, you know, a large majority of people.

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Speaker 2: And what that does is it puts you in It

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Speaker 2: puts you in a state of reactivity. So immediately you

864
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Speaker 2: are stimulating a nervous system. In this you're in a

865
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 2: reactive mode. You're reacting to the notifications, You're reacting to

866
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 2: all of these incoming messages. In terms of replacing God,

867
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:07,879
Speaker 2: the God is experienced in silence, right, You don't hear

868
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 2: the message of God typically when you're when you're over

869
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 2: stimulated and you're listening, right, It's it's in moments of peaceful,

870
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 2: purposeful silence, which is why Jesus would go meditate for

871
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 2: you know, hours a day and connect with God. And

872
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 2: so when we grab our phone, even if we're not

873
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 2: listening to something like we think of silence typically as

874
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 2: auditory silence, but there's visual silence. It's like if you

875
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 2: are stimulating your brain, you're immediately missing out on that

876
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 2: ability to receive divine downloads, divine guidance if you will. Yeah.

877
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 2: And then the other way that the technology is replacing

878
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 2: God is like is specifically with chat GPT. You think

879
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,720
Speaker 2: about it, imagine before technology existed, or even before Google.

880
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 2: Google started replacing God before Google existed, go back to

881
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 2: before the internet existed. Well, when you when you wanted

882
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 2: when you wanted help with anything, when you wanted an answer,

883
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 2: where did you go? You either went to another human being,

884
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,919
Speaker 2: which is a child of God, an extension of God.

885
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 2: Often the word spoken from that human might be the

886
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 2: God delivering that message through them to you. Right, So

887
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 2: you're getting the message from God through someone in your life,

888
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 2: or you're going direct to the source and you're in

889
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 2: a state of prayer and or meditation and you're receiving

890
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 2: those inspired thoughts from God. But now, when you want

891
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 2: to know something, what should I do? Oh? Click, Oh cool,

892
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 2: that's what I should do. There it used to be

893
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 2: there's a thousand articles. Now it's Oh, there's an exact

894
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 2: word for word message from an entity that I asked

895
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 2: a question to, in that entity being chat GPT, and

896
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 2: AI I think is replacing God's God.

897
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, So do you think sometimes want to hear you

898
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: talk about this? Do you think that this is like

899
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: smoker's lungs that when you stop smoking, your lungs regenerate.

900
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 1: Would could your brain do that and be good as new?

901
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 2: I would think so. And again this is not an

902
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 2: exter I'm not an expert in m terms of neuroscience

903
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 2: around this, but just common sense. Why is like anything

904
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 2: that if you don't use something at atrophies. That was

905
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 2: kind of my other point of the whole is AI

906
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 2: and technology making is dumber. It's like who remembers phone

907
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 2: numbers anymore? You don't because you don't have to. You

908
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 2: learn your phone?

909
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 3: Right?

910
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 2: Who remembers how to get Like? Like if I don't

911
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 2: have a GPS, I'm like, how do I i? I

912
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 2: GPS to places that I go every week?

913
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 3: Like?

914
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 2: Oh, I was like why use GPS? And I'm like

915
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 2: it's just automatic, and I'm like I want to, I

916
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 2: don't know, make sure I don't make a wrong turn

917
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 2: or whatever. But things we don't use atrophy And so

918
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 2: with Chad GPT or Gemini or any you know, uh

919
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 2: language learned, large language model, any tech like that. With AI, uh,

920
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 2: we're not using We're not using our cognitive abilities anymore.

921
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 2: We're not using our critical thinking and the longer it

922
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 2: goes without that. And MIT just came out with that study.

923
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 2: It was right after I did that podcast episode that

924
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 2: MIT came out with a study on how it is

925
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 2: actually you know, they measured x amount of people and

926
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 2: how it is affecting their ability to think, to reac

927
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 2: called information, to remember information, to process information. So now

928
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 2: there are you know, I t is studying this thesis

929
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 2: that I put out there, which is like common sense

930
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 2: would say, AI is making a dumber because we're not

931
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 2: using our brain.

