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Speaker 1: You, Hello, and welcome to cool People could happen here

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Speaker 1: it podcast, which is what happens when two podcasts love

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Speaker 1: I am one of your hosts today. My name is

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Speaker 1: James Stout and I'm very lucky to be joined by

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome to the thing that we're doing. M should

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Today is the twenty third.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the past for you.

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Speaker 2: The second realish, real general strike I've been to in

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I, on the other hand, was readers. I couldn't

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Speaker 1: get to my watch it was I knew it was

438
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Speaker 1: before noon, so I was looking for where the sun

439
00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:30,320
Speaker 1: was and I knew some celestial navigation, and at that

440
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Speaker 1: point we saw well, actually at that point, we went

441
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Speaker 1: to the train platform and a light rail train was

442
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Speaker 1: going not towards our carpet away from it. Yeah, but

443
00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,720
Speaker 1: it didn't open the doors when it came to the platform. Yeah.

444
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Speaker 2: We were like, we want to call though, I said.

445
00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:48,320
Speaker 1: Margaret, We're fucked. Margaret said get ready to run. I

446
00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:54,399
Speaker 1: guess yeah. And then as they were advancing towards us, comrade,

447
00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,440
Speaker 1: light rail train arrived. Everyone got on.

448
00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,560
Speaker 2: The train literally last minute.

449
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Speaker 1: Yeah, scootle straight past the police line.

450
00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:04,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

451
00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,080
Speaker 1: And then we got off and commenced walking around to

452
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Speaker 1: try and find a way back to our vehicle. Yeah.

453
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Speaker 2: So that was our morning. That was I mean, whatever,

454
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,199
Speaker 2: it's weird, the party is least affected, but to be

455
00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,480
Speaker 2: like really just transparent about it. This is the coldest

456
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Speaker 2: day of my life. I've experienced negative temperatures before. Yeah,

457
00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,560
Speaker 2: I haven't experienced negative thirty something windchill.

458
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

459
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Speaker 2: Like we were seeing people getting off the light rail.

460
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:35,760
Speaker 2: Everyone's eye lashes had frost in them.

461
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

462
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Speaker 2: Anyway, just to just to keep hitting that point, well,

463
00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:40,600
Speaker 2: like that was one.

464
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Speaker 1: Of my concerns with detainment, right with like corps ledgendarily

465
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Speaker 1: don't treat people in their custody very well, right, and

466
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Speaker 1: I was very worried about right two, they did seem

467
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Speaker 1: to be getting the people they arrested quickly on that bus. Yeah,

468
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,000
Speaker 1: but like that was my worries, right. You get if

469
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Speaker 1: you lose a glove when you're being handcuffed, that's not

470
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Speaker 1: a that's you know, that's serious.

471
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like maybe you lose your fingers now at

472
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Speaker 2: the end of that like, because it's like genuinely like

473
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Speaker 2: a I know, we keep harping on it, but it's

474
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 2: just it's a it's a present characteristic. Yeah, my car

475
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:11,959
Speaker 2: is a mess right now because we can't clean it

476
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 2: because that involves standing outside in like negative eighteen or whatever.

477
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Speaker 2: The fuck.

478
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Speaker 1: All of these numbers have become meaningless to me at

479
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Speaker 1: this point anyway. You know what keeps me warm, Margaret,

480
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Speaker 1: the handwarmers we purchase with the money that we get

481
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,119
Speaker 1: from advertisements. Yeah. I was gonna say, thinking about thinking

482
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Speaker 1: about how the products and services support the show love

483
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Speaker 1: to support me and the work I do. But I

484
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,440
Speaker 1: don't think they actually know what I do and look.

485
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Speaker 2: Listen to numbers to be honest, Yeah, I think they

486
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:43,920
Speaker 2: don't hear our transitions shit, and they don't And here

487
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Speaker 2: they are.

488
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Speaker 1: Enter back.

489
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Speaker 2: So we we go to this and then we go

490
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Speaker 2: to the clear highlight of the day, which is the

491
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Speaker 2: ice call crashed and yeah, yeah, that is when we

492
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 2: decided we got to we we received word that an

493
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 2: ice vehicle had t boned telephone.

494
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

495
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was doing a blue sky thread and I

496
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 2: was like, Nope, that's a shorter thread.

497
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Speaker 1: Because we gotta go. Yeah. I'm not as good as

498
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,920
Speaker 1: Margaret is at skating when I'm at things, so I'm

499
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Speaker 1: so used to being in places where it would be

500
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 1: a risky to everyone involved. Yeah, posted I was there. Yeah,

501
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,160
Speaker 1: so we yeah, we go, right, we park a few

502
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 1: bucks away. Once we see flashing lights. Yeah, we start

503
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 1: booging up the street at fast walk pace, which is

504
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 1: about as fast as you're gonna go when it's an

505
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 1: inch of ice on everything. Yeah, and we see this

506
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Speaker 1: car that has faired. There's traffic coming roundabout that. Clearly

507
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 1: they were not expecting to be there. It looks like

508
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 1: they've they've been trying to go straight over to roundabout

509
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Speaker 1: and have.

510
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're just like the front of their car is

511
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Speaker 2: just crashed in a fifteen mile per hour street.

512
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, like a street where like you would expect

513
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Speaker 1: a trial to be riding a bicycle in the summer.

514
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's like it's one of those streets that's

515
00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 2: like cars on both sides one one lane that two

516
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 2: cars have to pass each other by backing up. Yeah,

517
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 2: and they clearly just blew through it. They don't give

518
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 2: a fuck. And that's like a thing we've heard over

519
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,199
Speaker 2: and over from the people who tail them is that

520
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 2: they they drive erradically, they drive, they drive recklessly because

521
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 2: they are they think they're immune to all consequences. Yeah,

522
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 2: and they are. They are until someone like the only

523
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 2: people giving them consequences are the people of the city,

524
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Speaker 2: not in the city itself or the state.

