WEBVTT - Everyone vs ICE: On the Ground In Minnesota, Pt. 2

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<v Speaker 1>Call Zone Media. Hi friends, it's me James, and I

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<v Speaker 1>just wanted to explain as you're listening to this. We

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<v Speaker 1>recorded this around midnight on Friday, after having spent I

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<v Speaker 1>think three days four nights in Minneapolis, and the tone

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<v Speaker 1>of what we recorded here is hopeful. I remain hopeful

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<v Speaker 1>and inspired by the people we met in Minneapolis, and

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<v Speaker 1>I remained so proud of everything they've done. But about

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<v Speaker 1>nine hours after we sent this off to our editors,

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<v Speaker 1>Alex Pretty was killed by two Border Patrol agents, and

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<v Speaker 1>the tone of this would have been different if we

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<v Speaker 1>had recorded after that, And that's just the nature of

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<v Speaker 1>the work we do. But we don't want anything in

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<v Speaker 1>the hopeful tone here to suggest that we don't grieve

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<v Speaker 1>his passing, that we aren't thinking of the people who

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<v Speaker 1>loved him right now, because we understand that they're going

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<v Speaker 1>through a very difficult time. But we still want you

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<v Speaker 1>to learn from what's happening in Minneapolis and from what

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<v Speaker 1>people are doing there, and we hope that you remember

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<v Speaker 1>that as you did through this episode.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that, honestly, those two things that we

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<v Speaker 2>have to balance just as we deal with the state

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<v Speaker 2>of the world is just you know, everyone we talked to.

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<v Speaker 2>This is so present on their minds. Is both an

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<v Speaker 2>awareness of the beauty of the things that they are

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<v Speaker 2>building and also an awareness of the darkness that has

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<v Speaker 2>caused them to need to build these things. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>we hope you enjoy these episodes and are following more

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<v Speaker 2>closely with more current news about what's happening, and are

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<v Speaker 2>talking to the people around you wherever you are about

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<v Speaker 2>how you will keep yourself and your neighbors safe and yep, thank.

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<v Speaker 1>You, Hello, and welcome to cool People could happen here

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<v Speaker 1>it podcast, which is what happens when two podcasts love

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<v Speaker 1>each other and go to Minneapolis to go on a

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<v Speaker 1>trip to Minneapolis in the winter.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, where it is called.

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<v Speaker 1>I am one of your hosts today. My name is

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<v Speaker 1>James Stout and I'm very lucky to be joined by

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<v Speaker 1>my friend Margaret Kiljoy.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, welcome to the thing that we're doing. M should

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<v Speaker 2>we talking about today? We talked last time about some

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<v Speaker 2>rapid response to mutual a and there's more to be

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<v Speaker 2>said about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Today is the twenty third.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's the past for you.

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<v Speaker 1>All, but it's present for us. Yeah, it's amazing how

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<v Speaker 1>podcasting work like that Today was.

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<v Speaker 2>The second realish, real general strike I've been to in

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<v Speaker 2>my life. Yeah, first one was in Oakland during Occupy Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so they pulled off a pretty serious general strike. Thousands

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<v Speaker 2>of US shut down the ports. It was really beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, that was poss today, Lion, I had to

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<v Speaker 1>shut shit down really, with the exception of the Federal building,

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<v Speaker 1>which we will discuss. It's been remarkable. We've been here

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<v Speaker 1>since Tuesday, it's Friday. How just the momentum has grown.

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<v Speaker 1>Like seeing we went past someplace I think it was

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<v Speaker 1>like a place that repaired like electronics of some description.

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<v Speaker 1>They just had a little thing being like, attention, we're

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<v Speaker 1>not opening on Friday. Like yeah, it's these businesses which

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<v Speaker 1>have no reason, you know, like these outward facing reasons too.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's not even businesses which rely on the

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<v Speaker 1>community for business and have to signal the community that

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<v Speaker 1>they're with them, right, it's just people who are being

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<v Speaker 1>like yeah, nah, no, you know, like that seems shut. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>let's we got to do something. Let's all close down

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<v Speaker 1>and go protest. One thing that I was sent and

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<v Speaker 1>share this with you, Margaret, some unkind was a list

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<v Speaker 1>of businesses that were like, yo, we will not be

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<v Speaker 1>participating in like profit making today, but if you need X,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what we do. Come by. Yeah, Like if you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're hungry, if you're cold, if you need a

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<v Speaker 1>cup of coffee, what if you need to bicycle fix

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<v Speaker 1>whatever it is, Like if you want to screenprint abolish

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<v Speaker 1>ice on a shirt? Yeah, swing my, Like we'll just

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<v Speaker 1>be opened up for the community. Comes a high. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Like we don't want your money, we just want your solidarity.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I thought that was cool And.

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<v Speaker 2>On some level it's been happening for a while to

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<v Speaker 2>like to talk about how yesterday we went to power

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<v Speaker 2>our Grounds.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, there is a indigenous own coffee shop called power Ground.

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<v Speaker 2>They're actually worth donating directly too because of their mutual

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<v Speaker 2>aid projects. That will probably be in the list of

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<v Speaker 2>things that we include. And you go in and the

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<v Speaker 2>coffee is free now, and you know, we were like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>we want to pay you for tea, and they were like,

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<v Speaker 2>you can pay us for tea.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And we were able to like put some money

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<v Speaker 1>behind in case someone else came in and needed.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, but the entire space has been taken over by

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<v Speaker 2>a mutual aid organization. Yeah, And it's you know, indigenous run.

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<v Speaker 2>We talked to someone from AIM American Indian Movement yea

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<v Speaker 2>about the work they've been doing there, and you know

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<v Speaker 2>which is that they've been you know, actually just turning

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<v Speaker 2>it into like making sure everyone has everything they need.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>By creating these places that are good to hang out in,

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<v Speaker 2>you make really good rapid response places. Yeah, we we

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<v Speaker 2>you know, this is the first person we heard from

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<v Speaker 2>about just like I was like, how does this work?

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<v Speaker 2>How does the rapid response work? And I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>there's more of us than there are them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, we can keep showing up, like.

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<v Speaker 2>And uh yeah, so like you know, people are people

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<v Speaker 2>are hanging out there and so you know, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's right in a place where Ice likes to fuck

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<v Speaker 2>with people.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well it's like for people who aren't familiar with

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<v Speaker 1>that block, right, Like I've read a lot about AIM.

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<v Speaker 1>It's yeah, I'm interesting like that Franklin Avenue. I believe

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<v Speaker 1>it's where AIM began. Right, Well, that's an understanding with

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<v Speaker 1>Community Watch, which is what's happening now exactly, was doing

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<v Speaker 1>patrols to keep their community safe. Yeah. So it's a

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<v Speaker 1>cool little full circle movement. Yeah, this is a space

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<v Speaker 1>which is obviously designed to like center and protect indigenous folks. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but they were just like, yeah, anyone who's out there

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<v Speaker 1>doing the work, please come by. We got snack packs

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<v Speaker 1>for you because it's we may. We've got four different soups,

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<v Speaker 1>got a vegan soup, we got a gleam free soup.

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<v Speaker 1>Like like, they were more than happy for folks to

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<v Speaker 1>come by.

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<v Speaker 2>Get fed, Yeah, get get warm. Yeah, big a big

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<v Speaker 2>thing here, people, you know, sort of make light of.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, there's the whole quip that Orally works on me,

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<v Speaker 2>which is the like Ice made the classic Nazi mistake

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<v Speaker 2>they invaded a winter people in winter, And that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>But it is exceptionally cold right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like we last night, I think, due to an

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<v Speaker 1>error on my part, were locked out of the place

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<v Speaker 1>we are staying. Yeah, I think it's fairly clear that

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<v Speaker 1>I fucked up there.

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<v Speaker 2>That's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>It becomes a risk to your well being pretty quickly. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>to put it in another way, how cold it is today.

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<v Speaker 1>I took the battery out of Margaret's vehicle and blue

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<v Speaker 1>hot air from a head ryer on it sometime so

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<v Speaker 1>we could try and start it.

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<v Speaker 2>So a jump would work because yeah, a jump wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>work without also heating up for the battery.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the battery didn't have enough coal cranking.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet to get Yeah, despite being a brand new battery.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you need different times for your truck, You need

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<v Speaker 1>different oil field vehicle, You need your battery to be warm. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>People have engine block heaters for gas engines. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>even have a diesel. Okay. So this morning we knew

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<v Speaker 2>as the general strike, we went and got enough supplies

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<v Speaker 2>to have enough food without having to go shopping today.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, we get up and we knew that

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<v Speaker 2>there was going to be a direct action this morning

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<v Speaker 2>at the Whipple building. And the Whipple Building is Oh

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<v Speaker 2>I wish once this whole thing is scripted, you will

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<v Speaker 2>understand all this better. But there is a building that

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<v Speaker 2>used to be a fort and it was a fort

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<v Speaker 2>in ye oldie even more murder of indigenous people times.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was the fort from which they would go

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<v Speaker 2>out and capture people. Yeah, and that is what it

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<v Speaker 2>is again. It is the center of the ice operations here.

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<v Speaker 2>It is where everyone has taken both citizen and non

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<v Speaker 2>citizen for processing. And there's like one way in and

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<v Speaker 2>one way way out. And there have been people I

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<v Speaker 2>keep talking about. We were talking about this hyper local

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<v Speaker 2>rap and response. Yeah, there's been people at the Whipple Building,

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<v Speaker 2>at this wrap of a place.

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<v Speaker 1>With one way and then one way, these places a

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<v Speaker 1>fortress ass building. Yeah, right where it's really easy to

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<v Speaker 1>kidnap people because the kidnap place is right there. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there have been people there are basically every day. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and like just blatantly being like we are here to

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<v Speaker 1>track you all anti ice people have been there every day. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So there was a call to go to it this morning,

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<v Speaker 2>and so we did and you know as press. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and we did not get there on time because my

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<v Speaker 2>car absolutely that start.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but multiple people came to rescue us.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like multiple people showed up to help out of

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<v Speaker 2>towners who aren't even core of were We weren't there

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<v Speaker 2>to get stuff done. We're just here to talk about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Like someone came to or for us to jump.

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<v Speaker 1>Someone else was like, hey, did you get a jump? Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>someone was like do you want to ride? Do you

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<v Speaker 1>need to borrow my vehicle? Yeah? And these weren't people

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<v Speaker 1>we known very long, but yeah, the longest we've known

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<v Speaker 1>these people was since Tuesday, it's Friday, and.

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<v Speaker 2>So people come up, get the vehicle working, We drive there,

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<v Speaker 2>and the whole time both of us are moderately outdoorsy people, right,

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<v Speaker 2>put it mildly in your case and to be accurate

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<v Speaker 2>in my case. Yeah, Like, and we spent the whole

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<v Speaker 2>time be like do we have enough gear?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Do we enough winter gear? You know we both have

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<v Speaker 2>these new insulated boots we got for this trip. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and like I live in the mountains. You were a

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<v Speaker 2>literal sports person.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I enjoyed to be in the mat Yeah. When

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<v Speaker 1>I have time, I will go into the mountains and

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<v Speaker 1>sleep outside.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, is cold.

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<v Speaker 1>It was cold. You know there's a cold when your

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<v Speaker 1>noseheads freeze when you breathe in and then yeah, then

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<v Speaker 1>there's a cold when you're like my eyes are like

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<v Speaker 1>actually icing over. Yeah, like this is alarmingly cold.

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<v Speaker 2>Is the coldest day here since twenty eighteen or twenty nineteen,

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<v Speaker 2>is what we learned.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And and you know, when I talked to my

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<v Speaker 2>friend before I came, I was like, it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be horrendously cold. Are people still going to show up?

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, my friend who lives here is like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>we will Ice will be miserable. Yeah, and we saw

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<v Speaker 2>probably ten thousand people outside today. Yeah, between the two protests,

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<v Speaker 2>mostly the larger one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Like, so we roll up right and there is

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<v Speaker 1>a small shield wall barricading one of the waves that

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<v Speaker 1>Ice gets into the Whipple building to incarcerated people who

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<v Speaker 1>they have snatched. Yeah, there are probably half a dozen

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<v Speaker 1>shields and then two big corrugated steel which.

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<v Speaker 2>Is the level of bravery of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like that is audacious, Yeah, because there will maybe

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred people in that whole formation, right, and the

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<v Speaker 1>shield walls facing two ways. We check it out. As

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<v Speaker 1>we arrive, we see what we later learn was an

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<v Speaker 1>Italian camera operator there had been maceed in the face.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to like break down again, Like we

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<v Speaker 1>we've made light of the cold, and it's funny that

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<v Speaker 1>it's cold. You get maced, right, generally you want to

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<v Speaker 1>pour water on your face. Right. The clock is ticking

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<v Speaker 1>pretty quickly once you start pouring liquid on exposed skin.

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<v Speaker 1>In these temperatures, the clock is ticking on exposing skin

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<v Speaker 1>in these temperatures, any exposed skin is dangerous. I have

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<v Speaker 1>this like basically balaklava that I like, I don't wear

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<v Speaker 1>to protest.

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<v Speaker 2>That's sketchy. Yeah, And then I'm like, oh no, I'm

0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:25.480
<v Speaker 2>gonna like die if I don't wear this thing that

0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:26.960
<v Speaker 2>covers every inch of my face.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like I have a helmet with goggles, and I

0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:32.719
<v Speaker 1>wasn't wearing the goggles for particularly, like I didn't think

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to get a pepper ball in the eye.

0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:37.160
<v Speaker 1>I needed the air not to touch my eyes. So

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<v Speaker 1>like this, this is amazing, is serious, right? And I

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<v Speaker 1>saw that and I saw them pouring water and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, oh shit, actually that's quite grave. And they

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<v Speaker 1>actually did have a staged water truck the spray people.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't spray people with water, but yeah, that's what

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<v Speaker 1>we heard where there was a water truck staged in

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<v Speaker 1>the in the parking lot. To be clear, like that

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<v Speaker 1>could have killed someone really easily. Yeah. So then that

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<v Speaker 1>was one entrance. We were like, let's go to go

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<v Speaker 1>back the other entrance. See what the whole scene is here.

