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Speaker 1: Welcome to the wire to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number change

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Speaker 1: the show. We're examining the variables that factor into the

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Speaker 1: big buck equation. Whether you like math or not, I

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Speaker 1: think you'll enjoy this week's episode. All right, welcome to

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Speaker 1: the wire to Hunt podcast. And today, as I mentioned earlier,

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Speaker 1: we're going to be diving into the different pieces of

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Speaker 1: the puzzle to add up to success killing big mature bucks.

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Speaker 1: But before we get too deep into the weeds, my

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Speaker 1: friend Mr Dan Johnson, how are you today. I'm having

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Speaker 1: a bad hair day to day, Mark, I bet you

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Speaker 1: don't have a whole lot of hair, so how's that possible.

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Speaker 1: It's just it's not doing what I wanted to I

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Speaker 1: don't know what to say except I'm having a bad

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Speaker 1: hair day. I typically look really cool with my hair

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Speaker 1: and now and now it's just not what I wanted

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Speaker 1: to do. And I looked in the mirror today and

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Speaker 1: I'm like, that dude is a gomer. So so usually

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Speaker 1: when I see you, you're wearing a ball cap. Now,

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Speaker 1: I was over it. I was hanging out with you

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Speaker 1: two weekends ago in Iowa and you were wearing no

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Speaker 1: hat and you're doing this kind of slicked over, wet hairstyle,

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Speaker 1: kind of the comb over maybe like a like Don

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Speaker 1: Draper for Madman esque type deal. Is that is that? Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying you actually look like that. I'm saying

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Speaker 1: that's what you're going for. Okay? Is that? Is that

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Speaker 1: the bad hair day challenge? Sho? You're trying to get

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Speaker 1: that and it's not working. Well, No, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It's just you know, sometimes you look at yourself in

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Speaker 1: the mirror and you go, Damn, that guy's hot. You've

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Speaker 1: been there before. You've been there before, Mark, you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I've ever gone that far. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Damn that guy's handsome. All right, And today I'm just

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Speaker 1: not feeling it. I just don't have that. I don't

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Speaker 1: have that feel. But I'll tell you what, Tomorrow, I'll

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Speaker 1: have it back and I'll go on with my life. Good. Good.

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Speaker 1: I hope you get that self confidence back. You need that.

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Speaker 1: You need that. Um, well, that's good. I I haven't

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Speaker 1: had a bad hair day, have been wearing a hat today,

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Speaker 1: so I got away without that one. But otherwise things

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Speaker 1: over here have been hectic and busy but good. Um,

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Speaker 1: so that's all good. I got I ordered a sleeping

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Speaker 1: bag for our western trip and it came in the

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Speaker 1: mail today. So I'm pretty pumped. You Uh, I think

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Speaker 1: this weekend I might actually sleep underneath my deck in

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Speaker 1: it under your deck? Yeah, under my deck? Like is

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Speaker 1: your deck up on? Like? Yeah, it's a it's a

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Speaker 1: like Gremlin and out in the underneath in this dirt pile.

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Speaker 1: Basically interesting. What's your wife think about this? I haven't

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Speaker 1: told her yet, so she really doesn't care. She's thirty

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Speaker 1: probably have no problem with it. Cool man, Well do that,

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Speaker 1: And I really want to hear how that goes. Oh hey,

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Speaker 1: did you hear about um? Did you hear the news?

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Speaker 1: What's the news? Outdoor life just lost a whole bunch

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Speaker 1: of credibility? Oh yeah, how's that? They put some guy

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Speaker 1: what he does. I don't know, man, I heard bad

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Speaker 1: things about that guy. Pretty a pretty lame story. Huh,

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Speaker 1: this a lame story. Yeah, you see you saw Huh. Yep,

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Speaker 1: that's congratulations. That's pretty cool man, Thank you man for

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Speaker 1: for those listening that don't know what we're talking about.

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Speaker 1: I had the crazy good fortune of being featured in

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Speaker 1: the cover story for the April issue of Outdoor Life magazine,

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Speaker 1: that now that makes uh, that makes two of us

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Speaker 1: the cover of Bear Monthly? Bear Monthly? Yeah, but it's

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Speaker 1: your experience, Andrew's experience, and UM look at some of

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Speaker 1: So it should be pretty interesting. UM. I'm looking forward

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Speaker 1: this week, so we should probably kick into that pretty

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Speaker 1: quick here. UM, we got a lot to cover. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because it always seems that one topic leads into another.

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Speaker 1: And it just snowballs until we're like, oh man, no

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Speaker 1: one wants to listen to an eight hour podcast. It's true,

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Speaker 1: I think. Um, so we've had people asked for two hours,

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Speaker 1: but eight hours, that's that's gonna be a little bit,

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Speaker 1: a little bit long. So, UM, what we want to

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Speaker 1: talk about today, Dan, was actually an idea that you

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Speaker 1: As you know, Dan, and as many of you listening

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Speaker 1: Last weekend, you know, as we talked about last week,

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Speaker 1: by body size, and and then the rack is it

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00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 1: is basically the cherry on top of you know, because

428
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 1: my if he makes it through this winter, and I

429
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,439
Speaker 1: already have trail camera pictures of him, I have a

430
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 1: deer that's gonna be seven or eight years old. UM,

431
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,440
Speaker 1: huge body I call um. Some people may know his name.

432
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,400
Speaker 1: His name's Ryan Iberg, named after my buddy. That buck

433
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 1: isn't going to score, but he has a gigantic body

434
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 1: and he is probably gonna be I don't even know

435
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,239
Speaker 1: a seven year old this year. I think seven year

436
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,880
Speaker 1: old buck this year, and he's gonna be very high

437
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,880
Speaker 1: on my hitlist. Yeah, he's an awesome dear. I think

438
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 1: I think you make a really important point here. I

439
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 1: think I would, at least if I'm writing that, if

440
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 1: I'm taking notes here, I would say, this is the

441
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 1: first variable in the equation. It would be UM realistically

442
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 1: defined big buck for you. UM, And I think, like

443
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 1: you said, it's different for everyone. And I actually UM

444
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 1: not to harp on this too much, but in this

445
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 1: outdoor life issue that we've talked about, UM, there's no

446
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 1: there's a story about me, But there's actually my first

447
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,199
Speaker 1: article I've ever had published in the print edition of

448
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 1: Outdoor Life. Isn't that issue, And it's underneath UM. I

449
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: think the topic is the new rules of white Tails

450
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 1: or something like that. UM. And it's kind of taking

451
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 1: a look at how, um, how things are changing a

452
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,679
Speaker 1: little bit in the deer hunting world. And one of

453
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,199
Speaker 1: my contributions to that piece, I was talking about, you know,

454
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 1: setting realistic expectations and how you know, as you mentioned earlier,

455
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 1: with the hunting media, and you know, to a degree

456
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 1: we are you know, we're lumped into that category too,

457
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:21,199
Speaker 1: because we talked about big bucks all the time on

458
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 1: the podcast and on the blog and everything. But in general,

459
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 1: there's so much media now today that shows pictures of

460
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 1: huge deer and and shows videos of huge deer. And

461
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 1: we've got Lee and Tiffany and Mark and Terry Drewy

462
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 1: and everyone whoever else out in Iowa and Kansas and

463
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 1: they're killing massive, big, huge deer, which is great, that's fine.

464
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,640
Speaker 1: But then you've got a guy who lives in Florida

465
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 1: or Georgia or Pennsylvania and they see these deer, and

466
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: they start thinking, well, if I want to kill a

467
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,159
Speaker 1: big deer, which everyone else is doing, I need to

468
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 1: be shooting a hundred sevent buck or two buck or

469
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty buck. And that might not be

470
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,120
Speaker 1: a realistic where you hunt, where you live or given

471
00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 1: your limitations with time or whatever it is. So I think, um,

472
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 1: excuse me, I think it's important for all of us, you, me,

473
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: everyone listening to you be realistic about you know what,

474
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,159
Speaker 1: what you're trying to accomplish, what your goals are. What

475
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 1: is a value where you hunt? Um? And then and

476
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 1: then be okay with that set that realistic goal. It

477
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: doesn't need to be Antler sized. You don't need to

478
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,439
Speaker 1: kill a hundred and sixty buck like Lelakowski. Um. If

479
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 1: you're killing a four year old buck in Pennsylvania that

480
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: it's a hundred and fifteen inches or hundred ten inches,

481
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: that's incredible too. So UM. In this article I wrote,

482
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 1: I interviewed Neil Doherty, who's a white tail consultant and

483
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: he's been in allowed of magazines and just a great

484
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: white tail hunter and an expert in the topic. And

485
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 1: he's worked with tons of white tail hunters and managers

486
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 1: all over the country and something he said, Um he

487
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 1: said two things that I think really stuck with me

488
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: that dimensioned in that piece. UM number one. Instead of

489
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: you know, just setting your goals based on antler size,

490
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 1: which are so variable based on location, instead try to

491
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 1: set goals based on where you hunt. And like a

492
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 1: uh tears, So if you hunt in Michigan and you

493
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: can only hunt in Michigan, try to find out what

494
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: the top of bucks being killed in your area are.

