1 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Official Jets podcast. Eric Allen here inside studio, 2 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: joined by a special guest. Anytime law Furnius Coles comes 3 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: to One Jets Drive, it is a good day. I'll 4 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:18,639 Speaker 1: see great, to see great. Thanks for having me. Man. Hey, 5 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:24,600 Speaker 1: So approaching the facility here a lot different than Hofster, Huh, 6 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: I mean night and day, man, I mean just pulling in, 7 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: you just get this this feeling of just just greatness 8 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: coming through the gates and you get to see this 9 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: magnificent building Mr Johnson is putting together for these guys 10 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: to come in and work at. And I mean just 11 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: the atmosphere itself is just exhilarating. So you said the 12 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 1: atmosphere itself is exhilarating, elaborate a little bit. Well, I 13 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:48,840 Speaker 1: mean just the energy from the people and the guys 14 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 1: and even being at practice. I mean coming in the Hofster, 15 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 1: not no knock on Hofster. It was what I knew, 16 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: but it was a bit different. You're turning into a university. 17 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: You put them into a big dark gate. Uh, coming 18 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: into old building. Guys have been instance, probably the sixties, 19 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: and then you come here in this new, this state 20 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: of the art technology. Everybody has a smile, on their face, 21 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: the energies in the building. Everybody's excited about the guys 22 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: that we have on the field, and it just feels 23 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: like something great a brewing him. When you were watching 24 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 1: the wide receiver drills like you did today, what are 25 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: you eyeing up? Well, what I was looking at just 26 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 1: the depth that they have at their position. And I 27 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 1: know that they're not gonna be able to keep all 28 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: of those guys, But it's just looking at the the 29 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: decisions that our front office is gonna have to make 30 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 1: on who to keep, who to let go, and all 31 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: of those guys just a boy watching them work, I 32 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 1: know they're gonna end up on somebody else's team if 33 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 1: we let them go. So me being a selfish person, 34 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: I am we may have to keep all of them. Yeah, 35 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: Garrett Wilson, uh number ten overall selection at Ohio State 36 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: and then Elijah More. It was fantastic yesterday and joint practices. 37 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: I mean we're taping this after the second day of 38 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: joint practices with Atlanta fuckins. Um what goes on in 39 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: terms of a transition from the college ranks to the 40 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: pro ranks. I would assume at this point that is 41 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: just getting the language and understanding in the offense. Uh, 42 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: trying to get on the same page with the quarterback. Uh, 43 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: they've had a quarterback injury now, so then you have 44 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 1: to step up and try to get some work done 45 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 1: with Flacco and try to get on the same page 46 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: because every quarterback wants things done a little different. And 47 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: then you're trying to please your coordinator, which is the 48 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: most important person that's going to actually get you your opportunities. 49 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: So when when I watched them and I see um 50 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: them trying to get in tune with what everybody's wanting 51 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:30,359 Speaker 1: to do and then still trying to learn, they don't 52 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: look like fish out of water right now. They look 53 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: like they actually know what's going on. So for me, 54 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: they've already taken the giant step towards being good players 55 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: and also being great players. So these guys have got 56 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: nothing but greatness ahead of them. How advantageous is it 57 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: to have a guy like Flacco thirty seven years old, 58 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: the former Super Bowl m VPS pass for forty one 59 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: tho yards in his NFL career still expride thirty seven. Unfortunately, 60 00:02:56,200 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: Zack Wilson goes down. The Jets seemed to have good 61 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: luck there that it's not a major jury, so at 62 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: some point he's gonna get back. But while that happens, 63 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 1: the offense, what we see it's operating at crisp level. Well, 64 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: that's that's just veteran leadership and a guy that has experienced. 65 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: When you have a guy that's that's that's played on 66 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: the biggest stage there is and the Super Bowl, I 67 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 1: don't think he's gonna be rattled at all. And then 68 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: he's prepared. I mean, he's a veteran. He knows what 69 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: to do. He knows how to prepare for the games. 70 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: He knows how to get those guys and tune and 71 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: his leadership skills just just just takes control and they 72 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: know how to fall in line to the wide receivers 73 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 1: are gonna step in and just beat themselves. As long 74 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: as they keep him happy and the coordinator are happy. 