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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kickoff live right

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Speaker 1: here on Giants dot com. I am John Schmilki, is

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Speaker 1: Lands Meadal two one nine four or five one three.

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Speaker 1: Hashtag Giants Chat on Twitter if you want to get

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Speaker 1: in touch of that way. You can't thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for being with us. Giants fall to the Arizona

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Speaker 1: Cardinals twenty seven to twenty one. In this game lance

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Speaker 1: a six point game. It was a three point game

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Speaker 1: by midway through the fourth quarter. So it was a

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Speaker 1: game that was right there for the taking. But in

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Speaker 1: the end, and we'll get into the specifics obviously, but

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Speaker 1: I'll just speak broadly for the moment. Just too many

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Speaker 1: individual mistakes, whether it was turnovers or penalties or lack

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Speaker 1: of execution, drops, missed field goals go down the list,

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Speaker 1: bad decisions. It was just way too much for this

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Speaker 1: team to overcome against the Cardinals. We've talked about this

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Speaker 1: over the last few weeks. John. It's one thing to

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Speaker 1: commit four turnovers against the Washington Redskins and be able

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Speaker 1: to overcome that. Now, part of that is because you

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Speaker 1: also for takeaways in a game like that, and let's

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Speaker 1: be honest, when the caliber of the opposition changes how

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Speaker 1: you execute is a big part of the conversation. And yesterday,

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Speaker 1: as you just alluded to, now you could point to

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Speaker 1: a variety of different situations and circumstances as to why

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Speaker 1: this game laid out heavily in favor of the Arizona Cardinals. Now,

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Speaker 1: I know a lot of people are gonna want to

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Speaker 1: point to individual players and saying that one individual, one

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Speaker 1: slash lost the game. I completely disagree with that philosophy,

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Speaker 1: but let's start with a few. The biggest thing out

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Speaker 1: of yesterday's game, John that jumps off the page is

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Speaker 1: the pressure that Daniel Jones faced throughout the game. Arizona

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Speaker 1: had eight sacks and twelve quarterback hits. Chandler Jones feasted

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Speaker 1: for the lack of a better term right now to choose, okay,

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Speaker 1: he teed off on that Giant's front line and had

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Speaker 1: himself appealed. He had a career high four sacks, he

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Speaker 1: had three tackles for a loss, and he also had

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Speaker 1: a force fumble, which was his fourth of the season.

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Speaker 1: He's an extremely opportunistic player and you saw why, and

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Speaker 1: the inability for the clean pocket to develop play and

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Speaker 1: play out drive and drive out was a big part

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Speaker 1: of why the offense struggled yesterday. Now, I'll say this, Lens.

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Speaker 1: I thought the protection was good enough until the final

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Speaker 1: two drives. Four of the eight sacks of the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: came on that final drive four, So that was when

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Speaker 1: the opportunity was there to perhaps take advantage of the lead.

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Speaker 1: But if you look at the first three and a

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Speaker 1: half quarters, and you went into this game and I

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Speaker 1: told you lands the Giants gave up four sacks through

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Speaker 1: three and a half quarters, you would have been like,

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Speaker 1: all right, that's not bad. And if you take a

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Speaker 1: look at those sacks, they did give up one of

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Speaker 1: them at both Pat Trimer and Daniel Jones spoke about today.

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Speaker 1: On the strip sack in the third quarter was on Jones.

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Speaker 1: That wasn't on the offensive line. He held the ball

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Speaker 1: too long. On a screen pass. They had Evan Ingram

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Speaker 1: out there blocking Chandler Jones. No one expects him to

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Speaker 1: sit there and block Chandler Jones for three or four seconds.

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Speaker 1: It's designed as the screen All these to do is

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Speaker 1: Jones didn't want to give up on the play. Something

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Speaker 1: that we talked about after he was drafted. Something that

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Speaker 1: his coaches have said he had to work on and

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Speaker 1: instead of just throwing it away. It was similar to

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Speaker 1: he held it and he held it and he tried

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Speaker 1: to throw it out of play and he got hit

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Speaker 1: correct same exact type of place. At this time, he

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Speaker 1: the offensive line, so I thought, while the lines certainly

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Speaker 1: did not play well, this line, to me, until those

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Speaker 1: last two drives played well enough of this Giant's offense

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Speaker 1: to succeed. Now the wheels fell off for them a

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Speaker 1: little bit, and those final two drives not making that

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Speaker 1: You had the miscommunications. Jones had to free run Chandler.

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Speaker 1: Jones had to free run at Daniel Jones, a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: On the miscommunication between Barkley and Remer's. They both blocked

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Speaker 1: Then uh the other sack Zeitler got pushed back by

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Speaker 1: Do I think it prevented the Giants of score more

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Speaker 1: opportunities to make plays in this game if not for

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Speaker 1: that's where I want to go next, Lance as the penalties,

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Speaker 1: because the penalties were killer in this game. And I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna go back to a drive and again in the

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Speaker 1: game that was a three point game at the end,

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Speaker 1: right the final drive of the first half. This to me,

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Speaker 1: when the game was lost. I agree with you. I

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Speaker 1: to me is when the game is lost. The Giants

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Speaker 1: two straight touchdowns, one on the drive, the second on

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Speaker 1: the block punt. The Giants get the ball back with

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Speaker 1: five fifty two remaining in the second quarter. Okay, they

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Speaker 1: drive the ball down. They get it to the forty

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Speaker 1: a nice pass to Golden Tate in a small window. Then,

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Speaker 1: can't come up with it. It It could have been a

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Speaker 1: big play. The next play, Barkley runs right. Daniel Jones,

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Speaker 1: excuse me, will Hernandez holds in the middle of the line.

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Speaker 1: It was the correct call. It was right at the

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Speaker 1: point of attack. I believe it was Peters that he held.

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Speaker 1: If I'm not gonna taken Corey, Peter pulled the shoulder

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Speaker 1: al Ja Grossa's big leg. He can make a fifty

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Speaker 1: They try to run a little bit of a draw.

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Speaker 1: minimum three points potential of seven points taken off the

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Speaker 1: that to me is where this game was ultimately lost. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: a good way to describe what transpired yesterday. And I'll

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Speaker 1: take it a step further. Similar to the turnover's issue

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Speaker 1: So you know, unfortunately these problems have reared their ugly

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Speaker 1: it was minus two because the one floss fumbal came

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Speaker 1: very slim. Well, and I agree with your point, John, However,

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Speaker 1: a turnover differential of minus ten that is the second

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Speaker 1: worst turnover differential in the NFL. And you to this air, stay,

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Speaker 1: what is Jones specifically into Jones? Now, that's only in

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Speaker 1: And what's happening John is turnovers are killer, no matter

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Speaker 1: we're actually going to take it into the end zone.

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Speaker 1: So over the last two weeks, the Patriots and the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals have scored thirty one points off of seven turnovers

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Speaker 1: by the Giants. That is huge. Now let's add to it, John.

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Speaker 1: They also had a block punt the New England Patriots. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so I know that doesn't go down as a turnover,

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Speaker 1: wanted to be technical. That's thirty eight points that the

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Speaker 1: Giants takeaways. And this is possible to win games. I

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Speaker 1: and Jones's interception in this game three plays later, Tony

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Speaker 1: uh in shocking sixty seven percent at a time the

432
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Speaker 1: first two weeks. Remember though, they were also down to

433
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Speaker 1: Dallas by about you know, twenty one points earlier in

434
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Speaker 1: that game too, So game flow has something to do

435
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Speaker 1: with that. Um, I would have to look at it,

436
00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:56,560
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, but I think, in my

437
00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:58,600
Speaker 1: humble opinion, and again I have to look more closely

438
00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:00,159
Speaker 1: at it. Those are very good numbers, and and you

439
00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,399
Speaker 1: make good points. I think Jones's presence and the fact

440
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Speaker 1: that he used shotgun a lot of Duke probably has

441
00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:07,880
Speaker 1: a lot to do with that well. But I also

442
00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,359
Speaker 1: think game flow too on top of that, because let's

443
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Speaker 1: piggyback off of your point about the Cowboys game. John,

444
00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,359
Speaker 1: They're down seventeen nothing to the Cardinals. Okay, you already

445
00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:17,679
Speaker 1: dig yourself at a hole. Yeah, you came back against

446
00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,639
Speaker 1: the Patriots, but you were down fourteen nothing, down against

447
00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,920
Speaker 1: You're down again. You're down against Tampa and Minnesota you're

448
00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,280
Speaker 1: also down, so you know that playing catch up from

449
00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,240
Speaker 1: all those games. I think that's another big reason to

450
00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:30,439
Speaker 1: answer your question, Ron, why they're in shotgun a lot.

