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Speaker 1: Wow, what is up? Welcome to another edition of the

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Speaker 1: NFL Fantasy Football Show. It's me your man, nam G

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Speaker 1: Marcus Grant, still masking, socially distancing win and where necessary,

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Speaker 1: joined as always by Michael f Florio and producer Steve

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Speaker 1: and Uh Florio. I. I want to start with you

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Speaker 1: real quick because we had our whole you know, exit interviews.

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Speaker 1: We just finished those up last week. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I mentioned at some point that I have written a

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Speaker 1: column where I might have possibly talked myself into drafting

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Speaker 1: Mike GESICKI and and you told me that you should

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Speaker 1: have somebody nearby to kind of slap your hand whenever

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Speaker 1: you're thinking about it. Um, I apologize for laying down

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Speaker 1: on the job. If I had known you were going

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Speaker 1: to draft, might just a best ball, I would have,

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Speaker 1: you know, tweeted at you or something. What happened? Uh?

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Speaker 1: First of all, I guess it's a reason why maybe

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Speaker 1: having a slow day yesterday I figured why not jumping one?

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Speaker 1: And my plan was to get like Darren Waller in

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Speaker 1: round three if he fell, he didn't, so I started waiting,

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Speaker 1: and then there was a run on tight End and

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Speaker 1: I was like, you know what my strategy, I said

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Speaker 1: double digit rounds. So then in the middle of the

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Speaker 1: ninth round, almost the tenth round, Micasecki was still there

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Speaker 1: and then I took IRV Smith Jr. Who you know

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Speaker 1: I love as to double down on tight End. But

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Speaker 1: I needed you there, Marcus. I needed you to smack

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Speaker 1: my hand or or something. I'm happy you brought it up.

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Speaker 1: I tweeted you yesterday saying, please roast me because for

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Speaker 1: all the Micasecki hate I give, I drafted him myself. See,

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Speaker 1: and you know one of the things I wrote, it's

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Speaker 1: been you know, I'm gonna finish up at the four

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Speaker 1: But early on I made a joke about how, you know,

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Speaker 1: we tell ourselves that the tight end is deep, and

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Speaker 1: we're like, tight ends not deep, and you know, we

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Speaker 1: start kicking ourselves. But then next year comes around and

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Speaker 1: we do exactly what you did, were like, but like

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Speaker 1: the sicky in the tenth round, I mean, how can

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Speaker 1: I not? And then you know, you get talked to

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Speaker 1: him and you're like, I should not have. Um. It happens,

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Speaker 1: and look here's the thing. At least you're doing it

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Speaker 1: I need to not feel like, oh wow, tight end

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Speaker 1: gonna mess up all by real drafts that I play

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Speaker 1: out and not tight end early at all. Right, I

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Speaker 1: mean there's one thing to do, Like I, you know,

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Speaker 1: So I was trying to figure out last week what

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Speaker 1: buy a quick quick note on that. I was hoping

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Speaker 1: originally to gotta get our pal Matt Okata, are are

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Speaker 1: resident ask a nerd on here, because I know he's

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Speaker 1: talking some draft prospects. I promise we're gonna do that

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Speaker 1: the pulse of Lions Nation. This is where Steve comes in. Steve, Manny,

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Speaker 1: you are are It's funny since you have taken over

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Speaker 1: Jared Golf is there. How are Lions fans. I'm asking

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Speaker 1: thank you, Steve. And it's oh, look at you. Rockets

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Speaker 1: I can give you this one, Steve. Alright, perfect, that

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Speaker 1: How much does it impact golf going to Detroit? Does it?

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Speaker 1: didn't know what to think. I'll always have two Marcus

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Speaker 1: three touchdowns with Berserk and that was kind of the

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Speaker 1: last we saw of Tyler Higbee last year. Before we

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Speaker 1: move on real quick, one last thing, I think Van

431
00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,280
Speaker 1: Jefferson is a sleeper, maybe more for best ball, but

432
00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,520
Speaker 1: he could now that they have a down the fields quarterback,

433
00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,399
Speaker 1: maybe he could play that Brandon Cooks role from a

434
00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,640
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. I would be interesting too, because

435
00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:57,840
Speaker 1: he was the guy. Look, I think for for years

436
00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,720
Speaker 1: we've sort of been wondering when or if Josh Reynolds

437
00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,600
Speaker 1: was going to pop. Um, that's probably not gonna happen.

438
00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,600
Speaker 1: It's probably gonna be Van Jefferson now. But I do

439
00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,040
Speaker 1: think that's that's kind of an interesting interesting call there.

440
00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:11,560
Speaker 1: I like that. Um the other big quarterback news. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Nick Sirianni, the new head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles,

442
00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:18,520
Speaker 1: says he is evaluating Carson Wentz. Jalen Hurts says, competition

443
00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:22,439
Speaker 1: is the core value. Which look, man, that that to

444
00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:26,240
Speaker 1: me things that Carson Wentz is on the hot seat. Um.

445
00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:28,800
Speaker 1: I mean, here's a guy that you made your franchise

446
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,399
Speaker 1: quarterback that you gave a big contract to. Then you

447
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,760
Speaker 1: go out and you draft another guy, and by the

448
00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:35,879
Speaker 1: end of the year, that other guy is starting because

449
00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:39,600
Speaker 1: your franchise guy is struggling. Now they're in a competition

450
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:43,640
Speaker 1: with one another. Um. Look, Kevin Patra, who does great

451
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:45,679
Speaker 1: work for around the NFL, we wrote about this and

452
00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,000
Speaker 1: he had a good point where he said, you know, yes,

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Speaker 1: in theory, everybody is in competition. Right in theory, a

454
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:54,520
Speaker 1: healthy Fletcher Cox is in competition with his backup, and

455
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,560
Speaker 1: in reality not so much. So when you say you're

456
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Speaker 1: starting quarterback is in a competition, that's seems bad for

457
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:04,399
Speaker 1: that starting quarterback. So the simple question to you is

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Speaker 1: do you think Carson Wentz will still be an Eagle

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Speaker 1: when we get to Week one? I don't, I I

460
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,679
Speaker 1: and selfishly I hope not because I think if Wentz

461
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:18,280
Speaker 1: gets traded, Hurts is great for fantasy and Wentz is

462
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 1: not bad, so you get too good fantasy options then

463
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,680
Speaker 1: out of it. But the reason I think not is

464
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,399
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of QB needy teams, like it

465
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 1: came out this morning that before the Rams landed Matt

466
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:35,120
Speaker 1: Stafford that the Panthers almost did, and they were actually

467
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Speaker 1: deep enough in a trade where they were exchanging medical

468
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,159
Speaker 1: information and then the Rams blew the lines away and

469
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Speaker 1: they went with the lines offers. So that's another team

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Speaker 1: that I did. I thought they were gonna just row

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Speaker 1: with Teddy Bridgewater again. So if they're looking for a

472
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Speaker 1: quarterback upgrade, the Colts have been linked, the Dolphins, the

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Speaker 1: the Jets. I think that Wentz will not be moved.

