1 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:12,319 Speaker 1: A centeral is the protection of I heard radio. When 2 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: a song just hits you, it's a powerful thing. But 3 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 1: what if this song that you just discovered and can't 4 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:24,799 Speaker 1: get enough of it was a mystery. You don't know 5 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: who wrote it, you don't know who performed it, and 6 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: you have no evidence to go on. You just have 7 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: the music looping endlessly, asking questions but answering none. That's 8 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: the plot of this episode of the Nickelodeon show Pete 9 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 1: and Pete. Sometimes you don't find a favorite song, sometimes 10 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: it finds you. And it's also what happened to master 11 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: collector Bob Purse at Chicago's Mammoth Music Mart sale. The 12 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: Mammoth Music Mark started sometime in the late seventies and 13 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: ran for years to two thousand and two. It was 14 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: run by a charity that was seeking funds for a 15 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 1: Luke Garritter's these Als research. There's a history of having 16 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 1: these Mammoth tent sales in Chicago. I don't know what 17 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: they do elsewhere, But if you can imagine a tent 18 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 1: the size of a good sized Catholic church inside filled 19 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: with nothing but recorded music music related things like instruments, 20 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: sheet music, any format of music that's been released. They 21 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:37,479 Speaker 1: would have records, cassetts, a track, and real real tape. 22 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 1: In the vastness of the mammoth tent, there was no 23 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: telling what you might find. Everything at the A L 24 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: S Sale was something somebody donated for resale at this sale. 25 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: So if somebody had a pile of home recorded seventy 26 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: eights from Grandma that nobody had played in thirty years, 27 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: they might all just get donated. I started going there 28 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: in eight five or nine, and that was right around 29 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: the time that I was starting to develop a real 30 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 1: interest in real real tapes that might contain people's home 31 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: recordings or other if emra are vengeance recordings and things 32 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: that weren't regularly available. For Bob, this was like being 33 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: a kid in a candy store. It's one of the 34 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: biggest portion of my collection real real tapes has come from, 35 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 1: with the exception of the last few years when I've 36 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: been able to get things on eBay in large parcels. 37 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 1: But on eBay, I'm not able to pick and choose 38 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: what I want based on what I see on the tapes. 39 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:36,399 Speaker 1: I have to just get the parcels if they look good. 40 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 1: At the Man of Music Market, they were there on 41 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 1: the shelf. You could look at each one of them 42 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 1: and they were a bucket piece. Bob narrowed has searched 43 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: down by a few criteria. First of all, they had 44 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 1: to be old. I don't know whether it's just me 45 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: because I grew up in the sixties that nothing after 46 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 1: about the mid sixties is that much of interest to me, 47 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: or if it's because after the mid sixties there's so 48 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:00,959 Speaker 1: much that you can hear. There's TV shows from the 49 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: late sixties and seventies. Radio is not that rare, but 50 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: getting recordings of things from prior to that period is 51 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: often something rare, and its terms of personal life families. 52 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: I know what that was like in the sixties and seventies. 53 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,519 Speaker 1: I didn't go through it earlier. So for whatever reason, 54 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: I tend to look for stuff that I can tell 55 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:22,679 Speaker 1: is probably from before the at least nineteen seventy or 56 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: the mid sixties. And I learned how to do that 57 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: by learning which tapes and which designs on which tape 58 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 1: boxes come from which different eras. So the first thing 59 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: I was looking for was something that was probably at 60 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: that point in the mid eighties, at least twenty years old, 61 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: and I could I could most of the time figure 62 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: that out one major category it could be eliminated off 63 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: the bat. I was discarding anything that indicated that it 64 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: had somebody's record collection on it, or had classical music, 65 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: or had some sort of radio recording that would not 66 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: be of interest to me. And then he'd scoured the 67 00:03:56,720 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: labels for what was or wasn't written on them. If 68 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: something was particularly old and had no writing on it, 69 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: that would snap that up. If something had someone's personal 70 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: writing on it that indicated there might be family recordings 71 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: on it, I would always get that. If something indicated 72 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: that it had some sort of top forty or talk 73 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: radio or old time radio on it from the golden age, 74 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 1: I would get that. And if something just looked intriguing 75 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: because of something unusual about it, I might get that. 76 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: Systematic as this was, Bob was still looking for needles 77 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 1: and haystacks. The majority of the tapes I did not get, 78 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: and probably at least a third of the tapes that 79 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: I would buy it turned out to be nothing of interest. 