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Speaker 2: Even I was really happy about that.
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Speaker 2: I don't have an enemy, where is my friend enemy?
Speaker 2: But no, it was a really good year. I was
Speaker 2: really proud of it and good yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And you might hear a squeaking in the background
Speaker 1: right now because we're dog sitting little Gunny. He's a joy.
Speaker 2: Mostly that was the worst line.
Speaker 1: He's so snugly and sweet. He's a little angel, and
Speaker 1: he has The thing is, Gunny has two settings. I'm
Speaker 1: lying in your lap and I just want love and
Speaker 1: a lot of the times he's like that and his
Speaker 1: other setting on a scale of one to one hundred,
Speaker 1: eight hundred and seventy six.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a crazed lunatic. But he's just a puppy.
Speaker 1: He's a puppy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really all it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And there's so much to catch you up on too.
Speaker 1: I don't want to take too much time the Succession finale.
Speaker 1: We're watching Silo now. We saw it. We saw Across
Speaker 1: the Spider Verse.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, the best movie ever made.
Speaker 1: It was really good.
Speaker 2: Guardians three was really good.
Speaker 1: Guardians three was really good. But you know, we got
Speaker 1: to set all that aside because we've got a big
Speaker 1: story to get to here. Huge story. I mean, this guy,
Speaker 1: his name, his reputation precedes him. We know that because
Speaker 1: in our last episode we learned about Al and May Capone.
Speaker 1: Of course, al Capone one of the most notorious gangsters
Speaker 1: of all time. He was from Brooklyn, but he ended
Speaker 1: up the head of the Chicago Outfit, which is an
Speaker 1: Italian American organized crime gang. His wife May was the
Speaker 1: daughter of Irish immigrants, and so at the time him
Speaker 1: Italian men marrying Irish girls was like a big no
Speaker 1: no for both cultures. But these two were very They
Speaker 1: were just total Romeo and Juliette like totally in love
Speaker 1: and they got married. They had a son named Albert,
Speaker 1: who was called Sonny. Eventually these two ended up being
Speaker 1: stinking rich mobsters. Right well, al was a mobster and
Speaker 1: May you know, knew about it. She hosted all of
Speaker 1: his cronies. Now, when last we left, Al had tried
Speaker 1: to semi retire by moving to Miami, and they and
Speaker 1: the family ingratiated themselves with the locals. There's dropping cash
Speaker 1: supporting local business like seemed pretty nice. But of course
Speaker 1: he just ended up doing a bunch of crime again.
Speaker 1: You know. Every time I get out, they pulled me
Speaker 1: back in, and this included calling a hit on his
Speaker 1: former boss and crime partner, Frankie Yale. Now Al's undiagnosed
Speaker 1: syphilis was starting to affect his brain and it was
Speaker 1: making him even more ruthless and violent than he all
Speaker 1: he was, and things were about to get rough for
Speaker 1: the Capone family. So let's dive in and see what
Speaker 1: horrors await for public family number one.
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Speaker 1: So Al Capone, his wife May, and their son Sonny
Speaker 1: had moved to Miami in nineteen twenty eight after getting
Speaker 1: chased out of basically every other city he tried to visit.
Speaker 1: You know, al Capone would go visit Los Angeles and
Speaker 1: they were like, you get out of here, or they
Speaker 1: were like, uh, you like, get out of here, al Capone,
Speaker 1: we don't watch you here. Or he would go to
Speaker 1: Minnesota and they'd be like, I don't think so their
Speaker 1: al Capone. You can keep back your bags and keep moving.
Speaker 2: Take your hot dish somewhere else.
Speaker 1: He'd go to Birmingham, Alabama.
Speaker 2: We don't take calmly to your sore around here, al
Speaker 2: Capone exactly.
Speaker 1: But Miami.
Speaker 2: Who your people?
Speaker 1: Who your people? But he shows up in Miami and
Speaker 1: he was determined to stay there. He called it quote
Speaker 1: the Garden of America and the sunny Italy of the
Speaker 1: New World. And he announced that quote, I'm gonna build
Speaker 1: or buy a home here, and I hope my friends
Speaker 1: will join me.
Speaker 2: I did really have a blast in Miami when I went. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I don't blame him.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, you also went down to escape your criminal past.
Speaker 1: That's true. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2: And it was a great escape too, Art Basil, Yeah,
Speaker 2: oh yeah.
Speaker 1: Well it turns out that at the time Miami was
Speaker 1: in actually a really bad real estate bust because they'd
Speaker 1: had a hurricane the year before that kind of screwed
Speaker 1: everything up. So even if they were initially a little
Speaker 1: skeptical of criminal mastermind Al Capone showing up in their town,
Speaker 1: as soon as he suggested that he was looking to
Speaker 1: buy property there, they were like abiosabi.
Speaker 2: Party in the city with a few to them.
Speaker 1: He totally busted out the dancers. A headline in the
Speaker 1: Chicago Tribune read quote, Capone hunted in Miami, but by
Speaker 1: realty men.
Speaker 2: So, like we said in the last episode, Alan May
Speaker 2: totally ingratiated themselves into Miami culture. They were throwing money around.
Speaker 2: They leased a penthouse at the Punstilion Hotel and a
Speaker 2: waterfront mansion. They were supporting local businesses. They were like
Speaker 2: dropping thousand dollars bills on furniture makers and tailors and
Speaker 2: generally just making Miami. We're real happy to have them. Sure,
Speaker 2: police chiefs and other cities had basically all said, you know,
Speaker 2: we don't want to hear a Capone, but Miami's chief
Speaker 2: h Leslie Quiggs said, quote, if he's here for a
Speaker 2: good time and behaves himself, he can stay as long
Speaker 2: as he likes Wow, and the mayor of Miami, J.
Speaker 2: Newton Lummis was a reialter.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, so even.
Speaker 2: Though he publicly denounced Capone, he also secretly worked for him.
Speaker 2: Great job, Lomash.
Speaker 1: Wait, like, you're not asking for organized crime if you
Speaker 1: elect a realtor as your mayor. Oh, no dangerous crossovers there.
Speaker 2: So Lummis actually helped Capone buy this huge property, but
Speaker 2: it was all very secretive. They had this buried paper
Speaker 2: trail going on where the former mayor's son was the intermediary.
Speaker 2: He laundered money from Chicago to Miami, eventually purchased the property,
Speaker 2: and then put a lease in may Capone's name. So
Speaker 2: the Copones didn't technically own the.
Speaker 1: Right right from this guy from a.
Speaker 4: Totally random dude, A totally random dude who happened to
Speaker 4: get a bunch of money coming in from Chicago for
Speaker 4: some reason. Yeah, but this little maneuver was gonna be
Speaker 4: another handy little piece of evidence in the case that
Speaker 4: the Feds were building against al Capone. And so before
Speaker 4: we settle down with the rest of Allen May's story,
Speaker 4: let's take a quick fling with.
Speaker 1: History order in the court in the nineteen twenties. During Prohibition,
Speaker 1: it was almost impossible to prosecute crime bosses because of witness,
Speaker 1: intimidation or lack of hard evidence, and of course bribery
Speaker 1: was just everywhere. But this woman, Mabel Walker Willebrandt, who
Speaker 1: had been the first public defender of women in Los
Speaker 1: Angeles in nineteen twenty one, became the US Assistant Attorney General,
Speaker 1: and she was handling a lot of the prohibition cases.
Speaker 1: And she steps in and she's like, Hey, these mob
Speaker 1: bosses are living like kings and just dropping money everywhere
Speaker 1: they go. But they never filed tax returns. Like when
Speaker 1: they do their taxes, they say they don't have any
Speaker 1: money or they didn't make any money. So shouldn't we
Speaker 1: be able to prosecute them for that? Hmmm. They're like, uh, hey, Mabel,
Speaker 1: good idea. Well, oh, woman with a good idea.
Speaker 2: Actually they probably were like, oh whatever. Anyway, Hey, guys,
Speaker 2: you know what I've been thinking, Uh, these mafia guys
Speaker 2: are living like kings and they never put in tax returns.
Speaker 2: I was just thinking I had this great idea, just
Speaker 2: a second, brilliant thought. Henry and Mabel's like, okay, as
Speaker 2: long as the work gets done. I guess I don't
Speaker 2: need credit.
Speaker 1: That's correct, Mabell. I'll take coffee seven sugars please, I'll
Speaker 1: prosecute you. Well. The first guy that they ended up
Speaker 1: getting under this theory was Manly Sullivan in nineteen twenty one.