932
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, it would be common sense. You have been

933
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 1: convicted even on your own digital calendar. Yeah, where are

934
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 1: you landed with that today?

935
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean I still use it. It was the idea

936
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 2: though that I don't remember what I'm doing the next

937
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,399
Speaker 2: day because I'm so relying on my calendar. So I'm

938
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 2: still consciously incompetent in that regard of.

939
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get.

940
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: It's like and I'm just as guilty. In that Postman Book,

941
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: I wish I had it in front of me. I

942
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: don't have it in front of me. I've got the

943
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: Miracle Morning in the Bible. But the Postman Book. He

944
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: makes an interesting argument too, that a big shift happened

945
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,320
Speaker 1: when the clock was invented. I think it was like

946
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 1: the twelfth century. Okay, the mechanical clock was invented, and

947
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 1: we quickly became people that lived moment by moment according

948
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: to a clock instead of moment by moment according to

949
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: the moment.

950
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, like if you, if you, if.

951
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: I had you, you live in Dripping Springs and I

952
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 1: live way north of your hour and a half.

953
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 2: It took you about an hour and a half to

954
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 2: drive here.

955
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: But but you told me when you're going to be here,

956
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 1: because you knew, and so I knew that you're going

957
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,280
Speaker 1: to be here according to the clocks that we both share.

958
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 1: And now it's not even about our watches are winding

959
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 1: a clock. We are all sequenced to the clock that

960
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: hits all of our phones to the minute. Yeah, that's

961
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: how long has that been going on? Ten years? No

962
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: more than the older.

963
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 4: The synchronization, the organization of time hasn't been in the

964
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 4: last twenty five years. So because we and the reason

965
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 4: I know is in radio, we had to for a contest,

966
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 4: a big contest for multiple stations. We all had to

967
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 4: be on the exact same time. So every station brought

968
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 4: in an atomic clock oh wow, and they SYNCD up

969
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 4: to a satellite. This is before iPhones, Yeah, and before

970
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 4: they were all all doing it, and they all and

971
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 4: so you had to run the contest. You had a

972
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 4: three second window that you could miss, and you had

973
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 4: to run it at the exact same time everywhere. And

974
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 4: once we did that, we were all on the same time.

975
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 4: And I remember when that happened and where it was,

976
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 4: and that was about.

977
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 3: Twenty five years ago.

978
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean shortly after that, all of our phones changed,

979
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 4: the numbers changed at the exact same time.

980
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: And we didn't really we weren't conscious of that change

981
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 1: in our life. It just happened, Like how wouldn't have

982
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: gotten here seven minutes late without telling me? And then

983
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 1: and then say my watch is sorry, my watch is

984
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: four minutes slow, And I go, oh, yeah, I'm three

985
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: minutes fast exactly. No worries like that doesn't happen, but

986
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: that crept up on us quick. So Postman's argument is

987
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: that everything changed with the mechanical clock, and we interesting

988
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 1: because otherwise you would say I'll come on Thursday to

989
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 1: be on your podcast, and I'll get there when I

990
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: get there, Yeah, come in the morning. Maybe maybe morning

991
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: is if something yea, if my horse is well watered,

992
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 1: and and I would say absolutely.

993
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 2: I'm coming at sunrise, right, you know, like you.

994
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: Know, my wife will have a meal for you. You know,

995
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: we'll just we'll just put and and stay the night,

996
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,720
Speaker 1: you know. And and I don't know, and then maybe

997
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: you'll you'll head home. You know, it's at sunrise.

998
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 2: But I don't.

999
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: We have become it's we have become changed by even

1000
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: the technology of a mechanical classes.

1001
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 2: It's just me or do you long like we described that.

