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Speaker 1: First question we asked everybody who come on the show

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Speaker 1: is when you first made it to the league, who's

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Speaker 1: the first person to bust your ass?

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Speaker 2: Dominique man, And that was in pre season, so you know,

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Speaker 2: I was in for a long year.

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Speaker 3: But you got when I came in.

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Speaker 2: You had Dominique, you had Bird, you had Scotty, you

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Speaker 2: had a three spot. You know how it is the

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Speaker 2: most dangerous spot. And you had one day you might

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Speaker 2: have a guy post you up. One day, you might

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Speaker 2: have a guy coming off picks like Chuck Person. You

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Speaker 2: might have a guy like Scotty that's doing everything, got

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Speaker 2: you all over the floor. So it was it was

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Speaker 2: a dangerous position.

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Speaker 4: I think people kind of forget, especially the younger kids

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Speaker 4: of this day. They look at Dominic as, Oh he

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Speaker 4: was just crazy human highlight dunker. But boy, he was

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Speaker 4: a bucket, a real problem. He was getting forties, fifties whatever.

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Speaker 3: Posting you up, jumping.

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Speaker 2: You know, he had he had three games and he

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Speaker 2: had to pull up game and he had to post

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Speaker 2: up game. Don't piss it because you're gonna get dunk though.

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Speaker 2: You know, it was just one of those things.

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Speaker 5: Yo yo yo. We live on location.

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Speaker 4: Me and Dve Miles is always we chilling here in

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Speaker 4: Orlando staying. I ass at home safe in quarantine. And

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Speaker 4: we got a very very special guest, not a one, two, three, four,

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Speaker 4: five six.

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Speaker 5: But a seven time world champion, y'all.

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Speaker 4: And he was and he was involved in every last

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Speaker 4: one of them, so he he a real world champ

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Speaker 4: with these rings. We got real lest you got my

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Speaker 4: Man coming to you live on location from Los Angeles, California, y'all.

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Speaker 4: We got big shot Robert or in the building. Appreciate

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Speaker 4: you pulling up on us.

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Speaker 3: Og Man, my pleasure.

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Speaker 2: Man, I'm glad to be on the show Man, even

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Speaker 2: though I had to request me on the show Man

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Speaker 2: to get some stuff right. So I'm glad them on

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Speaker 2: the show.

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Speaker 5: Right away, right away.

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Speaker 4: We got it done. You come right on here and

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Speaker 4: set the record straight. Man, it's all love.

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Speaker 1: You was born in Maryland, but you grew up in Alabama.

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Speaker 1: Correct how you pronounced that?

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Speaker 2: I don't want to Andalusia and.

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Speaker 3: From Spain.

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Speaker 2: It's called Andalusia because it's like it's a type of horse.

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Speaker 2: And the only reason I know that because the TV

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Speaker 2: show called a List I used to watch with Jennifer Gardner.

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Speaker 2: They had an episode where she was in Andalusia and

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Speaker 2: they were talking about the horse. So it's not like

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Speaker 2: I'm not smart.

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Speaker 3: All that now.

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Speaker 1: So tell us about high school there, like when you

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Speaker 1: came up high school because he was the player of

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Speaker 1: build your up.

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Speaker 5: Coming from from Maryland.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it was because my dad was in

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Speaker 2: the military. That's the reason I was born. You know,

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Speaker 2: he spent thirty years in the army. That's why I

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Speaker 2: was born in Maryland. My mom was a school teacher

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Speaker 2: and she's from Alabama. She went to Alabama A and

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Speaker 2: M and she just you know, set her back in

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Speaker 3: So I went there.

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Speaker 2: It was kind of an easy transition for me because

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Speaker 2: a learning process. I'm very, very grateful that coaches I

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Speaker 2: and I was killing everybody, going right, going right. He

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Speaker 3: And I'm like, I don't want to play anymore.

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Speaker 2: So because I couldn't go left right, So I'm like,

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Speaker 2: middle school coach. He was great, and my high school

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Speaker 2: was the one that said this is you know, after

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Speaker 3: How you go with how they're going to go.

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Speaker 2: And he put the onus on me to be a

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Speaker 2: good transition. I think a lot of that had to

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Speaker 2: don't know if he had to do anything, but my

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Speaker 2: first three coaches were all black. You know, growing up

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Speaker 2: I think a big difference in my tuolage and my

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Speaker 1: When when did you know in high school that you

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Speaker 1: know that you was good enough nationally because you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, when you take over the area, or you

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Speaker 1: take up because I'm from a small town, when you

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Speaker 1: take over the small town, it's like, yeah, that's cool.

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Speaker 1: But you know it's Chicago and all the big cities.

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Speaker 1: When did you know nationally that you was good enough

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Speaker 2: I think my junior year I played in this tournament,

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Speaker 2: and this tournament had Chris Jackson had god, I can't

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Speaker 2: remember Dave. I can't remember Dave Dave Johnson and went

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Speaker 2: and we played Dave Johnson's team and you know, Dave

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Speaker 2: Johnson's on the bitch and the first team is like

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Speaker 2: beating us by fifteen, and the.

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Speaker 3: Coach subs a whole five.

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Speaker 2: You know you're not used to he subs a whole

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Speaker 2: five like it's an AAU team. And Dave Johnson's team come,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, holy crap. And they next saying, you know

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Speaker 2: we're down thirty and in five minutes, right, And that

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Speaker 2: let me know then that there are people out there

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Speaker 2: you know that are good. You know that you got

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Speaker 2: to up the game. You got to get back in

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Speaker 2: the lab, you got to work on everything. And it

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Speaker 2: took some time for me to really hit home. He said, Okay,

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Speaker 2: that's just two outs. Chris Jackson MVP of that turn.

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Speaker 2: By the way, he had he was forty two points

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Speaker 5: My boy.

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Speaker 2: Yes, And then you know, I think my my my

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Speaker 2: coming out party was going to going to DC camp

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Speaker 2: got to see these guys that were ranked ahead of me,

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Speaker 3: A chance to, you know, learn what I need to

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Speaker 2: You know, I remember hanging out with Sean Kemp and

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Speaker 2: you know and me, Sean Kemp, Alan Houston, we were

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Speaker 2: Sean Kemp was the guy that got me to realize

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Speaker 2: to kill the people who are ranked in front of you,

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Speaker 2: or try to kill himself. I remember he was looking

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Speaker 2: He's the number one player, hi, and the hell's the

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Speaker 2: number And the next game he went out.

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Speaker 3: And just roasted the lines of me.

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Speaker 2: He was doing things that I was like, God, why

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Speaker 2: Sean could do was amazing. And for me, I've always

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Speaker 2: been the type of person and look at people around

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Speaker 2: You know. I look at all the guys that played

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Speaker 2: When they say you have to be a sponge, that's

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Speaker 2: the true meaning. You sponge. You sooke up everything you can't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so when you when you want to player the

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Speaker 1: It was like validation, like yeah, this is my state rights.

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Speaker 2: It's weird because you have you have a lot of dollars,

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Speaker 2: you know, and you always have people like, oh he's

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Speaker 2: playing at night end, Marcus Well that actually went to Alabama.

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Speaker 2: He should be the number one player to state. You know,

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Speaker 2: you had another guy in Kenny Kenny.

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Speaker 3: He explained us. By Kenny, He's like he should be.

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Speaker 3: You had all these dollars.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, everybody was doubting me and saying

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Speaker 2: to the state tournament and my team got beat by forty.

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Speaker 2: So they were saying, Robert horrible. You know, they took

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Speaker 2: the horrible. But for me, I said, you know what,

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Speaker 2: I'm the number one player in the state. I can

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Speaker 2: prove it, and I'm going out and not I'm not.

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Speaker 2: I could average forty points a game, you know, but

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Speaker 2: I was so intent on getting my guys involved. You know,

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Speaker 2: I was always I've always been a great team player.

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Speaker 2: And that's one thing nobody can ever say, you know,

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Speaker 2: high school championship game. The other team hit a shot

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Speaker 2: from half court at the buzzerway, so me, I said,

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Speaker 2: I got those guys, you're ready. I helped them to

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Speaker 1: One of the things I used to hate in high

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Speaker 1: they used to be like I wasn't physical. Yeah, like

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Speaker 1: I wasn't physical, and I felt like I was the

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Speaker 1: I used to throw cheap shots to just show that

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Speaker 1: I was just just mean and rugged.

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Speaker 3: You have, because you got to think about it.

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Speaker 2: Growing up in Alabama, a lot of schools in my area,

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Speaker 2: they were like if you played basketball, you had to

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Speaker 2: play football. So those guys were, you know, back in

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Speaker 2: was like we had the mental you lift waist, is

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Speaker 2: gonna throw your shot off? You got to be skinny, fast,

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Speaker 2: You got to be quick, you know, so like basketball

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Speaker 2: this today and you would get there next thing, you know,

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Speaker 2: you have this big tight end and they'll pick on you.

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Speaker 2: You sliding across the floor. And I remember one time

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Speaker 2: I got hitting the ribs one time. Wow, like man,

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Speaker 2: I looked around everybody looking at me and see if

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Speaker 2: I was gonna cry. You gotta get up, you know.

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Speaker 2: I came back and said, I man, just to beat

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Speaker 5: Just to beat you up.

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Speaker 2: You know what I did though, I came back down.

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Speaker 2: I told I told the guy, just give me a pick.

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Speaker 2: I'm just gonna try to dunk on him. I came in,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're gonna get beat up, but you got to

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 3: And my high school team.

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Speaker 2: I ended up going to Alabama and had a great

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you there with Latrell's free will yes junior year. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: It was my sophomore year. You have my sophomore year.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys played with Halloween.

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Speaker 3: Ben Wall could have been guarding Grandmama.

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Speaker 2: But you wanted that. You wanted that challenge. You know,

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Speaker 1: It killed the next day.

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Speaker 4: What is it about your training program that everybody you

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Speaker 4: Like everybody Jason Caffey came up out of the bouncing,

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Speaker 5: Everybody come up out of there banging that thing.

