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Speaker 1: welcome to another episode of Thinking Sideways the podcast I

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Speaker 1: Am Devin, joined this week by Joe and Steve, and

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Speaker 1: we haven't had a creepy mystery for you. Halloween Halloween week,

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Speaker 1: in the Halloween spirit for while. The candies out. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know, I'm gaining weight crazy. I've already eaten fifty

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Speaker 1: pounds of it. We can tell um. So this week

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Speaker 1: we're going to talk about a creepy Internet mystery actually,

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Speaker 1: and we're calling this one. What the heck is hell

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Speaker 1: dot com? Was? Was? Was um? And Bradford suggested this

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Speaker 1: And I guess we'll just want to hop right into it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: not what the hell? Yeah yeah, that's gonna happen all

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Speaker 1: night long, but I'm gonna miss it a lot. Yeah, So, actually,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's a thing for you to

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Speaker 1: drop heck in frequently. Okay, So hell dot com Okay.

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Speaker 1: From to two thousand nine, hell dot com was, I

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Speaker 1: just guess. It was described as a quote private parallel web,

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Speaker 1: hell dot com averaged a million hits per month despite

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Speaker 1: having no content, not being listed on any directory or

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Speaker 1: Google wasn't really like a thing back then. You didn't

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Speaker 1: way Back Machine, which we love, and if you don't

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Speaker 1: we get his phone number? Okay? Hell? Yeah, alright, fine,

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Speaker 1: it's a very thinly guarded secret. Okay, probably HR listens

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Speaker 1: a little he is that sounds like a bad seventies novel,

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00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 1: Dear Kenneth. It sounds like a bad song. But apparently

430
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,479
Speaker 1: he's described as a conceptual artist who uses photography as

431
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 1: parts of part of his process. I'm not going to

432
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,640
Speaker 1: read this whole thing. Yeah. According to Kenneth's personal site,

433
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 1: which again we'll talk on a little bit, he is

434
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 1: the CEO and founder of the Parallel Network and um,

435
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:44,640
Speaker 1: the Parallel Network of I can't say een kean Noir Yeah,

436
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 1: and hell dot com, which is considered to be an

437
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 1: enigma of the Web according to the Enigma of the Web,

438
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 1: the you're right, the enigma. Excuse me, So that's what

439
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 1: happened when you went to search. So now for real

440
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,160
Speaker 1: is we're going to talk about Steve wanted to bring

441
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 1: something up, okay for the class. Well, I mean we

442
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 1: talked about this offline. But one of the most annoying

443
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 1: things about this website, even when you pull it through

444
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: the Internet archive is it had a redirect built into it,

445
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,880
Speaker 1: and currently in the archive, it redirects you away from

446
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 1: itself in twenty seconds. It used to do two minutes,

447
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 1: right right, So why it's seconds. It's bleeping annoying to

448
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 1: try and find anything. But I went through it and

449
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: was just dinking around and I found a couple of things.

450
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: There's a page in two thousand five that I got

451
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: myself into, and it was the link was locations, and

452
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 1: I didn't write down the date in two thousand and five. Unfortunately.

453
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 1: I went back to try and find it. But of

454
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 1: course it's just such a rabbit hole, especially when it's

455
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: redirecting you every twenty second. But what it did is

456
00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 1: it popped. It threw up a pop up screen or

457
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 1: pop up window, i should say, and before I closed it,

458
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: because the content in the page was kind of nil,

459
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: it wasn't even enough for me to note it. I

460
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 1: think it's probably just the same stuff i'd seen before

461
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 1: the logo. But what I did notice is the header

462
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 1: in the window, you know where it'll say blah blah blah,

463
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 1: whatever text they want there. It had written in it

464
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 1: for one, the letter N zero one a space seven three,

465
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 1: the letter W five two, and I was like, well,

466
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 1: that sounds like a set of coordinates. So I went

467
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,120
Speaker 1: into Google Earth or Google Maps, I can't remember which

468
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: one it was, and I happened to still have it

469
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: was Google Earth because I happened to still have up

470
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 1: Japan Tokyo from last week's episode, and I entered it

471
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: and it returned a location in Tokyo, and I thought, well,

472
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,640
Speaker 1: what the deuce, that's really weird, and so I hit

473
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 1: the you know, go to my home button and so

474
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: it went back to my neighborhood and I typed in

475
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: that location again and it found a location in Portland.

476
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: And then I'm going, well this is this is So

477
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, what's a major city that people

478
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 1: wouldn't think of it. I just typed a New Delhi

479
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 1: with the New Delhi, India put in those coordinates once

480
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: I was in New Delhi and it found a site.

481
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 1: It's really really crazy. As long as you you spaced

482
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 1: it so that it was the two digits, the alpha

483
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: character and then two digits and then a physical space

484
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 1: between that and the next set of numbers and the letter,

485
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 1: it always takes you somewhere. So it's like, maybe perhaps

486
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: the not to degrees, but just the minutes and seconds

487
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 1: maybe I don't know. I mean, it's it's really it

488
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: was very strange, and I was I kept playing with it,

489
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: but I couldn't find a rhyme or reason for what

490
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: the hell it was doing. It's interesting. Yeah, so this,

491
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 1: this is this was one of the few things where

492
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 1: I was like, I found something. Damn, I don't know

493
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 1: what it is in this story. Yeah, but it's super

494
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 1: interesting and we will definitely talk about that in theories

495
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,959
Speaker 1: a little bit. Man, I'm gonna have to go out

496
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 1: and look on Google maps so I can find Yeah,

497
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 1: you are okay, well, continuing on, In two thousand and ten,

498
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 1: hell dot com featured that original logo once again, which

499
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 1: did lead to that kind of star field effect. Um.