80 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: With eBay. Now, when I do the same thing, that 81 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: way a good percentage and then turn not to be 82 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: things that I'm not interested in. But going back to 83 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: a l S. I could look at each tape individually, 84 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 1: and it wasn't that much of a crapshoot because they 85 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 1: were a bucket piece. And I could easily walk out 86 00:04:56,640 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 1: of there with year sixty tapes and potentially go back 87 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: of the LFCL lasted ten days, go back four days 88 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: later and there'd be a completely new selection, and I'll 89 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: get more. In addition to tapes, he would look for 90 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: acetate seventy eight, and one faithful day he came across 91 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: an inconspicuous selection. It said nothing on it, and it 92 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 1: clearly had been recorded, which intrigued me. That's something I 93 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: would get every time I listened to it. Probably within 94 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. Have got a reputation that ain't good. 95 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 1: Just seemed to think that arts are made. Would he 96 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:47,919 Speaker 1: can't seem just like to a love never good? You 97 00:05:48,040 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: have got to change that reputation. From that day has 98 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 1: I could tell that the one side must be called reputations, 99 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: because you've heard the song and there's no other possible 100 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 1: name for that song. The other side had sort of 101 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 1: a jump blues rock and roll to comparently the same 102 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: guitarists and all men singing. I dream I gave you 103 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 1: it just blue like any fire. The title of the 104 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: song was not apparent to me. That could have been 105 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: several things. You didn't really grab me that much, but 106 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: it was. It was still interesting. It was clearly a 107 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 1: a group of guys that were used to singing together. 108 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 1: You be that kind of At the time, I wrote 109 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: on the label what did I dream of? Which is 110 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: the first line of the song, and put a question 111 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,040 Speaker 1: mark next to it because I had no idea, And 112 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: then I wrote reputation on the on the other side. 113 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: And I listened to it and I enjoyed it. Um. 114 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: I was not fully intrigued by it at that point. 115 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, that's kind of neat. I listened 116 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: to it several times this, by the way, and the 117 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: avenues for sharing his findings were limited. This is shortly 118 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: before I went online, and certainly before I was making 119 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: MP three's of anything, So I probably played it for 120 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: those friends who I thought would also dig it. Yeah, 121 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: that's a neat little song here. You want to hear 122 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: something I found at the l sale. Cool, So I 123 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: probably had it out for a little while. But yeah, 124 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: it eventually ended up in a been in some sort 125 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: with other seventy eight. That's kind of the end of 126 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: that piece of the story. The first home recording technology 127 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: dates back to the nineteen thirties, before there was home 128 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: real for real, and for several years after there was, 129 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: people had machines of home that would record seventy eight 130 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: on ascetate to keep things straight, and acetate is quite 131 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: a bit different than your standard seventy eight is going 132 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: to be usually a big hard piece of shellac, But 133 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: that's got a pre printed label on it and was 134 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: produced by a record jumping right, and if you drop it, 135 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: it's gonna shatter. An ascetate it's more often than not 136 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: a little bit flexible, very thin, and would probably bounce 137 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: off the carpet. They're not necessarily fragile. The name is 138 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: in fact a total misnomber, as ascetates contain no actual ascetate. 139 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: Most commonly, it's an aluminum core coated with a special lacquer. 140 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: These were blank discs manufactured for instantaneous recording and playback. 