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Speaker 1: Ebrason strike for my voice over work. Yeah, it's gonna say.

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Speaker 1: Can you're starting? She was in the hallway shouting no justice,

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Speaker 2: Well, hey, you guys are right there at ground zero.

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Speaker 2: But of course the big news is everything reversed when

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Speaker 1: Serious felony in California.

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Speaker 1: These Democrats switch sides on a bill that's going to

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Speaker 1: put these child trafficking perverts in prison longer. This is

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Speaker 4: Hey, it's good to be here.

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Speaker 1: Hey, yeah, Well how about that reversal? Huh.

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Speaker 4: Well, the cries of decency have broken through the barriers

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Speaker 4: Yeah, for four weeks, so so there'll be no toxic

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Speaker 4: Children, shameful, shampel and embarrassing. I'm so so disheartened by that.

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Speaker 1: What kind of what kind of a woman would do

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Speaker 1: And her husband wants to her husband wants to be governor,

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Speaker 4: Definitely didn't help that effort, that's for sure. I don't

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Speaker 2: All Right, Tom, thank you so much for coming back

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Speaker 1: Yeah, good work.

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Speaker 4: Well, thank you for allowing me to share this positive

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Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, it's a good Yes.

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Speaker 2: Assemblyman Tom Lackey, Republican on the Assembly Public Safety Committee.

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Speaker 2: Of course, he's voted all along for this bill that

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Speaker 1: This every day. But why why do we have to

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Speaker 2: This Democratic Majority leader Isaac Bryan, he moved to waive

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Speaker 1: He was one of the extensions. I don't really understand that.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: One of the hacks on the Assembly Public Safety community.

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Speaker 2: Was that did he beat some people up in the Assembly?

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Speaker 1: You would think how about calling his Attorney general, who

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Speaker 2: The California Assembly Democrats were on Twitter before all this happened,

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Speaker 2: So the bill now goes to the Assembly Appropriations Committee,

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Speaker 1: A four week recess.

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Speaker 2: Today we'll have Shannon Grove, the state Senator from Bakersfield,

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Speaker 1: But again, the bill is alive.

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Speaker 2: Send a Bill fourteen to punish the sex traffickers more harshly.

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Speaker 2: That's the one that would punish child sex traffickers with

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Speaker 1: Good work for those of you who called whoever you called,

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Speaker 1: exactly how many viewers every night for every show tune in,

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Speaker 1: so they know who's watching. The writers and the actors.

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Speaker 1: What they want is a third party to audit the

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Speaker 1: ratings and report back to the unions how many people

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Speaker 1: are watching so we can you can create some kind

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Speaker 1: of pays payscale to answer the question that you brought up.

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Speaker 1: You know, are a lot of people watching or not,

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Speaker 1: but the economic model is a little different. I mean,

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Speaker 1: some of this streaming services do have ads, but most

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Speaker 1: of them don't. Many people stream because they don't want

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Speaker 1: to see the ads. So, well, how do you if

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Speaker 1: you think you're the pay there from the fact that

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Speaker 1: the revenue is different because it's just coming from like

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Speaker 1: monthly streaming fees. Well, this is the other part that

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Speaker 1: these stupid streaming companies botched up. They way way overpaid

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Speaker 1: with mega production deals. Oh they did see Netflix. They

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Speaker 1: went crazy and they started producing hundreds of shows. Do

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Speaker 1: you know how many shows were being produced in lay

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Speaker 1: by LA networks and streamers in the last season, five

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Speaker 1: hundred and ninety nine, five hundred and ninety nine separate

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Speaker 1: entertainment productions. Is that astonishing? It used to be between

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Speaker 1: one and two hundred, now it's five hundred and ninety nine. Well,

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Speaker 1: there aren't enough eyeballs for five hundred and ninety nine.