451
00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,720
Speaker 1: I think it's the combination of, as John mentioned, his

452
00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:36,040
Speaker 1: comforted duke and maybe making the transition smooth. And then

453
00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:40,200
Speaker 1: also they've been playing from behind incent of the games

454
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Speaker 1: so far. Ron, do you have in front of you?

455
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Speaker 1: And I can check it too, And I'm probably asking

456
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Speaker 1: too much of you, but no, I got you know,

457
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Speaker 1: I got you do have? Do you do a play

458
00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,680
Speaker 1: action percentage from last year, last day? Compared to this year.

459
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Speaker 1: I don't know. And the one thing I want to

460
00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,520
Speaker 1: just touch out. I'll check that. Kind of the point

461
00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:01,240
Speaker 1: you guys just made list just because it down four

462
00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,480
Speaker 1: team nothing early in the game, and a lot of

463
00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:06,680
Speaker 1: these games have been like the first couple of drives.

464
00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:10,680
Speaker 1: The team scoring doesn't mean going in shotgun and throwing

465
00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:14,680
Speaker 1: is the right move. I don't, especially with a young

466
00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:18,639
Speaker 1: quarterback there. He's getting killed back there. It doesn't seem

467
00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,760
Speaker 1: like this approach has worked for the Giants. I didn't

468
00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:23,640
Speaker 1: want to go back to Macadoo, but it didn't work

469
00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:27,240
Speaker 1: on the Macadoo, and it hasn't worked yet under Shermer.

470
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,720
Speaker 1: At some point, I feel like they need to try

471
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Speaker 1: to do something else. I gotta run back to up

472
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Speaker 1: and I want to ask you one more question. Sure,

473
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,439
Speaker 1: you've gotta jump off the air past. Sherman has been

474
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Speaker 1: here now since a year and a half. What is

475
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Speaker 1: his most redeeming quality? Thanks? I think, honestly, Ron, I

476
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Speaker 1: think patch. I like his offensive scheme. I think he

477
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Speaker 1: schemes people open. I think he knows how to round

478
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,639
Speaker 1: of the offense. He will take shots down the field.

479
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 1: This is not a checkdown offense. They will try to

480
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,399
Speaker 1: get the ball down the field. And generally speaking, there

481
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,280
Speaker 1: a few times in this game where they weren't. But

482
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Speaker 1: generally speaking, I believe he gets guys open in his

483
00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,359
Speaker 1: offensive scheme. I really do. Well, you go back to

484
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Speaker 1: the game yesterday. You know, there were some opportunities down

485
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 1: the field, you had some drop passes, You had obviously

486
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 1: some opportunities before all of a sudden the pocket closed

487
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,320
Speaker 1: and that falls on the quarterback to holding the ball

488
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Speaker 1: a little too long. So you know, once again, after

489
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Speaker 1: a game like this, do you say to yourself, was

490
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Speaker 1: this a loss because of schematics or was this a

491
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Speaker 1: loss because of the lack of execution? And I would

492
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Speaker 1: lean more towards the lack of execution than perhaps the

493
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Speaker 1: scheme being out of lack. And you could also go

494
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Speaker 1: back to some of the previous games too, against the

495
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Speaker 1: Vikings and the Patriots. They have been plagued by drop

496
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 1: passes each of the last few weeks. They've been plagued

497
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Speaker 1: by penalties when they can least afford to have those.

498
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 1: That Patriots game, okay, the Giants were knocking on the

499
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 1: door in the red zone a few times, and whether

500
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,440
Speaker 1: it be because of a fumble, whether it be because

501
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 1: of an interception they walked away with no points. So

502
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 1: it's not the lack and the inability of being able

503
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Speaker 1: to move the football I would point to as to

504
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 1: why the Giants are two and five. It's just the

505
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 1: conglomeration of mental lapses that are happening when this team

506
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 1: can't afford to do that. And I go back to

507
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:16,359
Speaker 1: the Redskins game. The Redskins game, because the Redskins were

508
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 1: in such disarray, they had injuries, they clearly then parted

509
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Speaker 1: ways with their head coach. You can afford to turn

510
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Speaker 1: the ball over four times when you then go up

511
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Speaker 1: against a fellow rookie quarterback who did not start the game,

512
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 1: was thrown into his first regular scene game action, and

513
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 1: you were able to capitalize because he was taking chances

514
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,159
Speaker 1: and you had a good aggressive read on him. Okay,

515
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 1: but when you're going up against Tom Brady and the Patriots,

516
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Speaker 1: who present a well oiled machine. When you're going up

517
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Speaker 1: against Kirk Cousins of entering quarterback who surrounded by two

518
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 1: elite receivers at Adam Feeland and Stefon Diggs, and a

519
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,119
Speaker 1: great running back in Dalvid Cook, and when you go

520
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Speaker 1: up against the Cardinals team that yes, has a relatively

521
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Speaker 1: new scheme, but they've been playing much better football over

522
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Speaker 1: the last two weeks, and they just go by the

523
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Speaker 1: way get their Pro Bowl cornerback with Patrick Peterson. You

524
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,119
Speaker 1: could throw out the philosophy of we could get away

525
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,360
Speaker 1: with four turnovers and we'll find a way to get

526
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,640
Speaker 1: back into a game. You don't get a block punt

527
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,639
Speaker 1: for a touchdown every game. Okay, you don't get a

528
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 1: defensive fumble recovery returned by Marcus Golden every game. You

529
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 1: just can't rely on those things to present themselves. And

530
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 1: then you make a fourteen nothing devasit a seventeen nothing

531
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,119
Speaker 1: devsit dissipates. So once again I get back to I

532
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 1: really don't think this is schematic issues. I just think

533
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 1: is is the players when they have opportunities, they gotta

534
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 1: take advantage of because the margin for error right now

535
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 1: for this team, forget minute, it's non existent. Giants can't

536
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,400
Speaker 1: afford to make mistakes. They have to play very good

537
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:43,479
Speaker 1: for to play perfect football, John or near perfect football.

538
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 1: But you have to play good for you have. You

539
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 1: have to play an A or a B game. If

540
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 1: you wanted a chance to win, you shall play a

541
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 1: C or D game, you're not winning, by the way,

542
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:54,199
Speaker 1: I don't care what team you're playing. I don't. I

543
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 1: just don't do no. I agree with you. I look

544
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 1: at the Bills this week. The Bills almost lost to

545
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Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins. There down two scores to the Dolphins.

546
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: Bills are one lost. Team works because it's a week

547
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 1: to week league. There's not a huge disparity between opponents.

548
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 1: You've heard us say that time and time again. I

549
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 1: say the parity of the NFL. That's a term that

550
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 1: I utilized. I wholeheartedly agree with you. But the reason

551
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: I did bring up the Redskins John, and it's not

552
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:22,160
Speaker 1: that I'm trying to pick on them, but I think

553
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 1: the circumstances for the Redskins in that game presented a

554
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 1: golden opportunity for the Giants because it's not very often

555
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,959
Speaker 1: that you get an opponent that decides to remove their

556
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: starting quarterback the first two series and says here, Dwayne

557
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,919
Speaker 1: Haskins baptism by fire going to the game. So that

558
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 1: I think was a great opportunity, and the Giants, to

559
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 1: their credit, took advantage. And we've said this all the time.

560
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 1: You have to beat up on bad opponents, and to

561
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 1: the Giants credit, they did. But the Cardinals I thought

562
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,439
Speaker 1: was a team that a lot of people were sleeping on.

563
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 1: And I'll go back to a conversation David Deal and

564
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 1: I had John last Wednesday on Big Blue Ke Off Live.