Speaker 1: He was a bootlegger from South Carolina and they brought
Speaker 1: him in, they arrested him. They said, hey, you must
Speaker 1: not be paying taxes because you clearly have all this
Speaker 1: money that you're not declaring. Well, his lawyer said that
Speaker 1: for him to file a tax return on money that
Speaker 1: he had earned illegally would violate his Fifth Amendment protections
Speaker 1: against self incrimination. Like, basically, if he filed a return
Speaker 1: that said I got I got all this money through bootlegging.
Speaker 1: Here's the money I made, then he's basically saying, hey,
Speaker 1: I committed a crime, and that's forcing someone to admit
Speaker 1: a crime against their will. Fifth Amendment. You can't do that.
Speaker 2: Okay, that makes sense yeah to me, I guess. But
Speaker 2: it did not fly in federal court. He was totally convicted,
Speaker 2: but a court of appeals reversed the decision and they
Speaker 2: sent it to the Supreme Court. So Scotis took the
Speaker 2: case and Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes found quote no reason
Speaker 2: why the fact that a business is unlawful should exempt
Speaker 2: it from paying taxes that, if lawful, it would have
Speaker 2: to pay, and the court agreed unanimously. They noted that
Speaker 2: the Revenue Act of nineteen twenty one said that gross
Speaker 2: income includes quote gains or profits and income derived from
Speaker 2: any source whatever, right, and Holmes said that the Fifth
Speaker 2: Amendment thing did not apply because everybody has to declare
Speaker 2: their income, so earning it illegally should not get you
Speaker 2: special treatment over everyone else. Also makes sense, I guess,
Speaker 2: because it would just be like, oh, if you get
Speaker 2: it illegally, you don't have to pay taxes. Yeah, loophole everyone,
Speaker 2: Like that would be a really bad precedent to set it.
Speaker 1: Not only can you break the law to make all
Speaker 1: your money, you don't even have to tell me and did.
Speaker 2: It, you could also avoid that tax thing everybody.
Speaker 1: It does kind of encourage people to look in that direction.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So the Feds were already working on a case against
Speaker 2: Copone under this decision, and they were looking at how
Speaker 2: much money he was spending in order to determine how
Speaker 2: much he was earning.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they're seeing like, oh, okay, may Capone is
Speaker 1: leasing this multimillion dollar mansion in Miami with what Yeah,
Speaker 1: with what you moved down to Chicago with on paper nothing.
Speaker 1: Side note, My favorite part of that ruling from the
Speaker 1: Supreme Courts is where Justice Homes said that, sure, it
Speaker 1: might be suggested that if you declare your illegal business income,
Speaker 1: that you could also deduct illegal business expenses like bribery. Like, hey, look,
Speaker 1: if I if I write down the I made a
Speaker 1: million dollars in bootlegging, I'm going to deduct the three
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars I spent in bribes. You know.
Speaker 2: Now that's very interesting because it kind of incriminates the
Speaker 2: people that you're bribing, right because you could be like, well,
Speaker 2: I spent three hundred thousand dollars bribing the Chicago p D.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which of course they wouldn't want you to do obviously. Well,
Speaker 1: Justice Holmes said that I'm not saying this is a
Speaker 1: logical conclusion that you could deduct your illegal expenses quote,
Speaker 1: but it will be time enough to consider the question
Speaker 1: when a taxpayer has the temerity to raise it. So
Speaker 1: he's like, look, if somebody wants to come in here
Speaker 1: and say, hey, I made illegal bribes and I should
Speaker 1: be able to deduct those. We'll talk about it, then we'll.
Speaker 2: Cross that bridge. When someone sets it on fire, I.
Speaker 1: Kind of feel like it's not going to happen, you know.
Speaker 2: You know, maybe there's someone out there right now trying
Speaker 2: to figure out their case.
Speaker 1: It could be. I mean, it still says in the
Speaker 1: IRS tax Code today that quote income from illegal activities,
Speaker 1: which would include things like dealing drugs or accepting bribes,
Speaker 1: must be included in the declaration of one's income, and
Speaker 1: Steve Hargreaves of CCEN in Business wrote in twenty thirteen quote,
Speaker 1: not surprisingly few criminals declare their loot, but he said
Speaker 1: that some do. I was really surprised by. I'm like,
Speaker 1: who would, because that is self incrimination. And he was
Speaker 1: writing that usually it's when people feel like they're about
Speaker 1: to get caught for their crimes and they don't want
Speaker 1: a tax evasion charge slapped on top of whatever charges
Speaker 1: they're already facing, so they'll be like, let me declare
Speaker 1: this real quick. I see, so they at least I
Speaker 1: only go to jail for the crime and.
Speaker 2: Not I mean, do they file back taxes like every
Speaker 2: year they've made illegal money or whatever. Also, interestingly, when
Speaker 2: it came out that this house had a deed in
Speaker 2: may Capone's name, insurance companies pulled their policy. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: they said, did not matter which copone owned this home.
Speaker 2: It was just ensuring it was way too risky.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't care if it's may Capone. You still
Speaker 1: get end up with a bunch of bullet holes in
Speaker 1: your windows. That can for that, and also not mention alls.
Speaker 1: You probably don't want to ensure a house that has
Speaker 1: known illegal activities going on in.
Speaker 2: It really true anyway. In nineteen twenty seven, just before
Speaker 2: al moved to Miami, President Coolidge had appointed a new
Speaker 2: US attorney in Chicago named George Emerson Q. Johnson, who
Speaker 2: was like a tall, wiry, rumpled old man who Lawrence
Speaker 2: Bergreen says, quote might have been mistaken for a poet,
Speaker 2: but perhaps a drama critic, that is until he opened
Speaker 2: his mouth. Because this guy was a real nerd for
Speaker 2: the justice system. US attorney's made about ten thousand dollars
Speaker 2: a year in that era, which is close to one
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy five thousand dollars a year today, But
Speaker 2: that was nothing compared to what a corrupt official could
Speaker 2: bring in in bribes of course, real for real, So
Speaker 2: it took a real nerd for justice to resist corruption,
Speaker 2: like a real mister Smith goes to Washington.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally right, Like you know, the whole amount of
Speaker 1: money could buy me off. I'm here for lady liberty,
Speaker 1: Lady liberty. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh. Also side note, the Q stood for nothing. Oh,
Speaker 2: it was just to stand out from other George Johnson
Speaker 2: South there, Wow, Peter Q.
Speaker 1: Parkers seven, George Emerson Johnson's in the phone book, throw
Speaker 1: a Q in there, s Q stand up.
Speaker 2: But anyway, all that to say a case was being
Speaker 2: built against Capone without his knowledge for years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all the background, they're just like watching his I mean,
Speaker 1: like surely Capone knows the FBI's watching him, right, all
Speaker 1: the mobsters did. That's why they were so careful, and
Speaker 1: that why they were always dropping bribes. But they were
Speaker 1: like they I think that's the thing they weren't expecting, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, he's been real careful about his murders and
Speaker 1: his bootlegging and his drugs and all that stuff. He's
Speaker 1: not paying attention the accounting, right, the boring.
Speaker 2: Park which is why it was a pretty smart angle. Yeah,
Speaker 2: for Mabel to take yeah, and.
Speaker 1: Why you've got people like elliottness and it was the
Speaker 1: Treasury Department that ended up taking him down. Now, obviously
Speaker 1: we're really trying to stay focused, y'all know, on on
Speaker 1: the romance side of al Capone's life here and do
Speaker 1: other people have done longer and better research series on
Speaker 1: al Capone's crimes?
Speaker 2: Many many his life's monster, right.
Speaker 1: So we're just dropping a little bit of info to
Speaker 1: sort of set up what he and his family ended
Speaker 1: up doing. But one of the big ones was on
Speaker 1: February fourteenth of nineteen twenty nine, when al Capone executed
Speaker 1: the Saint Valentine's Day massacre, or well, al Capone almost
Speaker 1: definitely executed this. Nobody was ever officially convicted, and it's
Speaker 1: an elaborate story, but basically, in Chicago, seven men who
Speaker 1: were working for Capone's rival, Bugs Moran, were executed by
Speaker 1: four guys, two of which were dressed as police officers.
Speaker 1: So there was a whole thing for a while where
Speaker 1: people were like, oh, the cops did it, you know
Speaker 1: they were, but they were not. Actually, I mean, we
Speaker 1: don't know who they were, but the ideas that the
Speaker 1: don't know they were not cops. Again, big long story.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to speculate on it right here because
Speaker 1: there's way more evidence than I have handy. But at
Speaker 1: the time Capone had been chilling in Miami with his family.