500
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: They describe it as like a holographic logo basically, so

501
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: like an updated logo. Huh Is that that where it

502
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: seems to shift in space and change colors? Is that

503
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: That's why I'm doing this, just going yeah, like this

504
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: it had and it apparently had it that starfield behind it.

505
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: I'm doing a lot of gesticulating toward yeah, and no

506
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 1: it didn't. It wasn't. With the questions this time, It

507
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: was red dots that apparently would um if you put

508
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: your mouth over it, like covered one with your little cursor,

509
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: it would play a sound, a tone, a tone if

510
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: you could almost make varying musical tones by going over

511
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: bunches of them. There's a lot of websites like that now.

512
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,479
Speaker 1: But yeah, I bet if you played this specific tune

513
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: might take you somewhere like kind of cool. Yeah, maybe

514
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: that's how you got into the special secret site. Well

515
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 1: there was at the bottom of that page there was

516
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: a log in feature, so probably that log in feature

517
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: is how you got into this. Hey call me crazy.

518
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: The idea that the special the special Illuminati level for

519
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: the extra level, y, yeah, they probably could use that

520
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: play a little tune. I found a series this similar

521
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: set of dots in two thousand five or six as well, interesting,

522
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: which was another flash movie. And it was six dots

523
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: and they were set up in a circle and then

524
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: a circle was actually drawn on top of them, and

525
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: they would fade out and it would all get smaller

526
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: and smaller and disappear into space. So it was like

527
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: two or I think it was three or four times.

528
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: It was large. It was again in a pop up window.

529
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: It love pop up windows and and it would it

530
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: would drop, drop, drop, and then repeat to the I

531
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: didn't size, I didn't experience that. I only found it

532
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: once and I happen to find it today when I

533
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: was looking for That's interesting. I didn't know that there

534
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: were some common themes, very simple geometric themes. Yeah, I

535
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: think there were. So if you went to the log

536
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: in feature at the bottom of the page, basically, if

537
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: you put incorrect information in, or if you even just

538
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: waited too long, because that was apparently a thing. I

539
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: don't know. This website seems to have a big obsession

540
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: with time, like if you don't if you you know,

541
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: if you're just chilling there, like it's going to redirect you.

542
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 1: So if it took you too long to log in,

543
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: or you put incorrect information, and it would take you

544
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: to back to that search page where it was just

545
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: the search and then Steve found something else in two

546
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: thousand ten. Is that true? Yeah, So if you go

547
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: to March and again, it pops up a window and

548
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: I don't remember which link I clicked on because there's

549
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: three of them, so of course I can't remember it.

550
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: Would it brought up a pop up and this time

551
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: in that header in the top of your browser, you

552
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: know the bar on your keyboards, or there's the forward slash,

553
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: and then if you hold shift, it's got the very

554
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: vertical bar. Okay, so that bar is in that area,

555
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: but it's again set there's it's there's two bars and

556
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: a space and then five bars in a space, three

557
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: bars of space, four bars of space at a single bar.

558
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: So I just simply converted that to numbers and dropped

559
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: them into the search field, because it comes out to

560
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: five one. If if you type that into the search

561
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,959
Speaker 1: field that's available, it takes you to a new page

562
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: which has a kind which has got this humongous thing

563
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: written about hell dot com. I copy and pasted the

564
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: text because I could not read it in black and white,

565
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: and I dropped it into word and it didn't have

566
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: any carriage returns between the paragraphs anymore. And it was

567
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: twenty five pages long. Wow, did you read it all? No?

568
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: I read like the first paragraph for two and then went, wait,

569
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: how long is this? Oh god, no, I give up.

570
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: What did the first couple of paragraphs talk about? It

571
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: was all about what hell dot com was, and I

572
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: don't know it was. It was weird, It was hard

573
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: to follow. What did it say? It was several days ago.

574
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: I don't remember exactly what it said. It was really

575
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: hard for me. It's just like, I don't get it.

576
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: It was to a degree it almost felt like it

577
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: was some existential text about hell and blah blah blah.

578
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: And I think it might have been right after the

579
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: purchase date. I think that's when that might have gone in. Okay,

580
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: excusally when people are more excited about their websites. Yeah, okay,

581
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: Well that again is like this super weird and interesting.

582
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: I know there are lots of things like that. I

583
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: mean to be you know, to be honest with you,

584
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: Like I said, I tried to go through and look

585
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: at at least one capture on every day, but I

586
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: frankly didn't get a chance to go through and look

587
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: at like the source code of every single day, or

588
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: even every post every or every crawl every day. So

589
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: I'm certain that I missed stuff. I know, it's crazy,

590
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: right that in the whole twenty second redirect that kind

591
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: of amazingly, I was, honestly, So, I mean, you guys

592
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: know this that my fiance has been like doing coding

593
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: stuff recently, and so I was sitting on the couch

594
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: on my computer, and I was like, I had the

595
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: source code window up and I was just like sitting

596
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: there and it kept redirecting me, and I was like duh,

597
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: and he was like what And I was like, I'm

598
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: just looking at cold stuff and it's just messing with me.

599
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: And he was like, oh, let me take a look

600
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: at it. And it took him one redirect and he

601
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: was like, I'm not looking at this sea. That's about right.

602
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: What was written in just regular there was there was nothing.

603
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: There's some jobs script on there too. Yeah. I mean

604
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: it wasn't anything outlandish or typical of the time. It

605
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: was just standard. Yeah. So in two thousand eleven, the

606
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: main Hell dot com was disabled as far as we

607
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: can tell. It just had a blank white screen that showed.