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Speaker 1: I was surprised that Stafford was moved before Watson, but

475
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Speaker 1: I think that the quarterback market is kind of gonna

476
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Speaker 1: wait on Watson because if you're a team like the

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Speaker 1: Jets or or the Colts or any of these teams

478
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Speaker 1: going after a quarterback, why would you settle for someone

479
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 1: that is not the crown rule. That's my thinking at least,

480
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 1: like you try to get Watson and if you fail,

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00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,639
Speaker 1: all right, well we could get Carson Wentz. Because to me,

482
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:16,359
Speaker 1: it reminds me a lot of this golf move, Like

483
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 1: you can get a big contract off the books, you

484
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Speaker 1: can get a couple of early maybe first round picks,

485
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Speaker 1: and then the Eagles can start to rebuild and really

486
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Speaker 1: evaluate what Jalen hurts is because I know the Eagles

487
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 1: won a Super Bowl a couple of years ago, but

488
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Speaker 1: they're they're very far from winning another one. They really are.

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Speaker 1: They have they have taken a huge step back since

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Speaker 1: that Super Bowl win. Um, and some of it, a

491
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Speaker 1: lot of it has to do with, Uh, the quarterback

492
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Speaker 1: play has just been inconsistent. I mean to the point

493
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Speaker 1: that I don't know how much of a joke it was,

494
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 1: but you know, Eagles fans kept sort of relying on

495
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 1: and praying for Nick Foles. Uh, even they can maybe

496
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 1: come back from Chicago to sort of helping them out

497
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Speaker 1: because obviously he was the guy at the Helm when

498
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Speaker 1: they want a Super Bowl. He's gotten in through the

499
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Speaker 1: playoffs before. Um. But I am with you, though, I

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Speaker 1: think I would be surprised if Carson Wentz is still there.

501
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,879
Speaker 1: I think if you get to training camp and you

502
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Speaker 1: really are having a quarterback competition and open quarterback competition

503
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Speaker 1: between Wins and Jalen Hurts, I just think you're asking

504
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,440
Speaker 1: for trouble. UM. So I I do think the Eagles

505
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Speaker 1: are gonna try to move Carson Wentz. It's going to

506
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Speaker 1: be hard because of that contract, you know. I know

507
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Speaker 1: you have said, and I think a lot of people

508
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Speaker 1: have said, maybe figure out a way to get him

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Speaker 1: to Indianapolis. Now that Philip Rivers is gone, Frank Reich

510
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Speaker 1: is there, and Wentz had success under Rich when he

511
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Speaker 1: was in Philadelphia, So maybe that's the move. UM. I

512
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Speaker 1: don't know if the if the'll take on that salary,

513
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,199
Speaker 1: but we'll see. But I I just don't think that

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Speaker 1: Carson Wentz is going to be there, um, which which

515
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Speaker 1: made me think about a handful of guys and there

516
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Speaker 1: could be a lot of as you mentioned, quarterback movement.

517
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Speaker 1: This offseason, but it made me think of a handful

518
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Speaker 1: of guys who uh you know, the clash popped into

519
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Speaker 1: my head. Should I stay or should I go? So?

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Speaker 1: Will these guys stay or will they go? Will they

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00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: be on their current rosters by the time we get

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Speaker 1: to week one? Uh So, I'm gonna get your thoughts here.

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Speaker 1: First off, obviously, the crown jewel, as you mentioned, Deshaun

524
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Speaker 1: Watson week one, will he be suiting up for the

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Speaker 1: Houston Texas. I think zero percent chance. And I know

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Speaker 1: the coach and the GM and everyone. The GM, who

527
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 1: is the reason why he wants out first of all,

528
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 1: could say like, yeah, we don't want to trade him,

529
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: but we tons have changed in sports markets, and when

530
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Speaker 1: a player wants out and makes it this public and

531
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 1: deletes all the team stuff from his social media usually

532
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Speaker 1: means that that player will not be back next year.

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Speaker 1: So I do not think that Shaun Watson will be

534
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Speaker 1: there and Marcus. In fact, I was thinking about this

535
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Speaker 1: the other day. I feel like losing Harden and Watson

536
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Speaker 1: in the same like time is Houston's real punishment for

537
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 1: and not whatevery baseball game them. That's a fair point

538
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Speaker 1: because the city of Houston has had a rough go

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Speaker 1: sports wise, right. I mean, I know, the Astros made

540
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Speaker 1: a run in the playoffs and very nearly got to

541
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Speaker 1: the World Series, but um, you know, the Rockets have

542
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: fallen apart. The Texans are right now just a disaster

543
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 1: in their front office. So maybe this is maybe this

544
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: is the city of Houston being punished by the sports gods.

545
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: I also love the state that we're in currently in

546
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 1: the world, that we sort of decipher things through cryptic

547
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: social media move like you know, it gets reported when

548
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 1: an athlete takes any team stuff off of their social media,

549
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: like when they delete all their pictures off Instagram where

550
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,880
Speaker 1: they take it out of their bio, how it becomes

551
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: a thing. Or even if like you know, somehow they

552
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 1: have a real estate listening a certain city, like people

553
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: like you know, try to try to glean things from that.

554
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 1: Um I do think, I do think they're gonna have

555
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 1: to move on from Lonson. I just think it's so

556
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 1: toxic at this point, and it just seems like every

557
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 1: time they offer an olive branch to try and make

558
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: things better than they turn around and do something to

559
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: make him upset again. Like, Oh, I just don't know

560
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 1: how they repaired this relationship. Um. The other thing about

561
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: you know about nowadays when you have star athletes, especially

562
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: guys who were younger in their careers like Deshaun Watson,

563
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 1: is um, they can afford financially to sit out a year,

564
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 1: you know, Like I mean, we saw Levian Bell do it,

565
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 1: and you know, I know that that it didn't necessarily

566
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Speaker 1: work out for Love the way I think he wanted

567
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: it to. But he also could take a year off

568
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Speaker 1: from football and not really worry about anything, at least financially.