Speaker 1: Like the night that this happened, they were having a
Speaker 1: little dinner party. Capone had not had contact with anyone
Speaker 1: in Chicago for days beforehand, like suspiciously little contact. He
Speaker 1: was always talking to Chicago, but the four or five
Speaker 1: days before this happened, just no communications. But that night, yeah,
Speaker 1: they were holding a dinner party. Al was walking Sonny around,
Speaker 1: introducing him to all his new Miami friends. May was
Speaker 1: refilling drinks. She's socializing. Real just casual, fancy dinner party stuff. Now,
Speaker 1: up to this point in Chicago, public opinion of Al
Speaker 1: Capone was actually really not that bad. He was mostly
Speaker 1: known as a bootlegger, and people kind of respected alcohol
Speaker 1: smugglers because almost everyone wanted to drink.
Speaker 2: That's what's so funny about prohibition. How hugely monumental of
Speaker 2: a failure it was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of ways, Yeah, and most people were
Speaker 1: on the on the bootlegger's side to some degree, and
Speaker 1: as long as they didn't know, you know what else,
Speaker 1: they were doing. They were like, oh, they're just running gin.
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about al Capone. He's just bringing me
Speaker 1: the booze that I sneak in the speakeasy. Yeah. But
Speaker 1: once the Saint Valentine's Day massacre happened and his name
Speaker 1: was attached to it, and actually pictures of the crime
Speaker 1: scene were leaked, so the public saw it this really
Speaker 1: horrible carnage, and then his public image took a turn
Speaker 1: for the worse. Within days, al Capone was called to
Speaker 1: Chicago to testify, and again a lot more crime history
Speaker 1: stuff happening there where he actually managed to get out
Speaker 1: of it and weasel away from this with no charges.
Speaker 2: That's right, because yeah, I was not convicted for this crime,
Speaker 2: but we do know they got him of it, and
Speaker 2: we'll find out how right after this break.
Speaker 1: Welcome back, you stool pigeons, all right.
Speaker 2: So al Capone was a criminal mastermind who just got
Speaker 2: more cruel and violent as time went on. And we
Speaker 2: talked about this a little bit before, but modern scholars
Speaker 2: think this really had a lot to do with his
Speaker 2: undiagnosed syphilis, which can affect the mind and it makes
Speaker 2: people act very differently sometimes violently.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, whole personality changes that straight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but very very long story short. Al's crimes continued
Speaker 2: until he was arrested in nineteen thirty one and indicted
Speaker 2: for tax evasion. At the beginning of the episode, we
Speaker 2: took that quick fling with history to talk about the
Speaker 2: Revenue Act of nineteen twenty one stated that you had
Speaker 2: to declare your income, even for illegal activities. So while
Speaker 2: Capone managed to dodge every other accusation thrown at him,
Speaker 2: including this violent massacre that he was almost definitely orchestrated,
Speaker 2: this was their angle to get him off the streets
Speaker 2: and it worked.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Chicago Magazine reports that Al and May's lavish lifestyle
Speaker 1: helped prosecutors put them away, particularly Al's insatiable appetite for food.
Speaker 1: They were spending upwards of one thousand dollars a week
Speaker 1: on groceries, and this was more than most depression era
Speaker 1: families spent in a year.
Speaker 2: Good God, I can't even just you know, you got it.
Speaker 1: I'm imagining just buffet tables every night, paste, lobster, lobster.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it must be really expensive food. Oh yeah, one
Speaker 2: thousand dollars a week in nineteen thirty one.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Jesus, forget it.
Speaker 2: You're buying too much.
Speaker 1: Right, And it's not just him, of course, he's hosting
Speaker 1: big parties all the time. He's wining and dining the
Speaker 1: you know, politicians and stuff, because he was very into
Speaker 1: Miami politics as well as a mobster. All this money
Speaker 1: spending on food was a big part of the evidence
Speaker 1: that we used against him to prove that he was
Speaker 1: making way more money than he claimed. A Capone was
Speaker 1: convicted and he was sentenced to eleven years in prison,
Speaker 1: And first he was sent to Atlanta. Now he was
Speaker 1: officially diagnosed with syphilis here during a medical inspection, and
Speaker 1: he was also suffering from cocaine withdrawal because he had
Speaker 1: been a huge cocaine user. It actually gave him a
Speaker 1: perforated septum, which would cause him some serious health problems
Speaker 1: later on. He was only allowed three visitors at prison,
Speaker 1: and of course that was his wife, May, his son Sonny,
Speaker 1: and Al's own mother who was allowed to come see
Speaker 1: him as well. While he was in the Atlanta prison,
Speaker 1: he was actually really weak. He was having a hard
Speaker 1: time standing up for himself. He was getting bullied a
Speaker 1: lot because his health had taken such a bad turn,
Speaker 1: and other groups of prisoners started picking up and defending
Speaker 1: him kind of randomly, and he started to get some
Speaker 1: pretty nice accommodations too. His room got upgraded, he got
Speaker 1: a nicer bed with a more comfortable mattress, like all
Speaker 1: these kind of suspicious things that made some accusations come
Speaker 1: out that he was getting special treatment. Now there was
Speaker 1: never any evidence brought forth that this was officially happening,
Speaker 1: but it was enough to get him transferred out of
Speaker 1: Atlanta to Alcatraz. And here, of course he's on an island.
Speaker 1: He's on the rock with Sean Connery. Uh, and he
Speaker 1: is no longer allowed visitors. But due to good behavior,
Speaker 1: he was allowed to play the banjo in the Alcatraz
Speaker 1: prison band. They were called the Rock Islanders, and they
Speaker 1: played every Sunday for other inmates. I would love to
Speaker 1: go see the Rock Island, you know, like.
Speaker 2: Travel. Yeah, there we go play, But you just go
Speaker 2: see a concert of the rock on Rock Islanders concert
Speaker 2: at little striped out fit to wear.
Speaker 1: My guess is they didn't take uh you know, it
Speaker 1: wasn't a public concert. Probably couldn't buy tickets. My second
Speaker 1: guess is they're probably okay.
Speaker 2: I mean, how good could they be.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean I guess they don't have
Speaker 1: you know, all they can do is practice, So maybe
Speaker 1: they're great and they don't have day job.
Speaker 2: Story only allowed to play it when they're playing concert
Speaker 2: and they're terrible.
Speaker 1: Actually. So one of the letters Al wrote home to
Speaker 1: his son, he talked about how he worked. Some days
Speaker 1: he was he would stitch up boots. That was his job,
Speaker 1: and he was supposed to be really good at it,
Speaker 1: and he had days off. And he said, from up
Speaker 1: until three pm, I'm they let me play the banjo,
Speaker 1: and from three pm onto the evening, I'm just writing songs. Wow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he might have plenty of time with his music artist. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And Al loved music. He was actually really good with music.
Speaker 1: He'd grown up in this Italian family. They loved music.
Speaker 1: It was a big part of his life. And one
Speaker 1: day he passed a piece of paper with the lyrics
Speaker 1: of a song to a priest friend of his. You know,
Speaker 1: take these out, I want someone to have them. So
Speaker 1: let's go down to poetry Corner for a selection from
Speaker 1: Capone's song Madonna Mia.
Speaker 5: In a quaint Italian garden, while the stars were all aglow.
Speaker 5: Once I heard a lover singing to the one that
Speaker 5: he loved. So in that quaint Italian garden, neath the
Speaker 5: starry sky above.
Speaker 2: Every night he'd serenade her with his tender song of love.
Speaker 2: Once again, I see that garden.
Speaker 5: Many years have hurried by, I can see that sweet Madonna.
Speaker 5: There's a tear drop in her eye for her soldier
Speaker 5: has departed, left his loved one.
Speaker 1: With a sigh, she.
Speaker 5: Said, I will wait forever, as he sang this.
Speaker 2: Last goodbye, kind of beautiful, lovely.
Speaker 1: It was reported for a while that al Capone wrote
Speaker 1: this song as a tribute to May, and it might
Speaker 1: have been a tribute to her, but The Boston Globe
Speaker 1: reported in twenty eighteen that he actually did copy the
Speaker 1: lyrics out of a song book, like this was a
Speaker 1: song that had been written probably a few years earlier,
Speaker 1: and we don't know that al ever claimed it as
Speaker 1: his own song, Like it's not like he signed it
Speaker 1: was like, hey, this, take this song out there and
Speaker 1: tell everybody you what a musical genius I am. You know,
Speaker 1: my opus. Yeah, But when this slip of paper made
Speaker 1: it to an auction in the early two thirds, that
Speaker 1: was definitely the story. They were like al Capone song
Speaker 1: he wrote for his wife doy Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know, they got thousands of thousands more dollars then,
Speaker 2: just like al Capelle wrote this copy of this out of.