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Speaker 2: You just if you just came and this my workouts

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Speaker 2: Working on our leaping ability. And the thing that we

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Speaker 2: We did step ups more than anybody would wait.

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Speaker 2: Some of the step ups we would do like what

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Speaker 2: Derrick McKee kind of set the precedence when everybody came,

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Speaker 3: So everybody, so we're gonna do.

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Speaker 2: What he does because we want to be like we

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Speaker 2: need someone to show.

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Speaker 5: You that ball, that standard. Yep.

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Speaker 1: So your senior year, you you coming out, you know

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Speaker 1: up the process of the draft, did you have to

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Speaker 5: For a lot of what? Man?

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Speaker 2: I went to eighteens because I remember coming out of college,

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Speaker 2: Because I started out as a small forward and I

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 2: And so I remember I had to go to Miami.

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Speaker 2: And I was like, I went to the airport and

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Speaker 3: Says, just say the flight. Tell my agent flight.

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Speaker 2: What she's like? Police? I was. I was done, man,

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Speaker 2: because I had been I forgot I had it. Came

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Speaker 6: Back to back to back to back, yes, and I

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Speaker 3: I had like sixty three threes in a row. I

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Speaker 2: So I was like, Okay, this is where I'm going

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Speaker 2: I was wasn't feeling good because you know how you

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Speaker 2: by Houston. If I have been like two seconds late,

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Speaker 2: they'd be like, where's Robert.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to go to Houston too. I had a

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Speaker 1: bad workout for them. I wanted to go to them.

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Speaker 1: I was beat up. My knees was like sore and stuff.

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Speaker 4: You don't want to like me though, ride you like

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Speaker 4: you like me? I went all over the place. He

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Speaker 4: ain't had to go crazy flying like you know you

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Speaker 5: You need guys. He go to dinners and stuff like.

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Speaker 4: We was not only flying around from team to team,

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Speaker 4: we were literally working out. They trying to have us

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Speaker 5: So we was we was definitely getting tired.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 2: I remember the Dever workout was the worst workout. They

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Speaker 2: had the medicine ball where they wanted you to dunk

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Speaker 3: What it was.

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Speaker 2: And they was like, well, Clarence Wetherspoon did it twenty times.

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Speaker 2: He has the record. I said, I could get a

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Speaker 2: damn by Clarence Spoon.

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Speaker 4: You know, have you've seen him and you see me

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Speaker 4: right now right, you see the difference, Like, I don't

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And the altitude. And then I think that

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Speaker 2: I came to all Saturdays and the Lakers like, oh,

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Speaker 2: we work against this and hold on. We want you

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Speaker 2: to play one on one with someone. And I would say,

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Speaker 2: he walks out Magic Johnson. I'm like, you know, growing

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Speaker 2: went on. I remember my whole thing was, you know,

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Speaker 2: was so hyped that it messed my game up. I

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00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:13,439
Speaker 2: was like, you know, this is what you.

444
00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,199
Speaker 5: Did something you.

445
00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,600
Speaker 2: Were too after play. I remember one time he did

446
00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:21,880
Speaker 2: a little move and I tried to I just wanted

447
00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,240
Speaker 2: that I'm a blocking shot, and I tried to swing

448
00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,520
Speaker 2: out and sweat it so hard that like damn, I

449
00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:30,320
Speaker 2: almost put my shoulder out of place. And the whole

450
00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:32,720
Speaker 2: time I think he probably jumped the inch off the ground.

451
00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,679
Speaker 2: He just was just just smart, man.

452
00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:38,600
Speaker 3: And that's what you gotta learn that it's not just.

453
00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:40,600
Speaker 2: A physical game. It's a mental game. You know, you

454
00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:43,640
Speaker 2: you take someone's aggression and uses against them. And that's

455
00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:45,359
Speaker 2: one of the things trying to tell my son, because

456
00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:49,000
Speaker 2: these are an aggressive pipe defensive right defender, Dude, calm down,

457
00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:52,639
Speaker 2: you don't pick your points, and then you know, going

458
00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,119
Speaker 2: for steel or use his body where he thinks she

459
00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:56,560
Speaker 2: relaxed and knocked him out balance.

460
00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:58,880
Speaker 3: And so that's a learning process and that's when.

461
00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:02,800
Speaker 4: I learned the magic trash talk. You know how many

462
00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:04,199
Speaker 4: young fellas did he hit you with?

463
00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:05,160
Speaker 3: Oh?

464
00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:06,800
Speaker 2: Man? The whole time, I tell you.

465
00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,200
Speaker 5: Smiling that you laughing, well, young fellow.

466
00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:14,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't caught that fing u c l A before.

467
00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:17,920
Speaker 4: When I was first coming in, he called all the fouls.

468
00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:19,240
Speaker 4: You can't get no foules.

469
00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:22,960
Speaker 2: I was he could have knocked it down. I was

470
00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,040
Speaker 2: just so excited to play against that. I didn't even care.

471
00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:27,000
Speaker 2: I was just that, you know. But he was like

472
00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,439
Speaker 2: just schooling man. And he sat down and gave me

473
00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,720
Speaker 2: a little conversation, said, you got the athletic, but you

474
00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:33,800
Speaker 2: got to learn the game. You know, it's you can

475
00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:35,680
Speaker 2: have all the skill sets, but you got to learn

476
00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:37,359
Speaker 2: it and you have to learn it. Just can't just

477
00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:37,960
Speaker 2: play the game.

478
00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,360
Speaker 1: So you get to Houston, and when you get into Houston,

479
00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,919
Speaker 1: like this is star power and everybody can hoop like

480
00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,960
Speaker 1: you got the dream, you got mad Max, You got

481
00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,679
Speaker 1: you got hitters everywhere jet Like, how was that to

482
00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,119
Speaker 1: play with? Like, just you know how it is as

483
00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,040
Speaker 1: a player. You come up in high school or you

484
00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:58,960
Speaker 1: come up in college, and everybody is not on the

485
00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,280
Speaker 1: level as you, So you want people to be on

486
00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,520
Speaker 1: the levels you. Now you're on the team where everybody

487
00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:05,480
Speaker 1: know how to play this game. How does that feel

488
00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,760
Speaker 1: to be on the team with somebody as good as Dream?

489
00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:12,280
Speaker 2: And you know, Dream was what another guy that out

490
00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,560
Speaker 2: lives growing up even with the Tonic in high school.

491
00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:18,520
Speaker 3: And I.

492
00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,159
Speaker 5: Remember those I remember them.

493
00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:26,040
Speaker 2: I remember we had this place called the hot Box.

494
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,160
Speaker 2: I mean he had no a c all they had

495
00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:29,960
Speaker 2: was a fan on.

496
00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:30,960
Speaker 3: The top of the building.

497
00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,600
Speaker 2: And you just see these guys and just working on,

498
00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,399
Speaker 2: just sweating. And I'm sitting there the first couple of

499
00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,440
Speaker 2: days watching because you know how it is. You don't

500
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,160
Speaker 2: have a contract yet, You're just gonna sit and watch

501
00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,719
Speaker 2: and make sure you don't get try to get that paper.

502
00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,240
Speaker 2: And I'm just watching, like, damn, I gotta get stronger.

503
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,879
Speaker 2: These guys are man hitting each other and look like

504
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:53,240
Speaker 2: two big rams. You know. It was Dream against Moses

505
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,720
Speaker 2: and God rest his soul. It was like I was

506
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,239
Speaker 2: like Wow, this is what the NBA is about. You know,

507
00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:02,000
Speaker 2: Vernon talking trash, push people, and and then Kenny, you

508
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,240
Speaker 2: know him doing his little finesse things, shooting threes, talking trash,

509
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 2: everybody take. It was a learning process and I was

510
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,399
Speaker 2: so so excited to get out there. And you know

511
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:15,960
Speaker 2: if guys like young guy Alabama drafter, you know Larry Pick,

512
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,199
Speaker 2: who is this guy? Never heard of him before? You know,

513
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,919
Speaker 2: the last guy we had was Buck Johnson Alabama. He

514
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,199
Speaker 2: wasn't what we wanted. You know. They always compare if

515
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,680
Speaker 2: you went to a certain school and the guy before you, Yeah,

516
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 2: they compared to We're not the same people. I don't

517
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 2: even know Bluck. You know, we both went to Alabama,

518
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,440
Speaker 2: but I don't even know him. And so it was

519
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,680
Speaker 2: a learning process and it took dream, you know, two

520
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:37,720
Speaker 2: years before he trusted me. I just said a year.

521
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 2: I don't think it was just just me with just anybody,

522
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:44,119
Speaker 2: because he was so good that he ain't needed he

523
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 2: need anybody.

524
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:46,920
Speaker 3: Man the things he want to rob.

525
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was, it was.

526
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:49,440
Speaker 3: It was.

527
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,399
Speaker 2: It was a learning process like everything is. And I

528
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,719
Speaker 2: learned out of all those guys. I really appreciate, oh

529
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 2: his thought because he's the one that took me to

530
00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:58,160
Speaker 2: the side.

531
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,520
Speaker 3: He taught me about exactly.

532
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 2: That professional, being on time and just understanding the business

533
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 2: side of the basketball, because that's a whole nother aspect

534
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 2: of it.

535
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,400
Speaker 3: Know, you got this and then you got the business side.

536
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 1: The old story was chopping in the motherfucker he's popping there.

537
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,640
Speaker 4: I tell you, tell me what that was like when

538
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,640
Speaker 4: you got a chance to see, like on a day

539
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 4: to day basis, Like okay, like like you said, you

540
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 4: sitting on the side, tell me when you got out

541
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,879
Speaker 4: there and you started being in the practices and going

542
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,119
Speaker 4: through camp and you started to see, like, really, legit,

543
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 4: how good Hakem was and you started to realize, like.

544
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 5: Yo, this dude is Like how was that to just

545
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:43,880
Speaker 5: witness that?