495
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: Maybe you can do that by looking at record books

496
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 1: or looking at talking to a wildlife biologist, whatever it is.

497
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 1: If you want to challenge yourself to start shooting better,

498
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 1: bigger normature bucks, look at what that top tiers in

499
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 1: your area, your top or top ten percent. Figure that

500
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: out and maybe in your area that's a dred tennis buck.

501
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 1: Maybe in your area that's a five year old buck

502
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: that's one fifty. But whatever it is, or whatever criteria

503
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 1: you're interested in, look at what it is in your

504
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: area that you can hunt, and then try to set

505
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 1: goals based on that. UM. That's a more realistic way

506
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 1: to go about it, which is one of his ideas

507
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: and something I think makes a lot of sense when

508
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 1: I first got into deer hunting a long time ago,

509
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: um and I and I actually told the guy that

510
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: I passed. Um, I hadn't I hadn't shot a buck

511
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: yet with my bow, and I passed like a hundred

512
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: and uh. I was probably about oh, eighteen years older.

513
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: I was closer to sixteen. I passed a D And

514
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: the guy goes, why did you pass that? Why did

515
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 1: you pass him? I said, well, because he's not mature.

516
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: And he goes, have you killed a buck before? And

517
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,919
Speaker 1: I said, no, just does. It's like you need to

518
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 1: you should. You should go up in levels. Kill that one.

519
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: Then the next year, try to kill something in the

520
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,640
Speaker 1: one thirties. Then the next year, you know, always try

521
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: to go a little bit bigger, and then you know,

522
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: you can say I've got a couple of bucks under

523
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: my belt. You know. That is if you're concerned with score,

524
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: you know. And then later on in my evolution of

525
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: hunting is when I started throwing age class into it.

526
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's that's awesome. That's so important too. UM.

527
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: When it comes to this whole goal setting idea, I

528
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: think it's awesome to push yourself and I'm always pushing myself.

529
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: You know when it comes to hunting. You know, a

530
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: big part of the reason why I target mature deer

531
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: is that I want that challenge. Right, I'm first and foremost,

532
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: I'm acquiring food and sustenance for my family and myself.

533
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 1: But why I then target older deer is because, right

534
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: I've I've mastered the ability to kill a doe or

535
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: a young buck. But I want to get deeper into it.

536
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: I want to better understand the animals. I want to

537
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: challenge myself as a person, as a hunter more, and

538
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: to do that, I can then target, um a more

539
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: difficult animal to hunt, which is these older, more mature deer.

540
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 1: Now that's the choice that you know I've made personally,

541
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: but it's because I've I've worked my way up to

542
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: that point. And to your point, I think it's really

543
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: important for everyone listening, especially younger people who are maybe

544
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: just getting into it, or no matter what your age is,

545
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: if you're just getting into hunting, don't worry about what

546
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: you see everybody else doing. Because on TV everyone's shooting

547
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: big mature deer. Don't worry about that. Like like you said, Dan,

548
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: it's one step at a time. Um, I've always thought

549
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: of it as like a ladder. So you take one

550
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: step in the ladder, don't try top, don't try jumping

551
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: towards the top. Wrong, you're gonna miss it, You're gonna

552
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: fall in your face. Take one step in time, and

553
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: don't feel bad about doing them. You know, you gotta

554
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: start someplace, and you need to start building those experiences someplace,

555
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: and you need to build up to whatever your end

556
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: goals are. Um, and so I think that would be

557
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: you know, variable number two. At least in my book,

558
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: I'd say, you know, take it one step at a time. Sure,

559
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: I've defined my realistic goals and now you know, be

560
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: okay with taking it one step at a time. I

561
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: don't need to jump to I don't need to what

562
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: what's the super cheesy well, I have a super cheesy things. Um,

563
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: take it one step at a time. Yeah, there you go. So,

564
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: so now that we've defined what what you or me

565
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: or Mark or whoever considers a big buck, now we

566
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: have to find that big buck, right, we have to

567
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: spend time and and try to find our goal. Um,

568
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: we can't just you know there there are steps that

569
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: need to be taken to uh, to get to your goal. Yes,

570
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: So what's what do you think is your first step

571
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: down from your perspective? What's that first step that we

572
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: should be talking about her? Well, you know they all

573
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: are kind of on a on an even level. But

574
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: I want to start off with time, okay, And time

575
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 1: can be trained, you know you can. You can look

576
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: at time a couple of different ways. You can look

577
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: at it as part of the the age structure of

578
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: a buck. You gotta let a buck get to a

579
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: certain age or if you're only a trophy hunter, a

580
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: certain antler size, you know, And the only way to

581
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: get bigger bucks is to let them get old. You know.

582
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: If you want a big antler buck, you gotta let

583
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:41,239
Speaker 1: them get to maturity. All right. So, because you know

584
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: myself and you know, we're focused on age class we

585
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: want to get we want to get our bucks to

586
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: the magic you know, my magic number is four and

587
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: a half years old, all right? And are you are

588
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: were you at three and a half or or what?

589
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: What are your what's your point of view on that?

590
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 1: So for me, it's a little bit different depending on

591
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: where I'm um. So in Michigan, I would probably still

592
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: harvest a three year old because those sons of guns

593
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: are pretty tough to find here, um, but I am

594
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 1: now targeting elsewhere other states. I've decided it's gonna be

595
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: four year olds or older because I've had an opportunity

596
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: now to kill a handful of those, and uh, I'm

597
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: ready to focus just on those perfect perfect all right.

598
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: So now we've we've talked about the time it takes

599
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: for a deer to get into maturity. Now, as you know,

600
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: and as I know, you don't walk into the woods

601
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: and kill a quote unquote big buck or mature deer.

602
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: There is a ton of things that have to be

603
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: done to make it, to make it easier, all right,

604
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: So to increase those odds. So you know, right now,

605
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: we do our shed hunting, We do our you know,

606
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: in the spring, we do our trail you know, we

607
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: start our trail cameras. We're doing our velvet scouting or

608
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: you know, are scouting throughout the year. Um, in the

609
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: summertime before the season starts, we're setting up tree stand

610
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: we are um hanging our tree stands where triman shooting lanes.

611
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: And then that translates into the season where if you're

612
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: not in a tree stand, you can't kill a deer.

613
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: So there is the more time that you have to

614
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: put towards chasing that white tail all year round. I

615
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: feel the better odds you will have, the better Yeah,

616
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: the better odds you will have of killing your target

617
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: bucker or that big buck. I agree. I would make

618
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: one uh, one, I would make I would say one

619
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: other thing. It is not well, two things I guess.

620
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: Number one, it doesn't always need to be the total

621
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,959
Speaker 1: amount of time, but how quality the quality of your

622
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: time to it? It requires. It does require a lot

623
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: of time, but if you're limited on time, it's important

624
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: to think about how to best utilize that time. Smart

625
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: use of your time. But I want to make a

626
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: point here of of um of something that I here

627
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: a lot. There's always the people say I can't kill

628
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: this kind of deer. I can't have that kind of

629
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,760
Speaker 1: success because I don't have enough time. And I would

630
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: say almost in every single case, you can make more time.

631
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 1: What it comes down to is prioritized prioritizing things, and

632
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 1: we all need to take a look at what our

633
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: priorities are. And deer owning doesn't have to be your

634
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 1: number one priority. For lots of people, it's not even

635
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 1: gonna be one of the top priorities at all, and

636
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: that's okay. But if you want to be if you

637
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 1: want to be targeting mature deer consistently and killing them,

638
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: if you if that's something that's important to you, you

639
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 1: need to start prioritizing that. Now. I'm not I'm not

640
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: saying you should prioritize it over your family or your job,

641
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: but there's lots of other things that get in the

642
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 1: way of deer hunting. If you really want to have

643
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: success at maybe you you know you don't. You say

644
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 1: you don't have enough time, but you're going and you're

645
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: going to hang out in your boat every weekend, or

646
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: you are spending three hours night watching you know, you're

647
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 1: binge watching House of Cards on Netflix every night or yesterday,

648
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:10,320
Speaker 1: yeah I did last week. So we are guilty as charged.

649
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: But um, you know, there's there's a whole lot of

650
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: things that suck up time in our lives, and in

651
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: many cases a lot of it isn't that important. So

652
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 1: it's it may or may not be, but each one

653
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: of us has to look and say, Okay, how important

654
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: is deer hunting to me? How important is that? How

655
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,879
Speaker 1: important is deer running success to me? And if it's

656
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: something that's super important. Stop making excuses for why you

657
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: can't put the time in to do the work for it. Um.

658
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,240
Speaker 1: That's something I wrote an article about recently. Not recently,

659
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: I wrote it last year, but I've posted it. I

660
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,399
Speaker 1: think we talked about last week too. But it's something

661
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: I think. It's that the core of my hunting principle

662
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: or mindset is the the idea of execution and prioritizing things.

