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Speaker 1: can download the iHeartRadio app that a guy on Monday

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Speaker 1: at the CIA World Congress of Sport at the bar

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Speaker 1: he said, Hey, I've listened on the iHeartRadio app. He

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Speaker 1: was from Chicago, probably listening right now. Appreciate him into

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Speaker 1: sports marketing universe and a lot of you out there

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Speaker 1: listening on podcasts five hundred and fifty plus AM FM

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Speaker 1: stations and also on so many different ways including the

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app. And we bring in now doctor Larry Arn

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Speaker 1: of Hillsdale College, and speaking of ways to get your

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Speaker 1: message out, Hillsdale has been phenomenal at getting the message

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Speaker 1: out about everything that they are doing. And I had

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Speaker 1: the good fortune to get to sit next to doctor

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Speaker 1: Larry Arn at a Seattle, Washington area Hillsdale College event,

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Speaker 1: and I read over the weekend. A great weekend to

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Speaker 1: interview with you, doctor Arne. Given all the controversy surrounding

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Speaker 1: Harvard and federal funding of universities and colleges out there,

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Speaker 1: you had a really good argument. I want to let

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Speaker 1: you make it for our audience. The reason Hillsdale doesn't

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Speaker 1: take federal dollars is to be completely independent. Harvard has

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Speaker 1: fifty three billion dollars in the endowment. Why can't Harvard

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Speaker 1: that Harvard feels possible. That seems like a pretty good

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Speaker 1: case to me, and you guys have done it at Hillsdale.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you very much. You're a sports guy. I

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Speaker 2: really enjoyed talking to you. Then I didn't enjoyed your

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Speaker 2: speech very much. Yeah. So we live in what we

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Speaker 2: think of as a liberal society. That means free, that

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Speaker 2: means a lot of things have to go on in

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Speaker 2: the society so that it can control the government. And

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Speaker 2: if the government in detail manages education, including higher education,

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Speaker 2: then the society loses its independence. And you know, Harvard,

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Speaker 2: But now they've met some rules they don't like, like

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Speaker 2: you know, they're in an interesting spot, aren't they.

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Speaker 1: They're not the only ones either, doctor. I appreciate you

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Speaker 1: being with us. There are a number of schools Plumba University.

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Speaker 1: Trump administration and therefore the federal government on some of

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Speaker 1: these issues. Do you think that their plan is to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's something really bad about that. I mean, first

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Speaker 2: need to decentralize very many things in America. There's way

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Speaker 2: wide diversity of ways. You know, there's like really rich

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Speaker 2: you don't have to have that so comprehensively, and especially

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Speaker 2: affecting something sensitive like education, which is you know where

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Speaker 2: And the definition of that is human and that means

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Speaker 2: Jews and Arabs should both aim for that, and the

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Speaker 1: Doctor Larry arned with us right now, if Hillsdale College,

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Speaker 2: And that's something and you know that has to do

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Speaker 2: They don't want their kids taught that human nature is

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Speaker 2: What we have is the idea that we understand a

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Speaker 2: we have to overcome private property. And what the Nazis

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Speaker 3: It goes away when they go away, and he will

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Speaker 3: go and they don't have anybody that's as charismatic as

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Speaker 3: and he's charismatic. As of taking that away from him,

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Speaker 3: it's a television start. He is, he's charismatic. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I don't agree with him at all on anything, but

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Speaker 3: you know, he was famous from the television show If

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Speaker 3: you're a Democrat, we have to find some people to

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Speaker 3: represent us better, who have a sense of humor and

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Speaker 3: who have a sense of purpose, and you know, we

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Speaker 3: need to put some people out there. There are a

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Speaker 3: couple of guys that a couple of people that I

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Speaker 3: really admire and I think could be I think Wes

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Speaker 3: Moore should be president. I think he's going to be

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Speaker 3: a real force in the next lesson. He's the governor

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Speaker 3: of Maryland.

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Speaker 1: So that answer Buck, he gives Wes Moore some credit,

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Speaker 1: gives him his flowers. But the person that George Clooney

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Speaker 1: is describing there is what they need, I think is

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Speaker 1: George Clooney. I think George Clooney is saying what America

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Speaker 1: really needs is a guy who's a good communicator, has

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Speaker 1: done television and has a sense of humor. And you're

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Speaker 1: supposed to think, oh, well, that's George Clooney, Like George

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Speaker 1: Clooney wants to be drafted to run for president of

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Speaker 1: the United States and basically feel like he is the

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Speaker 1: salvation of the Democrat Party. This is my this is

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Speaker 1: my theory. You're calling a shot way out there and

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Speaker 1: weigh in advance, but it's already bothering me because this

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Speaker 1: would be horrific because he is. You want to talk

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Speaker 1: about overrated, I think George Clooney may be the most

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Speaker 1: overrated person on the planet as an actor, as a

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Speaker 1: as a columnist. For political reasons, you and Trump both

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Speaker 1: have come after George Clooney on the program. Trump sniffed

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Speaker 1: this guy out a long time ago. Clooney is just lucky.