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Speaker 1: And Deshaun Watson to either sides, you know what, I'm

570
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: just that fed up that I don't want to play. Um,

571
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Speaker 1: you know, he'll be fine at least, you know, at

572
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: least in terms of of his bank account. Uh. So

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Speaker 1: we'll see what happens there. But I'm with you, I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna be there. It seems pretty

575
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Speaker 1: fitting that after like the year that they just had,

576
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: like Bill O'Brien's gone, Watson's probably gonna be gone. It

577
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 1: sounds like what the hop's already gone. When the dust settles,

578
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:58,360
Speaker 1: David Johnson is gonna be the last Texans stand. That's crazy.

579
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: It might not be wrong, and that's just crazy, all right.

580
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 1: The next one Jimmy Garoppolo, and you know, the the

581
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 1: names have been swirling. Look, the Niners were at first

582
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: reported to be in the Stafford sweep steaks, but I

583
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: guess they could just never really come to a real

584
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Speaker 1: agreement on anything. So I don't know how far that got.

585
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: But they're still talk that, you know, Jimmy Garoppolo might

586
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Speaker 1: be on the move somewhere, even that he might go

587
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: back to New England. Will he be a forty Niner

588
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: in Week one? I think the only way he is

589
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 1: a forty Niner is if they strike out on all

590
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,199
Speaker 1: the other quarterbacks available, because it sounds very much so

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Speaker 1: like they want to upgrade the position. And I get it, Marcus,

592
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: they like, you know, better than anyone. They have so

593
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: much talent on the offensive side of the ball. Jimmyj

594
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: just hasn't been able to stay healthy. He hasn't been

595
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Speaker 1: able to fully take advantage of all the talent around him.

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00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: That when you have Shanahan and those pieces, you gotta

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00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: strike while the iron's hot. So I wouldn't be surprised

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00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: that they moved on from him. But if they struck out,

599
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: I also wouldn't be surprised that they just bring him back.

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Speaker 1: A large part of me thinks he'll still be there

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00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: in week one. It won't be for lack of effort, though.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I do think that that the forty n

603
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: front office that you know, John Lynch, Kyle Shanahan, I

604
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: think they are doing their due diligence, and I think

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00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: they're making calls and seeing what it would take to

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00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: maybe get some guys. Um. You know, I don't know

607
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,719
Speaker 1: how hard they're necessarily pursuing Deshaun Watson, but obviously they

608
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 1: did make a run in some form of Matt Stafford,

609
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: so I do think they're looking around. Uh. You know,

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00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: there have been rumors for the last couple of years

611
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: that Kyle Shanahan really wants to sort of reunite with

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Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins after their time in Washington together. You know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that happens. I will say that

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00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: in the forty nine fans, it was yesterday I believe

615
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: about Yeah. As a Niner fan, like, I don't know

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Speaker 1: that Kirk Cousins excites me a whole lot. Like it's

617
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: it's fine, it's a slight upgrade from Garoppolo, but it

618
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: doesn't do much to to give me really excited. To

619
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: Shaun Watson, I'd be fired up about that. Um, Kirk

620
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: Cousins doesn't really do much. But I I have a

621
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: really strong hunch Um that Garoppolo is probably gonna be

622
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:04,479
Speaker 1: a forty nine or at the start of next year

623
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Speaker 1: unless something major comes along. Uh And Steve is saying

624
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,479
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins and Jerry Goff might be the same person.

625
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: I think Cousins a little better than I think so,

626
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: at least for fantasy, a little bit better. But if

627
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: he leaves, though, who is going to be throwing justin

628
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: Jefferson the ball? That's what I want to know, right,

629
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Speaker 1: That's the other part, Like, if Kirk Cousins leaves Minnesota,

630
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: what does that mean for Jefferson and Feeling and those guys.

631
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: So that's a whole other can of worms we we'd

632
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: have to figure um. Rich Drobinsky Bears fans are certainly

633
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: I think done with Mitch Drobinsky. Are the Bears done?

634
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: Will he be? Will he be at Soldier Field in

635
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: Week one? They have to be right, like it is.

636
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: Everyone Bears fans, everyone included, can admit that taking to

637
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: whisky when they did was a mistake, like he hasn't

638
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: lived up to expectations and make it matters even worse,

639
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes is the greatest talent we've ever seen. To

640
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: Shaun Watson is a top five quarterback in my opinion.

641
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: And Watson, I know, Rank says it all the time.

642
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: He's the one that really was the head scratcher because

643
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: he was everyone's top prospect coming out that year and

644
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: they took Trubisky over him. Um, But for Rank's sake,

645
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: my grandma, who is a huge Bears fan's sake, I'm

646
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: hoping that the Trubisky era in Chicago is done. I

647
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: think it is. Um. The question is where do they

648
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: go because again they don't have a high draft pick,

649
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: so it's not like they can, you know, maybe target

650
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: one of those potential franchise changing quarterbacks. Um, maybe they

651
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: make a move on the free agent market. And and

652
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: whoever it is, I think it's sort of a seat filler, right,

653
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: It's a it's a couple of year bridge quarterback to

654
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: get them to something else. But I would be very

655
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: very surprised if if Traubisky is back. Um, one of

656
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: the names that I have thought maybe could go to

657
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: Chicago and and maybe start over is Sam Donald. They

658
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: have a new coaching staff there, and you know there

659
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: is talk that maybe they keep Donald, maybe they decided

660
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: to do something else. Do you think, uh, Sam Donald's

661
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: the quarterback for the Jets started next year. I do

662
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: not there. There's so much smoke coming out of And

663
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: I get it for for Watson, Like, yeah, obviously you

664
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: get rid of Donald to up to get Watson if

665
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: you can. But even if they miss out on Watson,

666
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: it's like, how do you not take whichever one you

667
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: like better of Fields or Wilson or like, I think

668
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: Donald still has potential in the NFL. I just don't

669
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: think it's ever gonna happen with the Jets. I think

670
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,479
Speaker 1: that he needs a a change of scenery because if

671
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: they don't, whether they take a quarterback at two or not,

672
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: Donald is always going to be compared to that player. Uh.

673
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: And the fans, I like, if he gets up to

674
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: a still start again, they're just gonna turn on Donald.