75 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: They have smooth selling. They're gonna make the plays in line. 76 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: Gotta protect the running back. Looked really good. Number twenty Yeah, 77 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: who I don't, I don't. I mean he's he showed 78 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: some brilliant flashes a day and got me excited about him. So, 79 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: I mean, the sky's the sky's the limit. They have 80 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: potential beyond my wilder dreams. There's so much better than 81 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: I thought they would be at this point since they're 82 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: so young. Yes, they surprised that. They surprise me. Really, 83 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: did you said? Brilliant flashes? Yes? What does he bring 84 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: to the table? Catching the ball out of the backfield 85 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: is one of the things I noticed. Has very soft hands. Um. 86 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: Then to see his his his put his foot in 87 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: the ground and getting north and south and accelerate really fast, 88 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 1: very impressive. I mean, I want to throw him out 89 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: there like that. But he reminds me of Curtis a 90 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 1: little bit. Once he plants and goes and just see 91 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,359 Speaker 1: him accelerate through the line and protecting the ball. So 92 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:31,359 Speaker 1: he's going to be special. Um, you're highing Breeseall the 93 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: jets totally transformed the tight end room as well. How 94 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: can from a receiver's perspective, how can guys like Breese Hall, 95 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: Michael Carter, c j Use a Tyler Conklin open up 96 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: space for you guys on the outside? Well, I think 97 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 1: in this in this instance, it's gonna work in reverse 98 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 1: these guys because most of the attention is gonna be 99 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:51,919 Speaker 1: paid to the guys on the outside of those are 100 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: the guys that they know about. But those guys in 101 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 1: the middle of the tight ends have very soft hands also, 102 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: and he was catching some balls to day. So I 103 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: think when people pay attention to the outside guys, is 104 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 1: going to open up the middle of the field and 105 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: give flack olden guys opportunity to make those easy throws 106 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: down the middle of the fields so that they can 107 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: make big plays. And then that's when they have to 108 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: condense the film and take away the middle then to 109 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: open things up for the outside. How hard is it 110 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: for young players in this situation come into a team 111 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: that hasn't been at the playoffs in eleven years, got 112 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: a lot of talent because you walked into a situation 113 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: in the National Football League two thousand. You guys didn't 114 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 1: make the playoffs in two thousand and then the coaching change, 115 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: but then you guys started making the playoffs on a 116 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 1: regular basis. Well, I think it at this time and 117 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: that career is you don't know any better. So so 118 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: when I was younger, I thought we could win every 119 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: football game. You just do. You just just truly believe 120 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 1: no matter what the paper says and what they say 121 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: on TV, who they pick always left the locker room 122 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 1: believing we were going to win. And so these guys 123 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: they don't know how good they are. So they're gonna 124 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:55,239 Speaker 1: go out and lay on the line every week because 125 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: they know they have opportunity to win a football game. 126 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: And when you have that mindset, they've already got the 127 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 1: game one. Do you like what you see how the 128 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 1: solo Robert Salas, second year head coach, always seems to 129 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 1: be in control, very positive with his players. I mean 130 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: just his energy. Just meeting him today and how he 131 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: commands the field and the guys and the way he 132 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: interacts with people. I can tell he would be a 133 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:17,359 Speaker 1: guy who want to run through a wall for and 134 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: that is all you can ask for. How to give 135 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: a head coach and he can win his guys over 136 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: to go out and play a hundred and temper cent 137 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: on Sundays for him, they're gonna want a lot of 138 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: football games. Do you consider yourself the fifth a So 139 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: that two thousand class four first round picks and then 140 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: the Jets get Lavertious Coals out of Florida State in 141 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: the third round. Well, I mean we had we had 142 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 1: a great draft class, and I mean the the I'm 143 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: thankful the Jets gaming opportunity. I had an opportunity to 144 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: send a message to coach Pross the other day for 145 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: giving me a chance to even come in. But just 146 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: being a part of that draft class, having four first 147 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: rounds uh, and those guys played I think between them, 148 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 1: almost fifty years those guys have between them. They all 149 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: had successful careers and did really well. And just to 150 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 1: be a guy. Basically I was the fly on the 151 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: wall that nobody knew about coming out of college and 152 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 1: getting myself in a little trouble. But to see those 153 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: guys just do what they didn't then to be a 154 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: part of that be mitchical. We still had Win, Drew 155 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: Hayes and Tony Scott and there's a lot of really 156 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: I think we just actually had twelve and thirteen rickies 157 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: make that team that year. Was a lot of guys, 158 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: uh for for one team, and we had a veteran 159 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: team at the time that was with Vinnie Tester, Birdie 160 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: and Moe Lewis and Marvin Jones and Marcus Coleman and 161 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: Aaron Glenn Whitestone. I can go on and on, and 162 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: just just the atmosphere and the team itself was great. 