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<v Speaker 1>As we're walking, first of all, we come past someone

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<v Speaker 1>with one of those like trolleys that people pull. They

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<v Speaker 1>have the better part of like a thousand tans and

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<v Speaker 1>foot toe warmers, and they are stoked to be given

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<v Speaker 1>them out right, So we put handwarmers inside our gloves.

0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:19.360
<v Speaker 1>Then we see someone who's pulled up in a mini van.

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<v Speaker 1>That is the warming car. People do get cold, they

0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:25.400
<v Speaker 1>get in there and they warm them up. We come around,

0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:30.240
<v Speaker 1>someone has snacks. Someone's playing public enemy. As we come

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<v Speaker 1>around further, we see this is the place that I

0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:35.800
<v Speaker 1>are coming in with people, right, And so there are

0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:39.640
<v Speaker 1>people who were there shouting at them. I saw a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of like snowballs thrown and like, yeah, there were

0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:46.320
<v Speaker 1>people who are throwing snowballs, right, But there were also

0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:48.240
<v Speaker 1>folks who just turned out to be like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm more of a that's not my vibe. But if

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<v Speaker 1>you would like a snack while you're throwing them, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>here for you. No one was like, hey, don't do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone was showing up in their own way, and that

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<v Speaker 1>was really cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like one of the things that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I asked at one point, I was like, what's the

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<v Speaker 2>like discourse like about you know, the usual thing that

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<v Speaker 2>divides people about, like I'm going to use air quotes here.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't see but violence and non violence yeh, which

0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:16.320
<v Speaker 2>are like complicated age, right, you know, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's obviously people like we've met people who've been

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<v Speaker 2>like and we're non violent, and they're like really excited,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's an important party.

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<v Speaker 1>Who had yellow vests on being like peaceful observer, don't shoot.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And then there's also people who are like, we

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<v Speaker 2>didn't see any of it, but there's graffiti all over town.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like fuck peace justice doesn't bring him back.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I was like, what's the discourse like between

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<v Speaker 2>these groups? And everyone we've talked to is like, there

0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:40.920
<v Speaker 2>isn't time for that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we go shit to be doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and like you know, even when people are discussing things,

0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:49.880
<v Speaker 2>they'll try to start having a discussion and someone's like, hey,

0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:52.680
<v Speaker 2>Ice is on that corner. Yeah, and not that these

0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:56.200
<v Speaker 2>discussions aren't worth it. Well, I famously my pinned post

0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:58.720
<v Speaker 2>on Blue Sky's discourse is the mind Killer. But like,

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<v Speaker 2>and you can see se just like right here, right,

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<v Speaker 2>because there's people who are like, when you show up

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<v Speaker 2>with shields at a shield wall at blocking a federal

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<v Speaker 2>agents from being somewhere, you're clearly being mildly antagonistic, right,

0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:15.080
<v Speaker 2>it is as a rowdy thing to do. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and at the same time, right, like we didn't make

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<v Speaker 2>it to this because they were happening at the same

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<v Speaker 2>time more or less, but not very far away at

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<v Speaker 2>the airport. We're not the news in this particular case.

0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:27.000
<v Speaker 2>It could happen here is a news show, but this

0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:29.360
<v Speaker 2>is still not the news. We're reporting right now, like

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and fifty clergy people were restless of all

0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:34.640
<v Speaker 2>disobedience because the airport's being used to transport people away.

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<v Speaker 2>Did real quick tangent about that. I think it's really

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful because there's so much you know that the national

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<v Speaker 2>presses of course, like these anti Christian people attack church,

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<v Speaker 2>and like, you know, the churches are on our side,

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<v Speaker 2>except like one or.

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<v Speaker 1>Two if we were staying next to our church. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and like we get up in the morning that first day,

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<v Speaker 1>we heard the honking and we see like, yeah, the

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<v Speaker 1>church has got a sign being like yeah, I've knowniced ice.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems bad. Yeah, I think is not what Jesus

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<v Speaker 1>would have done.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So we're at the thing and you know, we're like, okay,

0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:09.440
<v Speaker 2>this is happening, and we start seeing the police getting

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<v Speaker 2>ready to use munitions.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, we come back from the first place to where

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<v Speaker 1>the shield wall was, right, right, shield wall is no

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<v Speaker 1>longer there, we think, huh, weird, no shield wall.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's a line of police.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh look at that. It's Hennepin County Sheriff Department. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and yeah, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, I mean that's the thing is that it's

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<v Speaker 2>always really sad when you come back and expect to

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<v Speaker 2>see a shield wall and instead there's a line of police. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and they are yelling dispersal orders at the at the

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<v Speaker 2>shield wall, which is already banked dispersed.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like they're they've been they've been pushed away. We

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<v Speaker 2>can't hundred yards away. Yeah, like we we just like

0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:48.280
<v Speaker 2>straight up can't see them. And we are told and

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<v Speaker 2>no uncertain terms by some other folks who are standing.

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<v Speaker 2>This is not a large crowd. The crowd has been

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<v Speaker 2>moved and we're just kind of yeah, the crafts between

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<v Speaker 2>us in our car.

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<v Speaker 1>One, two, three, four, five, six of us. Yeah, there's

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<v Speaker 1>six of us. And I was I was counting people

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<v Speaker 1>in my head. I can I can't stay sick.

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, you're right, And two of the people were

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<v Speaker 2>standing next to are like, yeah, if you cross this

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<v Speaker 2>red line. They told us that if we crossed this

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<v Speaker 2>red line, the National Guard will shoot us dead. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and it we did not test that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm not sure if they would A bit near

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<v Speaker 1>young over song about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, and we're not in Ohio would be fine.

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<v Speaker 1>And minniesry to National Guard.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and so they they are not letting us go.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. To be clear, the red line would have signified

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<v Speaker 1>we were entering into like a military area.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, totally with no like barricades or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Just they had barricades further along, right, Yeah, to make

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<v Speaker 1>vehicles weave yet drive straight up.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the side of a public road where the light

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<v Speaker 2>rail station. So there's the line of police and they're

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<v Speaker 2>mostly facing away from us. There's about two people facing

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<v Speaker 2>towards us. Are cars between them. We are marked press.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and wearing a bright red helmet with pressed to

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<v Speaker 1>us on it. Blue helmet with presto because really black.

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<v Speaker 1>The first the cops keep pushing the shield wall further

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<v Speaker 1>away from us, and we hear them on the l rad.

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<v Speaker 1>This has been declared an lawful assembly. I did hear

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<v Speaker 1>somebody shout by who? That is a very good question, honestly. Yeah. Unfortunately,

0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:22.639
<v Speaker 1>the Hennepin County Sheriff's Department were not very interested in

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<v Speaker 1>answering questions. Yeah, and the way that we learned this

0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:28.800
<v Speaker 1>is that a couple of people I would call them

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<v Speaker 1>older folks just from looking at them from a distance.

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<v Speaker 2>They weren't the young rowdies holding shields.

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<v Speaker 1>They were absolutely not know. It was an older gentleman

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<v Speaker 1>in a male presenting person in carharts right, who walked

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<v Speaker 1>up coveralls, yeah, yeah, with hands up right, very clearly

0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:46.960
<v Speaker 1>hands up and seemed to be asking or talking. Yeah.

0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:48.800
<v Speaker 2>It was like probably going up to being like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>what's happening? Yeah, like whatever, Yeah.

0:17:51.080 --> 0:17:54.359
<v Speaker 1>Can I go over there? That person was arrested. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so was another person who was with them. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>they were told they were arrested on the l rad.

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<v Speaker 2>We could hear them. Yeah you are onto our.

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<v Speaker 1>Ros Yeah yeah, that was very strange.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Then a bus arrived, more cops got out, and those

0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:10.879
<v Speaker 1>two people were put on the bus. Yeah, three people,

0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:13.439
<v Speaker 1>there's three, three of them, three on the bus. Yeah, Okay,

0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:17.040
<v Speaker 1>the majority of the police in turn to face us, yeah.

0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:19.200
<v Speaker 2>All six by now, there's probably twelve of us. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>because because other people are like, hey, my car's over

0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:21.840
<v Speaker 2>there too, Yeah.

0:18:22.680 --> 0:18:24.280
<v Speaker 1>They're there in between us and where we parked our cars.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now. Yeah, And then they turn the l rad

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<v Speaker 1>around right, and then they tell us that they have

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<v Speaker 1>issued a dispersal order due to something about like a

0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:35.560
<v Speaker 1>legal conduct, which again, we are standing on the platform

0:18:35.560 --> 0:18:37.480
<v Speaker 1>with a light rail station at this point, and I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen no one do anything other than stand around. I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen someone through us noble up somewhere else we're in

0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:45.280
<v Speaker 1>a different location. And then they say we have five

0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:49.840
<v Speaker 1>minutes to disperse, and they they give us a cardinal direction.

0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:53.880
<v Speaker 2>We have to disperse east onto a road that no

0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:56.159
<v Speaker 2>one with us knew what was.

0:18:56.320 --> 0:18:58.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we're all looking like we're in a kind of

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<v Speaker 1>weird amazing. I had previously tried to walk up to

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<v Speaker 1>this line and be like can we go through to

0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:07.040
<v Speaker 1>our car please?

0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:09.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we would like to disperse, Yeah, because at this

0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:13.120
<v Speaker 2>point we're like this is just going bad. Yeah, we're

0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:13.800
<v Speaker 2>pressed now.

0:19:13.840 --> 0:19:16.760
<v Speaker 1>To be there, right. We're here to report and if

0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:20.119
<v Speaker 1>we get arrested, we can't report and there's nothing to

0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:23.120
<v Speaker 1>report on, yeah, because the cops have cattled us with

0:19:23.240 --> 0:19:24.399
<v Speaker 1>two other press.

0:19:24.359 --> 0:19:28.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the rest of the Italian news crew who can't don't.

0:19:28.040 --> 0:19:30.879
<v Speaker 1>Have a camera, but they're still trying to do reporting.

0:19:31.040 --> 0:19:33.159
<v Speaker 2>But brave as hell yeah, because they're just still standing

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<v Speaker 2>there and they're like, yeah, you know, fake Italian accents,

0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:39.600
<v Speaker 2>and they're just like our camera person got made.

0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:41.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they'll be fine, but they got made.

0:19:41.560 --> 0:19:42.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And so the cops had very clearly indicated that they

0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:49.240
<v Speaker 1>were not interested in that arrangement. So we went back

0:19:49.280 --> 0:19:52.960
<v Speaker 1>to standing there wondering which way was east. I was

0:19:53.000 --> 0:19:55.040
<v Speaker 1>trying to get under my last my watch, I could

0:19:55.080 --> 0:19:55.800
<v Speaker 1>pull up a company.

0:19:55.800 --> 0:19:57.600
<v Speaker 2>I had figured out which way was east. I even

0:19:57.640 --> 0:20:00.720
<v Speaker 2>had a suspicion about how to go that, but I

0:20:00.760 --> 0:20:03.439
<v Speaker 2>am willing. I believe I'm talking to other people who

0:20:03.480 --> 0:20:07.320
<v Speaker 2>are elsewhere there that day, that day, today, this morning.

0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:09.920
<v Speaker 2>It's been a long day. I don't normally drink caffeine.

0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:13.480
<v Speaker 2>I am on caffeine. I believe that is where the

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<v Speaker 2>other line of police was starting to kettle people from it.

0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:18.360
<v Speaker 2>It seems like, so I actually believe they were not

0:20:18.560 --> 0:20:20.240
<v Speaker 2>actually offering us away out at all.

0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:23.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I, on the other hand, was readers. I couldn't

0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:25.040
<v Speaker 1>get to my watch it was I knew it was

0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:26.879
<v Speaker 1>before noon, so I was looking for where the sun

0:20:27.080 --> 0:20:30.320
<v Speaker 1>was and I knew some celestial navigation, and at that

0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:34.320
<v Speaker 1>point we saw well, actually at that point, we went

0:20:34.359 --> 0:20:36.680
<v Speaker 1>to the train platform and a light rail train was

0:20:36.720 --> 0:20:38.959
<v Speaker 1>going not towards our carpet away from it. Yeah, but

0:20:39.000 --> 0:20:41.720
<v Speaker 1>it didn't open the doors when it came to the platform. Yeah.

0:20:41.760 --> 0:20:43.720
<v Speaker 2>We were like, we want to call though, I said.

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<v Speaker 1>Margaret, We're fucked. Margaret said get ready to run. I

0:20:48.320 --> 0:20:54.399
<v Speaker 1>guess yeah. And then as they were advancing towards us, comrade,

0:20:54.520 --> 0:20:57.440
<v Speaker 1>light rail train arrived. Everyone got on.

0:20:57.400 --> 0:20:59.560
<v Speaker 2>The train literally last minute.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, scootle straight past the police line.

0:21:03.320 --> 0:21:04.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:21:05.200 --> 0:21:08.080
<v Speaker 1>And then we got off and commenced walking around to

0:21:08.080 --> 0:21:09.760
<v Speaker 1>try and find a way back to our vehicle. Yeah.

0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:13.399
<v Speaker 2>So that was our morning. That was I mean, whatever,

0:21:13.640 --> 0:21:16.199
<v Speaker 2>it's weird, the party is least affected, but to be

0:21:16.280 --> 0:21:19.480
<v Speaker 2>like really just transparent about it. This is the coldest

0:21:19.560 --> 0:21:23.960
<v Speaker 2>day of my life. I've experienced negative temperatures before. Yeah,

0:21:24.040 --> 0:21:26.560
<v Speaker 2>I haven't experienced negative thirty something windchill.

0:21:26.920 --> 0:21:27.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Like we were seeing people getting off the light rail.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone's eye lashes had frost in them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, just to just to keep hitting that point, well,

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<v Speaker 2>like that was one.

