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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: to have you. If you missed our interview with Congresswoman

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Speaker 1: Lauren Bobert of Colorado, she got a lot of attention

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Speaker 1: It's quick, about twenty minutes long and well worth elicit

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Speaker 1: if you want a very brief rundown of the day's events. So,

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Speaker 1: the situation in Ukraine is as follows. You have over

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Speaker 1: eight hundred and seventy thousand Ukrainians reportedly have fled the country.

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Speaker 1: The Russian military convoy is continuing to snake its way

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Speaker 1: toward Kiev, the capital city. There are very heightened concerns

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Speaker 1: about a siege of the capital, as well as the

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Speaker 1: escalation of Russian strikes that are hitting civilian targets. And

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Speaker 1: there's even accusations already that the Russians are specifically in

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Speaker 1: some cases targeting civilian areas and going after not just

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Speaker 1: critical infrastructure and military but other civilian targets of opportunity

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Speaker 1: as they see it. We had been wondering when we

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Speaker 1: were going to get an official Russian Ministry of Defense

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Speaker 1: update on casualties clay over the weekend. The numbers we

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Speaker 1: were seeing were in the neighborhood of between three and

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Speaker 1: four thousand Russians kill. That seemed too high to me.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's no way the Russian military would be

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Speaker 1: able to sustain three or four thousand dead a week

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Speaker 1: for the duration of a conflict that could likely go

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Speaker 1: on from months here. I mean they could, They could

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Speaker 1: handle it by numbers, but not politically at home putin

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Speaker 1: would that's far? Do you mean? They lost fifteen thousand

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Speaker 1: in a decade in Afghanistan by way of comparison, and

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Speaker 1: we know what a disaster that was for the Soviets.

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Speaker 1: The Russian Defense Ministry has said four hundred and ninety

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Speaker 1: eight of its soldiers have been killed in Ukraine, with

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Speaker 1: almost sixteen hundred wounded. Those numbers do seem pretty close

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Speaker 1: to those those are pretty now. Look, maybe they may

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Speaker 1: be underplaying it, to be sure, but yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: when you're talking about sixteen hundred casualties all in, when

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Speaker 1: you're talking killed and wounded as well killed and wounded

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Speaker 1: together two thousand in a week, that then does correspond

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Speaker 1: with what we've seen, which is a lot of footage

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Speaker 1: of these convoys, armored personnel carriers, tanks being hit by

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Speaker 1: Ukrainian resistance and those Javelin anti tank missiles and the

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Speaker 1: other armaments that have been sent the Ukrainians in recent years. Notably,

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Speaker 1: I would add by the Trump administration, over the objections

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Speaker 1: of previous previous Obama administration officials, they're certainly causing serious

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Speaker 1: problems for the Russians. Clay, here's the big question we've got.

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Speaker 1: We don't know which way this is going right now.

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Speaker 1: Is Putin losing fast enough and heavily enough that maybe

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Speaker 1: he is rethinking, or are we still in the early

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Speaker 1: phase of a conflict that is just about to ramp

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Speaker 1: up dramatically, and therefore the Ukrainian casualties will get much higher,

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Speaker 1: and Putin is in this for the long run, no

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Speaker 1: matter what the costs look like. In this early stage.

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Speaker 1: I'm hearing people go back and forth on this obviously

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Speaker 1: tremendously different outcomes depending on which one of those is

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Speaker 1: the likelier scenario, and I'm going to say it's I

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Speaker 1: tend to think that the Russians have been underestimated up

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Speaker 1: to this point in terms of their dedication to the

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Speaker 1: conquest of at least eastern Ukraine. That's sense, But the

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Speaker 1: Ukrainians are clearly putting up a really serious fight. I mean,

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Speaker 1: over two thousand casualties for the Russians. That's a lot,

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Speaker 1: no doubt, And if the Russians are admitting that, it's

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Speaker 1: probably likely that that's the low end, right, the Ukrainian

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Speaker 1: number probably the high end. The truth probably somewhere in

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Speaker 1: the middle. But that is a substantial loss of manpower.

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Speaker 1: And the question that really begs to be asked is

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Speaker 1: what is Vladimir Putin's end game here? Because let's presume

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Speaker 1: that if he continues to push his forces into Ukraine,

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Speaker 1: at some point you would think the raw numbers would

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Speaker 1: lead to his being able to seize Kiev and these

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Speaker 1: other cities that he's attempting to take control of. But

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Speaker 1: what does control look like Ukraine is the size of Texas.