Speaker 1: Them actually, so in nineteen ninety nine, according to Boston Globe,
Speaker 1: this song went on sale for forty five thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: They expected that that's what it would fetch, but it
Speaker 1: did not sell. It was returned to the consigner apparently,
Speaker 1: and then later it was sold to a private collector.
Speaker 1: That was in two thousand and nine. Now Wikipedia suggests
Speaker 1: that this song was put up for sale for sixty
Speaker 1: five thousand dollars, but I don't know if that's what
Speaker 1: they paid for it or not. But Rich Larson with
Speaker 1: al caponefanclub dot Com had the sheet music and more
Speaker 1: than seventy years later, he described it as a tear jerker,
Speaker 1: and he formed a group of musicians and a vocalist
Speaker 1: to record the song, and then he released it on
Speaker 1: CD in two thousand and nine. So you can hear it.
Speaker 2: Oh that's cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Modonomia song. But it's had quite a journey.
Speaker 1: Fact of the matter is he did not write the
Speaker 1: lyrics himself, but he probably did arrange this musical version
Speaker 1: of it because he was he was able to compose.
Speaker 2: Like a Robert Burns.
Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of like that in jail. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now, May Capone kept out of the public. She only
Speaker 2: resurfaced periodically to defend Al's character from rumors.
Speaker 1: Right, and we should say not in any lengthy interviews
Speaker 1: or anything like that.
Speaker 2: But once it was like even reported that she had
Speaker 2: filed to divorce him, and she shot that down real hard.
Speaker 2: Hell no, I did not. The press like hounded her
Speaker 2: all the time, especially as Al's health began to deteriorate,
Speaker 2: but she always gave short positive answers. She never let
Speaker 2: on that he was actually getting sicker all the time
Speaker 2: from syphilis. And after al was committed to a prison
Speaker 2: hospital and rumors were leaked to the press, May wrote
Speaker 2: to the warden requesting that she be able to visit him,
Speaker 2: which the warden denied, and eventually May and the rest
Speaker 2: of Alice Fan repleading for his release because his condition
Speaker 2: had gotten so bad. Yeah, they were like, please let
Speaker 2: us just care for him at home or something.
Speaker 1: It was really bad, and of course prison healthcare was awful.
Speaker 1: It was reported that they were doing some experiments with
Speaker 1: syphilis on him, Like they had these experimental treatments that
Speaker 1: are really nasty, very low chance of success. So he
Speaker 1: was just getting really rough treatment. Would she would call,
Speaker 1: like there'd be a rumor in the press, like al
Speaker 1: Capone's in the medical hospital, and they would have to
Speaker 1: call them up, send a telegram rather and say what's
Speaker 1: going on? Can I come see him? And they're like, nah, nah,
Speaker 1: he's fine, don't worry about it. So it was really rough,
Speaker 1: and he was only getting worse. He suffered at one
Speaker 1: point what a prison health report called quote a sudden
Speaker 1: disturbance of consciousness, described as a fainting attack or possibly
Speaker 1: a hysterical episode. That was in nineteen thirty eight, and
Speaker 1: this is followed by an epileptic fit over the next
Speaker 1: few days. After that, he got very quiet and distant,
Speaker 1: like clearly his mind was changing. And he recovered to
Speaker 1: the point that he felt well and he actually had
Speaker 1: a really positive mood, but he had a harder time concentrating,
Speaker 1: he had a harder time moving around on his own.
Speaker 1: And they also reported that he quote here's God and
Speaker 1: the angels verbally reply to prayers. But al Capone himself
Speaker 1: even admitted to the doctors that these are probably hallucinations.
Speaker 1: He just liked hearing them. I think it's so interesting.
Speaker 1: You're like, I know, I'm hallucinating, but it's nice. It's
Speaker 1: not like they're not freaking me out.
Speaker 2: I mean, that was one of the things that was
Speaker 2: so like arresting. I guess about Beautiful Mind. That movie
Speaker 2: Mind was how lonely he was without his I mean
Speaker 2: his I mean his hallucinations, spoiling his friends. Sorry, it's
Speaker 2: a very old movie, so get it together. It came
Speaker 2: like twenty years ago, but you know, it was just
Speaker 2: like after we you know, they put him on meds
Speaker 2: to help him, and he was helped by them, but
Speaker 2: he was hella lonely and he was like one of
Speaker 2: his friends back. It's just a I never would have
Speaker 2: thought about it that way, because a lot of ways
Speaker 2: they portray schizophrenia, especially is that it's a torment, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like they're like, I'm hearing these
Speaker 2: voices and they're freaking me out, and they're saying mean
Speaker 2: things and whatever. But it had never been presented to
Speaker 2: me until that movie that they might be a comfort
Speaker 2: and a friend and like someone you would miss, right.
Speaker 1: And like kind of the opposite. Sometimes I think about, like,
Speaker 1: how wonderful would it be if I found out that
Speaker 1: some of my friends were actually just hallucinations and I
Speaker 1: could pop some pills and they would just go away?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, ice cold, Like I just take these
Speaker 1: once a day and you're gone. Damn.
Speaker 2: Friends are going to start texting like.
Speaker 1: Hey, who is it?
Speaker 2: Who are you talking about?
Speaker 1: Which? Which one of you is it?
Speaker 2: Listen if you listen to the show, it's not you.
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly.
Speaker 2: How about that.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this. If you ask me, I'll give
Speaker 1: you the honest answer.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well you really.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll tell you if it was you. Yeah, is
Speaker 1: it me? No?
Speaker 2: Okay, I had to ask.
Speaker 1: Okay. So Capone's family was finally allowed to visit him
Speaker 1: again at Alcatraz, but the first time he got to
Speaker 1: see Sonny was in five years. So he had seen
Speaker 1: him when he was fourteen and then didn't see him
Speaker 1: again until he was nineteen years old. So this, you know,
Speaker 1: his son walks in and he's like six foot two,
Speaker 1: he's a you know, it's nineteen thirty eight. Is a
Speaker 1: grown man for nineteen years old. Back then, nineteen was
Speaker 1: like you had two houses, and you were all it's
Speaker 1: almost time to retire from your.
Speaker 2: Job done at the salt factory or whatever, and yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean Al everything else notwithstanding great dad, Apparently I
Speaker 2: loved his kid a lot, and he and Sonny had
Speaker 2: kept a close relationship through letters during his time at Alcatraz,
Speaker 2: so even when he wasn't present present, he still tried
Speaker 2: to keep a relationship going. And Al was always intent
Speaker 2: on not involved Sonny in the mob. Once when he
Speaker 2: was working in Chicago, Al reportedly told a friend quote,
Speaker 2: I don't want to die shot in the street. I've
Speaker 2: got a boy. I love that kid.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then when Sonny was applying to schools, he listed
Speaker 2: his father's occupation as retired and just kind of hoped
Speaker 2: the name wouldn't come up. Capone unrelated to that other copone? Right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I wonder if that's like, how you know, I don't
Speaker 2: know their names, Britney Schwarzenegger is trying to go to school.
Speaker 2: It's just like an unrelated Schwartzenegger, just another crazy.
Speaker 1: Common names.
Speaker 2: And while in Alcatraz, one of Al's letters to Sonny
Speaker 2: read quote, well, heart of mine, sure hope things come
Speaker 2: our way for next year. Then I'll be there in
Speaker 2: your arms and maybe that will sure be a happy
Speaker 2: feeling for May and you, well, Sonny, keep up your
Speaker 2: chin and don't worry about your dear dad.
Speaker 1: So you know, he didn't want to involve his son
Speaker 1: in crime. And it's almost that sort of like, I'm
Speaker 1: doing this so you don't have to. And I see
Speaker 1: him like and there's a really dark moment in al
Speaker 1: Capone's life. It's in the movie The Untouchables, but it's
Speaker 1: like way scaled down from what it was where al
Speaker 1: Capone took a baseball bat to a couple of guys.
Speaker 1: It's really brutal. And I'm, you know, picturing him in
Speaker 1: this room, like I'm doing this for my son, that kid,
Speaker 1: you know, so he doesn't have to. I my hands
Speaker 1: looked like this, so his.
Speaker 2: Could look like that, you know, Like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: I'm not.
Speaker 1: The sentiment you want, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: it's not as sweet as you think it is.
Speaker 2: Al, I know, I mean, you can justify anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, after a few years in prison, Al's health
Speaker 1: had gotten so bad that in nineteen thirty nine, he
Speaker 1: was released from Alcatraz to a California correctional institute where
Speaker 1: he would get more health focused care that may appealed
Speaker 1: to the court at this point, and in November of
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty nine, al Capone, one of the the most
Speaker 1: notorious criminals in US history, was paroled and released after
Speaker 1: only seven years, six months, and fifteen days behind bars.