141 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: They were cutting all different sizes thirty three and manufactured 142 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: in a range of qualities. You could put one on 143 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 1: your turntable and play it like a regular record, but 144 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 1: not too many times On the other hand, the coding 145 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: of them, the actual recording, if they're not taking care of, 146 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: could easily flake off in your left with a blank 147 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 1: piece or whatever was underneath it. That seems to depend 148 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: on the quality of the material used and how well 149 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: it's been stored. When ascetate definitely has a life on it, 150 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 1: that might be forty plays, might be might be a 151 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: hundred plays, but it's not gonna last as long as 152 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:23,719 Speaker 1: ascetates for us to document speeches, aid in transcription, make 153 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:27,599 Speaker 1: test recordings, and dubbed demos, it was studio specific technology 154 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: until the first home recorders were released. Around people were 155 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: able to get essentially a disc cutting machine, and you 156 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: could buy blank ascetates. There was one setting you put 157 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: it onto record, another one you put it onto play, 158 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: and when you push record and you put the stylus down, 159 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: it recorded direct to just the same way it might 160 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: in a regular studio. You find the same thing on 161 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: ascetates that you find unreal the real You find people's 162 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: recordings off the radio, You find people talking around the house, 163 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: you hear people playing music for it. That was the 164 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: only way people had to record at home. Home recording 165 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: is likely to take the country by storm as soon 166 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: as the public awakens to its possibilities. Parents would like 167 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: to preserve the voices of their children, and children, in 168 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: turn will be anxious to preserve the voices of their 169 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 1: parents and grandparents, so that the spoken word will remain 170 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: after the little folks have grown up or the old 171 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: have gone. Presenting the new r C A radio La only, 172 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:32,079 Speaker 1: this technology was hardly accessible to all, only two five 173 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 1: dollars just two round four grand in today's money. With 174 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: the economic crash of the Great Depression and the material 175 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 1: shortages of the Second World War, home recording was limited 176 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 1: to those who could afford it. But as the thirties 177 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,679 Speaker 1: moved into the forties, products like the recordio and the 178 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: voice agraph crept into the middle class. The next format 179 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: to enjoy a brief heyday in home recording worked by 180 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 1: magnetizing wire. Wire recorders recorded the sense of the same 181 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: way the real The real tree of wire wire recording 182 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: is one of the most first, still and fascinating methods 183 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: that found recording instructions. Before operating your model lady wire recorded, 184 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: read the following general instructions. But both technologies would be 185 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: eclipsed by a wartime discovery real the real tape was 186 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: discovered by the Allies after World War Two. The German 187 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: b As Corporation is the is the current name of 188 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:30,199 Speaker 1: the company that developed it. That's right. Early tape recorders, 189 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: like the magnetophone were Nazi technology. During the war. Allied 190 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: soldiers listening in to German a M radio broadcasts marveled 191 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: at the lengthy musical selections. Seventy eight could only go 192 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: for three to four minutes, and a reel of tape 193 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 1: could go at that time for about fifteen minutes. Either 194 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:52,319 Speaker 1: these were around the clock live performances, or the Nazis 195 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 1: had invented a better technology. Real to Real was brought 196 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: to the United States, where it caught the eye if 197 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:04,599 Speaker 1: none other than bing Cross, populists, or even a songwriter. 198 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: Impressed with the possibilities, Crosby invested seed money in Ampex, 199 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:14,199 Speaker 1: a California electronics company which pioneered tape devices for commercial use. 200 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:18,079 Speaker 1: One of the world's most astonishing and first of all devices, 201 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: an Ampex tape bid with early adopters like Crosby and 202 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: guitarist Les Paul. Tape would become the standard for studio recording, 203 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: but in home recording they were again available to a 204 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 1: very limited audience, mostly real. The real recorders became popular, 205 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: i want to say, among the wealthy and the well 206 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,959 Speaker 1: to do in the early the mid fifties fifty four, 207 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:47,319 Speaker 1: and exploded in that population in six with the introduction 208 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: of stereo, which was two full years before it was vinyl. 