608
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: And then in later in two thousand eleven is when

609
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,720
Speaker 1: we got to see this um the first redirect the website.

610
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 1: You would do Hell dot com and it would just

611
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: automatically redirect you to the Gospel Media Network, which is

612
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: a Christian religious site, which is probably why you thought

613
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: that's what it redirected to. Currently it's not. It doesn't

614
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 1: do that anymore, but there you have it. So that's

615
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 1: the description of I don't know when, Frankly, to be

616
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: honest with you, I don't know when. After that it

617
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: became the site that it is today because it's interesting anymore. Yeah,

618
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: the magic was gone, gone, totally gone. So nothing none

619
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: of the I mean, it's weird, but none of this

620
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: is really creepy yet, right the hell out of me?

621
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: Is it? No? Not really? You better? You better? You

622
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: better amp this up? Right? It amp it up? Are

623
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: you guys? Right? So the creepy factor comes from Reddit

624
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 1: user named I'm going to say viln X. Yeah, that's

625
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 1: how I want to say it too. When this person

626
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: wrote um an account of their experience trying to gain

627
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: access to the kind of inner workings of hell dot com,

628
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,800
Speaker 1: because if I wasn't clear enough, there was a member's

629
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:22,760
Speaker 1: only log in portion of this website supposedly, and according

630
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 1: to xylen X, there was. And I want to talk

631
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: about this experience because it's this firsthand account of like

632
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: what happened when um he tried to access it nefariously.

633
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 1: So the story basically starts out describing the website in

634
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: like way less detail than we just liked it for

635
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: the last forty minutes basically said that it had a

636
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: flashy front end but really very little to it, which

637
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: is accurate. Um. And then viln X says that he

638
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: decided to poke around for like who knows why in

639
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 1: the root source code, and that's when things started to

640
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: get a bit crazy through a series of kind of

641
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: techno babble and back doors. I'm not going to bother

642
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: to describe why he apparently got access to the member

643
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: part of the site. And I'm gonna have Joe read

644
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: some excerpts from this um, this, this um kind of rehashing. Yes, please,

645
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: here's ziln X. We'll be put on my xylin x

646
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: voice here. Most of the pages seem to be strange

647
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: avant garde art presentations, some were videos, and others were

648
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: rather well designed web pages. Looking back, some of the

649
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: pages looked a lot like what we now call web

650
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: two point oh In two thousand five, it looked almost

651
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: futuristic as I watched a slide show set to industrial techno,

652
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: where each slide showed a different children's book that have

653
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 1: been photoshop to have a perverted title. Some examples would

654
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: be good Night, Boob and everybody. So I switched windows

655
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 1: to look at the source code unquote. So he was

656
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: able to find a link that looked familiar from like

657
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: his original pokings around, but when he clicked it, he

658
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: it took him back to the same page that he

659
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: had just been on. So he basically what happens is

660
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 1: he figures, okay, well my website isn't working properly, and

661
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 1: we've all experienced this before. You have to reload a

662
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: page because it's just not quite working particularly all. But

663
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: he reset his whole set up and then loaded up

664
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: this thing called a brute Force application, which is basically

665
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: a program that we'll just try thousands and thousands of

666
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: user name and password combinations until it gets in. It's

667
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,879
Speaker 1: brute Force. It's very dumb, it's very slow, but it's

668
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 1: very effective because eventually it is going to find it.

669
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,919
Speaker 1: It's gonna find something. Make it take a thousand years,

670
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: but eventually that's true. Usually we can with the password, password,

671
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: and the ord. I mean, you would be surprised how

672
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 1: often that happens, unfortunately, But so basically basically what happens

673
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 1: is he does is um he does gain access to

674
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: the members only site again through this brute Force application.

675
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: After I think he said it took a couple hours,

676
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:12,959
Speaker 1: but he said that he found some more information about

677
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 1: this collective of artists, some of whom are pretty famous today,

678
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: who were reportedly just working on kind of high concept programs.

679
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: But after just like a couple of minutes of poking around,

680
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: his log in credentials that he had been basically that

681
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: he had spoofed got banned. So he was kicked out

682
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 1: of the members only part it is. So he kind

683
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 1: of continues on to start describing what I would say.

684
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: Where we get pretty creepy, Joe, do you want to

685
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: read some stuff? Yeah? Sure, Now this is where it

686
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,879
Speaker 1: gets odd. Out of nowhere, my browser history, download history,

687
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: book marks, and several other common features of my browser

688
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 1: had been completely wiped. Moreover, in my roommate was shouting

689
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: from the other room because his computer had suffered the

690
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: same faith I assumed it was a text savvy siss

691
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: op that hacked me to make a point or something.

692
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 1: So he grabs his laptop and goes down to the

693
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: local coffee shop to use their WiFi because it seems

694
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: like the systems operator, which is what sissop is, had

695
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: fled to his IP. Basically, you can ban an IP

696
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 1: from a website and say, if this anybody logging on

697
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: from this, I p cannot gain up that work the

698
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: nanny programs do. So he worked on getting back in

699
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: and actually did get back in. But apparently this time

700
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: when he threw that brute force application again got back

701
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: into the members only site, it actually looked different. Joe.

702
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: The page I landed I was nothing more than a

703
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: flash video in the center of a black background. The

704
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: video that followed was gruesome on the level I had

705
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 1: not yet seen. I scoff at the Pain series and

706
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 1: most and most shock sites are boring to me. I

707
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: can't even boast that by this point Screamers didn't even

708
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: make me jump unlist all these gruesome images and video

709
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,760
Speaker 1: clips of what can only be described as horrific crimes

710
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,720
Speaker 1: against humanity, some red text slowly came into focus. Quote

711
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: those who see kale are desk and to find it unquote.

