1 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to episode nine of Cardinal Territory. I'm Katie Woo. 2 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: He's Trevor Rosenthal. Happy Winter warm up week. The event 3 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: of the year, or at least the off season. Probably 4 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: it is the Cardinals maybe unofficial start to baseball season. 5 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:24,280 Speaker 1: Nothing says baseball like still on the ground and single 6 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: digit temperatures in Saint Louis. But we are excited to 7 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: reunite with the organization this weekend. Anyway, Trevor, how. 8 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 2: Are you, Hey, Katie. I'm doing great. Good to see 9 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 2: you as always. Yeah, I'm excited for this weekend. It's 10 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 2: finally here. I got something to look forward to. We 11 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 2: got the big event going to be in Saint Louis 12 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 2: and see a lot of familiar faces, which I'm looking 13 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 2: forward to. 14 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm eagerly anticipating having at least I'll know I'll 15 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: have something to write. I mean, this offseason has been 16 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: so slow. I talked about this last episode. I was 17 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: like aggressively chasing arbitration rumor, which is a ridiculous thing 18 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: to do. It's ridiculous to like be like, oh, is 19 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: this guy maybe going to get a contract or what's 20 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: he going to make for his one year? Because I 21 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 1: just hadn't done that in a while, and I was like, 22 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 1: I feel going through our athletics Slack channel every day. 23 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: All of these beat writers have such talented stuff. Their 24 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,320 Speaker 1: stories are so good, such in depth reporting on all 25 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: their signings, and I'm like the person at the like 26 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,479 Speaker 1: the group party or whatever, the group project I should say, 27 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: that doesn't contribute anything, and it's just kind of there. 28 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: So we always get these messages from our bosses like 29 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: great job, team, like this our baseball vertical just continues 30 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 1: to crush, and I'm like, yeah, yeah, we do. I'm 31 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 1: not doing anything, but the rest of you guys are 32 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: doing great, so we'll be all. 33 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 2: A little envious of the rest of the market. I'm 34 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 2: there with you. I'm there with you. I can't wait 35 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 2: for us to have some really good content to discuss 36 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 2: on this show, because I mean, we are going to 37 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 2: bring it here at Cardinal Territory. We just need this 38 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 2: substance to go along with it. We go and do 39 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 2: we go and carry it so far, I know we. 40 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: Can only kind of bes for so long. We need 41 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,639 Speaker 1: actual substance to talk about otherwise, Like I don't I 42 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: don't know, I don't even want to think about what 43 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 1: we get into if this continues. So at least we 44 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: know this weekend we'll have a ton of I don't 45 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: want to say news. I don't know if we're gonna 46 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: have actual news, but people are going to talk to us, 47 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 1: so that is exciting. Interviews, press conferences, hopefully much be great. 48 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,239 Speaker 2: I love you. Had Bernie on last week. I was 49 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 2: listening to him and he referred to me, or he 50 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,799 Speaker 2: referred to himself as being under me in the context 51 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 2: of coming on the show, and I was like, Bernie, like, 52 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 2: you are the expert here. I am I'm trying to 53 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 2: learn from you. So I appreciate him giving me a 54 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 2: couple of shout outs. That was fun to listen to, 55 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 2: and of course he is. He's always fun to listen. 56 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 2: He does a great job. He knows the Cardinals inside 57 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 2: it out. So great guys. You guys did a good 58 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 2: job last week. 59 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: Thank you. We'll have to get uh, we'll have to 60 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: do all three of us on our next episode because 61 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: I definitely plan on having Bernie back. He was great. Yeah, 62 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 1: let's get into it before we talk about all things 63 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: winn and warm up again. So exciting. We did have 64 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: a little bit of news Andrew Kittridge was not expected 65 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: to come back to the Cardinals this season. Twenty twenty five. Oh, 66 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 1: I got rid of Trevor. Oh my gosh, I'm doing 67 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 1: so bad with the video. There we go, I'm good 68 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:26,239 Speaker 1: three times a charm. Andrew Kittridge has signed a one year, 69 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: ten million dollars deal with the Baltimore Orioles. Again, he 70 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: was not expected to be brought back to the organization, 71 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: but still a significant departure. Nonetheless, when you think about 72 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: what Kittridge did for this Cardinal's bullpen last year, one 73 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: of the most efficient and reliable bullpens in the National League, 74 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: and he was right up there and holds leaders among 75 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: the National League believers as well. Trevor, what are your 76 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: thoughts on this signing? First of all, a nice little 77 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: payday for Kittridge. 