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Speaker 1: They made too many shows and they paid too much

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Speaker 1: money for them shows. And then they're claiming, oh, get

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Speaker 1: make money well, well, manage your business properly. Because the

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Speaker 1: writers and the actors are doing the work, they're supposed

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Speaker 1: to get paid for the work. Yeah, I'm just saying

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Speaker 1: things were simpler.

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Speaker 2: Let's say, you know, in the old days of just

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Speaker 2: the networks pretty much you had a show like Friends,

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Speaker 2: which had big ratings, as you said.

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Speaker 1: So that you could attach big advertiser money to that.

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Speaker 2: You don't really, you can't really do that under this

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Speaker 2: economic model, right, Even if they have a show that's popular, how.

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Speaker 1: Do they turn around and collect enough money to cover

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Speaker 1: its popularity. I think they know which shows bringing the subscribers,

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Speaker 1: and I think that's because they'll keep them right right,

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Speaker 1: They'll keep them right And what they've also.

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Speaker 2: Been trying to do is choke each other out. We

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Speaker 2: saw this in the ride share business too. The streaming

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Speaker 2: services are just like you said, spending a lot of

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Speaker 2: money trying to get great entertainment to grab all the

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Speaker 2: eyeballs and hopefully snuff out some of their competition.

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Speaker 1: Get the other streamers will just give up. Yeah, well

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Speaker 1: they want to. They want to expand their market share

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Speaker 1: and elbow everybody else out of the way. Look. Look,

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Speaker 1: the journalism industry newspapers and magazines they never adjusted to

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Speaker 1: the internet. They were giving away all their journalism for

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Speaker 1: free for many years. And what did that do. They

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Speaker 1: made no money from all the eyeballs they got on

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Speaker 1: computer screens, and they lost all their print customers because

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Speaker 1: why would you pay for print if you were getting

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Speaker 1: it for free online? And how many newspapers and magazines

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Speaker 1: went out of business, how many of them went bankrupt

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Speaker 1: because of that, And they've never really caught up since,

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Speaker 1: you know, to some extent. Radio has done it with podcasts,

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Speaker 1: given away the product on podcasts, making it making it

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Speaker 1: easy for people to listen, and they've had trouble selling

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Speaker 1: advertising on podcasts. It's changing now, but at the beginning,

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Speaker 1: there was no money in it. There was no money

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Speaker 1: in online journalism. There's no profit in streaming. There was

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Speaker 1: billions of dollars of profit in broadcasting cable television billions.

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Speaker 1: So what they did is they they went and whole

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Speaker 1: hog on streaming without figuring out a business model to

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Speaker 1: be profitable. And then you know when and they keep

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Speaker 1: all these secrets. That's the thing. There are hit shows,

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Speaker 1: there's huge hit shows that are probably getting tens of

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Speaker 1: millions of people watching. They don't want to tell because

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Speaker 1: if they tell, then the writers and the actors are

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Speaker 1: going to rightly say, hey, we want a piece of this.

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Speaker 1: This is the reason people are paying a subscription. There's

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Speaker 1: got it monthly, there's got to be they know which

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Speaker 1: shows I mean they're charging What are they charge on

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Speaker 1: Netflix now, like seventeen ninety nine a month or no,

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Speaker 1: it's nineteen ninety nine month. Okay, all right, people are

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Speaker 1: paying nineteen ninety nine a month. What's that's over two

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty dollars a year. There's a reason that

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Speaker 1: they're paying that much money. There's shows they like. So

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Speaker 1: which are the shows that they like? Which are the

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Speaker 1: shows that they're watching maybe repeat watching binging on? They know?

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Speaker 1: They don't want to.

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Speaker 2: Tell and also lurking in this by the way, they

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Speaker 2: reached a deal with the directors, but they have not

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Speaker 2: with the actors and the writers. Is the whole artificial

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Speaker 2: intelligence thing, because that's what's the problem is for the

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Speaker 2: writers that eventually, if that takes a hold in the

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Speaker 2: in the industry and you can start having algorithms and bots,

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Speaker 2: oh push out scripts, Why do you need the writers

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Speaker 2: to be paid that much?