663
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 1: And it's you know, lots of times we talk about, yeah,

664
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: I want that, I want that success, I want that goal,

665
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: I want that whatever it might be. I want to

666
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: kill this deer. We'll talk about all the time, We'll

667
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 1: dream about it, we'll tell everyone, yeah, I'm gonna do it.

668
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it. But then oftentimes we find excuses

669
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 1: not to put in the work to get to that point.

670
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: And we have to stop doing that. If we want

671
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 1: to reach those goals, we have to start prioritizing them,

672
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 1: putting the time in and actually doing the work. UM.

673
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 1: And that's something I'll probably mention over and over again

674
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: as we go through all these different things, because it

675
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: just applies to all of them. So many of our

676
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: challenges can be overcome if we simply just stop complaining

677
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: about it and making excuses and just do it right. Yep,

678
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 1: and I agree. I just want to make you know,

679
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:40,399
Speaker 1: if if we're looking at an equation here plus your

680
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: minus of this category, if you spend more time hunting,

681
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: you have a better chance of getting the dear year

682
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 1: after all right, if you spend less time, whether there

683
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: whether there is an equation or not, you know, or

684
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: whether there is an excuse or not. Let's say a

685
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: guy had can dedicate one week of his vacation to

686
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: hunting year all right in the rut, and another guy

687
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: can dedicate two weeks. What I'm saying is the guy

688
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 1: with two weeks is gonna is gonna probably have a

689
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 1: better chance because he can he can spend more time.

690
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: I don't know how many times before I had the

691
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 1: job I had now, I got one week vacation, and

692
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: right as I started patterning patterning a deer, my vacation

693
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: was over and I had to, you know, I had

694
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:27,879
Speaker 1: to go back to work. And I'm just like, I'm

695
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: sitting there in my office going, oh my god, I

696
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: know where I want to be right now, and that sucks.

697
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of people out there who are

698
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: like that, So you know, that's that's kind of a

699
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: harsh reality, and at times it may not be it

700
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: may not seem fair, but a guy who can spend

701
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: more time in the timber during a hunting season is

702
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 1: going to be able to know where the deer and

703
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 1: moving pattern hum and and you know, narrowed out down

704
00:37:56,200 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: that that spot to to, you know, to potentially take

705
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: that big bot. I would say I agree with a

706
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: slighted deendum in that, you know, if you've got two

707
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 1: guys and one has one week and one is two weeks,

708
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: if all other things were equal between them, then I'd say, yes,

709
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 1: the guy that has more time is a better opportunity.

710
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: But there is something to be said about quality versus quantity.

711
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: So if I'm a guy who doesn't pay attention to

712
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: any of the details, but I go out there for

713
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: two weeks and you compare that to a guy that

714
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 1: has one week, but he's really smart about it and

715
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: he's doing things right and pay attention to details, I

716
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 1: bet on the one week guy. So so I'd say,

717
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: all things being equal, assuming you're doing everything else right,

718
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: if you have more time, if you can prioritize more

719
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: time or find more time, that's gonna give you a

720
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: better chance. But let's also keep in mind the quality

721
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: of that time and the quality of your sits and

722
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: the quality of those hunts too, right, And and what

723
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: I'm trying to go for here is an equation, all right.

724
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: Let's say X plus y equals big buck. All right.

725
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: X is the variable, you know, and why stays the

726
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 1: same every time. So if the only variable is time,

727
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: the more time you can spend is going to increase

728
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: your odds of getting getting that buck, getting that deer.

729
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: All right. From you know, just from a purely mathematical standpoint,

730
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: being the mathematician that you are, that sons very good.

731
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: I can count to nine. Yeah, but finger jokes. But

732
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: what you said there does make a good point. And

733
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: that's the quality, all right. So a lot of a

734
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: lot of that can go into the quality of the seit,

735
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: you know. Like I remember last year, cold front came

736
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 1: through in mid um mid October, and I believe you

737
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: were hunting, and I was sitting in my cubicle and

738
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 1: I'm going that son of a gun. I wish I

739
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: was where Mark Kenyon was right now, you know, I

740
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: would rather be anywhere else than in my you know,

741
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 1: in my cubicle right now. So those people who have flexibility,

742
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's that's definitely a positive about. But

743
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: back to the quality. You know, then we can start

744
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: throwing in the property, and we can start throwing in

745
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 1: the time of year. You know, we can And this

746
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 1: is where it starts getting crazy, because it just it

747
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: spirals out way out and you can go you can

748
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 1: say there's this affects this, that affects that, you know,

749
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: and and and kind of go go off on so

750
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 1: many different so many different angles. It's it's almost impossible

751
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 1: to talk about. But I do I do feel that

752
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: there are on these categories that we're talking about, ones

753
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: that can raise that that those odds. Yeah, so we

754
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: we've we've said, okay, you need to establish a realistic

755
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: goal or criteria for what your target buck is, your

756
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:55,959
Speaker 1: big buck. We've said that it's important to prioritize time.

757
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: You gotta put time into it and you and we

758
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: need to you know, give bucks time to get to

759
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: whatever that target age or size or whatever it might be. Um,

760
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 1: you mentioned location. I think really briefly, let's talk about

761
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: location because I think location is an important part of

762
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: the big buck equation. Um And from my standpoint, when

763
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 1: I think of location, I think of, you know, the state,

764
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 1: I think about the region of a state. I think

765
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: of then the specific property and anything on the property.

766
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 1: I think all three of those pieces have a dramatic

767
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: impact on the type of success we can have. UM. So,

768
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: if you'll hear me, or do you have a thought

769
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 1: on that or do you want to do here? I

770
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 1: think that you should start because from a white tail perspective,

771
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 1: you've hunted more states than me and kind of have

772
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: a better idea of you know, you I hunt in

773
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,240
Speaker 1: you know, I you know. I don't want to sound cocky,

774
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: but I hunt in one of the great white tail

775
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: states in the nation. You hunt in what could possibly

776
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 1: be one of the worst white hill you know. And

777
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 1: I don't mean that as a joke or you know,

778
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 1: to make people upset, but it's you know, from every

779
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: hunter that I've ever talked to you who hunts in Michigan,

780
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 1: they lead with thee Our state sucks to hunt. It's

781
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 1: it's difficult, it's guys challenges. Yep. So I think you

782
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: should kick that off. As you know, you've hunted Ohio,

783
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: you've hunted Iowa, you've you've hunted Michigan and that kind

784
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: of runs the gamut on on from good to bad. Yeah,

785
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 1: in Illinois and Pennsylvania and Nebraska and oh, Indiana. Because

786
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: I've hit I've hit a number of them, um, and

787
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: so so yes, I've got some interesting experiences across all that.

788
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 1: And so when I think about location, I think there's

789
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: two things here that you think about. First, you can

790
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: either hunt. You can say, okay, I hunt here. I

791
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: hunted home and that's all I do and that's all

792
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 1: I want to do. So then it's okay, this is

793
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: my location here. So it then finding the best property

794
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: within that location, um. And then you know, adjusting, you know,

795
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: going back to number one. The first thing we talked

796
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 1: about your big buck criteria or your target buck criteria. Realistically,

797
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: set that based on where you are right now. If

798
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: you choose you just want to stay where you're at,

799
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: you're gonna live with that. Then set realistic expectations. Um.

800
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 1: But then there's the other side. If you have a

801
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: goal of killing five year olds that are hundred and

802
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 1: fifty inches are bigger, if that's what you want to do,

803
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: then you might need to change your location because you

804
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: know you cannot kill a big buck that doesn't live

805
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 1: where you're hunting. And if where you're hunting doesn't have

806
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: those deer, you need to go elsewhere if that's something

807
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 1: that's important to you, so um, whatever. It all just

808
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: depended on wherever your goal is. But if your goal

809
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: is to kill giant antler deer, giant old antler deer,

810
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 1: you need to go to one of those states where

811
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 1: those deer are you know, more prevalb you don't need to,

812
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: but if you want to be having consistent success, that's

813
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: going to be an important thing to look at. So

814
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: think about that when you're setting your goals. And then

815
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:54,839
Speaker 1: here's an example. A lot of people I hear lots

816
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: of times people saying a lot you can't kill big

817
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: bucks if you don't have a lot of money or

818
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: great big property or live in one of the big estates.