209 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: If you look at how much they cost them and 210 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 1: do an inflation calculator, a single tape was been like 211 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 1: seventy five dollars in today's money, so you get an 212 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: idea of who was buying these things. Hence the rarity 213 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 1: of home recordings from this period and Bob's fascination with 214 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: them when I was little. Nobody else had their families 215 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: earlier recordings on tape. But it's just it wasn't the thing. 216 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 1: It got to be a thing that machines got smaller 217 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 1: and smaller, and more and more people had them. But 218 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: I never have known anybody that had recordings from their 219 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: family in which is where our capes started. Well, the 220 00:13:31,200 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: other those last they any comber Jackson. My family bought 221 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: a real to real machine. My dad got one at 222 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: what must have been an exorbitant price for you know, 223 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: he would have been married for four years. He was 224 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: he was still early in his career, and it must 225 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:15,319 Speaker 1: have cost quite a bit of money. It was a 226 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: former studio model made by the Concert Tone Company. As 227 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: the decades moved on, the technology did what you might expect, 228 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: it got smaller and cheaper. The concert tone machine I 229 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: talked about was about fifty pounds and measures about two 230 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: ft by three feet, but when we got to replace 231 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: that was about a foot square and probably weighed five pounds. 232 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: And at that point home recording was quite common. I 233 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: have hundreds of tapes in my collections from probably maybe 234 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: around fifty eight onwards. I would say fifty seven or 235 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: fifty eight is the point at which I suddenly have 236 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: found a lot of tapes of lectures of people around 237 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: the house, of things off the TV, things like that. 238 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: Three years after he found that mysterious ascetape, Bob and 239 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: his friends Stu were again visiting the A. L. S Sale, 240 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: as they did every year, this time a real, too 241 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: real tape cop Bob's eye. I actually found a tape 242 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: box that said head Cheese in all capital letters on it, 243 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: and there's no way I'm not picking that up. Also, 244 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: it's on a tape box of a company that I 245 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: know did not make tapes after the So this is 246 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: This is an ancient tape, and it says head cheese 247 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: on it, and I'm intrigued. Looking around it appeared to 248 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: be only one of a batch of tapes. I find 249 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: other tapes on the same brand, with the same handwriting, 250 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: and one of them says reputation. I'm like, okay, could 251 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: this be the same thing. Unlike the unlabeled ascetape, these 252 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: tapes were hands scribbled with information. It's got Marrigeal Moreland, 253 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: Don Morland, and several other names on it. It's got 254 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: the name Mary Gale written two different ways. And I 255 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: have actually found at least a half a dozen, if 256 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: not eight or nine tapes that all had what appeared 257 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: to be the same handwriting, some of which said head cheese, 258 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: some of which had Don Morland's name on them. My 259 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: friends still brought one of them and I bought the rest. 260 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: I was certainly intrigued. I was like, what is this 261 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: going to be? It wasn't even so much about reputation. 262 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: It was like, what what is this going to be? 263 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: I hear a lot of things. I hear I hear 264 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: a radio show hosted by someone named Don Morlands, Welcome 265 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: Everybody to another song and Tomorrow program in which he 266 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: sang potential hits of the future wild. I heard a 267 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: young girl singing acapella a couple of hits of the 268 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: early fifties. I heard the song head Cheese, which is 269 00:16:54,560 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: incredibly goofy House who so much to day day? Who 270 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: do please? House? Will Way? And I found a different 271 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: version of reputation, which I liked as much as I'd 272 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: like the original one. I liked twenty times better to 273 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:22,360 Speaker 1: do wow or do wow or do wow? I've got 274 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: a reputation very good. It just seemed to think that 275 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: our made You can't seem to have got to change 276 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:39,360 Speaker 1: that aputation. The earlier one, Very Gill is about ten 277 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 1: and it's very peppious, very fast, and she sounds like 278 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:49,959 Speaker 1: a ten year old. This reputation, but that's the one 279 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: where there's a million rehearsals of it. You could be 280 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: a big sensation bills. If you don't really make it best, 281 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: what do? A botch of pickled hat won't let you. 282 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 1: But you have got to change that reputation. Lag somebody 283 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 1: tried to do a solo on harmonica. They keep working 284 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: on the ending with the centricate court at the end, Danny, 285 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: then you know this you were sure on another tape, 286 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 1: and this is the one my friends still bought that 287 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 1: has the version that was on the ascetate, which is David. 