525
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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the thing. Actually, I'll just I have

526
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Speaker 1: spent more time than nearly everyone at the southern border

527
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Speaker 1: of the United States, in more places right in California,

528
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Speaker 1: in Texas, in New Mexico, in Arizona, ave been up

529
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Speaker 1: and down the border. There is one thing that unites

530
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Speaker 1: the border experience, be it on torn or Tumb Reservation

531
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Speaker 1: in Arizona, be in San Diego being New Mexico, or

532
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,399
Speaker 1: in the Rio Grand Valley of Texas, and it is

533
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Speaker 1: that border patrols driving is a risk to everyone, and

534
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 1: you can hear the most straight up right wing people.

535
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 1: I think. I love what they're doing. I don't want

536
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 1: the Margarets in my country, but I wish they wouldn't

537
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 1: drive like digs and like they've killed people on the

538
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 1: Autumn reservation, right, Like this is serious and that what

539
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: is happening once again is that the border is coming

540
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Speaker 1: to a city and people are seeing this is not new,

541
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 1: it's new here.

542
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Speaker 2: The driving erratically is such a perfect though example of

543
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 2: like what power does to people, Like you have an

544
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 2: unaccountable force, and they will do horrible things. Yeah, they

545
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 2: will do major horrible things like kidnapping people, and they'll

546
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 2: do heady I don't care, I am just drunk on

547
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Speaker 2: power things.

548
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Speaker 1: Or they will leave the cars and drive when they

549
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Speaker 1: pull them out right, like the second topic the park,

550
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 1: or like yeah, in this case, they will case a

551
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Speaker 1: telephone pole.

552
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 2: Right anyway, So then we decide we're going to the

553
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 2: big march downtown. Yeah, you know, because the general strike

554
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,159
Speaker 2: has a component that is a big march downtown. And

555
00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 2: the single most important thing about that to me was

556
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:05,239
Speaker 2: again to keep harping on it the cold because I

557
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 2: know a lot of people who go to these sorts

558
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 2: of marches, right, and these are the sorts of marches

559
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 2: that a lot of people go to who don't necessarily

560
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 2: do a ton of other political activity. Although here it

561
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 2: probably feels a little different because a lot of the

562
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 2: people go into that march who probably are the kind

563
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Speaker 2: of sign holding going to the big march kind of

564
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 2: people are also quite possibly at the very least showing

565
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Speaker 2: up on air whistles.

566
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you doing the work right, the buying the groceries

567
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: whatever it is. Yeah, like I think one thing I

568
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 1: was started. So we're walking towards march, and it is

569
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Speaker 1: one of the genies that you gets a lot when

570
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: you're going to a big action, right, You feel like

571
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: a salmon and everyone's just swimming up the swimming in

572
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 1: the stream together or you know whatever, tuna and you're

573
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: all going towards the same space. And that's cool. That's

574
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 1: always nice to feel the size. And then we get

575
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: there and it's big, like there's a lot of people,

576
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,439
Speaker 1: and it's cold, Like, I know, we keep popping on

577
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 1: about the cold. It is cold as shit. Margaret's ear

578
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: was a little bit out. We were both worried about

579
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,679
Speaker 1: Margaret's ear. Yeah, like it's you want to ensure it,

580
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: like skin coverage in these temperatures. Yeah, we get there

581
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 1: and like so they're meeting in like a big square

582
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,479
Speaker 1: and then they're marching through the street, right, Yeah, and

583
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: there are also people on like there are internal walkways

584
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 1: between buildings above the street and all of them around

585
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: with people with signs or cheering and stuff. And the

586
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: thing I noticed as we got there was like immediately

587
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 1: we set foot in that square, we're once again being

588
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 1: offered hot cocoa handwarmers. There's a guy with like a

589
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: you know, there's orange insulated containers. They use it like sports,

590
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: like a gator. He's got soup in it. Yeah, he's

591
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: backpacking the supers. It's vegan and gluten free and he's

592
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: handing out soup. There are multiple people who have just

593
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 1: set up to care for people because it's cold and

594
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: people might need caring for, right, Like, there are all

595
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 1: kinds of facilities there to like look after folk. Yeah,

596
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: we received I have some hand warmers. I think you

597
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 1: and I both took some hand warmers. And there wasn't

598
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: at least where we were like a speaker, there was

599
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: some chanting. Yeah, at this point, like I would love

600
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: to include to be a role of chanting. Unfortunately it

601
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: was so cold that both my voice recorders refused to work.

602
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, one by one, every electronic device that James

603
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 2: brought ate shit, and I like, you know, I'm much

604
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 2: you'll listen to my shit. I'm much more of a

605
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 2: ViBe's podcaster where I like just observe and then write

606
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,959
Speaker 2: everything down. James is a proper podcaster and journalist and like, uh,

607
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 2: you know, as b roll of things, not.

608
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: As much today yet, everybody, my voice recorder, which has

609
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: been through the Darien Gap as it tended this Syrian

610
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: civil war, it's been to the place where the US

611
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: dropped a nuclear bomb. It didn't make it out of Minneapolis.

612
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: It's gone to Valhalla now, yeah, which is sad. I

613
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: even tried to record on my phone, but my phone

614
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: just black screened.

615
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 2: On me like this comedy.

616
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was pretty funny when when the cell phone tied,

617
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: it was like previously I had been painting a picture

618
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: fuel using my nose to unlock the phone and then

619
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Speaker 1: like actuate apps because I didn't want to take my

620
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: glove off.

621
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 2: We would we would take turns taking our hands out

622
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 2: of gloves to touch buttons on things.

623
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, or to like adjust you chose clothes, or like, yeah,

624
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: someone watched me doing the phone thing and they gave

625
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: me a nod like yeah doing the nose phone Yeah yeah.

626
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 2: Yeah totally, and like I don't know, I just I

627
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 2: keep talking about how the sense of togetherness it's inspiring. Like,

628
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 2: full disclosure, I'm not a big rally person. I'm much

629
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 2: personally more interested in mutual aid and direct action. I'm

630
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 2: disinterested in it when it seems like a way for

631
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 2: people to check off that they've done their resistance.

632
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely if that feels like you're warm, fuzzy and

633
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: that's all you want.

634
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 2: But in this case, it was more I don't know

635
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 2: for certain, it was more of a warm fuzzy for

636
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 2: people who we were also just doing this hard thing

637
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 2: day in and day out.