Speaker 1: It's one of those weird feelings in some of the
Speaker 1: stories we do where I'm like.
Speaker 6: Oh, he got to go back to his wife because
Speaker 6: he was so sick, and that's really sweet. And also,
Speaker 6: you know, I just said, this guy severely destroyed three
Speaker 6: people's bodies with a baseball bat.
Speaker 2: Right and like a lot of people on his orders, Yeah,
Speaker 2: a lot of horrible things.
Speaker 1: He should have probably spent the rest of his life
Speaker 1: by bars.
Speaker 2: Or at least the full eleven years.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But also, like, is that not sort of an indictment
Speaker 2: of the prison system or there is that you're like,
Speaker 2: you're not taking good enough care of the people in
Speaker 2: your custody that they're getting out. I mean, he's not
Speaker 2: really getting away with anything because he's clearly not comfortable,
Speaker 2: like he's not going back to like hang out with
Speaker 2: all his friends in Abote great time. But still, I
Speaker 2: mean it does say something about it and Shitaly, we
Speaker 2: are treating our prisoners. He can't even keep them in jail.
Speaker 1: And there is something to be said about, like, you know,
Speaker 1: we're going to let you go home to die in
Speaker 1: your own bed, you know, like there's certainly a humaneness
Speaker 1: to that that I think is important. But yeah, again,
Speaker 1: larger conversation about what's the point of prison. Are we
Speaker 1: doing it because we want vengeance and punishment or is
Speaker 1: it meant to deter and rehabilitate blah blah.
Speaker 2: Blah at all crazy, right, very complicated conversation at any rate.
Speaker 1: Al Capone was so badly affected by the disease at
Speaker 1: this point, not to mention his years of drug and
Speaker 1: alcohol abuse, and also, of course the terrible healthcare he
Speaker 1: did receive in prison that his brain had regressed to
Speaker 1: that of a twelve year old, so May cared for
Speaker 1: him personally at their home in Miami. In nineteen forty two,
Speaker 1: al became one of the first people ever to be
Speaker 1: treated for syphilis with penicillin. They's sort of known that
Speaker 1: it would work, and there had been experiments with mold
Speaker 1: growth treating disease for a couple of decades now, but
Speaker 1: the Army had just started mass producing it in a
Speaker 1: way that it could be taken specifically for syphilist now
Speaker 1: one of the first guys to take it.
Speaker 2: I didn't realize it was so recent in his say
Speaker 2: that we were yestributing penicillin's.
Speaker 1: Early nineteen forties. So al Capone starts taking penicillin. It
Speaker 1: wasn't going to undo the damage that had already been done,
Speaker 1: but it did seem to stop the progression of the disease,
Speaker 1: and it kept him alive for several more years.
Speaker 2: At this point, Sonny or Albert Junior, now had kids
Speaker 2: of his own, and May and al visited them regularly.
Speaker 2: Al delighted in spending time with his grandchildren, and the
Speaker 2: FBI watched Sonny really close because they wanted to make
Speaker 2: sure that he did not go into the family business.
Speaker 2: But that was not ever really very likely because both
Speaker 2: his parents had such an aversion to involving him and
Speaker 2: all that right. An FBI reports said quote, it is
Speaker 2: known that both al and May have made a determined
Speaker 2: and conscientious effort throughout the life of the boy to
Speaker 2: shield him from such influences that surrounded al And to
Speaker 2: preclude any possibility of his falling into a life of crime.
Speaker 2: It is a parent that may has exerted a great
Speaker 2: deal of effort to see that Sonny led a clean life.
Speaker 2: So Sonny was a used car salesman for a while,
Speaker 2: but he quit when he found out that his boss
Speaker 2: was manipulating the odometery. Wow, just like Matilda's dad, mister
Speaker 2: Worm would, right.
Speaker 1: I think that's funny it Sonny like sees this one
Speaker 1: crime happening and he's like, no, nope, I'm out. I'm
Speaker 1: not doing that, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean he might have been extra for himself, not
Speaker 2: just because of his parents, but kind of because of
Speaker 2: his parents. I don't want to deal with all that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I cannot even next to a crime because my name
Speaker 2: is Capone. So there's no way that I won't be
Speaker 2: implicated in some way, shape or form. Like there's stereotypes
Speaker 2: about our I guess, preconceived notions about who I might be,
Speaker 2: and so.
Speaker 1: I have to be extra knowing full well that he's
Speaker 1: got the FBI watching him all the time too, and surely,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe he is trying to protect his boss.
Speaker 1: He's like, do you know who I am and who's
Speaker 1: watching me?
Speaker 2: You should not be manipulating these daughters.
Speaker 1: Right, the FBI is like, we didn't have time for that.
Speaker 1: We used car salesman as like knocking his price up
Speaker 1: a thousand bucks whatever.
Speaker 2: I did love because we you know, we have such
Speaker 2: a stereotype of used car salesman all being like total
Speaker 2: lemon sellars or whatever. That's funny. He's like, I'm going
Speaker 2: to lead a clean life by selling used cars.
Speaker 1: And the FBI knew that May was getting six hundred
Speaker 1: dollars every week just a check showed up in the mail,
Speaker 1: and that seemed to be her only source of income.
Speaker 1: Very likely that that was hush money from the MOP, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously they're gonna want to throw a little
Speaker 1: money because it's Al Capone, right, like you were, you
Speaker 1: were the guy around here, so out of respect, little money, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: But also I bet they were also like, well we got
Speaker 2: to pinch it off the Why sure. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: if you go to jail and stuff like, you can't
Speaker 2: just leave the ladies out to drive.
Speaker 1: Got to take care of family.
Speaker 2: You're in the family here, the kids.
Speaker 1: Well, the mob had restructured quite a bit since Capone
Speaker 1: was incarcerated, but he still knew a lot about their operations,
Speaker 1: and this made things a lot harder for May because
Speaker 1: as al was getting sicker, he became prone to talking
Speaker 1: to himself or invisible guests at their home. So, according
Speaker 1: to the Vintage News dot Com, May had to be
Speaker 1: extra careful to keep him away from the press because
Speaker 1: if he, you know, said something he shouldn't have quote
Speaker 1: old friends might have had to pay him a visit
Speaker 1: and silence him for good. So not only has she
Speaker 1: taken care of him, she's also like keeping him from
Speaker 1: getting himself.
Speaker 2: Killed right by a guy who's definitely going to cry
Speaker 2: a single tear before he pulls the tiger those why
Speaker 2: do you make me do this?
Speaker 1: Like what I'm trying to take of, There's like a
Speaker 1: movie or something where someone's protecting someone they love who has,
Speaker 1: you know, a mental disability of some sort, and they're like,
Speaker 1: I got, I'm working so hard to keep you from
Speaker 1: doing something? What is that movie work? It's so hard
Speaker 1: to keep you from getting yourself killed? Right? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I know what I'm thinking of? What Ozark?
Speaker 2: Oh of course, Oh my god, that was very upsetting. Well, anyway,
Speaker 2: that whole storyline, if you want to feel it's good,
Speaker 2: it's good.
Speaker 1: It's so good and one of the best monologues on TV.
Speaker 2: I'll just say that the actor is amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's so good, all right. Anyway, anyway, no spoiling,
Speaker 1: so Alice continuing to get worse and worse. May is
Speaker 1: trying desperately to take care of him, and she did
Speaker 1: make sure that he got the best medical care possible,
Speaker 1: and she made sure that he was comfortable in their
Speaker 1: Miami home. But Al suffered a stroke in January of
Speaker 1: nineteen forty seven, and shortly after contracted pneumonia. On January
Speaker 1: twenty fifth, nineteen forty seven, Al Capone died of cardiac arrest.
Speaker 1: May was so devastated when they closed his eyes as
Speaker 1: she collapsed, and she needed medical attention herself that night.
Speaker 2: Oh wow.
Speaker 1: But she and Sonny would live under Al's shadow for
Speaker 1: many years to come. We'll take a quick break, here's
Speaker 1: some fine words from our sponsors, and we'll come back
Speaker 1: and talk all about that right after this. Welcome back, everybody.
Speaker 2: So May had loved Al so much and seemed to
Speaker 2: be focused on his well being for most of his life. Yeah,
Speaker 2: their granddaughter once said, quote, it's as if the house
Speaker 2: died when he did. May was a very devoted grandmother.
Speaker 2: She spent most of her time with Sonny, his wife
Speaker 2: and their children, but she was always really lonely and sad,
Speaker 2: and she reportedly never slept in their bedroom again.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: She told her grandchildren quote, I had such happy times
Speaker 2: there with Papa, and he's not there, and I don't
Speaker 2: want to go into that room anymore. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: takes my heart.