712
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,359
Speaker 1: I closed my laptop and headed home. It was getting late,

713
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: and I figured I could take another crack at it

714
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: in the morning. On the way back, I walked past

715
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: the church signists said quote those who seek hell are

716
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: destined to find it unquote. When I got home, I

717
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: hopped on my desktop and logged into a game. As

718
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,439
Speaker 1: I ran around, killing mythical creatures and chatting with other

719
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: players at GM noted for typing and red text typed

720
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: quote those who seek hell are destined to find it unquote.

721
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: I asked the GM if he hadn't spend any time

722
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: on hell dot com recently, and within a few minutes,

723
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 1: I was bammed from the game for using an appropriate language.

724
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: With little else to entertain myself, I want to sleep. Well,

725
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: that's a that's a weird series of coincidental encounters there.

726
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:46,879
Speaker 1: Huh yeah, that's pretty creepy to me. That would make

727
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: me go lock my doors. I agree. So apparently the

728
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: next morning, are in trepid hackers awoke into a knock

729
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: at the door and apparently the system operator for hell

730
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: dot com had reported the I P for unlawful access

731
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 1: to Hell dot com. So xyln X continues. Basically, he

732
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: said it was a like a fed. He thought, I

733
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 1: don't really know. UM apparently confiscated the desktop, which is

734
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: what the original hack had been done on. And apparently

735
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: as this guy walked out the door, he turned around

736
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: and said, careful kids, those who go looking for hell

737
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: tend to find it. This course freaks him out. It

738
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 1: freaked me out, frankly if this happened. So he grabbed

739
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: his laptop and Google's those who go looking for help

740
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: find it, uh, those who see Keller destined to find it,

741
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:44,240
Speaker 1: and claims that he wasn't able to find any results

742
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 1: on Google. And he can see that. You know, like

743
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 1: on any given time, any given date, any any time

744
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,280
Speaker 1: that you google this, there should be a ton of results,

745
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: thousands and thousands and thus maybe millions of results. But

746
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: apparently he says that didn't happen in this instance, which

747
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 1: is kind of bummer. So he basically was like, you

748
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: know what, I'm done. I'm walking away from this whole thing.

749
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: Did you ever get his desktop back from the feed?

750
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:13,919
Speaker 1: I don't think so. No. But reportedly after a couple

751
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 1: of years he moved a couple of times, and in

752
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: the morning of the writing of this post, which is

753
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: kind of what spurred a lot of people to think

754
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 1: this website was like extra creepy, he got a certified

755
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: letter via the ups two from an address in Nevada.

756
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 1: Inside this certified letter was a letter with a single

757
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: phrase written in red. I bet you can guess what

758
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 1: it is. I like red ink. Really this page left

759
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:48,879
Speaker 1: intentionally blank? Okay, no, no, no, wait wait I misread that. Okay,

760
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 1: those who see kel are destined to find it. He

761
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:55,760
Speaker 1: claims he has moved six times to between the hack

762
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 1: and getting this package. So there you go. That's pretty

763
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah. And on the bottom

764
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: of the letter it was signed LCF Was that Lucifer? Probably? Yeah, probably,

765
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: and said psc you soon do do do do do do?

766
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: No creepy Okay, I think it's creepy. Well, it's still alive,

767
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: he is. I spoke with him. Yeah. Actually, that's a

768
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: great segue, um, because we're going to talk about theories

769
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 1: in a minute, but first, let's take a break. It's

770
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: white and fluffy and drifts about so freely. It's red

771
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 1: and sticky and flow so freely. A little bit of

772
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 1: this cold substance gets people's attention. A little bit of

773
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 1: this hot substance gets people's attention. Small amount of this

774
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: crystalline material is quaint. Large amounts are deadly. Small amounts

775
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: of this HEBA glowin based fluid is an annoyance. Large

776
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: amounts are deadly. What does this have to do with

777
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,719
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781
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Speaker 1: The Snowman tells the story of two detectives investigating a

782
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: sociopath who strikes his victims during the first snowfall of winter.

783
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784
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: say it and get scared, and we're back. Let's talk

785
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:35,839
Speaker 1: about theories. Yeah, so, our first theory is that hell

786
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: dot com was actually hiding a secret shadow organization that

787
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe it was like Satan worshippers or

788
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: Illuminati or I don't really know. I've never really seen

789
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: this like totally flushed out a whole lot as to

790
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: like who it might be, just that it might be

791
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: hiding something people like on Reddit that are like, you know,

792
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: saying this, or there are people like all over the

793
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 1: play saying this job really okay? Well, and I mean

794
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: even in its own description and I'm looking for the

795
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: sentence right now, it called itself a private parallel web.

796
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: I mean, whoever created hell dot com was saying, I've

797
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: got something else going on, and you don't get in

798
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,240
Speaker 1: unless you apply for membership and pay me a boatload

799
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 1: of money and your own parallel web and everything I can. Yeah,

800
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: of course you know were there. I mean maybe we

801
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean nobody has ever said I was

802
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 1: a member of the Private Parallel Web the p p P.

803
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: That's not technically not true, but we'll talk about that

804
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: in a little bit part of another theory. Um, I

805
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 1: was wondering about the private Parallel Web. Does that mean

806
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 1: that you and your many of the members all owned

807
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: servers and so it's like totally separate servers from the

808
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:53,280
Speaker 1: rest of the web, even or its own regular service

809
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 1: that are part of the regular web. Also, it would

810
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: be its own a dedicated server or server set, much

811
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: like you know at one point we had our own

812
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 1: server when we overbought at one point, UM, so we

813
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 1: that server was us, nobody else was on it. So

814
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: that's what they would have, is all of their stuff

815
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,240
Speaker 1: would be contained in that one box or a series

816
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 1: of boxes that nobody else's info was housed on. That's

817
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be it wouldn't be like what's the one

818
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: with the ghost Rat that you did devon What is that? Um?