675
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: So I think he needs a fresh start, and I

676
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: think the Jets organization knows that, and I do not

677
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: expect him to be back next year. I do think

678
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: it's best for everybody involved. They just sort of go

679
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: their separate ways right now. Um, I'm not willing to

680
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: give up on Donald, you know, partially because you know,

681
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: fight on and everything. But I I just I don't

682
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: think he's bad. I just I think he's been in

683
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: a really bad situation that I think. I think it'd

684
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: be hard for a lot of quarterbacks to sort of

685
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: overcome the things that that Donald has had in his

686
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: way with just poor coaching, it's kind of a lack

687
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: of talent around him. I mean, it's just it's just

688
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: everything you don't want for a young quarterback. He sort

689
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: of had to deal with it. Um, it's like, yeah,

690
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: I think it's just move on. If they took Josh

691
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: Allen instead of Donald, I don't think he is playing

692
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: at the level he is right now. If they took

693
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: Lamar over him, I don't think Lamar has an m

694
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: v P like Circo. Stances matter in the NFL, and

695
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: that's one of the worst you can go to right now. Yeah,

696
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: they really are. I know people are optimistic though about

697
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: what it's gonna mean now that Robert Salo is the

698
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: head coach and and all of the pieces are trying

699
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: to bring in there. I know, there's optimism, but it

700
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: also feels like there's been optimism, uh, you know, around

701
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: the Jets before. So I will reserve judgment, as somebody

702
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: who's an impartial observer, I refer, I reserve judgment until

703
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: we actually see something. So that brings me to just

704
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: a quick kind of re review year in review of

705
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: the quarterback position, that the things that we like, didn't

706
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 1: like whatever um for you, like you who was or

707
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: who were your biggest preseason hits? The guys that you

708
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: just knew from the start of year they were gonna

709
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 1: have big years. For me, it's specifically would be Josh Allen,

710
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 1: but I think it is just that second tier of

711
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,479
Speaker 1: quarterbacks because Mahomes and Lamar were going like second, third round,

712
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: and then there was a big gap between quarterbacks. But

713
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: in like the some drafts fifth but usually like the

714
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: six or seventh round, there was a group of Dak Prescott, Kyler, Murray,

715
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, Deshaun Watson, and Russell Wilson. And to me,

716
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: those five quarterbacks were the ones that I was targeting

717
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: and all my drafts, and all five of them ended

718
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: up having a really big year outside of Dak who

719
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: got hurt, but I think. I mean, if he stayed healthy,

720
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 1: it looked like he was gonna have a monster season

721
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: as well. So for me, I think it was kind

722
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: of change in my approach at the quarterback position and

723
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: seeing the value in the second tier and targeting the

724
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 1: those guys. That is where I went very heavy last year. Um,

725
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: Like I said, I had a lot of Deshaun Watson,

726
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott, Russell Wilson across my teams, and all three

727
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: of those guys, Uh, we're pretty good. I know. You know,

728
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,760
Speaker 1: we we talked a lot about Wilson sort of fading

729
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,280
Speaker 1: down the stretch last year, but you know, the first

730
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: half of the season plus uh, he was lights out.

731
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: It was great. Um. You know, Deshaun Watson, I think

732
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: kind of got off to a what we consider to

733
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: be a slow start, but he was great in the

734
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 1: back part of the season. And I think with with Watson,

735
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: if you factor in sort of the guys he was

736
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: playing with, just the general turmoil in Houston, UM, you

737
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 1: can make a case that that he was arguably the

738
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 1: best quarterback in Fantasy this past year. I know the

739
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: numbers don't necessarily say that, but I think, you know,

740
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 1: if you kind of adjust for everything in situation. Um,

741
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: he had a great year. And and I think you

742
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: know that was one that we all hang our hat on.

743
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: And I do think that the Josh Allen, even for

744
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,399
Speaker 1: I think the most optimistic Josh Allen fans, I don't

745
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 1: think they anticipated this kind of year. Um. We knew

746
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: he could run the football effectively, We knew he had

747
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: a big strong arm. We knew having Stefan Diggs was

748
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: going to help. I don't think anybody predicted that he

749
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: was gonna, you know, throw thirty seven touchdown passes, that

750
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: he was going to have, uh, the rushing success, that

751
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: all of it combined would come together. So I do

752
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,479
Speaker 1: think anybody who's sort of sort of peg Josh Allen

753
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: and bet on him this year ended up as a

754
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 1: pretty big winner. UM. On the flip side, we talked

755
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: about Carson Wentz. I I sort of thought maybe Carson

756
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: Wentz could could have a sleeper year. I didn't I

757
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: think I drafted him maybe on one team. I didn't.

758
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaker 1: I didn't spend a lot of draft capital on Carson Wentz,

759
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: but I did sort of tell myself a story where

760
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: if he stays healthy, if his receivers stay healthy, that

761
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 1: maybe he could be a top eight quarterback. Uh, that

762
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,879
Speaker 1: was not the case. I whipped on him. I sort

763
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: of whipped on Cam Newton, but I didn't spend a

764
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: lot of draft capital there um. And maybe Cam has

765
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,720
Speaker 1: just cooked, Uh sad to say, because he just looked

766
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,919
Speaker 1: bad for a lot of the season. Um, anybody else

767
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,280
Speaker 1: that you looked at and you just you just whiffed

768
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: on last year. Yeah. While I think I hit big

769
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: on the upside QB ones, I definitely swung and missed

770
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: on what I thought were the upside QB two's Cam

771
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 1: Newton was very much so in that group. So was

772
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, which was terrible this year. I really like

773
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: Garner Minshew, and I don't think it was all Garner

774
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,280
Speaker 1: Minshew's fault. While he was a bus last year because

775
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 1: he was consistently giving like eighteen points a game. But

776
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: then they realized like, hey, we actually may win a

777
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: game with him, so let's go with Mike Lennon. So

778
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: that kind of took the wheels off there um. But yeah,

779
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 1: that was a tier that I had, and Joe Burrow

780
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: was in there. He was good until he got hurt.

781
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 1: But that was a tier of upside quarterback two's and man,

782
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: did they disappointed I forgot about Daniel Jones because yeah,

783
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: I was big on Daniel Jones this year and that

784
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: that just didn't work out. Um, and I'm I'm I'm

785
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: sort of wondering whether or not we are close to

786
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 1: the Daniel Jones ceiling. If if we're at a point

787
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,919
Speaker 1: where this is just who he is and we should

788
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: just prepare accordingly, if you decided to draft him as

789
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: a QB two. Um, so we've both talked about drafting

790
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: some of those MEDA tier guys right waiting until the fifth,

791
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 1: sixth round go getting a quarterback? Does this mean the

792
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: weight on a quarterback era of drafting is over? Have

793
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: we gotten past that now? Is that? Is that done?