163 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: And then to be a part of that class and 164 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: then be remembered with that class cash from nothing better. 165 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: That's fascinated that you reached out to Purcell's the other 166 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: day and thank them. You had to just randomly, so No, 167 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: I spoke with Tannenbaum and I let him know that 168 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: I wanted to reach out to him and tell him 169 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: thank you for taking a chance on me, because really 170 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: I don't think I was on anybody board other than 171 00:07:55,840 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: maybe um the Jets and then Jacksonville because actually they 172 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: told me at that time they were gonna take me 173 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: at one that's gonna take me r J. So after 174 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: that I had no clue where I was going to 175 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: end up. That and for them to give me a 176 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: chance in the third round, I mean, to this day, 177 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: just him giving me a chance to me the world 178 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: to me looking back. You you bring such positivity about you. 179 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: You ever get mad about the way it was coming 180 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: out of the draft, Like you're in a situation where 181 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: peter work gets created completely different than a liver and 182 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: you get this tag that your trouble. Yeah, Well, I 183 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 1: mean I did play with a chip on my shoulder 184 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:39,079 Speaker 1: for a long time, and I was and I was, 185 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:41,199 Speaker 1: so to speak, I was angry at the world. I mean, 186 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: I just I couldn't believe that. I think it was 187 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: seventeen guys that were better than me in that draft, 188 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: and it gave me the the burn on the inside 189 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: to go out and play hard and play with the 190 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: toughness and want to show everybody that I wasn't what 191 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: they thought I was going to be coming in, Like 192 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna show you that I wasn't a risk and 193 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: I'm not a thug, and I'm gonna go out and 194 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: play hard and play through pain and pay through injuries 195 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: to stay on the field because these people gave me 196 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: an opportunity. So just being thankful and gracious for it, 197 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 1: but I still was a lot upset about it. Still 198 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: to this day, I still can't believe they took seventeen 199 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 1: guys ahead of Yeah, nobody else can either. Um So 200 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: seventeen guys, that's something else, and that's something that you 201 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,959 Speaker 1: keep with you. What I also wanted to ask you 202 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: about two thousand is the Jets trade Keishawn Johnson to 203 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 1: Tampa Bay. Did you inherently feel a lot of pressure 204 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: walking in that. I don't know, did you have to 205 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: replace Keishawn Johnson or did you have to make sure 206 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: that the Jets made the right decision here. Well, originally 207 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:44,559 Speaker 1: I think they may drafted Windrow Hayes. He was the 208 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: guy I was gonna play receiver. They drafted me to 209 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: play special teams, is what coach called me when they 210 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: called me that night after they drafted, and it was like, listen, 211 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 1: you're not here to replace Keishawan Johnson. My mind, I'm like, 212 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: I'm here to place Keishan Johns. But they were like, 213 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 1: you're not here to replace Keishaw Johnson. You here to 214 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: play special teams and helped the team am out. That 215 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: was the mindset that coach and I'm told me to 216 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: go into the New York media with and just say, hey, listen, 217 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 1: whatever they asked me to do, I'm gonna do it. 218 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:12,959 Speaker 1: I'm not here to replace Keyshan. And Keyshan was a 219 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 1: star still is a star. So I mean, you didn't 220 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: want to fall into that where just in case, you know, 221 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: you you set yourself up for failure. You're not able 222 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: to live up to what Kishan had done before you 223 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: got here. When did you feel like I'm breaking out 224 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:29,319 Speaker 1: right now? I felt good. I remember we went down 225 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:31,719 Speaker 1: and played Tampa that that year. And we all went 226 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 1: out to dinner, and the guys kind of let me 227 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: know what they felt about me at the time. And 228 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: I didn't know where I still with the guys, I 229 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: mean your rookie. And the guys was like yeah, So 230 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,959 Speaker 1: they brought me into the restaurant. Keyshan was there, I guess, 231 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: uh here, and he took the guys out for dinner 232 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 1: and I was there and Richie Anderson and somebody else 233 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: came and say, come here. So they took me over 234 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: there to Keyshean and he was like, hey, Key, this 235 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 1: is who we got to replace. You mean. I didn't 236 