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Speaker 1: So is Putin going to commit one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: thousand troops long range in order to basically be police

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Speaker 1: power there? And then what sort of long term consequences

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Speaker 1: is he willing to accept in terms of the cost

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Speaker 1: of that occupation and also buck the cost of that

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Speaker 1: occupation plus the loss of men and materials that will continue,

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Speaker 1: because I think you're going to continue to see Ukrainian

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Speaker 1: citizens firing away potshots here and there, taking out troops,

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Speaker 1: throwing Molotov cocktails, ending and ending lives, and ending the

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Speaker 1: use of so many different apparatus of war there. So

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Speaker 1: how does this end for Putin in any way other

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Speaker 1: than a loss? Because that's the way I'm already looking

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Speaker 1: ahead for is there are many ways this thing could end.

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Speaker 1: Russia could decide, hey, you know what's not worth it.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna into some sort of negotiated settlement, claim that

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Speaker 1: we got what we wanted and pull out. But it

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Speaker 1: doesn't seem to me buck like this has any possibility

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Speaker 1: of ending in a positive direction. For Vladimir Putin. The

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Speaker 1: question is just what's the time frame? So here's what

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Speaker 1: I think, and this goes into the analytic prediction category. Right,

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Speaker 1: here's what I think Putin is trying to get out

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Speaker 1: lot of conflicting reporting about everything right now. The Russian

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Speaker 1: morale for the troops is super low. The Russians have

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Speaker 1: barely begun to fight. The Ukrainians feel like they can

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Speaker 1: keep this going for months. The Ukrainians feel like once

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Speaker 1: the artillery comes in and close air support from the

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Speaker 1: Russians are pounding them, it's just a matter of days

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Speaker 1: before they have to capitulate. So you're getting you're seeing

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Speaker 1: reporting and debates about the reporting on both sides of

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Speaker 1: these major equations. Here's what I think is happening, or rather,

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Speaker 1: here's where I think Putin wants to happen. I'd say

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Speaker 1: that this is his endgame as I see it, and

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Speaker 1: I could be wrong and we'll see, but he's going

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Speaker 1: to encircle Key if that's obviously underway right now, he's

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Speaker 1: going to encircle Kee. I be pounding the capital city

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Speaker 1: and they're going to be turning up the pressure and

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Speaker 1: they'll be mounting casualties and also destruction of critical infrastructure

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Speaker 1: and military and security units in the rest of Ukraine

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Speaker 1: going on. So they'll be strengthening the Russian bargaining position

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Speaker 1: the eastern part of Ukraine for all intents and purposes.

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Speaker 1: In Putin's mind, the Dunbas region is Russia. That is

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Speaker 1: now the Russian Federation. Russian passports have been given out

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Speaker 1: no way. That's why he said from the very beginning

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Speaker 1: he's recognizing them as independent states or recognizing their independence.

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Speaker 1: They're part of Russia. In any negotiation, I think that

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Speaker 1: will be immovable for Vladimir Putin. The part of Ukraine

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Speaker 1: quote unquote peacekeeping or protectorate zone. They'll keep military there,

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Speaker 1: they'll say, in order to protect Russian speaking minorities and

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Speaker 1: for stabilization during the ceasefires and negotiations that will be

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Speaker 1: government under Zelenski to effectively capitulate to full Russian control

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Speaker 1: of the Don Boss a Russian buff buffer's state if

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Speaker 1: Deneper River area in Ukraine, and then their give essentially

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Speaker 1: the concession will be the end of open hostilities in

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Speaker 1: warfare with the end of the invasion effectively, and they'll

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Speaker 1: give the western part of Ukraine to some sort of

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Speaker 1: power sharing or they'll break that down and say, well,

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Speaker 1: that can effectively be what the old Ukraine was at

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Speaker 1: some level with this new government going on rights. And

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Speaker 1: that's how I see it happening, because I don't believe

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Speaker 1: that Putin thinks he can expand all across the entire

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Speaker 1: country and maintain that. But what he does have here

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Speaker 1: is there's Ukrainian speaking Ukrainians and Russian speaking Ukrainians in

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Speaker 1: his mind, and if he can separate those out Gia