546
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 3: Like?

547
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 4: Cause I played with the best. I mean, I played

548
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 4: with some great guys, Steve Wade, Steve Nash and Da White.

549
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,479
Speaker 4: It was a dominant big when I played. But like

550
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,920
Speaker 4: to play with somebody that's top fifty ever like Hakeem,

551
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 4: how was that to see on a daily.

552
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 2: He was always coming up with something new. He wasn't

553
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 2: he wasn't one of these vocal guys. He was one

554
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 2: of these guys that kind of just you know lad

555
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 2: by example. He was always you know, challenging. He was like,

556
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 2: come on, you run with me. You got to beat me.

557
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,919
Speaker 3: I'm like, dude, with the same height, I have to

558
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:15,399
Speaker 3: beat you down.

559
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 2: The foot's because he wanted you to push him, and

560
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 2: he wanted to push you. And he was just always

561
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,439
Speaker 2: professional coming in, you know, sitting down and talking to guys.

562
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 2: And I mean, my favorite conversation I ever had with

563
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,159
Speaker 2: him was we were at a Christmas part you know

564
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 2: how you have to do those team dinners, and and

565
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 2: he comes to me and like, yo, I want to

566
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 2: talk to you. And I'm like, this is like December,

567
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,679
Speaker 2: Like okay, there's no outside. I look like, man, he's

568
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 2: called outside, come on, let's go outside.

569
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:47,160
Speaker 5: Let's talk.

570
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 2: So we're outside talking. He was asking me, you know,

571
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 2: how am I enjoying the league? Am I getting used

572
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,400
Speaker 2: to Houston? I'm like, yeah, I'm good. Now, he says,

573
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,199
Speaker 2: so I have to ask your personal questions. I'm like,

574
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 2: oh crap, what is He says?

575
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 3: Do you do you you care if we win or lose.

576
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 2: I'm like, dream, I care more about when you will

577
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 2: ever know? He says, I said, why do you ask

578
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 2: me that? He says, because you don't show that much emotion.

579
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 2: And I looked at him and says, you don't show

580
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 2: that much emotion either, So what's your going? Like?

581
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 1: How was it to get the rookie? Sam Caseill?

582
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 2: It was funny because Sam and I. Sam lived across

583
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,399
Speaker 2: the street from me. We went to practice together. We

584
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 2: you know, we we sat on the bus together, you know, Sam,

585
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 2: And that was you know, we were we were just

586
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 2: there because it was weird because Sam came in and

587
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 2: he's like, Wow, tell me my Dream, how was the

588
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 2: player you? I said, do if if you got first off,

589
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,640
Speaker 2: talk to Dream and let him know you know the game.

590
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:41,640
Speaker 2: If you know the game that he's gonna respect you.

591
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 2: He's gonna see Okay, he's not just a basketball player.

592
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 2: He can think the game is IQ was good And

593
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 2: you have to do that with every player because you

594
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 2: have these guys that when it comes down this game,

595
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 2: you know is your IQ that I can trust you

596
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,919
Speaker 2: to read the situation, understanding the situation. Because when we

597
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 2: played in Houston, it was about eating defenses, cutting and

598
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 2: slash and I said, Sam, just just just watch and learn,

599
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 2: you know, don't get too high. And then next thing,

600
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 2: you know, Sam was taking over like he was a

601
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 2: twenty year vet, you know, and he was doing things

602
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 2: like that to get dream involved. And we used to

603
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 2: he and I used to play one on one all

604
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 2: the time in practice. Sam and I and and the

605
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 2: thing about Sam was he would try to post me

606
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 2: up like dude, I know you got confidence, but really,

607
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 2: come on, man, oh bro, I'm working on something, Holro,

608
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 2: I gotta do this. I work on past you. I'm

609
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 2: scoring with anybody. And so he just was just you know,

610
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 2: that's the thing about Sam is confidence. He had more

611
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 2: confidence in his game. And that's what you really needed NBA.

612
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 2: Outside of talent and everything is in confidence. Because you

613
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,199
Speaker 2: believe in yourself, you can achieve it. And that's the

614
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 2: thing that I had to learn. He learned it quicker

615
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 2: than I did. It took me getting traded Detroit and

616
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 2: the trade falls through before I really had confidence, you know,

617
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 2: one confidence in myself.

618
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 1: Like I said, with the with the rockets, like you

619
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 1: feel like you stood out so much to me because

620
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 1: you did everything. You was like the pipping, you know

621
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,719
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like how piping was to Jordan, It

622
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 1: was like you was you was you was the key

623
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: to it. Wouldn't have worked if you didn't have that

624
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: versatility that you had out there. You was the only

625
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 1: player that have it because like like I said, Mad Max,

626
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 1: he's shooting threes, or Sam coming off screens or Green

627
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 1: on that block, but you did everything.

628
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

629
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: I just appreciate your game so much.

630
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 5: Thank you.

631
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 2: I laugh at people because they always talked about, well,

632
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 2: you know, he was lucky doing this. I said, you

633
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,239
Speaker 2: know what, I did what the teams needed me to do.

634
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 2: You know, in Houston, even though I and one thing

635
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 2: about me as a basketball player, I was like, I

636
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 2: always hate you doing the basketball because it took too

637
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 2: much energy. Because if you look at the teams, we

638
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 2: always had this thing called wolf where it had me

639
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 2: going over here trapping.

640
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 3: I'm all over the court trapping, and.

641
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 2: I gotta run back to my man and nobody and

642
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 2: it was like I used to get so mad in

643
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 2: locker room. My guy have twenty points and everybody else

644
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,640
Speaker 2: gots to be under the average. I'm like, oh, y'all

645
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 2: just don't care about my man. Why small gotta be

646
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 2: always be the man.

647
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 5: That's that's what y'all.

648
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 4: Lanky six fast versus time y'all, y'all free safetyes, y'all

649
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 4: go all over the place, and y'all you better get

650
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 4: back everything.

651
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 2: Help me now. Look like you look at the box

652
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 2: store like, oh, Rob, you man killed you, Like yeah,

653
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 2: but look at your man. I'm the one that trapped

654
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,640
Speaker 2: him and got steels and all this kind of stuff.

655
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 2: But nobody want to up. But you know, it was,

656
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 2: it was. It was. It was a challenge. And you know,

657
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 2: as a basketball player, you love a challenge. You trapped

658
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 2: and be able to get back to your guy. And

659
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 2: for you, when you tall and lanky, you always a

660
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 2: double team guy. You know you got the double team

661
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 2: so they can't pass out of you.

662
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're coming with you.

663
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, and if your four man helps you out.

664
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 2: You said, okay, you got to rotate over here to

665
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 2: you know, Grandma mo Jehn Bark and all these guys

666
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 2: that are strown and you gotta hold your own game

667
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 2: and get back to your guys.

668
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 3: So it was a challenge. I don't think you know

669
00:28:58,440 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 3: I had the guys.

670
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's different now hey, but hey, but speaking

671
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 4: on that trade to Detroit, right, like that's part of

672
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 4: the game that you know that we don't get to

673
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 4: tell our side of it. You know, people fans sometimes

674
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 4: think they get in the NBA, they making money, it's

675
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 4: all good and nothing, no problem, Like, but you had

676
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 4: the you you were literally in a situation where you

677
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 4: got traded to a team and then only because the

678
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 4: the other player that was being traded for it couldn't

679
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 4: pass the physical you now got to return your team.

680
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 4: Just tell me, like, tell everybody what what was that

681
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 4: experience is like? Because I've been traded, but I've never

682
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 4: had to go back in the trade and not go through.

683
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 4: And then I got to go back and look at

684
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 4: these people in the face knowing they tried to ship

685
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 4: me off.

686
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 2: I think that kind of messed me up as far

687
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 2: as getting to know upper management. Because I was really

688
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 2: good friends with the coach because I was his first

689
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 2: traffic Rudy t.

690
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 3: I got to know the management.

691
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 2: I got naughty because you know, back then it was

692
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 2: a smaller unit. I think they only had like thirty

693
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 2: teen of fourteen people, and upper management now it's like

694
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 2: an army of people, So you get to know everybody.

695
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 2: When you get traded, it's almost like a stabbing in

696
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 2: the back or stabbing the heart however you want to

697
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 2: say it and for me to go someplace like Detroit.

698
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 3: You know, where they were at the bottom of the barrel.

699
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 2: You know, they were still you know, they still had

700
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 2: the old school Isaiah and Joe do Mars.

701
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 3: They weren't they weren't going nowhere.

702
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 2: And I knew in Houston we had the potential to

703
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 2: do stuff because we had just went to the Western

704
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 2: Conference finals, you know. So I'm there and I'm like,

705
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 2: I don't want to be here. I don't want to

706
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 2: be in the cold weather. I'm a Southern boy. I

707
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 2: don't want to be in the coup.

708
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 5: City.

709
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

710
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 5: Yeah.

711
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 2: And when the trade fell through and showing them passed

712
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 2: his physical I didn't care about that because all I

713
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 2: cared was about was getting back to Houston, getting back

714
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 2: to my family, and getting back to being a basketball player.

715
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 2: Because I was the type of player that I was

716
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 2: so intent on trying to make burning better, can it better,

717
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 2: oldest better, dream better, that I was wasn't looking out

718
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 2: for myself. And you know in the day, that's why

719
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 2: they traded because my reluctance to shoot the ball. I

720
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 2: also reluctant to shoot the ball because I was just

721
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 2: trying to get everybody else involved, and when I came back,

722
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 2: I'm joints. You know. After two games, Rudy had to

723
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 2: pull me to the side and say, yo, man, stop

724
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 2: shooting so much.

725
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 3: I was like, I ain't gonna treat you again. Will

726
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 3: not shoot, gonna treat this.

727
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 5: That's the problem.

728
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 2: Solve it exactly. So it was it was a learning process.

729
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 2: I learned and it made me. It made me understand

730
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 2: it's a business.

731
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 3: Number one.