1002
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, how nice man, That's the way life

1003
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 2: is supposed to be, you know I do. Yeah. And

1004
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,720
Speaker 2: you know what, going back to the talking about God

1005
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 2: and technology, uh, and and that God is experienced and

1006
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 2: accessed in moments of silence, right, that's when we hear

1007
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 2: the whisper of God through our intuition or whatever you

1008
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 2: want to call it. You think about going to the

1009
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 2: bathroom now you used to the bathroom, and you might

1010
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 2: get a download, you might get a message from God,

1011
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 2: right that a hit like, oh I just had a

1012
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 2: really inspired thought or a reflection of something that happened

1013
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 2: in my spouse earlier that I'm actually gonna do now

1014
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 2: better because no, you don't have that. You have your

1015
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 2: phone in your hand and you don't. It's completely removed

1016
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,320
Speaker 2: that ability that that's not the ability. The ability is

1017
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 2: still there, right, but the opportunity to actually connect with

1018
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 2: our creator in the moments throughout the day while you're

1019
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 2: standing in line, what you're that smartphone has robbed us

1020
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 2: of so much.

1021
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: So are you are you still doing this? Are you

1022
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: still going to the bathroom without your phone?

1023
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 2: I go, I go through phases, I got are you

1024
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 2: right now I'm about Yeah, No, I've got the I've

1025
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 2: got the phone with me in the bathroom. But I'll

1026
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 2: do thirty day challenges. The irony, right, is all use

1027
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,839
Speaker 2: an app called uh, what's the app called?

1028
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 3: Uh?

1029
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 2: It's an app?

1030
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 3: Or you use technology to help technology?

1031
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 2: It's not use technology right right?

1032
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 4: What was the one that you had that you had

1033
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 4: to you had to tap brick Yeah, we had to lock.

1034
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,879
Speaker 3: It again for you to Yeah, it's technology to.

1035
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,399
Speaker 1: It locks all your apps that you don't want out

1036
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 1: and you tap in to activate it and you have

1037
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 1: to tap out. So like if I come up here

1038
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 1: to work and I'm bricked out, then you still have

1039
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: to physically go. It's under our refrigerator to the little

1040
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 1: plastic thing and I have to tap my phone and

1041
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 1: to unlock the apps that I the distraction apps that

1042
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 1: I might want. But yeah, it's crazy how we use

1043
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 1: technology just help us to mitigate technology, which is.

1044
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 2: Better than not using technology to not like meaning if

1045
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 2: you're just if you at least hey, I'm aware I

1046
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 2: have an issue. And if I'm using the tech to

1047
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 2: help me use the tech less, I think that's a

1048
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 2: you know, that's in that positive Well.

1049
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 4: I remembers having a conversation too with someone from Apple

1050
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 4: saying this, we're using using technology to help us not

1051
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:55,800
Speaker 4: use technology.

1052
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's blown away.

1053
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, postman urgent. I was trying to kind of

1054
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: come up with some kind of summary here, he or

1055
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 1: just churches and schools and governments, not the cave to entertainment.

1056
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,359
Speaker 1: The Texas just passed that new rule that no phone.

1057
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:12,919
Speaker 2: I'm so glad you said that. So yes, last night

1058
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 2: my wife and I went to my daughter who just

1059
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 2: turned sixteen, just went to her meet the Teacher night,

1060
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 2: and they want a couple of teachers were talking about

1061
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 2: how they passed this lawn Texas right where no phones

1062
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 2: not just in class, not in the halls, like you're

1063
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 2: not on your phone out anywhere on campus unless it's

1064
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 2: an emergency or right. I mean, but they talked about

1065
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 2: how amazing the teachers, how amazing it's been that the

1066
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 2: students a just the in class. They're not distracted looking

1067
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 2: on their phone right where the teacher. I was, hey,

1068
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 2: pay attention, right, Yeah, But in the hall, they said,

1069
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,240
Speaker 2: it's amazing. Everyone's heads are up as they walk to class,

1070
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 2: and they're looking at each other and they're saying hi.