819
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,399
Speaker 1: And I always say, I don't believe. I don't think

820
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: that's true. If you're willing to make the tough choices

821
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 1: and prioritize this goal, you can find a way to

822
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: get to those big bucks or find a way to

823
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: see those So sure, maybe you know, I think I'm

824
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: a decent example of this. I live in Michigan. We

825
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: have tremendous amount hunting pressure. I don't have. I don't

826
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: own any property. I don't have all sorts of money

827
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: to spend on huge leases. Um, I don't have any

828
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 1: of those types of things. But what I just decided,

829
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: I'm not going to go vacation different places. I'm not

830
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 1: gonna go do a bunch of crazy things. I'm not

831
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:35,479
Speaker 1: gonna buy a big fancy house. I'm gonna save money

832
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna put it towards taking trips to Iowa

833
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: or Ohio, or save up some money and buy you know. Um,

834
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: I have a small lease that I pay a little

835
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: bit of money for, but it's affordable. It's something though,

836
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: that helps me. It puts me in the location where

837
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 1: I can target older dear more consistently. So I decided

838
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: to prioritize it, and I chose a location that fit

839
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 1: my goals. So I think that's an important thing. Is

840
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 1: is such your goals and then think about your location

841
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 1: because you know you're gonna beat yourself up and be

842
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 1: pretty unhappy. If your goal is to kill six year

843
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: old huck every year and you hunt five acre property

844
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,760
Speaker 1: in the middle of Pennsylvania. Um, so either be realistic

845
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: about where you're at or go somewhere where you can

846
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: research goals exactly. I agree, I agree, And but that's

847
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: not to say that with a larger chunk of property,

848
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,399
Speaker 1: and you know you don't necessarily have to own it.

849
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: But if you want a five year old, six year old,

850
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: larger rack deer, the genetics are there in Michigan, all right.

851
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 1: You just gotta let him get old, you know, you

852
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 1: gotta let him get to that you gotta get to

853
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: that that age where And I'll put it to you

854
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: this way. Um, a guy who raised deer, same Colora.

855
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: I've brought him up on the um um on the

856
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 1: podcast before. He's actually the guy who shot shipwreck, all right.

857
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 1: He's raised deer for decades, all right. So this is

858
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: what he tells me. He says that at the end

859
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,439
Speaker 1: or during the fourth year of a of a deer's life,

860
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: of buck's life, it's skeletal system has reached maturity, all right,

861
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: if the bones aren't lengthening anymore, um, And so it's

862
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 1: the skeletal system has stopped growing, all right. So that

863
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:27,439
Speaker 1: five and a half year mark, all that energy that

864
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: was going to create you know, longer bones, that calcium

865
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 1: is now going to the rack. All right. So he

866
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: says that he's seen and this is you know, this

867
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: is captive deer where you have controlled studies and whatnot.

868
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: He's seen the biggest jump from the four and a

869
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: half year old to the five and a half year

870
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 1: old age. All right. So there's a little science that

871
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 1: may help you. Like, if you want a big buck,

872
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 1: you know, you have to be willing to let it

873
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 1: get to that to that age. Yeah. That that really

874
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: is the big thing is that they need aged. They

875
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 1: needed the opportunity to reach whatever potential it is that

876
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: they have. Um. And so I think you know, to

877
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 1: your point, wherever, whatever state you live in, if you

878
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: have access to a property where you can manage it

879
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 1: to some degree, you can improve that situation based on

880
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: smart management and you know trigger control, yep, letting deer go,

881
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: if that's your goal, older deer or bigger deer, whatever

882
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: your specific goal is, you know you do have some

883
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: degree of control on that. And uh, you know we've

884
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 1: talked about this one before too. But you'll hear guys

885
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:32,919
Speaker 1: to say, well, I if I don't shoot this buck,

886
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: my neighbor will. Well, sure, maybe there's maybe maybe there's

887
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: a chance. Maybe, let's say there's a fifty chance maybe

888
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 1: that buck gets killed on your neighbors possibly, But if

889
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 1: you shoot him, there's no chance at all he survives.

890
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: He's dead, so he's got he's got much better odds

891
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,919
Speaker 1: if you let him go. Um, I eat my I've

892
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 1: eaten so many deer tags over the year, I could

893
00:47:55,320 --> 00:48:00,800
Speaker 1: probably wallpaper a bedroom. So I mean, you gotta. I

894
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 1: don't even want to talk about it because it just

895
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: kind of pisces me off when people say that. Yeah,

896
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 1: I hear you, and I mean, I just want to

897
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: keep reemphasizing though, like your goals, my goals might not

898
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 1: match up with other thing. That's okay. Everyone can have

899
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 1: their own goal. And if you're the guy that just

900
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 1: wants to kill a deer, yeah that's okay too, if

901
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: that's what you want to do. But I think you

902
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: and me, I think we both agree that when some

903
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: guy keeps sen saying I want to shoot a big buck.

904
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: I want to shoot a big buck. I want to

905
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 1: shoot it a big buck. But then he does that,

906
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 1: you know, hey, no excuses, like part of the problem.

907
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: You're part of the problem. So um, if that's your goal,

908
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 1: you gotta keep that in mind. So one other quick

909
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: other point on location I want to make a point

910
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: about is the actual property itself and getting access to properties.

911
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 1: If you want to kill big, mature deer, you need

912
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 1: to have access to quality properties. And lots of times

913
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: I've done this, and I know people say, well, I

914
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: I hunt the back fifty that I've always hunted, or

915
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: my family has got a farm that's eighty acres and

916
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 1: that's all I hunt. But I really want to kill

917
00:48:58,280 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 1: a six year old deer. I really want to kill

918
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: four old deer, whatever it might be. And you know,

919
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: we all have the ability to access more ground than

920
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 1: whatever we have right now. It just takes effort or

921
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: time or prioritizing our you know, expendable income, whatever it

922
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 1: might be. You can always get access to more properties

923
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: if you're willing to do the work. It takes a

924
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: lot of work. You have to knock on doors, you

925
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: need to talk to people, you need to you know,

926
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 1: trade time or money or effort or whatever it might be.

927
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: But there's ways to find properties where there are the

928
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: kinds of deer you want to hunt. You just need

929
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 1: to be willing to do that work to go get it.

930
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: But it's important to remember either you know, again, you

931
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 1: can't kill big buck that's not there. So either change

932
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 1: your property so that there will be big bucks with

933
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: habitat improvements and smart management, or do the work to

934
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: go access a property where there are um do one

935
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 1: of those two things. Don't stick with the stats quo

936
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 1: and complain about it, you know, make the change either way.

937
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: I would say, that's my perspective right right, and and

938
00:49:58,120 --> 00:49:59,839
Speaker 1: you nail the head you need right on the head,

939
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:05,760
Speaker 1: move go somewhere else, or take care of your property,

940
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: make those adjustments, pass the deer, eat your tags. A

941
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 1: couple of years, then you're gonna start. You know, if

942
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: you have if you're hunting the back forty, what are

943
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 1: you doing to improve that back forty that doer want

944
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 1: to be there? Yeah, yep, I think it's there's there's

945
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 1: always a way. I think is a flat you know,

946
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: don't don't complain or just feel like you're stuck with

947
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 1: the stats quo. You know, find a way. If it's

948
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: a goal and it's important to you, there are options.

949
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:36,760
Speaker 1: And I think that's something that you know, I emphasize

950
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 1: all the time, and I'll keep emphasizing it because It's

951
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 1: just so true. It's so simple, but so true, and

952
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 1: it applies to deer hunting. Um, you know, just as

953
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: much as anything else. Um. One other important thing relates

954
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: to location and properties is pressure. This is something that

955
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 1: I know you've mentioned in your in your notes, Dan, Um,

956
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 1: give me your thoughts on the importance of pressure, high

957
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: or low pressure. Right, So, let's say you are I'll

958
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 1: tell you what. I'll put it this way. Let's say

959
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 1: you're loaded rich. Okay, let's say Dan Johnson wins the

960
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 1: lottery tomorrow. All right, I'm going to say what I

961
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:19,839
Speaker 1: was gonna say. If you do, could you give me

962
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 1: like eighty acres of access on your thousand nare farm.

963
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: I'll think about it, all right, keep in mind, I'll

964
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: think about it. So so I win the lattery tomorrow, right,

965
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go out, and I am now I'm I'm

966
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 1: kind of a hypocrite because I'm gonna go out. I'm

967
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: gonna buy a gigantic piece of property where I'm not

968
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,399
Speaker 1: gonna let anybody hunt. I'm gonna keep the pressure very

969
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 1: low or you know in you know, we had that

970
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: podcast with Lee Lakowski where he's basically conditioned his deer

971
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 1: to be used to human interaction. Right, So I am

972
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 1: gonna plant food plots. I'm gonna make sure the betting

973
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: is to a t. I might even hire grant would

974
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: personally to come to my property and show me exactly

975
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: what I need to do if money is really not

976
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: an option. Right, this is the perfect scenario. Then hunting

977
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: season comes, I hunt a field edge, I wait for

978
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,359
Speaker 1: a big buck to walk by, and I kill it.

979
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 1: Now that's not even that's not guaranteed. But that scenario,

980
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: right there is is like the highest odds that you

981
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:30,879
Speaker 1: could possibly get for, you know, for any type of scenario, right,

982
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: would you agree? Sure? Sure? Okay, So so now what

983
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: were we talking about. We're talking about pressure. So and

984
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 1: everybody else's world. They I share my hunting property with

985
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: like three other three or four other hunters, right, and

986
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 1: then there then there's gun season that you know just

987
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 1: gets flooded with it. But there are there is pressure involved,

988
00:52:55,960 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: all right, And I'm gonna say it's medium pressure. Okay,

989
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: it's not. It's not too terribly high. Where there are

990
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: hunters hunting the same stands every day for you know,

991
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 1: sixty days. That's not happening on my property. But what

992
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:16,399
Speaker 1: I've done is I've used other hunters pressure to make

993
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: my move and find spots where you know, these hunters

994
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 1: that I share the property with, our habit forming, they

995
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: go to the same treat stand that you know, their

996
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 1: ladder stands. They don't, they don't move at all. They

997
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: have their same ladder stands every year. So I've made

998
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 1: my adjustments based off them so and on their access routes.