732
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 2: It is a business regard and there's no laws to

733
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 2: in sports. And I don't care what anybody would ever say,

734
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 2: there's no laws to in sports. You have to watch

735
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 2: out for yourself, you know, I said, said, there's some

736
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 2: people that are lawyer, you know. You know the Lakers

737
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 2: were lord to Kobe Bryant. You know, there's a lot

738
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 2: of teams that are loyal to players.

739
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,959
Speaker 5: It's a case by case and situation exactly.

740
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 2: Because I always look at if you're gonna let their

741
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 2: Jeter walk out of New York, New York Yankees position

742
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 2: that lets you know, this is the one to get

743
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 2: the franchise to face this franchise, and they was about

744
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 2: to let them walk. So unless you know, you have

745
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 2: to be careful. And I'm not in every organization like that,

746
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 2: but a lot of them are. So you have to

747
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 2: be mindful of your teammates and yourself and know what's

748
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 2: best for you. So that kind of stopped me from

749
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 2: like getting to no manager because this way if I

750
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 2: got traded again, but oh well, you know, this is

751
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 2: going on and doing my thing and trying to you know,

752
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 2: make the next team better.

753
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 4: Now that's a great, great perspective because like I went,

754
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,479
Speaker 4: I look at how when I got traded from Phoenix, right,

755
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 4: we went from win sixty two and twenty that year.

756
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:28,959
Speaker 4: Then after the season, I'm thinking we about to go

757
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 4: to the summer and get ready, and it was like boom,

758
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 4: blindside all of us, Me, Shine, Marie, Joe, none of

759
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 4: us knew what was going on. I got traded. I'm

760
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 4: like and I'm I'm I'm hot, I'm not gonna hold you,

761
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 4: I'm not going front or none. I had to build

762
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 4: the crazy seven million dollar crib is just about to

763
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 4: be completed, and like within the month they did that,

764
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 4: they pulled the carpet from under me on floor. Like

765
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 4: what And then so now when everything is going through,

766
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 4: I'm trading New York. So now they getting my medical

767
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 4: work I had to have surgery on my my back. No,

768
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 4: I hadn't had Actually I hadn't had surgery yet, but

769
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 4: I had a I had some type of uh insurance

770
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 4: clause cause I had I had a herniated disk like

771
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 4: the year before. And when I signed with Phoenix, they

772
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 4: had like a whole insurance policy and all of this

773
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 4: different stuff that they didn't that New York didn't know about.

774
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 4: So when everything went right, before everything went through, they

775
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 4: seen this thing. Now I'm in Chicago, I had to

776
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 4: fly to New York two Phoenix, takeing wris and do

777
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 4: stuff on boats carts. I could have I could have

778
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 4: filled the whole thing, like how you said it didn't

779
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 4: the medical I could have just if my agent told

780
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 4: you was like, look, you had to do nothing.

781
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 5: He was like you could.

782
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 4: You could sit down and say whatever, and you could

783
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 4: have to take make up, take you back. But I'm

784
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 4: I'm scrappy do I'm hot, Like, nah, I'm not going

785
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 4: back somewhere they want me, they don't.

786
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 5: Want They traded me. I'm about to do and I'm mad.

787
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 4: I had to fly coast to coast bruh, Phoenix to

788
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 4: New York, long stupid dumb flights then go back home.

789
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 4: But I was dead upset that I did it. But

790
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 4: that speaks to like what you said. And we had

791
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 4: a great team and none of us, you know, everybody

792
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 4: was upset about it. It was just what they thought

793
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 4: they did to do. They you know, the chatter was,

794
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 4: we can't win it small. They want to get traded

795
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 4: me for Kurt Thomas. You know, I was just like

796
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 4: woll I was hot. I ain't gonna lie to you.

797
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 4: That just made me think about that.

798
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,919
Speaker 2: You know. It's I think people think because you're making

799
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 2: so much money that you don't have feelings. You have

800
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,359
Speaker 2: feelings for the city, you have feelings for your teammates,

801
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 2: and it's like and when you have kids, you forget.

802
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 2: Now you got to up your family and move to

803
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 2: another place because you know, basketball season it starts like

804
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 2: right before, you know, right after school, so you got

805
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 2: to get your kids in school, You got to do

806
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 2: all this.

807
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 5: Stuff, friends, best friends, any of that.

808
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, so people don't understand it's not it's you know,

809
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 2: it's a sacrifice that you may jumping from city city.

810
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 2: You don't want to do that because you don't want

811
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 2: to up with your kids. You already like the same

812
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 2: thing with you. I was building a home in Houston too,

813
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 2: right when I got traded from Houston to Poie.

814
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 4: So I think that hurt me more so than the trailer.

815
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 4: I think it took me a longer time to get

816
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 4: over the actual house.

817
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 5: Bruh. I'm gonna even alone for I get my feelings

818
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 5: on here again.

819
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 3: Don't get caught up in your feelings.

820
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 2: And I think I think people don't understand unless you

821
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 2: know a lot of guys they care, you know, they

822
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 2: care about where they are, they care about you know.

823
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,399
Speaker 2: And then you have to say, okay, am I being

824
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 2: traded because the teams don't want me? Or this other

825
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,760
Speaker 2: team really wants me? And so I've always said to myself,

826
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 2: if I get traded, it's not because they don't want

827
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 2: me to the other team really wants me. I told

828
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,439
Speaker 2: myself that, so I would be like, yeah, because somebody

829
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 2: else really wants me.

830
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 3: They want me more to what they're giving up, you know.

831
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 4: So that was what my agent kept telling me because

832
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 4: he knew how I was. That was that was that

833
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 4: was his battle crowd of me, like this.

834
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 3: Hey, we could tell ourselves that loud, we.

835
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 1: Want so so you and this this super trade like

836
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: this This was going to be a super team. When

837
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: they trade you for Barkley to bring Barkley over here

838
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: with the Lajahue and Drexeler to see if they can

839
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 1: make another push of the championship. How was that like,

840
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: getting traded away from a potential team that's going to

841
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: be a championship tender and go to Phoenix.

842
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. For me, we had we had, you know, went

843
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 2: to the Western Conference Final, won a championship, won a championship,

844
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 2: and then lost because we didn't really have a good team.

845
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 3: You know, we didn't have the parts. I feel like

846
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 3: if they would have just added I.

847
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,280
Speaker 2: Go back and look at that team, because they lost

848
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 2: in the Western Conference finals to the Utah And I said,

849
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 2: if they would have added all those pieces and left

850
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 2: Sam and now on that team and not Barkley, we

851
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 2: could have went back to the finals because Sam and

852
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 2: I brought something different to that team. And then they

853
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 2: got they got some guys, you know, they got old really.

854
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 3: Quick, and sometimes you need to really use to spark.

855
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 2: You and that that kind of I said, Okay, I

856
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 2: was happy they lost because I didn't want them to

857
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 2: win a champions and then going to a and then

858
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 2: going to Phoenix, where there was a lot of animosity

859
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 2: between the Rockets and the Phoenix from the playoffs, you know,

860
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 2: from the you know, being down from the kids. Yeah,

861
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,800
Speaker 2: and this, and people don't understand. Everybody think about the kiss,

862
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 2: but there's a lone story that leads up to that kiss,

863
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 2: and that's that was the Playoffs that you know, Danny

864
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 2: Ainge hit Mario in the face with the ball, and

865
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 2: people don't understand Danny Ainge was a picture and you

866
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 2: can't tell me that Chearles Barkley standing five the way

867
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 2: that he didn't do that on purpose. And then when

868
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 2: I got the Phoenix, the first thing out of his

869
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 2: mouth was, yeah, I hit Mario on purpose with the ball.

870
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 2: And I'm like, Mario's my boy. Man, I'm already you know,

871
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm like, I'm already not liking you. Now

872
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:36,919
Speaker 2: you tell me this, that just adds to it, you know, yeah. Yeah,

873
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 2: And so you know, and people don't understand that you've

874
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 2: developed relationships with people and you're gonna tell me this,

875
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 2: I don't have a relationship with you. Get now you're

876
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 2: gonna tell me you get my boy like this on purpose?

877
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,280
Speaker 2: And it's weird if you go back, you know that happened,

878
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 2: and we want they beat us two games, then we

879
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 2: won game the game three in their place, and he

880
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 2: hits Mario in the face of the ball. If you

881
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 2: go back and look it game uh four of that series,

882
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 2: and you if you sat there and watched, you can

883
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 2: see that we're not even trying to win that game.

884
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 2: We're just trying to lay Danny Ainge out. Every movie

885
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 2: we get, we're like hitting in every movie got. You

886
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 2: should see some of the screens and like like we were.

887
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 2: It was weird, man, because I mean, I want to

888
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 2: fall a shot and he went up and I slammed

889
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 2: into the floor like this. He jumps up and everybody

890
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 2: has swarm around here. His teammates kind of backed out,

891
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 2: like no, dude, you started this. We ain't getting that.

892
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 2: And and that was one of the things that kind

893
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 2: of led up to when I got the Phoenix, form

894
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 2: me not wanting to be there, and it's and I

895
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 2: could sit here and talk about so many things about,

896
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,760
Speaker 2: you know, getting the Phoenix. That kind of set me off,

897
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 2: you know, And and I look back now and I shouldn't.

898
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 3: I should have never handled that way. But to me,

899
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 3: it got me to a place like that.

900
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 5: We got those times in our careers.

901
00:38:55,840 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 2: And exactly, but you know when you when you have

902
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 2: that animosity towards someone and uh, Kye fits Chair was

903
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 2: a coach when I got to Phoenix, and he was great.

904
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 2: You know, he was trying to run the triangle and

905
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 2: where me and Danny Ainges really got into a situation.

906
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 2: And I remember we were playing the bulls and we're

907
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 2: trying to run the triangle and planing the bulls in Chicago.

908
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 2: We got beat by fifty, right, and so we in

909
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 2: practice the next day and.

910
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 3: We were like, well we didn't do this in the triangle.