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Speaker 1: He he's the same kind of wooden, boring performance and

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Speaker 1: everything that he's in. I know people say, oh, I

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Speaker 1: like Ocean's Eleven. Yeah, I do too, But do you

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Speaker 1: care if George Clooney is in it? No, you do not.

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Speaker 1: You can replace him with ten other people. Every movie

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Speaker 1: that George Clooney was supposed to carry is is grim

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Speaker 1: and boring, but Hollywood tells you it's great because he's

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Speaker 1: got the right friends at the right you know, right studios,

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Speaker 1: the right publications. I am, I am. You know Clooney

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Speaker 1: is the fauci of Hollywood, all right. The guy's terrible

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Speaker 1: and nobody should think otherwise. But it'd be fun if

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Speaker 1: he ran for president, because then I could focus all

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Speaker 1: of my anti Clooney ire into a concentrated, like long

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Speaker 1: term campaign to explain to everybody that you know, he's

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Speaker 1: just he's just kind of the worst. He's just the

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Speaker 1: worst producer. Ali, by the way, is just Broadway fact

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Speaker 1: checking me like crazy. Over my Here is the headline

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Speaker 1: from the Hollywood Reporter. Good Night and good Luck just

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Speaker 1: hit three point nine million dollars. That is the most

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Speaker 1: money that a Broadway play has ever made in the

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Speaker 1: history of a week, not all time, the most that

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Speaker 1: has ever happened in It eclipsed Othello with Denzel Washington,

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Speaker 1: which made nearly three million the week before. So this

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Speaker 1: news just came out a couple of days ago, but

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Speaker 1: it is legitimately the average ticket price buck three hundred

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Speaker 1: and ten dollars to get in to good night in

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Speaker 1: good luck right now, you know. But making the most money.

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Speaker 1: You know, Pablo Escobar made a lot of money too,

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Speaker 1: But I don't think that he left a good mark

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Speaker 1: on the world. I'm just saying. And it did get

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Speaker 1: hippos to Colombia, he did, there was a population. They

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Speaker 1: did eventually move them back to Africa, I believe, but

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Speaker 1: hippos too. I think they're still there. I think hippos

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Speaker 1: are still there. I thought they were trying to get

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Speaker 1: rid of relocate them. Yes, I I am not not

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Speaker 1: a a fan of judging the merit of any artistic

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Speaker 1: work by the box office goes you know why. You

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Speaker 1: know what, the highest grossing movie of all time is Avatar,

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Speaker 1: which is just Dances with Wolves and fern Gully with

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Speaker 1: blue people and three D. That makes your stomach turn. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Avatar was trash, a trash movie, and everybody one that

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Speaker 1: you got wrong. You came on here and you were like,

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Speaker 1: Avatar two is gonna bomb, and then like a week

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Speaker 1: later it made like a billion dollars. I get it.

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Speaker 1: I went and watched it. I don't disagree with your

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Speaker 1: fern Gully meets Dances with the Wolves. That movie does

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Speaker 1: I don't understand why, but it does unbelievable gross. They're

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Speaker 1: making a third I think no they Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: the third highest box office of all time, of all times,

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Speaker 1: Avatar two. What is wrong with people? Now? What is wrong?

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Speaker 1: To be fair? To be fair? You really have to

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Speaker 1: inflation adjust these things? Because I think I'm correct at

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Speaker 1: Gone with the Wind, which you somehow have never seen,

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Speaker 1: is the highest grossing movie of all times. If I

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Speaker 1: try to watch this with Carrie, I'm just gonna I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna put my marker out there right now. Carrie will

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Speaker 1: last ten minutes before she's out like a light. If

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Speaker 1: we try to watch Dancy, it's gonna get you. She's

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Speaker 1: a savory private ride all now like it has to

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Speaker 1: grip her right away or else she's out. Every woman

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Speaker 1: in America has seen Gone with the Wind except my wife.

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Speaker 1: Apparently she's never seen real. She hasn't seen it. I

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Speaker 1: don't think care. Oh, she's gone now, she's one hundred

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Speaker 1: percent seen Gone with the Wind. I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: I've never seen the sound of music, either, which apparently

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Speaker 1: everybody has seen. I've heard so much about it that

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Speaker 1: I think I have seen it because I know the

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Speaker 1: musical numbers from it. We know Clay is a big

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Speaker 1: musical guy, but I am. I am in shock and

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Speaker 1: dismay right now as I look at the top grossing

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Speaker 1: by the way, the ALLI pulled up. The number one

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Speaker 1: grossing Broadway all in all time is The Lion King,

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Speaker 1: which I respect that. I like the Lion King. That

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Speaker 1: makes sense, I mean, and also those they get on tours, right,

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Speaker 1: So yeah, and it's very family friendly. It's very you know,

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Speaker 1: you can watch The Lion King anywhere in the world

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Speaker 1: and it's gonna appeal to you. It's gonna be cool.

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Speaker 1: The top movies, though, guys, this is this is horror.

