WEBVTT - Ep19 - Casey Affleck / "Manchester by the Sea" 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:24.160 Welcome to Playback, a Variety podcast. I'm your host, Variety 0:00:24.160 --> 0:00:27.240 Awards Editor Chris Tapley. On this week's episode, we talked 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:29.760 about the Golden Globes as well as the PGA nominations 0:00:29.800 --> 0:00:32.720 where Deadpool remains strong this season. A little bit later, 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:35.360 I'll be talking to Manchester by the C star Casey Affleck. 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:52.120 So stick around. Welcome back, everyone. I'm here with Janelle. 0:00:52.280 --> 0:00:55.640 Good morning, and you're probably gonna pick up some outside 0:00:55.680 --> 0:00:58.200 chatter because we're in a different spot today. Our coworkers 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:03.760 are so loud, such loud nuisances. Really I like them. 0:01:03.840 --> 0:01:07.120 I swear they're all gonna be like is that shade? 0:01:07.160 --> 0:01:08.560 I don't know with them now. If they don't listen 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:11.960 to this, Justin listens to it. Justin Krol was happy 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:13.760 for his shout out. Actually, I told him at the 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:16.119 shout out that's probably why he listened that little sit. 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:20.800 He made an appointment. They're talking about me. That's justin 0:01:20.840 --> 0:01:23.520 crawl limitation. It was a great justic cREL limitation where 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:27.600 I had the Golden Globes this weekend. Oh tired, Yeah, 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:32.200 I had an eleven hour day on Saturday with you know, 0:01:32.360 --> 0:01:34.880 I hate to say, like so many parties, but so 0:01:34.920 --> 0:01:37.120 many parties. Yeah, I skipped a lot of you know. 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:38.640 The only thing I really like to go to is 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:42.200 the Bath to Tea party, which was fun people though. Yeah, 0:01:42.240 --> 0:01:43.920 and then I skipped over to the Laula Land party 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:46.280 for a little bit. And then I've closed out the 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:48.440 day with the Visual Effects bake Off, which was a 0:01:48.440 --> 0:01:50.320 four hour event. Is that the first time you've been 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:53.880 in and of itself? Yeah, first time make presentations in cases. 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:55.520 I was excited to go, but at the end of 0:01:55.520 --> 0:01:58.320 that day, I was just like fading so hard. But 0:01:58.680 --> 0:02:01.560 it's a very interesting event, you know. They make Basically, 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:04.240 they have a timed spot where they come up one 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:05.680 of the one of the people come up and they 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:09.080 talk about the effects, and only one guy went over 0:02:09.160 --> 0:02:10.920 his time and had to be interrupted. That was the 0:02:10.919 --> 0:02:14.840 Fantastic Beasts Christian Man's uh went over his allotted time. 0:02:15.040 --> 0:02:17.520 And then they show a reel and then the entire 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:19.320 group gets up there and answers a couple of questions 0:02:19.320 --> 0:02:22.200 for like ten minutes. What is the allotted time for 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:25.200 them to speak overall? I think the first like the 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:28.799 opening bit seems like it's like five minutes, maybe ten, 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:31.440 And then the Q and A afterwards feels like it's 0:02:31.480 --> 0:02:35.320 about ten minutes. And how many movies it's a long night. 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:37.080 It is a long night. Is that how they do 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:42.360 make up as well? I think they they used to 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:44.480 do sound effects. Actually, I would love to have bend 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:46.200 one of those back in the day. And they're open 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:48.040 to the public. They're open to the public. You can 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:50.280 just show up. That is so cool. I mean I won't, 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:52.799 but it's really cool they hear about for the geeks 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:56.000 in us. It's fun and and uh, it matters if 0:02:56.000 --> 0:02:58.280 you have a really good reel, because the best real 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:01.120 I thought by far was Deepwater Rising. Oh that's great, 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:03.679 so elegantly put together, Like a lot of these because 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:06.080 they're showing different scenes, it's like stop and start, really 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:09.960 jagged editing. The only movie that seemed to think, hey, 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:11.680 let's just cut the black for a second before each 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:13.799 scene was Cubo, which, by the way, I think is 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:17.320 a dark horse for this because that it made it 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:19.560 this far as kind of interesting as it is. Don't 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:21.760 you think this is how we should pick the movies 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:24.400 to Like, somebody gets up and says, here's my case 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:27.239 for nocturnal animals. That would be Aaron Taylor Johnson sits 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:31.640 on a toilet, speaking of speaking of, let's talk about 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:34.280 the Globes kicking off with a big shocker, and then 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:37.440 in the bath denominated him as well, you know, hey, 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:40.440 the thing is, I can't criticize the choice. I think 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:43.440 Aaron Taylor Johnson is the best he's ever given. He's 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:45.760 great in the movie. I mentioned the toilet scene because 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:48.680 somebody was complaining on Twitter, that's that that that, that's 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:51.320 all anyone talks about, which I actually haven't seen many 0:03:51.320 --> 0:03:54.280 people talking about. I think of the seventeen minutes sequence 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:58.760 on the road where he terrorizes Yeah, and he's kind 0:03:58.760 --> 0:04:01.120 of unrecognizable too that in a certain way, like the 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:03.600 way his hair is done, and there's justin welcome by 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:06.480 right now. He probably knows we're talking about him. He's 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:10.320 got that sensor. I think he's a legit possibility. At 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:12.280 this point, we're going to go back to the seventies 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:14.720 to find a Golden Globe winner in that category that 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:18.400 didn't get nominated by the Really, oh, I didn't know that. Well, 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:20.320 I don't think anyone was more surprised than he was. 0:04:20.440 --> 0:04:22.960 And by the way he came backstage, um, because I 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:27.599 spent my Golden Globes day. Um backstage and the cutest 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:29.440 thing ever while he was you know, they cut the 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:32.400 sound to the show while the winners are backstage talking, 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:34.640 and he made them turn the sound back on so 0:04:34.640 --> 0:04:37.400 he could see Ryan Gosling's acceptance speech. Yeah, it was 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:42.440 the cutest thing seeing Ryan Gosling's sexist except wait, no, 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:45.760 are you serious? That's what everyone's saying? Who's everyone? I 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:47.719 have not heard this. I thought it was the entire 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:50.360 internet next to Meryl Streep. I thought it was the 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:51.680 best speech of the night. Yeah, I thought it was 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:54.640 great to look, we're in this age where we talked 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:57.640 about Steve Martin last week and Ryan Gosling caught ship 0:04:57.760 --> 0:05:00.440 this this time. I literally have not seen or heard 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:03.360 any of this. Just avoid it. Okay, that's probably a 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:06.400 good idea. I saw some piece about regarding Meryl streep 0:05:06.520 --> 0:05:11.040 speech where she was turning the handicapped gentleman she was 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:13.720 talking about into a victim, and I was like, really, 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:16.960 we are think piecing ourselves to the victim of bullying. 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:20.680 Maybe just yeah, I don't know how to explain it. Yeah, 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:24.960 this is this is why I don't read. This is 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:27.359 why I sit at home and watch movies. Golden Globes 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:30.719 was a sweep for a La La Land, which a 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:32.720 lot of people kind of thought that was gonna happen. 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:35.960 I they don't do that, So I thought, you know, 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:39.200 a couple of other shots. I thought our big surprise 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:42.320 would come in like Best Actor, like maybe Ryan Reynolds 0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:45.880 would sneak in, maybe Hugh Grant, or maybe they'd give songs. 