911
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 3: We did and I did. I did the Dennis Robbers.

912
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,399
Speaker 2: I kind of raised my hand and yes, I said,

913
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 2: you know, I'm not trying to say anything, but we

914
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 2: always talking about an offense. What about our defense? We

915
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 2: got beat by fifty And this is where Dann Ainges

916
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 2: lost me. He stood up and was like, defense, you're

917
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 2: the worst defensive player on our team. And I got

918
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 2: up and did this. Wait one MF minute. Let me

919
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 2: tell you something. Wesley Persons is on his team. I

920
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 2: love this side and death, uh you know is on

921
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 2: his team. Danny Manner is on his team. And you're

922
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,720
Speaker 2: gonna call me out. I said, I'm the worst defending

923
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 2: on this I said, do I'm one hundred hundred guy,

924
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 2: one hundred blocks hunder steals.

925
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 3: Don't you ever say I'm the best on this team? Right?

926
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 2: And I go at him like that, And then two

927
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 2: days later Cotton quits. He was in there and Danny

928
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 2: takes over, and it was downhill from now. You know.

929
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 2: Danny's first game taking over was our game back in Houston.

930
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 2: And of course you want to love, you want the

931
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 2: fans to give you a little love. And I had

932
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 2: been starting, so my first game back to Houston, I

933
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 2: don't start, so there is more more animosity, building up

934
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,399
Speaker 2: and building up and building up. You know, I think,

935
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 2: I don't even I think I feel like five minutes

936
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 2: that game. You know, I wanted to feel that love

937
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 2: back in Houston, because every player does. You know, I

938
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,439
Speaker 2: want to I want two championship. I want to feel

939
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 2: that love. He puts Sam in.

940
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 3: Sam got his love.

941
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,879
Speaker 2: I want my love right and after I just after

942
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 2: that game, I was just on fire and on fire.

943
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 2: And then then he traded away Sam my boy. He

944
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 2: traded with Michael Finley. My boy, he traded with Mark

945
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 2: Bryant my boy. Uh and so it's just it.

946
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,959
Speaker 1: Was bad last of the Mohicans last.

947
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 2: You know, when your boys go and they kind of

948
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 2: contain you.

949
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 5: So yeah, they tell you.

950
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 4: So tell me your side of what happened that that

951
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 4: day in that game, you know, because Rex admitted it

952
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 4: to re credit. He was like, man, it's so long.

953
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 4: He was like, I don't know you like that. He said,

954
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 4: Let let Robert tell tell it.

955
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 3: Was so it was.

956
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 2: It was we were playing in Boston, and Boston we

957
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 2: had just traded away those guys and Danny comes to

958
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 2: me and says, hey, I traded away those guys to

959
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 2: give you more minutes. I'm like, okay, cool, you know,

960
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 2: even though I didn't want, you know, trade away Michael

961
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 2: Ac and these guys. So I'm out there, we're playing.

962
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 2: You know, I just hit a three, I gotta steal,

963
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,439
Speaker 2: got a block. I'm rolling right, feling pretty good. First

964
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 2: three minutes a game. Then I hear the you know,

965
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 2: the buzzleb I don't even look back because I know,

966
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 2: and they from me. Then Danny Manny comes is like, oh,

967
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 2: I'm coming to get you. I'm like, what I'm rolling now,

968
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 2: I'm coming to get you. And then I'm on my

969
00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 2: way back. I walked by Danny and I said, man,

970
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 2: that's a fed up man. He may sit your ass down.

971
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 2: And I and I got down to the end of

972
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 2: the bench and I'm like, he said what. And then

973
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 2: I walked back and sat next to him. I said,

974
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 2: what did you just say to me? He said, sit

975
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 2: chess man, something I don't want to say. And I said,

976
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 2: f you and through the tower space and walk back

977
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 2: to the end of the bitch. And so if it

978
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 2: won for Paul silas you know, I.

979
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 3: Love Paul size. I don't know if you ever played

980
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 3: for him Paul's size.

981
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 2: So we get back in the locker room and uh,

982
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 2: he's sitting next to me.

983
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 3: Calm down, Calm down, fella, come down. And then, uh,

984
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:37,919
Speaker 3: what's the big Joe?

985
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 2: Joe?

986
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 3: I came, Remember Joe's last dickheaded Joe.

987
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 2: I just call him that.

988
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 3: He got.

989
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 2: We don't do that kind of ship around here. I said,

990
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 2: First of all, you pete mother, I'll go off right.

991
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 2: I said, you ain't got. I said, you all soft.

992
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,280
Speaker 2: That's why we used to beat your hands with in Houston.

993
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 2: You're all soft. You don't want to you know, you're

994
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 2: going around here thinking the game. It's easy, I said,

995
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 2: and then Dan, It's like what I said, Man, come

996
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 2: on over there, calm now. You know in Boston that

997
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 2: locker room, they had another room and the other room

998
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 2: in the other room. And because I remember it was me,

999
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 2: Chucky Brown and Mark Bryant, I think the three of

1000
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 2: us was get to fight that whole team, you know,

1001
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 2: because they were taking Danny Inge's side, which I should

1002
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 2: have because that's the coach, and they all have been

1003
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,959
Speaker 2: there and played with Danny a long time. We three

1004
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 2: had no relation. We three hated Danny Ainge from the

1005
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 2: series of playing with him. So they took me to

1006
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 2: the side, you know, and I calmed down, you know,

1007
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,399
Speaker 2: they said that I got a call from Telangelo said,

1008
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 2: were gonna suspend you for two games. I'm like, that's

1009
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 2: fine with me, I said. And then I was so

1010
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 2: happy because the rumor was they was gonna release me.

1011
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, I'm just gonna go back to Houston, right,

1012
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 2: you know, because you know, you get released, I can

1013
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 2: go back to Houston. But thank God, said just a

1014
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 2: bots on a little sabbatical to Lake have Asu and

1015
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 2: the Lakers like how we can't have you doing this

1016
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 2: and they made that trade, you know, and Danny Inge

1017
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 2: was like, people don't understand you have you have emotions,

1018
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 2: and if you go back and you see the emotions

1019
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 2: that start off from pointing to point B, there was

1020
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 2: there was a lot of fire level that was starting

1021
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 2: to go for this volcano rough and he was just

1022
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 2: like pushing my buttons one by one by one. And

1023
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 2: then at the end when he took over as coach,

1024
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 2: he thought he could you know, he still talk to

1025
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 2: me that way because he was the head coaching I lost,

1026
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,399
Speaker 2: you know, and so it put me in a great

1027
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 2: position to play with the Lakers. But you know, at

1028
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 2: the end of the day, I wish I ould have

1029
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 2: handled it differently, but three championships laying with the Lakers

1030
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 2: really cares, right, Hey.

1031
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: Hey, I trade that any day.

1032
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 5: Hey, before before we moved to the Lakers.

1033
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 4: I gotta add, because you know this, this this is

1034
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 4: something that I hear a lot of banter about the

1035
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 4: two titles you want back to back in Houston?

1036
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 3: Yes, right, uh huh.

1037
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 4: I just recently heard Kenny saying that he thinks they

1038
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 4: still would have happened if MJ would not have retired.

1039
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 4: I don't agree with him. Do you you part of

1040
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 4: that team? Do you feel I feel like, I know

1041
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 4: what you're gonna say, but you feel like if MJ don't,

1042
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 4: if MJ don't walk away in ninety three, y'all still

1043
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 4: gonna win them two championships.

1044
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 2: We're gonna win those two championships because we had dreams

1045
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 2: and people.

1046
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 3: People, I want you to look back.

1047
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 2: Everybody says, Okay, the Bulls went out and revamped that team.

1048
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 2: They got Kukos, they got Rodman, they got Jason Kaft.

1049
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 2: I mean they got they got all these guys to

1050
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 2: make them better because they just got beat Borlando. They

1051
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 2: you know, everybody will say, well, MJ wasn't in shape.

1052
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 2: Hardy played forty games. He was in shape. He just

1053
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 2: dropped fifty five points against the Knicks. He was in shape.

1054
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 2: You know, he just got beat by faster, younger team.

1055
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 2: And you go back and you look look at the team.

1056
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 2: You know that I don't know if what MJ had

1057
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 2: gotten past the Knicks first. People don't respect that next team.

1058
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 2: That team, Oh my goodness, Mason. You know, uh Oakley,

1059
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 2: they were a beast and don't they don't think John

1060
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 2: Starks won no punk?

1061
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 3: You when that MJ like MJ.

1062
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 2: Would win at him. And so I don't know would

1063
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 2: he have gotten out the East people always wanted to

1064
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 2: talk about us. He would would have gotten past the

1065
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 2: Knicks first. If he would have got to us, he

1066
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 2: would have got past this. Because this is why I

1067
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 2: tell people I played for Field. I know how Field coaches.

1068
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,959
Speaker 2: I know he thinks the triangle is the best offense ever.

1069
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 2: We ran the triangle in Houston and just didn't know it.

1070
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 2: We just didn't call the triangle. We called it fifteen

1071
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 2: get the ball to dream and get out of the way.

1072
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,399
Speaker 2: And so if you look back at the matchups at

1073
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 2: those teams and you go back to the regular season,

1074
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 2: even go back to the regular season, we beat them

1075
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,240
Speaker 2: in the regular season on a consistent basis.

1076
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 3: So for them to sit there and say.

1077
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 2: The Bulls would have won, no, and who what what

1078
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 2: franchised outside of the boss of Celtics and they only

1079
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 2: played like with forty games a year, would have played

1080
00:46:58,680 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 2: a two games a year.

1081
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 3: And one eight championships in a row. Negative you know,

1082
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 3: your body.

1083
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 4: This is the only thing me being born and bred

1084
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,919
Speaker 4: from the crib, watching you see behind me, I got

1085
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 4: the first and last behind me right now. You feel me,

1086
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 4: so I would be remiss if I didn't say this.