638
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: It felt like when you and your friends, like, you know,

639
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: when you're doing a hard, long, neutral aid thing, right,

640
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: you know, like or let's say you're engaged in a

641
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: project that feeds people every week and once a year

642
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: you get together and have a dinner together. Right, it

643
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 1: felt a bit like that, or like yeah, you know

644
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: a little bit like when we were feeding people in

645
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 1: the desert. We would sit down afterwards and talking about

646
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: this with someone Today, we would like eat vegan MRIs

647
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: out of the packets like people eat go goots, Yeah,

648
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: because we were too tired to walk off food while

649
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: we were hungry. But we would just spend a little

650
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: bit of time in community and celebrate what we've done.

651
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: What was cool though, was like sometimes after those big

652
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: actions you feel a little lonely, but like it felt

653
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: like that was just everyone going over there, but like

654
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: there was also everyone elsewhere as you kind of went

655
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: around the city, you know, right, Like it wasn't like

656
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: that was the end of it.

657
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I was I was worried it would, you know,

658
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 2: draw people away from other things. But you know, even

659
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 2: this huge crowd was only a tiny portion of the

660
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 2: people doing things in the city. People are still doing things.

661
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 2: And at one point I was like, hey, it's maybe

662
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 2: it's Thursday. We were like, hey, we still less people

663
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 2: out today. Was that because the cold was starting to

664
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 2: dry people inside? And we talked to someone and they're like, no,

665
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 2: ice was less out today than it was yesterday. But

666
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 2: if ice had come out, all of those people would

667
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 2: have come out again. They were all staged and ready

668
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 2: to go. And one of the things, actually, the warm

669
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 2: fuzzy thing that feeling. One of the things that we

670
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 2: talked to is that people are very aware that they're

671
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 2: organizing for the long haul. Like yeah, you know, I again,

672
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 2: I'm I don't have the news in front of me.

673
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 2: But the word on the ground here is people being like,

674
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 2: we think ice might be here till June, right, and

675
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 2: so people are like, how do we do that?

676
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: You know?

677
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 2: And one of the things is that, like there are

678
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:50,959
Speaker 2: people providing things to the people doing things, you know,

679
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 2: the people whose job is to provide things for other

680
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 2: people or having people provide things for them.

681
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

682
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's this moment I think about all the time.

683
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 2: I'll accidentally do like the you know. It was at

684
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 2: this protest in the Netherlands and the cops try to

685
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,719
Speaker 2: grab my friend. Yeah, and they try to grab him

686
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 2: because he's screaming the Netherlands as a police state, which

687
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 2: they try to make their point by trying to grab him, right,

688
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 2: So everyone holds on to him, So the cops start

689
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 2: just beating the crap out of the people holding on

690
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 2: to him. So people start grabbing onto the people who

691
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 2: are holding on to the person they start trying to

692
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 2: beat the people who are holding on to the people

693
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 2: who a holding on to the people who are holding

694
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 2: on to the people. By the time he gets to

695
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 2: like four layers out, the cops are just like, yeah,

696
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 2: fucking yeah, fuck this all right. The center person is

697
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 2: never arrested, you know. And that's what solidarity is. But

698
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 2: that's also a lot of the mutual aid stuff, like

699
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 2: we're talking about to people who are like, yeah, we

700
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 2: work day in and day out on this stuff, and

701
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 2: other people are like massage therapists and regular therapists are

702
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 2: talking with us, you know, and like people are building

703
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 2: the infrastructure to try and make it sustainable and who knows,

704
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 2: I don't know whether you can truly sustain what's happening here, right,

705
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 2: but like they're going to fucking try.

706
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. The way I like to explain anarchism to people

707
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: who's there's sometimes the confusion, right that people think anarchism

708
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: is a predilection for chaos and violence, and that's not

709
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: what it is. I like to explain the anarchism at

710
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: its core is building ways of caring for one another

711
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: that don't reinforce ways of controlling one another. Yeah, And

712
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: that's what people are doing here, right.

713
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, under any name.

714
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't mean the rest of it is really ephemeral.

715
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 2: A lot of them are anarchists, but not not anywhere

716
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 2: near the majority of them.

717
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think that we can use what Gym's

718
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: got called the anarchist squint, right, and see, yes, people

719
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: building networks here that make the state unnecessary. Yeah, irrelevant

720
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: right now. Understand violence is still very much relevant, but others. Right,

721
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: the Feds are going to cut funding. Yeah, they can

722
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: cut foodstamps in Minnesota. Yeah, people are still going to

723
00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: get food to their neighbors. Right. They can cut education funding.

724
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 1: We heard that there are schools which have a very

725
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: diverse background. And by the diverse here, I don't just

726
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: mean like people of different races, but also people of

727
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: different income brackets, right, And the wealthier parents are like,

728
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: which families aren't able to work? How do I help

729
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:16,879
Speaker 1: them make their rent? Yeah? Oh god.

730
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 2: It was funny when yeah people were like, oh, you

731
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 2: know the thing where like the rich parents are like

732
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:27,439
Speaker 2: really excited to help everyone and feed everyone. I was like, no, that, Yeah,

733
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 2: that's how you realize that's not the stereotype like.

734
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 1: It should be. Yeah, it should be. Well, I think

735
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,760
Speaker 1: folks are really like, huh, what do the world without

736
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: these people look like worse? I don't want that? Yeah, Like,

737
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 1: what do I have that I can use to stop that?

738
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 1: I have my time, I have my body, I have

739
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 1: my money. Let me give them all of them? Yeah, yeah,

740
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 1: I thought that was very cool. I think the the

741
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: specific thing that has made people. I saw little signs

742
00:34:58,080 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 1: they have the name for one of the guys from

743
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: like Liam, the young, very very young kid, right, the

744
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: five year old kid with the Superman but when it

745
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 1: was yeah, grabbed the spider Man. Yeah, he was grabbed

746
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: the other day. I saw a lot of people with

747
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: science about.

748
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,320
Speaker 2: That, Like it made me want to cry. And just

749
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 2: seeing the signs.

750
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, these little outrages continue to bring people out

751
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: of their safe, warm comfort bubbles and be like no,

752
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: like I am going to do whatever it takes, my money,

753
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,720
Speaker 1: my time, whatever, right.