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,719 Speaker 1: say anything, and Key looked at them and pulled out 237 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: there for he put out his black card and put 238 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 1: it on the table and say until he get one 239 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: of these, he can't replace me. But it was Key fashion, 240 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 1: I mean, just just keep being Key. And it just 241 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: motivated me, like, man, these guys really think that. How 242 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: let me tell Key to his face that I'm gonna 243 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: be the guy to replace him. So I meant a 244 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 1: lot to me. Man, I love that story. So what's 245 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: your memories of the Flashlight game? Oh? Man, I mean 246 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: I remember getting I remember the guys had it where 247 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 1: I get a tackling side the twenty on special teams, 248 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: I ended up getting the tackling side of twenty. I 249 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 1: almost ran down a ball on a on a punt 250 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: to tap it back in. I had maybe one catch. 251 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: I had another tackle on special teams. It was kind 252 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: of my breakout game down there. And then I remember 253 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,719 Speaker 1: winning that game with Wayne throw uh Wayne catching the 254 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:54,199 Speaker 1: pass from Curtis Martins and throws the half back past 255 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: the Wayne and we end up winning, and then we 256 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:00,079 Speaker 1: get back and then I remember I'll grow and the 257 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: night everybody flashlights um and he tells the running backs 258 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: you put cut your lights on and put it up 259 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: there and tight ends you cut. So you say, see, 260 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 1: we got a lot of flashlights, but we all together 261 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 1: shine bright like a star. So it was kind of 262 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: kind of a good message behind it meant everything. Arne 263 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: brought me in and gave me an honest opportunity to 264 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,839 Speaker 1: to to play. And when he came in, there was 265 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: nothing in his world I wouldn't do for that man. 266 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 1: He he told me, I'm gonna give you a shot 267 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: to play. I need you to play. And from there 268 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 1: it just it gave me confidence that he was really 269 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: willing to allow me to to to excel in with 270 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,559 Speaker 1: his team. How did you make it look seamless that 271 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: you went from a veteran quarterback like Vinney Tuessoverdy to 272 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 1: a younger guy like Champing. Well, you have to remember 273 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 1: when we came in, I worked with Chat every day 274 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: and man Chad would talk all the time. Chat would 275 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: even talk to me even when he wasn't in and 276 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:58,559 Speaker 1: getting the reps, and he would tell me what he 277 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:00,679 Speaker 1: saw and what he thought I should doing here, tell 278 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: me to try it this way. And the great thing 279 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: about me is when people are coming to me with stuff, 280 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 1: I'm very receptive. I love learning new things, especially if 281 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: it's coming from the quarterback. And we knew he was 282 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: gonna be the future, we just didn't know win. It 283 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 1: came a little sooner than we all anticipated. But just 284 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: talking with Chad and getting on the same page with 285 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: him before he got in it made things so much sweet. 286 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: And then I had to give him a little threat 287 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: to about about me getting the ball because we was 288 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 1: going to Jacksonville. Uh the week before he got going home. Yeah, 289 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: I said, I'm going home and I want the football, 290 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: and Chad found a way to get me the rock. 291 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: Um so what kind of advice would he give to 292 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,959 Speaker 1: like Zac Wilson, who's in the second year, who has 293 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: these young, dynamic, electric playmakers on the outside that we 294 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: talked about, whether that be Garrett Wilson or Elijah Moore. 295 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: You got some older fats here, you got the Corey 296 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: Davis is him and a great reception today he got 297 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: Bracton Burials. But specifically those three guys, well, I would 298 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 1: say the trust factor is the most important thing. So 299 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: when when you're talking with these guys, get the little things. 300 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: So he would tell me, he said, else, when you 301 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,319 Speaker 1: get over there and you stop, I'm gonna place the 302 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: ball where i want you to turn, and I'm gonna 303 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: protect you. I'm gonna get your way from the defender. 