819
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: Remember that one? I do, But I don't remember what

820
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: you're talking about ghost Rat. But they the farious program

821
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,760
Speaker 1: that got a system. But but it was talked about

822
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,879
Speaker 1: how it was on all these separate servers and its

823
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,280
Speaker 1: spidered out or spider webbed out. That would be different

824
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: than this. This sounds like it would have been all

825
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: contained a very well, I mean maybe, But the point

826
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: is it was a private one and you had to

827
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: be able to have the key to get in. Yeah.

828
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: What was the name of that stupid story? You're killing

829
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 1: me here? It was ghost Rat? It was ghost right, Okay,

830
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 1: of the virus or something? Okay. For some reason, I

831
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: thought the name of the story was not I had

832
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: totally forgotten about that one. Have a weird memory for

833
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 1: these stories. I can't remember what I need to do tomorrow,

834
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: which is why I have to do list, but I

835
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: can remember. I also love that you hate these stories

836
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: but you still remember all of them. It's my favorite

837
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: that yea. So I will say, um, there was actually

838
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 1: a member only part of this. Nobody has come out

839
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 1: and said yes and this is what was on it.

840
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: We'll totally come out the really the big question is

841
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: is do you believe the creator of hell dot com

842
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,399
Speaker 1: or do you think that the creator was hiding something else.

843
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 1: So we'll talk about this, but first I do want

844
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: to mention that they're there. Genuinely was amazed in the

845
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 1: root directory, and that was intentionally designed, and apparently it

846
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 1: was unpleasant. Like we've said, we were trying to view

847
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: the source code and it was just like, nope, your

848
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: twenty seconds is up, get out. So amazed, you mean,

849
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 1: it's like just a huge maze of subdirectories and sub

850
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: sub subdirector loop back on it themselves. Like remember the

851
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: October or whatever two thousand eleven one, It had a

852
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: couple of those pages that if you paid attention to

853
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: where it was directing you, you were just going. There

854
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: was pages with with one, two and three or something

855
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: like that, and you would type three, and it would

856
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: bring you back to three page two, and then three

857
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: page three, and then three page four, and there's an

858
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: easier way to one, and it would just keep looping

859
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 1: you around. There's an easier way to describe that, and

860
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: that's that like literally, if you type the wrong thing

861
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 1: into the search box, it would just take you back

862
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: to the landing page. Like that's a search that it

863
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: was the wrong thing, so that would be frustrating. It

864
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:50,399
Speaker 1: sounds like some voicemail trees have been in Yeah right, yeah,

865
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 1: um it is. But it is, like I said, it's

866
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: my understanding that the creator of the site did that

867
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: on purpose to deter people like xylan x, to have,

868
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:01,839
Speaker 1: you know, keep them from hacking site, which makes sense

869
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: to me. The next theory, which we're just going to

870
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 1: talk about. So what was the name of that theory

871
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 1: that we just finished. It's a shadow organization. We're just

872
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,879
Speaker 1: preparing people, I think, because really we're going to talk

873
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 1: about what I probably is and then at the end

874
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 1: of this will loop back around like a maze of

875
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: a root directory and um, we'll just say, like we

876
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: have to. Then you just have to decide if you

877
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,720
Speaker 1: believe that this is what it was or not. Okay,

878
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: So what's theery Number two? The reality just kidding the

879
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 1: blue pill Um, it was just art. That's all it was.

880
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: That's that's all the river was. It was just an

881
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:44,240
Speaker 1: art project. And the whole thing wasn't an art project.

882
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 1: It was I guess to gain mystique around it. But

883
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: the private server, the parallel web was just a place

884
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:56,320
Speaker 1: for net web net netweb net art net artists. This

885
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: is the word. It was a whatever. Uh No, it

886
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 1: was like for modern artists who were trying to explore

887
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: the capabilities of doing web based art. So it was

888
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: a modern deviant art. Yeah, well like an old deviant art.

889
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 1: But like with real Sorry I do not need to

890
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: offend anyone, but with real artists, I find a lot

891
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: of good stuff, and there's some really good stuff on there. Yeah,

892
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: but there is definitely there is the full spectrum. So um,

893
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go ahead and like burst everyone's bubble here.

894
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: I spoke was island x on Reddit as previously mentioned um.

895
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 1: For full disclosure, it is on the subreddit no Sleep,

896
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 1: which is um fiction. It can be fiction. It's not

897
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 1: a requirement that it be, but it's scary stories. It's

898
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,839
Speaker 1: scary stories, so it can be true. It can be fiction. Man.

899
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: I think grinning Man was let's not meet okay, but

900
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: he's also on no Sleep. But it doesn't really matter anyway. Um.

901
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 1: I did speak with island x uh and he he

902
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 1: said that eight percent of that story is fiction. He

903
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: wasn't willing to concede. I said, I think it's and

904
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: he was like eighty percent, and I was like, all right, fine, yeah,

905
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 1: I could tell that was at least mostly fiction. When

906
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: when he says that he does all this and the

907
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: very next morning a FED shows up at his door,

908
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: It's like, I'm sorry, you know, the Feds don't move

909
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: that fast, dude. I I we cut out this part

910
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 1: because I didn't want to like totally give it away immediately.