78 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, you love to see that. You know. It's it's 79 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 2: not easy to make that type of money being the 80 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 2: bullpen and especially as a setup guy. So good for him. 81 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 2: I'm super happy for him. And my favorite thing, or 82 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 2: I guess how I got introduced to Andrew Kittridge, is 83 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 2: of him being referred to as the drunk Uncle because 84 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 2: of his pitching mechanics on Twitter. So those those responses 85 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 2: spurred up again with this signing, and it's fun to 86 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 2: see that. But you know, a great pitcher and a 87 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 2: guy that's gonna be hard to replace. I mean there's 88 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 2: some that's a lot of innings, a lot of solid 89 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 2: innings that are gonna have to be replaced in one 90 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 2: way or another this year. 91 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's funny what you say about Kittridge's mechanics, because 92 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: the first time he came out, my dad who my 93 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: dad is on West Coast like love the Giants and 94 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: aise growing up, but religiously watches the Cardinals, so because 95 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 1: he just I mean, it's all we talk about is baseball. 96 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 1: So the first time Kittridge comes out of the bullpen, 97 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: my dad goes, this guy looks like he should be 98 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: playing like adult league softball with his mechanics. It's so easy. 99 00:04:56,320 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: And he loved Andrew Kittridge from that, like, so I 100 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: don't know, it's still effortless, and I'm like, how is 101 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: this guy throwing gas? He litle looks like he could 102 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: go be like across the street playing like a pickup 103 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: sooftball game. So we will miss that, and I think 104 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: Cardinals fans will miss that presence. But the good news 105 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: is because it's January, we can still be optimist. Optimist, 106 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: I guess about the twenty twenty five season, there are 107 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: some internal candidates to replace Kittridge, Trevor. Who you got 108 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 1: Who are you looking at internally to take that next 109 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 1: step up in the bullpen? 110 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean when I look at the roster as 111 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 2: it stands right now, not a ton of household names 112 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,559 Speaker 2: or names that would jump out. And you know, first 113 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 2: and foremost, to have a successful bullpen, it takes the 114 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 2: whole unit. You know, if you have multiple guys or 115 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 2: really every single guy that's contributing in a positive manner, 116 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 2: it goes It helps out everybody. It takes the stress 117 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 2: level off of everybody, not not just the team in general, 118 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 2: but the whole pitching staff. So it's going to be 119 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 2: a group effort. And it's nice that you have a 120 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 2: solid piece like Ryan Helsley, and I would say to 121 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 2: at the very minimum, I mean, you have two guys, 122 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 2: and for me, the way I look at it right now, 123 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 2: that second guy is most likely going to be Ryan Fernandez, 124 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 2: a guy that can pitch late in the game, pitching 125 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 2: big spots and and do it. Do a good job 126 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 2: and eat up some considerable innings. And beyond that, I mean, 127 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 2: the doors kind of open. There's definitely a lot of talent, 128 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 2: a lot of guys that I'm impressed with. I'm glad 129 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,799 Speaker 2: that they have some good depth on the left handed 130 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,799 Speaker 2: pitching side. I think that's gonna be a big help. 131 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 2: But again, we're gonna have a lot more to talk 132 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 2: about once we get into spring training. Right now, it's 133 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 2: it's for me a lot of question marks to be 134 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 2: answered behind beyond those those two guys, I. 135 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: Agree with you. Ryan Fernandez was the Rule five pick 136 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: last year. It is tough being a Rule five pick 137 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: because you have to post. If you don't, you're basically, 138 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 1: I mean, the Cardinals can't keep you. And if you're 139 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: at a Rule five pick, unless you're on the injured list, 140 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: you have to stay on the active roster all year long. 141 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: So it did complicate things from a roster construction standpoint, because, 142 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: as you know, in the bullpen, it's all about like, hey, 143 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: next man up, who is the freshest arm. But Fernandez 144 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: could have complicated things a lot more if he wasn't 145 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: as effective as he was, and he absolutely had a 146 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: great rookie campaign, and he's going to be factored in 147 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: for some of those high leverage spots. Jojo Romero, I 148 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: thought we also saw how to break out year last year. 149 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: He's a guy that's going to take the balls off 150 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: and as he can. Man, when you think about that 151 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: first half of the season, the Romero to Kittridge to 152 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: Hellesley pipeline, seventh, eighth, ninth inning. Every day those guys 153 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: posted and no one said no Kittridge would I don't 154 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: even know. I need to know, like his strength training plan, 155 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: his diet plan, because that dude was always down to 156 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: pitch and even when Olie Marma was like I need 157 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: to stay away from you, your kittridch was like, nah, 158 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: I'm fine. And you can see that kind of mentality 159 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: with Jojo too. But Cardinals fans they know these guys. 160 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: They saw them last year again, a really affective bullpen 161 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: for the club. I'm going to go with a name 162 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: that I think most fans will recognize, but we haven't 163 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: seen him too much at least to this point. I'm 164 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: going Gordon Groseppo. And here's my disclaimer. The Cardinals haven't 165 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: designated a role for him yet. I'm sure he'll come 166 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: to spring training as a starter, as they all do. 167 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: But if you're looking for someone that can bring high 168 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: radar in short bursts, I think that's Gordon Groseppo. The 169 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: biggest struggle he's had in his professional career is sustainability. 