754
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know William van s Bronson. Yes, for people

755
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 2: who are listening, there was a an IWW member named

756
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 2: William von s Bronson who was killed by ice a

757
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 2: number of years ago now because he decided that he

758
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 2: would go and try to set some ice stuff on

759
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 2: fire middle of the night.

760
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was buses, right, unoccupied buses to

761
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 1: be clear.

762
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, middle of the night, empty buses, the buses that

763
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 2: they're using to kidnap people, and the cops showed up

764
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:52,399
Speaker 2: and killed them.

765
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: Yeah right.

766
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 2: And he was seen as kind of this, this lone

767
00:35:56,120 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 2: wing nut. Yeah, you know, and I'm watching it and

768
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 2: I'm like, this man is going to be written about

769
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 2: history books as like a guy actually started doing something

770
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 2: early about this. And it is his statement that he wrote.

771
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 2: I'm not telling people that this was a wise action

772
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 2: for him to have taken, whatever, you know, But in

773
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 2: his statement he wrote he wrote a line something like,

774
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 2: I am off to fulfill my childhood promise to myself

775
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 2: to be noble, and like he knew he was going

776
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 2: to die doing that actually, right. That certainly seems to

777
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:33,879
Speaker 2: be the tone from the letter. But that line the

778
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 2: idea of fulfilling your promise to yourself to be noble,

779
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 2: And the thing that is beautiful here is that you

780
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 2: can now do that with people and effectively. And I

781
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 2: think that a lot of the things that stop people

782
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 2: from taking action is a belief that it would be

783
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 2: shot in the dark, it would be alone thing, it

784
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 2: wouldn't it wouldn't accomplish anything, right, because most actions you

785
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 2: can take yourself don't accomplish nearly as much. And to

786
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 2: be clear that the people who built rapid response networks

787
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 2: here they learn from other cities. They learn from Chicago,

788
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 2: who learned from la Right, that is the lineage that

789
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:19,280
Speaker 2: I've heard presented, but they have developed and expanded because

790
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 2: this is actually a bigger thing than operation on ices,

791
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 2: part than either of those. But so people can do

792
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 2: We've been put on this earth to do, which is

793
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 2: be our best selves. And I think that there's even

794
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 2: as hard as it is for people, I think that

795
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 2: there's a dark beauty that they get to know who

796
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 2: they are, and they get to know that they are

797
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 2: people who will make sandwiches, you know, because that's the thing,

798
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 2: and they will risk everything to make sandwiches. They will

799
00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 2: risk everything to follow ice vehicles. Imagine following a murderer

800
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 2: down the street. This man's a murderer, yeah, mad right

801
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 2: here shoots people.

802
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: Well, not just that, right, this person has the power

803
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 1: to kill me and not face consequences.

804
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what they're shouting at people. Yeah, and everyone

805
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 2: is shouting at at them. Yeah yeah, and it works.

806
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:22,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's people who you wouldn't expect the people

807
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: he would expect, both together alongside each other. Yeah. I

808
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: think a lot about how like how much things have

809
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 1: changed in this country in a year. Lots of it's bad, right,

810
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 1: But like, abolish ice was a pretty niche position in

811
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,919
Speaker 1: twenty twenty. Let me tell you you didn't really hear it, right,

812
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,720
Speaker 1: Abolish ice is a compromise position.

813
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 2: Now as the centrist position. Yeah, that is reform ice

814
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 2: center right.

815
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I reform ice is in some parts of

816
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: the Republican body right. Abolish ice is pretty much in

817
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:57,280
Speaker 1: between the two. Yeah.

818
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 2: The political parties haven't caught up to this fact.

819
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they'd never do. They always take longer than

820
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 1: everyone else. But let me tell you, there was you know,

821
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 1: what would Ronald Reagan guy do when you've lost the

822
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 1: what would Ronald Reagan guy do? You're in fucking trouble? Yeah,

823
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: this country?

824
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I love how it's like we talked to

825
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 2: a lot of people with a lot of different political ideas.

826
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 2: Most people didn't have. This is my political ideology expressed. Yeah,

827
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 2: but like you know, people are like just blunt, like, well,

828
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 2: it would be better if the politicians were doing it

829
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 2: and they're not.

830
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's this lady who Again, the lady said, oh,

831
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 1: there's are local cops. You don't have to worry about them. Yeah.

832
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: A couple of days later it turned out. But she

833
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: was like, it would be great about politicians are with us,

834
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 1: but they're not. So we're gonna do it ourselves. Yeah,

835
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: that's all you need. The lady's done more anarchism than

836
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 1: your your average internet anarchist who's out there fed posting

837
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,919
Speaker 1: every day. Yeah all right, Yeah that's really all you need.

838
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, well we're gonna take one more ad break.

839
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: That's all you really need is advertisements.

840
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 2: And it goes a little something like this, and we're back.

841
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 2: I feel warmed in my belly by those advertisements.

842
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, hopere do you buy something that you don't need?

843
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hopefully you skip past them.

844
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, you know, maybe double tap the old headphone button.

845
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 1: It normally goes twenty seconds.

846
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 2: See the problem is that I like, I don't usually

847
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,240
Speaker 2: I listen to a lot of podcasts, and I don't

848
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 2: have cooler zone media because I have Android.

849
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 1: Yeah so I have to.

850
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, so I the ads come home.

851
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: Remember if you tag I write, Okay, if you have

852
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: any issues regarding the.

853
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that'll that will definitely work.

854
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

855
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 2: And so sometimes when I'm like, because I listen to

856
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 2: a lot of podcasts while I'm like doing like woodworking

857
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 2: or like yeah yeah doing some of my hands. Yeah,

858
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 2: and so I like am like, I don't want to

859
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 2: put down the saw in order.

860
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:03,720
Speaker 1: Yeahs, So I do it with my with my left

861
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 1: earlone against my shoulder. It's how I skip them. Yeah,

862
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: because I didn't have coolest own media either, but maybe

863
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: you do, which you only a diversion about ship that

864
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:18,720
Speaker 1: doesn't bother you, Lucky, Lucky.