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<v Speaker 1>Of my concerns with detainment, right with like corps ledgendarily

0:21:43.800 --> 0:21:46.359
<v Speaker 1>don't treat people in their custody very well, right, and

0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:49.800
<v Speaker 1>I was very worried about right two, they did seem

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<v Speaker 1>to be getting the people they arrested quickly on that bus. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but like that was my worries, right. You get if

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<v Speaker 1>you lose a glove when you're being handcuffed, that's not

0:21:58.040 --> 0:21:59.439
<v Speaker 1>a that's you know, that's serious.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's like maybe you lose your fingers now at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of that like, because it's like genuinely like

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<v Speaker 2>a I know, we keep harping on it, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>just it's a it's a present characteristic. Yeah, my car

0:22:09.880 --> 0:22:11.959
<v Speaker 2>is a mess right now because we can't clean it

0:22:12.200 --> 0:22:17.040
<v Speaker 2>because that involves standing outside in like negative eighteen or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>The fuck.

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<v Speaker 1>All of these numbers have become meaningless to me at

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<v Speaker 1>this point anyway. You know what keeps me warm, Margaret,

0:22:24.160 --> 0:22:26.960
<v Speaker 1>the handwarmers we purchase with the money that we get

0:22:26.960 --> 0:22:30.119
<v Speaker 1>from advertisements. Yeah. I was gonna say, thinking about thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about how the products and services support the show love

0:22:33.320 --> 0:22:34.679
<v Speaker 1>to support me and the work I do. But I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think they actually know what I do and look.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen to numbers to be honest, Yeah, I think they

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<v Speaker 2>don't hear our transitions shit, and they don't And here

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<v Speaker 2>they are.

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<v Speaker 1>Enter back.

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<v Speaker 2>So we we go to this and then we go

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<v Speaker 2>to the clear highlight of the day, which is the

0:22:59.480 --> 0:23:03.080
<v Speaker 2>ice call crashed and yeah, yeah, that is when we

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<v Speaker 2>decided we got to we we received word that an

0:23:05.880 --> 0:23:08.520
<v Speaker 2>ice vehicle had t boned telephone.

0:23:08.680 --> 0:23:08.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was doing a blue sky thread and I

0:23:11.800 --> 0:23:13.480
<v Speaker 2>was like, Nope, that's a shorter thread.

0:23:13.240 --> 0:23:16.480
<v Speaker 1>Because we gotta go. Yeah. I'm not as good as

0:23:16.760 --> 0:23:19.920
<v Speaker 1>Margaret is at skating when I'm at things, so I'm

0:23:19.920 --> 0:23:21.280
<v Speaker 1>so used to being in places where it would be

0:23:21.280 --> 0:23:24.040
<v Speaker 1>a risky to everyone involved. Yeah, posted I was there. Yeah,

0:23:24.160 --> 0:23:26.160
<v Speaker 1>so we yeah, we go, right, we park a few

0:23:26.160 --> 0:23:28.520
<v Speaker 1>bucks away. Once we see flashing lights. Yeah, we start

0:23:28.520 --> 0:23:31.280
<v Speaker 1>booging up the street at fast walk pace, which is

0:23:31.280 --> 0:23:33.040
<v Speaker 1>about as fast as you're gonna go when it's an

0:23:33.040 --> 0:23:35.119
<v Speaker 1>inch of ice on everything. Yeah, and we see this

0:23:35.280 --> 0:23:38.880
<v Speaker 1>car that has faired. There's traffic coming roundabout that. Clearly

0:23:39.080 --> 0:23:41.600
<v Speaker 1>they were not expecting to be there. It looks like

0:23:41.640 --> 0:23:43.800
<v Speaker 1>they've they've been trying to go straight over to roundabout

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<v Speaker 1>and have.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're just like the front of their car is

0:23:46.440 --> 0:23:50.439
<v Speaker 2>just crashed in a fifteen mile per hour street.

0:23:50.520 --> 0:23:52.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, like a street where like you would expect

0:23:52.560 --> 0:23:54.240
<v Speaker 1>a trial to be riding a bicycle in the summer.

0:23:54.359 --> 0:23:56.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's like it's one of those streets that's

0:23:56.680 --> 0:24:02.000
<v Speaker 2>like cars on both sides one one lane that two

0:24:02.080 --> 0:24:04.720
<v Speaker 2>cars have to pass each other by backing up. Yeah,

0:24:04.720 --> 0:24:06.480
<v Speaker 2>and they clearly just blew through it. They don't give

0:24:06.480 --> 0:24:08.320
<v Speaker 2>a fuck. And that's like a thing we've heard over

0:24:08.359 --> 0:24:11.199
<v Speaker 2>and over from the people who tail them is that

0:24:11.240 --> 0:24:15.680
<v Speaker 2>they they drive erradically, they drive, they drive recklessly because

0:24:15.680 --> 0:24:18.960
<v Speaker 2>they are they think they're immune to all consequences. Yeah,

0:24:19.000 --> 0:24:22.840
<v Speaker 2>and they are. They are until someone like the only

0:24:22.840 --> 0:24:26.520
<v Speaker 2>people giving them consequences are the people of the city,

0:24:26.760 --> 0:24:29.720
<v Speaker 2>not in the city itself or the state.

0:24:29.920 --> 0:24:33.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is the thing. Actually, I'll just I have

0:24:33.760 --> 0:24:37.560
<v Speaker 1>spent more time than nearly everyone at the southern border

0:24:37.560 --> 0:24:40.560
<v Speaker 1>of the United States, in more places right in California,

0:24:40.720 --> 0:24:44.000
<v Speaker 1>in Texas, in New Mexico, in Arizona, ave been up

0:24:44.000 --> 0:24:46.240
<v Speaker 1>and down the border. There is one thing that unites

0:24:46.280 --> 0:24:50.359
<v Speaker 1>the border experience, be it on torn or Tumb Reservation

0:24:50.560 --> 0:24:54.080
<v Speaker 1>in Arizona, be in San Diego being New Mexico, or

0:24:54.119 --> 0:24:56.399
<v Speaker 1>in the Rio Grand Valley of Texas, and it is

0:24:56.440 --> 0:25:00.280
<v Speaker 1>that border patrols driving is a risk to everyone, and

0:25:00.320 --> 0:25:02.200
<v Speaker 1>you can hear the most straight up right wing people.

0:25:02.240 --> 0:25:04.080
<v Speaker 1>I think. I love what they're doing. I don't want

0:25:04.080 --> 0:25:06.119
<v Speaker 1>the Margarets in my country, but I wish they wouldn't

0:25:06.200 --> 0:25:09.760
<v Speaker 1>drive like digs and like they've killed people on the

0:25:09.760 --> 0:25:14.399
<v Speaker 1>Autumn reservation, right, Like this is serious and that what

0:25:14.560 --> 0:25:16.800
<v Speaker 1>is happening once again is that the border is coming

0:25:16.800 --> 0:25:19.400
<v Speaker 1>to a city and people are seeing this is not new,

0:25:19.720 --> 0:25:20.480
<v Speaker 1>it's new here.

0:25:21.040 --> 0:25:24.080
<v Speaker 2>The driving erratically is such a perfect though example of

0:25:24.200 --> 0:25:27.000
<v Speaker 2>like what power does to people, Like you have an

0:25:27.080 --> 0:25:30.359
<v Speaker 2>unaccountable force, and they will do horrible things. Yeah, they

0:25:30.400 --> 0:25:34.000
<v Speaker 2>will do major horrible things like kidnapping people, and they'll

0:25:34.040 --> 0:25:37.760
<v Speaker 2>do heady I don't care, I am just drunk on

0:25:37.840 --> 0:25:38.560
<v Speaker 2>power things.

0:25:39.160 --> 0:25:40.800
<v Speaker 1>Or they will leave the cars and drive when they

0:25:40.880 --> 0:25:43.120
<v Speaker 1>pull them out right, like the second topic the park,

0:25:43.359 --> 0:25:46.240
<v Speaker 1>or like yeah, in this case, they will case a

0:25:46.280 --> 0:25:47.360
<v Speaker 1>telephone pole.

0:25:47.320 --> 0:25:49.720
<v Speaker 2>Right anyway, So then we decide we're going to the

0:25:49.760 --> 0:25:53.600
<v Speaker 2>big march downtown. Yeah, you know, because the general strike

0:25:53.640 --> 0:25:56.159
<v Speaker 2>has a component that is a big march downtown. And

0:25:56.920 --> 0:26:01.480
<v Speaker 2>the single most important thing about that to me was

0:26:01.640 --> 0:26:05.239
<v Speaker 2>again to keep harping on it the cold because I

0:26:05.280 --> 0:26:07.000
<v Speaker 2>know a lot of people who go to these sorts

0:26:07.000 --> 0:26:09.000
<v Speaker 2>of marches, right, and these are the sorts of marches

0:26:09.000 --> 0:26:10.879
<v Speaker 2>that a lot of people go to who don't necessarily

0:26:11.359 --> 0:26:14.600
<v Speaker 2>do a ton of other political activity. Although here it

0:26:14.640 --> 0:26:16.800
<v Speaker 2>probably feels a little different because a lot of the

0:26:16.840 --> 0:26:19.560
<v Speaker 2>people go into that march who probably are the kind

0:26:19.600 --> 0:26:22.600
<v Speaker 2>of sign holding going to the big march kind of

0:26:22.600 --> 0:26:27.920
<v Speaker 2>people are also quite possibly at the very least showing

0:26:27.960 --> 0:26:29.000
<v Speaker 2>up on air whistles.

0:26:29.240 --> 0:26:32.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you doing the work right, the buying the groceries

0:26:32.280 --> 0:26:35.080
<v Speaker 1>whatever it is. Yeah, like I think one thing I

0:26:35.160 --> 0:26:37.040
<v Speaker 1>was started. So we're walking towards march, and it is

0:26:37.720 --> 0:26:39.159
<v Speaker 1>one of the genies that you gets a lot when

0:26:39.160 --> 0:26:40.840
<v Speaker 1>you're going to a big action, right, You feel like

0:26:40.880 --> 0:26:43.720
<v Speaker 1>a salmon and everyone's just swimming up the swimming in

0:26:43.760 --> 0:26:47.400
<v Speaker 1>the stream together or you know whatever, tuna and you're

0:26:47.440 --> 0:26:49.800
<v Speaker 1>all going towards the same space. And that's cool. That's

0:26:49.840 --> 0:26:52.399
<v Speaker 1>always nice to feel the size. And then we get

0:26:52.440 --> 0:26:55.320
<v Speaker 1>there and it's big, like there's a lot of people,

0:26:55.480 --> 0:26:58.439
<v Speaker 1>and it's cold, Like, I know, we keep popping on

0:26:58.480 --> 0:27:02.680
<v Speaker 1>about the cold. It is cold as shit. Margaret's ear

0:27:02.840 --> 0:27:05.280
<v Speaker 1>was a little bit out. We were both worried about

0:27:05.359 --> 0:27:08.679
<v Speaker 1>Margaret's ear. Yeah, like it's you want to ensure it,

0:27:08.920 --> 0:27:12.800
<v Speaker 1>like skin coverage in these temperatures. Yeah, we get there

0:27:12.840 --> 0:27:15.240
<v Speaker 1>and like so they're meeting in like a big square

0:27:15.320 --> 0:27:17.479
<v Speaker 1>and then they're marching through the street, right, Yeah, and

0:27:17.520 --> 0:27:19.800
<v Speaker 1>there are also people on like there are internal walkways

0:27:19.840 --> 0:27:22.119
<v Speaker 1>between buildings above the street and all of them around

0:27:22.119 --> 0:27:25.359
<v Speaker 1>with people with signs or cheering and stuff. And the

0:27:25.400 --> 0:27:27.600
<v Speaker 1>thing I noticed as we got there was like immediately

0:27:27.600 --> 0:27:29.920
<v Speaker 1>we set foot in that square, we're once again being

0:27:29.960 --> 0:27:33.720
<v Speaker 1>offered hot cocoa handwarmers. There's a guy with like a

0:27:34.400 --> 0:27:39.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, there's orange insulated containers. They use it like sports,

0:27:39.400 --> 0:27:43.080
<v Speaker 1>like a gator. He's got soup in it. Yeah, he's

0:27:43.200 --> 0:27:47.040
<v Speaker 1>backpacking the supers. It's vegan and gluten free and he's

0:27:47.040 --> 0:27:50.000
<v Speaker 1>handing out soup. There are multiple people who have just

0:27:50.040 --> 0:27:52.879
<v Speaker 1>set up to care for people because it's cold and

0:27:53.200 --> 0:27:57.320
<v Speaker 1>people might need caring for, right, Like, there are all

0:27:57.480 --> 0:28:00.560
<v Speaker 1>kinds of facilities there to like look after folk. Yeah,

0:28:00.680 --> 0:28:04.320
<v Speaker 1>we received I have some hand warmers. I think you

0:28:04.359 --> 0:28:07.160
<v Speaker 1>and I both took some hand warmers. And there wasn't

0:28:07.280 --> 0:28:09.720
<v Speaker 1>at least where we were like a speaker, there was

0:28:09.760 --> 0:28:13.560
<v Speaker 1>some chanting. Yeah, at this point, like I would love

0:28:13.600 --> 0:28:15.520
<v Speaker 1>to include to be a role of chanting. Unfortunately it

0:28:15.560 --> 0:28:19.800
<v Speaker 1>was so cold that both my voice recorders refused to work.

0:28:19.800 --> 0:28:23.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, one by one, every electronic device that James

0:28:24.000 --> 0:28:27.200
<v Speaker 2>brought ate shit, and I like, you know, I'm much

0:28:27.280 --> 0:28:28.960
<v Speaker 2>you'll listen to my shit. I'm much more of a

0:28:29.080 --> 0:28:32.600
<v Speaker 2>ViBe's podcaster where I like just observe and then write

0:28:32.600 --> 0:28:36.959
<v Speaker 2>everything down. James is a proper podcaster and journalist and like, uh,

0:28:37.440 --> 0:28:40.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, as b roll of things, not.