304 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:09,199 Speaker 1: So you're not looking a word about you're gonna get 305 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: blown up or anything like that. And so when you 306 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: know you got a guy that has your best interests 307 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: at hard and is trying to protect you with the 308 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: football as well as make you a better player about 309 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: getting the ball in your hands so that you can 310 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: make players to help the team win, that chemistry and 311 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: that trust creates something special. And once they get that 312 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: going and he starts talking to them, with the football man, 313 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: they're gonna be hard to stop. Did it piss you 314 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: off early on in any career when people said Jets 315 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: really need a big guy on outside, they don't have 316 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: a true number one receiver and I don't. My counter 317 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: would always be, well, look at laverne sicle stats. I 318 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: don't care, but as it sure looks like a number 319 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: one to me. Well, I guess you know. People have 320 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: the perception of what a number one guy was back then. 321 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: But in our wide receiver room, we all have faith 322 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: in each other. Me Wayne in Santana, we all knew 323 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: that when we stepped on the field that other team 324 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: feared us is all number one. When we came out 325 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: that tunnel, you couldn't just key on one guy and 326 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: say you was gonna stop him and that be it. 327 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: And then again, we had Curtis Martin, so it really 328 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: didn't matter what they did with us. You still had 329 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 1: the game plan for him. So it gave us a 330 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: lot of free space on the outside to be able 331 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: to maneuver and do what we wanted to do. How 332 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: much did you like working with those guys, Wayne in Santanna? 333 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: I love it. Those are the And again, you don't 334 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: know what you have until you don't have it anymore. 335 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: But being in the room with those three guys was 336 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: like the best year of my career force being able 337 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: to just play, have fun, be free. There was no selfishness. 338 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: We all was genuinely happy for each other after each 339 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: other called a touchdown, got a first down, and we 340 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: we just we really had fun, We really enjoyed playing together. 341 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: Was it herd for you signing with Washington? And I 342 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: know it sounds ridiculous, but because you're getting paid money, 343 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: money talks, no doubt about that. But leaving the situation 344 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: where hey, I developed here, I have a lot of 345 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: friends here, and you're a young guy. I wish I 346 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: was more mature and I had seen things differently at 347 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: that time. I didn't have anybody to talk to about 348 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: standings off of them, and you talked to your agent. 349 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: Your agent is gonna guide you to take the money. 350 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: But when you look long term, and and and things 351 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: that could have been if I stayed here, I probably 352 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: would have moved up on the list all the time 353 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: yets while I received it. If I had stayed here, 354 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: I'd have had another couple opportunities to go to the 355 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: playoffs with this team that they went to the playoffs, y'achter, 356 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: I left and they felt like I was a missing piece. Um, 357 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: it's just so many things. I mean, you're young, yeah, immature, 358 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: You don't know long term. You just know about what's 359 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: in front of you right now. But if I had 360 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: known the things I knew now, I would have never left. 361 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: But it's not like you went to Washington didn't have success. 362 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: You were. I was good, but but but I wasn't. 363 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: I didn't have the same level of fund that I 364 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: had when I had when I was here. I mean, 365 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: and I know it's it's probably hard to understand, but 366 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: I truly enjoyed being here. That's why I came back. 367 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: I was like a straight cat that came back like 368 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: three times. They fed me once and I just kept 369 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: coming back. All right. So what was your thought when 370 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: you heard you were going back but the guy you 371 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 1: were getting traded for was seeing Tana Moss? Well, oh 372 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 1: that story. So it was just it was it was 373 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: better sweet, you know, It's like, well, I get to 374 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: go back to where I really want to be, but 375 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:27,640 Speaker 1: I really want to be with South Town to play 376 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 1: with him, because there's another speed guy and we was 377 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 1: able to stretch the field together. But that's that's that's 378 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: the business side of it that you know, just just 379 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: happens when you come back. I still have Wayne Um, 380 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 1: even even if only for a couple of years. But 381 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: Wayne was the guy that pretty much taught me how 382 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: to be a pro. Um took me under his wing. 383 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 1: Uh still love him to this day like a brother. 384 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: So we I mean, we just a different family. He's 385 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: an extension of my family. And the business side of 386 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: it gets in the way sometimes and and it's better sweet, 387 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: but no, guys do what they gotta do. It. Did 388 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: you think was the team that could have went further? 389 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: If you play it back in your head when you 390 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:12,399 Speaker 1: look at that you look back at those playoffs the 391 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:14,919 Speaker 1: year after we and I can't remember the exact year. 392 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: I think we beat We beat the Coats, and then 393 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:26,360 Speaker 1: we had to go to hold on. Yes, in that Oakland, 394 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,679 Speaker 1: then we're not in that lost in Oakland. Then the 395 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 1: next year, had I not went to Washington, I think 396 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: that year, if I have stayed, would have won it. Yeah, 397 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 1: I think we'dn't won it because I was building towards something. 