565
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 1: The both of us were pointing out with Peterson's return

566
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Speaker 1: and some of the defensive of playmakers and how the

567
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 1: offense was going along. I disagreed with a lot of

568
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 1: Giants fans that felt, all the schedule is going to

569
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,640
Speaker 1: open up now, and you're getting to the easy section,

570
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: and this is gonna be a layup line. Don't sleep

571
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 1: on some of these upcoming opponents, including the Lions and

572
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 1: the Jets. Okay, that's not how the NFL operates. It's

573
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 1: a little shotgun the first step, second half, second half,

574
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 1: six first half, and I gotta do Elive or Jones

575
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: to at some point I'll figure it out. I'm gonna

576
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 1: do the mathematics. Yeah, this is I'm gonna go into

577
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,639
Speaker 1: a rabbit hole here if I keep doing these sorts

578
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 1: and it's gonna become problematic. I'm getting these off the profits. Thanks,

579
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:40,640
Speaker 1: by the way for bringing this up. We really appreciate.

580
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 1: But I think I think Ron makes a good point

581
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: because we talked about that second fl last year, how

582
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: a lot more play action and I was about to

583
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: sort play action next and playing on the center was

584
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,679
Speaker 1: advantageous because that's what Eli Manning traditionally has been good at.

585
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 1: The difference is that Jones hasn't necessarily traditionally been good

586
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,199
Speaker 1: at that. And really, I I know people want to

587
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 1: go after the offensive line eyes. It's a lot of

588
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 1: it is quarterback holding the ball longer than you should.

589
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 1: There's a reason if you look at the pressure rates

590
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: when Eli Manning was the quarterback as opposed to Daniel Jones,

591
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 1: they're much much lower. It's just that's what happens when

592
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,199
Speaker 1: you put a rookie in there. It's part of it,

593
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: and it's okay, you get it. But it's just amazing Lands.

594
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: I don't understand when you have a quarterback that's mobile,

595
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 1: how are you getting old this pressure? Yeah, I don't understand.

596
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: It's truly remarkable. That has been a stunning development to me.

597
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: The other stunning development is that the defense is just

598
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 1: more motivated to play with Daniel Jones at quarterback right now.

599
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: That's another mystery that I have had so many sleepless

600
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: nights wondering you may we haven't got into the bottom

601
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 1: of that. You mean the thirteen place seventy yard to

602
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 1: start the game for a touchdown. Don't let the numbers

603
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 1: ruin a good story, John, Okay, stop being a party

604
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: pooper here on this Monday. Okay, alright, let's cut to

605
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 1: Terray in Phillies up next. What's up, Toray? How you doing? Toy?

606
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: Torey going once something? Lying through Mackenzie. You can put

607
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 1: them on all the day A go just um agree

608
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 1: with what you guys that you just said about we

609
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: have a mobile quarterback and we shouldn't be get fact

610
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: like that. Um. The problem I have is, going back

611
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: to the last caller bout it does seem like we're

612
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: in shocked them too long. And I think defenses when

613
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: they look at them, they noticed that, like, hey, they

614
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: keep them in shotguns. So we have an opportunity to

615
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 1: get to them. And what I think Sherman should do

616
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 1: is try some bootleggers, get me moving out of the

617
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: pockets and tiles. He's just standing back there taking facts.

618
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: I mean eight facts. That's that's that's that's a call

619
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: for I mean the second half he should have had

620
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: her moving a little bit more, you know, on the

621
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: run makes get creative with him getting some design runs

622
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: in there. I mean eight fact, man, that that was

623
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: just crazy. I was disgusted with that game yesterday and

624
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: far as that third and eight teams. I mean, if

625
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: I was a defit, there's only one or two things

626
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: that I know is coming A draw or screen the

627
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: defense they already had. No one was coming. No no

628
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: no no no no no no, that's all right. Hold on,

629
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: hold on. If you look at the tape at the snap,

630
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: do you know what the linebackers doing on that play.

631
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: The linebackers are running backwards away from the line of scrimmage.

632
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: So no, they did not know what draw play was coming. Yeah,

633
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: they were anticipating a deeper throat, correct traps, correct, do what.

634
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: I watched the tape. I watched the play. You can't

635
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: just make stuff up and say it's true. It's not true.

636
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: I watched the tape. I can show it to you.

637
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: The linebackers at the snap ran backwards. But no, no,

638
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: no no no no no no no no no no.

639
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: You are not begging disagree. It's a fact. It's a fact.

640
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: You cannot disagree on a fact. That's what happened on

641
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: the play. Just because doesn't fit your narrative doesn't mean

642
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: it's not a fact. I did run back. They've only

643
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: got three yards on the well because it didn't work.

644
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: Nothing well but well, but Tore, you're going based on

645
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: the result of the play, and Tore, I'm not. I'm

646
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: not disagreeing with you, but you're you're basing that on

647
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,479
Speaker 1: the result of the play. What John is explaining is

648
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: if you go before the play happened based on the

649
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: alignment of the Arizona defense and what Pat Sherbo was

650
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: even explaining with the two shells and the opportunity with

651
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: four guys in the box for then Daniel Jones to

652
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: make the right decision to say, hey, there's room for

653
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: a running back to maneuver. Let's take the opportunity, get

654
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: maybe seven or eight yards. Cut the yardage in the

655
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: down and distance in half, make it a more manageable

656
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: fourth down. You can understand that logic. You're frustrated because

657
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 1: they only got three yards, and that's fair. I get it.

658
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: That's fair. I get it. I'm not because of the

659
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 1: three jars that they didn't even get the first down

660
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 1: we did get they only got three jars. Yeah, which

661
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: means the results they just didn't make sense. I mean,

662
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: that's just my opinion, didn't make sense. No problem. My

663
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: opinion is Charlot he's a good coach, but I think

664
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: he's inconsistent in his play caller. That's that's my opinion.

665
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: And if it was if it was me and I

666
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: was in the front office, I would try to turn

667
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: their hands over to Miike Show. Let's see what how

668
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: he do play calling. What's your problem with the play calling,

669
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: specifically Tory? What what's inconsistent about him? What don't you

670
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,959
Speaker 1: like think he can be more creative with the players

671
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: he had. If you're gonna let Daniel general, if you

672
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: still as though he comfortable in the pocket and shotgun,

673
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: you know defense are going to see that on film.

674
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: Try to get creative. You gotta switch things up, make it,

675
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: make it look different for the defense, make it horror,

676
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: make different looks for them. I mean, they're just sitting

677
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: back there. This is just the guy didn't want to run, Dityo.

678
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: I just want to see a little bit more creativity,

679
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: got it, I mean a little bit more designed runs.

680
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: And that's all just thanks for taking across. Thank you.

681
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: Always good to hear from you. And again, folks, you

682
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: can call on calling opinions, but but just you know,

683
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: don't try to tell me some players did something to

684
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: play when when when they didn't? So well, John, you

685
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: know what this is going back to it, it's a

686
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: little bit of what we were just talking about, I think,

687
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: And again he was right by the way. It was

688
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: not an effective play, but doesn't mean it wasn't the

689
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: right thing to do. And that's why there's a difference

690
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: to him being frustrated over the result of a play,

691
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: John correct, versus being frustrated based on what you thought

692
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: the defense provided, which was the complete opposite. But when

693
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: I listened to that phone call and I hear things

694
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: about they got to be more creative. I'm thinking back

695
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: to the Tampa Bay game right because we saw him

696
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: roll out, John right, that beautiful pass that he threw

697
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: to Darius Slayden that was off him rolling out, getting

698
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: his feet set barely with pressure in his face and

699
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: giving Darius Slayden a perfect pass to get down right

700
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: at the go line. And we saw some of the

701
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: designed opportunities where Daniel Jones was able to take it himself.

702
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: But this goes back to what worked against Tampa Bay

703
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: could very well be in the game plan again John

704
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: against Minnesota and against New England, and then New England

705
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: and Minnesota say not so fast, okay, because we're gonna

706
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: have a linebacker ready for Daniel Jones when he's about

707
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 1: to come out off the edge. And we actually saw

708
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: that against Minnesota when Anthony bar was Daniel Jones okay,

709
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: as if he was a glue stick. I mean he

710
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: was with him every step of the way. There was

711
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: a play where Daniel Jones was coming off the edge

712
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: and Anthony Barr was right in his grill. So that's

713
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: what I go back to what you saw in the

714
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay game, and everybody was enamored, and I understand

715
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: that there was a lot of excitement to expect. Then

716
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: defenses to not respond to the level of execution of

717
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is just being naive, and that's what happened.