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Speaker 1: araphically and in terms of a political notion as well,

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Speaker 1: it's effectively a divide and conquer strategy in Stages Clay,

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Speaker 1: That's what I think he's going to do instead of

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Speaker 1: going for the whole country. If he can get there militarily,

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Speaker 1: which is a huge unanswered question that I can't I

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Speaker 1: don't know how that goes. I think the other question

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Speaker 1: that a lot of people are debating, and we should

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Speaker 1: How does Zolensky play into this? Because you know, the

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Speaker 1: way that people respond to issues like these, buck is

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Speaker 1: they become attached to stories, and they become attached to

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Speaker 1: the individual story. And Zolensky has become a hero of

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Speaker 1: much of the Western world and frankly off much of

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Speaker 1: the world in general. How does putin finesse that because

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Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like Zolenski is going to walk away

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Speaker 1: so far in incredible danger. And what is Russia going

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Speaker 1: there's a big debate about whether that's going to happen

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Speaker 1: Climate change ideology comes with very high costs, and I

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Speaker 1: also clay when you think about it. But to the

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Speaker 1: a global scale. They're often countries that have been essentially

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Speaker 1: economically one trick ponies, right, Russia is the biggest one

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Speaker 1: that comes to mind. Saudi Arabia got away with a

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Speaker 1: lot for a long time because of its oil reserves

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Speaker 1: and still does to this day. Venezuela obviously was funding

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Speaker 1: it's insane. Venezuela ran an experiment. If we have a

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Speaker 1: lot of free money in the ground, and we take

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Speaker 1: a more Marxist approach, can we ruin an economy that's

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Speaker 1: basically sitting on a giant ATM machine. And the answer

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Speaker 1: is yes, Socialism can even ruin That largest proven oil

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Speaker 1: reserves in the world is actually Venezuela, not Saudi Arabia.

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Speaker 1: So keep that in mind when you see that people

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Speaker 1: are on the Maduro the quote maduro diet, there of

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Speaker 1: essentially slow starvation because they can't get food. We know

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Speaker 1: that a lot of the bad actors in the world

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Speaker 1: stage rely on fossil fuels to prop up their regime,

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Speaker 1: to pay for their militaries. So when gas prices are high,

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Speaker 1: those places become more belligerent, they become more willing to

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Speaker 1: take risks, and including what we're seeing right now in Russia.

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Speaker 1: And if even if you want to be somebody who thinks, oh,

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Speaker 1: climate change, we have to take this series, we have

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Speaker 1: to take this more seriously. The only adult way to

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Speaker 1: try to limit CO two emissions in a meaningful way

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Speaker 1: is nuclear power, which European countries, particularly France, are ahead

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Speaker 1: of the US on because they haven't had the same

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Speaker 1: some of the same environmentalist wackos calling the shots over

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Speaker 1: there that they have here, but nuclear power, it's not windmills.

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Speaker 1: So I mean the client not only is the climate

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Speaker 1: change catastrophe theory I think just wrong on the merits.

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Speaker 1: And in ten years they'll be saying, oh, we only

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Speaker 1: have ten years. And in ten years after that, oh,

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Speaker 1: we know that we've They've done this before. Go back

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Speaker 1: and watch the Al Gore movie and Inconvenient Truth. But aside,

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Speaker 1: if they were serious about it, we'll be talking about

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Speaker 1: nuclear and these decisions have massive national security implications for

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Speaker 1: US and all of the world, no doubt, and the

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Speaker 1: fact that we're not willing to have those conversations in

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Speaker 1: a detailed fashion. Oh, it's great for you to change

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Speaker 1: your social media profile picture to the Ukrainian flag, but

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Speaker 1: ultimately there are hard choices that are required, and you

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Speaker 1: have to balance what you may want to do if

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Speaker 1: you are a Democrat when it comes to the Green

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Speaker 1: New Deal and it comes to climate change, and energy spending,

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Speaker 1: and the reality that those choices that we make in

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Speaker 1: this country and that europe is making are enabling empowering

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Speaker 1: places like Russia. And if we're not willing to cut

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Speaker 1: off the oil and gas pigot from Russia, then frankly,

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Speaker 1: we aren't going to be able to destroy the economy

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Speaker 1: of Russia. We're just not because they're still going to

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Speaker 1: be bringing in at least half of their overall resources