865
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 2: We will have a lot more reporting. This isn't the

866
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 2: end of the episode, but we'll have a lot more

867
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 2: reporting about Minneapolis and the structures that people are building,

868
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 2: and Minneapolis and Saint Paul and the outlying areas that

869
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 2: someone kind of correctly checked me on the fact that

870
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 2: I keep saying Minneapolis, it's just my day. Yeah, and

871
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 2: things are different, but things are different blocked by block,

872
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 2: but a lot of that we really want to kind

873
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 2: of do right and we're going to write scripted, but

874
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 2: we're just really kind of in it right now and

875
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 2: really want to talk about this and what part of

876
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 2: the reason we want to talk about this so soon

877
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 2: because things happen really fast, and just that everyone we've

878
00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:00,479
Speaker 2: talked to has told us that they they want people

879
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 2: to know. You know, the horrors are getting out on

880
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 2: some level, which is good. It is actually good that

881
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 2: people are learning all these horrible things, but a lot

882
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 2: of them, the scale of the resistance isn't getting out,

883
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 2: and the efficacy of the resistance isn't getting out, And

884
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 2: people want people to know because they want people to

885
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 2: know that they can do it too.

886
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. Like, so someone had like like a shocking these

887
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: Someone had a stupid opinion on the internet. Someone had

888
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,399
Speaker 1: said that, like talking about this makes it dangerous cities people. No,

889
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: first of all, I.

890
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 2: Mean there are things that we don't know that we

891
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 2: shouldn't we wouldn't say, but like sure there are things

892
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 2: that yeah, yeah, there are things that we wouldn't ask

893
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 2: about or that people wouldn't give us interviews about if

894
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 2: you thought they were dangerous.

895
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: Right, But like, what makes it safe is that everyone

896
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: is doing it right. What makes us safe is that

897
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,879
Speaker 1: there are more of us and what people asked us

898
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 1: to do with share this because they are safe for

899
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: review do it too. Yeah, right, there are hens of

900
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: millions of people who were just as outraged as that

901
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: older lady that we met on the first day. And

902
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: what keeps that lady safe and your neighbor safe and

903
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 1: her neighbor safe, and people who you've never met safe

904
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 1: and yourself? Yeah, and yourself is you doing it too? Right?

905
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 1: Like if it stops here, if you can't grab migrants

906
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 1: off the street here, then you can't grab dissidence off

907
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: the street somewhere else, right, And.

908
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 2: Like you know, we've seen all over graffiti and you know,

909
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 2: we saw a huge piece of graffiti at the ice

910
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 2: building base.

911
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I read it into the mic. Actually it was

912
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: my mic was working.

913
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 3: First it came to the undocumented, and I said nothing

914
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 3: because I wasn't undocumented. Then they came for the Somalis,

915
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,399
Speaker 3: and I said nothing because I was not Somali. Then

916
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 3: they came for the activists, and I said nothing, for

917
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 3: I was not an activist.

918
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 1: Then they came for me.

919
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 2: I am so grateful that we live in a generation

920
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 2: that has read that poem.

921
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and seem to be taking it to harm.

922
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and more people have than I thought. And I

923
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 2: think I think all the time about solidarity shocked to

924
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 2: know this.

925
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: You know.

926
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 2: Obviously, the moment that makes me cry on the most

927
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 2: regular basis is, of course, the charge of the Rohrom,

928
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 2: when the riders of Rohan ride to Gondor to face

929
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 2: the anyway, even though Gondor wasn't there for them. Where

930
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 2: was Gondor? But part of the reason that I love

931
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,800
Speaker 2: solidarity so much is because, like I keep joking that

932
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 2: I'm going to write the Misanthropic Introvert Guide to Socialism

933
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 2: m hm, because like I misanthropic introvert at that heart, right,

934
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 2: I also love people, right, yeah, and I most I

935
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 2: love most people over there.

936
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.

937
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 2: And I grew up not proud to say, pretty self interested, right,

938
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 2: and I was like very lost in my own head

939
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 2: and kind of selfish. And and I very quickly esuponed

940
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:02,760
Speaker 2: as meeting anarchists and meeting people who believed in responsibility

941
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 2: and freedom was like, oh, I am safer and more

942
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 2: free and more able to express my full self if

943
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 2: I am part of a community of solidarity.

944
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

945
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 2: And so even though in the immediate moment it is

946
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 2: more dangerous, like there's the old joke about like you

947
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 2: don't have to be faster than the barrier. You just

948
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:26,280
Speaker 2: have to be faster than your friend.

949
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

950
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 2: That is the single worst idea in the world.

951
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, because then bandstart eating people.

952
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 2: Right. So if there is a monster and you can

953
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 2: outrun someone, so you think you're safe, you now have

954
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 2: to be the fastest person.

955
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, right, you're safe until you're not.

956
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 2: To be part of a community that turns around and

957
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 2: fights the monster might be more dangerous for yourself in

958
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 2: the immediate sense. And being someone who stands up is that, Yeah,

959
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 2: it is that saying like, well, even though in the

960
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 2: short term is more dangerous for me to stand up,

961
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 2: by having been participated in a society where we stand

962
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 2: up for each other, I am safer.

963
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

964
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 2: And so even if that means like my literal death,

965
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 2: like I will have been safer, even if you get

966
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 2: like weirdly utilitarian about.

967
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 1: It, yeah, and aggregate, you are safer. Yeah, and so

968
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 1: is everyone else.

969
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 2: And so it's not a it's not a charity, it's

970
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 2: a it's a solidarity.

971
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, like solidarity is in a sense it's in

972
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: your own self interest, because we want to live in

973
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 1: a world where people will take care of each other, right,

974
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 1: not just better, you know, like yeah, just in case

975
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: we need to be taken care of. Right, But because

976
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 1: I often think about that, I think it's John Stuart

977
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: mill Right asked not for him the bell tolls, The

978
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 1: bell tolls for thee. Like what he's saying there is

979
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: not what's that bell ringing. What he's saying is I

980
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: participate in humanity, and so when humanity is devalued in

981
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: his case talking about bell unary bell, right, when humanity

982
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: is devalued, my humanity is devalued. Yeah, And therefore, in

983
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: this case where the bell is ringing for me, I

984
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: am a human and when they undermine our common humanity,

985
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: therefore they undermine this thing that I have. And I

986
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: won't let them do that because I participate in humanity,

987
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: and so, as it happens, does a person who's been

988
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 1: subjected to inhuman violence. And so I will stand up

989
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 1: for humanity, and in doing so, I will stand up

990
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: for making a humanity that will stand up for me. Yeah,

991
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: And like I think about a lot because John McCain

992
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: wrote it in an obituary for the last American Yeah,

993
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: Lincoln Brigade volunteer. And I don't agree with John McCain

994
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: on anything really, yeah, right, but I do on that

995
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: and like I was thinking about that today when I

996
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 1: saw what would Ronald Reagan do?