999
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 1: So I'm using that negative pressure against me. You know,

1000
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: obviously high pressure equals less success and and low pressure

1001
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 1: typically would equal a higher success. Yeah, I think that's

1002
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: you know, when you drill right down to it, Mature deer, big,

1003
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 1: mature dear old deer do not like hunting pressure, which

1004
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: we'll define hunting pressure as human uh interaction. They want

1005
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,240
Speaker 1: they don't. They want to avoid humans as much as possible. So,

1006
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: you know, to your point, if you can minimize that,

1007
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a better chance that there's gonna be

1008
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: mature deer there wherever that is on your hunting property.

1009
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: If there's a deer spending more time in your property

1010
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: because there's not a lot of hunting pressure, you've got

1011
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 1: a much better chance of seeing him and shooting him. Um,

1012
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 1: So you know, to your I think you know overall,

1013
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,879
Speaker 1: when it comes to pressure, you know, killing a big bucker,

1014
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: mature buck, you have to think about pressure. So either

1015
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 1: you need to if you control a property, you need

1016
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: to minimize pressure as much as possible because that will,

1017
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 1: you know, provide a safe environment for that deer to

1018
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 1: want to spend time. Or if you don't have the

1019
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 1: ability to control pressure as much. Mean you can always

1020
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 1: control your own, um, but if you can't control other

1021
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:45,800
Speaker 1: people's pressure, you need to do what you just said,

1022
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 1: which is adjust to that. And either you know, find

1023
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 1: those areas that a buck will go because of other

1024
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 1: people's pressure. So always keep pressure in mind. That's that's

1025
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 1: that's a huge variable that impacts how deer, especially mature

1026
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 1: bucks behave And so you know we need to be

1027
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,240
Speaker 1: thinking about that and thinking about how buck is reacting

1028
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 1: to hunting pressure too. Then you know, decide what kind

1029
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 1: of decisions we're going to make from a hunting standpoint.

1030
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: So that's a that's a super important part of the equation.

1031
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,839
Speaker 1: I think, Um, and you know there is a there

1032
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 1: is uh, there is a certain amount of pressure that

1033
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: deer will tolerate. You know, and I don't know how

1034
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: many times you know, on on working farms. This year,

1035
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 1: I sat up in a new location on one of

1036
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 1: the farms, and there was deer walking right in the

1037
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 1: middle of horses and right in the middle of cattle,

1038
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 1: and they felt very comfortable with that because that's what

1039
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 1: they're used to. UM. Then when you dive down into it,

1040
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 1: you're setting up a tree stand in the middle of

1041
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 1: the rut. That kind of pressure and you're bumping deer

1042
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: from their beds. That kind of pressure is is what

1043
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 1: I would consider negative. It's their conditioned to accept a

1044
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:57,760
Speaker 1: certain amount of it. Anything more is when you start

1045
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 1: tipping the ladders, you know, tipping the eater dotter towards

1046
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,919
Speaker 1: that negative end. Yeah, I think it's definitely. I think

1047
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,240
Speaker 1: to your point, the type of pressure is very different.

1048
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 1: So like deer you used to certain things, just like

1049
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:10,400
Speaker 1: you said, like a farmer on the tractor or stuff

1050
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 1: like that. And then also I think it's also dependent

1051
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:16,319
Speaker 1: on the area. UM. I'm a firm believer that a

1052
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:20,879
Speaker 1: deer in Iowa will react to hunting pressure differently than

1053
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 1: a deer in Michigan. UM. I'm very confident in that

1054
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 1: the deer react differently to pressure or to two greater

1055
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: degrees based on the interaction, because you know, let's say

1056
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 1: in Iowa, um, you know, there's I think the numbers,

1057
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 1: I know, a couple one point eight hunters per square

1058
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:39,879
Speaker 1: mile in Iowa. I think stuffing like that that that's

1059
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 1: not the right number, but it's very low. And then

1060
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 1: you look at a state like New York, where there's

1061
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 1: ten hunters per square mile or somewhere around there. Those

1062
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 1: deer in New York associate human pressure with getting shot

1063
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 1: at a lot more than a deer in Iowa because

1064
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 1: it's just not as much hunting pressure. Even though it's localized.

1065
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 1: It's different everywhere, but in general there's difference is and

1066
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 1: so I think keeping that in mind that in certain

1067
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 1: areas hunting pressure will have a dramatically different effect um

1068
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 1: than in other areas. It's always going to have an impact,

1069
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:11,280
Speaker 1: it's always gonna be important, but it has varying levels.

1070
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:12,880
Speaker 1: So you might be able to get away with one

1071
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 1: thing that a guy in Pennsylvania might not be able

1072
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 1: to get away with them. So it's just you gotta

1073
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 1: understand your area, yep. And then yeah, you nailed it

1074
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 1: on the head there again. Thank you. I agree with you, Mark,

1075
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 1: That's I'm so glad to hear. So you have my approval. Good.

1076
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 1: That's all. That's all I really ever wanted in That's

1077
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 1: all I ever wanted. Um. All right, So I'm I'm

1078
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 1: looking through here. What are the things we've got here

1079
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 1: in the equation. We've got criteria, realistic goals, we've got

1080
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 1: thinking through the g R, the location, we've talked about,

1081
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 1: the specific properties, we've talked about putting the time, we've

1082
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 1: talked about understanding the importance of pressure. Um. I think

1083
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 1: the next big thing that that I that I would

1084
00:57:56,560 --> 00:58:00,439
Speaker 1: want him before we move on a right. I don't

1085
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 1: know if this is where you were going or not,

1086
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 1: but I want to elaborate on the property thing one

1087
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 1: more time or just a look just a little bit more.

1088
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 1: And in the notes here it says big verse small,

1089
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 1: private verse public. All right, So the worst case scenario

1090
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 1: is a small piece of public land that is high

1091
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 1: has high pressure. Right. And some people would think that

1092
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 1: a large piece of private property with no pressure would

1093
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 1: equal a greater success for killing a big buck in

1094
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 1: a way. Yes, but here's here's what I've found over

1095
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 1: a small over over the years. A big piece of

1096
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 1: low pressure hunting property could could at some point be

1097
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 1: very could be difficult to hunt. And what I mean

1098
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 1: by that is all right, so I use a lot

1099
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 1: of trail cameras, but I don't have to trail camera

1100
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 1: to cover every pinch point, every um, you know, ridge,

1101
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: every field. So at some point you have to start

1102
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 1: making decisions on where you're gonna hunt. A large property

1103
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: offers you more decisions, all right, as a let's say

1104
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 1: three acres as opposed to or thirty acres. Right, you're

1105
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 1: limited to that acres if it's a good If it's good,

1106
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 1: you have the you have the quality of deer that

1107
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 1: you want. At some point during the rut, a deer

1108
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 1: is gonna work his way, potentially work his way through

1109
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: that acres. Right, you just have to be in the

1110
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 1: stand for that. Now, what issues we face me and

1111
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 1: Ryan face this year for a larger piece of property

1112
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 1: that that I have the ability to hunt, or it's

1113
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 1: several properties that kind of all run into each other.

1114
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 1: But the large piece of property means I have to

1115
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 1: make more decisions, and I'm spending more time, you know,

1116
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 1: thinking in my head. Do I need to should I

1117
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 1: hunt here? Should I hunt here? Should I hunt here.

1118
00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:01,439
Speaker 1: So just because a property is big doesn't necessarily mean

1119
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 1: that it's better to hunt. I'm going to respectfully disagree, Okay,

1120
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 1: So I will say it may be easier to hunt

1121
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 1: a smaller property, like or what you're saying is that

1122
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 1: a property, you know, having a limited number of options

1123
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 1: might be easier to hunt. And by easier, I mean

1124
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 1: it just makes it easier for someone personally, because, like

1125
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 1: you said, you don't need to make as many decisions.

1126
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 1: You're limited on what you can do and where you

1127
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 1: can go. And a larger property might be more challenging

1128
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 1: to hunt because you have so many options and so

1129
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 1: many decisions to make, and it's hard to say, shoot.

1130
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 1: I could hunt seven different stands with this win direction.