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Speaker 1: in that respect. And just keep in mind, they're they're

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Speaker 1: assuming for everyone out there. They're assuming that all the

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Speaker 1: economic actions we've taken against something. Look look at we

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Speaker 1: haven't normalized relations with Iran, you know since nineteen seventy nine, right,

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Speaker 1: and we've been we haven't had diplomatic relations with Iran

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Speaker 1: for decades now. The Russians are assuming that when this

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Speaker 1: is done, there will be normal diplomatic just because of

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Speaker 1: how important their energy and just geographically and from a

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Speaker 1: national security perspective, the Russians think they're too big to

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Speaker 1: isolate over the long term, too big to fail, that's

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Speaker 1: too big to fail, and so in the short term

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Speaker 1: they're willing to take a lot of pain and they're

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Speaker 1: will and when I say they I'm talking about the

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Speaker 1: Ussian leadership, not the Russian people, who clearly are going

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Speaker 1: to suffer a lot from all of this and with

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Speaker 1: no actual say in the discussion. To the end, we

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Speaker 1: should talk a little bit about some of these efforts

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Speaker 1: to take action against Russians and weird ways all of

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Speaker 1: the world, people pouring out their vodka and this stuff.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I remember the freedom Fries moment in two

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Speaker 1: thousand and three where we weren't supposed to say French fries,

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Speaker 1: and that was just because the French premier was not willing.

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Speaker 1: You know what, was it just Shirak Jacques Shirac was

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Speaker 1: not willing to go along with us and the coalition

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Speaker 1: of the willing. So now we was supposed to be

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Speaker 1: freedom Fries. There are people who are actually boycotting French

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Speaker 1: restaurants in New York City. This actually happened, only to

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Speaker 1: find out that it was owned by an American and

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Speaker 1: it was all employed. They just were serving French cuisine. Yes,

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Speaker 1: so we gotta we gotta also maintain the degree of

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Speaker 1: seriousness about actions that are going to be taken here

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Speaker 1: in the homeland. With regard to the situation in Ukraine,

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Speaker 1: I saw a lot of a lot of flag pins

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Speaker 1: and such last night of the stay even I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's fine, but Ukrainian flag pin, No, no US flag pin?

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Speaker 1: Remember of Congress. I think that's people might say, hmm,

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Speaker 1: how about do you think people would wear Taiwan flags

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Speaker 1: if China invaded? Even better question, No, I don't. Actually

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Speaker 1: I think a lot. I think a lot of people

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Speaker 1: would be too scared to do that. Our elites and

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Speaker 1: among the apparatus in this country. We'll come back into that.

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Speaker 1: It's a it's a very good point. You and I

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Speaker 1: the top of the third hour of the program. He's

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Speaker 1: running for the Senate in Pennsylvania highly competitive Republican primary.

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Speaker 1: There By the way, Buck the Texas primaries for Republicans

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Speaker 1: and Democrats. Happened yesterday first primary of the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: two calendar year, and we are officially lined up for

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Speaker 1: Greg Abbott against Beato. There are gonna be some runoffs

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Speaker 1: in other other different races, but that's gonna be fascinating

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Speaker 1: to look as those numbers come out and we see

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Speaker 1: how much of a continued shift the Hispanic vote has

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Speaker 1: moved in the direction of Republicans. Because some of the

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Speaker 1: early turnout numbers I saw from down particularly south along

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Speaker 1: the border in Texas, Republicans were continuing to make monster gains.

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Speaker 1: Remember that was one of the areas that flipped the

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Speaker 1: from Hillary Clinton in sixteen to Donald Trump in twenty.

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Speaker 1: Pretty extraordinary to see there now. I was asking the

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Speaker 1: question as we went to break you saw a lot

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Speaker 1: of people at the State of the Union wearing the

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Speaker 1: Ukraine flags lapel pins. If China invades Taiwan, will we

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Speaker 1: see the same level of national support for Taiwan that

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Speaker 1: we are seeing right now for Ukraine Or do you

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Speaker 1: think a lot of the big businesses out there, the apples,

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Speaker 1: the disneys, the athletes, the politicians will all of a

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Speaker 1: sudden get a lot quieter about the battle for democracy

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Speaker 1: versus autocracy when China and Taiwan are involved. Soviets relied

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Speaker 1: on fellow travelers and ideological sympathy with communism to get

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Speaker 1: at least take a soft tone toward Soviet belligerents, and

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Speaker 1: it worked to a degree. The Chinese have replaced that

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Speaker 1: with they're not they don't care whether you like CCP ideology.