170 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: And as a starter, of course, you know, if you 171 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: go three innings and your stuff is great, awesome, but 172 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: we've seen griseppo stuff start to dip after the fourth inning, 173 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: after the fifth inning, where he's not as effective. If obviously, 174 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: I think the best situation would be for him to 175 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:39,839 Speaker 1: figure out that that stuff, and maybe he has. That's 176 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: why we can talk about it. I wouldn't warm up 177 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: with him so exciting, but if that's not something that 178 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: he can he's been able to fix, If that's something 179 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: where he's more effective in short bursts, I would love 180 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: to see what he brings to the Cardinals bullpen. I 181 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 1: think we're going to see him get a shot to 182 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 1: make that major league club come spring training. But yeah, 183 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: the Cardinals are going to have to have some guys 184 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: step up. Chris Croft had a nice showing early on. 185 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: What are we gonna see from Riley O'Brien. He's been 186 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 1: this of the year hurt last year, there are names 187 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: to look at. They aren't household names like you said, Trevor, 188 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: but they are names nonetheless. So we'll be exciting to 189 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 1: see how that club replaces Andrew Kittridge, especially given them 190 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: how important and how critical frankly that bullpen was last year. 191 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 2: This is gonna sound bad, But how do you say 192 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 2: Kyle Lee Lee? 193 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: He lay he, don't worry. I mess with their names 194 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 1: all the time and I just guess and then they 195 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: tell me if it's wrong. 196 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 2: So it's good, lay he he. I'm excited about him. 197 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 2: You mentioned Riley O'Brien. He has some nasty stuff, So 198 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 2: I mean there's guys, there's some arms. When I was 199 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 2: doing some research preparing for this and watching video of 200 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 2: all the guys that they have to choose from, at 201 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 2: least on the forty man roster, there's options there, so 202 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 2: that to me is exciting. But like I said, it's 203 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 2: going to take everybody kind of piecing it together and 204 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 2: finding their stride, hopefully early in the season, and I'm 205 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 2: looking forward to that. 206 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: The good news is Ryan Helsley, most likely like ninety 207 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 1: nine percent, is going to be back on himself a 208 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 1: nice payday and nice raise. Well, deserved. It is some 209 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,559 Speaker 1: comforting when you're going to have a younger bullpen, most 210 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: likely to have a veteran presence, someone who's really commanded 211 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 1: last season as one of baseball's best relievers locking down 212 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: your ninth inning. So I'm excited to see what Ryan 213 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: Helsley has to say about his off season as well. 214 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: Let's get to it. Let's get to the main event. 215 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: Win a warm up preview, because that's where we're at 216 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:32,559 Speaker 1: at this point in the off season. Trumvor, this is 217 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: your first Winner warm up as an alum. 218 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 2: Correct, that is correct, Katie, first one in a while. 219 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 2: Haven't experienced the Winner warm up in a while. So 220 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 2: for me, like that's it's something as a player you 221 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 2: got excited about because at this point, you've you've had 222 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 2: three months in the off season and you've been working hard, 223 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 2: and you're excited to, you know, see the rest of 224 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 2: the guys, see what their progress has been in the 225 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 2: off season. It's kind of funny because during this week 226 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 2: during the winter warm up, when you see guys, you'll 227 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 2: see the guy who maybe lost twenty pounds, You'll see 228 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 2: the guy who maybe gained twenty pounds, and so there's 229 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 2: a lot of uh, you know, conversation that comes up 230 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 2: after you're able to kind of see everybody in person. 231 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 2: But I mean, aside from that, aside from seeing your 232 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 2: teammates and the staff and the coaches, it's always good 233 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 2: to see, especially in Saint Louis. I mean the support, 234 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 2: the support personnel. They're the people that help the most 235 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 2: to make you know, make it easy for the players 236 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 2: to get on the field and you know, all the 237 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 2: behind the scenes stuff that you don't see. And for me, 238 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 2: I always had a great appreciation for these people, and 239 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 2: and so it's it's touching base with them, asking them, 240 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 2: you know, how how their winter has been, how the 241 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 2: holidays have been, checking in on how their families are doing, 242 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 2: and that I'm excited for that as well. I'm sure 243 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 2: even today, I don't know how many years it's been 244 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 2: since I was at the winter warm up, but I'm 245 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:56,439 Speaker 2: sure I'm gonna see a lot of those people as well. 246 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 2: But even even you know, we talked about the writers 247 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:06,559 Speaker 2: Dinner coming up in the nineteen eighty five NL Championship team, 248 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 2: seeing those guys, seeing the Red Jacket Hall of Fame 249 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,559 Speaker 2: players for you know, the Cardinal Hall of Fame players 250 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 2: that is exciting as well, and it's weird now being 251 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 2: an alum and kind of being put into that category. 