1071
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 2: And then they said, and then in the in the

1072
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 2: lunch hall, the lunch room, whatever you call it, it's

1073
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 2: so much louder than it used to be. Everyone's talking

1074
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:03,439
Speaker 2: to each other. And I was like, I just got

1075
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 2: like warm and fuzzies. I was like, Oh, that's amazing.

1076
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,280
Speaker 2: I actually lean over to my wife. I go, I literally,

1077
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 2: I go, I'm so glad we live in Texas. She's

1078
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 2: like me too.

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Speaker 1: That report right there is unanimous. I've heard that same

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00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: from every person that's reported it. No one has said

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00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: any less than that. No one has been like, no difference,

1082
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 1: We're not a big deal at all. Everyone has been like, ah,

1083
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 1: the teachers are just raving about it. It's just a

1084
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: different environment because they don't have phones. What is that

1085
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 1: official rule for someone that's listening not from Texas. They

1086
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 1: it's it's no phones at all. I mean, you're it's

1087
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:43,320
Speaker 1: like expulsion if it's even seen even in the halls.

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00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: What do you know the exact rule or.

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00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 3: The past a teacher? Oh, I need to ask her.

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00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 1: It's like the phone has to be off and in

1091
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 1: your bag.

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00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1093
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 2: Now I will tell you that. I know there's a

1094
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,319
Speaker 2: way around it because my daughter did text me from

1095
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 2: the bathroom.

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00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 3: Yes, but.

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00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 2: You know, very minimal. I the only time you can

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00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 2: have your phone is for you know, a minute a

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00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 2: day at school while you're using the restroom.

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Speaker 4: She said that there were times you were allowed to

1101
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:14,879
Speaker 4: have them. Lunch you could have it, and so maybe

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00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 4: it's a little.

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00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 2: I guess you can't get a lunch, which I again

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00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 2: hearing the report on that that everybody's talking more love that,

1105
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 2: you know, love.

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00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 1: That you hear like an old Kinburns documentary on the

1107
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 1: Civil War and he'll read a letter from a soldier

1108
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:34,439
Speaker 1: and it just sounds like this just beautiful intellectual masterpiece

1109
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,879
Speaker 1: from this common soldier on the battlefield.

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Speaker 3: What is happening?

1111
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 1: What's happening to us, all this technology and all these advancements,

1112
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: and we're obviously not getting smarter as a as a species.

1113
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 2: Well, I had my our neighbor's son, he is seventeen,

1114
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:55,720
Speaker 2: I think, and he said that at the high school,

1115
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,720
Speaker 2: Dripping Springs High School, he said. One of his teachers

1116
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 2: finally just she got frustrated one day and she goes, look,

1117
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:03,359
Speaker 2: I know you guys are all using AI anyway, I'm

1118
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 2: not even gonna fight it anymore. Like you want to

1119
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 2: use AI, use it. He's like, so it's great. So

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Speaker 2: my report that was due I use AI to create it.

1121
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 2: I said, So did you learn anything? He said nothing.

1122
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 2: I just said I need to report on this. Here's

1123
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 2: the parameters and the rules. And I go, do you

1124
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:21,359
Speaker 2: understand how bad that is for you long term? Like

1125
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 2: I get you feel like you got away with something,

1126
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 2: but you really didn't. And and so that it's scary

1127
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 2: because like those that are born with this technology from

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00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 2: day one. Yeah, man, it's it's it's pretty wild.

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Speaker 1: So the world is trending to need miracle mourning more

1130
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 1: than ever, even more than was this twenty sixteen when

1131
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 1: you wrote this book.

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00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,800
Speaker 2: The original published in twenty twelve. Okay, so I actually

1133
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:49,399
Speaker 2: chose a pub date. I wouldn't forget it was twelve twelve, twelve, twelve,

1134
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 2: twenty twelve. But then the one you're holding on your desk,

1135
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 2: that's the updated and expanded edition. And I released that

1136
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 2: one twenty twenty three, So just copy twenty three.