0:28:40.680 --> 0:28:44.120
<v Speaker 1>As much today yet, everybody, my voice recorder, which has

0:28:44.120 --> 0:28:46.560
<v Speaker 1>been through the Darien Gap as it tended this Syrian

0:28:46.680 --> 0:28:48.400
<v Speaker 1>civil war, it's been to the place where the US

0:28:48.440 --> 0:28:51.320
<v Speaker 1>dropped a nuclear bomb. It didn't make it out of Minneapolis.

0:28:51.320 --> 0:28:54.200
<v Speaker 1>It's gone to Valhalla now, yeah, which is sad. I

0:28:54.240 --> 0:28:56.280
<v Speaker 1>even tried to record on my phone, but my phone

0:28:56.320 --> 0:28:57.600
<v Speaker 1>just black screened.

0:28:57.160 --> 0:28:59.280
<v Speaker 2>On me like this comedy.

0:28:59.560 --> 0:29:02.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was pretty funny when when the cell phone tied,

0:29:02.200 --> 0:29:05.280
<v Speaker 1>it was like previously I had been painting a picture

0:29:05.320 --> 0:29:09.040
<v Speaker 1>fuel using my nose to unlock the phone and then

0:29:09.120 --> 0:29:11.840
<v Speaker 1>like actuate apps because I didn't want to take my

0:29:11.880 --> 0:29:12.480
<v Speaker 1>glove off.

0:29:12.800 --> 0:29:16.160
<v Speaker 2>We would we would take turns taking our hands out

0:29:16.200 --> 0:29:18.400
<v Speaker 2>of gloves to touch buttons on things.

0:29:18.200 --> 0:29:21.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, or to like adjust you chose clothes, or like, yeah,

0:29:21.920 --> 0:29:24.000
<v Speaker 1>someone watched me doing the phone thing and they gave

0:29:24.040 --> 0:29:26.360
<v Speaker 1>me a nod like yeah doing the nose phone Yeah yeah.

0:29:26.360 --> 0:29:29.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah totally, and like I don't know, I just I

0:29:29.840 --> 0:29:34.200
<v Speaker 2>keep talking about how the sense of togetherness it's inspiring. Like,

0:29:34.760 --> 0:29:37.840
<v Speaker 2>full disclosure, I'm not a big rally person. I'm much

0:29:38.080 --> 0:29:42.840
<v Speaker 2>personally more interested in mutual aid and direct action. I'm

0:29:43.320 --> 0:29:45.880
<v Speaker 2>disinterested in it when it seems like a way for

0:29:45.920 --> 0:29:48.280
<v Speaker 2>people to check off that they've done their resistance.

0:29:48.720 --> 0:29:51.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, definitely if that feels like you're warm, fuzzy and

0:29:51.640 --> 0:29:52.360
<v Speaker 1>that's all you want.

0:29:52.800 --> 0:29:55.600
<v Speaker 2>But in this case, it was more I don't know

0:29:55.680 --> 0:29:59.320
<v Speaker 2>for certain, it was more of a warm fuzzy for

0:29:59.480 --> 0:30:02.280
<v Speaker 2>people who we were also just doing this hard thing

0:30:02.520 --> 0:30:04.200
<v Speaker 2>day in and day out.

0:30:04.360 --> 0:30:06.520
<v Speaker 1>It felt like when you and your friends, like, you know,

0:30:06.520 --> 0:30:09.120
<v Speaker 1>when you're doing a hard, long, neutral aid thing, right,

0:30:09.200 --> 0:30:11.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, like or let's say you're engaged in a

0:30:11.560 --> 0:30:14.120
<v Speaker 1>project that feeds people every week and once a year

0:30:14.160 --> 0:30:16.520
<v Speaker 1>you get together and have a dinner together. Right, it

0:30:16.560 --> 0:30:18.720
<v Speaker 1>felt a bit like that, or like yeah, you know

0:30:18.760 --> 0:30:20.440
<v Speaker 1>a little bit like when we were feeding people in

0:30:20.440 --> 0:30:23.720
<v Speaker 1>the desert. We would sit down afterwards and talking about

0:30:23.720 --> 0:30:26.560
<v Speaker 1>this with someone Today, we would like eat vegan MRIs

0:30:26.640 --> 0:30:29.360
<v Speaker 1>out of the packets like people eat go goots, Yeah,

0:30:29.440 --> 0:30:31.680
<v Speaker 1>because we were too tired to walk off food while

0:30:31.680 --> 0:30:33.560
<v Speaker 1>we were hungry. But we would just spend a little

0:30:33.560 --> 0:30:35.800
<v Speaker 1>bit of time in community and celebrate what we've done.

0:30:36.160 --> 0:30:38.320
<v Speaker 1>What was cool though, was like sometimes after those big

0:30:38.360 --> 0:30:41.880
<v Speaker 1>actions you feel a little lonely, but like it felt

0:30:41.880 --> 0:30:44.360
<v Speaker 1>like that was just everyone going over there, but like

0:30:44.440 --> 0:30:46.800
<v Speaker 1>there was also everyone elsewhere as you kind of went

0:30:46.840 --> 0:30:49.320
<v Speaker 1>around the city, you know, right, Like it wasn't like

0:30:49.320 --> 0:30:50.120
<v Speaker 1>that was the end of it.

0:30:50.320 --> 0:30:52.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I was I was worried it would, you know,

0:30:53.080 --> 0:30:55.480
<v Speaker 2>draw people away from other things. But you know, even

0:30:55.480 --> 0:30:58.160
<v Speaker 2>this huge crowd was only a tiny portion of the

0:30:58.200 --> 0:31:00.960
<v Speaker 2>people doing things in the city. People are still doing things.

0:31:01.040 --> 0:31:04.280
<v Speaker 2>And at one point I was like, hey, it's maybe

0:31:04.320 --> 0:31:06.400
<v Speaker 2>it's Thursday. We were like, hey, we still less people

0:31:06.440 --> 0:31:09.400
<v Speaker 2>out today. Was that because the cold was starting to

0:31:09.480 --> 0:31:12.560
<v Speaker 2>dry people inside? And we talked to someone and they're like, no,

0:31:13.240 --> 0:31:16.600
<v Speaker 2>ice was less out today than it was yesterday. But

0:31:16.720 --> 0:31:19.560
<v Speaker 2>if ice had come out, all of those people would

0:31:19.600 --> 0:31:22.000
<v Speaker 2>have come out again. They were all staged and ready

0:31:22.040 --> 0:31:24.440
<v Speaker 2>to go. And one of the things, actually, the warm

0:31:24.480 --> 0:31:27.080
<v Speaker 2>fuzzy thing that feeling. One of the things that we

0:31:27.120 --> 0:31:29.640
<v Speaker 2>talked to is that people are very aware that they're

0:31:29.720 --> 0:31:32.840
<v Speaker 2>organizing for the long haul. Like yeah, you know, I again,

0:31:32.920 --> 0:31:34.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm I don't have the news in front of me.

0:31:35.000 --> 0:31:36.720
<v Speaker 2>But the word on the ground here is people being like,

0:31:36.760 --> 0:31:39.920
<v Speaker 2>we think ice might be here till June, right, and

0:31:39.960 --> 0:31:42.000
<v Speaker 2>so people are like, how do we do that?

0:31:42.760 --> 0:31:42.960
<v Speaker 1>You know?

0:31:43.200 --> 0:31:45.920
<v Speaker 2>And one of the things is that, like there are

0:31:46.120 --> 0:31:50.959
<v Speaker 2>people providing things to the people doing things, you know,

0:31:51.200 --> 0:31:53.360
<v Speaker 2>the people whose job is to provide things for other

0:31:53.400 --> 0:31:55.360
<v Speaker 2>people or having people provide things for them.

0:31:55.480 --> 0:31:55.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:31:55.760 --> 0:31:57.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And there's this moment I think about all the time.

0:31:58.840 --> 0:32:00.880
<v Speaker 2>I'll accidentally do like the you know. It was at

0:32:00.880 --> 0:32:04.560
<v Speaker 2>this protest in the Netherlands and the cops try to

0:32:04.560 --> 0:32:07.719
<v Speaker 2>grab my friend. Yeah, and they try to grab him

0:32:07.720 --> 0:32:10.240
<v Speaker 2>because he's screaming the Netherlands as a police state, which

0:32:10.320 --> 0:32:13.120
<v Speaker 2>they try to make their point by trying to grab him, right,

0:32:13.240 --> 0:32:15.640
<v Speaker 2>So everyone holds on to him, So the cops start

0:32:15.720 --> 0:32:17.560
<v Speaker 2>just beating the crap out of the people holding on

0:32:17.560 --> 0:32:20.160
<v Speaker 2>to him. So people start grabbing onto the people who

0:32:20.160 --> 0:32:22.400
<v Speaker 2>are holding on to the person they start trying to

0:32:22.440 --> 0:32:23.760
<v Speaker 2>beat the people who are holding on to the people

0:32:23.760 --> 0:32:25.000
<v Speaker 2>who a holding on to the people who are holding

0:32:25.000 --> 0:32:26.680
<v Speaker 2>on to the people. By the time he gets to

0:32:26.720 --> 0:32:29.360
<v Speaker 2>like four layers out, the cops are just like, yeah,

0:32:29.400 --> 0:32:32.680
<v Speaker 2>fucking yeah, fuck this all right. The center person is

0:32:32.720 --> 0:32:38.360
<v Speaker 2>never arrested, you know. And that's what solidarity is. But

0:32:38.400 --> 0:32:40.280
<v Speaker 2>that's also a lot of the mutual aid stuff, like

0:32:40.640 --> 0:32:42.560
<v Speaker 2>we're talking about to people who are like, yeah, we

0:32:42.600 --> 0:32:44.840
<v Speaker 2>work day in and day out on this stuff, and

0:32:45.080 --> 0:32:49.640
<v Speaker 2>other people are like massage therapists and regular therapists are

0:32:50.000 --> 0:32:53.640
<v Speaker 2>talking with us, you know, and like people are building

0:32:54.560 --> 0:32:59.640
<v Speaker 2>the infrastructure to try and make it sustainable and who knows,

0:33:00.040 --> 0:33:04.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't know whether you can truly sustain what's happening here, right,

0:33:04.960 --> 0:33:06.840
<v Speaker 2>but like they're going to fucking try.

0:33:07.000 --> 0:33:10.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. The way I like to explain anarchism to people

0:33:10.080 --> 0:33:13.560
<v Speaker 1>who's there's sometimes the confusion, right that people think anarchism

0:33:13.640 --> 0:33:16.000
<v Speaker 1>is a predilection for chaos and violence, and that's not

0:33:16.040 --> 0:33:19.600
<v Speaker 1>what it is. I like to explain the anarchism at

0:33:19.640 --> 0:33:23.000
<v Speaker 1>its core is building ways of caring for one another

0:33:23.280 --> 0:33:27.320
<v Speaker 1>that don't reinforce ways of controlling one another. Yeah, And

0:33:27.360 --> 0:33:29.640
<v Speaker 1>that's what people are doing here, right.

0:33:29.600 --> 0:33:30.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, under any name.

0:33:31.120 --> 0:33:33.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it doesn't mean the rest of it is really ephemeral.

0:33:34.360 --> 0:33:37.320
<v Speaker 2>A lot of them are anarchists, but not not anywhere

0:33:37.320 --> 0:33:38.240
<v Speaker 2>near the majority of them.

0:33:38.440 --> 0:33:40.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I think that we can use what Gym's

0:33:40.760 --> 0:33:43.360
<v Speaker 1>got called the anarchist squint, right, and see, yes, people

0:33:43.360 --> 0:33:48.240
<v Speaker 1>building networks here that make the state unnecessary. Yeah, irrelevant

0:33:48.520 --> 0:33:51.160
<v Speaker 1>right now. Understand violence is still very much relevant, but others. Right,

0:33:51.160 --> 0:33:53.600
<v Speaker 1>the Feds are going to cut funding. Yeah, they can

0:33:53.640 --> 0:33:56.680
<v Speaker 1>cut foodstamps in Minnesota. Yeah, people are still going to

0:33:56.680 --> 0:34:01.040
<v Speaker 1>get food to their neighbors. Right. They can cut education funding.

0:34:01.560 --> 0:34:03.640
<v Speaker 1>We heard that there are schools which have a very

0:34:03.680 --> 0:34:06.360
<v Speaker 1>diverse background. And by the diverse here, I don't just

0:34:06.400 --> 0:34:08.400
<v Speaker 1>mean like people of different races, but also people of

0:34:08.440 --> 0:34:11.440
<v Speaker 1>different income brackets, right, And the wealthier parents are like,

0:34:12.360 --> 0:34:14.960
<v Speaker 1>which families aren't able to work? How do I help

0:34:15.040 --> 0:34:16.879
<v Speaker 1>them make their rent? Yeah? Oh god.

0:34:16.880 --> 0:34:19.640
<v Speaker 2>It was funny when yeah people were like, oh, you

0:34:19.680 --> 0:34:22.759
<v Speaker 2>know the thing where like the rich parents are like

0:34:23.200 --> 0:34:27.439
<v Speaker 2>really excited to help everyone and feed everyone. I was like, no, that, Yeah,

0:34:27.480 --> 0:34:31.000
<v Speaker 2>that's how you realize that's not the stereotype like.

0:34:34.000 --> 0:34:36.279
<v Speaker 1>It should be. Yeah, it should be. Well, I think

0:34:36.280 --> 0:34:38.760
<v Speaker 1>folks are really like, huh, what do the world without

0:34:38.800 --> 0:34:43.000
<v Speaker 1>these people look like worse? I don't want that? Yeah, Like,

0:34:43.040 --> 0:34:44.799
<v Speaker 1>what do I have that I can use to stop that?