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:47.440 I was thinking Hugh Grant was gonna win. I was 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:49.599 thinking Amy Adams was gonna win. It's about who pair 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:52.720 was as surprised though, forbe Now get the Oscar nomination. 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:55.520 I think she's in there, but that is a tight 0:05:55.640 --> 0:05:58.000 six horse race, like as tight as it can be. 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:01.080 And you know, all along, I mean all obviously picked 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:02.960 up votes with the speaks she's in. And you know, 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:04.920 I'm the one who's been saying all along that I 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:07.080 don't think she's in Now I think she is. Who 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:09.640 gets pushed out here, I mean, I mean the guests 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:12.840 my you know, Emistone and Alleportman are safe, and then 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:16.320 my guess is Amy Adams is in Meryl Streep. So 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:19.480 then you're pushing out a net bending. I've never has 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:22.440 not been doing anything from the start. I I didn't 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:25.080 see her making the cut from the start. Come on, yeah, no, 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:28.000 we've had this discussion. Yeah, you are a parent now 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:32.080 and your memory is fading. But I have always thought 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:34.680 it was too subtle a performance to I don't think 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:37.120 it's that's subtle. I think it's pretty lively. Actually, also 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:39.520 think it's a supporting performance. Well that's the thing. Like 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:42.320 at the start, I asked them like, would you push 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:45.039 that for supporting and they were like no, maybe they 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:48.200 should have. I mean, look, I'm still holding out hope 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:50.920 to Roger pi Hanson gets in. I know that that 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:52.880 could be a pipe dream at this this is this 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:55.839 is the other thing, Like all these awards, these Guild 0:06:55.839 --> 0:07:00.280 Awards and the Golden Globes have happened in a different timeline. Uh, 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:03.040 right now is when Academy voters have ballots in hands. 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:05.640 So Figures is a story right now. It beats Star 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:08.520 Wars at the box office blah blah blah. So yeah, 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:10.840 and it came on strong with the PGA, got a nomination. 0:07:11.240 --> 0:07:15.520 As we both think it's picture. I don't think anyone 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:19.080 in the right mind thinks that Deadpool is going to 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:22.000 get the Best Picture. Oscar Nomination's the thing about Deadpool, 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:25.720 I have no problem with it getting a PGA nomination, said, well, 0:07:26.960 --> 0:07:29.000 someone said only someone said to me today, it took 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:30.600 ten years to make and it was at six million 0:07:30.640 --> 0:07:32.480 dollar movie that made seven and a million dollars. I'm like, 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:34.320 most movies take a decade to make. You don't get 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:36.960 a mid budget like fifty million dollars, So that's kind 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:40.480 of a weird. I had no problem with it gay 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:42.880 nominated the Globes. My problem with a gay nominated for 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:45.920 p g A is that there were clearly better movies 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:48.160 that could have made the cut. There were better superhero movies, 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:54.400 both Captain American Civil War and Doctor Strange. Dead Pool. 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:56.560 Right now, I just want to know what I'm missing? 0:07:57.600 --> 0:07:58.880 What do you mean? What you're that one is asking 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:02.560 me to confirm my age? Oh goodness, I mean is 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:04.240 that one? Holy crap? Can I watch a dead Pole 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:08.080 trailer on YouTube? Please? I'm a frank two years. Let's 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:15.680 watch this trailer together. Watching the Deadpool trailer everyone, you know, 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:19.080 someone made an excellent point about how minus the superhero stuff, 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:22.960 it's total oscar bait. He's got cancer, it's a love story. 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:27.840 I mean, look, this is a fun movie. It's an 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:30.480 irreverent movie. If it deserves any awards it deserves I 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:36.080 think marketing awards because they catch the marketing. Uh you know, 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:39.640 but you know, he quips, he curses. It's an R rated, 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:44.880 irreverent comedy. Is this what one? You know? What makes 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:48.600 for really good radio is watching and I think this 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:52.480 is hilarious. Leave me all alone here with less angry 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:55.400 Rosey o'donnald All right, that's a funny line. So w 0:08:55.480 --> 0:09:01.280 G A nomination? OKAYL see, I mean not CLC, Salt 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:08.160 and Peppa I'm all about so yeahmination wonderful marketing. Look, 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:11.000 I'm happy for Robo I felt. I'm happy for everybody 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:14.600 involved with the movie. I just think it's a little much. 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:18.959 We're going we got an ACE nomination, but w G 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:22.520 A nomination a PGA nomination. See, the ACE nomination is 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:24.040 the one that makes the most sense. It makes the 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:26.520 most sense. I think it's a very well edited movie. 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:29.040 But you know, p g A and I fought Sully 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:31.720 might get in there. Frank Marshall, that talk about a 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:34.520 movie that did well, like on a low budget and 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:37.280 you know for what it is, But that didn't happen. 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:39.320 And that movie seems to be dead are people do 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:41.880 they genuinely love it or do they love the narrative 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:44.760 of like it took you know, so long to get made? 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:47.800 And I guess everyone I don't want to beat up 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:52.240 on it, like seems like I don't know, I'm just annoyed. 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:53.760 I did that when I saw this movie in February. 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:56.200 I didn't expect to be engaging with it eleven months 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:58.400 later in the awards season. I guess That's where I'm at. 0:09:58.480 --> 0:10:00.719 So it's happy for the Globe's nomination because I was 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:03.800 happy they put a comedy in the comedy category, and 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:06.600 you know, and Ryan Reynolds is great. Um, but yeah, 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:09.760 the p g A is like, Okay, well there we are. 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:13.360 I think that No. I think the nine that we're 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:15.679 not Deadpool. I think those are the movies that are 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:18.160 contending for Best Picture we might get. You know, there's 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:20.800 passion votes out there for movies like Nocturnal Animals, which 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:23.880 was a bath to nominee. Actually nine nominations did really well. 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:27.040 Passion votes are out there for Silence and for loving 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:29.920 that's possible you need three hundred people. But if Fox 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:31.840 wanted to, they could block vote that ship and just 0:10:31.880 --> 0:10:34.800 get like everybody vote for Deadpool and it could happen. 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:37.760 It could get anything could happen. Takes like three people 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:43.080 witness Aaron Taylor Johnson and so what else this week? Uh? 