911
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: But when he like grabbed his laptop, he says, he

912
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 1: grabbed his laptop out of the false bottom of his desk,

913
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: and I was like, no, you didn't you This is

914
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: this is that's not real. But maybe it is. I

915
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe you have your weird I don't know,

916
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 1: but he did just totally was like happy to admit, yes,

917
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,359
Speaker 1: percent of it is fiction and worth the read. It's

918
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 1: really well written. It's fun. What I'm curious about, though,

919
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 1: did so he got into it, noodled around, did he

920
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:13,320
Speaker 1: actually did the part where the sissop deleted his browser

921
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 1: history and all that stuff that that actually happened. That

922
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: didn't correct me if I'm wrong, But he didn't actually

923
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: say is it he or she? By the way, I

924
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: confirmed that's fine. He didn't actually say which parts were

925
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: fictions specifically to you, did he No, he did not,

926
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 1: but he kind of basically said yes, I you know,

927
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:38,479
Speaker 1: got into their member only site. It was pretty lame.

928
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 1: So this is what a story jazz it up a

929
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,439
Speaker 1: little bit, which is totally fair. It's super interesting. Okay,

930
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: So with all of that creepy out of the way,

931
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 1: we're just left with the website, which is still kind

932
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 1: of a weird website. Yeah, that's all it's got forward

933
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,439
Speaker 1: at that point. Yeah, so we mentioned this guy named

934
00:52:56,560 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: Kenneth Aaronsons and then he was the owner and creator

935
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 1: of hell dot com. I will say he tried to

936
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: sell the domain a number of times. Uh, never with

937
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 1: less than a one million minimum on the auctions. Yes, true.

938
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 1: One time, one of the last times before he finally

939
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: did sell it, he tried to auction it off for

940
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: eight million dollars. That did not go well for him.

941
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:30,800
Speaker 1: Didn't nobody, nobody was willing to give him that amount

942
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: of money. Um. I think there they call them reserve bids,

943
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 1: So they're this like secret amount of money that it's

944
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,800
Speaker 1: like when you when you sell something on eBay. And

945
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 1: actually haven't done this a long time, but I know

946
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 1: in the past, there was your reserve limit. You know,

947
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: you wanted to sell this thing for a hundred dollars.

948
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 1: So when some bozo came in and bid one dollar,

949
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 1: it automatically told him somebody's outbid you and two dollars,

950
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 1: and it would keep going like that. You put in

951
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: your dollar thing and it just says reserve not met.

952
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: Most of the sites I've been on are just they've don't.

953
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 1: I've seen it both ways. I just bought something on

954
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 1: eBay and they now they just do like, this is

955
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 1: the minimum bid. Yeah, well yeah, they made it simpler

956
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 1: because it transparent. Yeah, the reserve thing actually annoys the

957
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,359
Speaker 1: crap out of me. You got to go in there

958
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: and actually, you know, bid for a while till you

959
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 1: find out what it is. That's irritating, which is why

960
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: they don't do that anymore. But you can still go

961
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: in and say like, here's my maximum bid, and it

962
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 1: will still only bid you at the minimum bid until

963
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: somebody up bids you. So that's nice at least. But um,

964
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 1: like I said, he did try to sell it for

965
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 1: a lot of money, so he was aware that he

966
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 1: was building up hype to build up hits, to build

967
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 1: up wealth. So describe this dude, because this guy drives

968
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 1: me batty. Why this guy is the kind of designer

969
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: and artists that gives all other designers and artists a

970
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: bad name because he strings together a series of smart

971
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 1: sounding words to make himself sound grand. And yet he has,

972
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 1: apparently from everything he shows, not a whole lot but

973
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 1: himself to offer. Okay, let's talk about him. Um. So,

974
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 1: like we said, if you go to hell dot com

975
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,839
Speaker 1: right now, there's this like really beautiful lime green bar

976
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: at the top of the stop that it says this

977
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: premium domain maybe for sale, and I have seen screen

978
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: captures previously it said legendary and that that is an

979
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 1: important distinction that was made because legendary is actually a

980
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 1: term that Kenneth Aaronson uses. He claims to create legendary brands.

981
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 1: This is all sourced from his own personal website, and

982
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: the logo that he has for his legendary brands is

983
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 1: almost identical to the hell dot com logo. It's just

984
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,320
Speaker 1: an L with an L. But you know what I

985
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 1: figured out is the comic sands l. It is it's

986
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 1: that comics sands L where the top of the vertical

987
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:01,800
Speaker 1: bar run is into the top of the circle. So

988
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: it's not that great of a design. It's literally just

989
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 1: like the hell dot com thing, except for in an

990
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 1: arrow with an l designs and actually work as a

991
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 1: as an artist. I don't really know if he went

992
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 1: to his linked In profile, Oh he does work. I

993
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 1: looked at his my Space page, but it was private.

994
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 1: You think I'm joking. I'm not joking. Active page. So

995
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: I found our interviews with him, but I also found

996
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 1: his LinkedIn page, and he seems to be a high

997
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 1: level consultant, like somebody. I love the way they described him,

998
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 1: like I don't know that he's actually much of a

999
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 1: creative because they're like, he's great at keeping an eye

1000
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:43,800
Speaker 1: on the balance sheet, but still understanding the drive of

1001
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 1: the project or something that. Let me read some sheet.