288 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: Now she's fourteen. It's slower, it's much more professional and 289 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: have a little less life to it, but it's still 290 00:18:50,359 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: really good. Recuation. Reputation, reputation, Danny evening. You see, I'm 291 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: worked with kids, and I love to listen to kids singing. 292 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: I don't like to listen necessarily to train kids singing, 293 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: like like Annie Tomorrow, that sort of thing. As much 294 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: as I like the later Marrigael stuff. That nineteen fifty 295 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: three recording where she's ten is just it just captures me, 296 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:24,360 Speaker 1: but not everything could be a hit. Mommy, Daddy, Bye bye? 297 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 1: Did I put that on the site? Familiar? Yeah? I see, 298 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 1: I don't like that at all. It's a weird one. Yeah, 299 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 1: bye bye, Daddy'll be good? Can go this time? I listen, Mommy, 300 00:19:50,960 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: say by Mommy. There's also a series of tapes labeled 301 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: the Tallest Rock Like. A very amateuristic band rehearses in 302 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: various styles a song about the Sears Tower. They're awful, 303 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: They're they're just awful. They start talking about doing it 304 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 1: in a more rock beat, and one of the guys mentioned, no, 305 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: you know, I wrote that song back in the fifties, Backsfire, 306 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 1: which is a song on the flip side of the 307 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: Reputation tape. When I looked it up, I did find 308 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: a story about how some electricians that helped build the 309 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: Sears Tower performed a song called the Tallest Rock at 310 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 1: its opening ceremonies. So I'm figuring this is Don Morland 311 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: and musically was just a hobby and that he was actually, 312 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 1: you know, a guy that worked in construction. But the 313 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 1: good stuff here was absolutely golden. The LS sale was 314 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:16,160 Speaker 1: usually in late October. By the end of the year, 315 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 1: I was very much listening to the material on these tapes. 316 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: It do my my musical life, probably for a good 317 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: three or four months. At that point I was. I 318 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 1: was very obsessed with that, the whole batch of tapes, 319 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 1: mostly of the new version of Reputation and head Cheese 320 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: at Home and who was And yet this legendary find 321 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 1: had only widened the musical mystery. Who were these people 322 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: and what were these songs? It was definitely intrigued, had 323 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 1: no way to do anything about it. Partially because I 324 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: didn't know what I was spelling her name wrong. My 325 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 1: guess is that whoever did on these tapes donated them 326 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 1: to a l S and had donated the athentate a 327 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 1: few years prior. I think it was probably somebody who 328 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 1: lived in that area who maybe died of the family 329 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: donated his stuff. In two thousand three, the media archives 330 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: site ubu webb invited contributors to share their cool, strange, 331 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 1: and often obscure audio selections each day of the year. 332 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 1: The three sixty five Days project would feature a different 333 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: oral treasure on the ubu webb homepage that was being 334 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: run by a guy I knew online. And when I 335 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: found out about it, it was already two months underway, 336 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: and I wrote, and I said, you know, I'd have 337 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff that you would probably like to 338 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: share on there. So immediately I sent him, by far 339 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 1: my best find ever, which is the musical memories of 340 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 1: Camper and of an album that will have to be 341 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 1: a story for another time. And then I thought, the 342 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: next best thing I have is Mary Gale. It wasn't 343 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,399 Speaker 1: a broadband thing yet. The three six five Days project 344 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 1: that year was only allowing up to about six minutes 345 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 1: of material, so I just put the two songs up 346 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: the fifty three and fifty eight versions of reputation. In 347 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,880 Speaker 1: his May fift post the HUT four selection that year, 348 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: Bob details the whole affair. He describes the Mammoth Music 349 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 1: mart sale, the excitement of finding these lost works, the 350 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,959 Speaker 1: exuberancy heres, and the joy he finds in the performances. 