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:44.400 You know what I was thinking about on the way 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:46.760 over here. This is random. Um, I was listening to 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:50.559 a Prince c D. I would like them to perform 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:53.360 Purple Rain on the show and not as part of 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:55.480 the mmmorium. I just think it would be an awesome moment, 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:58.560 just unto itself. Why on the Oscars though, well it 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:00.760 wasn't Oscar any time past way and he in as 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:02.720 an Oscar winning song, and yeah, I just think that 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:04.720 would be an awesome moment. Depending on who you got 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:06.480 to do it. Maybe you could get like a collective 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:10.200 of people like we are the world doing Purple Rain. 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:12.480 Maybe it just in Tnimberlake. He would crush it. I 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:14.400 think Grammy's are coming up to why not do it? 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:16.440 They're we'll do it. They're fine. But I just think 0:11:16.480 --> 0:11:18.760 as a as a little moment on the Oscars, I 0:11:18.800 --> 0:11:20.440 was thinking, like, what can they do to this show 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:22.880 to spice it up? Because it's it's not an interesting 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:25.200 year for movies in my opinion, and like, what are 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:27.640 they going to do on the show to really liven up? 0:11:28.160 --> 0:11:30.720 I am excited about Jimmy Kimmel hosting um as I 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:32.800 said I was. I was backstage, so I couldn't read 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:35.240 the temperature of the room. Uh. How did Jimmy Fallon 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:37.640 do as Globes host? I mean that's the other thing there. 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:39.680 Opening number, it was just a Lala Land number, Like 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:42.079 that's all I could do was get everybody when involved 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:43.760 in TV and other movies, and let's do a Lala 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:45.599 Land number. Like you know. It was. It was a 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:47.360 neat little thing and it kind of set the tone 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:50.280 like obviously La La Land is a favorite tonight. But 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:53.560 I thought Fallon was as safe as you expected him 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:55.840 to be, Like even his one trump joke was like 0:11:55.920 --> 0:11:57.319 he got he got in and out of it really 0:11:57.400 --> 0:12:01.880 fast too, Like I was like, what I Jimmy Jimmy 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:04.480 Kimmel though, you know, we'll see he's obviously a little 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:10.720 more biting. Yeah, yeah, I know, he's a great host. 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:13.680 I'm I'm really looking forward to it. And when this runs, 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:15.760 by the way, or when this airs, d g A 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:19.600 will have already Oh really do the announce tomorrow Thursday morning. 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:21.880 Oh well, let's come back on Thursday morning, and you 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:25.600 got any predictions. I'm thinking Deneva Leneuv will get in there. 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:28.840 I think you're probably right. I mean, okay, So Barry Jenkins, 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:30.240 by the way, I did a Q and A with 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:33.480 Barry Jenkins last night. Maybe this is common knowledge. Um 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:36.280 Janelle Monet, you know, she kind of came to his 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:39.560 attention because she auditioned for Star Trek. About that, So 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:42.520 did she audition for a horror? I'm not sure that 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:45.559 was what I assumed, which might be wrong of me, 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:47.760 but maybe it's for one of the Star Trek sequels 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:49.840 because it sounded like it was not that long ago. 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:52.800 And that's how she sort of got on Barry's radar. 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:54.760 Someone recommended to her, and you know, and she has 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:57.640 a trained actress something else I didn't realize. She attended, 0:12:57.800 --> 0:13:00.319 you know, dramatic Academy. Like it makes you feel a 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:02.600 little bit better about the fact she's so damn good 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:04.720 in these two movies, and you feel like she just 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:07.120 came out of nowhere to be an amazing actress. She's 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:09.240 she's awesome, Like she's gonna be a star. I think 0:13:09.280 --> 0:13:13.800 in this realm just listening to her talk and her 0:13:13.800 --> 0:13:18.199 mouth is amazing. Yeah, harries In, I think Denise In 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:21.320 actually if someone falls out, I love him, But I 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:24.800 feel like Kenny Lonergan could fall out just because he's safe. 0:13:24.840 --> 0:13:30.160 He's the Tom McCarthy, you know. Quietly, I think he's 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:33.920 considered more for his writing skills than as a director, 0:13:33.960 --> 0:13:37.760 but I certainly think he deserves to be in there. Obviously, 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:42.960 Damian's in there. So who's your fifth who is my Oh? 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:45.880 Mel Gibson, Oh yeah, Mel Gibson. Okay, um. Do you 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:48.720 think Ted Melphye has a chance for Heading Figures? Maybe 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:53.440 such a broad group is a big group. So these 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:57.040 movies like Hidden Figures that everyone loves and wants to 0:13:57.080 --> 0:13:59.080 be the Best Picture nominee can land that kind of 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:02.040 a nomination some Tom Surprisingly, I'm thinking of when Morton 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:06.600 Tildom for Orimentation Games kept getting, you know, nominations. People 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:08.320 didn't know who he was, but they loved that movie 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:10.559 so much, And people actually do know who Ted Melfi is. 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:13.040 There's always somebody who doesn't get the Oscar nomination who 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:16.839 gets d G because the Oscars it's like third fifty 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:19.360 members of the director's branch, which is why I think 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:21.840 Martin Scorsese is still alive there. I think so too. 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:24.560 Oh you wait, do you know think Scorsese gets the 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:27.440 d g A. No, wow, I don't think they saw it. 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:29.840 I kind of think it doesn't matter if they saw. 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:31.840 I don't know. And then there's that this is a 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:34.880 very specific movie. That's why it works more for a 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:37.600 smaller branch, like the director's branch of the Academy. You know, 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:41.600 the Oscars always recognized someone who generally doesn't get recognized 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:44.560 along the way, like Lenny Abramson for Room. I feel 0:14:44.560 --> 0:14:47.720 like um Bennett Miller the you'r a Fox Catcher didn't 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:50.720 have a lot of momentum going into because you know, 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:54.080 directors really sort of picked on the outskirts. So you know, 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:57.160 I've got my Maybe that's Denny this year, or maybe 0:14:57.160 --> 0:15:00.120 it's Matt Ross for Captain Fantastic. So let me be 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:02.080 clear that it does not get d g A but 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:06.880 gets an OSCAR nomination. Yes, okay, Matt Ross. Mmm, I 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:10.600 don't think so. I'm saying I know you love and 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:14.480 I love the movie, but I would be very surprised 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:16.840 by that. Yeah, the knee would make more sense in 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:19.320 general for like the smaller group to go for him. 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:21.480 But then I think about Arrival and how it will 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:23.720 appeal to all the younger members of these guilds. And 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:25.440 that's why I think it's going to continue to do 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:28.720 really well in the guilds. And I'm still like, I 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:31.320 don't know about it for the Best Picture nomination. I 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:35.040 don't know about it for Amy. Frankly, I think Amy's 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:38.560 pretty secure. But because we're pushing out, you're pushing out 0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:40.880 a net that makes the most sense at this point. 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:42.960 But as soon as you say, oh, this this is 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:45.680 the five that makes sense, something happens, of course, And 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:48.520 this has been, you know, a more unpredictable year than most. 