0:34:44.880 --> 0:34:46.319
<v Speaker 1>I have my time, I have my body, I have

0:34:46.400 --> 0:34:49.239
<v Speaker 1>my money. Let me give them all of them? Yeah, yeah,

0:34:49.400 --> 0:34:52.880
<v Speaker 1>I thought that was very cool. I think the the

0:34:52.960 --> 0:34:56.880
<v Speaker 1>specific thing that has made people. I saw little signs

0:34:58.080 --> 0:34:59.359
<v Speaker 1>they have the name for one of the guys from

0:34:59.400 --> 0:35:01.960
<v Speaker 1>like Liam, the young, very very young kid, right, the

0:35:02.000 --> 0:35:04.600
<v Speaker 1>five year old kid with the Superman but when it

0:35:04.680 --> 0:35:06.839
<v Speaker 1>was yeah, grabbed the spider Man. Yeah, he was grabbed

0:35:06.840 --> 0:35:08.120
<v Speaker 1>the other day. I saw a lot of people with

0:35:08.239 --> 0:35:09.120
<v Speaker 1>science about.

0:35:08.840 --> 0:35:10.320
<v Speaker 2>That, Like it made me want to cry. And just

0:35:10.320 --> 0:35:11.080
<v Speaker 2>seeing the signs.

0:35:11.360 --> 0:35:16.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, these little outrages continue to bring people out

0:35:16.080 --> 0:35:19.239
<v Speaker 1>of their safe, warm comfort bubbles and be like no,

0:35:20.120 --> 0:35:22.560
<v Speaker 1>like I am going to do whatever it takes, my money,

0:35:22.760 --> 0:35:24.720
<v Speaker 1>my time, whatever, right.

0:35:24.680 --> 0:35:27.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know William van s Bronson. Yes, for people

0:35:27.600 --> 0:35:31.560
<v Speaker 2>who are listening, there was a an IWW member named

0:35:31.560 --> 0:35:34.799
<v Speaker 2>William von s Bronson who was killed by ice a

0:35:34.880 --> 0:35:39.120
<v Speaker 2>number of years ago now because he decided that he

0:35:39.200 --> 0:35:41.920
<v Speaker 2>would go and try to set some ice stuff on

0:35:41.960 --> 0:35:43.200
<v Speaker 2>fire middle of the night.

0:35:43.280 --> 0:35:45.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think it was buses, right, unoccupied buses to

0:35:45.480 --> 0:35:45.799
<v Speaker 1>be clear.

0:35:45.920 --> 0:35:48.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, middle of the night, empty buses, the buses that

0:35:48.200 --> 0:35:51.880
<v Speaker 2>they're using to kidnap people, and the cops showed up

0:35:51.880 --> 0:35:52.399
<v Speaker 2>and killed them.

0:35:52.520 --> 0:35:53.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah right.

0:35:53.400 --> 0:35:55.640
<v Speaker 2>And he was seen as kind of this, this lone

0:35:56.120 --> 0:36:00.080
<v Speaker 2>wing nut. Yeah, you know, and I'm watching it and

0:36:00.120 --> 0:36:01.839
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, this man is going to be written about

0:36:01.960 --> 0:36:04.920
<v Speaker 2>history books as like a guy actually started doing something

0:36:04.960 --> 0:36:08.080
<v Speaker 2>early about this. And it is his statement that he wrote.

0:36:08.560 --> 0:36:11.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm not telling people that this was a wise action

0:36:11.680 --> 0:36:13.840
<v Speaker 2>for him to have taken, whatever, you know, But in

0:36:14.280 --> 0:36:17.799
<v Speaker 2>his statement he wrote he wrote a line something like,

0:36:18.600 --> 0:36:21.600
<v Speaker 2>I am off to fulfill my childhood promise to myself

0:36:22.440 --> 0:36:25.879
<v Speaker 2>to be noble, and like he knew he was going

0:36:25.920 --> 0:36:28.920
<v Speaker 2>to die doing that actually, right. That certainly seems to

0:36:28.920 --> 0:36:33.879
<v Speaker 2>be the tone from the letter. But that line the

0:36:33.920 --> 0:36:38.800
<v Speaker 2>idea of fulfilling your promise to yourself to be noble,

0:36:39.400 --> 0:36:42.480
<v Speaker 2>And the thing that is beautiful here is that you

0:36:42.520 --> 0:36:47.600
<v Speaker 2>can now do that with people and effectively. And I

0:36:47.600 --> 0:36:49.640
<v Speaker 2>think that a lot of the things that stop people

0:36:50.000 --> 0:36:53.480
<v Speaker 2>from taking action is a belief that it would be

0:36:54.560 --> 0:36:57.719
<v Speaker 2>shot in the dark, it would be alone thing, it

0:36:57.719 --> 0:37:03.000
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't it wouldn't accomplish anything, right, because most actions you

0:37:03.080 --> 0:37:06.319
<v Speaker 2>can take yourself don't accomplish nearly as much. And to

0:37:06.360 --> 0:37:08.440
<v Speaker 2>be clear that the people who built rapid response networks

0:37:08.440 --> 0:37:11.400
<v Speaker 2>here they learn from other cities. They learn from Chicago,

0:37:11.400 --> 0:37:14.000
<v Speaker 2>who learned from la Right, that is the lineage that

0:37:14.320 --> 0:37:19.280
<v Speaker 2>I've heard presented, but they have developed and expanded because

0:37:19.320 --> 0:37:23.560
<v Speaker 2>this is actually a bigger thing than operation on ices,

0:37:23.600 --> 0:37:27.719
<v Speaker 2>part than either of those. But so people can do

0:37:29.360 --> 0:37:32.600
<v Speaker 2>We've been put on this earth to do, which is

0:37:34.160 --> 0:37:38.239
<v Speaker 2>be our best selves. And I think that there's even

0:37:38.480 --> 0:37:41.160
<v Speaker 2>as hard as it is for people, I think that

0:37:41.200 --> 0:37:46.600
<v Speaker 2>there's a dark beauty that they get to know who

0:37:46.640 --> 0:37:49.080
<v Speaker 2>they are, and they get to know that they are

0:37:49.160 --> 0:37:53.279
<v Speaker 2>people who will make sandwiches, you know, because that's the thing,

0:37:53.760 --> 0:37:56.560
<v Speaker 2>and they will risk everything to make sandwiches. They will

0:37:56.640 --> 0:38:03.160
<v Speaker 2>risk everything to follow ice vehicles. Imagine following a murderer

0:38:03.200 --> 0:38:06.839
<v Speaker 2>down the street. This man's a murderer, yeah, mad right

0:38:06.880 --> 0:38:07.960
<v Speaker 2>here shoots people.

0:38:08.200 --> 0:38:10.000
<v Speaker 1>Well, not just that, right, this person has the power

0:38:10.080 --> 0:38:11.799
<v Speaker 1>to kill me and not face consequences.

0:38:11.880 --> 0:38:15.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what they're shouting at people. Yeah, and everyone

0:38:15.200 --> 0:38:18.239
<v Speaker 2>is shouting at at them. Yeah yeah, and it works.

0:38:18.560 --> 0:38:22.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And it's people who you wouldn't expect the people

0:38:22.480 --> 0:38:26.680
<v Speaker 1>he would expect, both together alongside each other. Yeah. I

0:38:26.719 --> 0:38:29.960
<v Speaker 1>think a lot about how like how much things have

0:38:30.080 --> 0:38:33.759
<v Speaker 1>changed in this country in a year. Lots of it's bad, right,

0:38:34.120 --> 0:38:38.279
<v Speaker 1>But like, abolish ice was a pretty niche position in

0:38:38.320 --> 0:38:41.919
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty. Let me tell you you didn't really hear it, right,

0:38:42.200 --> 0:38:44.720
<v Speaker 1>Abolish ice is a compromise position.

0:38:44.400 --> 0:38:48.799
<v Speaker 2>Now as the centrist position. Yeah, that is reform ice

0:38:49.080 --> 0:38:49.640
<v Speaker 2>center right.

0:38:50.000 --> 0:38:53.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I reform ice is in some parts of

0:38:53.440 --> 0:38:56.120
<v Speaker 1>the Republican body right. Abolish ice is pretty much in

0:38:56.160 --> 0:38:57.280
<v Speaker 1>between the two. Yeah.

0:38:57.360 --> 0:38:59.279
<v Speaker 2>The political parties haven't caught up to this fact.

0:38:59.760 --> 0:39:02.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but they'd never do. They always take longer than

0:39:02.920 --> 0:39:05.440
<v Speaker 1>everyone else. But let me tell you, there was you know,

0:39:05.600 --> 0:39:08.360
<v Speaker 1>what would Ronald Reagan guy do when you've lost the

0:39:08.400 --> 0:39:11.759
<v Speaker 1>what would Ronald Reagan guy do? You're in fucking trouble? Yeah,

0:39:12.320 --> 0:39:12.960
<v Speaker 1>this country?

0:39:13.080 --> 0:39:15.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I love how it's like we talked to

0:39:15.640 --> 0:39:17.920
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people with a lot of different political ideas.

0:39:18.120 --> 0:39:23.320
<v Speaker 2>Most people didn't have. This is my political ideology expressed. Yeah,

0:39:23.480 --> 0:39:26.800
<v Speaker 2>but like you know, people are like just blunt, like, well,

0:39:27.360 --> 0:39:29.400
<v Speaker 2>it would be better if the politicians were doing it

0:39:29.920 --> 0:39:30.520
<v Speaker 2>and they're not.

0:39:31.440 --> 0:39:33.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's this lady who Again, the lady said, oh,

0:39:33.600 --> 0:39:35.799
<v Speaker 1>there's are local cops. You don't have to worry about them. Yeah.

0:39:35.960 --> 0:39:38.600
<v Speaker 1>A couple of days later it turned out. But she

0:39:39.160 --> 0:39:41.640
<v Speaker 1>was like, it would be great about politicians are with us,

0:39:41.640 --> 0:39:43.799
<v Speaker 1>but they're not. So we're gonna do it ourselves. Yeah,

0:39:44.280 --> 0:39:47.080
<v Speaker 1>that's all you need. The lady's done more anarchism than

0:39:47.120 --> 0:39:50.360
<v Speaker 1>your your average internet anarchist who's out there fed posting

0:39:50.360 --> 0:39:53.919
<v Speaker 1>every day. Yeah all right, Yeah that's really all you need.

0:39:54.120 --> 0:39:56.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well we're gonna take one more ad break.

0:39:56.680 --> 0:39:58.960
<v Speaker 1>That's all you really need is advertisements.

0:39:59.160 --> 0:40:11.560
<v Speaker 2>And it goes a little something like this, and we're back.

0:40:12.800 --> 0:40:16.440
<v Speaker 2>I feel warmed in my belly by those advertisements.

0:40:16.680 --> 0:40:19.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, hopere do you buy something that you don't need?

0:40:20.239 --> 0:40:22.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I hopefully you skip past them.

0:40:22.239 --> 0:40:25.000
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, you know, maybe double tap the old headphone button.

0:40:25.080 --> 0:40:26.360
<v Speaker 1>It normally goes twenty seconds.

0:40:26.360 --> 0:40:28.520
<v Speaker 2>See the problem is that I like, I don't usually

0:40:28.560 --> 0:40:31.240
<v Speaker 2>I listen to a lot of podcasts, and I don't

0:40:31.280 --> 0:40:33.320
<v Speaker 2>have cooler zone media because I have Android.

0:40:33.719 --> 0:40:35.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah so I have to.

0:40:37.000 --> 0:40:40.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know, so I the ads come home.

0:40:40.200 --> 0:40:42.400
<v Speaker 1>Remember if you tag I write, Okay, if you have

0:40:42.400 --> 0:40:43.560
<v Speaker 1>any issues regarding the.

0:40:43.640 --> 0:40:46.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, that'll that will definitely work.

0:40:46.880 --> 0:40:47.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:40:47.560 --> 0:40:49.400
<v Speaker 2>And so sometimes when I'm like, because I listen to

0:40:49.400 --> 0:40:52.200
<v Speaker 2>a lot of podcasts while I'm like doing like woodworking

0:40:52.360 --> 0:40:55.120
<v Speaker 2>or like yeah yeah doing some of my hands. Yeah,

0:40:55.160 --> 0:40:57.239
<v Speaker 2>and so I like am like, I don't want to

0:40:57.280 --> 0:40:58.960
<v Speaker 2>put down the saw in order.

0:40:59.200 --> 0:41:03.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeahs, So I do it with my with my left

0:41:03.760 --> 0:41:09.879
<v Speaker 1>earlone against my shoulder. It's how I skip them. Yeah,

0:41:09.880 --> 0:41:13.600
<v Speaker 1>because I didn't have coolest own media either, but maybe

0:41:13.640 --> 0:41:16.880
<v Speaker 1>you do, which you only a diversion about ship that

0:41:16.920 --> 0:41:18.720
<v Speaker 1>doesn't bother you, Lucky, Lucky.

0:41:19.920 --> 0:41:22.160
<v Speaker 2>We will have a lot more reporting. This isn't the

0:41:22.239 --> 0:41:23.960
<v Speaker 2>end of the episode, but we'll have a lot more

0:41:24.040 --> 0:41:28.680
<v Speaker 2>reporting about Minneapolis and the structures that people are building,

0:41:28.680 --> 0:41:32.239
<v Speaker 2>and Minneapolis and Saint Paul and the outlying areas that

0:41:32.440 --> 0:41:34.600
<v Speaker 2>someone kind of correctly checked me on the fact that

0:41:34.600 --> 0:41:38.160
<v Speaker 2>I keep saying Minneapolis, it's just my day. Yeah, and

0:41:38.200 --> 0:41:40.680
<v Speaker 2>things are different, but things are different blocked by block,

0:41:41.320 --> 0:41:43.319
<v Speaker 2>but a lot of that we really want to kind

0:41:43.320 --> 0:41:44.960
<v Speaker 2>of do right and we're going to write scripted, but

0:41:45.000 --> 0:41:49.080
<v Speaker 2>we're just really kind of in it right now and

0:41:49.440 --> 0:41:51.040
<v Speaker 2>really want to talk about this and what part of

0:41:51.080 --> 0:41:52.600
<v Speaker 2>the reason we want to talk about this so soon

0:41:53.280 --> 0:41:56.560
<v Speaker 2>because things happen really fast, and just that everyone we've

0:41:56.560 --> 0:42:00.479
<v Speaker 2>talked to has told us that they they want people

0:42:00.480 --> 0:42:03.040
<v Speaker 2>to know. You know, the horrors are getting out on

0:42:03.080 --> 0:42:05.279
<v Speaker 2>some level, which is good. It is actually good that

0:42:05.320 --> 0:42:08.200
<v Speaker 2>people are learning all these horrible things, but a lot

0:42:08.200 --> 0:42:11.200
<v Speaker 2>of them, the scale of the resistance isn't getting out,

0:42:11.239 --> 0:42:14.839
<v Speaker 2>and the efficacy of the resistance isn't getting out, And

0:42:15.320 --> 0:42:18.120
<v Speaker 2>people want people to know because they want people to

0:42:18.160 --> 0:42:19.239
<v Speaker 2>know that they can do it too.