1131
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 1: There's eight different great pinch points I could hunt on

1132
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 1: November five. So I would say it's challenging. But my

1133
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 1: personal opinion SMIT just me, but I would take a

1134
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 1: larger property every day over the smaller property because I

1135
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 1: want those options. And if you're willing to, if you're

1136
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 1: willing to deal with the challenge of making those decisions,

1137
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 1: I think hands down, if you have more options to

1138
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 1: find the right choice, it's going to give you a

1139
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 1: better opportunity at killing a buck. Now, it's not always

1140
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 1: gonna be easier, it's not always gonna make things simple,

1141
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 1: but I personally would still I would rather have the

1142
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 1: big nasty challenge of all the decisions and have those

1143
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 1: options then be limited to just the forty acres where hey,

1144
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 1: there's only one stand hunt. Yes, it makes it easy

1145
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:20,920
Speaker 1: to make the decision. I know that's the one I

1146
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 1: on hunt. But I for me, personally, i'd rarely have

1147
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 1: the challenging options. That's just me, no, and I agree,

1148
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 1: it's just the and from my perspective this year, so

1149
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 1: all the deer in one area, right, and we're waiting

1150
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 1: for this deer to come through. He came through, then

1151
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 1: that area dried up, Okay, so now we have the

1152
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 1: task of you know, going in and finding I don't know,

1153
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 1: I guess, I guess the lay of the land has

1154
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 1: a lot to do to do with it as well.

1155
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 1: If you're in the if you're in the right forty acres,

1156
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 1: I mean, all you really need is one tree in

1157
01:01:56,680 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 1: a shooting lane, however many, however many eat that takes

1158
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 1: up to kill a buck. That's really all you need.

1159
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 1: But it has to be in that right location. Yeah,

1160
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:09,439
Speaker 1: I absolutely agree with that, the right I So I'll

1161
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 1: say this, I'm adding on to that, I would depending

1162
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 1: on the type of property, I would rather have a

1163
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 1: really good forty acre section than a mediocre d twenty

1164
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 1: acre um. I will say the quality of that that

1165
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 1: the type of land or the lay of the land

1166
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 1: or something like that. I would rather have quality than quantity.

1167
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:32,439
Speaker 1: But if if, if quality is the same for both

1168
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:34,439
Speaker 1: of them, like if they both have great pinch points,

1169
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 1: and they they both have great whatever, I would rather

1170
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 1: have the larger because I have the options. But I

1171
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 1: percent agree with you when it comes to, you know,

1172
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 1: having the right piece, because yeah, absolutely, if you've got

1173
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 1: a twenty acre piece that's a pinch point in between

1174
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 1: two terrific properties on either side, you probably can kill

1175
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 1: a great buck every year because you've got the right

1176
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:54,959
Speaker 1: twenty and um. That's an important thing to think about

1177
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 1: when you're out there looking for access or looking to

1178
01:02:57,120 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 1: buy or looking to lease, is thinking about the quality

1179
01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 1: of that land. What does it have going for it.

1180
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 1: Don't just get something because it's really big, think about

1181
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 1: the other elements and factors that can make that property quality.

1182
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 1: Hunting right and the perfect example of that is my

1183
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 1: property in Iowa versus your property in Ohio. Right, you're

1184
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 1: you're proper. How many acres is your lease in Ohio?

1185
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 1: Of which those acres about forty five of it is

1186
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 1: wide open crop field, so there's really only of huntable land.

1187
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 1: It's like two draws, right, two draws and maybe a

1188
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 1: fence line or something. Okay, so here, so that piece

1189
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:38,320
Speaker 1: right there, and and all the trail camera pictures that

1190
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 1: you have of that, of that, all the deer in

1191
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 1: that where you shot draw Breaker, compared to my four

1192
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:53,600
Speaker 1: hundred some acres of working farm cattle, horses, other hunters. Um,

1193
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:57,920
Speaker 1: you're you're gonna my opinion is that you're going to

1194
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:00,160
Speaker 1: have a better success of intercepting a deer at as

1195
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 1: you did this year, as opposed to myos that I

1196
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 1: can hunt and just I guess a different scenario. Yeah,

1197
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 1: And I think exactly. I think it's because it's the

1198
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 1: right it's the right acres. It's it's a it's a

1199
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 1: perfect scenario. Um that makes this property so good. It's

1200
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 1: a it's essentially a pinch point between two really great

1201
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 1: big sanctuaries. And I've got some sanctuary ares where there's

1202
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 1: not any hunting going on. I've got people to manage

1203
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 1: around me along with what we're doing on our property,

1204
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 1: So it's it's the right piece. So I think it's

1205
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:34,920
Speaker 1: a really important thing to think about. Is finding the

1206
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 1: right property, not necessarily the biggest property or the easy

1207
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 1: property or whatever. It is right and the only way

1208
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 1: to find that out is to hunt it and and

1209
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 1: do your research and gain that knowledge. Yeah, I think

1210
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 1: that's a lot a lot of it. I mean, you

1211
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:51,800
Speaker 1: can figure some things up based on maps, right, you

1212
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 1: can get somebody is. But a lot of it, like

1213
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:56,920
Speaker 1: you said, is is learning a property, um, whether on

1214
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 1: the ground or from other people. Um, you know, find

1215
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:02,640
Speaker 1: out about the neighborhood. I think the neighbors of a

1216
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:07,080
Speaker 1: property are really important, especially if you're hunting small properties. Um,

1217
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 1: you know, if you're trying to hunt mature deer, but

1218
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:13,480
Speaker 1: every property all around you they all exclusively shoot every

1219
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 1: single deer they see, Well, you're gonna have a hard

1220
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:17,680
Speaker 1: time reaching that goal on that property. So you might

1221
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 1: want to think about, you know, when you're looking to

1222
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 1: buy land or least land, you know, talk to the

1223
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 1: neighbors around there, find out what they're doing and see

1224
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 1: if they're on the same page with you, Yes, sir,

1225
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 1: So what's next? So I think for me the next

1226
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 1: one is is what I would think is the final piece, UM,

1227
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 1: and what I think is the most important piece. I mean,

1228
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 1: it relates to everything else we talked about a little

1229
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 1: but UM, and you feel free to jump in if

1230
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 1: you think there's something else we didn't cover here. But

1231
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 1: I think this H two covers a lot of the

1232
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 1: other things, and that's UM effort and underneath underneath effort,

1233
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 1: I would lump the time you put into it, your preparation,

1234
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:58,800
Speaker 1: your execution, UM, all those things fall into or your

1235
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 1: in your knowledge knowledge of hunting. All those things for

1236
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:05,640
Speaker 1: me falls underneath effort because for me, and again we

1237
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 1: talked about a couple of times, it's prioritizing, prioritizing things.

1238
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 1: So how important is this to you? And it's it's

1239
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 1: okay if it's not that important, If you just want

1240
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:14,440
Speaker 1: to go out for fund, that's all right. But for

1241
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:16,720
Speaker 1: the you know, maybe there's fifty percent of you. Really

1242
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:19,439
Speaker 1: for our audience, most of our audience here Wired Hunt

1243
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:22,479
Speaker 1: are the ones who take deer hunting very seriously. So

1244
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 1: probably of the people listening to this take deer hunting,

1245
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:28,480
Speaker 1: super super seriously. We have high standards and goals when

1246
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:32,160
Speaker 1: we're hunting these deer. So if that's our goal, the

1247
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:35,920
Speaker 1: most important thing I think is to then put the

1248
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 1: appropriate amount of effort, time, preparation, and research into it.

1249
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 1: So that means never stopping learning. Um, you know, always

1250
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 1: learning more, always you know, reading more about deer more,

1251
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 1: finding new ideas, finding new strategies, under looking at people's success,

1252
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 1: kind of reverse engineering how these people had success, looking

1253
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:58,720
Speaker 1: at the different things they did, and trying to find

1254
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:01,040
Speaker 1: ways to apply that to what you're doing. Um, So,

1255
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 1: nowledge is something really important. I don't for me. You

1256
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 1: you never want to stay stagnant. You never want to

1257
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 1: just stick with what's comfortable. Always push yourself to learn more,

1258
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:15,680
Speaker 1: always push yourself to improve. Um. And then number two though,

1259
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:19,400
Speaker 1: which is I think almost even more important. And um

1260
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:22,240
Speaker 1: maybe it's the rarer of the two. Excuse me about

1261
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 1: to have a hiccup here. Yeah, is this? I think

1262
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:30,439
Speaker 1: A lot of us are pretty decent at learning, and

1263
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:31,960
Speaker 1: and by that I mean like a lot of us

1264
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:34,200
Speaker 1: go when we read North American White Tail, or we

1265
01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 1: read Deer and Deer Hunting, or reread wird hunt, or

1266
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 1: we go to different websites or blogs, or we read books,

1267
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:41,880
Speaker 1: we watch TV shows, we consume a lot of deer

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Speaker 1: hunting really content, right, you do, I do, um, and

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Speaker 1: a lot of our listeners do. I would say, though,

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Speaker 1: that the percentage of people that actually implement and take

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Speaker 1: action on a lot of the things they read about

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Speaker 1: is much much smaller. And that's the case across everything.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you're talking about business people, there's lots

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Speaker 1: of people to read lots of great business books or

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Speaker 1: you know, do a lot of you know, listening about

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01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:08,400
Speaker 1: great business tactics or strategies. But it's a much much

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Speaker 1: smaller number of people that actually do the work and

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Speaker 1: take the action to implement. And I think that's the

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Speaker 1: most important in my opinion, one of the most important

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Speaker 1: things is just taking action. We've talked to this whole

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Speaker 1: big buck equation, all these different things, right, most of

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Speaker 1: us we know these things. These are general ideas that

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Speaker 1: a lot of us know and understand, But how many

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Speaker 1: of us are actually really doing the work to to

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01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:34,360
Speaker 1: to take action on these different things. Are you, you know,

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Speaker 1: doing as much work as you possibly can to get

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Speaker 1: access to the properties that you want to hunt? Are

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Speaker 1: you knocking on doors a year or are you just

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Speaker 1: complaining that you don't have anywhere to hunt this year? Uh?