1002
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 1: I was like, this guy is a project manager himself

1003
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:52,280
Speaker 1: as a design Let me read you some stuff about

1004
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: from his websites plural he If you go to his website,

1005
00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: like I said, you will kind of see what I'm

1006
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 1: talking about here. His brand is full of those like

1007
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 1: edgy sentences, you know, where it's like kind of like

1008
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 1: somebody just threw a bunch of words at something and

1009
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:11,280
Speaker 1: came up with a sentence um. One of them, for instance,

1010
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 1: is shadow is my partner, and we sell nothing. Nothing

1011
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: links to nothing in the box dot com, which is

1012
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 1: a website that he owns where you get a nice

1013
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 1: black background with gray text, which is even more annoying

1014
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 1: than white text. And what's really annoying is like is

1015
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 1: like kind of pale gray text against a slightly darker

1016
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 1: gray background that this is that pale gray exceptorts on

1017
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 1: black so um. And this text says we live in

1018
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 1: society that has been sold the concept that happiness is conditional.

1019
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:46,439
Speaker 1: In order to be happy and fulfilled, you need nothing.

1020
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 1: When everyone has nothing, there will no longer be crime,

1021
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 1: wars or aggression. Stop rampant commercialism, global corporate domain greed,

1022
00:57:54,360 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 1: and be in conscious consumptions, conspicuous consumption by nothing. Every

1023
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: dollar spent on nothing is one last dollar spent on

1024
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: something that you don't need. This guy is high a lot. God,

1025
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 1: I hate him, but I just hate him. This is

1026
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 1: the kind of designer that a guy who you're mad

1027
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 1: you can't even know. No, it really there's there's words

1028
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 1: that I want to use that it It irritates the

1029
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 1: crap out of me because other people see this and

1030
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 1: think well, this is the way that designers are supposed

1031
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 1: to speak and artists are supposed to speak, and then

1032
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 1: they spout stuff and they have no idea what they're saying.

1033
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 1: It's like so many gag movies where you see the

1034
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 1: artists running around just saying that's so high minded and intelligent. Dude, Yeah,

1035
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 1: for so long with then, Yeah, that's what's ironic about

1036
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 1: this guy, as he was trying to sell the site

1037
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: for a million bucks and he's all it sounds like

1038
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 1: most of what he was trying to make himself had

1039
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: to be like liquid his website Liquid. There's all kinds

1040
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 1: of stuff like that on there, but liquid spell liquid

1041
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 1: for our listeners. Oh it's l y q y No,

1042
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 1: there's just the one it l y q i d Yeah.

1043
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 1: Well he's also got he had no Such, No dash

1044
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 1: such dot com, which is now actually a design site

1045
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 1: that's in French, so he obviously sold it, and it

1046
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 1: had at one point when I found it, I think

1047
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 1: it's from two thousand. I winned the archive the way

1048
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 1: back machine and went to No Such and guess what

1049
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 1: I found on it? Hell dot com in a mirror

1050
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 1: image of hell dot com. On that side, he has

1051
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 1: a lot of those sites. So from what I understand

1052
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 1: from like actual interviews with this guy, well, no, the

1053
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 1: members only portion of it was it was meant to

1054
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 1: be this like safe space for edgy artists who were

1055
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 1: trying to create art in a kind of contained atmosphere.

1056
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 1: They wanted to create web art, right art for the

1057
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 1: Internet community, but they wanted to be doing this kind

1058
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: of experimentation phase in a safe space where you're collaborating

1059
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 1: with other artists, which I don't know. They just didn't

1060
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 1: want us to the public to see their crap while

1061
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 1: it was still kind of like you know that big stage. Yeah,

1062
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 1: that's true. Um, there was a hack done of the

1063
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 1: site by a website called like one zero zero one

1064
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 1: zero zeries or one dot org and they basically like

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Speaker 1: mirrored the whole thing and that was I would say

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Speaker 1: it was like two thousand, I think nine ish is

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Speaker 1: when this happened, and so it kind of I think

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01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:36,120
Speaker 1: facilitated the downfall of the hell dot com. It was

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Speaker 1: just random, just random good night boobe, you know, I mean, um, so,

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Speaker 1: I guess the real mystery here is then, is do

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Speaker 1: we believe that that was really what was behind that

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01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:53,919
Speaker 1: members only log in or is there something else, because

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Speaker 1: it also doesn't really totally and I know what I

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01:00:57,920 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 1: know exactly what he was going to say, but I'm

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01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 1: say this anyways, it doesn't really account for all of

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01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 1: the weird front end stuff. Steve now is going to say, well, Devon, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it does because it's just somebody trying to be edgy, Devin.

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Speaker 1: It does because it is somebody trying to hide the

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Speaker 1: portal to their crappy friends website. Fair enough, okay, yeah,

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01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 1: but it's the best way to hide something is to

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01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 1: surrounded by other innocuous looking garbage, and people just go

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01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 1: the heck of a lot of garbage. It could be

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01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 1: so sort of like a virtual clearinghouse for al Quata operatives,

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Speaker 1: you know, to exchange messages. I mean, frankly that but

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Speaker 1: that's more inconspicuous. You are l problem. But that is

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01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 1: the point, right, is that, like we don't really know

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Speaker 1: because it could have been that that member's only portal

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01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 1: was just a top layer for something else. Do I

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01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 1: think that's true? No, hell no, I think that's dumb.

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Speaker 1: But that is some thing that we can't say that

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01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 1: there wasn't and there weren't more layers to this because

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01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 1: as we can see even on what we think is

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01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 1: the surface layer, there are more layers underneath that, between

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01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 1: the surface layer and the members only layer, So who

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01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 1: knows what is like even deeper than that. Again, I

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01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 1: don't think so. I think it's just this guy trying

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Speaker 1: to be like edgy and like on a lot of

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01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:25,920
Speaker 1: drugs and like that's fine. But if there was more there,

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty damn sure that that hack that mirrored it

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Speaker 1: in two thousand nine or whatever it was, we would

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01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 1: have seen that stuff, because don't you get in And

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Speaker 1: I will say the trick with that is that that

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01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 1: hack was carried out by other net artists who may

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01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 1: or may not have been associated and friends with some

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01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 1: of the artists that were members of hell dot com.