718
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: They then said we're gonna take away those options, and

719
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: now you're not seeing as much of that because they're

720
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: accounting for Daniel jones mobility through five on three. I

721
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: want to try to get through some of these calls

722
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: a little bit quicker, folks. I'm not trying to hang

723
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: up on you, but I don't to make sure we

724
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: got the phone lines have been filled the whole time.

725
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: I want to make sure you get to as many

726
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: people as possible. And maybe we'll go a little bit

727
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: past two thirties, since you started about five minutes late.

728
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: John Pennsylvania's up next. How are you, Joe? Oh, I

729
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: guess bummed out, Like everybody might understood, he my big

730
00:33:55,880 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: t was our our defense. I mean you one or

731
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: me or Lands could have ran through that them holds

732
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: for that touchdown he wasn't touch which one I think,

733
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 1: especially the first one that I don't understand. I mean

734
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 1: the defense of what line where our defensive ends playing

735
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: that white for containment on the quarterback on the first

736
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 1: play Joe. On the first Edmunds run, Zimmonez got caught

737
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: inside and the to the defensive back in safety got

738
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: blocked out towards the sideline, and then the Arizona blockers

739
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: were able to get to the second level and prevent

740
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 1: Peppers from getting over from the week side, so it

741
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 1: was blocked really well. But Zimmenez did not set the

742
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 1: edge well on that play and Pierre got sealed to

743
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 1: on the one up the middle, Biffet had the chance

744
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,760
Speaker 1: at a solo tackle, he bounced off Edmonds and actually,

745
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 1: if you look at the tape on that, Peppers gets

746
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: pushed right in the back by the center Shipley. It

747
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: should have been an illegal block in the back penalty

748
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: that wasn't called. And then on a final play, I'm

749
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: trying to remember on the fight, I don't remember offhand

750
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: on the final play exactly what happened. But but those

751
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 1: are at least two of the runs right, and some

752
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: of them third and monks. But but but he wasn't touched,

753
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: honest to god, that's what I says. We could first

754
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 1: he wasn't. That that was disgusting, you know. And we

755
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: played we played against you know, Minnesota's defense in New

756
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 1: England's you know they I thought our our offensive defensive

757
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: lines played much tougher in them games and this one,

758
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: you know, and in our person personnel that was the key.

759
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: They set the tone and uh, their quarterback and then

760
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: never had to really make a play, you know what

761
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: I mean that there was no pressure on them. That

762
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: was always on us, and we never got over to

763
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: hump to get the lead. In that game, and and

764
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: really that was the key. Uh and it was sickening,

765
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: you know, and I just don't understand that so uh

766
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 1: the play was on Jack Rabbit? Was that that was that? Uh,

767
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: the passage deference you're talking about. Honestly, I don't think

768
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: it was, Joe, But once it's called on the field,

769
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: they're just not all you on one there, you know

770
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: what I mean? But that that's still regardless, I says

771
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 1: in all our turnovers and everything else. It was it

772
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: was the tone set by the defense and the offense,

773
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: and that we never got over the hump. I think

774
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 1: appreciate the just disgusting. Hopefully we uh you know, move on.

775
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,320
Speaker 1: The only thing I could take. I'm happy my Yankees lost,

776
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: the Giants lost, the Eagles lost. I could take the

777
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: appreciate fairness. Though another NFC e's team won as a

778
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: result of the Cowboys losing, I don't really think it's

779
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 1: a win situation there. But anyway, and I think Joe

780
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 1: made a good point because we didn't talk about the

781
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: defense lands. The first three possessions all ended in scores. Now,

782
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: one was a short field just starting two yards shore,

783
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,919
Speaker 1: but a thirteen place seventy five yard to start, seventy

784
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: five yard drive to start the game, two or three

785
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: on third down, one of one on fourth down, and

786
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 1: they kind of just marched down the field. And then, frankly,

787
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:10,959
Speaker 1: I know the defense had better in the second half.

788
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: They only allowed one short touchdown drive to three for

789
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: thirty six. But the Arizona Cardinals, once the weather got bad,

790
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 1: they also kind of put the offense in a safe

791
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 1: little bit. Do you know he passes Calamari through in

792
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: the second half. I don't know if hand, but it

793
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like he only threw for hundred four yards

794
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: in the game. So if I'm not missing to imagine

795
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: he let me just look at it real quick. He

796
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: was twelve of seventeen in the first half of this,

797
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: all right, So then he threw it four times then

798
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: in the second half two or four, two or four.

799
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: Now the Giants evens had a better job stop in

800
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 1: a run, and they did a better job. They tried

801
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: some of those misdirection screenplays and stuff like that, and

802
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 1: they shut those down. But they really they're like, look,

803
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: we have the lead, we trust our defense, and they

804
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: put the game in a safe offensive witness and look,

805
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna make you guys beat us. Well, this game

806
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: played out as close to perfection for the Cardinals as

807
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: they could have asked for, because let's look at it

808
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,040
Speaker 1: from the elements coming into the game. I thought it

809
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 1: was a bit of gamesmanship on the part of Cliff

810
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: Kingsbury when he came out and said on Friday, if

811
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: they were playing a game, David Johnson wouldn't have been

812
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,439
Speaker 1: able to play. Those were his exact words. I thought

813
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: it was response to what Pat Shermer was doing with

814
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 1: say Kwan Barkley. I thought it was, you know, let's

815
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: see who can catch somebody off guard. And then I

816
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: went back and I listened to what Cliff Kingsbury said

817
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: after the game, and it appeared David Johnson, Yeah, it

818
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: was very shaken up leading into this week and they

819
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,399
Speaker 1: wanted to rest him up. D J. Foster, another guy

820
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: who was out of the backfield, was banged up to

821
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: they lost him late in the week in practice, and

822
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: their plan was Chase Edmonds gonna be the guy and

823
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: they'll use David Johnson in an emergency circumstance. So, john

824
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: you couldn't have asked for a better circumstance where Chase

825
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: Edmonds is running one big chunk after another, they get

826
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,240
Speaker 1: the seventeen nothing lead. Then the rain starts coming down,

827
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 1: and you don't want to put your quarterback in a

828
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: precarious spot where he's got to throw it thirty to

829
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: forty times because that could lead to turnover. So, like

830
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: I said, this worked out perfectly for the Cardinals. They

831
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: jumped out to a big lead, their backup running back

832
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 1: floor ish, and they didn't present their quarterback with a

833
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: very tough scenario. Yeah, and I think the weather did play.

834
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 1: I think. I think I think that really hampered both

835
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: offenses late second quarter or second half. I really do.

836
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: Kingsbury even admitted that he was asked, then rain affect

837
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: your game plan, your scheme, and he said yes, and

838
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 1: most coaches shy away from that, and they don't. He said, listen,

839
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 1: we have a precision passing offense and I wasn't gonna

840
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: put our quarterback in a spot where I was going

841
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: to ask him to tuck the ball down the field

842
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: if the weather conditions did not provide ideal circumstance. I

843
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: did think that Giant Stevens did a great job containing

844
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: Murray's running ability. They did. They deserve a lot of

845
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 1: credit for that ten rushes or twenty eight yards. He

846
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: didn't have one disruptive, backbreaking run. I don't think he

847
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: even ran for a first down the game, did he

848
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: His longest run was eleven, so I don't know if

849
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: that came on the first Remember that was on the

850
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 1: third and long and he ran up the middle where

851
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 1: he was just correct and he slid down the middle.

852
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't think he even had a first

853
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,280
Speaker 1: down run of the game. By the way, the speaking

854
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: of that, just as a little side note, if you

855
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: watch Murray closely, he has the perfect game plan to

856
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 1: protect himself. Did you notice, dude, he just gives up

857
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: on plays John, He runs out of bounds, never puts

858
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: himself in a spot where the defense is gonna lay

859
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: Hi out Russell Wilson. When the last time you saw

860
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson ahead Rusto? But Murray I think is actually

861
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 1: I would argue a little bit more off fine in

862
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 1: doing that. I mean he'll just give up on a play.

863
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: And Lance going into the game, I saw the same

864
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 1: exact thing on tape. He hasn't taken one big hit

865
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: the whole year. He just gets down and you know what,

866
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: when you're five eleven and like two undre pounds. That's

867
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: what japanna do. Absolutely. Yeah, I mean listen, I know

868
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: from experience, And do you think I kept this frame

869
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 1: in place for all these years? Yeah? You know those

870
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: are hard hitting broadcast pumping cars too. Yeah. Big Looking

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00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:42,920
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875
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: and say what's up to Marco in Connecticut? Next? Hey, Marco,

876
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,919
Speaker 1: what's up, buddy? I got I got a question. I'll

877
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: ask you right at the but a couple of quick points. Um,

878
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm just gonna vent a little bit um

879
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: Golden Golden Tee. Um, here's here's the thing about Golden Tee.