252 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 2: There might be a young pitcher on the Cardinal staff 253 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 2: that's going to approach me and say, oh, Trevor, I 254 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 2: watched you pitch while I was growing up, and that's 255 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 2: how i feel when I see these guys. So I'm 256 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 2: excited for all of those. What about what about you? Katie? 257 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 1: It all comes full circle that this is exciting. I 258 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:37,679 Speaker 1: know you did plenty of winter warm ups and did 259 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: they have Cardinal caravans when you were when you were 260 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: a player coming through the system. 261 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 2: They did. I went on a few of those, and 262 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 2: those are legendary. That's when you really get to know 263 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 2: somebody more than what you experienced, just running into them 264 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 2: and having a brief conversation. And I had my favorite, 265 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 2: most most favorite Cardinal caravan attendee and I'm sure we'll 266 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 2: see him this year was Danny Cox. Danny Cox was 267 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 2: a legend and we just hit it off. I mean, 268 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 2: he's an easy guy to get to know, he's very outgoing, 269 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 2: but spending time with him on the bus in between 270 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 2: stops and then overnight, you know, spending time with him 271 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 2: when the day was done, I really got to hear 272 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 2: some great stories and it's in as a as a 273 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 2: young player. When those guys encourage you, it just elevates 274 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 2: you and to get that boost of confidence heading into 275 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 2: the next season and then a lot for me. So 276 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 2: hopefully see Danny. I know Ricky Horton is always a 277 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 2: fun guy, a great gentleman to be around. And then 278 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 2: also a Todd Worrell. Todd Worell is a good friend 279 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 2: of mine. So I hope I get to run into 280 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 2: all of those. 281 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: All those peeps, well, I think all three of them 282 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: will be at the Writers Center. Ricky Horton is actually 283 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:46,559 Speaker 1: getting an award. I'm a big Ricky Horton fan as well, 284 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: so I'm excited for that. I love the Writers Center. 285 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: Look I'm biased, I understand, but I think it's it's 286 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:56,719 Speaker 1: pretty unique coming outside of Saint Louis. And you know, 287 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 1: they're thirty twenty five ish chapters of Baseball Writers throughout 288 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 1: the country and the only two chapters that still do 289 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 1: an annual writers dinner are Saint Louis and New York. 290 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: And the reason I mean New York is always going 291 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: to have a Writers Center that it's new York. It's 292 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 1: where you present the national Award. It's like MVP SI 293 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: Young Rookie of the Year, et cetera. But the fact 294 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: that Saint Louis can still do its annual Chapter award 295 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: is because of the community. It's because of Cardinals fans. 296 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: I mean they we do this because there is I mean, 297 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: tradition is so important, as we both know in this 298 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: with this organization, but there is truly a desire from 299 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: the community to do this kind of event every year. 300 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: And I think it's really special because I really hadn't 301 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: you know, I didn't really know that any other chapter 302 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: continued to do this outside of New York. So coming 303 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: into Saint Louis and seeing that there was still a 304 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: writer's dinner with our own awards, that is really I 305 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: think accepted and the community is excited for That's pretty cool. 306 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think our program this year is really fun. 307 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: We have some great people. But for I think when 308 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: a warm up, I just like to see my friends, right, 309 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 1: I like to see the writers that I have. I've 310 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: been seen in that I spend almost every day with 311 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: from February to the end of September, and all of 312 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: a sudden, they just get like taken away from me 313 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: for the off season. I love seeing the broadcasters we 314 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: talked about Ricky Horton, Chip Carry, Brad Thompson, Mike Claybourn 315 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: and all those guys. They're wonderful. I put Alexa Dat 316 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: in there, but I literally see her like every week. 317 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: She's one of my best friends. So don't miss her 318 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: that much because I see her all the time. And 319 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: it's just nice because I think read excited for baseball. 320 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: The holidays are over, it's January, it's cold, it's snowy, 321 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: we're all thinking about Jupiter, at least I am, and 322 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: the sunshine and winter warm up. You get to kind 323 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 1: of talk to these players that you haven't seen in forever, 324 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: the coaches too, and get a feel of what it's 325 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: going to be like to go back to baseball Land 326 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 1: in less than a month. So that's exciting for me. 327 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: I know that we just got today the list of 328 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: players that are going to be that we do interviews with, 329 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: and the only like major league guy that I don't 330 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: see on there other than Nolan Arnatto, which was not 331 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: expecting him to come. I think it would be very 332 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: awkward if an organization was talking about trading a player 333 