1087
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 4: I'm just the way I felt and the way many

1088
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 4: of us Chicagoans felt. If Michael was lacing him up

1089
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 4: from the time where he broke down to doing one

1090
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 4: in ninety one, if we had the year that you

1091
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 4: talking about when we lost to the Magic as soon

1092
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 4: as Mike announced he was coming back to put the

1093
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:36,879
Speaker 4: place as the whole city said, we.

1094
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 5: The champs again.

1095
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 4: That's how entire that's how much we knew because and

1096
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 4: I'm telling you, I feel what you saying.

1097
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 5: You saying they didn't have this.

1098
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 4: They didn't say that, But I'm telling you, I know

1099
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 4: I speak for many Chicago Ones like me. If we

1100
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 4: had Mike and Scotti, nothing else mattered, we was gonna

1101
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 4: figure it out no matter I mean, because the truth

1102
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 4: of the matter is them six ones we won.

1103
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 5: That was what it was.

1104
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 4: As long as we had Mike and Scotti, it was

1105
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 4: gonna happen for a full season. Like I feel you,

1106
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 4: we didn't have him for the full And you know

1107
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 4: that could be argued about whatever, whether he was tired

1108
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 4: or whatever. I don't know, but I'm just saying, Chicago WANs.

1109
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 4: Once he won in ninety one, we knew it was

1110
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 4: over Mike. Mike, Mike's we champs again. That's why we

1111
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 4: even in ninety eight when everybody talking that crowd were

1112
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 4: still to this day it's Jerry ryan'storf and Jerry crossing

1113
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 4: him foult. We could have got another one. They have

1114
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,280
Speaker 4: him any us and Mike wanted to come back until

1115
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 4: Mike said he walking away. You can't tell none of

1116
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 4: us that he wasn't gonna win until you walked out.

1117
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 5: We would have to see. It's one of the things

1118
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 5: you got to see it to believe.

1119
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 2: And I guarantee you a couple of years back when

1120
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 2: Miami got Lebron, Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh, you just

1121
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 2: said they gonna win like four in a row.

1122
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 3: You just said that, right, all right?

1123
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 2: So and you would have told me with karmelone, Gary Payton,

1124
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 2: Shaq and Kobe there to beat Detroit.

1125
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, so, Dad, you go.

1126
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 5: You can't.

1127
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 2: You can't say because you got the best out there,

1128
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 2: that the product is gonna be on the floor, because

1129
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,919
Speaker 2: who knows. You get a hot look at Game four,

1130
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 2: Clyde and Dream both have forty against Utah. You never

1131
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 2: know you You got people that people understand Burn. Everybody

1132
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 2: talks about Clyde. Everybody said Clyde.

1133
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,280
Speaker 5: He saw what Clyde gonna do against MJ in the final.

1134
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 4: You saw that, You saw that he was okay, Wade

1135
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,800
Speaker 4: was that it's Michael and it's Clyde.

1136
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that, it's like by far.

1137
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 3: I'm not saying level like.

1138
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is because you gotta understand, Clyde was

1139
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 2: the best playing on that Portland team. So there's a

1140
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 2: lot of pressure. Now he comes to Houston. He ain't

1141
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 2: got no pressure on. All the pressure falls on that

1142
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 2: big Nigeria down there that nobody can stop that you.

1143
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 4: Vote until he played, until he played that black Cat

1144
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,359
Speaker 4: in the finals. Then he got all the pressure because

1145
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 4: you you, you, you and that Nigeria.

1146
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 3: Hell's no pressure, man, he feels no pressure.

1147
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 5: No, I ain't talking about Dream and got that pressure.

1148
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 5: I'm talking about Clyde when he came and Mike. I

1149
00:49:58,640 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 5: can't imagine nothing.

1150
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 2: But I'm saying though, let me ask you this question, whoever,

1151
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 2: who was gonna guard Dream?

1152
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 5: That's gonna be a problem. I don't care what millennium.

1153
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 4: What I'm talking about I don't care what are you

1154
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 4: talking about?

1155
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 2: Point is you the people the calibery God has got

1156
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 2: the guard Dreamers nowhere near the caliber the person that's

1157
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 2: gonna guard Mike. You know what I'm saying, because you

1158
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 2: know you're trying to say Client System is not a

1159
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 2: top fifty guy. You forget that he's a top fifty guy,

1160
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:27,240
Speaker 2: so you're trying.

1161
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 5: To say he wasn't. I didn't say he wasn't a

1162
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 5: top fifty. I was just.

1163
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 3: Un that's gonna be guarding Dream so and feels.

1164
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 4: But what I'm saying when you look at those and

1165
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,479
Speaker 4: but the honesty to me is like that don't matter.

1166
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 4: It didn't matter if it was top five or not.

1167
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 4: Dream gonna do it, just like it don't matter if

1168
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 4: it's top fifty or not. Mike gonna do it. That's

1169
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 4: not watch It don't matter like they nobody about to

1170
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 4: check Dream and no Millennium he was the man.

1171
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,240
Speaker 5: I ain't trying to don't don't don't get those.

1172
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 2: Words make you what we said. It's gonna it's gonna

1173
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,359
Speaker 2: Mike and Dream is gonna be a wash. So it's

1174
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 2: gonna be a the rest of us to try to

1175
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 2: figure it out.

1176
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 3: You know, so they.

1177
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 2: Shouldn't wanted you.

1178
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 4: I can't expent you to say nothing else. Can you

1179
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 4: be all on your on your head top.

1180
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 2: I'd be mad at myself for me to send them

1181
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 2: said we wouldn't want it, because you know, the thing

1182
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:21,359
Speaker 2: we did in ninety five, nobody would ever be able

1183
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,359
Speaker 2: to do the things we did in ninety five, you know.

1184
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 5: Straight up, straight up.

1185
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 1: Well, you get to the Lakers, you gotta you got

1186
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: young Covid, you got you got Shack, and these guys

1187
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: haven't won, but you got guys like you and like

1188
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: a c. Green, you know, guys who actually won in

1189
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: this league. Trying to get these see the talent in

1190
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 1: these young guys, but trying to get them on the

1191
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 1: championship low. How was that when you first got to

1192
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: the Laker And how the environment was before Field got.

1193
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 2: The man was it was every man for himself, you know,

1194
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 2: and we asked some talent, think about Nick Bannex, All start,

1195
00:51:55,680 --> 00:52:00,760
Speaker 2: Eddie Jones, all start, Cold, all start, you know, all start.

1196
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 2: It got to a point where you know, it was

1197
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 2: like okay.

1198
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 3: My turn to school, My turn to school, okay, and

1199
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 3: it was like.

1200
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 2: It was no no, no, unity felt like it was

1201
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:11,720
Speaker 2: it was just it was too many cooks in the kitchen,

1202
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:13,919
Speaker 2: you know, and it was just we had a good

1203
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 2: team and everybody loved each other. But sometimes you need

1204
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 2: some some some specialists. You know. You need someone like

1205
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 2: Rick Fox is going to lock you up, you know,

1206
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 2: you know, throw you on your butt. You need somebody

1207
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 2: like b Shaw that has a good relationship with with

1208
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 2: with with Shack for the lobs and stuff like that.

1209
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 2: You got, you know, people like d Fishes just gonna

1210
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:35,280
Speaker 2: you know, you know, beat the Little Bulldog and Naggi.

1211
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 2: You need specialists, you know, if you got.

1212
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 3: Three four scoring specials out there.

1213
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 2: You know, even though Eddie Jones was a good defender,

1214
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 2: he kind of backed away from certain people, you know,

1215
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 2: like they are rider and those bigger, you know, guards,

1216
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 2: and so it wasn't it wasn't a true team. You

1217
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,280
Speaker 2: had a lot of talent, but it was no camaraderie

1218
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 2: on the court.

1219
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 1: Loaded How was it when you got to the Lakers

1220
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 1: right before Field got there, and uh, when Shaq and

1221
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 1: Kobe was there and they was trying to find ay

1222
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: success with you on a c green having success in

1223
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: this league already, how was it like navigating them? Couple

1224
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:13,280
Speaker 1: of seasons before Field got there.

1225
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 2: You know, it was it was crazy. You know when

1226
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:17,800
Speaker 2: you said to Wild Wild Wid, she think of this team.

1227
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 2: You know, we had All Star Nick Bannex, All Star,

1228
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 2: Eddie Jones, All Star, Kobe Bryant, all star shot. We

1229
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 2: had a lot of talent, but we just went able

1230
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 2: to put it together on the court. You know, it

1231
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 2: was so many different things that affect us. You know,

1232
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 2: we had Eldon Campbell, we had all these guys, Rick Fox,

1233
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 2: and we just had no camaraderie on the court. It

1234
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 2: was just like it was too many good players and

1235
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 2: we didn't have any specialists. You know, we need someone

1236
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 2: to come out and say, Okay, I'm gonna do this,

1237
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 2: you gonna do this, You're gonna do this.

1238
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 3: And when you got four scores, you know it's gonna

1239
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 3: take away from someone getting hot. And you know you

1240
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 3: got teams. You see teams now were like look at

1241
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 3: the Pistons. We had four great players, four all stars,

1242
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:56,240
Speaker 3: and they was able.

1243
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:56,399
Speaker 2: To do it.

1244
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 3: But they didn't have to worry about Ben Wallace.

1245
00:53:58,440 --> 00:53:58,720
Speaker 5: Shoot.

1246
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 2: You didn't have to chance Ran to show and he

1247
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:02,800
Speaker 2: shot when he got ready, but he got made. You

1248
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 2: and Rashi got their numbers to worry about exactly they were.

1249
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 4: They were they were a special group too, and everything

1250
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:12,839
Speaker 4: was just.

1251
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 2: When you have four all stars like that, but these

1252
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 2: weren't full specialists. You know, Nick gets some assists, but

1253
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 2: most time, if you had Nick had to go up

1254
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 2: against a lot of guguards and Nicholas trying to prove

1255
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 2: his own he said, I'm trying to make my mark,

1256
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 2: and Jones trying to make his mark, and of course

1257
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 2: that young Kobe Bryant, he was trying to make his mark.