398 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 1: We we had all the pieces in place, and and 399 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: I was the missing piece. I truly believe that if 400 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: I have stayed, we were at least played in the 401 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: Super Bowl. What was your favorite moments there where Washington, 402 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 1: New York. Well, I mean the word rememberable night would 403 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 1: be Monday Night Miracle. Of course that was super fun. 404 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: People didn't even know we had one until the next day. Um. 405 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: But just just I think the locker room was it 406 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 1: for me. The guys in that locker room was so 407 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 1: in tune with what it took to be a professional 408 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: and what it took to play the game the right 409 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:25,159 Speaker 1: way and go out and win. And when you was 410 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: a part of what they were trying to get done, 411 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 1: they gravitated to you and brought you in like he 412 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: was part of the family, which is which is great. Okay, 413 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:35,959 Speaker 1: So take me to the sideline during the Monday Night Miracle. 414 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:40,679 Speaker 1: Was there ever a time you're like, I don't know, 415 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: it's not or not. Again, I was young, I didn't 416 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 1: know no better. So all I thought was we could 417 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,120 Speaker 1: win this. And if you go back and look at film, 418 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: you see me on the side of head. Guys, I 419 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: think we got a shot. You see some guys looking 420 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: like you ain't looking at the scoreboard but me, I didn't. 421 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:56,479 Speaker 1: I didn't know that we were not supposed to come 422 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 1: back and win that football game. A lot of people 423 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: had left the stands, so people had cut their TVs off, 424 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: So I mean, I don't think that game in until 425 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 1: like super late. Yeah. I mean. I was at the 426 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: breakfast place across the street getting the guys that bagels 427 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:11,199 Speaker 1: are next morning, and I was in line behind a 428 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: gentleman and he looked out at the newspaper and he 429 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: was like, it came back and one. I was like, yeah, 430 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 1: we went last night. I was in Tampa at the time, 431 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:20,719 Speaker 1: and I was one of those people fell asleep earlier. 432 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 1: You guys were down by a lot um. Yeah, that 433 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 1: game was just absolutely incredible. Did you like playing against Miami? 434 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 1: Because I felt every time I don't see he was 435 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 1: lying up against Miami. You do what they were gonna do. 436 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: They're gonna try to play man because they had confidence 437 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: in their corners. But to me, that Matt Clothes is 438 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,399 Speaker 1: going to go off today, and I had something personal 439 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: against him. I remember going to the Senior Bowl and 440 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 1: ask him to fill out one of their forms and 441 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 1: they won't even let me fill it out, you know, 442 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 1: And I was like, Okay, I'll show you when I 443 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,159 Speaker 1: get a chance. And so every time we played the Dolphins, 444 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: I just had something inside of me just wanted to 445 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: crush him. So it was just something personal for me. 446 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 1: It might not be impersonal for anybody else, but it's 447 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: a personal for me. How much you following the jail 448 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jaguars down there? Unfortunately more than I should because 449 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 1: I'm there with them, But I mean they've had a 450 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 1: rough couple of years at it. But I ain't know 451 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 1: where to go but up for them. I tell you 452 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: the reason why I ask is because obviously there's similarities 453 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: and parallels because you got Trevor Lawrence goes number one 454 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: in the draft and then Zach Wilson, and those guys 455 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 1: will always be compared against each other. Well, Joe Douglas 456 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:35,439 Speaker 1: is gonna a great job here, getting Zach help and 457 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 1: surrounded him with talent. I can't say the same for 458 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 1: down there. Just being honest, uh So, I think we're 459 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: on a different path than Jacksonville. Jacksonville is, and I 460 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 1: think you will see a lot of that this year 461 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: once they get opportunity to play and show, and you 462 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 1: will see it in opposite direction. For Jacksonville. Yeah, from Afar. 463 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,679 Speaker 1: I felt bad for Lawrence considering what happened with the 464 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 1: coaching situation last year. I don't think anybody could excel 465 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 1: in that spot well. And and so basically it's basically 466 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 1: like he's a rookie all over again. You got a 467 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,919 Speaker 1: new staff coming in, You're having a you know, basically 468 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: learned everything. You're answering questions about stuff really that doesn't 469 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: have anything to do with him, and that has nothing 470 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: to do with football so to speak. And I mean 471 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 1: your heart has to go out to the kid