0:42:19.880 --> 0:42:24.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Like, so someone had like like a shocking these

0:42:24.000 --> 0:42:27.000
<v Speaker 1>Someone had a stupid opinion on the internet. Someone had

0:42:27.000 --> 0:42:30.399
<v Speaker 1>said that, like talking about this makes it dangerous cities people. No,

0:42:31.400 --> 0:42:33.120
<v Speaker 1>first of all, I.

0:42:33.000 --> 0:42:35.200
<v Speaker 2>Mean there are things that we don't know that we

0:42:35.200 --> 0:42:37.520
<v Speaker 2>shouldn't we wouldn't say, but like sure there are things

0:42:37.520 --> 0:42:39.960
<v Speaker 2>that yeah, yeah, there are things that we wouldn't ask

0:42:40.000 --> 0:42:41.960
<v Speaker 2>about or that people wouldn't give us interviews about if

0:42:41.960 --> 0:42:42.840
<v Speaker 2>you thought they were dangerous.

0:42:42.920 --> 0:42:46.400
<v Speaker 1>Right, But like, what makes it safe is that everyone

0:42:46.719 --> 0:42:49.759
<v Speaker 1>is doing it right. What makes us safe is that

0:42:49.800 --> 0:42:53.879
<v Speaker 1>there are more of us and what people asked us

0:42:54.000 --> 0:42:57.400
<v Speaker 1>to do with share this because they are safe for

0:42:57.480 --> 0:43:01.120
<v Speaker 1>review do it too. Yeah, right, there are hens of

0:43:01.360 --> 0:43:04.440
<v Speaker 1>millions of people who were just as outraged as that

0:43:04.520 --> 0:43:07.560
<v Speaker 1>older lady that we met on the first day. And

0:43:08.200 --> 0:43:12.160
<v Speaker 1>what keeps that lady safe and your neighbor safe and

0:43:12.200 --> 0:43:15.360
<v Speaker 1>her neighbor safe, and people who you've never met safe

0:43:15.440 --> 0:43:18.600
<v Speaker 1>and yourself? Yeah, and yourself is you doing it too? Right?

0:43:18.719 --> 0:43:22.719
<v Speaker 1>Like if it stops here, if you can't grab migrants

0:43:22.719 --> 0:43:25.319
<v Speaker 1>off the street here, then you can't grab dissidence off

0:43:25.320 --> 0:43:27.640
<v Speaker 1>the street somewhere else, right, And.

0:43:27.560 --> 0:43:32.160
<v Speaker 2>Like you know, we've seen all over graffiti and you know,

0:43:32.320 --> 0:43:36.200
<v Speaker 2>we saw a huge piece of graffiti at the ice

0:43:36.239 --> 0:43:36.759
<v Speaker 2>building base.

0:43:36.840 --> 0:43:38.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I read it into the mic. Actually it was

0:43:39.040 --> 0:43:39.920
<v Speaker 1>my mic was working.

0:43:40.640 --> 0:43:42.880
<v Speaker 3>First it came to the undocumented, and I said nothing

0:43:42.920 --> 0:43:46.200
<v Speaker 3>because I wasn't undocumented. Then they came for the Somalis,

0:43:46.640 --> 0:43:49.399
<v Speaker 3>and I said nothing because I was not Somali. Then

0:43:49.440 --> 0:43:51.840
<v Speaker 3>they came for the activists, and I said nothing, for

0:43:52.000 --> 0:43:53.200
<v Speaker 3>I was not an activist.

0:43:53.640 --> 0:43:54.480
<v Speaker 1>Then they came for me.

0:43:58.280 --> 0:44:01.560
<v Speaker 2>I am so grateful that we live in a generation

0:44:01.640 --> 0:44:02.920
<v Speaker 2>that has read that poem.

0:44:03.320 --> 0:44:05.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, and seem to be taking it to harm.

0:44:06.040 --> 0:44:08.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and more people have than I thought. And I

0:44:08.120 --> 0:44:11.360
<v Speaker 2>think I think all the time about solidarity shocked to

0:44:11.440 --> 0:44:11.719
<v Speaker 2>know this.

0:44:13.320 --> 0:44:13.520
<v Speaker 1>You know.

0:44:13.680 --> 0:44:16.120
<v Speaker 2>Obviously, the moment that makes me cry on the most

0:44:16.160 --> 0:44:18.680
<v Speaker 2>regular basis is, of course, the charge of the Rohrom,

0:44:18.680 --> 0:44:21.680
<v Speaker 2>when the riders of Rohan ride to Gondor to face

0:44:21.719 --> 0:44:25.120
<v Speaker 2>the anyway, even though Gondor wasn't there for them. Where

0:44:25.239 --> 0:44:28.200
<v Speaker 2>was Gondor? But part of the reason that I love

0:44:28.320 --> 0:44:30.800
<v Speaker 2>solidarity so much is because, like I keep joking that

0:44:30.840 --> 0:44:33.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to write the Misanthropic Introvert Guide to Socialism

0:44:34.400 --> 0:44:39.239
<v Speaker 2>m hm, because like I misanthropic introvert at that heart, right,

0:44:39.400 --> 0:44:42.279
<v Speaker 2>I also love people, right, yeah, and I most I

0:44:42.320 --> 0:44:43.640
<v Speaker 2>love most people over there.

0:44:44.520 --> 0:44:45.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah.

0:44:45.160 --> 0:44:51.000
<v Speaker 2>And I grew up not proud to say, pretty self interested, right,

0:44:51.200 --> 0:44:54.040
<v Speaker 2>and I was like very lost in my own head

0:44:54.120 --> 0:44:58.320
<v Speaker 2>and kind of selfish. And and I very quickly esuponed

0:44:58.360 --> 0:45:02.760
<v Speaker 2>as meeting anarchists and meeting people who believed in responsibility

0:45:02.760 --> 0:45:07.840
<v Speaker 2>and freedom was like, oh, I am safer and more

0:45:08.080 --> 0:45:12.359
<v Speaker 2>free and more able to express my full self if

0:45:12.360 --> 0:45:14.160
<v Speaker 2>I am part of a community of solidarity.

0:45:14.520 --> 0:45:14.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:45:14.880 --> 0:45:19.480
<v Speaker 2>And so even though in the immediate moment it is

0:45:19.640 --> 0:45:23.319
<v Speaker 2>more dangerous, like there's the old joke about like you

0:45:23.320 --> 0:45:25.120
<v Speaker 2>don't have to be faster than the barrier. You just

0:45:25.120 --> 0:45:26.280
<v Speaker 2>have to be faster than your friend.

0:45:26.520 --> 0:45:27.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:45:27.160 --> 0:45:29.360
<v Speaker 2>That is the single worst idea in the world.

0:45:29.840 --> 0:45:31.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because then bandstart eating people.

0:45:32.080 --> 0:45:35.120
<v Speaker 2>Right. So if there is a monster and you can

0:45:35.160 --> 0:45:38.359
<v Speaker 2>outrun someone, so you think you're safe, you now have

0:45:38.440 --> 0:45:39.640
<v Speaker 2>to be the fastest person.

0:45:39.880 --> 0:45:42.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, right, you're safe until you're not.

0:45:42.400 --> 0:45:44.880
<v Speaker 2>To be part of a community that turns around and

0:45:44.920 --> 0:45:49.160
<v Speaker 2>fights the monster might be more dangerous for yourself in

0:45:49.200 --> 0:45:55.480
<v Speaker 2>the immediate sense. And being someone who stands up is that, Yeah,

0:45:55.520 --> 0:45:58.560
<v Speaker 2>it is that saying like, well, even though in the

0:45:58.760 --> 0:46:02.239
<v Speaker 2>short term is more dangerous for me to stand up,

0:46:03.360 --> 0:46:06.680
<v Speaker 2>by having been participated in a society where we stand

0:46:06.760 --> 0:46:09.320
<v Speaker 2>up for each other, I am safer.

0:46:09.600 --> 0:46:10.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:46:10.200 --> 0:46:12.600
<v Speaker 2>And so even if that means like my literal death,

0:46:13.560 --> 0:46:16.799
<v Speaker 2>like I will have been safer, even if you get

0:46:16.840 --> 0:46:18.759
<v Speaker 2>like weirdly utilitarian about.

0:46:18.480 --> 0:46:22.400
<v Speaker 1>It, yeah, and aggregate, you are safer. Yeah, and so

0:46:22.600 --> 0:46:23.400
<v Speaker 1>is everyone else.

0:46:23.520 --> 0:46:25.560
<v Speaker 2>And so it's not a it's not a charity, it's

0:46:25.600 --> 0:46:26.960
<v Speaker 2>a it's a solidarity.

0:46:27.040 --> 0:46:29.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, No, like solidarity is in a sense it's in

0:46:29.239 --> 0:46:31.040
<v Speaker 1>your own self interest, because we want to live in

0:46:31.080 --> 0:46:33.239
<v Speaker 1>a world where people will take care of each other, right,

0:46:33.680 --> 0:46:37.719
<v Speaker 1>not just better, you know, like yeah, just in case

0:46:37.760 --> 0:46:40.000
<v Speaker 1>we need to be taken care of. Right, But because

0:46:40.040 --> 0:46:42.840
<v Speaker 1>I often think about that, I think it's John Stuart

0:46:42.880 --> 0:46:45.120
<v Speaker 1>mill Right asked not for him the bell tolls, The

0:46:45.120 --> 0:46:48.319
<v Speaker 1>bell tolls for thee. Like what he's saying there is

0:46:48.400 --> 0:46:53.160
<v Speaker 1>not what's that bell ringing. What he's saying is I

0:46:53.320 --> 0:46:58.560
<v Speaker 1>participate in humanity, and so when humanity is devalued in

0:46:58.600 --> 0:47:02.600
<v Speaker 1>his case talking about bell unary bell, right, when humanity

0:47:02.680 --> 0:47:07.640
<v Speaker 1>is devalued, my humanity is devalued. Yeah, And therefore, in

0:47:07.680 --> 0:47:09.920
<v Speaker 1>this case where the bell is ringing for me, I

0:47:09.960 --> 0:47:13.000
<v Speaker 1>am a human and when they undermine our common humanity,

0:47:13.080 --> 0:47:16.200
<v Speaker 1>therefore they undermine this thing that I have. And I

0:47:16.280 --> 0:47:19.920
<v Speaker 1>won't let them do that because I participate in humanity,

0:47:19.960 --> 0:47:22.600
<v Speaker 1>and so, as it happens, does a person who's been

0:47:22.680 --> 0:47:27.080
<v Speaker 1>subjected to inhuman violence. And so I will stand up

0:47:27.080 --> 0:47:29.239
<v Speaker 1>for humanity, and in doing so, I will stand up

0:47:29.320 --> 0:47:32.520
<v Speaker 1>for making a humanity that will stand up for me. Yeah,

0:47:32.560 --> 0:47:35.120
<v Speaker 1>And like I think about a lot because John McCain

0:47:35.239 --> 0:47:39.080
<v Speaker 1>wrote it in an obituary for the last American Yeah,

0:47:39.200 --> 0:47:43.000
<v Speaker 1>Lincoln Brigade volunteer. And I don't agree with John McCain

0:47:43.120 --> 0:47:46.440
<v Speaker 1>on anything really, yeah, right, but I do on that

0:47:47.000 --> 0:47:50.000
<v Speaker 1>and like I was thinking about that today when I

0:47:50.000 --> 0:47:51.279
<v Speaker 1>saw what would Ronald Reagan do?

0:47:51.360 --> 0:47:53.319
<v Speaker 2>Guy. Yeah, because Joan mckaye is the man who believe something.

0:47:53.360 --> 0:47:54.640
<v Speaker 2>He believed things I don't agree with.

0:47:54.840 --> 0:47:58.319
<v Speaker 1>Yah, a lot of racist shit. Yeah. John McCain clearly

0:47:58.320 --> 0:48:00.279
<v Speaker 1>thought that the Lincoln Brigadios were on the right side

0:48:00.280 --> 0:48:03.680
<v Speaker 1>of history, right, right, And like Winston Churchill's nephew fort

0:48:03.680 --> 0:48:07.719
<v Speaker 1>in the International Brigades, right, folks with whom I share

0:48:07.840 --> 0:48:11.000
<v Speaker 1>very little in terms of politics. A lot of British

0:48:11.120 --> 0:48:14.600
<v Speaker 1>upper class people fought in the International Brigades. Yeah, they

0:48:14.600 --> 0:48:16.960
<v Speaker 1>probably weren't anarchists, but they were anti fascists. They were

0:48:17.000 --> 0:48:19.359
<v Speaker 1>better anti fascists than the people who stayed at home.

0:48:19.480 --> 0:48:22.080
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, you couldn't tweet in nineteen thirty six, but

0:48:22.120 --> 0:48:24.640
<v Speaker 1>they would have been if they could. Yeah, right, because

0:48:24.680 --> 0:48:27.120
<v Speaker 1>they were willing to put their bodies on the line. Yea.

0:48:27.719 --> 0:48:29.640
<v Speaker 1>And many of them died. Many of them are buried

0:48:29.680 --> 0:48:33.640
<v Speaker 1>in Smain, and Spanish people remember them fondly. Right. They

0:48:33.680 --> 0:48:38.040
<v Speaker 1>have annual ceremonies to remember the sacrifice they made before

0:48:38.040 --> 0:48:40.440
<v Speaker 1>any of the people who are attending those ceremonies are alive.