351 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: Bob ruminates on the mystery of it all, writing fucking 352 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 1: d you This fascinates me on so many levels. It's 353 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 1: hard to explain. Sometimes I listen to these tracks and 354 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: wonder who were these people? Do they remember making these 355 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: tapes and songs? Do they have any suspicion that their 356 00:23:55,920 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: voices are out there being heard by strangers? Didn't anyone 357 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: want these tapes? If you had real to reels that 358 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: are clearly marked as having your brother, father or sisters 359 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 1: musical work on them, would you? Could you donate it 360 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: to a music sale? I couldn't. I hold on to 361 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 1: it for dear life, and beyond that, where are these people? 362 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: Some of them might still be alive. Certainly Marigael Moreland 363 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 1: must be about fifty eight or sixty years old or so. 364 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 1: Sometimes I wish I could let miss Morland, whatever her 365 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: name may be, today, I know that I adore her song. 366 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 1: If you were to hear the series of tapes made 367 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 1: of rehearsals of this song, you'd know, as I do, 368 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 1: that those involved thought it was special. I kind of 369 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: wish I could let the singer know that others think 370 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: so too, and that the song won't be forgotten for 371 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:59,640 Speaker 1: many years. I want you to know that you think 372 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:15,120 Speaker 1: go on and fading, uncolick of I show I'm walking. 373 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: I just want to share this stuff. I know there's 374 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: other people out there that would enjoy what I do 375 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: and what I collect, and I was overjoyed at having 376 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: the opportunity to share what I had there. Even though 377 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 1: I got involved in that project later, I think I 378 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: had the second most days dedicated to my stuff when 379 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: the year was over. I just wanted to be out there. 380 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: I was. I was really happy to have somebody that 381 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 1: wanted to help the publicize what I found. I doubt 382 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: Bob can imagine at the time just how far that 383 00:25:52,960 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: message would resonate. Two years after Bob shared his findings online, 384 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 1: he received a surprising correspondence. In two thousand's five, I 385 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 1: heard from a relative a cousin I believe of Mary 386 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: Gale who gave me the entire backstory. Who do wow, 387 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,400 Speaker 1: wow Wow. Mary Gale's family lived in Rolling Meadows, less 388 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 1: than two miles from where I'm sitting talking to you 389 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 1: right now, really really close. The cousin was able to 390 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 1: answer most of the questions in his blog posting. She 391 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: told me the right way to spell Mary Gale, and 392 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: she also told me how much she had loved her 393 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: cousin and admired her and ended her for her talent 394 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: and her beauty. Didn't tell me that Don was a 395 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,640 Speaker 1: professional musician and had been part of a local group 396 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,640 Speaker 1: that did a lot of commercials in the Chicago area 397 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 1: called the Motables, so not an electrician working on the 398 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: Sears Tower. She assured me that done more than worked 399 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: in nothing but music is entirely adult life. The cousin 400 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: also told me that Mary Gael had gone off to 401 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: college somewhere in Wisconsin I or correctly, and had landed 402 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:21,360 Speaker 1: in Georgia, where she became a nightclub entertainer and developed 403 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: lupus and died very young. Tragically. Mary Guel died shortly 404 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: after her forty seventh birthday, only shortly before Bob found 405 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 1: that first unmarked acetape, but the cousin did offer one 406 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 1: small piece of consolation. There were other recordings that had 407 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: been released, including a Christmas single in the mid fifties 408 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 1: and at least two records made when she was still 409 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 1: in high school for Chicago label, and promised to send 410 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: me a tape of everything that she had from that era, 411 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: and that she also could tract on some later recordings 412 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: that she had somewhere on a cassette. So she and 413 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 1: me sent me the recordings she had. He didn't like 414 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 1: the Christmas song at all, but it was amazed that 415 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 1: it was a fourteen year old singing I want my 416 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 1: Mom and Daddy together like lessness, and found one of 417 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 1: the two singles from the Chicago label to be absolutely otherworldly. 