Speaker 1: It does like that. It's so weird to be like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, al Capone, let's breaking my heart here.
Speaker 1: But love is love, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think that's what I like about this
Speaker 2: show is that, you know, as terrible as some of
Speaker 2: the people that we've covered have been, yeah, the emotion
Speaker 2: is still so real and it's so human. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: it is still romantic at times. I mean not Carl Tandler,
Speaker 2: but like a lot of them, it's just like, oh,
Speaker 2: they fell in love. Look a normal person, but they
Speaker 2: just chose a really shitty way to act to other people.
Speaker 1: I guess, Yeah, And it just shows to me that
Speaker 1: it's like there's like, oh, I wish we could stop
Speaker 1: being so horrible. And it's such a like hippy hippy
Speaker 1: thing to say, but I truly wish we could stop
Speaker 1: being so horrible each other, because everybody wants the same thing, right,
Speaker 1: Like if you're a murderer, a thief or a you know,
Speaker 1: if you're a politician, or you're just a good old,
Speaker 1: you know, normal ass person living a good life, like
Speaker 1: you just want to be loved and love somebody, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's true everybody. Well, may became increasingly pious. Aside
Speaker 2: from seeing her family, she basically only left home to
Speaker 2: attend Mass, and she was also a diligent observer of
Speaker 2: Omertach the mafia code, where you don't talk to nobody
Speaker 2: about nothing else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you keep your mouth, just keep your mouth shut.
Speaker 1: You don't say nothing, talk about the business.
Speaker 2: According to burg Green quote, not once did she yield
Speaker 2: to the temptation to give an interview in defense of
Speaker 2: her husband.
Speaker 1: Must have been so hard to because we know she
Speaker 1: loved him so much and she really hated the attacks
Speaker 1: on his character.
Speaker 2: I mean, then the fact that she would come out
Speaker 2: and be like, I'm not divorcing him. Yeah, got that idea.
Speaker 2: That shit ain't real, like h it tells you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she was clearly fiercely protective of him in a lot
Speaker 2: of ways.
Speaker 1: But we also learned in the first episode about how
Speaker 1: that backfired the one time that she did come out
Speaker 1: because her son, the Sonny, was getting bullied in school
Speaker 1: after al you know, had gotten arrested for something else
Speaker 1: at some point, and she was like, look, can everybody
Speaker 1: just keep our names out of the press? Al Capone
Speaker 1: he's not so bad blah blah blah, and my son's
Speaker 1: getting bullied, and the press turned it into al Capone's
Speaker 1: wife says his behavior is so bad that her son
Speaker 1: is is taking the blame for it, you know, so
Speaker 1: it ended up looking bad. So she probably knows too.
Speaker 1: There's no winning.
Speaker 2: There's a yeah, I can't say the right thing, yeah,
Speaker 2: at any at any point.
Speaker 1: And that's still true. I mean you get all the
Speaker 1: time we're seeing headlines manipulated to make something look more
Speaker 1: absurd than.
Speaker 2: It is, especially if you're on the defense. Yeah, Like
Speaker 2: if you're a the defense side, there's I mean, it's
Speaker 2: like impossible to sound like you're not trying to cover
Speaker 2: your ass or you're talking shit or justifying or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but one particular public event did get May and
Speaker 1: Sonny all fired up, and that is going to give
Speaker 1: us a great, big crossover Alert no one of our
Speaker 1: previous episodes is coming in hot, because in nineteen fifty nine,
Speaker 1: a TV studio made a show about Elliot Ness and
Speaker 1: his incorruptible band of prohibision bureau agents who helped take
Speaker 1: down Capone. These men had been called the Untouchables by
Speaker 1: the press, and that is what the title of this
Speaker 1: four season TV series was called. And of course we
Speaker 1: know the movie in nineteen eighty seven with Kevin Costner,
Speaker 1: also The Untouchables. But this TV show was greenlit and
Speaker 1: produced by none other. And if you know the show, well,
Speaker 1: you might already know because we talked about it in
Speaker 1: their episode by our old friends lucieale Ball and Desi Arnez.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, The Untouchables was one of the big, huge shows
Speaker 1: that made Desilu one of the biggest TV studios in
Speaker 1: the country. Lucy green lit the show herself, Desi produced it.
Speaker 1: Desilu Productions made a two part pilot based on elliot
Speaker 1: Ness's memoir, and this pilot ended with Capone's conviction, so
Speaker 1: that the beginning of the show was all about them
Speaker 1: going after al Capone. Those two episodes aired on CBS.
Speaker 1: CBS declined to pick up the show. Afterwards and ended
Speaker 1: up running it for four years. And The Untouchables is
Speaker 1: basically the predecessor to countless cop dramas that we see
Speaker 1: on TV today. Right, once again, Desi Arnez set in
Speaker 1: the tone for TV for a century, And.
Speaker 2: Of course cop dramas are the predecessor to my favorite
Speaker 2: hit TOOM for the nine nine. So thank you, Desia.
Speaker 1: Currently in her fourteenth re watch of Brooklyn.
Speaker 2: I already did Parks and rec and the Good Place,
Speaker 2: you know, so it's time to go back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. Well, it's not just that this show
Speaker 1: caught the attention of May and Sonny. Desi Yarnez actually
Speaker 1: knew that he was going to get a phone call
Speaker 1: about it because he had been childhood classmates with Sonny
Speaker 1: Capona after al moved his family down to Miami. Sonny
Speaker 1: and Desi Arnez were in the same grade school together
Speaker 1: and they were actually really good friends. Oh now, they
Speaker 1: hadn't seen each other in years, but Desi knew that
Speaker 1: this series was going to bring Sonny out of the woodwork.
Speaker 2: So when the news broke that Desi Lou was adapting
Speaker 2: Nessa's book into his show, long before they even finished production,
Speaker 2: Sonny got in touch with Desi and said, quote why
Speaker 2: you Why did you have to do it? Because he'd
Speaker 2: always hoped that Elliott Ness's autobiography would just kind of
Speaker 2: fizzle out. People don't like to read. You know, this
Speaker 2: is not gonna be a problem. But this show brought
Speaker 2: it to every house in America, and Desi made the
Speaker 2: argument that if he had not produced the show, someone
Speaker 2: else quote with less appreciation for the Capone family would
Speaker 2: make the show. So he's kind of like, I'm the
Speaker 2: best person to do this. It's gonna happen no matter what.
Speaker 1: Right now.
Speaker 2: The call ended abruptly when Sonny, furious with Desi, said
Speaker 2: I'm gonna sue you, and he hung up. Now, Desi
Speaker 2: actually did handle the character of Capone with restraint. After this,
Speaker 2: he kind of glossed over his brutality, right although it
Speaker 2: was still a shockingly violent show for its time.
Speaker 1: That baseball scene, that baseball bat scene we talked about
Speaker 1: earlier was cut, okay from it was in the script apparently,
Speaker 1: and they ended up not using it. Now some people
Speaker 1: say that never would have made it to air anyway,
Speaker 1: But Desi Arnez had told Sonny in this phone call,
Speaker 1: like look, I'll do my best to not make your
Speaker 1: dad look too bad and he helped a little.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, so it might have happened anyway, but it
Speaker 2: might have yit Deasi. So Sonny and May did sue
Speaker 2: Desilu and CBS for their depiction of al Capone. They
Speaker 2: said it infringed on their privacy and it brought them
Speaker 2: humiliation and shame, and Sonny said he even had to
Speaker 2: move cities to protect his kids who were getting bullied
Speaker 2: in school, kind of like Sonny himself had experienced. Right,
Speaker 2: But the Chicago Circuit Court rejected the suit, and even
Speaker 2: after going to the Supreme Court, it was rejected as
Speaker 2: well because they decided that privacy rights don't extend to
Speaker 2: the next of ken.
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, so you.
Speaker 2: Can say whatever you want about al Capone.
Speaker 1: Yeah? So is any TV show could come out and
Speaker 1: talk about Yo Mama and say whatever they want and
Speaker 1: you can't do nothing about it.
Speaker 2: That seems kind of weird because of where it bleeds
Speaker 2: into your life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, is kind of affect. They're like if they and
Speaker 1: the show didn't depict May or Sonny, So they're like, so, hey,
Speaker 1: we didn't say anything about you. I guess that makes sense,
Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, I don't know. It's rocky for the
Speaker 1: legal scholars, not for me. And it wasn't just the
Speaker 1: Capones who were upset about this show either. Other Italian Americans,
Speaker 1: including All Blue Eyes Frank Sinatra, called out the show
Speaker 1: for promoting negative stereotypes. He's like, you.