880
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,800
Speaker 1: I didn't know much about him besides his like yards

881
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: after Canna catch stuff that he you know, led the

882
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: league and before he came to the Giants. Um, I

883
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: don't need like, here's here's I'm just I'm venting to

884
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: Golden Teate. You were gone the first month of the season.

885
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: You backpedal into the end zone against New England the

886
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: square touchdown every catch Tea made yesterday. He had to

887
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: get up and do something. We're getting beat seventeen and nothing.

888
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,280
Speaker 1: I was beyond frustrated. I don't know if that's something

889
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,959
Speaker 1: he's going to continue to do. It makes some think,

890
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: but it's really a joke considering the way we're playing. First,

891
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: first thing, second thing, Um you did that later. It's

892
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: encompasses like the mental game. Um, I'm wondering, are there

893
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: referees that are working with the coaches, specifically schermerh week

894
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: to week so he's making these challenges, which he's in

895
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 1: the right to do, and we're seeing the replace and

896
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 1: the challenges are not getting overturned. Are the referees that

897
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: are working with him during the week to say, hey,

898
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 1: listen around the league, this is what's getting called. Well,

899
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: he knows that, Marco, he knows that. He's even admitted

900
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 1: that that he knows what the trends are. And he

901
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 1: basically said after the game, I didn't expect to get overturned,

902
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 1: but I wanted to make a point exactly, And he

903
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: was asked that specific question. He was asked, why do

904
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 1: you continue to do that if you know that you're

905
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: never going to get it overturned, then it's more of

906
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: on principle that he wants to bring this to the

907
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: attention of the league. And he also made the claim

908
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: and when you give up when it's a deep pass

909
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: down the field, for example with the Jenkins, and you're

910
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: gonna sacrifice forty some odd yards to the opponent, he

911
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 1: feels it's worth taking a chance to see by the

912
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 1: slight hair if this is the one time they'll actually overturn.

913
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: And Marco, I think, in addition to that, if it's

914
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 1: a second half play, I think he'd be much more

915
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: cautious about making that challenge, but losing a half time

916
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: out not quite as big of a deal. Good point

917
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: both to you. Thanks for thanks for taking me through that. Okay, um,

918
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: And the last point before my question is, I don't

919
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: know if you guys talked about the sweet and play

920
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: at the end. Why why are we not Maybe we

921
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: are Maybe he was on the player. I don't know.

922
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: We're not gonna throw a rookie under the bus, But

923
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 1: are we telling the player like, hey, listen, there's how

924
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: much time we have we we we were catching the

925
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 1: ball and we're downing the ball. We're not running this

926
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 1: out And to do that when we're putting we're moving

927
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,760
Speaker 1: time now, were like, it's putting us in that situation.

928
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 1: That's just I think football one oh one. On that

929
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: last play of the game, Sherman was asked that today, actually, Marcos,

930
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: we can give you some illumination on that too. He said,

931
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: if he had quoted deep in the end zone, he

932
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: was instructed to down it. But since he quoted only

933
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: one yard deep, and this is what he said again,

934
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: I'm just quoting the quote coach, I have faith in

935
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: my players to go out there and make plays, and

936
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: he had faith that he could make a big chunk

937
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: return and that's why he was okay it that despite

938
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 1: the fact, like you said, it might have cost him

939
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: an additional play before the two minute warning. Yeah, it

940
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,760
Speaker 1: also cost the yardage too, if you want to argue,

941
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: because of where the drive would have started. So I

942
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 1: mean fair points. But that's exactly what Shermer explained today.

943
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 1: He does have explanation, Schremer. But even like yesterday when

944
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:21,399
Speaker 1: they asked him about the fourth sound play, his reasoning was, um,

945
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: I had already made up my mind that we're going

946
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,800
Speaker 1: forward on We're going for it on FOURTHDNE But what

947
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: did Barkley had gotten stopped in the backfield, and now

948
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: it's fourth in eighteen twenty, you're you're still going for it.

949
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 1: I don't I don't understand the Hey, this is what

950
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 1: we're doing, and we're going to do it. And you know, Marco,

951
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,240
Speaker 1: that's funny, Marco, you're asking excellent questions because Pat Schremer

952
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: was asked that today too by the media. Um and yeah, yeah,

953
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: and it was it was Paul Schwartz. He asked them specifically,

954
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 1: you know, coach, you said last night that that was

955
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: your plan, that's what you're gonna do. Is there anything

956
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 1: that could have happened that could have changed your mind

957
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: from that plan? And he was legit asked that question,

958
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 1: and Pat kind of thought about it, and he was

959
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: a little bit softer on the you know, that was

960
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: a no brainer fourth and fifteen decision. When he spoke

961
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: to the media today, he said, look, I understand the criticism,

962
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: and yes, there are things that could have happened that

963
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: could have made me change my mind on what we

964
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 1: were going to do. But in the in the heat

965
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,280
Speaker 1: of the moment, that's what decided to do. As a coach,

966
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 1: you make your decisions, you get the criticism from those decisions.

967
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: I understand it and that's where we are so that

968
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,879
Speaker 1: that's kind of what he said about it today. Thank

969
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: thank you again, guys, And here's my way, here's my question.

970
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: I'll jump off you guys mentioned before about the rookie inconsistencies,

971
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: rookie mistakes, and in Jones has checked every box. I

972
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,959
Speaker 1: want to know both of you, what is your level

973
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 1: of concern with the fumbles the ball that we keep

974
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,879
Speaker 1: seeing get stripped every week. That has something that has

975
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: gone back to even Duke and in the preseason and

976
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: we're seeing it now. Um, and I believe when you

977
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: guys were studying film in the off season on these

978
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,760
Speaker 1: rookie quarterbacks, that was something that was brought up on Jones.

979
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,879
Speaker 1: What is your level of concern there? Thank you guys.

980
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 1: I'll be quick and then all at Lance at the

981
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: first goal Tapecu made to Heclance has been salivating for

982
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 1: the last ninety seconds about that. UM. Ball protection in

983
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: the pocket has never been a big thing for me.

984
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: And I'm consistent about this because when people called up

985
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: and we're ripping Sam Donald coming out of the USC

986
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: two years ago about him not protecting the ball, and

987
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: fumbling a lot. What I said, I said that you

988
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: can fix that. You can get two hands on the ball.

989
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: You can do it. So the physical protection of the ball, no,

990
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: no concerns. I think the internal clock and feeling pressure

991
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: and making good decisions under pressure. That's more of the

992
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: thing that I think you hone in on here that

993
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: can make the difference between a great quarterback and a

994
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: quarterback that is not at that upper upper tier level.

995
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 1: So I think it's more the internal clock, handling the pressure,

996
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: fueling the rush of that sort of thing that's more

997
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: important than the physical protection of the football. I think

998
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: with technique that can be fixed. Yeah, it's got to

999
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: become a routine for him, John, which is what you're

1000
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: spelling out. You get to the point where you sense

1001
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: the pressure, then your internal clocktails you. Okay, get two

1002
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: hands on the ball. Get ready brace myself for being

1003
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 1: taken down, or brace myself. I'm gonna run that I

1004
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: may take a hit and I've got to protect the ball.

1005
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 1: That just comes with routine, you know, like anything else.

1006
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: You practice it so that when you go into a game,

1007
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: it's just a continuous flow. As far as Marco's first

1008
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,919
Speaker 1: point about Golden Tate and what he's doing after every

1009
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 1: single play. I do remember the running backwards into the

1010
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: end zone against New England. I'll be honest with I

1011
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: was not necessarily paying that much close attention to what

1012
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,399
Speaker 1: he was doing. John, after maybe making a catch here

1013
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 1: there yesterday, maybe you could shed more light on that.