794
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: For me? It is because I all the quarterbacks that

795
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 1: we said earlier in the Tier one you throw in

796
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. Now you throw in um, justin Herbert uh May.

797
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: People are starting to hype up Trevor Lawrence to be

798
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 1: a potential QWI one in fantasy. Uh. And then there's

799
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts if he's the starter. I think outside of that,

800
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: that's that's like eleven or twelve quarterbacks. Then you can

801
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 1: throw in you know, like the Staffords, maybe the tysom Hiller,

802
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: Jameis Winston's to Tom Brady, that's fifteen. That's that's fine

803
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,959
Speaker 1: in the normal league. But after that quarterback things out

804
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 1: very quick. I think, like, do you want to be

805
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,959
Speaker 1: starting a Big band or or a Jared Goff or

806
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: you know, like I don't. So for me, the weight

807
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: on quarterback era is over. I'm gonna try to grab

808
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: one of those top ten or so quarterbacks, especially the

809
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: ones who can give me points with their legs as well.

810
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,280
Speaker 1: Which is why for a second year, while I expect

811
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: to have Aaron Rodgers ranks very highly, I don't anticipate

812
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,240
Speaker 1: having a whole lot of Aaron Rodgers on my teams.

813
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: That's the thing it is. You know, you talk about

814
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,479
Speaker 1: how there's a drop off, right, and I went and looked,

815
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 1: and you look at the top ten or twelve quarterbacks,

816
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,280
Speaker 1: and these are all guys that are averaging um about

817
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: twenty to twenty one Fantasy points per game. You get

818
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: past that top ten, that number goes from twenty one

819
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: to like eighteen, which you know that's a pretty significant differential,

820
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,919
Speaker 1: especially over the course of sixteen games. Right. You're talking

821
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:41,399
Speaker 1: about somewhere around fifty points difference between those two types

822
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 1: of quarterbacks, and so you know which, which sort of

823
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: brings me to my next point is that we talk

824
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: about quarterback being deep, maybe it is, but maybe it's

825
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: not as deep as we think it is. Right where

826
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: you you have a handful of guys that you can

827
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,479
Speaker 1: start every single week. You know, you can start uh,

828
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: Lamar Patrick Mahone, maybe Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen for sure, Uh,

829
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: you know Kyler, those kind of guys. But maybe there's

830
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 1: eight or ten of those guys. And beyond that, you

831
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 1: are sort of streaming the position. Right if you went

832
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: and you decided to to sort of bank on a

833
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins, Matt Ryan, if you're drafting those guys, you're

834
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 1: also sort of playing the waiver wire or you've got

835
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: a second or even a third quarterback on your roster. Um.

836
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: I mean, I know that that's an easy thing for

837
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: us to say quarterback is deep, but maybe maybe it's

838
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: time that we we rethink that that, you know, and

839
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 1: maybe that's why quarterbacks are coming off the board early,

840
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 1: right that maybe we started to realize Florida and maybe

841
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 1: this position uh is deep ish but not actually deep.

842
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: Am I crazy, No, I don't think so at all.

843
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: I also think the position landscape changing has affected it

844
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: a lot, because even like five ten years ago, the

845
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: top quarterbacks were guys like Breeze, Brady Manning. They weren't running.

846
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 1: They were You're gonna get all the points with their

847
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: arms and the touchdowns, and it's easy for someone like

848
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers to come close to that production. But now

849
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 1: that these quarterbacks are running so much, like you said, Marcus,

850
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,760
Speaker 1: the top ten quarterbacks are gonna give you over twenty

851
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,240
Speaker 1: points each game. The other guys might give you eighteen,

852
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 1: but their floor is low and their ceiling is a

853
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 1: lot lower. Like Kyler, Mary Josh Allen Mahomes routinely were

854
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: scoring over thirty Fantasy points. They were routinely giving you

855
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 1: over fifteen as their floor. So the floor is so

856
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: much elevated than those other quarterbacks, and the ceiling is

857
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 1: they can go off and win you a week, whereas

858
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: those boring, uh you know, like later quarterbacks who are

859
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:33,959
Speaker 1: gonna give you like eighteen in a good week, maybe

860
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: they give you like twenty three. They're just gonna keep

861
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 1: you afloat in every week. They're never gonna win you

862
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: a game, and when they have a bad game, single

863
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,720
Speaker 1: digits is possible, twelve points is possible. You're not going

864
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: to get ten points out of Patrick Mahomes in a

865
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: game or or Josh Allen or Kyler because they can

866
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: add those points with their legs and their offense are

867
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: just so explosive that to me, I think again this year,

868
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: there's a sweet spot, like I'm not gonna pay up

869
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: for Mahomes because he's gonna be the QB one or

870
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: two every year. Alan or Murray if they're going in

871
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: like the second third round, maybe, but if I can

872
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: get you know, a a Watson or a Deck or

873
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: something like that in the sixth round, like that to

874
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: me is the perfect spot to strike at the quarterback position.

875
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 1: I mean that running component just becomes so much more crucial.

876
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: Uh And and we've talked about the fact that you

877
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: have Rogers and Brady in the top ten who just

878
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: didn't run. Rogers a hundred and forty nine rushing yards,

879
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: tom Brady with six, which I still look at and

880
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: I think that's the typo. Like I keep having the

881
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 1: double check that because it just doesn't it doesn't feel

882
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: even for Tom Brady, just doesn't feel plausible. But um,

883
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,879
Speaker 1: I mean, and I look so like Aaron Rodgers. Let's

884
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: say next year, instead of throwing forty eight touchdowns, he

885
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: throws thirty five. Good year, it's not a bad year

886
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 1: at all, um, but that's about a fifty point difference

887
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: overall from where he was, which this year takes him

888
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: from being a top two or three quarterback to just

889
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: barely in the top ten. Uh. And so that that

890
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: means the margin for error is so much smaller for

891
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: those guys who just don't pick up those extra yards

892
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 1: on the ground. And I do think that, you know,

893
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: it's it's something we just have to take into account

894
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: when we start drafting. It also makes me, you know,