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:51.320 I think we had a Twitter question actually asking about 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:55.720 how the bodies have changed, you know with these new members. Yeah, 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:59.800 well that's the unknowable. Yeah, there's like six members I 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:02.480 used to, you know, really have a good predictor for 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:04.800 the SAG Awards, And in the last couple of years 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:08.880 since SAG and after merged, I I don't know what's 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:12.520 gonna happen. Yeah, I mean, you have six hundred new members, 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:15.000 most of them are international. How how are their tastes 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:17.560 going to affect these various branches. I think Steve Pond 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:21.800 did like a little breakdown of how many new members 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:24.680 are in each branch, and that's where it starts to, 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:26.560 you know, within the branches is where it starts to 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:29.440 kind of trickle down. I'm not fine. I'm finding a 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:33.640 lot of Portuguese reactions to Deadpools PGA nominations in my 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:38.880 Twitter feed. Stop angering the Portuguese. I'm trying to find 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:41.680 all these questions. Let me see it. I'm sorry, guys, 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:44.680 I should have had them ready to go this one. 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:47.200 This Michael wants to know. Do you think Silence Scorsese 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:50.040 get a Tree of Life, get in a lah Tree 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:53.840 of Life, miss almost everywhere, but get in at the end. Yeah, 0:16:53.840 --> 0:16:55.600 I mean yeah, it's possible. I mean again, it's a 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:59.960 passion movie. I think they're worried about it though. Honestly, 0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:03.720 what's gonna happen with the best Actress? All of these 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:07.720 questions we've covered, than could Colossus ride the wave into 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:10.480 a Best Supporting Actor nomination for did Well? Yeah? Definitely 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:14.719 make it happen. Oh. It was Rodrigo day Oliviera who 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:16.520 asked the question, what kind of impact will the new 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:19.400 international members of the Academy have in which films would 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:23.399 benefit from it. Well, that's actually where Arrival, Yeah, grabs 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:30.080 some some steam because denis well loved internationally. And you know, 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:33.480 I think I've just been wrong on predictions this year. 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:35.960 It is just where I face planet with the globes, 0:17:37.040 --> 0:17:39.080 uh Sam coffee. I just love the way this is 0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:41.720 worded after a shocking globe win and a bath to nod, 0:17:41.920 --> 0:17:46.560 Is Aaron Taylor Johnson thing really happening? Is there room 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:48.680 as we said earlier? Yeah, I think it is the 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:51.879 Aeron Taylor Johnson thing. It is a thing. This is 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:54.560 a funny question. Why do they love that shitty movie? 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:58.719 I just don't understand Deadpool. Yeah, I wouldn't say it's 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:00.480 a shitty movie. Come on it it's a on movie. 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:02.480 Yeah again, I just didn't expect to be talking about 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:04.840 it a year later, But here we are. That's the 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:08.560 season Casey affle like this week, Oh fantastic golden Globe. 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:11.359 Golden Globe got played off the stage by those assholes. 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:15.479 A nice little shout out to Denzel from the stage. 0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:17.879 I've been thinking Denzel was gonna win the Oscar, but 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:20.560 it does seem to be lining up for Casey. Honestly, 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:25.840 so I spoke to Casey this weekend and I don't 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:28.200 know why. This just charms me. You know, he's the 0:18:28.240 --> 0:18:29.879 biggest fan of Lord of the Rings in the Hobbit. 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:33.720 Really Yeah, I don't know why that. I wouldn't have 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:37.680 expected that. Yeah, like a passionate, passionate fan. Well. Interesting. 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:40.080 We didn't talk about Lord of the Rings, but we 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:41.840 talked about Manchester by the Sea and a couple of 0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:44.760 other things. So I guess stick around for that. Casey 0:18:44.800 --> 0:19:09.480 aff like after this, if you could take one guy 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:11.199 to an island with you, and you knew you'd be 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:13.400 safe because he was the best man. He was gonna 0:19:13.440 --> 0:19:15.920 keep you happy. It was between me and your father, 0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:19.000 who would you take. I didn't think you're wrong about that. 0:19:21.720 --> 0:19:30.800 Let's sleep what happens to my brother? So that's the 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:35.199 Nichan though. Understand which party you have him trouble? Well, 0:19:35.240 --> 0:19:37.760 I can't be his guardian. Well, your brother provided for 0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:40.560 your nephew's upkeep. I think the idea is that you 0:19:40.560 --> 0:19:44.880 would relocate, relocate if you look. It was my impression 0:19:44.960 --> 0:19:47.720 that you'd spent a lot of time here. I yeah, 0:19:49.760 --> 0:19:53.679 I'm just a backup. Nobody can appreciate what you've been 0:19:53.720 --> 0:19:56.600 through and if you really feel you can't take this on, 0:19:57.280 --> 0:20:00.840 you know that's your right. When are we going to 0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:04.040 the offenite? Shut up, Cannab Your d doesn't tell you 0:20:04.119 --> 0:20:06.719 unlocked the door? What didn't you decide? You can always 0:20:06.920 --> 0:20:08.560 stay with us if he wants to come up weekends. 0:20:08.800 --> 0:20:11.840 Do you want to be his guardian? Well, he doesn't 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:17.080 want to be my guardian. Try at this point, Hello, 0:20:17.640 --> 0:20:20.160 helloly and I just want to con say I'm sorry. 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:22.879 How's Patrick too? He doesn't really open up with me. 0:20:23.520 --> 0:20:26.600 Do you actually have sex with these girls? Strictly basement 0:20:26.720 --> 0:20:33.320 business means I'm working on it. You don't want to 0:20:33.359 --> 0:20:35.400 be my Gudea. That's fine with me, hot that it's 0:20:35.440 --> 0:20:38.000 just just's all my friends here. I got two girl 0:20:38.080 --> 0:20:40.720 friends and I'm in a band. You're a Janita and Quincy. 0:20:40.960 --> 0:20:44.280 What the hell do you care where you live? Welcome 0:20:44.320 --> 0:20:46.679 back everyone, I'm here with the Star of Manchester by 0:20:46.720 --> 0:20:49.959 the see Casey affleck Casey Man, thanks for coming by, 0:20:50.040 --> 0:20:53.800 appreciate it my pleasure. Casey. Recently, uh, he was just 0:20:53.880 --> 0:20:58.200 admiring our cover of Variety. We've got a copy here. 0:20:58.600 --> 0:21:00.680 You know you're gonna look back at this year and 0:21:00.720 --> 0:21:04.400 you're gonna see just like a ton of burly Man photos, 0:21:04.680 --> 0:21:08.400 but like premieres, it's gonna be You're like Jeremiah Johnson year. 0:21:08.440 --> 0:21:10.760 I think, Oh, is that a good thing? It's a 0:21:10.800 --> 0:21:13.080 good thing. It's just funny to capture a moment in history. 0:21:13.119 --> 0:21:14.960 What what what are you rock in the main for? Again? 0:21:15.000 --> 0:21:18.359 I forgot I'm about to do a movie playing a 0:21:18.440 --> 0:21:23.080 part of a guy who's been doesn't shave that often, 0:21:23.240 --> 0:21:28.320 so amongst other things, well, you're pulling it off. We 0:21:28.400 --> 0:21:30.119 were talking about Lewis and Clark too. I thought I 0:21:30.200 --> 0:21:32.440 thought that that mini series that you worked on was 0:21:32.720 --> 0:21:36.240 was what this was about. But working with John Karen 0:21:36.359 --> 0:21:39.000 on that, Uh, what do you think of him? I 0:21:39.160 --> 0:21:41.679 was actually a fan of The Painted Veil like ten 0:21:41.800 --> 0:21:44.040 years ago. I really liked the version of that. But 0:21:44.119 --> 0:21:46.040 how do you like working with him so far? You know, 0:21:46.760 --> 0:21:49.399 I don't think that the experience that I had is 0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:52.399 a fair representation of kind of who he is as 0:21:52.440 --> 0:21:58.040 a director. We were trying to shoot six episodes of 0:21:58.680 --> 0:22:02.440 you know, our long tv um telling a story that 0:22:02.680 --> 0:22:07.200 was spanned six or so years. Uh, that took place 0:22:07.320 --> 0:22:11.800 mostly in the wild and and with every day hundreds 0:22:11.880 --> 0:22:18.160 of extras and uh on horses without saddles and hundreds 0:22:18.200 --> 0:22:22.399 of uh you know, like natives and hundreds of and 0:22:22.520 --> 0:22:26.520 with dozens of boats or um made out of uh 0:22:27.080 --> 0:22:30.399 very very hard to move up rivers and uh and 0:22:31.119 --> 0:22:34.320 we were just trekking through the wilderness, and um, it 0:22:34.480 --> 0:22:37.000 was impossible. It was an impossible production. That the scripts 0:22:37.000 --> 0:22:41.960 were a little bit I think, um, it was probably 0:22:42.000 --> 0:22:44.480 too ambitious. And then we ran into a bunch of 0:22:44.560 --> 0:22:47.480 problems just that you will run into when you're trying 0:22:47.480 --> 0:22:49.879 to shoot in the wild. Thunderstorms and shut the production 0:22:49.960 --> 0:22:53.920 every hours and um, the horses getting spooked and scattering 0:22:54.040 --> 0:22:55.840 and you can't get them back until aft to lunch, 0:22:55.920 --> 0:23:00.680 and just a million things went wrong. Um. But that 0:23:00.880 --> 0:23:04.800 that story is is a story that I think, you know, 0:23:04.880 --> 0:23:06.640 I got to know really well because I had done 0:23:06.720 --> 0:23:09.719 so much research on Marieth Lewis and the and the expedition, 0:23:09.960 --> 0:23:13.760 and it's just incredible. Most people only know the kind 0:23:13.800 --> 0:23:17.840 of sixth grade you know, version of it, which you 0:23:17.880 --> 0:23:19.920 can tell in about twenty seconds, and they don't know 0:23:20.000 --> 0:23:22.800 any of the details. Uh. And and they're great. And 0:23:22.880 --> 0:23:27.600 he was an amazing character, very very complicated, brilliant guy. 0:23:27.920 --> 0:23:31.879 Um so Um, I don't think it will ever resume, 0:23:32.080 --> 0:23:34.399 but um, shame, it is a shame. I'd like to 0:23:34.440 --> 0:23:36.080 do it. Sometimes seems like a book could be written 0:23:36.119 --> 0:23:38.160 about the experience of that. It's like a it sounds 0:23:38.160 --> 0:23:41.480 like a hurt Zog production or something. And fitz CAROLDA, 0:23:42.320 --> 0:23:45.000 you are we're talking about Hurtzog and tell your right. 