997
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 2: Guy. Yeah, because Joan mckaye is the man who believe something.

998
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 2: He believed things I don't agree with.

999
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 1: Yah, a lot of racist shit. Yeah. John McCain clearly

1000
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: thought that the Lincoln Brigadios were on the right side

1001
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: of history, right, right, And like Winston Churchill's nephew fort

1002
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: in the International Brigades, right, folks with whom I share

1003
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: very little in terms of politics. A lot of British

1004
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: upper class people fought in the International Brigades. Yeah, they

1005
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 1: probably weren't anarchists, but they were anti fascists. They were

1006
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 1: better anti fascists than the people who stayed at home.

1007
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: And yeah, you couldn't tweet in nineteen thirty six, but

1008
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: they would have been if they could. Yeah, right, because

1009
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: they were willing to put their bodies on the line. Yea.

1010
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: And many of them died. Many of them are buried

1011
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: in Smain, and Spanish people remember them fondly. Right. They

1012
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 1: have annual ceremonies to remember the sacrifice they made before

1013
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 1: any of the people who are attending those ceremonies are alive.

1014
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: And if more people had said, yeah, I'll go right

1015
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 1: like the bells ringing for me. Yeah, I'm not going

1016
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: to stand for a world where this happens. I'm going

1017
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: to fight for one where it doesn't. Then we might

1018
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: not have had the Holocaust, right, we might not have

1019
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: had the Second World War. We might not have had Stalingrad.

1020
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 2: And also all the people who found Stalingrad are the

1021
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 2: reasons that didn't get worse. Yeah, yeah, right, World War

1022
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 2: two could have been worse. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it would

1023
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 2: have been worse if people hadn't fought.

1024
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeah, we had stanning Gred, so the Holocaust

1025
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 1: wasn't more so that Western Europe doesn't speak German. Yeah right,

1026
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: Like every single one of those people who stood up

1027
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: to stop that probably wished that they'd stood up earlier,

1028
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: And every single one of those people who stood up

1029
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:22,839
Speaker 1: earlier probably wish that more people had joined them.

1030
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1031
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: I think about that a lot. It's not news to

1032
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 1: anyone who listened to this that I wrote my PhD

1033
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: understand a civil Warrant, think about it every day. Yeah yeah.

1034
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 2: If you wanted the non dramatic version of all this,

1035
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:35,320
Speaker 2: you're listening to the wrong too podcast.

1036
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, But I think a lot about like

1037
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 1: what we should learn from that? Right. I translated a

1038
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 1: piece for a zene as Strangers in the Tangled.

1039
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 2: Will Oh Yeah, it's a publishing collective that I work with.

1040
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: And I translated a piece by a Belgian anarchist who's

1041
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:57,720
Speaker 1: referred to as a constellation of acronyms. Right, but Charles

1042
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 1: Riddle was his birth name. Louis mill A Vega was

1043
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:02,760
Speaker 1: his name he lived with for most of his life.

1044
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 1: And he wrote this piece called Refuting the Legend, where

1045
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:10,280
Speaker 1: he talks about like what he feels that he owes

1046
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: the people who died, right, And I think about that lot,

1047
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 1: Like the thing that he comes up with is that

1048
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 1: he owes the people who died the truth so that

1049
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: we can learn from it and do better. And he

1050
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: shouldn't just make them into heroes. He should make them

1051
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 1: into real people with flaws, so that people can understand

1052
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 1: their flaws and they can know what we can do better.

1053
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 1: And I think about that a lot. Right, so many

1054
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: people have gone before us, so many brave people have

1055
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 1: gone before us, and we owe it to them to learn, right,

1056
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 1: and I think we have. Like when I was thinking

1057
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 1: about this, when that older lady said to us, all,

1058
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: my father was in the Second World War, Like, and

1059
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 1: I think about it again when I saw the poem today,

1060
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: like we have to learn from that experience, right, and

1061
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: you'd have to stop it now, not when it comes

1062
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: for you. Yeah. Yeah.

1063
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 2: And the fact that we talked to multiple people, some

1064
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 2: of their families had survived the Holocaust.

1065
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, the reason they were in America in many cases

1066
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:03,399
Speaker 1: say grandparents have come here to feed the.

1067
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 2: Who are making comparisons to that? And you're like, they're

1068
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 2: they're not doing that lightly. And I feel like almost,

1069
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 2: you know, when we talk with the sort of grandiose things,

1070
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 2: I'm like I almost feel like I'm like, oh, we're

1071
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 2: talking about people with whistles. We're like, yeah, but we're not.

1072
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 2: I mean we are. We're talking about people with whistles.

1073
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 1: Let's hope it stops a whistles.

1074
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 2: Right, And that is what is effective right now? And

1075
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 2: it like is you know, it's spreading something and it

1076
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 2: it's going to be so interesting to see what comes

1077
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 2: of this. Everything will be changing, you know, there's no

1078
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 2: reason to specifically set up everything that you all do

1079
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 2: in whatever city or town you live in exactly the

1080
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 2: same as they do it here, but there's like so

1081
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 2: many things to learn from them, and more than anything else,

1082
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 2: the thing to learn from them is like you just

1083
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 2: show up. Yeah, it's not that every single person in

1084
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 2: the city has quit their job to do this full time, right,

1085
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 2: Obviously economies don't function like that. But you don't have

1086
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 2: to quit your job to walk outside your house when

1087
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 2: you hear someone yell help, which is what is happening

1088
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 2: with whistles and honking, right, and just spreading a culture

1089
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:14,919
Speaker 2: of we take care of each other and neighborliness, right,

1090
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:18,839
Speaker 2: And that is like, weirdly, fundamentally it is an American

1091
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 2: cultural idea. We're just bad at it. We've kind of

1092
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 2: forgotten a lot of it. Yeah, you know, it's like

1093
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 2: because obviously isolation is a big part of American individualism

1094
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 2: is a big part of it. But like everyone's a

1095
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 2: little bit happy when they get to like, oh, you

1096
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 2: need a you need a lawnmower, or.