895
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 1: it also sets me up for my yearly rant about

896
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,479
Speaker 1: how we need to change quarterback scoring. Um, because I think,

897
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 1: you know, and everybody whenever I bring this up, right

898
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:18,720
Speaker 1: and every every so often I bring it up on Twitter,

899
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: and I get flooded in my mentions with a whole

900
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 1: bunch of why don't you just play in two quarterback

901
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: or super flex leagues? And my response to that is

902
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: always that, like, all that really does is create scarcity,

903
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 1: and it doesn't necessarily separate the elite quarterbacks from the

904
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 1: just okay quarterbacks? Um. I mean I started this rant

905
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: last year after Jamis Winston through thirty interceptions and was

906
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: still a top five quarterback, and I was like, we

907
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 1: need to change this because this isn't good. Um. But

908
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: I also do think there's gotta be a way that

909
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 1: we can kind of set up scoring so that we

910
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: want to understand what the elite quarterbacks are, who they are,

911
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: and and we draft them accordingly. Because I just I

912
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: keep feeling like, if we all agree that Patrick Mahomes

913
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: is great, Um, why should it be Why should it

914
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: be a strategic disadvantage to draft him? I don't understand that.

915
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,879
Speaker 1: That's a thing that I don't I don't get. Um,

916
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 1: not only do you think he's great, market Like, I

917
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: think the nine out of ten football fans if you

918
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: ask him who the best player in football is the

919
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: saying Patrick Mahomes. Yeah right. But but we get to

920
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: fantasy and you're like, somebody draft Patrick Mahomes in the

921
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,399
Speaker 1: third round. Everybody's kind of like, oh, I don't know.

922
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: I'm like that doesn't make sense, right, Like, and I

923
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: know that fantasy and real football don't necessarily correlate, but

924
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 1: I do think that's one thing that should work right, Like,

925
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: if you have a great player, it should not be

926
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: a disadvantage to draft that player. Um, that's all. I

927
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: just wanted to get that rand in there, right approach.

928
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 1: Take Mahomes in the first round because he's the best player.

929
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: Hey man, I mean you know Cole right, ear Old

930
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: pal now doing work with the Cubs like he was.

931
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 1: It was Patrick Mahomes last up. Before that, it was

932
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: Drew Brees. He's like, look, I'm gonna go quarterback and

933
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ride that guy as far as I can.

934
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: But I I do we need to change quarterback score.

935
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: We can do this. We can do this as a group.

936
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 1: Let's get some smart people along. Maybe that will be

937
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: we're going to the goals for the off season. We

938
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 1: get a lot of smart people together and we try

939
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: to figure out how to make this all better. Um,

940
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 1: as we wrap up this whole quarterback in review thing,

941
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 1: looking ahead to one, I know you've done your rankings.

942
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: I am in the process of kind of putting together

943
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: my projections and rankings. Who are your top five quarterbacks

944
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 1: for next year? For me, Mahomes is one because he's

945
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: just the safest, like is he going to be the

946
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 1: QB one. No, But do I have any doubts that

947
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: if he's healthy, healthy, top three, top five, No, So

948
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 1: he has always QB one. For me, I'm Josh Allen

949
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: is QB two, and Kyla Mary is my QB three.

950
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: I've debated those two pretty heavily, but I trust Allen's

951
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: passing a little bit more than I have Kyler Uh.

952
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: And then my QB four, I've taken a little bit

953
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: of heat for this, but I have Dak is QB

954
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: four because last year Dak looked like he was going

955
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,399
Speaker 1: to just shatter all the records in the first month

956
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,919
Speaker 1: of the season and we got hurt, and people are like, oh,

957
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: but he's coming off of the bad knee injury, torn

958
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 1: a c l s are they're they're like almost like

959
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: routine now, So I expect that to come back and

960
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: and be his normal deck self. Uh, and with those

961
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: pieces around him and the lack of defense, I think

962
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 1: he can throw a ton and then for me, as

963
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: of now, it depends on where he lands. But my

964
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: QB five is Deshaun Watson. He could definitely get a

965
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: big boost if he lands in a favorable scenario, maybe

966
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 1: fall a spot or two if not, because I agree

967
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: with what you said earlier markets like, look at the

968
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: situation he was in last year, and look how well

969
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: he played. I think no matter where you put this

970
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: guy and who you put around him, he's going to

971
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 1: put a big number. So those are my top five,

972
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,720
Speaker 1: But there's like three after that that you could all debate.

973
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: In the top five as our as our old pal

974
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 1: Abarbasja vi Emilie used to say, a c LS with

975
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 1: a new sprained ankle. Um, it's a it's an exaggeration,

976
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 1: but the point beings what you said, Like we have

977
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 1: seen so many guys returned from a c l S.

978
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: I think the procedure, the rehab has gotten to a

979
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 1: point where, um, it's it's a devastating injury, no doubt,

980
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: but I don't think it is sort of the the

981
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: death knell that it once was. Uh, you know, say

982
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: ten years or so ago. Um, my top five, you

983
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 1: and I have the same names, we just have them

984
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,720
Speaker 1: in slightly different orders. I've got I've got my homes

985
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,879
Speaker 1: is my number one, because why not Josh Allen as

986
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 1: my number two. I've got to Sean at number three

987
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 1: for me. Um, you know, maybe that changes if he's

988
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: not in Houston or you know, whatever they do around him,

989
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,919
Speaker 1: maybe maybe he moves down or up maybe a spot

990
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,320
Speaker 1: or two. But he's my number three. Uh. Number four

991
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: for me is Kyler. Uh. It was just sort of

992
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: weird to kind of watch him struggle and fade, and

993
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: maybe the shoulder injury had a lot more to do

994
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: with it, um, you know than anybody who wanted to

995
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 1: let on. But he did kind of fall apart that

996
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 1: that worries me a little bit. But he's my number four,

997
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 1: and I put back at number five. I don't I mean,

998
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: I don't think it's controversial for you to have him

999
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,760
Speaker 1: where where you did, because he looked so great, because

1000
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,280
Speaker 1: they relied on him so much, and because that defense

1001
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: was bad and you know, maybe the defense it's a

1002
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,959
Speaker 1: little bit better. Um, but you also have to figure

1003
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Eliott as a year older. He's not the workhorse

1004
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:07,879
Speaker 1: that he once was, and so I think a lot

1005
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 1: of it is going to be on Dak's shoulders to

1006
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: to try and carry this offen. So you had him

1007
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,839
Speaker 1: at four, I got him at five. I don't think

1008
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:18,359
Speaker 1: either one of those uh is particularly crazy. Um by

1009
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: the way, Yeah, no, I think Lamar is just outside

1010
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: my top five. Um. I just you know, I want

1011
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 1: to see them do more with their their receivers. I

1012
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 1: want to see them do more with their pass catching group.