1258
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 2: So it really wasn't a lot of continuity going on

1259
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 2: on the court, so you had to make some changes

1260
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 2: and some guys had to, you know, step back and

1261
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 2: look at themselves say, hey, you know this ain't this

1262
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 2: this is a spot for me. I got to do

1263
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,439
Speaker 2: this if we want to be successful. And that's I think.

1264
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 2: If every guy in the league to step back sometimes,

1265
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 2: so what do I need to do to make this

1266
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 2: team be successful, there'll be a lot more successful teams

1267
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 2: and you know, a lot more guys you know, willing

1268
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 2: to you know, lay down their body and make the

1269
00:54:59,160 --> 00:54:59,720
Speaker 2: team better.

1270
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:03,799
Speaker 1: When Field got there in two thousand, that's when we

1271
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 1: got drafted. Like when we got drafted and we played

1272
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: against y'all, it was like we played against everybody, but

1273
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,720
Speaker 1: when we played against y'all, it was like, they can't

1274
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: be beat because like, even if we fight enough and

1275
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:19,280
Speaker 1: have a good game and get the game close, Kobe

1276
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: are in this bitch for him and we can't beat him.

1277
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 1: Like in two thousand when Field got there, and just

1278
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 1: the different type of confidence that Shaq and Kobe had

1279
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: with then theyself. What was that season like to start

1280
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 1: that three feet off?

1281
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 2: When you have someone who's coached goat, you have someone

1282
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 2: that brings respect. I think Shaq was scared of feeling

1283
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:43,760
Speaker 2: respected him so much that he finally got in shape.

1284
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 2: Shaq was in great shape going into that season, and

1285
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:50,280
Speaker 2: so you know, that's why you want MVP. And everybody

1286
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,800
Speaker 2: was like, Okay, he coached Michael Jordan. He coach Michael Jordan.

1287
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 2: If he can coach Michael Jordan and Michael Jordan respects him,

1288
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 2: we got to come out and play up to something

1289
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 2: certain standards.

1290
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think due to the fact.

1291
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 2: That they enjoyed them so much and respect the field

1292
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 2: so much, they enjoyed playing for them, and that was

1293
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 2: a big deal with all of that, because if you

1294
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 2: have a coach that's respected by the players. You're gonna

1295
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 2: go out and lay your heart on the line, just

1296
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 2: like you know with Pop. Everybody respect them, so they

1297
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 2: gonna come out and play hard for him. But he

1298
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:25,240
Speaker 2: brought a certain his quote unquote senfulness to the team.

1299
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:26,800
Speaker 3: Guys got on board.

1300
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 2: And everybody talks about the you know, Shagg and Coche,

1301
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 2: but the key to that team was Ron Harper. You know,

1302
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 2: Ron Harper came to that team and he brought a

1303
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:43,280
Speaker 2: certain maturity. He bought a certain you know, veteran leadership

1304
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 2: to that team that we needed. You know, he came

1305
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:47,760
Speaker 2: and he he knew the system because if one champion

1306
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 2: was on the field and he got everybody in the

1307
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 2: right position and everybody was like you know, and field

1308
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 2: would get upset. Part would do this and tell us

1309
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:56,879
Speaker 2: what to do to you know, to bring it back

1310
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 2: back into the fold and tell us what So Park

1311
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 2: doesn't get talked about.

1312
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:03,800
Speaker 3: But he was a big, big key to our success,

1313
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 3: not just on the court, but.

1314
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 2: Off the court.

1315
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 3: And he brought us together.

1316
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 2: He got us to play on the field, and it

1317
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 2: was it was a great moment for us to play

1318
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 2: on the field because he got Kobe understand that Michael

1319
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 2: Jordan need teammates, So you need teammates, got shot understand

1320
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 2: to get in shape and be a dominant force and

1321
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 2: dunk on everybody and got everybody else to get in

1322
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 2: line because nobody wanted to get traded to leave LA

1323
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 2: because it's a great place to play.

1324
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 3: So everybody else kind of.

1325
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 2: Fell in line.

1326
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 1: With that team. With that team. Like let's talk about

1327
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 1: your role in that team. Like when we played that team,

1328
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 1: it was like you always hit the best three, like

1329
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 1: the three to put them up three, or like you

1330
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 1: don't score, you don't do none of this, Like you're

1331
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 1: always in the game and you always hitting the shot

1332
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 1: when they when they like to to be on a

1333
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 1: team like that, to accept your role, to do do

1334
00:57:56,800 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 1: the little small things that people just don't see on

1335
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 1: those stats sheet to be a part of the team.

1336
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 5: Like how was it?

1337
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 1: How did you get to that to click right right

1338
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 1: away of that team?

1339
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 2: You know, for me, it was I remember being back

1340
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 2: in Houston where I got plays called from me. You know,

1341
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 2: I was going from every year I was in Houston.

1342
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 2: My points went up, My points went up, My points

1343
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 2: went up, right and you know, as as a young guy,

1344
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 2: you said Okay, this is what I need. And you

1345
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 2: get to Houston you realize, okay, I don't get in

1346
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 2: their plays right for me. I can either let this

1347
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 2: bother me. But then you sit back and you look

1348
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 2: at the situation, you analyze it. You know, at the

1349
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 2: at the beginning of every team know.

1350
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 3: If they got a chance win a championship.

1351
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 2: Now you know, you know if you got the talent,

1352
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 2: and you shit around the league and what they have.

1353
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 2: And I looked around leading like, ain't nobody as good

1354
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 2: as us? And we got some talent. We can win

1355
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 2: this thing. We got the right pieces because I've been

1356
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 2: on championship teams and you need certain pieces to be successful.

1357
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 2: And so as as a player, he says, okay, well

1358
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 2: you're going to accept this role and do what's needed

1359
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 2: for this team. You know, my favorite line is say

1360
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 2: is I don't make the product. I make the product better.

1361
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 2: I said, I don't you know I go on the

1362
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 2: team I figured I.

1363
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 3: Was from like from going to you know, when.

1364
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 2: Shot goes the free throws, going up to talk to him,

1365
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 2: to making him relax, and you know say, oh man,

1366
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 2: he sweat them many you missed this, you know, trying

1367
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 2: to get his mind off it, you know, going over

1368
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:21,439
Speaker 2: to people like you know, Kobe and just saying, hey, Koch,

1369
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 2: you know what you know, you know that's someone that

1370
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 2: that's someone else you you know what I mean. So

1371
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 2: it's it's just things like that, because when you win

1372
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 2: championships to bring respect and I think feel about respect.

1373
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 2: And I bought respect and a Sea bought respect. So

1374
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 2: those guys kind of listen to us and along with

1375
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 2: part and they were like, Okay, you know, these guys

1376
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 2: know what they're talking about. They've been to the mountaintop.

1377
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 2: So for me, it was a process and it was

1378
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 2: a process for me. It was a process for them.

1379
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 2: And good thing that we learned that process quick enough

1380
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 2: to you know, go to the finals.

1381
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 1: Did you did you ever trip off of like because

1382
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:00,160
Speaker 1: when I play you on the game or something like

1383
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 1: I'm starting Robber or I'm not starting a C Green

1384
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 1: or Horse Grant on some Micky Walker and it's like,

1385
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 1: did you ever trip off? Like damn, why y'all putting

1386
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:10,919
Speaker 1: them in front of me and I played the key

1387
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 1: minutes and so forth on? Did you ever have a

1388
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:13,919
Speaker 1: problem with with them?

1389
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 2: You know, I didn't be honest you, I never did,

1390
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:20,919
Speaker 2: because for me when I had to watch guys from

1391
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 2: the bench. Guys have tendencies. Guys gonna be like, Okay,

1392
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 2: this is what I'm doing tonight. You know, if you

1393
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 2: watch most guys, you know guys his routine, you know

1394
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 2: what he's doing. If he's hot, he's not how to

1395
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 2: stop him because we all have the game plans on.

1396
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 2: You know their greatness, we know their weakness. And so

1397
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 2: I would sit back and watch. It's like, Okay, he's

1398
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 2: doing this tonight because he thinks this is working for me.

1399
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 2: So AC would beat him up and then I would

1400
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 2: come into finesse. Everybody, you know, it was like the

1401
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 2: two guys. Everybody hear me was always beat him up

1402
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 2: and I would come in to put the finest part.

1403
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:53,920
Speaker 2: But it was a process, and I didn't care because

1404
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 2: I was playing fourth quarter.

1405
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 3: Who we didn't count on me, and that's all that

1406
01:00:58,440 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 3: mattered me.

1407
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 2: If I'm in there at the fourth quarter, and plus

1408
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 2: I looked at me for that I could be fresh

1409
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 2: by the end of the game so I could play.

1410
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 2: Now I have to play all these minutes, you know, Yeah,

1411
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 2: it's it's it's a marathon, you know, So see.

1412
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 5: How you do it.

1413
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 1: I used I used to be crossing Devon. I used

1414
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 1: to be crossing Demon George.

1415
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 3: Up.

1416
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 1: As soon as you get in the game, you send

1417
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 1: on my crossof. I just see your hand right there.

1418
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 1: I was like you sending on my cross over there.

1419
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 1: I'm out here crossing Demon George. That's up running over

1420
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 1: and down court. You're getting the game.

1421
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 2: You have to you have to be observed when you

1422
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 2: send the bit.

1423
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 3: You have to learn. You watch.

1424
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 2: You watch the best players. You watch the guys you

1425
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 2: might have to guard because you know you got your

1426
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 2: favorite move. I don't know your favorite move. I'm not

1427
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 2: a good defender. I need to know your favorite move.

1428
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me ask you this. When we got to

1429
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 1: we got to the Clippers. Clippers was known to be

1430
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 1: one of the worst teams ever to be assembled in

1431
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 1: the n b A. And then it was this newfound

1432
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 1: energy when we got to the clip. What did you

1433
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 1: think of us as young kids, because we were the

1434
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 1: youngest team we had like high school here, What do

1435
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 1: you think of us when we got to playing for

1436
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 1: the Clippers trying to make some noise.