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Speaker 1: Very few people in the West could even begin to

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Speaker 1: describe what Chinese Communist Party ideology is. Really. It's not

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Speaker 1: classical communism in any meaningful sense, but it's just a talitarianism,

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Speaker 1: which actually is classical communism. But that's a whole other conversation.

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Speaker 1: Clay the economic ties that China has into the particularly

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Speaker 1: the elites in this country, major corporations, it's just so

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Speaker 1: powerful that I think you'd see a replay of what's

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Speaker 1: already gone on. How many people even talk about Hong

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Speaker 1: Kong anymore. Remember when that was a thing, Hong Kong singing,

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Speaker 1: star spangled banner and American flags. Hong Kongers were out

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Speaker 1: there on the streets and they were they were about

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Speaker 1: their freedom, and yeah, I know, China got their way.

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Speaker 1: Russia is a convenient villain, and I can't help but

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Speaker 1: think that. I don't know if you noticed this, but

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Speaker 1: Apple announced they're no longer going to sell their phones

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Speaker 1: and their products in Russia. They make all of their

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Speaker 1: products basically in China. I wish they would bring their

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Speaker 1: production to the United States. FIFA, you play the FIFA

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Speaker 1: Soccer game. My boys love the FIFA Soccer game. It's

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Speaker 1: wildly popular for those of you out there that are

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Speaker 1: familiar with video games at all. Buck they're pulling all

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Speaker 1: the Russian teams off of the FIFA a game. This

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Speaker 1: is pretty wild to me again because they are trying

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Speaker 1: to stand up to Russia. Russia has now been banned

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Speaker 1: from the World Cup at least for now, as this

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Speaker 1: invasion is going on of Ukraine, and they're gonna pull

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Speaker 1: the teams off of the video game. I mean, it

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Speaker 1: just feels very strange to me. Again, you can support Ukraine,

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Speaker 1: but to pull them off a sports video game, to

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Speaker 1: not be selling Apple products in the country, all of

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Speaker 1: this feels And Disney now has said, hey, we're not

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Speaker 1: going to release our movies, the New Batman movies, not

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Speaker 1: going to be released as well. I don't know how

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Speaker 1: good that's going to be anyway, with Robert Pattison as

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Speaker 1: the dark dark Night there. But it's really strange to

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Speaker 1: see all these American capitalistic corporations that are in bed

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Speaker 1: with China suddenly say, oh, we're not doing anything with Russia.

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Speaker 1: It's amazing to watch this play out. When you want,

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Speaker 1: we all understand that we accept autocracies as a country

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Speaker 1: in a lot of parts of the world that we

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Speaker 1: have allies that are autocracies, and so yeah, stopping the

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Speaker 1: violence in Ukraine is is different. But you didn't see

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Speaker 1: the same level of response. You haven't seen this end

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Speaker 1: level of response in other situations where there was an

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Speaker 1: aggressive invasion of a country, and of course there have

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Speaker 1: been Western backed rest of invasions of countries play I

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Speaker 1: have to say, you know, I have a friend who

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Speaker 1: particularly favorable toward Russians. And she told me once though,

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Speaker 1: always beware that nothing brings the Russian people together like suffering. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that was her analysis of it. And I note right

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Speaker 1: now we have a lot of Russians who are initially

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Speaker 1: coming out against against the invasion on the streets, thousansands

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Speaker 1: and thousands of them. If we punish the whole Russian population.

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Speaker 1: Sanctions don't really punish Putin very well, not personally. It

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Speaker 1: does punish people on the streets. It punishes you know,

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Speaker 1: a school teacher in Moscow or you know a mechanic

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Speaker 1: in Saint Petersburg, and they may start to feel like

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Speaker 1: they're under siege from the rest of the world, and

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Speaker 1: they could be pushed into backing Putin in a way

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Speaker 1: that I don't think people necessarily anticipate. So we got

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Speaker 1: to worry about unintended consequences here with all this, we

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Speaker 1: got doctor Oz who's running for Senate coming up next

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Speaker 1: stick around Sleet, Travis and Buck Sexton on the front

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Speaker 1: lines of truth m