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: all year long and then all of a sudden he 334 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: was expected to come and talk about the future of 335 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: a team that he may I'm going to be part 336 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: of that. Aside, I don't see Nolan Gorman here, and 337 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: I think that's the only starter or like twenty six 338 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: man guy there that's not going to make it. Sunny 339 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: Gray was a late addition, so that's exciting. So is 340 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 1: Wilson Contraras. So these are all the guys that we 341 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: haven't really talked to since the end of the season, 342 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: and I know I personally enjoy all the interviews that 343 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: come along with a warm up as well. 344 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure those guys, I mean, they're probably excited 345 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 2: to get back into the baseball swing at things as well, 346 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 2: and maybe that spurred them to come and join this event. 347 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 2: So it's good to hear that they're going to be there. 348 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 2: Another name that I missed and I shouldn't have is 349 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 2: Ozzie Smith. Always really cool to see Ozzie. What a 350 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 2: what a just a special person to have as a 351 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 2: as a Saint Louis Cardinal and all that he continues 352 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 2: to do for the organization. Willie McGee, Jason Izringhausen speaking 353 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 2: of Closers and Ryan and Hellsley and myself. You know, 354 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:04,679 Speaker 2: Jason was a was a big part of my mentorship 355 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 2: in my career, so it'll be good to hopefully see him. 356 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 2: But yeah, I think it's I didn't know that about 357 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 2: the Saint Louis chapter being one of the only two 358 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 2: that still do this annual event. And when I think 359 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 2: about the Writer's Dinner, I think it's important. I mean, 360 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 2: the writers are ultimately that conduit between the fan base 361 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 2: and the players and the organization, and you all do 362 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:30,880 Speaker 2: such a good job, especially in Saint Louis, of covering 363 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 2: the team and making the information accessible to the fan base. 364 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 2: And we are fortunate in Saint Louis to have such 365 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,640 Speaker 2: a strong fan base, but I can't dismiss the work 366 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 2: that the broadcasters and the writers and all the media 367 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 2: team do to to expel that coverage. So yeah, I'm 368 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,679 Speaker 2: I'm you know, this is gonna be new for me 369 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 2: kind of brushing shoulders with the media and the writers 370 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 2: in a different form and fashion this year. So hopefully 371 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 2: there's no weird initiations or anything that I have to 372 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 2: be ready for, but I'm looking forward to that. 373 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: No The only writer that would like plan something weird 374 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: like that would be me, so you don't have to 375 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: worry about it. I give father writers a lot of 376 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: patience sometimes because I say some wild things up there. 377 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to, you know, light in the mood, 378 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: entertain people. It doesn't always fly. They're like, why is 379 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 1: she talking? Why is she still here? So you'll be 380 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: safe most likely, you know. 381 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 2: So I teamed up with the right person. 382 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 1: I'll save you to me. 383 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 2: I got in at the cool crowd. 384 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: Sure, I mean, if we use the word cool very loosely, yeah, absolutely, 385 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: So I was, you know, getting into my little reporter brain. 386 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: And because I am going back to what you just 387 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: said about having things to share with the fans, I 388 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: wish I had more things to share with the fans 389 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: this winter. Don't get me wrong, I've taken a lot 390 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: of PTO. It's been nice, but like I enjoy these 391 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: back and forth conversations. As part of the reason why 392 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: I wanted to start the show with you is because 393 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: it allows the back and forth, the conversation and then 394 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: sharing the knowledge that they who trusted me to provide. 395 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: So when I was going through I was like, who 396 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 1: am I most excited to interview, and I couldn't pick 397 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: a couple. And it's not necessarily that I'm like ansy 398 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: to ask these questions. I just really want to know 399 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: how these people feel. So let's go and pull out 400 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 1: my little calendar Saturday. Saturday is a full day, so 401 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: I think we're going to kick it off with John 402 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: Mozaelock around ten thirty or so. That's going to be 403 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: an interesting one, just because we always start with Mo 404 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,640 Speaker 1: And you know, you can look at it two ways. 405 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 1: There's either not a lot to talk about for the 406 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 1: lack of moves, or a lot to talk about because 407 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 1: there haven't been very many moves. So excited to see 408 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 1: where things stand with the what he says in a 409 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: public forum, right, Like what I appreciate about Winter warm 410 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:47,880 Speaker 1: Up is it allows these people, whether it's front office execs, coaches, 411 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: or players, to come up and in a public forum 412 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: kind of share how they feel. So I'm excited to 413 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: see what mosays. We got some fun players Sonny Gray 414 00:19:56,440 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 1: on Saturday, Ryan Helsley, Brendan Donna, and then two of 415 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: your old pals will close out the day. John Jay 416 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: and Daniel Discalso are going to be our closing interviews 417 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: on Saturday. Here's something about discalso he is a good interview. 