0:23:45.280 --> 0:23:47.520 That reminds me you've got a great hurt Zog impression. 0:23:47.560 --> 0:23:51.480 Both you and Kenny have great Herzog and bron Um. 0:23:52.359 --> 0:23:54.200 He's such a hero up there. I didn't know that. 0:23:54.400 --> 0:23:55.920 I that was my first time. I'd tell you at 0:23:55.920 --> 0:23:58.760 film festival, and first of all, that was a great 0:23:58.840 --> 0:24:03.480 film festival. Um uh. And they have a whole theater 0:24:03.640 --> 0:24:06.159 named after him. He's been going there for years and years. Uh. 0:24:06.400 --> 0:24:08.800 Celebrates his birthday up there every year because his birthday 0:24:08.880 --> 0:24:11.680 is like that week, is right, Yeah, it's Exceptember sixth 0:24:11.800 --> 0:24:13.960 or something like. Yeah. I tried to tell him a 0:24:14.080 --> 0:24:16.760 story my only I ran into him in a restaurant 0:24:16.800 --> 0:24:19.399 and I and I thought he would appreciate the story 0:24:19.480 --> 0:24:20.920 that I had to share with him, which was about 0:24:20.960 --> 0:24:24.879 the one time I had met him. Um. And he 0:24:25.040 --> 0:24:30.560 denied that the whole thing happened, which it's so bizarre. 0:24:30.640 --> 0:24:32.040 I don't even know what to think of it. I 0:24:32.200 --> 0:24:36.200 know that it happened. I was there, Um, I remember it, 0:24:36.480 --> 0:24:40.360 and it's not not like an unflattering story for him. 0:24:40.680 --> 0:24:42.920 I don't know why he would deny it, but he 0:24:43.080 --> 0:24:46.399 denied it, and it's given me now this idea that like, 0:24:46.520 --> 0:24:48.440 if people tell me stories about myself, I'm just gonna 0:24:48.800 --> 0:24:52.680 deny them, you know, like for no reason, Like you know, 0:24:52.680 --> 0:24:54.639 I met you here, I'll say no, that never happened, 0:24:55.119 --> 0:24:57.159 just to see like what their reaction was, because my 0:24:57.280 --> 0:25:01.920 reaction I was stumpfounded and I thought it reacted Okay, Well, 0:25:02.119 --> 0:25:06.840 I guess nice to meet you. Then we'll speaking of 0:25:06.920 --> 0:25:09.480 the cover here, a variety and and just covers and 0:25:10.200 --> 0:25:12.680 a lot of attention this year for this role. And 0:25:12.800 --> 0:25:16.159 you've been on the circuits more or less since uh, 0:25:16.480 --> 0:25:17.879 Sun Dance. When you when you have a movie that 0:25:17.920 --> 0:25:21.040 premieres at Sundance and then it's scheduled to release in 0:25:21.080 --> 0:25:23.680 the fall, I mean that's always a long haul for anybody, 0:25:24.160 --> 0:25:27.320 but you've always struck me as somebody not comfortable with 0:25:28.440 --> 0:25:31.040 a lot of attention like that. So how's this year 0:25:31.080 --> 0:25:34.879 for you? So far, Well, it's been okay, it's been 0:25:34.920 --> 0:25:37.000 all right. I guess we have a movie that that UM, 0:25:37.359 --> 0:25:40.040 it's trying to you know, youre trying to sell. You're 0:25:40.040 --> 0:25:42.359 hoping to sell and show it at Sundance. Sometimes it 0:25:42.400 --> 0:25:44.280 means that either you don't sell it, or then you 0:25:44.359 --> 0:25:46.000 sell it and comes out right away and then the 0:25:46.040 --> 0:25:49.680 whole thing's over with. UM. In this case, they sold 0:25:49.760 --> 0:25:53.399 it to Amazon and then Amazon wanted to, uh, you know, 0:25:53.520 --> 0:25:55.080 release it in November at the end of the year 0:25:55.160 --> 0:25:56.479 or so. It just meant that there was a big 0:25:56.560 --> 0:25:59.440 long stretch there and um. And so for a while 0:25:59.560 --> 0:26:01.119 we didn't to do anything. They were just kind of 0:26:01.160 --> 0:26:02.840 sitting on the movie. Now it's about to come out, 0:26:02.920 --> 0:26:06.120 so taking into a bunch of film festivals, um, which 0:26:06.160 --> 0:26:09.159 has been nice. It's I like going to film festivals. Uh. 0:26:09.760 --> 0:26:13.359 I don't always like doing a lot of the other publicity. 0:26:13.560 --> 0:26:15.560 That's part of the job. I do it, but uh, 0:26:15.880 --> 0:26:18.960 it's true. It doesn't make me uncomfortable. And UM, and 0:26:19.080 --> 0:26:22.080 I wonder about sort of what the whole you know, 0:26:23.280 --> 0:26:26.800 a whole I'm digging for myself. UM, but I think 0:26:26.880 --> 0:26:29.600 that uh, in this case, it's a it's a it's 0:26:29.600 --> 0:26:31.359 a movie that people responded to, and I wanted to 0:26:31.400 --> 0:26:33.720 support Kenny, and I like hanging around with all the 0:26:33.760 --> 0:26:35.800 people on the movie. So it's been fun. We've done 0:26:36.680 --> 0:26:41.960 five film festivals. I came back yesterday from Morelia, Mexico, 0:26:42.160 --> 0:26:45.240 where they have the film festival down there that is 0:26:45.560 --> 0:26:51.080 that was really an incredible experience. Um. It's their fourteenth year. 0:26:51.200 --> 0:26:54.639 It's in Mishawak Khan and in a state that is 0:26:54.760 --> 0:26:58.440 having a a real hard time with crime and cartels 0:26:58.520 --> 0:27:01.600 and and uh e beet. They are trying to keep 0:27:01.680 --> 0:27:04.679 this festival going and um. You know, as you would imagine, 0:27:04.680 --> 0:27:06.600 they have a hard time getting people down there bring 0:27:06.680 --> 0:27:09.760 their movies and support it. Um. And they don't have 0:27:09.840 --> 0:27:13.560 a lot of movie goers in the area, so you know, 0:27:13.680 --> 0:27:17.440 we went to the screening and it wasn't It was 0:27:17.520 --> 0:27:20.080 a very strange crowd. It was like families and little 0:27:20.160 --> 0:27:24.800 kids wandering around in the theater and um, babies and 0:27:25.000 --> 0:27:28.160 people who I think would never ever go see this movie. Um, 0:27:28.880 --> 0:27:32.760 yet someone had persuaded them or paid them to come 0:27:32.800 --> 0:27:35.960 and sit in the theater and watch UM. And that 0:27:36.200 --> 0:27:39.920 the area itself was like, uh, you know, no tourists, 0:27:40.040 --> 0:27:44.959 they're um, really old colonial village kind of and um 0:27:45.720 --> 0:27:48.960 it was back to the sixteenth century. And uh, they 0:27:49.040 --> 0:27:51.119 had a screen set up in the plaza. Before the 0:27:51.160 --> 0:27:53.120 screening was kind of wandering around the city a little 0:27:53.119 --> 0:27:56.080 bit and there was this like really it was Saturday afternoon. 0:27:56.119 --> 0:27:59.560 It was a really lively little plaza and uh in 0:27:59.640 --> 0:28:02.400 the kind of old part of Old town, right around 0:28:02.440 --> 0:28:05.960 this cathedral from you know, fifteen sixty or something, and 0:28:06.680 --> 0:28:09.879 they had this outdoor screen set up. Uh. And it 0:28:09.960 --> 0:28:12.960 made me think of like Cinema Paradiso or some like 0:28:13.080 --> 0:28:16.080 the days when people would travel around like showing movies 0:28:16.119 --> 0:28:18.040 that people who have never seen a movie. Obviously, these 0:28:18.080 --> 0:28:20.440 people have seen a movie. On the outskirts of town. 0:28:20.480 --> 0:28:23.240 There's even a kind of multiplex. But I think most 0:28:23.240 --> 0:28:26.200 people I don't see that many movies. They very probably 0:28:26.280 --> 0:28:28.560 never seen movies like Manchester by the Sea, kind of 0:28:28.600 --> 0:28:33.520 smaller American independent movies. Um. And no one was really 0:28:33.560 --> 0:28:37.440 paying too much attention to this like giant white uh 0:28:38.640 --> 0:28:41.440 rectangle on the plaza. You know. Then they were going 0:28:41.480 --> 0:28:45.400 to project the movie on and it was really it was. 0:28:45.560 --> 0:28:46.800 It was kind of great. It was one of the 0:28:46.840 --> 0:28:51.480 best experiences because it wasn't you know, I don't know, 0:28:51.720 --> 0:28:55.120 people looking for autographs or or people who had sort 0:28:55.160 --> 0:28:59.120 of jaded film types and you know, bounce around fifteen 0:28:59.160 --> 0:29:02.840 film festivals they year or um, I'm just looking for 0:29:02.960 --> 0:29:07.080 their their picture, and it was it was there's people who, 0:29:08.160 --> 0:29:11.040 you know, we're asking questions like I did a little 0:29:11.080 --> 0:29:13.320 bit of press there and they wanted to know things like, 0:29:13.440 --> 0:29:16.200 you know, why do you make what is it like 0:29:16.360 --> 0:29:18.120 to make a movie? Or what is ADVI? Is it 0:29:18.200 --> 0:29:21.920 fun to make a movie? Really kind of general questions 0:29:21.960 --> 0:29:24.880 that you don't hear that often, and you probably don't 0:29:24.880 --> 0:29:26.800 think about the answers to those kinds of questions very 0:29:26.840 --> 0:29:29.640 often either. Yeah, it made me. It made me so simple, 0:29:29.680 --> 0:29:32.680 it makes you think about it. That's interesting. Are you 0:29:32.760 --> 0:29:35.600 finding that the movie is connecting in these various different locales. 0:29:36.360 --> 0:29:39.800 I'm not sure how it connected yesterday and realiot uh 0:29:40.000 --> 0:29:42.600 if my opening remarks or any indication it might not 0:29:42.680 --> 0:29:46.239 have gone over that well. I tried to speak in Spanish, uh, 0:29:46.840 --> 0:29:49.920 and then I tried to uh, and then I tried 0:29:49.960 --> 0:29:52.440 to speak through the translator, and UM, I don't think 0:29:52.480 --> 0:29:56.920 that the humor was landing. But uh, in other film 0:29:57.000 --> 0:30:02.200 festivals that's gone great, and it's played really well. I 0:30:02.280 --> 0:30:06.160 haven't seen it in any foreign Uh. I haven't seen 0:30:06.160 --> 0:30:09.040 it anywhere where people don't speak English. I haven't seen 0:30:09.080 --> 0:30:15.160 it subtitles or anything. Um, true, yeah, yes, but people 0:30:15.200 --> 0:30:16.960 seem to respond to you know, Kenny is such a 0:30:17.040 --> 0:30:20.160 good writer and at least such a humanist. I think 0:30:20.200 --> 0:30:23.120 that kind of stuffed often translates. You know, there's there's 0:30:23.160 --> 0:30:25.640 something very Americana in some ways about this movie, but 0:30:26.960 --> 0:30:29.560 his work translates, I think because he's such a humanist writer. 