1013
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: Like it was nice to see Marques Brown sort of

1014
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 1: step up late in the season, but they need some

1015
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: more depth there. You know, he's great as a runner.

1016
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: I I he's good enough as a passer to be

1017
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: a top ten quarterback. I need a little more in

1018
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: that area before I put him in my top five.

1019
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 1: All Um, if you haven't already, should come check us

1020
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 1: out there on YouTube YouTube dot com slash NFL Fantasy Football.

1021
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:54,520
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1022
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: like and subscribe and get the all the new stuff.

1023
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 1: In fact, I believe there's something that just came out

1024
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 1: a day or it's coming out very soon. By the

1025
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: time you listen to this podcast, it might be out.

1026
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 1: We we have our fantasy awards. Me and Florio kind

1027
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 1: of go over some of our fantasy awards for the

1028
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: twenties season, so you can go check that out at YouTube. Um,

1029
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: before we go, I was reminded by a friend recently

1030
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: that we are approaching the thirtieth anniversary of the forty

1031
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:27,839
Speaker 1: Niners attempting a logo change. I believe it was. They

1032
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: officially announced this on February. It was not even the

1033
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: lead of the press conference they were they were introducing

1034
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 1: a new GM. Um. They were talking about contracts to sign.

1035
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 1: I believe it is in this press conference that the

1036
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: guy who took over Carmen Policy, who was kind of

1037
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: the team president's last GM, I think he made a

1038
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,399
Speaker 1: reference to you know, I don't know if Ronnie Lott

1039
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: can still get it done at a high level. Uh.

1040
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: Ronnie Lott went to the Raiders and still did it

1041
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 1: at a high level for a number of years. So

1042
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,439
Speaker 1: that was kind of a swinging miss. But the other

1043
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: part of it is they they unveiled a new helmet

1044
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 1: with a new logo that was immediately destroyed. And this

1045
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:10,760
Speaker 1: was in the years before social media, obviously, but I remember,

1046
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 1: you know, at the time, I was growing up in

1047
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 1: the Bay Area, and I remember seeing it, and the

1048
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:19,439
Speaker 1: backlash was swift and loud about how awful this forty

1049
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:24,320
Speaker 1: Niners logo looked. Um, it said the word forty Niners

1050
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 1: on it. It was this weird script. It was terrible.

1051
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: Everybody hated it, and within a couple of weeks. The

1052
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 1: team was like, ha, just kidding, We're not gonna do that. Uh.

1053
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: They went back to the old helmet um. But it

1054
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 1: didn't make me wonder what is the worst logo in

1055
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: pro sports? And you know, Steve, you can jump back

1056
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 1: in here too. This. I don't know, Flora, if you

1057
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: want to go first, I don't know if you've put

1058
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: together a couple of candidates. But just made me think

1059
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 1: of what is some of the worst logos you remember

1060
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 1: seeing in pro sports? Well? I never saw this Fortyns

1061
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 1: logo before Marcus. If they stuck with that one, it

1062
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 1: would be that one. Beau, is that not not good

1063
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: to look at it? And their logo is so iconic

1064
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:09,320
Speaker 1: um for me though, the worst one it's a football team.

1065
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 1: It is the Cleveland Browns because your name is the

1066
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 1: Browns and your logo is not even brown. It's an

1067
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: orange helmet and like watching football one like earlier this year,

1068
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: my fiance was like, why are they the Browns that

1069
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 1: their logo is just a orange football helmet? And I

1070
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: was like, I wish I could explain that to you.

1071
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: I have no idea. They changed it recently and it

1072
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: went from like like a slightly different hue of orange.

1073
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,800
Speaker 1: I think was the change or something. It makes no sense,

1074
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: like get a dog like the dog logo they have

1075
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: is pretty sick. I just don't get the orange helmet

1076
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 1: one at all. How do you feel about the elf?

1077
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: Which elf is you're seeing? Brownie the Elf? I don't

1078
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,359
Speaker 1: know if I have. You should google? Yeah, and he's

1079
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: got like a little he's like a little you know,

1080
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: John t Elf holding a football. Um, yeah, you should

1081
00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:00,359
Speaker 1: google Brownie the Elf. Um, it's not a better logo.

1082
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it's an upgrade on the helmet. It's

1083
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: a really weird logo. It's a weird logo. It's a

1084
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: weird I don't know where they came up with it.

1085
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's any Browns fans. I would

1086
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: hope the Browns fans who listen to this pod if

1087
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 1: you if you know where or how Brownie the Elf

1088
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 1: came about, I would love to hear about it. Mascot

1089
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: is dressed up in like elf pants and stuff. Um,

1090
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 1: all right, Steve, what what do you have one or

1091
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: two idea? I actually have the Cleveland Browns down, but

1092
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: I had a contingency plan as well. Uh, there was

1093
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: a point in time, I'm not sure when it was,

1094
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,879
Speaker 1: but Major League Baseball got together and everyone agreed, we're

1095
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: gonna do letter logos. We're gonna do slick letter logos,

1096
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: and they the Toronto Blue Jays were exempt because they

1097
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 1: had a cool logo that everyone liked. But the Baltimore

1098
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 1: Orioles decided they were going to go with a weird

1099
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:51,240
Speaker 1: cartoon bird. And if you look at all of the

1100
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: logos kind of collectively, that cartoon bird looks like it

1101
00:52:55,239 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: was drawn by a middle schooler. Like the cartoon it's

1102
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: really ugly, and they could easily just use and you

1103
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: see it, they could use that orange oh, or even

1104
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 1: a bee, but for some reason they are and they

1105
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 1: have this fascination with this like kind of fat looking bird.

1106
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:17,919
Speaker 1: It's not intimidating at all. I don't get that people

1107
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 1: don't like that. When I, I don't know, I guess

1108
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: I'm weird. I thought, I don't hate it, but I

1109
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 1: don't hate it. Um. I did like when the Orioles

1110
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 1: changed to the more uh, like, you know, it looked

1111
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 1: like a bird like that you see like a natural

1112
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: history museum, like it was an actual that was definitely better. Um.