1097
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, when I get to fix my neighbor's truck, Yeah, yeah,

1098
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah, get out and give some moment

1099
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:42,879
Speaker 1: a change.

1100
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 2: So and one of the things that we to to

1101
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 2: maybe kind of end on, and the thing that I

1102
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 2: want to end on, you know, we're asking people like

1103
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 2: what they wish other people knew, what other people could know.

1104
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 2: And there's a couple of things that people mentioned, and

1105
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 2: we'll write more about this and pup podcasts more about this.

1106
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 2: But one of the things that people mentioned is they

1107
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:04,760
Speaker 2: wish they had started earlier about knowing their neighbors. Obviously

1108
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 2: it wasn't too late. It's the whole like like with

1109
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 2: any kind of preparedness, right, You're like, you wish you

1110
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 2: so heady, Yeah, but you know now is the best

1111
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 2: you know, yesterday is the best time, and today is

1112
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 2: the next best time. Yeah, right, And like just literally

1113
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,359
Speaker 2: knowing them, not necessarily becoming their friends, Like a lot

1114
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 2: of people are like, no, I wasn't friends with them.

1115
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,359
Speaker 2: I just sort of knew them, you know. And then

1116
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 2: also one of the other things that people just as

1117
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 2: another thing people mentioned that they wanted people to know

1118
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 2: is that when you build these networks, you need to

1119
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 2: build autonomy into them at every level. You need to

1120
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 2: build the idea that the person who is following Ice

1121
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 2: is at the end of the day in charge of

1122
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 2: how they do that. Yeah, Like even if you know,

1123
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 2: you know, people are like, oh Ice is over here,

1124
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 2: you can't say, everyone, go do this. You can someone

1125
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 2: can suggest that, yeah, right, But having built autonomy into

1126
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 2: these nets works makes them so much stronger, and in

1127
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 2: an interesting way, partly because it makes them less predictable

1128
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 2: to ice.

1129
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: Right, because you never know what someone's going to, what

1130
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 1: they're comfortable when they're not comfortable.

1131
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 2: With Yeah, So like that is basically a diversity of

1132
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 2: tactics makes movements strong. If they don't know how we

1133
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 2: are going to behave they can't you know, and not

1134
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 2: just like if everyone's rowdy, no, like, are going to

1135
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 2: be real combination and when the rowdy and non rowdy

1136
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 2: support people support each other. Anyway, those are the kind

1137
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 2: of last thoughts I have before I actually sit down

1138
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 2: and look at all my notes and write something real.

1139
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think for me, it's everyone here said that

1140
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 1: like that. It was funny when people were like, we

1141
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 1: were like, how do you start organizing? They were like,

1142
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 1: you know, last July we had a blog party and

1143
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 1: a potluck. Yeah, and it just seemed to be just

1144
00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 1: a thing until it became the foundation of thing that

1145
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: exists now. Right. Yeah, if there's one thing you can do,

1146
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 1: it won't cost you any money. It will take you

1147
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 1: a little bit of time and it will probably make

1148
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:10,280
Speaker 1: your life better. It is go out on your block

1149
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 1: and meet your neighbors. And I know that can be

1150
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 1: hard for people. Yeah, I know it can be scary.

1151
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 2: But we're talking like trans motherfuckers who are doing this too.

1152
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, it's people who who have more

1153
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 1: at stake than I do. Yeah, right, Like I'm the

1154
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 1: cisgender white man. For people listening, the best thing you

1155
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 1: can do is start to form community, and it could

1156
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,359
Speaker 1: be in so many ways. One thing that I really

1157
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 1: like to do is like I have, throughout my life

1158
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 1: developed certain skills and certain hobbies, and I love to

1159
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 1: share those with people. You know, if there is someone

1160
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 1: in my neighborhood they've got a bike outside, they're trying

1161
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:50,359
Speaker 1: to fix a puncha, I'm going to go help them

1162
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: because I've done that ten thousand times.

1163
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:53,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1164
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 1: Right. Whatever it is that is your thing that you

1165
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 1: like to talk about, that you're good at, that you

1166
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 1: know about, think of a way you could share that

1167
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 1: with people. Maybe you like to bake, maybe you like

1168
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: to knit, maybe whatever, it doesn't matter, It doesn't.

1169
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 2: Oh, there's people with like free hats and scarves at

1170
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:07,399
Speaker 2: these things.

1171
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you could just be the person who

1172
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:12,839
Speaker 1: knits the scarves. That's your way to contribute. If that's

1173
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 1: your way to meet your neighbors, right, put on a

1174
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 1: knitting circle, to put on a baking thing. I like

1175
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 1: to grow plants, so I'm always growing plants, and I'm

1176
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 1: stoked when my neighbors stop buy and say, hey, I

1177
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: really like your basil plant and I want to make

1178
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 1: which is how they pronounce it when they yes, they

1179
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 1: do yeah when they say to me, because otherwise I

1180
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 1: look at them and say, get out of my home,

1181
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 1: you know. And if they want to make something, I

1182
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 1: give them some, right, or if they say, hey, I

1183
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 1: just need a couple of tomatoes, and I noticed, of

1184
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 1: course I'm going to give them right. Whatever that is,

1185
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 1: your neighbors away for a couple of weeks. Hey, do

1186
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 1: you want me to look after the house? Your car

1187
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 1: won't start? Let me jump it, right. I have one

1188
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 1: of those little jumper packs. I love to use a

1189
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:51,479
Speaker 1: little jumper pack.

1190
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:53,399
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, if you have a tool and someone needs

1191
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 2: to the tool, having a multi tool on you is

1192
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 2: the best way to feel good all the time because

1193
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:59,800
Speaker 2: someone's like, oh I wish I had a rent, or

1194
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 2: I wish yeah.