Speaker 7: Can't say shit about Italians beautiful. We're just as good
Speaker 7: as everybody else.
Speaker 1: So why I don't want.
Speaker 7: To see this TV shown because otherwise will come to
Speaker 7: your house with the bat.
Speaker 1: Frank Sinatra also very involved in the.
Speaker 2: Mob, so I was just about to say, I mean,
Speaker 2: it's not like his mop. Your friends were not like, hey, Frank, yeah,
Speaker 2: you gotta say, you gotta get out there. You have
Speaker 2: the face of the mob.
Speaker 1: Basically, well, Italian American groups did organize protests and boycotts
Speaker 1: for all being portrayed as criminals and mobsters. And I
Speaker 1: mean this was a big problem on the show. Every
Speaker 1: time there was like some low level henchmen, it was
Speaker 1: always like Johnny Tucci or you know Barbarrino Barbarelli, you
Speaker 1: know whatever.
Speaker 2: Yes, Barbarino Barbarelli. Hey a great character.
Speaker 1: He beats Lasagna and I'm going to break your knees.
Speaker 1: You know, they would do stuff like that, and I'm
Speaker 1: mocking them for doing it, not saying that that's what
Speaker 1: I would say now.
Speaker 2: And it makes sense because we talked about in the
Speaker 2: first episode with May and Al getting together, how much
Speaker 2: Irish people, you know, they were kind of it's that racism,
Speaker 2: things like how much closer you are to whiteness is
Speaker 2: you're closer to power. So they'd be like, I'm trying
Speaker 2: to say, Italian people ain't white, you know, And so
Speaker 2: there was like a lot of that going on. Yeah,
Speaker 2: at this time.
Speaker 1: And as a person with a lot of Italian background
Speaker 1: in my own family who very white myself, I am
Speaker 1: a very white person. That's so insane to me. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's ridiculous, right.
Speaker 2: And also Irish you have a.
Speaker 1: B oh yeah, my mom's got a ton of Irish
Speaker 1: blood too, So yeah, I'm like, yeah, man, maybe I
Speaker 1: wouldn't do so well in the nineteen thirties. That's sure
Speaker 1: that any of us do so well in the nineteen thirties.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: None of us were made for the nineteen thirties, and
Speaker 2: that's why we're here today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but after four days of picketing by these Italian
Speaker 1: American groups. The main sponsor of the show, Ellen m Cigarettes,
Speaker 1: said all right, we're going to drop our sponsorship. We
Speaker 1: hear you. You know, we're going to change our Facebook
Speaker 1: Facebook profile picture to an Italian flag. You know, we're
Speaker 1: all going to be seen eating stromboli out in public.
Speaker 1: You know, we're doing our part sponsorship. But this did
Speaker 1: work because after this, Desi Arnez and ABC announced a
Speaker 1: three point manifesto for the show moving forward and for
Speaker 1: I think all ABC shows. The first was that there
Speaker 1: would be no more fictional hoodlums with Italian names in
Speaker 1: future productions, no more PiZZ Lasagna breaking the jobs. Right,
Speaker 1: if it wasn't a real historical person, they weren't going
Speaker 1: to make one.
Speaker 2: Up, okay.
Speaker 1: Number two was that more attention would be paid to
Speaker 1: the character of Rico Rossi, who was elliot Ness's right
Speaker 1: hand man, so he was one of the law enforcers,
Speaker 1: and they were like, let's make him more of a hero.
Speaker 2: Because I'm assuming he's Italian. Yeah, yeah, it makes sense.
Speaker 1: And number three, an emphasis would be given to the
Speaker 1: quote formidable influence of Italian American officials in reducing crime
Speaker 1: and focus on the quote great contributions made to American
Speaker 1: culture by Americans of Italian descent. So it was very
Speaker 1: much like that sort of I don't know, I feel
Speaker 1: like we've seen it in recent years in media with
Speaker 1: black culture, especially where they're like, okay, all right, we
Speaker 1: have been super racist. We're going to try and do
Speaker 1: better and focus on a few things, and you know,
Speaker 1: some progress.
Speaker 2: I'm a little jealous that only took four days of picketing.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know that wouldn't work well.
Speaker 1: Back then. The corporations had not yet learned how to
Speaker 1: dodge that kind of stuff, so they had to be
Speaker 1: a little more responsive to protests because you know, they
Speaker 1: hadn't completely rewritten the laws in their favor yet. Right,
Speaker 1: But that this is probably what made him start working
Speaker 1: on Oh.
Speaker 2: Surely, I guess maybe some pencil necks in here.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now, overall, as other women of her era were stepping
Speaker 2: up and being more vocal, May was looking for anonymity
Speaker 2: in the fight against prohibition. She aggressively stayed out of it,
Speaker 2: probably because her husband had profited from the laws of right.
Speaker 2: Had he to say, and I don't really want you
Speaker 2: to stop prohibition because it's been really a.
Speaker 1: Boon for me, or even if she did, she might
Speaker 1: get some side eyes like, oh, yeah, you always had
Speaker 1: a real problem with illegal booze, didn't she?
Speaker 2: Sure, although that I feel like that would make it
Speaker 2: more credible. Even though I have profited off the prohibition law,
Speaker 2: I think we should all get rid of it.
Speaker 1: I have all the money I need, so let's stop.
Speaker 2: Now that I'm done making money. But it was report
Speaker 2: that she did want the law repealed because many mothers
Speaker 2: of the time did not want their sons growing up
Speaker 2: quote in the hip flask speakeasy atmosphere that polluted their
Speaker 2: own youth.
Speaker 1: Sure that makes sense.
Speaker 2: So yeah, she reportedly was like, I'm good with it
Speaker 2: going away. But she just never took a public stance
Speaker 2: on the matter. And while other mob wives had written
Speaker 2: books about their wild lives, you know, getting on that
Speaker 2: memoir train, may never wrote or published anything. She allegedly
Speaker 2: even burned all of her diaries and the love letters
Speaker 2: al sent her from prison so that no one could
Speaker 2: read them after her death.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's that takes. That takes something I don't have
Speaker 1: because I'm sentimental, you know, I know, I agree, I
Speaker 1: got these love letters. These will outlast me. Seriously, what
Speaker 1: if I need to read them when I'm lonely in
Speaker 1: eighty six years old? Yact what I.
Speaker 2: Was about to say, It seems like something you would
Speaker 2: more have put in your will, like, Sonny, make sure
Speaker 2: you burn all my shit after I've bead But she's like,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do it so that I see that it
Speaker 2: was done. Yeah, Like that's kind of a sacrifice.
Speaker 1: Well, also, you look at someone who grew up in
Speaker 1: the early twentieth century America, she's probably not very sentimental.
Speaker 1: It's probably used to things like being like, oh, this
Speaker 1: journal my great great grandfather wrote, but I can't start
Speaker 1: a fire for the soup tonight, so here it's kindling.
Speaker 1: Now you know that's so true.
Speaker 2: I got there. I was thinking about that because there
Speaker 2: so many of our stories are about letters getting lost
Speaker 2: or aren't around anymore. They got burned or destroyed or whatever.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, well, how could you you know? In
Speaker 2: my mind, I'm like, how could you destroy a walk
Speaker 2: Wootman letter to about or whatever. But at the time,
Speaker 2: of course, you're cleaning out, you know, your grandma's apartment
Speaker 2: or whatever, and it's stacked full of letters because there's
Speaker 2: no phone calls, so you're just like, obviously, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: burn this happy. These things are just like, hey bitch,
Speaker 2: where's my shit?
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter for real.
Speaker 2: So yeah, anyway, so she burned all that shit, and
Speaker 2: then she eventually sold the mansion. She moved to a
Speaker 2: retirement home in Hollywood, Florida, where she lived until nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty six, when she passed at eighty nine years old.
Speaker 1: Well now, Sonny ended up changing his name to Albert
Speaker 1: Francis Brown because, according to his lawyer, quote, he was
Speaker 1: just sick and tired of fighting the name.