0:30:30.840 --> 0:30:33.480 You guys, I loved spending some time with both of 0:30:33.520 --> 0:30:35.960 you until you right, because get these two together and 0:30:36.040 --> 0:30:38.600 like there's a lot of dry humor flying around, and 0:30:38.680 --> 0:30:42.000 you guys just have a great rapport. Uh. Your relationship 0:30:42.080 --> 0:30:45.400 goes back to uh the production of This Is Our Youth? Right? 0:30:45.520 --> 0:30:49.880 When was that two thousand two? Uh at the Garrick 0:30:50.000 --> 0:30:52.560 Theater and the West End of London? Did This Is 0:30:52.600 --> 0:30:55.840 Our Youth? I didn't know Kenny then. I only knew 0:30:55.920 --> 0:30:58.280 him as the writer, as a guy who I wanted to, 0:30:58.440 --> 0:30:59.760 you know, I try to want to do some of 0:30:59.840 --> 0:31:02.880 his plays. Uh, And he never hired me, and then 0:31:03.080 --> 0:31:06.959 um he didn't for that production, and then we became 0:31:07.840 --> 0:31:10.080 really good friends. And then over the years we got closer. 0:31:10.160 --> 0:31:13.640 I did a a little one act of his before 0:31:13.680 --> 0:31:16.800 it became a full play. It was called him Medieval Play. Um. 0:31:17.400 --> 0:31:19.440 That was one of the funniest things I've ever read. 0:31:19.720 --> 0:31:22.960 For sure. It was only about twenty months long. Um, 0:31:24.040 --> 0:31:26.040 and I did it a few times. Wed only did 0:31:26.040 --> 0:31:29.720 about five performances, and one of which I couldn't get 0:31:29.760 --> 0:31:32.600 through on stage because I was I was laughing. I 0:31:32.760 --> 0:31:35.120 was laughing maybe more than the audience was laughing at 0:31:35.160 --> 0:31:38.000 some points. Um. I just think he I love his 0:31:38.080 --> 0:31:42.240 sense of humor and um, and you and and you 0:31:42.320 --> 0:31:45.400 can count on me and in Margaret, Um, they're both 0:31:45.560 --> 0:31:48.720 such emotional movies. Uh, you know, and I can't watch 0:31:48.800 --> 0:31:53.960 them without being being really moved and um uh I 0:31:54.000 --> 0:31:57.480 remember reading them and crying. And but there's also like, 0:31:57.760 --> 0:32:01.520 he's always really funny. You're both about like tragedies and 0:32:01.560 --> 0:32:04.560 people dealing with a lot of pain. Um, but they're 0:32:04.600 --> 0:32:08.040 always really really funny. Yeah. You make a good point 0:32:08.120 --> 0:32:11.040 there about the humor we talked and tell you're right 0:32:11.080 --> 0:32:15.120 about just kind of the general uh sense of melancholy 0:32:15.240 --> 0:32:16.520 in this movie. But I don't want to put too 0:32:16.600 --> 0:32:18.280 much on that because You're right. He does have a 0:32:18.320 --> 0:32:20.000 great sense of humor, and there's a there's a sense 0:32:20.000 --> 0:32:24.040 of humor in Manchester. Certainly it's cool. But uh, this 0:32:25.120 --> 0:32:26.760 and we talked about this, and I just like the 0:32:26.800 --> 0:32:29.920 listeners to hear about it more. The the being in 0:32:30.000 --> 0:32:33.160 that headspace as an actor, because there's so much tragedy 0:32:33.240 --> 0:32:36.040 in the film. There's a lot of just again melancholy. 0:32:36.600 --> 0:32:40.880 Is that difficult to maintain that headspace for an extended 0:32:40.880 --> 0:32:44.160 period of time when you working on this movie? You know, 0:32:44.280 --> 0:32:46.600 Actually it's harder to to go in and out of it. 0:32:46.880 --> 0:32:49.560 I think that probably Michelle had a tougher job because 0:32:49.640 --> 0:32:51.640 she had to sort of come in. She'd work a 0:32:51.760 --> 0:32:54.640 day and go home for a week. Um, she didn't 0:32:54.680 --> 0:32:56.720 have you know, have she had a couple of pretty 0:32:56.720 --> 0:33:00.040 heavy scenes. Um. I think it's it's hard to a 0:33:01.440 --> 0:33:05.080 uh turn it on and off like that. Um. I had, 0:33:05.640 --> 0:33:08.200 you know, every day, I had some scene that for me, 0:33:08.280 --> 0:33:10.760 he was really challenging. That was very emotional in some way. 0:33:10.880 --> 0:33:13.320 And I know that Kenny, you know, what makes his 0:33:13.440 --> 0:33:16.600 movies great is that you really believe that this is 0:33:16.720 --> 0:33:18.640 these are real people and this is all really happening. 0:33:18.680 --> 0:33:22.760 There's nothing no stylization to the writing or the direction 0:33:22.840 --> 0:33:25.120 that leaves puts the audience at a distance. You know, 0:33:25.200 --> 0:33:28.800 I think why they work so well is one of 0:33:28.880 --> 0:33:30.840 the reasons, as far as I can tell, is that 0:33:31.400 --> 0:33:34.800 people are drawn into caring about the characters and and 0:33:35.200 --> 0:33:37.720 um sucked into the story and in a way that 0:33:38.520 --> 0:33:40.840 uh sort of opens them up to feeling kind of 0:33:41.000 --> 0:33:44.720 emotional about them. UM. And so I had to play 0:33:44.800 --> 0:33:48.200 those scenes in a way that was naturalistic, is and 0:33:49.120 --> 0:33:52.520 while also sort of honoring the script that was very 0:33:52.720 --> 0:33:56.000 precisely written. He takes a long time to write a script, 0:33:56.080 --> 0:33:58.040 and he said he spent three years on this, and 0:33:58.480 --> 0:34:01.320 you know, he really wants every word on the page 0:34:01.480 --> 0:34:04.560 in the movie. UM. And when characters are speaking and 0:34:04.600 --> 0:34:07.080 they're overlapping one another, he wants them to overlap, just 0:34:07.240 --> 0:34:09.520 as it's written. So it's kind of you have have 0:34:09.640 --> 0:34:12.640 to be have two minds, one very kind of technical um. 0:34:14.080 --> 0:34:16.560 And there's no point arguing with him because he's right 0:34:16.800 --> 0:34:19.040 and it's it's beautiful writing. And then you have to 0:34:19.120 --> 0:34:22.960 also be sort of able to not think about that 0:34:23.080 --> 0:34:25.880 at all and be and just listening, responding to the 0:34:25.920 --> 0:34:29.400 other person and being um as emotionally truthful as you 0:34:29.440 --> 0:34:32.600 can be. And that's that was kind of my job 0:34:32.680 --> 0:34:34.520 and I and because I had to do some of 0:34:34.560 --> 0:34:37.640 these harder scenes I had to do really like every 0:34:37.680 --> 0:34:41.920 other day was some very very heavy scene in some 0:34:42.160 --> 0:34:45.040 in some ways I kind of just got into it 0:34:45.120 --> 0:34:48.160 and stayed in there, and you know, I I got 0:34:48.280 --> 0:34:52.360 used to it. Um. I sort of I didn't have 0:34:52.520 --> 0:34:56.080 the kind of that anticipatory that dread of like, oh, 0:34:56.160 --> 0:34:58.400 there's this hard scene coming in a week or in 0:34:58.480 --> 0:35:00.880 two weeks, and I'm sort it's always in the back 0:35:00.920 --> 0:35:02.680 of my mind. It was just the next day I 0:35:02.800 --> 0:35:05.239 had to go play some some tough scene, and so 0:35:05.360 --> 0:35:07.560 I got out of my head and just would sort 0:35:07.600 --> 0:35:09.920 of show up in the right emotional state and to 0:35:10.160 --> 0:35:12.680 what was on the page. The cold probably helps a 0:35:12.719 --> 0:35:18.160 little bit, right, The cold, Yeah, just kind of doured somber, 0:35:18.360 --> 0:35:21.719 you know, environment in some ways. You know, snow, I mean, 0:35:21.800 --> 0:35:24.200 it's not happy stuff that you're doing in that weather. 0:35:24.440 --> 0:35:27.799 You know, that's true. That's true. Although you know there's 0:35:27.960 --> 0:35:30.120 there was a few days in there where the characters 0:35:30.160 --> 0:35:32.120 are supposed to be freezing cold. It's kind of like 0:35:32.200 --> 0:35:35.040 what they're talking about in the scene. And of course 0:35:35.200 --> 0:35:37.400 you know, it's fifty five degrees or something. We're right 0:35:37.440 --> 0:35:40.560 at the end of the the winter. And so there 0:35:40.600 --> 0:35:42.719 are a lot of little things like that in this movie. Um, 0:35:43.120 --> 0:35:46.160 it was hard. It was not an easy Things didn't 0:35:46.160 --> 0:35:50.160 always go our way sort of logistically, I didn't have 0:35:50.280 --> 0:35:52.840 enough time. And you know, it was this the not 0:35:53.000 --> 0:35:55.600 that this is important or interesting at all, but there 0:35:55.680 --> 0:35:58.719 was the kind of snowiest winter that Massachusetts has had 0:35:58.760 --> 0:36:02.640 and ten thousand years, and it was it was he 0:36:02.719 --> 0:36:05.480 had over a hundred inches of snow and um, and 0:36:05.640 --> 0:36:09.800 the and the script was had incorporated uh, winter imagery 0:36:10.040 --> 0:36:12.640 into it sort of I thought, beautifully. You know, he 0:36:12.719 --> 0:36:15.200 wrote it in I don't know, over three years obviously, 0:36:15.239 --> 0:36:17.719 as I said, And so he wasn't writing it because 0:36:17.760 --> 0:36:19.279 he thought, Okay, I'm gonna get to shoot it in 0:36:19.320 --> 0:36:21.080 the winter. He was writing because he wanted it to 0:36:21.160 --> 0:36:24.399 be a winter story that then turns into spring. Um 0:36:24.760 --> 0:36:28.440 for whatever reason. And uh, he had in some of 0:36:28.520 --> 0:36:32.359 the action lines in the script were about describing sort 0:36:32.400 --> 0:36:35.480 of parts of the city as frozen, you know in 0:36:35.560 --> 0:36:38.040 certain ways, and and how they thought out and how 0:36:38.080 --> 0:36:40.719 it changes the setting and you know, like the bay 0:36:40.880 --> 0:36:43.319 with all the boats covered and frozen in and nice 0:36:43.480 --> 0:36:47.479 around them and um things like that, and uh really 0:36:47.640 --> 0:36:49.880 I thought I found kind of poignant. And then, um, 0:36:51.920 --> 0:36:54.240 we didn't get things together in time in this production, 0:36:54.320 --> 0:36:57.920 and so it was you know, March or April when 0:36:57.920 --> 0:37:00.480 we started shooting, and it was we we lost a 0:37:00.520 --> 0:37:02.400 lot of that. But I think that he still managed 0:37:02.480 --> 0:37:07.239 to make you feel like, you know, it was a 0:37:07.280 --> 0:37:12.359 winter and moved into spring movie magic, I guess, yeah, totally. Uh, 0:37:12.520 --> 0:37:16.120 let's talk about Lucas Hedges, your co star in this film. Newcomer. 0:37:16.239 --> 0:37:19.120 He's so good, He's say and he it's gotta be 0:37:19.239 --> 0:37:22.200 hard to just be a newcomer and just nail Kenny's 0:37:22.280 --> 0:37:26.520 kind of rhythm and and it's a very naturalistic rhythm. 0:37:26.560 --> 0:37:27.880 But that's kind of a hard thing to do when 0:37:27.960 --> 0:37:31.960 you're confronting the artifice of filmmaking as an actor. So 0:37:32.800 --> 0:37:35.680 what was it like working with this guy? And uh, yeah, 0:37:35.840 --> 0:37:40.640 just how did he striking? Um? I guess Lucas was 0:37:40.760 --> 0:37:44.480 seventeen when we started shooting, and you know, he was 0:37:45.320 --> 0:37:50.719 very focused, professional, mature seventeen year old, way more so 0:37:50.920 --> 0:37:54.480 than I was at seventeen or probably at thirty five. 0:37:55.480 --> 0:37:59.000 He's um he, I guess he grew up around movies. 