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01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:56,920
Speaker 1: So it's this is a fake hack. Yeah, no, No,

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01:02:57,720 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 1: the one zero zero one hack could have been a

1108
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 1: way to drum up more support or interest or whatever.

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01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 1: It sounds way too organized for this. I don't know

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01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 1: that it is. I mean, a guy considering it very

1111
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 1: easily just make a couple of HTML pages a week

1112
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 1: and build this slowly convoluted website. But then to I mean,

1113
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:24,280
Speaker 1: to to facilitate a fake hack on yourself and to

1114
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 1: be able to show it in such a way that

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01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 1: people would believe it. I think that takes a lot

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01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 1: of technical savvy that I don't see in the It

1117
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 1: was just a mirror. It was just a mirror of

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01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 1: the site which he had been doing all over the place.

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01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 1: It was just a mirror of the stuff without log in, right. Well,

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01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 1: but they had gone through the log And that's what

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01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 1: I mean is that it just I don't know it.

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01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 1: It just seems above the ability of what I've seen

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01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 1: here for him to have I guess all I'm saying

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01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 1: is that really all that happened was this group said

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01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:58,439
Speaker 1: I understand. No, they just said they literally just said

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01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 1: we got this because we hacked them. Um. They didn't

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01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 1: say like, here's how we hacked into this, here's how

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01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:05,440
Speaker 1: we got this stuff. They were just like, well, we

1129
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 1: broke in and got it here it is. So it

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01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 1: would have been really easy for him to just mirror that,

1131
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 1: remember the members only pages or whatever, and then have

1132
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 1: them say you know, and then you say, okay, now

1133
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 1: you guys say, well we hacked it, and that's all

1134
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 1: it is. I mean, she had been French connection and

1135
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 1: decided they do it on the internet. Well, I mean,

1136
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:26,200
Speaker 1: he'd been experimenting with mirroring sites. We've proof of that,

1137
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:29,080
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I think a typical hack, it

1138
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 1: would be kind of proud of, like telling us all

1139
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:36,680
Speaker 1: this techniques. Yeah, usually, but no, So I don't know.

1140
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:39,960
Speaker 1: I think I think that hell dot Com is a

1141
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 1: silly mystery, and I don't know why we covered it,

1142
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 1: but there you go. You're missing a theory. What could

1143
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 1: it be? Satan only if Choppy helped. I'm sure Chippy's

1144
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:53,120
Speaker 1: in the mix somewhere. But yeah, I mean that might

1145
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 1: explain the really bad coding. True. Yeah, I think you

1146
01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 1: would think the Satan would have a web page, don't

1147
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:01,120
Speaker 1: you think? I think it's Satan dot Com. It's Microsoft,

1148
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:10,800
Speaker 1: but just kidding Microsoft, something like that, probably, yeah, century

1149
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 1: link dot Com, Yeah, Axfinity dot Com. Yeah, yeah, No,

1150
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:18,160
Speaker 1: I I don't know. I think it's That's how I feel.

1151
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:21,160
Speaker 1: I don't know how you guys feel about this mystery,

1152
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 1: but I don't I think it's kind of a non mystery. Yeah,

1153
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 1: I was about to say, I don't think it's actually

1154
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 1: a mystery. I think that it's a tale. But here's

1155
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 1: what I will say is that I only came to

1156
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 1: the conclusion of it not being a mystery by doing

1157
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:37,240
Speaker 1: a ton of research about it, you know what I mean? Mystery?

1158
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:40,160
Speaker 1: So we really need to cancel this and do another mystery. Okay,

1159
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 1: so hold on, everybody will be right back. Hey guys,

1160
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 1: welcome to another episode of thank You. That would be

1161
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 1: a miserable. What else you got? That's it? Alright? Do

1162
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:55,000
Speaker 1: you guys have any input and that stuff? I'm just

1163
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 1: gonna say hell a few more times. Hell No, I

1164
01:05:57,600 --> 01:05:59,680
Speaker 1: got nothing more? Great? What the hell have we been

1165
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 1: doing the whole time? Uh? So, if you want to

1166
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:06,479
Speaker 1: see that logo and for whatever reason, it's not pulling

1167
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 1: into your feed, If you want to see some of

1168
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:11,080
Speaker 1: the links that we have that we did research on

1169
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:14,120
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1170
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:16,840
Speaker 1: to download the episodes, you can head to our website.

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01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 1: That website is Thinking Sideways podcast dot com. You can

1172
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 1: find us on social media. We've got the Facebook page

1173
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1174
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Speaker 1: We have a Twitter which is Thinking Sideways, and we

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01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:34,640
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Speaker 1: comments on the last post, so look at that it's

1178
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1179
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1182
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1186
01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 1: And if you want to talk to us about our

1187
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 1: explicit use of the word hell in this episode hell

1188
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:19,000
Speaker 1: would they want to do that? I don't know, man

1189
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 1: um or if you have any suggestions, comments, concerns, anything,

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1192
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Speaker 1: every email, almost every email. Eventually. It's been taking us

1193
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Speaker 1: about a week, but how can I do it? A

1194
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 1: hell of a long time backed up right now, we're

1195
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 1: catching up. All of that having been said, I think

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01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:42,240
Speaker 1: we're going to get on out of here, get the

1197
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:44,680
Speaker 1: hell out of here. Oh yeah, yeah, we'll see you

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Speaker 1: in hell hell yeah. Hack