0:48:40.880 --> 0:48:45.160
<v Speaker 1>And if more people had said, yeah, I'll go right

0:48:45.239 --> 0:48:47.920
<v Speaker 1>like the bells ringing for me. Yeah, I'm not going

0:48:47.960 --> 0:48:50.160
<v Speaker 1>to stand for a world where this happens. I'm going

0:48:50.200 --> 0:48:52.920
<v Speaker 1>to fight for one where it doesn't. Then we might

0:48:52.920 --> 0:48:55.040
<v Speaker 1>not have had the Holocaust, right, we might not have

0:48:55.080 --> 0:48:57.480
<v Speaker 1>had the Second World War. We might not have had Stalingrad.

0:48:57.640 --> 0:49:00.640
<v Speaker 2>And also all the people who found Stalingrad are the

0:49:00.640 --> 0:49:02.799
<v Speaker 2>reasons that didn't get worse. Yeah, yeah, right, World War

0:49:02.840 --> 0:49:05.239
<v Speaker 2>two could have been worse. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it would

0:49:05.239 --> 0:49:07.320
<v Speaker 2>have been worse if people hadn't fought.

0:49:07.440 --> 0:49:10.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah right, yeah, we had stanning Gred, so the Holocaust

0:49:10.080 --> 0:49:13.319
<v Speaker 1>wasn't more so that Western Europe doesn't speak German. Yeah right,

0:49:13.440 --> 0:49:16.200
<v Speaker 1>Like every single one of those people who stood up

0:49:16.239 --> 0:49:18.520
<v Speaker 1>to stop that probably wished that they'd stood up earlier,

0:49:18.920 --> 0:49:20.719
<v Speaker 1>And every single one of those people who stood up

0:49:20.719 --> 0:49:22.839
<v Speaker 1>earlier probably wish that more people had joined them.

0:49:22.920 --> 0:49:23.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:49:23.480 --> 0:49:25.680
<v Speaker 1>I think about that a lot. It's not news to

0:49:25.680 --> 0:49:27.360
<v Speaker 1>anyone who listened to this that I wrote my PhD

0:49:27.440 --> 0:49:31.960
<v Speaker 1>understand a civil Warrant, think about it every day. Yeah yeah.

0:49:31.960 --> 0:49:33.960
<v Speaker 2>If you wanted the non dramatic version of all this,

0:49:34.080 --> 0:49:35.320
<v Speaker 2>you're listening to the wrong too podcast.

0:49:35.400 --> 0:49:39.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, yeah, But I think a lot about like

0:49:39.200 --> 0:49:41.880
<v Speaker 1>what we should learn from that? Right. I translated a

0:49:41.960 --> 0:49:45.880
<v Speaker 1>piece for a zene as Strangers in the Tangled.

0:49:45.480 --> 0:49:49.960
<v Speaker 2>Will Oh Yeah, it's a publishing collective that I work with.

0:49:50.120 --> 0:49:54.040
<v Speaker 1>And I translated a piece by a Belgian anarchist who's

0:49:54.040 --> 0:49:57.720
<v Speaker 1>referred to as a constellation of acronyms. Right, but Charles

0:49:57.800 --> 0:50:00.880
<v Speaker 1>Riddle was his birth name. Louis mill A Vega was

0:50:00.920 --> 0:50:02.760
<v Speaker 1>his name he lived with for most of his life.

0:50:03.280 --> 0:50:06.279
<v Speaker 1>And he wrote this piece called Refuting the Legend, where

0:50:06.280 --> 0:50:10.280
<v Speaker 1>he talks about like what he feels that he owes

0:50:10.600 --> 0:50:14.640
<v Speaker 1>the people who died, right, And I think about that lot,

0:50:14.760 --> 0:50:16.880
<v Speaker 1>Like the thing that he comes up with is that

0:50:16.920 --> 0:50:18.560
<v Speaker 1>he owes the people who died the truth so that

0:50:18.600 --> 0:50:20.960
<v Speaker 1>we can learn from it and do better. And he

0:50:20.960 --> 0:50:23.080
<v Speaker 1>shouldn't just make them into heroes. He should make them

0:50:23.080 --> 0:50:25.400
<v Speaker 1>into real people with flaws, so that people can understand

0:50:25.400 --> 0:50:27.719
<v Speaker 1>their flaws and they can know what we can do better.

0:50:27.760 --> 0:50:29.359
<v Speaker 1>And I think about that a lot. Right, so many

0:50:29.400 --> 0:50:32.960
<v Speaker 1>people have gone before us, so many brave people have

0:50:33.080 --> 0:50:37.799
<v Speaker 1>gone before us, and we owe it to them to learn, right,

0:50:38.440 --> 0:50:40.279
<v Speaker 1>and I think we have. Like when I was thinking

0:50:40.280 --> 0:50:42.239
<v Speaker 1>about this, when that older lady said to us, all,

0:50:42.360 --> 0:50:45.200
<v Speaker 1>my father was in the Second World War, Like, and

0:50:45.200 --> 0:50:46.960
<v Speaker 1>I think about it again when I saw the poem today,

0:50:47.000 --> 0:50:49.480
<v Speaker 1>like we have to learn from that experience, right, and

0:50:49.520 --> 0:50:52.680
<v Speaker 1>you'd have to stop it now, not when it comes

0:50:52.719 --> 0:50:54.040
<v Speaker 1>for you. Yeah. Yeah.

0:50:54.040 --> 0:50:56.680
<v Speaker 2>And the fact that we talked to multiple people, some

0:50:56.760 --> 0:50:58.600
<v Speaker 2>of their families had survived the Holocaust.

0:50:58.760 --> 0:51:01.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the reason they were in America in many cases

0:51:01.800 --> 0:51:03.399
<v Speaker 1>say grandparents have come here to feed the.

0:51:04.400 --> 0:51:06.759
<v Speaker 2>Who are making comparisons to that? And you're like, they're

0:51:07.200 --> 0:51:10.600
<v Speaker 2>they're not doing that lightly. And I feel like almost,

0:51:10.640 --> 0:51:12.600
<v Speaker 2>you know, when we talk with the sort of grandiose things,

0:51:12.680 --> 0:51:14.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm like I almost feel like I'm like, oh, we're

0:51:14.640 --> 0:51:17.160
<v Speaker 2>talking about people with whistles. We're like, yeah, but we're not.

0:51:17.760 --> 0:51:19.560
<v Speaker 2>I mean we are. We're talking about people with whistles.

0:51:19.960 --> 0:51:21.880
<v Speaker 1>Let's hope it stops a whistles.

0:51:21.440 --> 0:51:24.000
<v Speaker 2>Right, And that is what is effective right now? And

0:51:24.040 --> 0:51:27.960
<v Speaker 2>it like is you know, it's spreading something and it

0:51:27.960 --> 0:51:29.799
<v Speaker 2>it's going to be so interesting to see what comes

0:51:29.880 --> 0:51:32.200
<v Speaker 2>of this. Everything will be changing, you know, there's no

0:51:32.280 --> 0:51:34.680
<v Speaker 2>reason to specifically set up everything that you all do

0:51:34.800 --> 0:51:37.719
<v Speaker 2>in whatever city or town you live in exactly the

0:51:37.719 --> 0:51:40.400
<v Speaker 2>same as they do it here, but there's like so

0:51:40.480 --> 0:51:44.000
<v Speaker 2>many things to learn from them, and more than anything else,

0:51:44.120 --> 0:51:46.920
<v Speaker 2>the thing to learn from them is like you just

0:51:47.000 --> 0:51:50.400
<v Speaker 2>show up. Yeah, it's not that every single person in

0:51:50.440 --> 0:51:53.520
<v Speaker 2>the city has quit their job to do this full time, right,

0:51:53.560 --> 0:51:57.000
<v Speaker 2>Obviously economies don't function like that. But you don't have

0:51:57.000 --> 0:52:00.279
<v Speaker 2>to quit your job to walk outside your house when

0:52:00.320 --> 0:52:03.920
<v Speaker 2>you hear someone yell help, which is what is happening

0:52:04.280 --> 0:52:09.719
<v Speaker 2>with whistles and honking, right, and just spreading a culture

0:52:10.880 --> 0:52:14.919
<v Speaker 2>of we take care of each other and neighborliness, right,

0:52:15.040 --> 0:52:18.839
<v Speaker 2>And that is like, weirdly, fundamentally it is an American

0:52:19.080 --> 0:52:21.640
<v Speaker 2>cultural idea. We're just bad at it. We've kind of

0:52:21.640 --> 0:52:24.040
<v Speaker 2>forgotten a lot of it. Yeah, you know, it's like

0:52:24.800 --> 0:52:28.040
<v Speaker 2>because obviously isolation is a big part of American individualism

0:52:28.160 --> 0:52:30.360
<v Speaker 2>is a big part of it. But like everyone's a

0:52:30.360 --> 0:52:33.920
<v Speaker 2>little bit happy when they get to like, oh, you

0:52:33.960 --> 0:52:36.160
<v Speaker 2>need a you need a lawnmower, or.

0:52:36.120 --> 0:52:39.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, when I get to fix my neighbor's truck, Yeah, yeah,

0:52:39.320 --> 0:52:42.480
<v Speaker 1>I love that. Yeah, get out and give some moment

0:52:42.520 --> 0:52:42.879
<v Speaker 1>a change.

0:52:42.920 --> 0:52:44.800
<v Speaker 2>So and one of the things that we to to

0:52:44.840 --> 0:52:47.279
<v Speaker 2>maybe kind of end on, and the thing that I

0:52:47.320 --> 0:52:49.560
<v Speaker 2>want to end on, you know, we're asking people like

0:52:49.600 --> 0:52:53.080
<v Speaker 2>what they wish other people knew, what other people could know.

0:52:53.120 --> 0:52:54.680
<v Speaker 2>And there's a couple of things that people mentioned, and

0:52:54.680 --> 0:52:57.239
<v Speaker 2>we'll write more about this and pup podcasts more about this.

0:52:57.760 --> 0:53:00.880
<v Speaker 2>But one of the things that people mentioned is they

0:53:00.880 --> 0:53:04.760
<v Speaker 2>wish they had started earlier about knowing their neighbors. Obviously

0:53:04.760 --> 0:53:07.080
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't too late. It's the whole like like with

0:53:07.120 --> 0:53:09.080
<v Speaker 2>any kind of preparedness, right, You're like, you wish you

0:53:09.120 --> 0:53:12.520
<v Speaker 2>so heady, Yeah, but you know now is the best

0:53:12.719 --> 0:53:14.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, yesterday is the best time, and today is

0:53:14.600 --> 0:53:18.080
<v Speaker 2>the next best time. Yeah, right, And like just literally

0:53:18.160 --> 0:53:20.359
<v Speaker 2>knowing them, not necessarily becoming their friends, Like a lot

0:53:20.360 --> 0:53:22.040
<v Speaker 2>of people are like, no, I wasn't friends with them.

0:53:22.080 --> 0:53:24.359
<v Speaker 2>I just sort of knew them, you know. And then

0:53:24.400 --> 0:53:27.080
<v Speaker 2>also one of the other things that people just as

0:53:27.120 --> 0:53:30.279
<v Speaker 2>another thing people mentioned that they wanted people to know

0:53:31.320 --> 0:53:34.640
<v Speaker 2>is that when you build these networks, you need to

0:53:34.680 --> 0:53:38.400
<v Speaker 2>build autonomy into them at every level. You need to

0:53:38.480 --> 0:53:42.560
<v Speaker 2>build the idea that the person who is following Ice

0:53:43.239 --> 0:53:44.960
<v Speaker 2>is at the end of the day in charge of

0:53:45.000 --> 0:53:47.759
<v Speaker 2>how they do that. Yeah, Like even if you know,

0:53:47.840 --> 0:53:49.799
<v Speaker 2>you know, people are like, oh Ice is over here,

0:53:50.400 --> 0:53:53.600
<v Speaker 2>you can't say, everyone, go do this. You can someone

0:53:53.640 --> 0:53:59.480
<v Speaker 2>can suggest that, yeah, right, But having built autonomy into

0:53:59.520 --> 0:54:04.480
<v Speaker 2>these nets works makes them so much stronger, and in

0:54:04.520 --> 0:54:08.520
<v Speaker 2>an interesting way, partly because it makes them less predictable

0:54:08.560 --> 0:54:09.239
<v Speaker 2>to ice.

0:54:09.400 --> 0:54:11.200
<v Speaker 1>Right, because you never know what someone's going to, what

0:54:11.239 --> 0:54:13.360
<v Speaker 1>they're comfortable when they're not comfortable.

0:54:12.840 --> 0:54:17.840
<v Speaker 2>With Yeah, So like that is basically a diversity of

0:54:17.880 --> 0:54:22.080
<v Speaker 2>tactics makes movements strong. If they don't know how we

0:54:22.120 --> 0:54:25.160
<v Speaker 2>are going to behave they can't you know, and not

0:54:25.239 --> 0:54:29.239
<v Speaker 2>just like if everyone's rowdy, no, like, are going to

0:54:29.239 --> 0:54:32.279
<v Speaker 2>be real combination and when the rowdy and non rowdy

0:54:32.320 --> 0:54:35.759
<v Speaker 2>support people support each other. Anyway, those are the kind

0:54:35.800 --> 0:54:38.200
<v Speaker 2>of last thoughts I have before I actually sit down

0:54:38.239 --> 0:54:40.839
<v Speaker 2>and look at all my notes and write something real.