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Speaker 1: All right? I read one writer talk about this. Let's

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Speaker 1: say guy writes detective shows right now. Well, if all

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Speaker 1: those scripts or all those summaries are on the internet,

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Speaker 1: because all AI does is it scans the Internet very

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Speaker 1: quickly and it gives you an amalgamation of what they discovered.

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Speaker 1: So he goes, So I'm going to write all these

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Speaker 1: scripts and then the AI machine is going to scan

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Speaker 1: the Internet and give me back what I already wrote.

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Speaker 1: I will end up replacing myself and not getting paid

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Speaker 1: for it. Well, all right, we'll talk more when we

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Speaker 1: come back.

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Speaker 2: Johnny Ken caf I AM six point forty live everywhere

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Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 5: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI

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Speaker 5: AM six forty.

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Speaker 2: Well, what next bad thing can happen to the four

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Speaker 2: people in Rolling Hills Estates whose homes are collapsing down

545
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Speaker 2: into the canyon. People could steal from them. They have

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Speaker 2: arrested several people for looting the homes that were evacuated

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Speaker 2: because they're shaky and maybe collapsing. So we'll talk to

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Speaker 2: Steve gregriefrom KFI News after two o'clock and again the

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Speaker 2: big story. Senate Bill fourteen has been approved by an

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Speaker 2: Assembly public Safety Committee. That's the one that would punish

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Speaker 2: these child sex traffickers much more severely. It was a

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Speaker 2: big turnaround at everything in the last I think Tuesday

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Speaker 2: is when they blocked it.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday it was a lot of.

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Speaker 2: Coverage, and then today I went back to the Public

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Speaker 2: Safety Committee and what do you know, all but two

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Speaker 2: Democrats voted for the bill to.

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Speaker 1: Advance it to its next step.

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Speaker 2: So we'll talk to State Senator Shannon Grove after the

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Speaker 2: news at three ozer clock. We were just talking about,

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Speaker 2: of course, the writers and the actors. At midnight, the

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Speaker 2: actors are walking out in Hollywood. I'm sure I would

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Speaker 2: imagine there's still a lot of productions already in the can.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this will halt whatever they're doing right now,

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Speaker 2: but I guess the studios have plenty of material for

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Speaker 2: people to sit there and stream for a long time

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Speaker 2: before things get really ugly. But this could go on

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Speaker 2: for several months. One of the topics that they had

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Speaker 2: to fight over is artificial intelligence. Could that take over

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Speaker 2: some of the writing aspects of movies and TV and

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Speaker 2: all your streaming stuff. Well, let's go to an expert

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Speaker 2: on AI. We just found this out yesterday, John I

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Speaker 2: don't know if you knew this, but Kamala Harris had

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Speaker 2: some things to say about artificial intelligence, and I think

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Speaker 2: they're worth hearing.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's one of the responsibilities that Biden recently gave her.

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Speaker 1: Is that right that she was, Yeah, that's how I feel. No, no,

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Speaker 1: I'm not making this up. The administration said that she

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Speaker 1: is going to be the point person as the White

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Speaker 1: House figures out if there should be any kind of

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Speaker 1: federal policy regulating AI. Not a joke, it's not a joke. Really,

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Speaker 1: they picked Kamla Harris. Well, let's listen.

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Speaker 3: And I think the first part of this issue that

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Speaker 3: should be articulated is AI is kind of a fancy thing.

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Speaker 3: It's first of all, it's two letters. It means artificial intelligence.