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Speaker 1: Okay. The world is trending to need this more and

1138
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:09,439
Speaker 1: not less. I think people understanding the need to have

1139
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:15,280
Speaker 1: a systematic approach to these things, to a systematic approach

1140
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 1: to silence, and a systematic approach to reading something, listening

1141
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,800
Speaker 1: to a sustained argument at some point, describing or or

1142
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 1: journaling thoughts that you might have a systematic approach for

1143
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 1: me and and for many Christians and reading the Bible.

1144
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 1: I read a very structured plan that I've done for

1145
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 1: this is my sixth year, and I don't ever skip it.

1146
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 1: And I and it's always in the morning, during the

1147
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 1: miracle morning. So and exercise is part of this too.

1148
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 1: We should we should always include exercise. And then by

1149
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: the time the day starts, your miraical mornings finished, and

1150
00:56:55,000 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 1: the day starts, there's less weight because you have achieve

1151
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 1: You've achieved what your brain is hungry to achieve. Tell

1152
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 1: us about the app, the Miracle Morning app.

1153
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I was the Miracle Morning apps probably the

1154
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 2: most requested thing by the Miracle Morning community. And when

1155
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 2: I say a Miracle Morning community, I define that as

1156
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 2: a few things. We have a Facebook group with three

1157
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty thousand people from over one hundred countries.

1158
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 2: So that's that's actually called the Miracle Morning community. And

1159
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 2: it's crazy. It started with me and my mom and

1160
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 2: dad and my buddy John, like two of my friends

1161
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 2: named John. Like that's how it started. And I never

1162
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 2: you know, it just organically grew into these hundreds of

1163
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 2: thousands of people that read the book and then came

1164
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 2: to like connect with each other. And so the most

1165
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 2: requested thing in the last I mean, what's thirteen years

1166
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 2: since the original book came out is an app and

1167
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 2: it's and the common story is how when you're gonna

1168
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 2: create a Miracle Morning app. I use six apps for

1169
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 2: my Miracle Morning. I have a journaling app, a reading app,

1170
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 2: a meditation app, I got a you know, I got

1171
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 2: a habit tracking like. I got all these apps and

1172
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 2: so for me, it was I'd get quotes from app

1173
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 2: like companies like what would it cost to create an

1174
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 2: app that replaces all six of the adapps. They're like

1175
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 2: two hundred thousand dollars. I'm like, I don't have two

1176
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 2: hundred thousand. I don't know anything about apps, and so

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00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 2: I'd always say no. And then a friend of mine,

1178
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 2: Josh Eidenberg, we friends for a long time. He finally

1179
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 2: was like, Hey, hell, the community wants an app, Let's

1180
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 2: give it to him. And so we started basically just

1181
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 2: convinced to me, be like, hey, we don't need to

1182
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:23,919
Speaker 2: do the Dream app. Let's just start with a ten

1183
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 2: like or he goes, how much could you afford to

1184
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 2: start with? And so we started with a really basic

1185
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 2: app and then and we sold it for like five bucks,

1186
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 2: and then we sold fifteen thousand of them to the community,

1187
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 2: and then we reinvested one hundred percent of the profits

1188
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 2: to make the Dream app. So that was his strategy,

1189
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 2: and I was like, and it worked. And so now

1190
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 2: you nowload the app for free and then there's you know,

1191
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 2: like you can upgrade to a premium version, but it's

1192
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 2: got a built in journal and affirmations and that my

1193
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 2: favorite is there's guided tracks, so you literally push play

1194
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 2: and it and it could be six minutes to ten

1195
00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 2: twenty thirty four. Whatever you decide how long you want

1196
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 2: the track to be and what you want it to

1197
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 2: be on. I need to make more money. I need

1198
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 2: to build confidence. Like here's what I want the Miracle

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00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 2: Morning to be focused on this morning. You hit play

1200
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 2: and then typically it's me or Lucy Osborne's the main

1201
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 2: voice of our Miracle Morning app. She guides you through

1202
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 2: Miracle Morning. It's done for you kind of you don't

1203
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 2: have to even think about it or know how to

1204
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 2: do it. You hit play and and it walks you

1205
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 2: through it.