0:37:59.080 --> 0:38:01.920 His dad was a director and grew up on sets 0:38:02.040 --> 0:38:06.239 and um. You know, his parents are really really very 0:38:06.400 --> 0:38:11.920 conscientious parents and people, and um, they were around a 0:38:11.960 --> 0:38:13.359 bit and I got to know them, and I could 0:38:13.400 --> 0:38:16.239 sort of see how he became the person that he is, 0:38:16.360 --> 0:38:21.719 because they're really beautiful people and so um. You know, 0:38:21.800 --> 0:38:24.080 I never thought, oh, I'm working with a minor. I 0:38:24.160 --> 0:38:27.640 sort of felt like I was working with uh just 0:38:27.840 --> 0:38:31.279 appear he's he was, he was on it. Um. And 0:38:31.400 --> 0:38:34.680 I think that it's a testament to Kenny. You know, 0:38:34.840 --> 0:38:36.640 how he how he cast his kid at the very 0:38:36.719 --> 0:38:41.120 last minute and and got sort of uh was able 0:38:41.160 --> 0:38:44.080 to guide him through a pretty tricky part. And uh. 0:38:44.280 --> 0:38:47.360 And as you point out, the writing isn't always easy. 0:38:47.480 --> 0:38:50.479 On the other hand, you know, reading scenes, the reading 0:38:50.560 --> 0:38:53.080 Kenny's writing, sometimes you can just open it and re 0:38:53.239 --> 0:38:56.680 cold and read it out loud and it sounds great 0:38:56.920 --> 0:39:00.440 and um. And I think that's because such a good 0:39:00.480 --> 0:39:03.440 ear for kind of how people talk, especially how young 0:39:03.480 --> 0:39:06.759 people talk. Um. Uh and this is our youth. You know, 0:39:06.840 --> 0:39:12.040 he really captures that, like how the repetitive nature of 0:39:12.120 --> 0:39:16.520 some of the conversations and kids sitting around and you know, uh, 0:39:17.080 --> 0:39:21.080 sort of seemingly not talking about anything but really sort 0:39:21.120 --> 0:39:26.400 of um um, sharing a lot more than they think 0:39:26.480 --> 0:39:28.520 that they're sharing. Uh. Where do you think he's able 0:39:28.560 --> 0:39:29.759 to pull that from me? Is he's just a king 0:39:29.840 --> 0:39:34.400 of observation and able to just translate that. I guess. So, 0:39:35.040 --> 0:39:40.080 yeahvation good writer, but also like I don't know, he's 0:39:40.120 --> 0:39:41.759 you know, he says that when he sits down to write, 0:39:41.800 --> 0:39:44.480 he is able to he just plays the parts in 0:39:44.560 --> 0:39:47.040 his head. And I think it's also probably would make 0:39:47.080 --> 0:39:50.440 him a good actor. He's been in um, all of 0:39:50.520 --> 0:39:52.759 his movies, perfect in this one. Yeah, he's good in 0:39:52.840 --> 0:39:56.560 this one. Um. I think he just he gets it. 0:39:56.640 --> 0:40:02.440 He's a huge fan of movies from like the twenties, thirties, forties. 0:40:03.440 --> 0:40:05.960 I think his interests kind of Peter Auder in the 0:40:06.160 --> 0:40:11.319 sixties and seventies. But um, so he loves he loves 0:40:11.400 --> 0:40:13.359 that stuff. You know. That's like you can see kind 0:40:13.440 --> 0:40:15.960 of his influence from some of that stuff and in 0:40:16.040 --> 0:40:18.840 his movies. I know it sounds the two sounds so 0:40:19.160 --> 0:40:23.200 like incongruous. That like the way that he captures, you know, 0:40:23.719 --> 0:40:26.399 a seventeen year old Domestchusetts and how he talks now 0:40:26.560 --> 0:40:32.800 with um some movie from nineteen thirty eight about gangsters, 0:40:32.920 --> 0:40:36.200 you know, but I can sometimes see it, you know, 0:40:36.360 --> 0:40:41.120 you know, Uh, he loves you know, Gary Cooper and 0:40:42.040 --> 0:40:44.600 there's It's funny the things that he that he likes. 0:40:44.760 --> 0:40:48.560 But he uh, he has a real um. He loves 0:40:48.640 --> 0:40:55.479 movies and he and uh he loves um. He likes 0:40:55.560 --> 0:40:58.560 to write people who are holding onto a lot um 0:40:59.120 --> 0:41:03.600 and uh, I'm not talking about it that much. He's 0:41:03.719 --> 0:41:05.640 or he likes to or not. He can talk about that, 0:41:05.719 --> 0:41:09.040 but he's really good at writing characters who are carrying 0:41:09.040 --> 0:41:12.719 a lot of pain. Yeah, I wanted to venture out 0:41:12.719 --> 0:41:14.400 a little bit. Next year is going to be the 0:41:14.480 --> 0:41:17.560 tenth anniversary of the assassination of Jesse James by the 0:41:17.600 --> 0:41:20.399 coward Robert Ford. I say this every year. I'm still 0:41:20.480 --> 0:41:23.239 waiting on somebody to make a better movie. I mean 0:41:23.360 --> 0:41:25.799 that it's the best film I've seen since it came out. 0:41:25.960 --> 0:41:28.000 I love the film. I'm a huge Westerns fan. But 0:41:28.120 --> 0:41:32.000 it's just such an iconic, uh piece of work. And 0:41:32.040 --> 0:41:35.000 it's weird because I don't love Andrew Dominic's films nearly 0:41:35.040 --> 0:41:37.320 as much as I love that one. But something about 0:41:37.360 --> 0:41:41.000 that one just is a landmark for me. And uh, 0:41:41.600 --> 0:41:43.239 what do you think when you look back ten years 0:41:43.520 --> 0:41:45.560 from that movie and and that was a big year 0:41:45.600 --> 0:41:47.839 in general for you because you had gone, Baby Gone 0:41:47.920 --> 0:41:51.160 as well. So but you know, looking back at Jesse James, 0:41:51.840 --> 0:41:55.280 that's how we first met, really was working on reviving 0:41:55.320 --> 0:41:57.840 the film and getting it in the repertory art health circuit. 0:41:58.000 --> 0:42:04.839 But talk about that, well, I think that you were, um, um, 0:42:05.719 --> 0:42:07.680 you picked up pretty early on that it was a 0:42:07.760 --> 0:42:10.680 good movie and it wasn't not everyone else sort of 0:42:10.719 --> 0:42:13.200 thought of it that way. It wasn't received, It wasn't 0:42:13.200 --> 0:42:17.200 received that well um at first, and nobody went to 0:42:17.280 --> 0:42:21.640 see it. So by that definition, uh, you know, I 0:42:21.680 --> 0:42:23.920 guess it was just kind of a failure. Uh. And 0:42:24.040 --> 0:42:27.560 then since then people have discovered it and more people 0:42:27.600 --> 0:42:29.800 have liked it, and critics have started to talk about it. 0:42:30.280 --> 0:42:32.239 But I think it maybe at first glance it was 0:42:32.520 --> 0:42:37.520 um true. Why it fell between the you know, fell 0:42:37.600 --> 0:42:39.880 through the cracks, I don't I don't really know. It 0:42:39.960 --> 0:42:42.439 didn't seem to have the best release pattern frankly coming 0:42:42.440 --> 0:42:45.239 out of venice Um. I don't know what they thought 0:42:45.280 --> 0:42:47.560 they were dealing with, But I always thought it was 0:42:47.560 --> 0:42:50.960 a unique way to put out that movie. I don't 0:42:51.000 --> 0:42:52.759 know what they thought what they were dealing with either. 0:42:52.880 --> 0:42:55.359 And I know that there are a lot of disagreements 0:42:55.360 --> 0:42:57.520 between Andrew and between the studio, and that it's sort 0:42:57.560 --> 0:42:59.800 of undercut any momentum that it had. It got a 0:43:00.440 --> 0:43:03.160 sort of got a bad there's some bad word of 0:43:03.200 --> 0:43:05.160 mouth on it just because of that. Because it took 0:43:05.239 --> 0:43:08.560 so long to come out. And I remember read a 0:43:08.600 --> 0:43:11.640 Hayworth and show Shank or the show Shank Redemption was 0:43:11.680 --> 0:43:14.000 just called, and I had loved the story and um 0:43:14.239 --> 0:43:15.880 so much. I was waiting for that movie to come out, 0:43:15.920 --> 0:43:18.040 and it was years and years, and then everyone said, 0:43:18.040 --> 0:43:20.959 oh it's a disaster, it's over three hours. It didn't 0:43:21.000 --> 0:43:24.239 work out, And and when it came out, um, it 0:43:24.400 --> 0:43:26.440 already had that kind of stink on it. And I 0:43:26.520 --> 0:43:30.160 think that Jesse James was the same way. Um. But 0:43:30.400 --> 0:43:33.080 you know, to Andrew's credit, he's really stuck by that movie. 0:43:33.200 --> 0:43:35.239 And when most of other people would have given up, 0:43:35.239 --> 0:43:37.880 because I thought, I don't want my my you know, 0:43:38.480 --> 0:43:42.120 this blemish on my on my career, my reputation, people 0:43:42.120 --> 0:43:43.640 are gonna think of me as a director. It doesn't 0:43:43.640 --> 0:43:45.200 get along with the studio, people are gonna think of 0:43:45.280 --> 0:43:47.840 me this way or that way, and you know, people compromise, 0:43:47.880 --> 0:43:52.600 and he did not compromise. Uh. He made the movie 0:43:52.640 --> 0:43:54.200 that he wanted to make. And he might say in 0:43:54.239 --> 0:43:56.920 the end that there are still some compromises he did 0:43:57.000 --> 0:43:58.480 have to make. You know, I saw a cut that 0:43:58.600 --> 0:44:01.360 was ten minutes longer, thing that was he considers to 0:44:01.400 --> 0:44:04.680 be his cut. Um um. But by and large, and 0:44:04.840 --> 0:44:07.800 he really stood by that movie when everyone else was 0:44:07.840 --> 0:44:13.520 sort of jumping ship and and so I think that 0:44:13.960 --> 0:44:17.600 people were ready to not like the movie. Also, I think, 0:44:17.840 --> 0:44:21.520 you know, from an audience perspective and maybe from the 0:44:21.560 --> 0:44:24.520 studio had perspective there, like why should we what? What 0:44:24.800 --> 0:44:27.600 is what kind of movie is it where Brad Pitt 0:44:27.680 --> 0:44:29.719 is your lead and he dies halfway through or something? 0:44:29.760 --> 0:44:33.080 You know, if that doesn't that's not the kind of 0:44:33.120 --> 0:44:36.560 movie we we thought we were making. Um. But that's 0:44:36.600 --> 0:44:39.200 what the book was, that's what the script was, and 0:44:39.360 --> 0:44:41.520 that was the movie that Andrew wanted to make. Um. 0:44:42.840 --> 0:44:45.200 It's definitely one of the best experiences that in my career. 0:44:45.400 --> 0:44:49.680 And uh, either's something about Andrew. He's really a pure 0:44:49.920 --> 0:44:53.520 director and meaning that you know, he didn't come out 0:44:53.560 --> 0:44:55.919 of doing something else, and you know, he just sort 0:44:55.960 --> 0:44:59.680 of stepped He made his first movie, and uh I 0:45:00.360 --> 0:45:04.120 it was great. I know that, Um and he you know, 0:45:04.200 --> 0:45:05.800 I don't know where he learned how to kind of 0:45:05.880 --> 0:45:08.960 direct actors that that way. Some directors they spend a 0:45:09.000 --> 0:45:11.560 long time in theater, or they even take acting classes, 0:45:11.719 --> 0:45:14.480 or they or they're no good at working with actors. Um, 0:45:14.800 --> 0:45:18.760 Andrew's great at work with actors. And he's also great visually. 0:45:18.880 --> 0:45:22.000 And he's also you know, amazing at sort of production 0:45:22.040 --> 0:45:25.080 design and its sound design, and he's a great writer. 0:45:25.200 --> 0:45:27.719 He's sort of all of those all of those things 0:45:27.760 --> 0:45:31.279 that are required to be the person who is uh 0:45:32.400 --> 0:45:34.839 in charge and making a movie, and that in that way, 0:45:35.000 --> 0:45:37.200 you know, he doesn't really make it by committee. It's 0:45:37.239 --> 0:45:41.040 it's a handmade film by Andrew dominic And and so 0:45:41.280 --> 0:45:44.120 at all at all feels of it's a whole piece. 