1014
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: I'd have to go back and listen carefully. I didn't

1015
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 1: notice anything that really was outrageous. But this is my

1016
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: perspective in my philosophy. Somebody would have to explain to

1017
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: me how Golden Tate running backwards into the end zone

1018
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 1: against the New England Patriots forced Daniel Jones to throw

1019
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 1: an interception in the second half of the game and

1020
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: force the Giants to be shut out in the second

1021
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:57,760
Speaker 1: half of the game. If you can correlate those two,

1022
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 1: then I am totally fine with hearing you out why

1023
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 1: you get irritated. And I'm not just pinpointing this on

1024
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 1: Mark or let's call I'm talking about anybody that has

1025
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 1: an issue. I want to know how those are synonymous

1026
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: with one another, because until somebody could prove that to me,

1027
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 1: it is not a crime to showcase emotion. These are

1028
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: human beings, Okay, putting their bodies on the line enjoying

1029
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: themselves at playing a professional sport, which is part of

1030
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 1: sports entertainment. They want to celebrate it after get in

1031
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: the first down. They want to celebrate it after get

1032
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: in the sack. I've got no problem with that. It

1033
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,320
Speaker 1: reminds me of not to go off on a complete tangent.

1034
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: But I know John is very passionate about this subject too.

1035
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 1: But it reminds me of because I know we've got

1036
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: a lot of Yankee fans too that are Giants fans.

1037
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 1: For anybody that wants to get all worked up over

1038
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: a roll, this chatman's facial expression after he gave up

1039
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: the home run to jose Al TV is in the

1040
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: same boat as people that are complaining about Golden Tate

1041
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: running backwards into the end zone. When is it a

1042
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: crime that he doesn't show his frustration in the manner

1043
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: that you want him to. It's not. We're not all robotic,

1044
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 1: so I'm not gonna get on a player. I'm not

1045
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: gonna get on a player for anything in terms of

1046
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,399
Speaker 1: how they behave after a play, whether it be good

1047
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,839
Speaker 1: or bad, because you then have to tell me how

1048
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: that impacts the rest of the team, and if you

1049
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 1: went through the locker room right now, and we were

1050
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: in there ten fifteen minutes ago. I don't think any

1051
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: fellow wide receiver will say I am so disgusted with

1052
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 1: what Golden Tape did against the Patriots that I could

1053
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,399
Speaker 1: not brace myself to go out there on the next

1054
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: drive and make a play. I just don't see anything.

1055
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: So as far as I'm concerned, I don't think it

1056
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: took anything away from the game, and it took certainly

1057
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: nothing away from the team's production or the lack thereof.

1058
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: I thought he was gonna bring up the past where

1059
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: he bailed on the slant. Well, if that's what you

1060
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 1: want to talk about, that's completely different, right, And I

1061
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: thought that this was more because, look, Jones should have

1062
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: thrown it there, because I will tell you, if Golden

1063
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: Tap goes to catch that ball on that first drive,

1064
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: he might not have played the rest of the game.

1065
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 1: That linebacker was coming over. And as Patch Irmer said

1066
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 1: as press conference today, that's what you call a play

1067
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,839
Speaker 1: that Jillie throw if there's nobody in the hole, which

1068
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: is what you call that on the slant, and there

1069
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:01,320
Speaker 1: was somebody in the hole. Oh yeah, So, as he said,

1070
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: I believe Pat Tremer said, yes, that could have been

1071
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 1: executed better on both ends of that play. Yes, but

1072
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 1: I believe that's what he said today. So he didn't

1073
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 1: hold back on that one. No, he did not. I'm

1074
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 1: trying to find Daniel Jones Duke's stats on fumbles and

1075
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: I can't. Did you go to College Football Reference? Do

1076
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 1: they have? Did? They do? Not? Do not have that?

1077
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 1: They're very good in terms of statistics. I know that

1078
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 1: was the first place I went. They do not have it,

1079
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,919
Speaker 1: so and I doubt Duke's website if you went back

1080
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 1: probably and had their individual statistical breakdown, that may be

1081
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 1: another route to go. I'm not sure. Sometimes colleges do

1082
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,399
Speaker 1: have the column in their breakdown of statistics and fumbles lost.

1083
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 1: I don't recall fumbles being a big issue for him,

1084
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 1: and too, honestly don't remember some of his decision making

1085
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,399
Speaker 1: at the end of plays under pressure when things broke

1086
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: down being a problem, and we talked about that in

1087
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: the show. I do not remember fumbles necessarily being an issue. John,

1088
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I do remember clearly what Marco was

1089
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 1: also referencing about. It was troublesome a little bit in

1090
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: the preseason Okay, that's a very fair point. And you

1091
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: wanted to see more of a sample size before you

1092
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:05,839
Speaker 1: determine if it's a trend. And yes, it's becomes someone

1093
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 1: of a trend. So if you want to get on

1094
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: it for the preseason and hasn't been corrected since then,

1095
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: that I'm fine. I don't like you remember it being

1096
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: an overwhelming issue at Duke. All right, we've got three

1097
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: more callers. Let's get to them and we'll give you

1098
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 1: guys all the time you need and then we'll say goodbye.

1099
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: Lett in Columbia, Maryland. I know Len's not happy today.

1100
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:25,959
Speaker 1: What's up, buddy? Oh another wonderful day at medlife boy?

1101
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: And you know what, you have to sit through the

1102
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 1: rain in that to Land stinks. I feel for you,

1103
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 1: just awful. I'll tell you I felt like when I

1104
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 1: walked out of the stadium, I felt like I just

1105
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 1: stepped out of a swimming pool. I can imagine on

1106
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:45,359
Speaker 1: the Tate slant. Yeah, um, I don't. I don't care

1107
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 1: how you explain it, how coach explained it. It really

1108
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 1: didn't look good. No, it didn't look good. I agree

1109
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: with you. That's uh. It really didn't look good given

1110
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: the circumstances and where you're playing, and how the season's going,

1111
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 1: and how many games you missed at the beginning. I mean,

1112
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:02,919
Speaker 1: it's just it just didn't look like a right. Um.

1113
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: You know, John, you made a comment about, you know,

1114
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: warning the fans not to be wary of any team

1115
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 1: we play. Um, there's only one reason to do that, John.

1116
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:17,479
Speaker 1: We we simply aren't very good. I mean, we can't

1117
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 1: go into any game not being wary. I mean, we

1118
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 1: just we just aren't very good. Might not? You're right,

1119
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 1: and you're right right now. The team has to play

1120
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: well to beat any team in the league. So you

1121
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: have to come in and bring your a game every week.

1122
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 1: You just do. Yeah, Lance, I don't think you have

1123
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 1: the answer to this question, but I'm gonna put you

1124
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 1: on the spot anyway. Um, you did a great job

1125
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 1: in the post game yesterday, you know, opening up to

1126
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: show him the post game talking about all of the

1127
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: negatives that Arizona brought into the game, right down to

1128
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: how many catchers tight ends had made against Arizona. And

1129
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: it was quite a litany of things. And I appreciate

1130
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: you doing that, And it really was a kind of

1131
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: a a damning statement about the Arizona Cardinals and how

1132
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: they've been playing this year. So if that's question generally

1133
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 1: that I want to ask, and it's really not for

1134
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:11,359
Speaker 1: you to answer it, Lan, I just want to ask

1135
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:16,399
Speaker 1: this question, how do you fall behind to this team?

1136
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 1: How do you fall behind to the to this team

1137
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: seventeen to nothing in the first uh twenty one to

1138
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 1: nothing in the first seventeen minutes of the game. I mean,

1139
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 1: I mean you got, yeah, you got a team, got

1140
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: on a plane and try. I mean, you know the

1141
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: whole thing about coming east and uh, you know, you

1142
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 1: got the elements and how do you how do you

1143
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: fall behind like that? John Lance? Can you give me

1144
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,359
Speaker 1: turn it over? A sort of reasonable explanation to turn

1145
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 1: it over? Yeah, I mean the turnovers is one The

1146
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 1: inability to stop the Arizona Cardinals running game, I think

1147
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: is the biggest reason. How do you think they built

1148
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:52,359
Speaker 1: that lead? Chase Edmonds had two huge runs to put

1149
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 1: them up fourteen nothing in the blink even eye after

1150
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:56,800
Speaker 1: the Giants pumped it in between. So I mean, I

1151
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:59,959
Speaker 1: think it's crystal clear why they fell behind in that lead.