418 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,439 Speaker 1: I remember, I think like the very first game of 419 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: spring training last year. It's his first game, if you will, 420 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: as bench coach, and it's a split squad, which is 421 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: so weird. So Allie takes half the team and descalso 422 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: stays at the home at Roger Dean. I don't believe 423 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: in doing away games at spring training, so it was 424 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: very easy for me to stay. And I was ready 425 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: to grill him, just as a joke, because it's like 426 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 1: springs training. I was ready. I had all my stats. 427 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 1: I was going to question every decision. Why was he 428 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: so prepared? Why did he crush it? I was like, 429 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 1: oh man, no, he was on it and he wasn't 430 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 1: even tried. Like he was just such a good interviews, 431 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: and I'm sure John Jay is as well, because they 432 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: all come from that little branch, right like Skip Schremarker. 433 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: Fantastic interview. So maybe you should come in. Maybe you 434 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: should come in and grill them, because obviously I didn't 435 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: do a very good job. 436 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 2: I will try my best to grill, but I agree 437 00:20:56,240 --> 00:21:01,159 Speaker 2: they are never not prepared. My favorite, Daniel Descalzo story. 438 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:05,239 Speaker 2: And this really summed up what I view Daniels dis 439 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 2: Scout view Daniel as as a person. 440 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: Is. 441 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 2: Uh, the year in spring training when they were moving 442 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 2: Matt Carpenter to second base, of course, Descalzo was our 443 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 2: second basement the year before, and and so that could 444 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:21,679 Speaker 2: be an awkward situation. But watching how Descalzo handled that 445 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 2: blew my mind. He was out there every single day 446 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:29,400 Speaker 2: with Matt Carpenter, showing the showing the ropes, giving him feedback, 447 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 2: you know, teaching him the position, a position that karp 448 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:33,959 Speaker 2: had never played at the major league level before. And 449 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 2: I just watched this go on throughout the whole spring training, 450 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,120 Speaker 2: and then it led into the season where carp kind 451 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,239 Speaker 2: of you know, took his spot on the roster, took 452 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 2: the playing time from Descalzo, and uh, I have so 453 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 2: much respect for that. That is not an easy thing 454 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 2: to do as a major league baseball player, let alone 455 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 2: just as a human being. Helped somebody take time away 456 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 2: from you. So yeah, I would never have anything bad 457 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,360 Speaker 2: to say about Daniel Discalzo for that. But I'm all 458 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 2: for giving a hard time because you better believe that 459 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 2: Daniel Descazo has given me plenty of hard times, and 460 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 2: John Jay is always right next to him egging it on. 461 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 2: So yeah, let's let's go and get those guys for sure. 462 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: Yes, you know, I love a good instigation, an instigator. 463 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,360 Speaker 1: I wonder what it's going to be like to have 464 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:24,479 Speaker 1: Allie Descalso and John Jay all together at once, and 465 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 1: how that's going to go. It should be, It should 466 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,360 Speaker 1: be fun, I will say. I think the Cardinals coaching 467 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 1: staff in general does a great job of being accessible. 468 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,360 Speaker 1: There are some funny guys out there, Stubby Clap, Pop Warner, 469 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 1: you get down the list. I really enjoyed this year, 470 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: the coaching staff last year, and most of them are 471 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:44,360 Speaker 1: coming back. Other things I'm looking forward to at winter 472 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 1: and warm up Sunday. We got a lot of fun 473 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: players coming up. Pedro Pajs. He just spent about a 474 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: week or so down in Orange County with Nolanardotto and 475 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: Lars new Bars. That's a pretty good company. Excited to 476 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: see how that went for him. Zach Thompson, He's name 477 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: we didn't really hear much of last year, and I 478 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 1: think the Cardinals are trying to give him one more shot, 479 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: see what he can do. If he can make this 480 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 1: roster if he can be a legitimate piece for them. 481 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 1: But the guys that I'm really looking forward to, no surprise, 482 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:17,640 Speaker 1: Mason Win, Jordan Walker on Sunday, they're just boys them. 483 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: We know how I feel. I'm excited. 484 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 2: Same here. Mason Win's my guy. I'm I'm excited to 485 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 2: you know, Jordan Walker, he's your guy. So yeah, let's 486 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 2: let's hype them up. Let's get them ready for this season. 487 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 2: They got to make us look good. Speaking of looking good, 488 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 2: the coaching staff. You mentioned the coaching staff. Look, this 489 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 2: is my view. I was thinking about this today while 490 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 2: I was listening listening to you and Bernie. If the Cardinals, 491 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 2: I mean, really, every win that the Cardinals get this year, 492 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 2: huge kudos to Marvel, Descalzo, Jay, this the whole coaching staff, 493 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 2: because it's a I mean a tough situation. You have 494 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 2: this kind of dual head of leadership with Mozay Loack 495 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 2: and Heim Bloom and who knows who's looking over their 496 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,439 Speaker 2: shoulder or each other's shoulder, who's really calling the shots? 