0:45:44.440 --> 0:45:47.840 And uh, I wish you would make more movies. I 0:45:47.920 --> 0:45:49.839 kind of wish the same thing about Kenny. I wish 0:45:49.880 --> 0:45:52.240 that he would make I wish that our the film 0:45:52.320 --> 0:45:54.800 community would make it easier for guys like that to 0:45:54.960 --> 0:45:57.560 make more movies. Instead of saying we're not going to 0:45:57.600 --> 0:46:00.080 support him because his last movie made X number of 0:46:00.160 --> 0:46:04.239 dollars or um took so many years to be cut. 0:46:04.360 --> 0:46:06.759 You know, she should. Those are the people who keep 0:46:06.800 --> 0:46:11.640 this industry interesting and alive, and um, we should help 0:46:11.719 --> 0:46:16.479 them work more, even if it means just like being 0:46:16.520 --> 0:46:21.319 a little more uh supportive financially totally. And that note 0:46:21.360 --> 0:46:24.719 about just the movie having kind of an identity before 0:46:24.760 --> 0:46:27.000 anyone can even see it, it's so true. I mean 0:46:27.040 --> 0:46:30.839 it's like people can't just let the process work itself out, 0:46:31.080 --> 0:46:33.880 Like movies aren't just like made to order, Like sometimes 0:46:33.960 --> 0:46:35.360 it takes off for the director to get there in 0:46:35.360 --> 0:46:37.880 the editing room or whatever they're trying to do. And 0:46:38.200 --> 0:46:40.680 the obsession with the process and both the media and 0:46:41.040 --> 0:46:45.080 just kind of fandom is uh, it can be hurtful 0:46:45.160 --> 0:46:48.719 sometimes I was kind of cheer. Oh. There's also there's 0:46:48.760 --> 0:46:50.480 a line in that film that cracks me up to 0:46:50.560 --> 0:46:52.759 this day that you deliver I just want to do 0:46:52.840 --> 0:46:56.359 an impression over you real fast. Um. It's right after 0:46:56.480 --> 0:46:58.600 Sam Shepard finishes chewing you out and you go over 0:46:58.640 --> 0:47:00.040 to bread and you're like me and your brother, I 0:47:00.120 --> 0:47:03.839 just had a real nice visit. It kills me every 0:47:03.880 --> 0:47:06.000 time there's there's funny stuff like that in that movie. 0:47:06.000 --> 0:47:07.480 That's another reason I like it. It's kind of a 0:47:07.520 --> 0:47:11.160 complex movie in terms of tone sometimes. Uh. And also, 0:47:11.280 --> 0:47:13.840 you know, I forgot that you were in Almarta's Hamlet, 0:47:14.920 --> 0:47:19.960 so I, um, it's like sixteen years ago though, the 0:47:20.040 --> 0:47:22.320 kind of modern take on Hamlet with Ethan Hawk and 0:47:22.400 --> 0:47:25.359 the role, and uh, I've forgotten all about that. It's 0:47:25.400 --> 0:47:27.640 a fascinating movie. Do you remember it now that you've 0:47:28.080 --> 0:47:30.480 I just think I was there for about thirty minutes. 0:47:30.920 --> 0:47:33.239 I don't. I don't. That was like a movie made 0:47:33.280 --> 0:47:36.960 for nothing, probably shot in a few weeks, and you know, 0:47:37.080 --> 0:47:42.200 I had a few lines, and um, I felt like, well, 0:47:42.200 --> 0:47:45.640 that was a weird experience. I remember ran into Michael 0:47:45.719 --> 0:47:48.960 at the New York Film Festival after the screening of 0:47:49.040 --> 0:47:52.520 Manchester c and he was lovely and I, uh, I 0:47:52.600 --> 0:47:55.239 hadn't seen him in a decade. Uh. He's such an 0:47:55.280 --> 0:47:59.399 interesting guy and interesting filmmaker. I kind of loved that movie. 0:47:59.440 --> 0:48:01.560 It's such a product of its time too. I think 0:48:01.600 --> 0:48:03.480 there's like a more Chiba song in it or something 0:48:03.560 --> 0:48:07.759 like that. Uh. And you know the last question here, 0:48:08.840 --> 0:48:10.719 when you guys were young, when you were living up 0:48:10.760 --> 0:48:14.600 on that Hill Street house in Eagle Rock or was 0:48:14.680 --> 0:48:18.279 this what the dream looked liked? Did it differ from 0:48:18.480 --> 0:48:21.359 the reality and any significant way for you, like when 0:48:21.400 --> 0:48:24.800 you were trying to break in? Is this what you 0:48:24.880 --> 0:48:30.879 were hoping for? Um? You know? When I lived there, 0:48:31.120 --> 0:48:33.960 I after high school, I me and my best friend 0:48:34.400 --> 0:48:37.279 drove out to l A. And uh I never been 0:48:37.320 --> 0:48:39.520 out there. I didn't really know anyone who had any success. 0:48:40.680 --> 0:48:43.120 I didn't have an agent. I didn't know how to 0:48:43.320 --> 0:48:46.120 find an agent. Lived in Eagle Rock. I didn't even 0:48:46.200 --> 0:48:48.200 I don't think I even went into Hollywood. I think 0:48:48.200 --> 0:48:50.360 I knew Hollywood was I thought I was in Hollywood. 0:48:50.360 --> 0:48:56.480 I was an Eagle Rock and uh uh. I I 0:48:56.719 --> 0:49:01.120 liked acting because I like doing it's in high school, 0:49:01.440 --> 0:49:05.399 you know, and and what that is a pretty um 0:49:06.920 --> 0:49:09.120 far cry from what it really is to be like 0:49:09.239 --> 0:49:12.520 an I'm actor who works in movies and TV. Uh 0:49:15.080 --> 0:49:17.759 So when I was out here, I spent most of 0:49:17.800 --> 0:49:20.360 the year trying to find an agent and trying to 0:49:21.360 --> 0:49:25.239 find a job, and I get auditions and I was 0:49:25.400 --> 0:49:28.799 working in some restaurant and really I sort of lost 0:49:28.840 --> 0:49:31.319 interest over the course of the year because it wasn't 0:49:31.320 --> 0:49:33.120 a great experience I didn't like the auditions I was 0:49:33.160 --> 0:49:35.080 getting or anything I was reading. And it wasn't like 0:49:35.520 --> 0:49:38.960 what I remembered of, you know, doing theater and my 0:49:39.080 --> 0:49:42.200 high school, which sort of sounds so naive, but it 0:49:42.320 --> 0:49:49.320 was true. And and uh, I the dream that I 0:49:49.480 --> 0:49:52.360 had was based on that. It was that I just 0:49:52.560 --> 0:49:54.880 liked sort of doing drama in a way that a 0:49:54.960 --> 0:49:59.239 kid does. And and but so no, it doesn't look 0:49:59.239 --> 0:50:00.719 like I didn't know what was in fo I know 0:50:00.760 --> 0:50:02.640 what I was getting this over into. Uh. And I 0:50:03.760 --> 0:50:06.480 I'm incredibly grateful for the career that I have now, 0:50:06.680 --> 0:50:11.640 because I almost I can't. I can't explain the good fortune. 0:50:11.840 --> 0:50:14.960 Um Like, when I did Jesse James, I thought, if 0:50:15.000 --> 0:50:17.359 I could just I read the book and I thought 0:50:17.480 --> 0:50:18.920 I heard they were making it into a movie, and 0:50:18.920 --> 0:50:20.799 I thought, if I could play this part, I'll never 0:50:20.840 --> 0:50:23.680 ask for anything else, you know. And then I did it, 0:50:23.800 --> 0:50:25.520 and I and then I went on to work with 0:50:25.640 --> 0:50:28.920 a handful of other people who whose movies I admired 0:50:29.000 --> 0:50:31.480 and I really wanted to work with and I um 0:50:32.320 --> 0:50:34.160 and each time I thought like, oh man, this has 0:50:34.239 --> 0:50:37.160 got to be the pinnacle of my career. This is 0:50:37.360 --> 0:50:39.719 this is amazing and then I go on get to 0:50:39.760 --> 0:50:41.879 do something else, and I stayed close to so many 0:50:41.920 --> 0:50:44.960 of them, and um, I had to know gus Man 0:50:45.120 --> 0:50:47.560 sand and then he would invite me to go, you know, 0:50:47.920 --> 0:50:50.680 edit on one of his movies and just sort of 0:50:50.680 --> 0:50:53.759 sit around and learn watch him shadow him and Harris 0:50:53.960 --> 0:50:55.520 Vitas is shooting, and I get to be around all 0:50:55.560 --> 0:50:59.560 these people who are just you know, brilliant and I 0:51:00.400 --> 0:51:03.600 um and for whatever reason, they were included me and 0:51:03.640 --> 0:51:07.360 we're nice to me. And so the dream in in 0:51:07.480 --> 0:51:10.680 some way, uh is better than what I thought, you know, 0:51:10.920 --> 0:51:14.880 the the reality was better than is better than what 0:51:15.040 --> 0:51:20.920 I dreamt UM. In other ways, it's uh a lot worse. 0:51:21.080 --> 0:51:22.760 You know. There are things that I didn't know about. 0:51:22.840 --> 0:51:25.279 I was I was gonna have to do, and um, 0:51:26.239 --> 0:51:28.759 I didn't realize like I didn't never thought ahead said 0:51:28.760 --> 0:51:31.759 well someday you're gonna have kids. Now you're the only 0:51:31.880 --> 0:51:33.800 thing that you were able to do to murder Livings 0:51:33.840 --> 0:51:36.040 be an actor, and you're gonna have to go away 0:51:36.120 --> 0:51:37.879 for four months and go do a movie and it's 0:51:37.880 --> 0:51:40.000 gonna be heartbreaking to be with your family along and 0:51:40.040 --> 0:51:42.440 stuff like that. Uh So there's all the kind of 0:51:43.000 --> 0:51:46.600 the challenges that come with it, um, as with any job, 0:51:46.719 --> 0:51:51.000 and just responsibility and getting older and stuff. So the 0:51:51.280 --> 0:51:53.960 reality has been pretty different than than the dream. And um, 0:51:54.480 --> 0:51:56.320 do you think you think you're still chasing that feeling 0:51:56.360 --> 0:51:58.960 you had in high school? Well, I'm chasing the feeling 0:51:59.000 --> 0:52:00.879 that I've had. You know, some I I s get 0:52:00.960 --> 0:52:03.480 a little little glimpses of teeny tiny little doses of 0:52:03.560 --> 0:52:05.520 on some of the movies that I've done. Too. Uh. 0:52:06.000 --> 0:52:08.480 I wish I could do more theater. Um, that's kind 0:52:08.480 --> 0:52:11.279 of the purest version of of what I like to do. 0:52:12.239 --> 0:52:13.800 But I don't live in New York or London. I 0:52:13.880 --> 0:52:15.800 live in l A and it's not that much of it. Also, 0:52:15.840 --> 0:52:17.920 I really love the people who are making movies. It's 0:52:17.960 --> 0:52:20.840 fun to be around them and everybody from like the 0:52:20.920 --> 0:52:23.840 directors to the when it's done talking about them, you know, 0:52:23.960 --> 0:52:26.640 with people who like to talk about them, and we're 0:52:26.680 --> 0:52:28.400 interested and talk about them in smart ways and have 0:52:28.520 --> 0:52:32.680 smart questions, not the other all that other noise that happens. Um. 0:52:34.040 --> 0:52:36.399 I love. I also love making movies, so I'm happy 0:52:36.480 --> 0:52:40.440 to do it. Um. I don't think, Okay, this is 0:52:40.440 --> 0:52:42.120 definitely how I'm gonna spend the rest of my life. 0:52:42.160 --> 0:52:45.560 It might be UH doing something else, either by choice 0:52:45.640 --> 0:52:49.480 or because you know, I'll stop getting work. Um, but 0:52:49.600 --> 0:52:51.440 I can foresee a time when I'm not being an 0:52:51.480 --> 0:52:56.760 actor and and that doesn't scare me too much. UM. Okay, 0:52:57.120 --> 0:53:01.160 that's good, I'd be scared. Uh. In the meantime, go 0:53:01.320 --> 0:53:03.840 see Manchester by the Case. He is phenomenal in it, 0:53:04.239 --> 0:53:07.279 and congratulations in advance for your OSCAR nomination. Not to 0:53:07.760 --> 0:53:09.680 jinx it, but I don't. I think it's a safe bet. 0:53:09.880 --> 0:53:12.480 It's it's an amazing performance. So thanks again for being 0:53:12.520 --> 0:53:14.600 on the show man. I really appreciate my pleasure anytime. 0:53:14.640 --> 0:53:24.360 Thanks dude, m M. Thanks for listening everyone. Remember to 0:53:24.400 --> 0:53:26.880 subscribe and check back next week. You've been listening to 0:53:27.000 --> 0:53:32.560 playback at Variety. M