0:54:41.440 --> 0:54:46.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think for me, it's everyone here said that

0:54:46.239 --> 0:54:48.480
<v Speaker 1>like that. It was funny when people were like, we

0:54:48.480 --> 0:54:50.160
<v Speaker 1>were like, how do you start organizing? They were like,

0:54:50.800 --> 0:54:53.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, last July we had a blog party and

0:54:53.320 --> 0:54:56.799
<v Speaker 1>a potluck. Yeah, and it just seemed to be just

0:54:56.840 --> 0:55:00.440
<v Speaker 1>a thing until it became the foundation of thing that

0:55:00.520 --> 0:55:03.040
<v Speaker 1>exists now. Right. Yeah, if there's one thing you can do,

0:55:03.160 --> 0:55:05.200
<v Speaker 1>it won't cost you any money. It will take you

0:55:05.239 --> 0:55:07.279
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of time and it will probably make

0:55:07.320 --> 0:55:10.280
<v Speaker 1>your life better. It is go out on your block

0:55:10.360 --> 0:55:12.840
<v Speaker 1>and meet your neighbors. And I know that can be

0:55:12.920 --> 0:55:16.040
<v Speaker 1>hard for people. Yeah, I know it can be scary.

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<v Speaker 2>But we're talking like trans motherfuckers who are doing this too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, it's people who who have more

0:55:23.239 --> 0:55:25.759
<v Speaker 1>at stake than I do. Yeah, right, Like I'm the

0:55:25.800 --> 0:55:29.799
<v Speaker 1>cisgender white man. For people listening, the best thing you

0:55:29.800 --> 0:55:31.960
<v Speaker 1>can do is start to form community, and it could

0:55:32.000 --> 0:55:34.359
<v Speaker 1>be in so many ways. One thing that I really

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<v Speaker 1>like to do is like I have, throughout my life

0:55:37.680 --> 0:55:42.680
<v Speaker 1>developed certain skills and certain hobbies, and I love to

0:55:42.719 --> 0:55:45.640
<v Speaker 1>share those with people. You know, if there is someone

0:55:46.040 --> 0:55:48.719
<v Speaker 1>in my neighborhood they've got a bike outside, they're trying

0:55:48.719 --> 0:55:50.359
<v Speaker 1>to fix a puncha, I'm going to go help them

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<v Speaker 1>because I've done that ten thousand times.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. Whatever it is that is your thing that you

0:55:55.640 --> 0:55:57.239
<v Speaker 1>like to talk about, that you're good at, that you

0:55:57.320 --> 0:55:59.440
<v Speaker 1>know about, think of a way you could share that

0:55:59.480 --> 0:56:01.799
<v Speaker 1>with people. Maybe you like to bake, maybe you like

0:56:01.840 --> 0:56:05.000
<v Speaker 1>to knit, maybe whatever, it doesn't matter, It doesn't.

0:56:04.760 --> 0:56:07.040
<v Speaker 2>Oh, there's people with like free hats and scarves at

0:56:07.040 --> 0:56:07.399
<v Speaker 2>these things.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, you could just be the person who

0:56:09.719 --> 0:56:12.839
<v Speaker 1>knits the scarves. That's your way to contribute. If that's

0:56:12.840 --> 0:56:15.000
<v Speaker 1>your way to meet your neighbors, right, put on a

0:56:15.080 --> 0:56:17.239
<v Speaker 1>knitting circle, to put on a baking thing. I like

0:56:17.280 --> 0:56:19.799
<v Speaker 1>to grow plants, so I'm always growing plants, and I'm

0:56:20.200 --> 0:56:22.719
<v Speaker 1>stoked when my neighbors stop buy and say, hey, I

0:56:22.760 --> 0:56:25.520
<v Speaker 1>really like your basil plant and I want to make

0:56:25.800 --> 0:56:27.520
<v Speaker 1>which is how they pronounce it when they yes, they

0:56:27.520 --> 0:56:29.400
<v Speaker 1>do yeah when they say to me, because otherwise I

0:56:29.400 --> 0:56:31.120
<v Speaker 1>look at them and say, get out of my home,

0:56:32.160 --> 0:56:34.960
<v Speaker 1>you know. And if they want to make something, I

0:56:35.040 --> 0:56:37.080
<v Speaker 1>give them some, right, or if they say, hey, I

0:56:37.120 --> 0:56:38.719
<v Speaker 1>just need a couple of tomatoes, and I noticed, of

0:56:38.719 --> 0:56:41.880
<v Speaker 1>course I'm going to give them right. Whatever that is,

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<v Speaker 1>your neighbors away for a couple of weeks. Hey, do

0:56:44.120 --> 0:56:45.719
<v Speaker 1>you want me to look after the house? Your car

0:56:45.800 --> 0:56:48.040
<v Speaker 1>won't start? Let me jump it, right. I have one

0:56:48.040 --> 0:56:50.560
<v Speaker 1>of those little jumper packs. I love to use a

0:56:50.600 --> 0:56:51.479
<v Speaker 1>little jumper pack.

0:56:51.600 --> 0:56:53.399
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, if you have a tool and someone needs

0:56:53.400 --> 0:56:55.400
<v Speaker 2>to the tool, having a multi tool on you is

0:56:55.440 --> 0:56:57.600
<v Speaker 2>the best way to feel good all the time because

0:56:57.600 --> 0:56:59.800
<v Speaker 2>someone's like, oh I wish I had a rent, or

0:57:00.440 --> 0:57:02.640
<v Speaker 2>I wish yeah.

0:57:02.239 --> 0:57:05.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and there you go like Superman. Yeah, do those

0:57:05.239 --> 0:57:07.080
<v Speaker 1>things now. I know we have Margaret and I both

0:57:07.120 --> 0:57:11.080
<v Speaker 1>hop on about this, but like, this is how you

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<v Speaker 1>build a better world. It starts on your block. It

0:57:13.920 --> 0:57:16.800
<v Speaker 1>starts by building a better neighborhood, building a better street,

0:57:16.920 --> 0:57:20.240
<v Speaker 1>building a better apartment complex. Live in an apartment complex.

0:57:20.320 --> 0:57:22.240
<v Speaker 1>It could be hard to see people in apartment complexes

0:57:22.440 --> 0:57:24.440
<v Speaker 1>because people sort of get in the lift and put

0:57:24.480 --> 0:57:26.480
<v Speaker 1>the look at the floor. But a little sign up

0:57:26.760 --> 0:57:28.760
<v Speaker 1>just be like, hey, we're going to have a pot. Look, Hey,

0:57:29.560 --> 0:57:32.000
<v Speaker 1>the little bit in between the pavement and the road's

0:57:32.080 --> 0:57:33.840
<v Speaker 1>kind of fucked up. Anyone else want to help me

0:57:33.880 --> 0:57:36.919
<v Speaker 1>put some plants in it this springtime? You know. Yeah,

0:57:37.080 --> 0:57:41.400
<v Speaker 1>whatever it is that is your thing, start using that

0:57:41.480 --> 0:57:43.760
<v Speaker 1>to build community, because it's community that's going to get

0:57:43.800 --> 0:57:44.280
<v Speaker 1>you through this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And that's like, you know, I don't always like

0:57:46.880 --> 0:57:49.600
<v Speaker 2>targeting people, but I just when I'm in a new place,

0:57:49.640 --> 0:57:53.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm just like, hey, I just moved here. Nice to

0:57:53.440 --> 0:57:55.840
<v Speaker 2>meet you. I'm so and so. Do you need my

0:57:55.840 --> 0:57:58.160
<v Speaker 2>phone number? And I can do the kind of like,

0:57:58.440 --> 0:58:00.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, I want you to have my phone number

0:58:00.000 --> 0:58:01.560
<v Speaker 2>because I want to call me instead of the cops.

0:58:02.000 --> 0:58:05.240
<v Speaker 2>I'm being too loud, right, But like you're going to

0:58:05.280 --> 0:58:07.280
<v Speaker 2>make a little bit of a faux pas in certain

0:58:07.280 --> 0:58:11.560
<v Speaker 2>communities by being like, hey, we should know each other. Yeah,

0:58:11.720 --> 0:58:13.800
<v Speaker 2>but usually just to hey we should know each other

0:58:14.240 --> 0:58:16.200
<v Speaker 2>isn't actually offending as many people as you think.

0:58:16.320 --> 0:58:18.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like I know a lot of people don't live

0:58:18.240 --> 0:58:20.040
<v Speaker 1>in cities too, or some people were like I grew

0:58:20.120 --> 0:58:23.560
<v Speaker 1>up very very rural. Yeah, but actually like we had

0:58:23.600 --> 0:58:26.160
<v Speaker 1>to know each other because like there wasn't really anyone

0:58:26.200 --> 0:58:27.400
<v Speaker 1>else you could go, oh yeah.

0:58:27.400 --> 0:58:29.120
<v Speaker 2>In my mind, I'm like when I live rural, and

0:58:29.160 --> 0:58:30.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, that's how you have to know people.

0:58:31.000 --> 0:58:34.960
<v Speaker 1>Like yeah, like I remember someone's horse fell in. Wealthy

0:58:35.000 --> 0:58:37.200
<v Speaker 1>people had a swimming pool, Like yeah, I lifted the

0:58:37.200 --> 0:58:38.200
<v Speaker 1>horse out by myself.

0:58:38.360 --> 0:58:40.520
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, my neighbors pick out the pools walking out

0:58:40.600 --> 0:58:42.160
<v Speaker 2>of my property. Yeah, it's not as big of a

0:58:42.200 --> 0:58:44.800
<v Speaker 2>deal as lowers falling in, but just constantly my neighbors

0:58:44.880 --> 0:58:46.320
<v Speaker 2>like my pig got out again.

0:58:47.000 --> 0:58:49.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like like we there there are a million reasons

0:58:49.800 --> 0:58:52.240
<v Speaker 1>why in rural areas, or I'd hope you were you

0:58:52.240 --> 0:58:55.280
<v Speaker 1>would know people anyway. But again, like hey I'm so

0:58:55.400 --> 0:58:57.960
<v Speaker 1>and so I just moved here. I just wanted to say, Hi,

0:58:58.440 --> 0:59:01.240
<v Speaker 1>maybe you bake something whatever, take something go, but most

0:59:01.280 --> 0:59:03.040
<v Speaker 1>people aren't going to be mad at you. Yeah.

0:59:03.960 --> 0:59:08.560
<v Speaker 2>Well that's kind of our preliminary stuff and we're going

0:59:08.640 --> 0:59:10.160
<v Speaker 2>to be doing so much more with it, but we

0:59:10.240 --> 0:59:12.400
<v Speaker 2>just kind of wanted to get some ideas out while

0:59:12.400 --> 0:59:15.960
<v Speaker 2>we were both in the same place in this shockingly

0:59:16.000 --> 0:59:23.240
<v Speaker 2>beautiful city. Yeah, around people who are so fucking inspiring, Like, yeah,

0:59:23.320 --> 0:59:27.600
<v Speaker 2>everyone we talked to is so inspiring. And even if

0:59:27.640 --> 0:59:31.600
<v Speaker 2>the like the tragedy of it, you know, I feel

0:59:31.640 --> 0:59:34.560
<v Speaker 2>so weird being like, here's the hopeful stuff. When I'm

0:59:34.600 --> 0:59:40.640
<v Speaker 2>like we're describing it very horrible land of kidnappers, We're like,

0:59:40.960 --> 0:59:43.439
<v Speaker 2>it's just like literally kidnappers have descended upon the city

0:59:43.440 --> 0:59:45.320
<v Speaker 2>and like to kidnap people.

0:59:46.760 --> 0:59:48.200
<v Speaker 1>That will fund the kidnappings.

0:59:48.400 --> 0:59:50.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for cool people to cool stuff. That's the core

0:59:50.840 --> 0:59:52.840
<v Speaker 2>idea of the show is that when people, you know,

0:59:52.840 --> 0:59:55.040
<v Speaker 2>it's the intro, it's when people are trying to do

0:59:55.080 --> 0:59:57.360
<v Speaker 2>bad things, there's people trying to do good things. And

0:59:57.440 --> 1:00:01.200
<v Speaker 2>so that's why, uh, it's taking a break from history

1:00:01.240 --> 1:00:04.560
<v Speaker 2>content talk about something that's just fucking happening right now.

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<v Speaker 2>It is cool people doing cool stuff up here and

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<v Speaker 2>or maybe more than cool because it's freezing.

1:00:11.480 --> 1:00:13.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, freezing people doing cool stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, feel free to workshop at home, Yeah, a better

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<v Speaker 2>way to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I'm coming back from a

1:00:21.680 --> 1:00:24.680
<v Speaker 1>place more hopeful than I left. I know, that's my

1:00:24.680 --> 1:00:28.680
<v Speaker 1>my thing that I do. But like, I really believe

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<v Speaker 1>that in the darkest times we can build beautiful things.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't believe that any less after being here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's great thing about being a Goth. I'm beauty

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<v Speaker 2>and the dark stuff. That's like. Anyway, we will talk

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<v Speaker 2>to you all just for me next week and for

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<v Speaker 2>James who knows, probably freaking tomorrow. Yeah, a couple of

1:00:47.000 --> 1:00:52.919
<v Speaker 2>days here, yeah yeah, yeah, that my job was hard anyway. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>good luck with everyone, and take care of your neighbors

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<v Speaker 2>and fuck ice.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks everyone for listening to all of this. And if

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<v Speaker 2>at the end of this you are thinking that you

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<v Speaker 2>would like to help some of the people who are

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<v Speaker 2>on the ground, we ask people that we trusted on

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<v Speaker 2>the ground to provide us with links to different fundraisers

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<v Speaker 2>And basically I never share a fundraiser unless I can

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<v Speaker 2>support it with my whole heart, and I would support

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<v Speaker 2>it with my own wallet. The links themselves are going

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<v Speaker 2>to be in the show notes, but there's a couple

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<v Speaker 2>different ones. There's rent support for Neighbors and Phillips, which

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<v Speaker 2>is a neighborhood rent support for neighbors in Central Rent

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<v Speaker 2>support for Neighbors and Powderhorn Supplies for political art making,

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<v Speaker 2>Protective gear for legal observers, diapers and menstrual supplies is

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<v Speaker 2>another fundraiser. Abolish ice shirts including the shirt I am

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<v Speaker 2>wearing right now as I record this, North Star, Frontline

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<v Speaker 2>Street Medics and the Twin Cities swol A Tariot Aile

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<v Speaker 2>Fund and they'll be links to both Venmo and cash

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<v Speaker 2>app for that one. Anyway, Thank you to everyone and

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<v Speaker 2>take care of each other.

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