right 472 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: here that Zach has had. He's got everything. He has 473 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 1: a good GM, he has a good coach, he has 474 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: his offense that he's been in for a little bit. 475 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: So he's starting to understand it, learn it. Um, it 476 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:39,639 Speaker 1: should be fun for him. Now. The next two years 477 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: is gonna be really, really a really good stepping stone 478 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 1: for him to go in the dire right direction. This 479 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 1: is a unique fan base. Why were you so connected 480 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,880 Speaker 1: with them and continue to be to this day because 481 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: people are lining up asking for your autograph out there today. Well, 482 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: I think that this city has always been about hard work, 483 00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: and they see guys that have a toughness to him, 484 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 1: and so always that GrITT and toughness. I mean, even 485 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: when you speak to them, they're just like, hey, they'll 486 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 1: bump you here and probably won't even say excuse me. 487 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 1: That's just that attitude. And when you go out and 488 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: you displayed out on the football field, they can relate. 489 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 1: You know. They love toughness and and that's what I 490 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 1: was about, going across the middle and getting hit and 491 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 1: getting back up and going at it again. And they 492 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: love that. So if you wouldn't have let on the 493 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 1: line for them, they willn't lead on the line for 494 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: you as fans. And I think that connection would always 495 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 1: stick there for those of us who haven't played in 496 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: front of seventy five thousand people and haven't made that 497 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 1: key third down conversion or called a touchdown? What's that 498 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: like when you make the play but then the oncoming 499 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:45,120 Speaker 1: Russian noise, you can't get nothing. There's nothing in life 500 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: that you can get that feels that way. I mean, 501 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: there's nothing like it. I mean, it's crazy. People like 502 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 1: man I said, when you're playing, you don't hear anything 503 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: when the ball is in the air, I don't see 504 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,919 Speaker 1: anything but the football, and you don't really get an 505 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 1: opportunity to enjoy that moment until you actually tackle. The 506 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,919 Speaker 1: whistle is blown and then you can kind of you 507 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: hear the noise creep in there, and you're like, man, 508 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 1: that feels good, and the guys like, man, good job. 509 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 1: You know, it's just it's just something about it that 510 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: you could never get. And that's that's what I missed. 511 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: The locker room and hearing those fans screened for you 512 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 1: on a big play. What do you think about the 513 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: way receivers are getting paid a round in the National 514 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 1: Football League? Now, now you're making me want to put 515 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 1: Cis back Adams and let's goes out a little bit. 516 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: I'm just happy it's happening. These guys just deserve every 517 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: penny because they change games. They're the reason, you know, 518 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 1: we watched the big bombs in the big past or 519 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 1: they catched the short routes and make people mass and 520 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,920 Speaker 1: get down the field. And they're the entertainers. I mean, 521 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,120 Speaker 1: that's what it's about, the receivers at the entertainers. I mean, 522 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 1: you started started way back in the day where you know, 523 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,199 Speaker 1: Billy white shoes and all them guys doing dances and 524 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: all that, and then you had t o T you 525 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 1: get your popcorn ready, So people really was ready to watch. 526 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,200 Speaker 1: Wide receivers are just just fun to watch, mean to 527 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 1: just it. What has changed the most since you've retired 528 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: in terms of the way offenses are attacking defenses? Just 529 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,120 Speaker 1: the physicality and I'm not being able to touch these 530 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,120 Speaker 1: guys as they get down the field. I I mean, 531 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 1: you're jealous. Of course I could have played years, but 532 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: now these guys just getting to go out and then 533 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 1: after five gotta get your hands off of him. Um again, 534 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,199 Speaker 1: you can't hit him. I think you got like a 535 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,360 Speaker 1: target zone. Back then there was the target with your head. 536 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 1: You know, you just just how it didn't get you 537 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 1: down and got you down with it was hitching below 538 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 1: the knees, hit you in the head. Now it's not 539 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,919 Speaker 1: like that. What do you think about what the Jets 540 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,160 Speaker 1: have at the outside of the cornerback and the number 541 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 1: four of overall selection, that's up my sauce Gartner. I 542 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: watched them today, very very fiery and competitive. I mean, 543 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 1: he's everything you could ask for in the corner. And 544 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:51,639 Speaker 1: then Wayne was talking about it. He said, you know 545 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 1: he never gave up a touchdown. I was like, he 546 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,239 Speaker 1: didn't he did what he's like, he hasn't given up 547 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 1: a touchdown. I was like, I'm like, that's that's Dion's 548 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 1: sounder is like right there, like that's just crazy talent. 