418 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: I think the song Julie Papa Is is her best 419 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: work ever and probably one of my top sixty's favorite 420 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: records ever made. Marigale was just seventeen when she made 421 00:28:51,680 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: these recordings. You Oh soul, when day standing the waiting 422 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: caught in the people have written me and say, are 423 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 1: you sure when this came out? And you can. You 424 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: can do a search for that labels discography and figure 425 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 1: it out. Based on other releases when they were in 426 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: business and when that record came out, and it came 427 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 1: out in nineteen sixty she was born in Armed with 428 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 1: all this new information, Bob was able to track down 429 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 1: some local references to Mariguel. The local paper here is 430 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: called the Daily Herald, is the super Aber. It's it's 431 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 1: out of origin Heights Covers Rolling Meadows, where she lives. 432 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 1: It only twelve years old, Marigel Moreland of Rolling Meadows 433 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: has accumulated an impressive list of accomplishment. The record I 434 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: Want My Mommy and Daddy Together for Christmas is now 435 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: on jukeboxes and being played by local disc JOCT. Marigael 436 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: learned most of what she knows about singing from her father, 437 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 1: Donovan Scott Moreland, who it is quite the singer in 438 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 1: his own Wreck was Blood. She hosted an American bandstand 439 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 1: style show, which I've been absolutely unable to get any 440 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 1: more information about. I've written to the station that ran 441 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: it and they said they don't have any information on it. 442 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 1: Some time after that, somebody who was in love with 443 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 1: her in high school wrote to me and sent me 444 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: a picture that he had of her that has folded 445 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: it from more He kept it in his wallet for problems. 446 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 1: Five years of her sitting on a couch reading a paper, 447 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 1: looking at the camera when she's probably about sixteen or seventeen. Oh, 448 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: there are things I wonder about her, you know, as 449 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 1: a musician in that era and a singer. I would 450 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 1: love to know what she liked, what her taste was like, 451 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 1: what she would have done, because I think I think 452 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 1: she's a great lost artist that could have been huge, 453 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 1: depending on what direction you want to go, she could 454 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 1: have been head of talent in that era. You know, 455 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: Connie Francis or Brenda Lee, who were essentially in the 456 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 1: same demographic and age range. Were you kind of hoping 457 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 1: that you would have had that you were going to 458 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 1: have the opportunity to meet her at some point? Absolutely, 459 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: I would have loved to or at least have a 460 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: correspondence with her. Hey, you know your your stuff makes 461 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: a difference in my life. You know you've brought joy 462 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,479 Speaker 1: to my to my ears and my brain. I love 463 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 1: your singing, I love what you've chosen to do. Blah 464 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 1: blah blah. Yeah. As it turns out, there's one more 465 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 1: version of reputation that's worth mentioning. My daughter had enjoyed 466 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 1: the song a lot too, and when she was nine, 467 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: she sang it at my fortieth birthday party with me 468 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 1: and the aforementioned too. To change that reputation. She was 469 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 1: essentially the same age as Barry Gail had been at 470 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 1: the recording of the first one, maybe a year and 471 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 1: a half younger. So we just we just did it. 472 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 1: It was a natural to have my daughter, who was 473 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 1: musical herself, sing a song that we both loved you, 474 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 1: Holy living living down the monkeys are made to live 475 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 1: in a soul, and I was meant to love you, 476 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 1: Lily living die Li didn't die, love me holdly some 477 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 1: tender true, But I was said to love you. Don't 478 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 1: be bullaby to aweve me should I was a made 479 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 1: to be bound to always me. 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Thanks to Ian Nagaski 488 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 1: for letting us use this track, which is an untraced 489 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 1: Eastation pop song. Learn more at Canary Dash Records dot 490 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 1: band camp dot com. Next time on Ephemeral. When you're 491 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 1: sitting there and it's it's anonymous, and the human brain 492 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 1: can't count how many books are sitting on the self 493 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,279 Speaker 1: around you, it all blends together. They're all the same 494 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:54,319 Speaker 1: color basically, so it's sort of just one mass if 495 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,240 Speaker 1: you do the math. I think there are two million 496 00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 1: plus spreads of art work in the collection. I don't 497 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,959 Speaker 1: even think a brain can hold that many. 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