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00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 1: That's incredible, man, and so needed. Yeah, so needed and

1207
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 1: so fun to see. What's such a good idea to

1208
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 1: to to now be going on its second decade? Yeah,

1209
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 1: you know, of effectiveness and something. I personally hope that

1210
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 1: we can get a Monday Miracle Morning with how on

1211
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 1: after midnight about three thirty in the morning for those

1212
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 1: people that are you know, really starting the morning early.

1213
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll do No, it's it's actually the back after

1214
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 1: that hour, so it'd be like three forty three forty five.

1215
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 2: Well, interestingly enough, it's actually again it's we're coming full

1216
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 2: circle because a I was a d from midnight to

1217
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 2: six am when I was after my first year of college. Right,

1218
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 2: so it's like back on the midnight to six shift.

1219
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 2: And my miracle morning for seven years eight years started

1220
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 2: at three thirty am, So I did my mirk winning

1221
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 2: every day at three thirty am. After cancer, I decided

1222
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 2: to back it up. I'm like, I'm gonna sleep more.

1223
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:21,959
Speaker 2: But but yeah, but that was literally my start time

1224
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 2: for almost over half a decade was three thirty am.

1225
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 2: So I'm like, yeah, let's go, let's go help.

1226
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 1: Mean to be the voice you hear right now, are

1227
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 1: hoping to have on after midnight? Still working out, you know,

1228
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 1: first we got to figure out how really was they do.

1229
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 4: But but well now that he knows he doesn't have

1230
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 4: to do it at three thirty in the morning.

1231
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're tracking along. I think a little bit.

1232
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 1: Just have like some practical some practical steps. Like the

1233
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 1: one example is is how just simple and general these

1234
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 1: practical steps could be. It'd be like, hey, thirty day challenges,

1235
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 1: go to the restroom without your phone. Yeah, no, challenge

1236
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 1: you that and that's one of the three steps for

1237
01:00:58,960 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 1: to do.

1238
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 2: And I'd start with a seven day challenge until the

1239
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 2: next week I got a seven day challenge. Sure, we'll

1240
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 2: check you in with y'all next Monday.

1241
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1242
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 2: Maybe that's a part of it. Is like every episode

1243
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 2: is uh we there's like a seven day like, hey,

1244
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 2: for the next seven days, read this quote or implement

1245
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 2: this idea or do the thing right.

1246
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 1: That's that man. And sometimes it's like, let's do a

1247
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 1: one day challenge. Yeah yeah, and if you could do one,

1248
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 1: let's do two. And if you do two, let's do

1249
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 1: the whole week. Yeah. I would love. I'm going to

1250
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 1: finish this amusing ourselves to death. Neil Postman book written

1251
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 1: and published in nineteen eighty five, which I believe was

1252
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 1: like we could call the book that predicted TikTok, but

1253
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 1: yeah we should. You guys should check out that book

1254
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,479
Speaker 1: and read that. Make that book be your first book

1255
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 1: to read during your miracle morning while you're you know,

1256
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 1: pressing play on the on the americle morning. App So, Bro,

1257
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 1: thank you so much. It's it was such an honor

1258
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 1: having you here in the studio.

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01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 2: It's a mutual honor. Thank you so much for having

1260
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 2: me Granger. I really appreciate you, man.

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01:01:57,720 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for hanging out with me on

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01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 1: this episode. To the Grangersmith Podcast. I appreciate you being here.

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01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:05,560
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Speaker 1: a question you want answered right here on the show,

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01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:24,840
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