549 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,119 Speaker 1: So I'm excited to see what they're gonna do. I 550 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 1: know I saw something with the guy said, they don't 551 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 1: call them save ship, they still call them mad or 552 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: something until until he gets out there and show them. 553 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 1: After watching him, I think he sauce. Okay, I like that, 554 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: But how would you have attacked a player like that 555 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: who's so physical? He excels in man press, and he 556 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 1: also has a speed like sometimes you see longer cornerbacks 557 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 1: that are tall that don't have that. Yeah, well me personally, 558 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: I would create space and making pick his feet up 559 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: and trying to make him crossover. That was one of 560 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 1: the things I was really good at is get out 561 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,880 Speaker 1: of the line, slide and cheap back. He's a long 562 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 1: ranging guy. Make it move. That's it. Making pick his 563 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 1: feet up and move. And if I can get him 564 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 1: to do that, I was quick enough to get back 565 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,359 Speaker 1: inside on him or get around him to get on 566 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,639 Speaker 1: top of him. How much do you love being a technician? 567 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: That's that's part of the game. Everybody has talent. Once 568 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: you get to this level, it's about finding the little 569 00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 1: things that's gonna make you a little bit better to 570 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: get you past those guys that's in front of you. 571 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: But who helped you the most with that? A lot 572 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 1: of that's got to come from internal watching the film. Film. 573 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,120 Speaker 1: I watched, watched a lot of film. Um, I didn't 574 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 1: really get a lot of Man and Man after about 575 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: my third year, but I still watched a lot of 576 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: film to figure out how I was gonna line up 577 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 1: on guys and what I could do just in case 578 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 1: I got it. But it's just film and just just 579 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 1: know how and uh, just a little things getting my shoulder. 580 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: If I can get my shoulder pass and I can 581 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 1: get in front of him, I can cut him off. 582 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 1: Just things that dbs don't like. I learned how to do. 583 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: When you started to get that respect where you didn't 584 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: get the man coverage as much, were you pissed or 585 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 1: was like, no, that's just a sign of respect. I 586 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: beat your zone anyway I was. I was kind of 587 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 1: upset because they started rollings safeties over the top and 588 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,199 Speaker 1: then you have this cornerback talking noise to you, like 589 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 1: he really I'm like, bro, you haven't done anything. You 590 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,119 Speaker 1: got you got a man standing behind you helping you 591 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 1: the entire time. You haven't done anything, you haven't stopped it. 592 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 1: When you ain't got but two catches, when you gotta 593 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 1: half the team over there help me. Of course, I'm 594 00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: only gonna have a couple of catches, But what about 595 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 1: Sam time old Wayne who was on the other side, Jericho, 596 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 1: that's eating your live over there, go over there. You 597 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 1: need to go help him out. And that's hard. It's 598 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:12,400 Speaker 1: like the double edged sword, right, because yeah, they're giving 599 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 1: you more attention, but you, as a player, you want 600 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: to contribute. You want to contribute in your contribution. Somebody's 601 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 1: gonna look at the statue and say, well you only 602 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,640 Speaker 1: had three four catches today and be like, well, those 603 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 1: guys they clean up. They combined for thirteen catches under 604 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: fifty yards, three touchdowns. What it's about. You just have 605 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 1: to mature and be able to to to know that, 606 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 1: and the coaching staff has to be able to relay 607 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 1: that message to you and talk to you too about it. 608 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: All right, man, I really enjoyed this. Can you tell 609 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 1: us what you're up to in your family? Oh? Well, 610 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: my kids are moving up here to New York, so 611 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 1: I get to be around a little bit more. Okay, 612 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 1: uh to start next month, so I'm excited about that. 613 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: And I'm enjoying retirement. Man. I'm I'm I'm sitting home 614 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 1: and will come up and try and do an internship 615 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 1: with the Jets next year. Seeking outline a few things. 616 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 1: And I've been in touch with what Mike Tannenbaum about 617 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: working with him, and here's new projects. So I'm excited. 618 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: I got a few little things, but I'm I'm still 619 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: like being at home, sitting on the couch playing Xbox 620 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: one of the games playing I'm Destiny too. Yeah, that's it, 621 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 1: is it? Okay, if you get an internship with the 622 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: Jets with department, you're gonna be I'll probably be a 623 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: scouting yeah. Will ever get you to do some media 624 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: of course? All right, cool, I'm waiting, Lavernius calls. Enjoyed it, 625 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: Thank you,