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Speaker 1: You know, are you going and fixing all your tree

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01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:49,559
Speaker 1: stands every year to improve them? You know you want

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Speaker 1: to move them. You know you should be in this

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01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:53,640
Speaker 1: betting area. You know you should have a stand in

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01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:57,519
Speaker 1: that funnel. But are you getting to the summer and saying, jeez,

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01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:00,160
Speaker 1: it's hot out, I'd rather go to the boat. Are

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Speaker 1: you going in there and actually doing the work and

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Speaker 1: making those changes and sweating, getting you know, nicked up

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Speaker 1: with birds and getting tick bites, and actually putting in

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Speaker 1: the time and effort. For me, I think that is

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Speaker 1: the greatest difference between the guys that just hunt deer

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Speaker 1: and sometimes have success, sometimes don't, and the guys and

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Speaker 1: you guys and girls who go out there and consistently

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01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:24,960
Speaker 1: kill target bucks, mature deer, whatever it is their goals.

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Speaker 1: That's for me, I think that's the biggest difference. There's sure,

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Speaker 1: there's lots of things, but the ones that really actually

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Speaker 1: take the action and actually do the work and prioritize

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01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:36,400
Speaker 1: us those are the people that have consistent success. That's

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Speaker 1: my overall thesis. And like my my big overall, like um,

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Speaker 1: just belief system about deer hunting success. Everything else falls

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Speaker 1: underneath that for me, what what are your thoughts on that?

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Speaker 1: Damn you know. I'll put it to you this way.

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Speaker 1: My family comes first over everything, okay, but white tail

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Speaker 1: hunting comes first for as as far as hobbies and

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Speaker 1: everything else. I don't golf, I don't have a boat.

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Speaker 1: I don't um spend money doing going to you know, concerts,

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01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:20,640
Speaker 1: or spending money doing on you know, other other activities.

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Speaker 1: I am obsessed with white tails, all right. I turkey

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Speaker 1: hunt because I can't white tail hunt. I fish because

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01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:32,879
Speaker 1: I can't white tail hunt, or do you know it's

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01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:36,599
Speaker 1: I can't You literally can't do unless you had your

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01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:39,639
Speaker 1: own property, you can't do something with white tails every day.

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Speaker 1: So I have these other things that keep me busy,

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Speaker 1: but my mind is on white tails all the time.

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Speaker 1: I'm always looking at maps. I'm always trying to figure

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Speaker 1: out what the next you know, what the next best

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01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:56,240
Speaker 1: tree stamm location is. I'm knocking on doors. You know,

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01:10:56,360 --> 01:11:01,920
Speaker 1: I have access right now to um somewhere somewhere close

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Speaker 1: to five acres okay that I can hunt. That's that's

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Speaker 1: a lot and that's in a good piece of um,

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Speaker 1: in a in a good area where there's a good deer.

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Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean anything, Okay, as if you want

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01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:18,800
Speaker 1: to be uh, if you want to be a big

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01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:22,040
Speaker 1: buck killer, you have to you have to have access

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Speaker 1: to all the property and scout all the property so

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Speaker 1: you can find that next big deer. You have to

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Speaker 1: be in the right spot at the right time. Is

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Speaker 1: basically what I'm trying to is trying to get at

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01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:37,080
Speaker 1: and if you if you limit yourself from not having

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01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:39,840
Speaker 1: you know, not knocking on that door, yeah they're going

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01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:42,639
Speaker 1: to tell you know. But if they tell you, yes,

1341
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:46,000
Speaker 1: guess what you just gained. You know, however many more

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01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:48,479
Speaker 1: acres to put that piece of the pustle together to

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01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:51,760
Speaker 1: harvest that big deer, you know. And I think what

1344
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 1: we're getting at here is stop being lazy. You know.

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01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:58,760
Speaker 1: You have to you have to say, is this what

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01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:01,320
Speaker 1: I want to do? Or not? Me? And you Mark,

1347
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 1: we're crazy about it. This is what we want to do. Yeah,

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01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:09,640
Speaker 1: Hunson agree, It's it's exactly that. And I told you

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Speaker 1: there's gonna be some people listening here who say, well,

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01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:13,559
Speaker 1: I do really want to fish, I do really want

1351
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 1: to Turkey on I really do want to go to

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01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:18,320
Speaker 1: concerts with my wife in the Bahamas, And that's okay.

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01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:21,599
Speaker 1: If that's what you want to do, that's okay. UM.

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01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:25,000
Speaker 1: But if your goal is to consistently kill big deer,

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01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:28,840
Speaker 1: mature deer, and that's super super important. If that is

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Speaker 1: the priority that you and me place that which is

1357
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:33,520
Speaker 1: you know, underneath our family faith, whatever it is. Um,

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01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:36,080
Speaker 1: if it's right up there near the top. You need

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01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:38,040
Speaker 1: to walk the walk. You can't just talk the talk.

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01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:41,719
Speaker 1: You have to start taking action and doing the work

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01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:45,400
Speaker 1: and sacrificing some things. And UM, that's what comes down to.

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Speaker 1: I think all these different criteria we've talked about, none

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Speaker 1: of them mean anything if you don't actually take action

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Speaker 1: on it and do the work. So and the reason

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Speaker 1: and the reason that I that I do all those

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Speaker 1: do things the way that I do is because I

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Speaker 1: would love to go to a concert in the Bahamas,

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Speaker 1: are on a vacation, but I don't have I don't

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Speaker 1: have that money, right, So every dollar I spend has

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01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:16,719
Speaker 1: to be efficient because trail camera batteries cost money, mineral

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01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:21,400
Speaker 1: cost money, arrows cost money, hunting license and tags cost money.

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Speaker 1: Travel to get to Idaho cost money. So for me,

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01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:31,200
Speaker 1: it all all revolves around money. Because money, you have

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01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:33,800
Speaker 1: to have money to do it. You have to have money,

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01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:36,120
Speaker 1: whether it's a little bit of money to have the

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01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:39,000
Speaker 1: bare necessities or a lot of money to have all

1377
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:42,559
Speaker 1: the bells and whistles. Money is very important, and not

1378
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:45,320
Speaker 1: just in hunting, but but every decision you make in life.

1379
01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:47,840
Speaker 1: Are you do you want that that big house with

1380
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:51,000
Speaker 1: the extra bedroom and master bath, or or do you

1381
01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:53,360
Speaker 1: want that you know, the house that is gonna do

1382
01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:56,040
Speaker 1: you just fine? But now you have that other a

1383
01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:58,120
Speaker 1: dollar amount to have a lease every year, you know

1384
01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:00,559
Speaker 1: what I mean? Yeah, I mean you don't need a

1385
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 1: ton of money, but you just need to prioritize your

1386
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:05,960
Speaker 1: money and you're spending decisions to allow you to to

1387
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:08,200
Speaker 1: get whatever bare minimum you need to reach whatever your

1388
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:10,280
Speaker 1: goals are. And I think that's the big thing. Like

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01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:11,880
Speaker 1: I hear so many people say, well I can't travel

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01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:14,200
Speaker 1: last day because I don't have enough money. But just

1391
01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 1: like your point, you know, well what if you give

1392
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:20,280
Speaker 1: up your Starbucks every day? Or what if you stop

1393
01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:27,280
Speaker 1: drinking bush light every now? That too, So it's it's

1394
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:30,280
Speaker 1: just you gotta make choices, figure out what's important. For you,

1395
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:33,360
Speaker 1: and if you know, if this this stuff we're talking about,

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01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:36,400
Speaker 1: if that's really one of the most important things for you,

1397
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:39,320
Speaker 1: you know, just stop making excuses and start making choices

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01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:42,639
Speaker 1: that you know lead down that path. So I think

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01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:44,519
Speaker 1: that's it. I think, I don't know. I think for

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01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:49,200
Speaker 1: me that those are the high level pieces of the equation. Yes,

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01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:51,360
Speaker 1: there's a million different little things underneath it, all the

1402
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:54,559
Speaker 1: strategies and tactics and tips and all that, but at

1403
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:58,040
Speaker 1: a super high level, these five or six different large variables.