1113
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, I didn't. I didn't hate the fat bird logo.

1114
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: Um myself, I don't know. I don't know, man. Uh

1115
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 1: for me, I would say one of the one that

1116
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 1: popped in mind and uh for some reason. And I'm

1117
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 1: not I'm not picking on your your talent, Steve, but

1118
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 1: well when the Pistons changed to that weird horse with

1119
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 1: the tail pipes and power, I mean I know what

1120
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 1: it was for. It was awful. Um. I I get it,

1121
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 1: you're the motor city and you know, the the the

1122
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 1: automotive center of America and maybe the world. Um No,

1123
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:14,280
Speaker 1: it was just all it was like a chess piece

1124
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 1: that you put racing stripes on it. It looked terrible. Um,

1125
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:20,439
Speaker 1: I was not a fan of that one. They want

1126
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 1: a championship with that one? Right? They did win a

1127
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 1: championship with that one. You know, I guess you know

1128
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,359
Speaker 1: I should shut up, But you know that's why they

1129
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 1: won too, right. The the the runner up for me,

1130
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 1: And it's not that I hated the logo, but Steve,

1131
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:37,800
Speaker 1: you remember when the Tigers had that methout looking tiger logo. Yeah,

1132
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 1: it was that briefly used. It was never always like

1133
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:44,439
Speaker 1: the only one. But yeah, I know you're talking about

1134
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,799
Speaker 1: I remember it expressly because I so, I have some

1135
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 1: very good friends and and they would go their grandparents

1136
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: lived in Detroit, and so they would go to visit

1137
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 1: their grandparents. And so like one year, one summer, they

1138
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: brought me back a Detroit Tigers pennant and they went

1139
00:54:57,960 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 1: to a Tiger's game, hung out. They brought me back

1140
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: a pen it and it was the logo with the

1141
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 1: messed out tiger on it with his eyes like popping

1142
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 1: wide um, and so like, I you know, for years

1143
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 1: I had that on my bedroom while as a kid,

1144
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 1: and so like I expressly remember that. I was like,

1145
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: even like, you know, even when I was like tan,

1146
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, why does the tiger look so scared? Like

1147
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:19,800
Speaker 1: what is going on? I had never seen that logo

1148
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 1: until right now, and it was awful. It just it

1149
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 1: was like a nice try, like everything was fine until

1150
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: you got to the eyes. It's so easy to make

1151
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 1: a lion intimidating, and they went with that. It just seriously,

1152
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:38,760
Speaker 1: it's like somebody scared the tiger and uh and messed

1153
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 1: it up. These bad logos seem awfully targeted. I picked

1154
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 1: him and I was like, you know, Steve's gonna think

1155
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 1: I'm picking on him, which I not. It just it

1156
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 1: just so happened that two logos that I did not

1157
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 1: like happened to come from the same city. So that's

1158
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 1: all about this. Yeah, you know, and look, if you want,

1159
00:55:57,960 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 1: you can roast me about the forty and iron log

1160
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 1: though that almost happened but didn't because it's terrible. It's

1161
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 1: not a logo markets but the Giants I think it

1162
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: was in the nineties had a really weird mascot that

1163
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 1: only left like I forget what it was, but San Francisco,

1164
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 1: San Francisco Jiants. Yeah, oh yeah, I know, the the

1165
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,320
Speaker 1: Crazy Crab from the like the late seventies, early eighties.

1166
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 1: Here's a story about the Crab. And I know we

1167
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:21,359
Speaker 1: didn't you know, plan on getting into like this, but

1168
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,879
Speaker 1: the Crazy Crab, because you know, the city of San

1169
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 1: Francisco is it has traditionally been sort of you know,

1170
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:30,359
Speaker 1: outside the box, and it's thinking and doing a little

1171
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 1: bit of weird stuff. The Crazy Crab was intended to

1172
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 1: be an anti mascot, to poke fun at other mascots.

1173
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 1: Um so he would come out and they play a song.

1174
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 1: He was like, hey, look at that Crazy Crab. They

1175
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 1: play some song and like the fans were encouraged to

1176
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 1: boo the crab and they would, you know, they would

1177
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 1: throw things at the crab. So like whoever was in

1178
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 1: the crab would you know, have to like duck and

1179
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 1: dodge breathe thrown at it. Um. But yeah, it was.

1180
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 1: It was awful. But it was intentionally awful because it

1181
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 1: was this behind to poke fun at mascot's. It might

1182
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 1: have been making fun of the San Diego Chicken for

1183
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 1: all I know, but yeah, it was. It was designed

1184
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 1: to be awful and it it hit the mark. It

1185
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 1: didn't last very long because I think after a while

1186
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 1: they couldn't get anybody to wear the suit because they

1187
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: didn't want things thrown at them. Um. But yeah, I

1188
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 1: wanted a short thing on that. And like someone who

1189
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 1: did the Crab once was like, yeah, I got hit

1190
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,479
Speaker 1: and I got hurt one game, like like a beer

1191
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 1: or something like that, and I was like, yeah, that's

1192
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 1: that probably wouldn't fly today, but it's amazing. Yeah, yeah,

1193
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 1: the crazy crap. For anybody who hasn't who hasn't seen it,

1194
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 1: go look up Crazy Crab San Francisco giants um and

1195
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: it is a whole thing. It is awful looking. It

1196
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 1: has like big bug eyes and uh, it's a crab.

1197
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 1: That's that's the best thing I can say about it.

1198
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 1: It's a crab. Um. I think it has a mustache

1199
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 1: too or something. I don't know. Um, it's just nothing

1200
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 1: to do with giants. Uh. Yeah, there's there's a lot

1201
00:57:56,080 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 1: of seal. I don't know if you remember loose seal. Um. Yeah, yeah,

1202
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 1: that's that's that's there. I think I'm getting the rap

1203
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 1: side because we have gone off the rails here. That's

1204
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 1: probably a good idea. Thank you Steve for for bringing

1205
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 1: us back in. So you go. That is it. We

1206
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 1: are done. We appreciate you hanging out with the NFL

1207
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 1: Fantasy Football show. You know the drill. Tell two friends

1208
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 1: to tell two friends rate review and remember I love

1209
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 1: that your smell difference a little. People, be safe, take

1210
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 1: care of yourselves, wear a mask, and we will see

1211
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 1: you on Thursday. Wow, um wong wong, I'm cow color,

1212
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 1: I'm cold color.