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Speaker 3: But ultimately what it is is it's about machine learning,

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Speaker 3: and so the machine is taught. And part of the

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Speaker 3: issue here is what information is going into the machine

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Speaker 3: that will then determine and we can predict then if

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Speaker 3: we think about what information is going in, what then

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Speaker 3: will be produced in terms of decisions and opinions that

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Speaker 3: may be made through that process. So to reduce it

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Speaker 3: down to its most simple point, this is part of

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Speaker 3: the issue that we have here is thinking about what

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Speaker 3: is going into a decision and then whether that decision

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Speaker 3: is actually legitimate and reflective of the needs and the

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Speaker 3: life experiences of all people. And therefore, a big part

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Speaker 3: of what we will also discuss then is the transparency

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Speaker 3: in terms of the processes through which AI actually is

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Speaker 3: having an impact on decision. We understand the technology, do

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Speaker 3: we know what is going into the decisions that are

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Speaker 3: being made. So this is a very multifacet issue and topic.

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Speaker 3: And we also know that this is technology that is

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Speaker 3: rapidly developing, and so part of the common purpose that

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Speaker 3: we have.

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Speaker 1: As a urgency, Oh my gosh, there was still twenty

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Speaker 1: seconds left. Wait, there's twenty more seconds. About enjoying it.

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Speaker 1: I'll keep going.

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Speaker 3: And so part of the common purpose that we have

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Speaker 3: is a sense of urgency that we get in front

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Speaker 3: of this issue in terms of understanding the implications so

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Speaker 3: that we can work as a community of folks, private sector,

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Speaker 3: public sector, nonprofits, government to do what is in the

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Speaker 3: best interest getting the health and safety and well being

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Speaker 3: of the people of our country.

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Speaker 1: I'm about to get That's how I think about this.

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Speaker 1: I said to wrap it up at that last Holy pooh,

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Speaker 1: that was almost two minutes.

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Speaker 2: Remind you of just some corporate spokes hack who just

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Speaker 2: talks in circles to tell people to go away.

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Speaker 1: And I want to talk about this. If we were

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Speaker 1: in a rational world, somebody in that room would have

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Speaker 1: stood up and said, you are making no sense, like

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Speaker 1: just start screaming it. I don't know what the hell

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Speaker 1: you're talking about, and you don't know what you're talking about.

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Speaker 1: Why can't somebody do that? Why would be that such

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Speaker 1: a terrible thing for somebody to say, you're you're you're

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Speaker 1: a battling idiot.

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Speaker 2: I mean, let's just take one part of one sentence.

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Speaker 2: Part of the issue that we have here is thinking

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Speaker 2: about what is going into a decision, and then whether

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Speaker 2: that decision is actually legitimate and reflective of the needs

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Speaker 2: and the life experiences of all the people.

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Speaker 1: I looked at it twice.

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Speaker 2: Because I said, she's talking about the decision that the

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Speaker 2: AI makes the machine.

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Speaker 1: Is that what she's talking about? I don't know. You

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Speaker 1: shouldn't have to ask when someone speaks, it should be clear.

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Speaker 1: You shouldn't have to ask, well, what is she talking

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Speaker 1: about here? What does she mean? She is a master

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Speaker 1: generic babble?

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Speaker 2: I like though she had to get the word transparent

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Speaker 2: in there, just because government officials love to say we're

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Speaker 2: gonna be we've gotta be transparent about this.

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Speaker 1: There was no equity word what happened? No, Hey, I

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Speaker 1: should be equity equitable. She spoke for two minutes, didn't

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Speaker 1: utter the word equity or diversity.

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Speaker 2: All right, when we come back, we're going to get

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Speaker 2: an update of sorts on what's been going on in

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Speaker 2: Rolling Hills Estates with the collapsing homes down into the canyon.

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Speaker 2: Steve Gregory will join us. There have been some arrests made.

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Speaker 2: Have they arrested the people responsible for the homes collapsing in?

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Speaker 2: How about the good old word looting? Johnny Ken, CAFI

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Speaker 2: AM six forty Live everywhere, iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 1: And Jebra Mark Laid in the twenty four hour Cafe Newsroom.

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Speaker 2: Hey, you've been listening to the John and Ken Show.

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Speaker 2: You can always hear us live on KFI AM six

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Speaker 2: forty one pm to four pm every Monday through Friday,

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Speaker 2: and of course anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app