1152
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,439
Speaker 1: And I also think and I actually I asked Carl

1153
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: Banks this question on the post game show, and you know,

1154
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 1: he mentioned that they were moving Patrick Peterson around, and

1155
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:11,240
Speaker 1: I think they were, But I think Peterson's presence changes

1156
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,359
Speaker 1: the dynamics lend of a Cardinals defense that, yes, I

1157
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 1: did point out statistically had struggled, but they statistically struggled

1158
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: without an eight time Pro Bowl corner. If I then

1159
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: bring back a guy into the equation, if I'm Vans Joseph,

1160
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: You're gonna tell me my defensive scheme doesn't change a

1161
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 1: little bit because I go from playing Byron Murphy, a

1162
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 1: rookie corner opposite you know, another young safety and Deonte Thompson,

1163
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: and I bring Patrick Peterson in. Now I could get creative.

1164
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: Now if I want, I take Peterson, I put him

1165
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:42,839
Speaker 1: on a wide receiver. I could double Evan Ingram and

1166
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 1: help out with the tight end compared to what I

1167
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 1: was unable to do when I was going up against

1168
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: Austin Hooper the previous week with the Falcons and will

1169
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 1: dis Lee with the Seahawks. So that can't be dismissed either.

1170
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 1: They saw different Arizona defense. I don't want to make

1171
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 1: it sound like Arizona, you know, woke up and and

1172
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 1: solve their football issue. But Patrick Peterson to completely overlook

1173
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 1: the fact that he did not help the defense yesterday.

1174
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 1: I also think his naive let me let me throw

1175
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 1: out of thank you, let me throw out, let me

1176
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 1: throw out a possible idea here, Total lack of preparation,

1177
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: total lack of motivation. They weren't ready to start this

1178
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: game yet. Well, but why do you feel that I

1179
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: got the feeling they thought they were gonna show throw

1180
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 1: a piece of their equipment out on the field and

1181
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 1: Arizona was just going to collapse on him. Play the game, Lance,

1182
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 1: Tracy Edmonds, he's smaller than Yeah, well, Tracy Edmonds maybe

1183
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 1: smaller too. I don't know what, Tracy Edmonds, but I

1184
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: get your point in terms of Chase Edmonds. You're right,

1185
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 1: he's a smaller back. But here's the thing. If you

1186
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,359
Speaker 1: get good blocking len most backs are going to take

1187
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 1: advantage of those holes. And keep in mind, Chase Edmonds

1188
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: was also averaging over six yards of carry coming into

1189
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: the game. It was a small sample size, but it

1190
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,399
Speaker 1: was no slout. She was effective when they utilized him,

1191
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: and a big part of their offense is to get

1192
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,399
Speaker 1: two running backs on the field for the sake of misdirection.

1193
00:55:57,680 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 1: And that's why they were fully confident in resting David

1194
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,800
Speaker 1: Johnson because they knew what Chase Edmonds brought to the table.

1195
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: But Lynn, I want to ask you a follow up question.

1196
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 1: When you point to the lack of preparation, the lack

1197
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 1: of effort, what did you see yesterday? Because I don't

1198
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 1: buy into that. I don't think it was the ten

1199
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: day layoff. I don't think the guys did weren't motivated

1200
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 1: to play. What did you see? Why do you believe that?

1201
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: I'm just curious. Why do you think that that was

1202
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,720
Speaker 1: the reason why they lost to the Cardinals yesterday. We

1203
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:25,839
Speaker 1: could we could go we could go back to the

1204
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 1: tape and maybe prove Joe from pennsylvania're wrong. But I

1205
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 1: think all three of those runs he went in untouched. Well, well,

1206
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: the first one I mean was definitely the other the

1207
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 1: other two ants one at three runs of twenty or

1208
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 1: more yards for touchdowns from Tracy Edmonds. I don't care.

1209
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,360
Speaker 1: What are the averaging and watch the defensive backs on

1210
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,800
Speaker 1: those places. Watch DeAndre on a couple of those plays.

1211
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 1: Just watch DeAndre. He got blocked. Okay, he got blocked.

1212
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 1: Lack of I'm calling him out. I'm calling him out

1213
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 1: right now, lack of effort, your stick your nose in

1214
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:11,320
Speaker 1: the play, stick your nose in the play, make a play.

1215
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:14,240
Speaker 1: It looks like it's not in his job description. Run

1216
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 1: protection is not in DeAndre Baker's job description. Thank you.

1217
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 1: I mean let me, let me. Can I say one

1218
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: more things, real quick, real quick? With the kind of

1219
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 1: quarterback for whatever the reason, whatever the reasons are, for

1220
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 1: the kind of quarterback production we got yesterday, we can't

1221
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: win a game. It was give me all the reason,

1222
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 1: all the reasons why it occurred. I'm not blaming. I'm

1223
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 1: not blaming Daniel. You can't look at that production and

1224
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: think you can win a football game, Lenn, I will

1225
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:49,959
Speaker 1: say this, and thank you for the call. I think

1226
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 1: I will say this. If your quarterback turns it over

1227
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 1: three times and throws the two twenty yards and get

1228
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: sactic times, I think it's probably hard to win a game.

1229
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 1: I think that's fair, straightforward. I think that's very fair.

1230
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 1: And again, that doesn't mean all those things are the

1231
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 1: quarterbacks fall. This is production is dependent on a lot

1232
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 1: of other people playing well. And you know, one of

1233
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 1: the things that we mentioned is also that running game

1234
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 1: has not really returned to form even with say Kwan

1235
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 1: Barkley back, and I think part of it maybe is

1236
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 1: okay well, but I think there were opportunities to perhaps,

1237
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 1: you know, with him coming back, and Wayne Goldman wasn't

1238
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 1: utilized much was I'm actually surprised nobody asked much of

1239
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 1: Pat Schirmer today about you know, Wayne Goldman and his usage.

1240
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 1: I thought maybe we'd see a little bit more of

1241
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 1: him as a receiver John because he was very effective

1242
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 1: since he played. I guess I'm looking at it between

1243
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 1: the receiving game with the running backs and the ground attack.

1244
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 1: I think the Giants at least hope that they could

1245
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 1: get back to what the Cowboys game and the Bills

1246
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 1: game produced on the ground, which we haven't really seen

1247
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 1: consistently since then. Redskins game, I would throw in there too,

1248
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:00,120
Speaker 1: because they did run the ball. Even would say one

1249
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 1: Barkley out of that game. But you know that, to me,

1250
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 1: is is the way you help out a quarterback so

1251
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 1: you don't have to rely just on him airing it

1252
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 1: down the field. Robin in Atlantis up next? Hey Robin, Hey,

1253
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 1: how are you doing? Jon Lanes? What's up? No, no

1254
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 1: problem that you're calling? What's up? I got I got

1255
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 1: a couple of thing, man, Um, I think uh that,

1256
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 1: I think he needs to give up a play caller.

1257
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 1: That doesn't work when the head coach after coach and

1258
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 1: do play callers. We got an offensive coordinator, we should

1259
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 1: leave that for him. Plus I got another thing, Um,

1260
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 1: it was this happened like I think it might have

1261
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 1: been right after we played the Books and drewing that week,

1262
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 1: going up to them to the next game. I think, Um,

1263
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 1: Pat Sherman, I don't know if anybody, you know, anybody

1264
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 1: said anything, but I know past Jon Mask said he

1265
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 1: was in the press conference and yes said, um, Daniel Jones.

1266
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 1: And I'm not knocking Dannil Jones. I think he's gonna

1267
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 1: be a great quarterback for us. I know he has

1268
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 1: said that, uh, Daniel Jones and did something. You know,

1269
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 1: I don't really like when a head coach has to

1270
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 1: say something like that, you're the head coach, you're actually

1271
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 1: supposed to be a smart This guy in the building, Yes,

1272
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 1: said Daniel Jones is the smartest guy in the building.

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Speaker 1: He's actually smarter than me. I don't know if you

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Speaker 1: guys can remember him saying that. Yeah, he's been extremely complimentary.