497 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 2: So a challenging year. I mean, we've seen it through 498 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 2: this offseas. We talked about it almost every week. At 499 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 2: this point of no news, no news, and not much 500 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:15,159 Speaker 2: going on, So I'm prepared to give them all the 501 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 2: credit that they're going to deserve for all the wins 502 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 2: this year. 503 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,120 Speaker 1: I love that energy. I have a quick story about 504 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: the Cardinals coaching staff. This is twenty twenty three, but 505 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 1: you know most of the people involved are still here. 506 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 1: And in twenty twenty three, we don't like to talk 507 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: about that year. And it was September. Cardinals are in Baltimore. 508 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: Nothing matters anymore except Adam Wayne Wright chase to two 509 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: hundred and this if he wins against Baltimore, would be 510 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,640 Speaker 1: win number one ninety nine. And that coaching staff, from 511 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 1: Allie to their pitching coach Dusty Blake, to all the 512 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 1: subs that they did, to their bullpen catchers, to the 513 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: assistant pitching coaches, they managed that game like it was 514 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,440 Speaker 1: Game seven of the World Series. They did a fantastic job, 515 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,120 Speaker 1: and the Cardinals ended up winning. Adam Wayn Wright gets 516 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: the win his next he gets two hundred and that's 517 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 1: a career. Hell yeah, Adam. But I remember going into 518 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,479 Speaker 1: the clubhouse after and looking at Ali and I was like, 519 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: you guys managed the hell out of that game. That 520 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: was so fun to watch in a season where it 521 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: really felt like everything was lost, to see this entire 522 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: coach and staff band together and execute this flawless game plan. 523 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:20,919 Speaker 1: Because look, we cook these guys a lot when they 524 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: make a bad mistake or something that we don't understand 525 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: from a bullpen perspective, sub bench whatever. I think we 526 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,719 Speaker 1: should give credit when credit is due, And that stands 527 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: out to me as one of Olli Marmal's best games. 528 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,679 Speaker 1: And because of that, Adam Waimer got two hundred and 529 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 1: we had something to celebrate and was otherwise a very 530 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: roose out of ear. 531 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that was a huge highlight for me watching 532 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 2: that all happen. I remember thinking because there was a 533 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 2: few weeks where he was not getting not able to 534 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 2: get the win, and even if he came out with 535 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 2: the lead, they would lose it. And it was like, 536 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 2: oh man, he was right on the edge, and I 537 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 2: wanted to send him a message so bad, like dude, 538 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 2: just like come in out of the bullpen like sneak 539 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 2: a winning somehow. Stop going out there trying to pitch 540 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 2: six solid innings, five solid innings like you got to 541 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 2: get two hundred and time is dwindling. But I agree 542 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 2: with you. I watched that game and I couldn't have 543 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,640 Speaker 2: been happier. It's good to hear from your perspective of 544 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,160 Speaker 2: how intentional everybody was. I mean, as a as an 545 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 2: Adam Wayne Wright fan, I was rooting them on. I'm 546 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 2: sure everybody else in Saint Louis was as well. And 547 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,399 Speaker 2: that's what makes it so hard for me, at least 548 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 2: looking at this season, not having the Adam Wayne right, 549 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 2: not having the Yadi or Molina. It's it's just such 550 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 2: a different feel to this Cardinals team than what I've 551 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 2: been used to. You know, mentioned John mos look with 552 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,360 Speaker 2: him stepping down after this year, It's just it's such 553 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 2: an interesting time. I think, you know, all changes is 554 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 2: ultimately going to be good, but we're kind of in 555 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 2: the middle, and definitely in the middle right now when 556 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 2: we're talking about winter warm up preview and that's our 557 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 2: hot topic. So good times have to be ahead. 558 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,400 Speaker 1: I would hope. So, you know, it's interesting to talk 559 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: about the the mosaic turnover, right, and it's part of 560 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: the reason why I'm interested for Monday. Monday is our 561 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:12,719 Speaker 1: heavy hitters. We have all a talking Lars new Bar Wilson, Cuturis, 562 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 1: Miles Michaelis and I. They have not finalized when build 563 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,199 Speaker 1: with Junior and Build what the third will speak, but 564 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,640 Speaker 1: they usually speak every year on Monday, so just kind 565 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 1: of penciling that in and one, you know, it's not expected. 566 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: I think most organizations, most major league organizations are professional 567 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:36,919 Speaker 1: sports organizations. To hear from your ownership group ever, is 568 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: you know, pretty rare. So I do you know, want 569 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 1: to commend the Cardinals ownership for speaking to the media 570 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: at least once a year, if not twice or three times. 571 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,199 Speaker 1: I'm excited to see what they have to say, just 572 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 1: about you know, the state of the organization in general, 573 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 1: but specifically this turnover because it is a little unorthodox. 