1195
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there you go like Superman. Yeah, do those

1196
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 1: things now. I know we have Margaret and I both

1197
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 1: hop on about this, but like, this is how you

1198
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 1: build a better world. It starts on your block. It

1199
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 1: starts by building a better neighborhood, building a better street,

1200
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 1: building a better apartment complex. Live in an apartment complex.

1201
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: It could be hard to see people in apartment complexes

1202
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 1: because people sort of get in the lift and put

1203
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: the look at the floor. But a little sign up

1204
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: just be like, hey, we're going to have a pot. Look, Hey,

1205
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 1: the little bit in between the pavement and the road's

1206
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 1: kind of fucked up. Anyone else want to help me

1207
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:36,919
Speaker 1: put some plants in it this springtime? You know. Yeah,

1208
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 1: whatever it is that is your thing, start using that

1209
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 1: to build community, because it's community that's going to get

1210
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 1: you through this.

1211
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's like, you know, I don't always like

1212
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 2: targeting people, but I just when I'm in a new place,

1213
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 2: I'm just like, hey, I just moved here. Nice to

1214
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 2: meet you. I'm so and so. Do you need my

1215
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 2: phone number? And I can do the kind of like,

1216
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 2: you know, I want you to have my phone number

1217
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 2: because I want to call me instead of the cops.

1218
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 2: I'm being too loud, right, But like you're going to

1219
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 2: make a little bit of a faux pas in certain

1220
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 2: communities by being like, hey, we should know each other. Yeah,

1221
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 2: but usually just to hey we should know each other

1222
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 2: isn't actually offending as many people as you think.

1223
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I know a lot of people don't live

1224
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 1: in cities too, or some people were like I grew

1225
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 1: up very very rural. Yeah, but actually like we had

1226
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 1: to know each other because like there wasn't really anyone

1227
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 1: else you could go, oh yeah.

1228
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 2: In my mind, I'm like when I live rural, and

1229
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's how you have to know people.

1230
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 1: Like yeah, like I remember someone's horse fell in. Wealthy

1231
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: people had a swimming pool, Like yeah, I lifted the

1232
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 1: horse out by myself.

1233
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, my neighbors pick out the pools walking out

1234
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 2: of my property. Yeah, it's not as big of a

1235
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 2: deal as lowers falling in, but just constantly my neighbors

1236
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 2: like my pig got out again.

1237
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, like like we there there are a million reasons

1238
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 1: why in rural areas, or I'd hope you were you

1239
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 1: would know people anyway. But again, like hey I'm so

1240
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 1: and so I just moved here. I just wanted to say, Hi,

1241
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 1: maybe you bake something whatever, take something go, but most

1242
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: people aren't going to be mad at you. Yeah.

1243
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 2: Well that's kind of our preliminary stuff and we're going

1244
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 2: to be doing so much more with it, but we

1245
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 2: just kind of wanted to get some ideas out while

1246
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 2: we were both in the same place in this shockingly

1247
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 2: beautiful city. Yeah, around people who are so fucking inspiring, Like, yeah,

1248
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 2: everyone we talked to is so inspiring. And even if

1249
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 2: the like the tragedy of it, you know, I feel

1250
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 2: so weird being like, here's the hopeful stuff. When I'm

1251
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 2: like we're describing it very horrible land of kidnappers, We're like,

1252
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:43,439
Speaker 2: it's just like literally kidnappers have descended upon the city

1253
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 2: and like to kidnap people.

1254
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 1: That will fund the kidnappings.

1255
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, for cool people to cool stuff. That's the core

1256
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 2: idea of the show is that when people, you know,

1257
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 2: it's the intro, it's when people are trying to do

1258
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 2: bad things, there's people trying to do good things. And

1259
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 2: so that's why, uh, it's taking a break from history

1260
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 2: content talk about something that's just fucking happening right now.

1261
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 2: It is cool people doing cool stuff up here and

1262
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 2: or maybe more than cool because it's freezing.

1263
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, freezing people doing cool stuff.

1264
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, feel free to workshop at home, Yeah, a better

1265
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 2: way to do it.

1266
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I'm coming back from a

1267
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 1: place more hopeful than I left. I know, that's my

1268
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 1: my thing that I do. But like, I really believe

1269
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 1: that in the darkest times we can build beautiful things.

1270
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 1: And I don't believe that any less after being here.

1271
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great thing about being a Goth. I'm beauty

1272
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 2: and the dark stuff. That's like. Anyway, we will talk

1273
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 2: to you all just for me next week and for

1274
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 2: James who knows, probably freaking tomorrow. Yeah, a couple of

1275
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:52,919
Speaker 2: days here, yeah yeah, yeah, that my job was hard anyway. Yeah,

1276
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 2: good luck with everyone, and take care of your neighbors

1277
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 2: and fuck ice.

1278
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1279
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 2: Thanks everyone for listening to all of this. And if

1280
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 2: at the end of this you are thinking that you

1281
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 2: would like to help some of the people who are

1282
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 2: on the ground, we ask people that we trusted on

1283
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 2: the ground to provide us with links to different fundraisers

1284
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 2: And basically I never share a fundraiser unless I can

1285
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 2: support it with my whole heart, and I would support

1286
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 2: it with my own wallet. The links themselves are going

1287
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 2: to be in the show notes, but there's a couple

1288
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 2: different ones. There's rent support for Neighbors and Phillips, which

1289
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 2: is a neighborhood rent support for neighbors in Central Rent

1290
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 2: support for Neighbors and Powderhorn Supplies for political art making,

1291
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 2: Protective gear for legal observers, diapers and menstrual supplies is

1292
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 2: another fundraiser. Abolish ice shirts including the shirt I am

1293
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 2: wearing right now as I record this, North Star, Frontline

1294
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:52,959
Speaker 2: Street Medics and the Twin Cities swol A Tariot Aile

1295
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Speaker 2: Fund and they'll be links to both Venmo and cash

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Speaker 2: app for that one. Anyway, Thank you to everyone and

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Speaker 2: take care of each other.

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Speaker 1: Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff is a production of

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Speaker 1: cool Zone Media.

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Speaker 2: For more podcasts on cool Zone Media, visit our website

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Speaker 2: foolzonmedia dot com or check us out on the iHeartRadio app,

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Speaker 2: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.