Speaker 2: Can't believe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's true. I mean, he mostly was fine. He
Speaker 1: did get arrested once for like really petty shoplifting, like
Speaker 1: a pack of cigarettes or something, and they arrested him
Speaker 1: and he was like, everybody steals a little something now,
Speaker 1: and then I just yeah, right. But he did live
Speaker 1: a quiet, law abiding life. He married three times, and
Speaker 1: when he died in July of two thousand and four,
Speaker 1: his wife America told a reporter quote, al Capone has
Speaker 1: been dead a long long time. His son had nothing
Speaker 1: to do with him. Let him rest in peace. For
Speaker 1: crying out loud. He suffered enough in his life for
Speaker 1: being who he was, So we can imagine that things
Speaker 1: were kind of tough for Albert Francis Brown. You know,
Speaker 1: how do you escape the shadow of al Capone?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: I mean this guy was, first of all, like Laurence Bergreen,
Speaker 1: who wrote the book that we've been quoting for the
Speaker 1: most part, said al Capone was quote the best known,
Speaker 1: least understood gangster of all And that's got for someone
Speaker 1: who's close to him. That's got to be so hard
Speaker 1: because we probably understand this better today. The image of
Speaker 1: you in the press is nothing like what you're like
Speaker 1: to the people who know and love you. Right, And
Speaker 1: that's not to say al Capone was not a monster.
Speaker 1: He absolutely murdered a bunch of people, committed a bunch
Speaker 1: of crimes drugs. You know, he was out there pushing
Speaker 1: drugs on the street, like a lot of bad stuff
Speaker 1: and a lot of bad things to happen to a
Speaker 1: lot of you know, otherwise probably good people because of him.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: But also the picture they paint, the idea that everyone
Speaker 1: who ever would come up and try to talk to
Speaker 1: this kid about his dad is probably also totally inaccurate
Speaker 1: or fictitious or you know, blown out of proportion.
Speaker 2: Well, and Sonny doesn't know that. Al, he knows a
Speaker 2: different al right. Like That's the other thing that I
Speaker 2: find fascinating about our show sometimes is that when you're
Speaker 2: focusing on these intimate lives and the internal feelings and
Speaker 2: emotions of somebody, that's that multitude bring Walt Whitman again, right,
Speaker 2: that's those multitudes where you're like, there's a soft person
Speaker 2: in here. This is a guy who loved his kid,
Speaker 2: and he probably played catch with him, and he was
Speaker 2: super nice to his wife, and you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: At home, right, he's a great guy. Right, and then
Speaker 2: outside of the home, he's something else. But Sonny only
Speaker 2: knew one side of him. He probably didn't want to
Speaker 2: hear about the other sides at all, so he could
Speaker 2: maintain his own memories and the person he respected and loved.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's really difficult, I think for anyone with
Speaker 2: a very infamous or famous relative, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, and it's so it's tough. We go back
Speaker 1: to part one, We look at how tod al get
Speaker 1: into this, because sometimes I'm like, Al, you could have
Speaker 1: been a very successful businessman. He was really good at accounting,
Speaker 1: He had like a legit job at a construction firm.
Speaker 1: You know, he was raising his family. Everything was fine,
Speaker 1: and then his dad died. He got depressed and Johnny
Speaker 1: Torreo showed up and said, how'd you like to be
Speaker 1: one of the richest people in the world. And money corrupts,
Speaker 1: you know, and also, like, you know, his situation, while fine,
Speaker 1: was probably not great, and he was depressed because his
Speaker 1: dad died, and he was also taking care of his
Speaker 1: mother because his older brothers weren't doing very well financially.
Speaker 1: So all these factors come together and al Capone's like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'll get into organized crime. Then undiagnosed syphilis case makes
Speaker 1: him crazy and he turns into this violent monster. He
Speaker 1: was a pretty violent guy to begin with, not saying
Speaker 1: he wasn't, but they a lot of these scholars are
Speaker 1: saying syphilis was a big part of why al Capone
Speaker 1: was so brutal. Yeah, and so it's just this perfect
Speaker 1: storm that creates this horrible person who probably otherwise to have
Speaker 1: been a perfectly good person. And that's kind of sad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, true, we just can't divorce people from their circumstance rights.
Speaker 2: Because he came up in a violent world, right, So
Speaker 2: that's another thing that makes it hard sometimes. Go again
Speaker 2: with the prison conversation. Yeah, where you're like, obviously you're
Speaker 2: hurting people, you're doing crazy things, you need to be
Speaker 2: removed from society, Like you have proven that you're not
Speaker 2: a reliable roommate for the rest of us. But there's
Speaker 2: also so much to be said about if you grow
Speaker 2: up in a violent place where that's your only chance
Speaker 2: of surviving, you're stupid to not be a brutal person, right, Like,
Speaker 2: it's not smart. Yeah, it's not a survival instinct. We
Speaker 2: as humans are trying to survive. So anyway, it's just
Speaker 2: one of those things that makes it hard to Yeah,
Speaker 2: because humans are very complicated. We don't have one thing.
Speaker 2: We're not all malice, we're not all good, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you look at another very common denominator in
Speaker 1: most crime activity in this country. He grew up in
Speaker 1: a very poor neighborhood, but an under certain neighborhood at least,
Speaker 1: you know, or is full of Italian Americans who are
Speaker 1: very looked down on. They probably had a hard time
Speaker 1: getting out of that neighborhood, didn't have a lot of
Speaker 1: opportunities because of racism and what happens then a group
Speaker 1: of people go to all the teenagers and say, hey,
Speaker 1: why don't you come work for me. You can make
Speaker 1: some money, Yeah, have some fun and you can go
Speaker 1: spend it down at the five and dime, but you
Speaker 1: can give your mom some of it and she can
Speaker 1: make a good dinner tonight. Like what attempting opportunity that
Speaker 1: grown ass criminals are making to young men, you know,
Speaker 1: who are not only impressionable, but kind of desperate for
Speaker 1: a something to do and be something to make their
Speaker 1: lives better. Yeah, So, like you said, of course he
Speaker 1: grew up ready to be a criminal. That was normal
Speaker 1: to him. So not to say that plenty of kids
Speaker 1: in that neighborhood didn't grow up to be criminals. And
Speaker 1: there's not a choice at a certain point you make
Speaker 1: that you're responsible for, because there is. But I don't know,
Speaker 1: we just we have such a hard time looking at
Speaker 1: the circumstances that you enterate crime in here. We're so
Speaker 1: focused on what we do after Yeah, crime that uh
Speaker 1: that we were not We're really not good at preventing it.
Speaker 1: We really think that oh, if we scare people with
Speaker 1: the punishments enough, they just won't do it. Like people
Speaker 1: aren't doing it because they think they can get away
Speaker 1: with it, or they just want to because it's fun.
Speaker 1: They're doing it because they kind of have to, or
Speaker 1: they see it as their only opportunity.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, And like well even experts like recently, not
Speaker 2: that recently even came out and said, yeah, crime does pay,
Speaker 2: but like, oh fucking does, and a lot of people
Speaker 2: don't get caught, you know, or especially if you're freaking
Speaker 2: al Capone and you got all the cops on in
Speaker 2: politicians and you locket, how can you ever feel fear
Speaker 2: of that retribution? You know, like there's nothing anyway, We're
Speaker 2: bad at prevention because it's not sexy. But but it
Speaker 2: is annoying the conversation because you're like, I'd rather know
Speaker 2: that you tried really hard to keep someone from becoming
Speaker 2: a criminal and then say, well, they chose it anyway,
Speaker 2: and now we can react to that that choice. But
Speaker 2: if I know, wow, you came from a place where
Speaker 2: like literally no one gave a shit about you, so
Speaker 2: you started doing bad things. It's like, well, what did
Speaker 2: you expect?
Speaker 1: Ye?
Speaker 2: Anyway, But I do feel sorry for Sonny that he was,
Speaker 2: you know, having he was trying so hard not to
Speaker 2: be his father, and he is still associated that he
Speaker 2: had to change his name. That kind of sucks.
Speaker 1: There are a lot of Capone descendants out there somewhere,
Speaker 1: but again probably last name Brown.
Speaker 2: Oh wait a minute, could it be?
Speaker 1: Could it be you're the descendant of the Earl of
Speaker 1: Rochester and al Capone Dudley?
Speaker 2: Than it could be. Maybe that's it. On one side,
Speaker 2: we got Dudley maybe sleeping with the Queen, the Virgin
Speaker 2: Queen Man. So you're on the other side we got
Speaker 2: Copones speculation station.
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Speaker 1: would bring an organizational mindset, an administrative mindset that they've
Speaker 1: probably been lacking for a long time, and a humility
Speaker 1: that they could probably stand.
Speaker 2: To have to the crime to.
Speaker 1: The Royal family and the Chicago crime outfit. I see,
Speaker 1: And part of me thinks you would just hate it
Speaker 1: so much. Oh, you'd be too nice. You'd be too sweet.
Speaker 2: I would not like it. I would not like it.
Speaker 2: It would have to be a sitcom situation where I
Speaker 2: come in and I'm really sweet and it changes everyone's
Speaker 2: entire personalities, which is not realistic.
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