1404
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:00,800
Speaker 1: If you think about these things, can sider these things,

1405
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:04,439
Speaker 1: factor them into your decision making process, and then prioritize it,

1406
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:07,120
Speaker 1: give it the time and effort needed. You can have

1407
01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:10,240
Speaker 1: success killing big Bucks or mature Bucks or whatever your

1408
01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:14,559
Speaker 1: target is. You can do it. Yeah, I agree. And

1409
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:21,599
Speaker 1: you know, finishing finish what you start. That's that's important too,

1410
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:23,920
Speaker 1: don't you know, don't go half asked into something you know,

1411
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:27,840
Speaker 1: don't don't don't hit a barrier or a wall and

1412
01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 1: then oh god, this is hard. I don't. I'm tired.

1413
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 1: I don't want to move my trees. Doan you know

1414
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:38,120
Speaker 1: you just lost? Yeah, absolutely, so true. That's a a

1415
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:43,519
Speaker 1: great principle. Just in general life, but very relevant to

1416
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:47,519
Speaker 1: deer hunting mature deer. And although me and you are

1417
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:53,360
Speaker 1: very serious about deer hunting, fun man, you know, and

1418
01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:55,439
Speaker 1: you know, I think you mentioned that that there's different

1419
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:59,400
Speaker 1: levels of fun, but you gotta have fun because if

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01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:01,720
Speaker 1: you're not having fun and you're you're killing yourself and

1421
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:04,120
Speaker 1: you're doing it for a reason, Hey I gotta excute

1422
01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:06,120
Speaker 1: a bigger deer than my buddy, Well, you're doing it

1423
01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:10,040
Speaker 1: for the wrong reasons. Yes, that's as a perfect way

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01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:12,400
Speaker 1: to end this podcast, I think, Dan, because that's so important,

1425
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:15,559
Speaker 1: so important across all these things we've talked about, our

1426
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:17,719
Speaker 1: goals and all the different work and time and effort

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01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:19,559
Speaker 1: and all these things that go into it. And it's

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01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:22,000
Speaker 1: great to have those goals and to pursue them, but

1429
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:25,160
Speaker 1: in the very end, if you're not enjoying yourself doing this,

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01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:27,840
Speaker 1: and if you're doing it for the wrong reasons, it's

1431
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:31,400
Speaker 1: all worthless. Right. So that's why that's why you quit

1432
01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:35,880
Speaker 1: modeling for Abercrombie and Fitch, because you weren't having fun.

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01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:40,960
Speaker 1: How how do you manage to bring that into this conversation?

1434
01:16:42,120 --> 01:16:46,639
Speaker 1: You gotta bring it up. No one mentioned it online

1435
01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:49,000
Speaker 1: this week. So I figured I'd meant i'd bring it out.

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01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:51,160
Speaker 1: No they did, man, they did mention it. When I

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01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:54,680
Speaker 1: posted the article about the Outdoor Life cover, there were

1438
01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:57,679
Speaker 1: several people. Someone was like, oh, so the Abercrombie cover

1439
01:16:57,800 --> 01:16:59,920
Speaker 1: or the Abercrombie catalog wasn't good enough for you anymore.

1440
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:03,200
Speaker 1: And someone else thought, oh, I thought mental health is

1441
01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:07,920
Speaker 1: gonna be next for you, or I got it. You

1442
01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:09,720
Speaker 1: can edit this out if you want, but I leave

1443
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:15,640
Speaker 1: it in. Oh no, this is ah, this is in it,

1444
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:17,360
Speaker 1: this will be in it, and I'm sure I'll get

1445
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:20,400
Speaker 1: hell about it. And one last thing though, on a

1446
01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:24,080
Speaker 1: serious note, is I would love you know, me and

1447
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:29,679
Speaker 1: YouTube finish this conversation with the listeners out there. Ask

1448
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:33,920
Speaker 1: us questions, you know, send us emails, um, you know,

1449
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:37,280
Speaker 1: even if it's on Facebook or something. You know, we

1450
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:40,519
Speaker 1: would we would love to hear your scenarios because that

1451
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:44,719
Speaker 1: what that's what makes this this podcast run is you guys.

1452
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:47,760
Speaker 1: So um, the more you know, more questions we can

1453
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:49,920
Speaker 1: answer for you or you know, say, hey, you guys

1454
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:54,160
Speaker 1: forgot about this. We need to learn to. So absolutely true,

1455
01:17:54,439 --> 01:17:56,559
Speaker 1: that is a huge son. We you know, you and

1456
01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:58,559
Speaker 1: me were by no means that we the end all

1457
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:00,759
Speaker 1: experts on this. Of course we we've said a million

1458
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:02,559
Speaker 1: times we want to learn more too, So I think

1459
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:05,439
Speaker 1: it's a great idea. And how about this. If you're

1460
01:18:05,479 --> 01:18:07,600
Speaker 1: listening to this and you're thinking, you know me and

1461
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:09,280
Speaker 1: Dan says some great things, but that you're thinking of

1462
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:12,000
Speaker 1: another important point or two, or another couple of variables

1463
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:15,160
Speaker 1: that we didn't mention at all, will you please share

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01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:16,479
Speaker 1: that with us, Share that with the rest of the

1465
01:18:16,479 --> 01:18:18,320
Speaker 1: wire to hunt community so we can all see that

1466
01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:20,240
Speaker 1: and learn from that too. And the best the best

1467
01:18:20,280 --> 01:18:22,800
Speaker 1: way to do that is go to wired to hunt

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Speaker 1: dot com slash episode forty. That will take you to

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Speaker 1: the blog post for this episode, and leave a comment

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Speaker 1: on that blog post and just say you forgot about

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Speaker 1: the importance of water sources or whatever it might be,

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01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:37,240
Speaker 1: whatever the thing is that's on your mind right now

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01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:39,439
Speaker 1: that we didn't mention that you think would be important

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01:18:39,439 --> 01:18:42,040
Speaker 1: for other hunters to know, right it's that comment. And

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Speaker 1: then you know, five days from now or ten days

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Speaker 1: from now, when twenty of you have all added your comments,

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Speaker 1: or more however many of you want to add something,

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Speaker 1: we'll all be able to look back at that and say, Wow,

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Speaker 1: here's a whole bunch of other really good things to

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Speaker 1: consider because there are a lot of other things out there. Um,

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Speaker 1: so yeah, we would love to hear from you. Go

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01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:02,559
Speaker 1: to wird too dot com slash episode forty eight and

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Speaker 1: leave us a comment with any other thoughts that you

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Speaker 1: think people should keep in mind related to the big

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Speaker 1: buck equation, And I would say, how about this. We

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Speaker 1: will look at all those comments and on the next episode, um,

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Speaker 1: the next one or two episodes, we're gonna revisit this

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Speaker 1: to some degree, maybe in a couple of weeks, and

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Speaker 1: we'll read some of your additional comments on the air

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Speaker 1: for the whole podcast to hear. Perfect. So I think

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Speaker 1: that is a good place to wrap things up. Dan,

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Speaker 1: what do you think, Well, let's call her quits alright. Then,

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01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:38,599
Speaker 1: as I mentioned already, I'll say it one more time.

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Speaker 1: Go to wired hunt dot com slash episode forty eight,

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01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:44,160
Speaker 1: leave your comment, and then also we'll have links to

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01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:47,000
Speaker 1: different things that have been on wired hunt or dance blog.

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Speaker 1: The nine finger chronicles that are related to this will

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Speaker 1: link to those. You can get more information. Um, go

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01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:54,960
Speaker 1: there and we'll have everything you need to know. Also,

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Speaker 1: as we always say, if you've been enjoying the show,

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01:19:57,560 --> 01:19:59,599
Speaker 1: your head over to iTunes and leave us a review.

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01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:02,360
Speaker 1: That would be super helpful. Um it comes in really

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01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:04,840
Speaker 1: handy when new people are, you know, trying to find

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01:20:04,840 --> 01:20:07,479
Speaker 1: a hunting podcast. If they see that there's reviews about

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01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:09,840
Speaker 1: the wire Tump podcast, it's gonna encourage them to give

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Speaker 1: it a listen to try it out. And I hope

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01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:14,360
Speaker 1: that you found this helpful. And if you found it helpful,

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01:20:14,479 --> 01:20:16,679
Speaker 1: there's probably another hunter out there there would too, and

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01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:19,320
Speaker 1: your review can help them find it, learn new things

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Speaker 1: about deer hunting, and have more success in the future.

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Speaker 1: So help those guys and girls out. Finally, we would

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Speaker 1: also like to thank our partners who help make this

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Speaker 1: show possible. Big thank you to sick A, Gear Trophy,

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Speaker 1: Ridge Bear Archery, Red Knight, Blinds, Huntera, Maps, Hunt Soft,

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Speaker 1: Lacrosse Boots, and the White Tail Institute of North America.

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Speaker 1: And of course also thank you to you. You guys

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Speaker 1: make the show possible. And you know whatever a quote

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Speaker 1: unquote big Buck is to you, if your goals to

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Speaker 1: chase one, I hope you'll put in the time and

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Speaker 1: effort and the hard work to make that a reality.

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Speaker 1: So keep on grinding, work hard, and as always stay

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Speaker 1: why Earth, From to hunt