574 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 1: And look, the Cardinals have been very H've been very 575 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 1: clear on why Moa stayed for one more year and 576 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 1: why heim Bloom will take over in twenty twenty six. 577 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,639 Speaker 1: We know about their succession plan, we know about the 578 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: player development why that needs to be revamped, and this 579 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: will hopefully give him a head like a head start 580 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,680 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six. But it is a little different 581 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: and it's not something that has really heard of throughout 582 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: the rest of sports. So I don't know the trouble 583 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 1: when you first heard about this, what was your instinct. 584 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 2: My first instinct was that it made a lot of sense. 585 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,160 Speaker 2: I mean, I have a lot of respect for blo 586 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,919 Speaker 2: Heim Bloom's resume and what he did in Tampa and 587 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 2: in Boston. You know, I think in Saint Louis we 588 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 2: have a lot to look forward to with the changes 589 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 2: that he's thinking of and already talking about. But as 590 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 2: time has gone on and now we're you know, stuck 591 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 2: in the middle of this offseason of continuing to talk 592 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 2: about a trade that's not happening and signings that will 593 00:28:55,920 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 2: most likely never happen, it makes me wonder really like 594 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 2: how does this how does this all play out? Like 595 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 2: who's calling this shots? Does hein Bloom have to get 596 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 2: a stamp of approval approval every time he wants to 597 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 2: make a decision by John mozay loock or is it 598 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 2: more of a hands off I mean, for lack of 599 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 2: better term, like are there just training wheels on this 600 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 2: on this bicycle right now? Or you know when do 601 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 2: those come off? And to me, you know, talking about 602 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 2: the ownership and you think about the ownership and them 603 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 2: making this decision, is I would be interested to hear 604 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 2: what they were thinking about that, and did they not 605 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 2: have the full amount of trust in Heim Bloom just 606 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 2: coming in and taking over right away. I don't know 607 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 2: a lot of for me from the outside looking in, 608 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 2: a lot of things that just seem hard to navigate 609 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 2: in over a long season too. I mean, at what 610 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 2: point during the season, I'm sure there's going to be 611 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 2: different viewpoints from John Moselack's camp to the heinm blooms camp, 612 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 2: and they want to go different directions, and who ultimately 613 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 2: has the final say in that decision make we know 614 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 2: next year it's going to be all Heime and Bloom. 615 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 2: But as Cardinal fans were kind of left stuck in 616 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 2: the middle of at least for this twenty five season, right. 617 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 1: Because anytime that you're planning something beyond twenty twenty five, 618 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: High and Bloom's input is obviously going to be necessary. 619 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: And when we know that Moe is in charge of 620 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: the lineup decision or not the lineup, excuse me, the 621 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 1: roster decisions for twenty twenty five and he's more or 622 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 1: less running the show, it does feel like Cardinals fans 623 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: are stuck in the middle because in order to plan 624 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: and for years ahead, time has to really be on 625 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 1: board with it because it's going to be his organization. 626 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 1: So again, I think what the Cardinals are doing makes 627 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 1: sense in terms of the player development standpoint, but I 628 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 1: mentioned I would like to ask the Dewitz just kind 629 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 1: of for more clarity on this how they think this 630 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 1: is going the direction of the organization. Their end of 631 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 1: the year press conference, which was objectively a disaster, left 632 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 1: more questions than answers, and everyone was on such a 633 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 1: time restraint, you know, we really didn't get to get 634 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: into anything. So I think when a warm up will 635 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 1: be a little less hectic then an end of season 636 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 1: live televised press conference. So plenty of questions, at least 637 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 1: on my end, and I know I'm certainly not the 638 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: only reporter with things to ask about the Saint Louis Cardinals. 639 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: So I'm looking forward to doing like actual work this weekend. 640 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 1: It's been a minute. Don't tell my bosses. 641 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 2: Back back to work, Katie. Uh yeah, you got at 642 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 2: least get warmed up for spring training, and so this 643 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 2: is your chance knock off some of the rust. I'll 644 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 2: be there. I'm gonna be right alongside you. Take it 645 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 2: easy on me. I promise not to embarrass myself. But yeah, 646 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 2: if you haven't bought tickets, come see us. We're gonna 647 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 2: we're gonna have a good time. At least, that's for sure. 648 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 1: We are twevor. Did you know I'm introducing I'm introducing 649 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 1: you at the Rider Center? 650 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 2: You are. 651 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: That's a lot of pressure. It's the second to last award, okay, 652 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 1: which means you know, this thing out off. So that's 653 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: already a hard a hard thing to pinpoint. But it's 654 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 1: a lot of pressure to introduce you. Who's introducing Hellsley? Like, 655 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 1: that's a big chain that I am somewhat responsible for. 656 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 1: So keep our fingers crossed. 657 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 2: We're just we're creating memories here early on. 658 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 1: All right, you can oh wow, that was so that 659 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: was fast. 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