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Speaker 1: Robin I think that's just a coach saying things that

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Speaker 1: you know, you know, just trying to be commented with

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Speaker 1: the player. I don't think he's Look, if you want

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Speaker 1: to talk about encyclopedic knowledge of football, Pat Sheremer's smarter

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Speaker 1: football guy than Daniel Jones has been doing it for

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Speaker 1: thirty more years. I think he's seen slightly a little

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Speaker 1: bit more football, you know what I mean? Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: that's uh. You know, you can't have like a head

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Speaker 1: coach saying you know, you're supposed to be pretty much

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Speaker 1: the smartest guy. Yeah. Well, but Robert, I think you're

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Speaker 1: reading too much into the phrase, I guess is what

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Speaker 1: we're saying. He was complementary of him, and some of

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Speaker 1: those things are said with slight, hyperbolean exaggeration to just

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Speaker 1: display how impressed he's been with him, even though he's

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Speaker 1: still a relatively young quarterback. I don't think if you

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Speaker 1: truly had a heart to heart conversation with Pat Shermer,

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Speaker 1: he was admitting Daniel Jones knows more about football than

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Speaker 1: he does at this stage in his career. Once again,

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Speaker 1: I think you're reading way too much into that statement. Okay,

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Speaker 1: maybe maybe maybe I am, but you know, I don't.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's my my opinion though, but you know

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Speaker 1: I shouldn't. I want to hear that coming from you know,

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Speaker 1: our head coach. You know, I gotta I mean, once again,

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think it was a negative reflection

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Speaker 1: on Pat Urmer. And appreciate the phone call, thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for you got it. I think once again he

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Speaker 1: was asked a question about and he's been asked about

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Speaker 1: this constantly. You know, does your feelings of Daniel Jones?

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Speaker 1: Does your confidence in him change given his recent struggles

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01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 1: in terms of ball security? And once again, Pat Shermer

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Speaker 1: has always said he's a fighter, he's battling. I like

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Speaker 1: what I'm seeing. We've just got to get better. And

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Speaker 1: one of his answers to that, I distinctly remember it

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Speaker 1: being how he's an extremely intelligent, smart guy and he's

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Speaker 1: the smartest guy in the room. And once again, that

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Speaker 1: was not Shermer taking a knock at himself from a

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Speaker 1: realistic standpoint, It was just being complimentary of his quarterback

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Speaker 1: and saying that he's got a strong head on his shoulders,

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Speaker 1: even though perhaps things are not always going his way.

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Speaker 1: All right, I want to just go back to our

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Speaker 1: first call very quickly, and I apologize for going along

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Speaker 1: can mathematics. I did some. I'll tell you it's always

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Speaker 1: impressive how you can balance hosting a show co hosting

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Speaker 1: a show, I should say, or let's not give you

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Speaker 1: full credit. And also I'm carrying well, you know, listen,

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Speaker 1: I put a lot of weight on my co host shoulders.

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Speaker 1: So maybe we'll give you some slight credit. But go ahead, yes, um,

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Speaker 1: just talking about and I'll get to play action stuff

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Speaker 1: in a second. But I'll throw this at you in

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Speaker 1: terms of shotgun and being under center, and this is

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Speaker 1: kind of what I referenced under center, Daniel Jones is

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Speaker 1: twenty two attempts complete only eleven passes, six yards and

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Speaker 1: two interceptions, sack three times shotgun one fifty three six touchdowns,

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Speaker 1: five interceptions, UM six point eight yards per attempt, and

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Speaker 1: under sent you was just four point four yards per attempt.

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Speaker 1: So he's performed much better under shotgun then he has

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Speaker 1: under center, and I believe doing my quick math here,

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Speaker 1: he actually has a higher sack rate under center than

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Speaker 1: he has in shotgun. He's been sacked fifteen times at

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Speaker 1: a hundred fifty three attempts at a shotgun which is

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Speaker 1: about ten percent. Right, I'm doing my quick math. Three

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Speaker 1: sacks and twenty two attempts under center, which is one

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Speaker 1: of every seven. So which is best? Why like eightent

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Speaker 1: diff takes something like that some sixteen. But so he

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Speaker 1: actually has a higher sack rate under center than he

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Speaker 1: has under shotguns. So while yes, based on the success

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Speaker 1: end of last year, you want under center more for now,

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Speaker 1: at least Daniel Jones has performed better under at a

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Speaker 1: shotgun than he has under center. You said, what he

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Speaker 1: had five interceptions out of shotgun though, Yeah, but but, but,

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Speaker 1: but you have to take it the consideration of the

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Speaker 1: past attempts. Five interceptions in a hundred fifty three attempts

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Speaker 1: versus two interceptions and two attempts, much smaller sample size

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Speaker 1: on the center, and a much smaller interception percentage. It's

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Speaker 1: a relative to the amount of pass attempts. It's not

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Speaker 1: the volume just alone. So I'm trying to find I'm

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Speaker 1: looking for play action percentage, Joe, Okay, I do have

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Speaker 1: that here. Let me look at up really quick for you.

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Speaker 1: In terms of play action percentage, this year, the Giants

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Speaker 1: are ranked twenty one. Osh, I gotta check the play

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Speaker 1: action button. To make that actually work and makes sense. Um,

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01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 1: the Giants have run play action this year on twenty

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Speaker 1: three point four percent of their passes the league averages,

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Speaker 1: so they're just one off the league average. If I

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01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 1: take out Eli mannings two weeks, so if I start

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01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 1: in week three, I can tell you where they sit.

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Speaker 1: They stand same exact spot in the league, just three

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Speaker 1: percent off the league average. So they're right right about

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Speaker 1: the same spot. And Jones out of play action though,

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Speaker 1: five touchdown quarterback rating, which goes back to my point

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Speaker 1: about the running game. You only are effective in play

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Speaker 1: action if you established the run. Believe it or not.

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Speaker 1: Analytics say that's not true. Why what are the analytics

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Speaker 1: point to? They say, effectiveness of play action remains the

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Speaker 1: same within games throughout the course of entire season, regardless

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Speaker 1: of how effective your running game is. And logically it

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Speaker 1: doesn't make sense. Doesn't make sense to make. The theory

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Speaker 1: that they have is that these guys and I apologizically

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01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:43,439
Speaker 1: McKenzie know we're killing you. Uh. The defensive players are

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Speaker 1: so ingrained from when they stepped onto the field for

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Speaker 1: the first time that you have to stop the run first,

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Speaker 1: that they always bite for that. Correct. Now, in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: I do believe there's a different mentality once another team

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Speaker 1: is either having no access against you running it or

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Speaker 1: a lot of success or you have, you know, even

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Speaker 1: a Saquon Barkley versus John Hilliman. I, in my heart

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Speaker 1: of arts do believe just from a mental approach standpoint,

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Speaker 1: I've talked to enough defensive players in my you know,

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Speaker 1: thirteen seasons working here for the Giants, I do think

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Speaker 1: mentally for players there's a difference. Does it result in

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Speaker 1: a tangible result on the field. The numbers say no,

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Speaker 1: They're a way to pars those numbers obviously, but look

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Speaker 1: the Giants. What I like to see the more play action. Sure,

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Speaker 1: but I do think also having a big deficit does

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Speaker 1: hurt play action because if you're down twenty one, the

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Speaker 1: other team is not gonna be worried about you because

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Speaker 1: they know you can't run the football. I mean, game

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Speaker 1: flow for that to me is much more important than

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Speaker 1: the effectiveness of the run. That's fair. I mean I

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Speaker 1: also go back to just real quickly Cowboys Egos game

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Speaker 1: last night. Zeke was running the ball effectively and that

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Speaker 1: great play call that they had on the goal line

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Speaker 1: essentially where the Eagles literally completely all ran to the

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Speaker 1: right and Blake Jarwin couldn't have been more wide open

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys tight end. How funny was that Helm Hichaels

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Speaker 1: lined did he know what? He said? That that may

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Speaker 1: have been the most wide open player in NFL history

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Speaker 1: or something that. Yeah, I don't blame him, I think,

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01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 1: but I guess what when I'm pointing at is Zeke

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Speaker 1: being out on the field though his presence is a

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01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:13,920
Speaker 1: big part of selling that play? I agree with it,

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. No, and I think you're right,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, could you maybe do a little bit play action? Sure?

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Speaker 1: But I think the shotgun on the center thing. Last year,

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Speaker 1: Eli was a better player under center than he was

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Speaker 1: under shotgun. Jones has not been so far this season,

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Speaker 1: and again, I think that probably goes back to the

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Speaker 1: fact that he was in shock gun a lot more Underduke.

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Speaker 1: But Ron your point in the first call, let us

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Speaker 1: wrap it up all the way you go see it.

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Speaker 1: Show comes full circle. It's a thing of beauty and

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