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Speaker 1: James Cameron dominates, dominates top movies all time. Avatar, then

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Speaker 1: it's Avengers End Game, don't I can't even produce. If

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Speaker 1: producer Marcus here, he'd be shaking his head at me

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Speaker 1: because I've always I think that these guys single handedly

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Speaker 1: have like destroyed the superhero genre. Yes theyveinger Z Game

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Speaker 1: is really well done. Oh it is. I'm sorry you're

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Speaker 1: on the wrong side of history with that. Take Clas

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Speaker 1: Clays a barbarian. Avatar, The Way of Waters number three,

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Speaker 1: Titanic is number four. I mean okay, and then Star Wars, Avengers,

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Speaker 1: Spider Man, Jurassic World. I love Jurassic Park. As you

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Speaker 1: all know, I'm a big Michael Crichton. Devote Jurassic World garbage.

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Speaker 1: The Lion King number eleven respect here. Here they are

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Speaker 1: by the way you float. Well, let's go to break.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you the inflation adjusted because I think that's

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Speaker 1: one of the ways you have to look at it.

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Speaker 1: But James Cameron not doing poorly there either. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: all right, I agree. I agree with it, James Cameron.

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Speaker 1: This guy makes a lot of money. Why is he

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Speaker 1: welcome back into Clay and Buck. Got some important updates

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Speaker 1: on conversations we've been having today on the show, including

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Speaker 1: I was right play. My wife has never seen Gone

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Speaker 1: with the Wind, would agrees with my assessment that she

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Speaker 1: would rapidly fall asleep because it's probably too slow for

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Speaker 1: her liking. So I would have lost massive amounts of money.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how it's possible, given how often this

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Speaker 1: thing is on TBS to have not seen Gone with

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Speaker 1: the Wind, especially a Southern girl like your like your wife,

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Speaker 1: who grew up in Tallahassee Florida Girl, Florida. All right, sorry,

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Speaker 1: Gone with the Wind, by the way, highest grossing movie

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Speaker 1: adjusted for inflation of all time, then Avatar, then Titanic.

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Speaker 1: So James Cameron has two of the highest grossing movies

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Speaker 1: I would never have believed that Avatar is number two

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Speaker 1: in the history of film. Have you seen some of

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Speaker 1: those after the fact analyzes of Titanic, like if you're

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Speaker 1: really if we just take away, like step away from

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Speaker 1: the whole. Oh, it's a movie, just enjoy Think for

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Speaker 1: a second. So this lady is engaged to this rich

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Speaker 1: guy and she decides to just have a one night

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Speaker 1: stand with some homeless dude who she then lets drift

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Speaker 1: underwater and freeze to death. There was room on that door.

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Speaker 1: We all know it. Like, it's pretty messed up when

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Speaker 1: you actually when you actually dig into this a little bit. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I would think that she would have had,

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Speaker 1: you know, instead of throwing the Golden goblet or whatever

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Speaker 1: the jewel into the water, I think she would have

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Speaker 1: thrown herself into the water. We got a couple of

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Speaker 1: funny talkbacks here, by the way, she should have definitely

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Speaker 1: let Jack up on the float. And the fact that

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Speaker 1: that is the third highest grossing movie of all time,

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Speaker 1: it's pretty incredible. Ben in Denver, Colorado, what you got

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Speaker 1: for us? Cc Hey Clay, I love you, Bud, but

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Speaker 1: I'm a leaf blower guy. Play Clay is having fits

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Speaker 1: right now. I mean, you're you're putting him over the edge.

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Speaker 1: I am very anti leaf blower and Cameron in Miami

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Speaker 1: down in Buckstown, he also wanted to weigh in leaf

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Speaker 1: Blowers United. They hate me. Go Cameron, Hey, Clay, this

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Speaker 1: one's for you. Put on your show. What explliance you're having.

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Speaker 1: Leaf blower guy is going to destroy it. They got

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Speaker 1: to show up. You were yelling about it that he's yelling.

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Speaker 1: Do you like that over his own leaf blower that's aggressive. No,

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't like it at all. And you

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Speaker 1: were just telling me that they ruined the leaf blowing guys,

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Speaker 1: when you're Charles did with your mom hanging out for

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Speaker 1: her birthday. Yeah, Savannah, they came over having a nice,

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Speaker 1: beautiful coffee on the streets of Savannah and leafflower guy

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Speaker 1: comes over right next to us. I was just like

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Speaker 1: pulling leaves out of my teeth instead of drinking my

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Speaker 1: cappuccino like a civilized man. Julie and Salt Lake City,

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Speaker 1: what have you got for us?

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Speaker 2: He claimed about Hey, I just wanted to say.

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Speaker 1: George Clooney got me riled up his comments about Trump.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't remember it exactly what he said,

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Speaker 1: but he implied that it was because.

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Speaker 3: He was elected.

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Speaker 1: We were all duped into voting for him because he

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Speaker 1: was a TV personality and charismatic.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 1: I voted for Trump because he was a successful businessman

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Speaker 1: before that, and I trust him to do well by

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Speaker 1: our country. Okay, we agree, Thank you. That's a very

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Speaker 1: nice call. Nice nice way to end things here. Guys.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back tomorrow. Uncle Bill's gonna be with us.

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Speaker 1: Bill O'Reilly is gonna be exciting,