1437
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 3: And to be honest, hated you guys because.

1438
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 2: You guys started the air of no fear. You know,

1439
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 2: you had no fear because you wanted to make your mark.

1440
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 2: You wanted to come out there. You were fast, you

1441
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 2: will high jump, use that new.

1442
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 3: Hybrid that you could do. Everything wasn't anything you could do.

1443
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 2: So I remember, and it's like, we gotta beat the

1444
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 2: clippers that across town rivals.

1445
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 3: These young buss will.

1446
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 2: Come in with this energy because they're trying to make

1447
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 2: a name for themselves.

1448
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh my goodness.

1449
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 2: I'm like, so I'm like coming off a bitch like

1450
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 2: Shack Kobe, get up early so I don't have to

1451
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 2: play because I don't want to have to go out

1452
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 2: there and chase the young guys all over the court.

1453
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:41,440
Speaker 2: And it's it's it's weird because when you come across

1454
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 2: guys like you guys, and and then you get the

1455
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 2: ducks and you start doing your stuff. I'm like, but

1456
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 2: you respect it, because that's one thing I always admire

1457
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 2: about people. You don't fear anybody. You make them fear you.

1458
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 2: You try to make them fear you. You go at them,

1459
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 2: and that's what you guys. Dude.

1460
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 3: He was like, y'all didn't hear anybody.

1461
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 2: Y'all went at someone and said I'm gonna.

1462
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 3: Make my name. I'm gonna go at you just like

1463
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 3: you're gonna be.

1464
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 2: And I always had an appreciation, but all in the back,

1465
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 2: I said, I hate because you know, you're young, you fast,

1466
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 2: you talk a lot of trash, And it was just

1467
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 2: you know, you know, you talked a lot of trash

1468
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 2: on the slide, you talked a lot of trash.

1469
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 1: Man passing y'all, y'all the first ya fellas coming there talking.

1470
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I mean, we beat y'all. We beat

1471
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 5: y'all at one game.

1472
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 1: We celebrated like we won the championship, straight up, beat y'all. No,

1473
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 1: y'all couldn't tell us ship we want to get any game.

1474
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 1: And we found shot out he was like, we got

1475
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 1: him now, we got him now. This this is a question,

1476
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 1: Like this is a good question because I argue with

1477
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 1: folks about this question all the time, and you actually

1478
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 1: played with both of these guys. Like I love Dream

1479
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 1: Dreaming one of my favorite players ever. But I just

1480
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:06,919
Speaker 1: feel like the prime Shock, the two thousand and two

1481
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 1: thousand and three shock, I don't see a center can

1482
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 1: with whole four quarters of that shit.

1483
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 5: That's what I'm picking every time.

1484
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 1: So like Dream and that Laker, Shack, like I know,

1485
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 1: Dream got in his ass and in the nineties, but

1486
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 1: like that Laker, Shack was like, I never seen a

1487
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:26,000
Speaker 1: player like that ever in my life that dominate And

1488
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:27,959
Speaker 1: I don't feel like a center, no matter how good

1489
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:31,080
Speaker 1: you live, won't take four quarters of that shit MVP.

1490
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 2: That Shack was crazy because he had the footwork of

1491
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 2: his case. He said, defeat work. He had the footwork

1492
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 2: anything on the post. You know he was douge. He

1493
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 2: was making free throws every now and then, but you

1494
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 2: know he he was so he was so dominating the post.

1495
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 2: I remember when he you know, Sabonus think about the

1496
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:52,760
Speaker 2: Sabonis was the strongest and biggest guy in the NBA,

1497
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 2: and he was just moving to him like he was nothing.

1498
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:59,080
Speaker 2: And I guarantee you if Shack in two thousand and

1499
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:00,920
Speaker 2: two thousand and four Shock have been in two thousands

1500
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 2: and one Shock, they're probably one that Chuck Ben Wallace

1501
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 2: want to be able to amble him, you know, to

1502
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:08,800
Speaker 2: watch then Wallace play that Shock then who wasn't in shape?

1503
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:10,920
Speaker 3: Well I should he was in shape or not the

1504
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 3: top shape.

1505
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 2: He was back then. I was like, who is this Shock?

1506
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 2: You know, who is this guy? But he was when

1507
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 2: he was in shape, man, he was like no other.

1508
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 2: He was a force.

1509
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 4: One of my favorite stories that and de Mans is

1510
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 4: part of this story. He knows it because we we

1511
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:27,040
Speaker 4: were fortunate enough to be on the on the on

1512
01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:29,200
Speaker 4: the on the good side, on the love inside of

1513
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 4: the big fellow where he embraced us, he looked out

1514
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 4: for us. So I remember the first time we played

1515
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:36,720
Speaker 4: y'all man were playing. This was obviously in La on him,

1516
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:40,440
Speaker 4: but it was on y'all home court and I'm lining

1517
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 4: up against him on the free till somebody shooting free throws,

1518
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:46,720
Speaker 4: and you know he's staying there and I don't think

1519
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:49,640
Speaker 4: he was expected. The shot came off and missed. I

1520
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 4: went up and tried to quick tip dunky. You know

1521
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 4: I used to get up try tip dunk. I'm up

1522
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 4: there and I almost got him. It was like he

1523
01:05:57,080 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 4: had like a delayed reaction, like wait a minute, just

1524
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 4: lifted up his arm like this sent me flying, and

1525
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:04,120
Speaker 4: he was like he helped me up.

1526
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:05,800
Speaker 5: He was like you lucky.

1527
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:06,240
Speaker 3: I like you.

1528
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 4: He was like I could have I could have fucked

1529
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 4: you up right there. He was like, don't do that.

1530
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 4: He was like he like, don't do that again. He like,

1531
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:14,479
Speaker 4: don't do that again. I was like, I was like, boy,

1532
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 4: I was like this the wait but it was like

1533
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:19,200
Speaker 4: like speaking on his strength. It was like it was effortless,

1534
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 4: just lifted up his arm like wait a minute. Once

1535
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:23,840
Speaker 4: he realized what's happening, I was like, boy, this dude,

1536
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:27,360
Speaker 4: he is a mons. I had never seen nobody that big.

1537
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 4: Like we first met him in pregame room. He was

1538
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:32,880
Speaker 4: in the weight room in the back. Man came back there.

1539
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:35,280
Speaker 4: I'm looking at him like dag, like this ain't real.

1540
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:35,720
Speaker 2: Man.

1541
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 3: He was drunk on people.

1542
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:41,479
Speaker 2: He could handles, man, and he just was a guy

1543
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:44,360
Speaker 2: that was putting the league on notice.

1544
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:46,200
Speaker 5: I want to ask you a question.

1545
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:49,080
Speaker 1: We had the opportunity to do an interview with Kobe

1546
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:54,440
Speaker 1: back Intember, and uh, just his energy, the person he

1547
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:57,840
Speaker 1: was coming and just that or you had a chance

1548
01:06:57,840 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 1: to be with Kobe when he was like young and

1549
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:04,880
Speaker 1: to see him right before he passed the father, the husband,

1550
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:07,680
Speaker 1: the man he become like just speak up and just

1551
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 1: touch on that if that's cool with you.

1552
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 3: Man.

1553
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:13,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know for me, I had just saw him,

1554
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:16,760
Speaker 2: uh two weeks before that happened, and we were talking

1555
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 2: about you know, basketball, talking about it, and I looked

1556
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 2: at us to do I can't believe you coaching, and

1557
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:23,960
Speaker 2: I can't believe you coaching. There was no emotional he said,

1558
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:26,400
Speaker 2: I know, right, So you know it was just it

1559
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:29,240
Speaker 2: was just it's just weird to see, you know, when

1560
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 2: you talk about maturity, this guy matured.

1561
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 3: He had so many different layers.

1562
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:38,680
Speaker 2: I mean when he was a rookie, he was like

1563
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:42,280
Speaker 2: so energetic, trying to learn, trying to beat everybody, trying to,

1564
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 2: you know, go one on one with everybody. Then him

1565
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:46,800
Speaker 2: learn that he needed his teammates, and then you know,

1566
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 2: you know, understanding that you know, you could pass on

1567
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:55,520
Speaker 2: some knowledge. And I think every player out there would

1568
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 2: love to have their older version come back and tap

1569
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:01,920
Speaker 2: them on the shoulder and tutor them because.

1570
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:05,840
Speaker 3: I would have loved to play with the Kobe Bryant and.

1571
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:09,760
Speaker 2: His his his his later years, you know, because you

1572
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:12,160
Speaker 2: know when we played with Kobe, he was he was

1573
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:14,760
Speaker 2: good to me, but he still had that wall up

1574
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:18,920
Speaker 2: where he didn't really let people in. And I think

1575
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:20,719
Speaker 2: they had a lot to do with the age gap,

1576
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 2: because when he first got to the Lakers, you guys

1577
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 2: were mad at him because they took the beer out

1578
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 2: the locker room because he was you know, eighteen, if

1579
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:31,720
Speaker 2: you forget that, every after every game said beer in

1580
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:33,840
Speaker 2: the locker room, because that's what guys used to do.

1581
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:36,240
Speaker 2: They took it out because to him. And I think,

1582
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:39,080
Speaker 2: you know, we would go out after games. You can't

1583
01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:40,840
Speaker 2: go with the young fellow, you can. It kind of

1584
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:43,240
Speaker 2: separated us, you know. He can only talk on you know,

1585
01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:45,479
Speaker 2: on the bus for so long in practice, and I

1586
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:47,559
Speaker 2: just wish that I took the opportunity, you know, to

1587
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:49,720
Speaker 2: you know, talk to him more. I mean, one of

1588
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:51,600
Speaker 2: the moments we had the most fun with him and

1589
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:55,479
Speaker 2: I was we were going, uh, I forget what we

1590
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:59,480
Speaker 2: were flying to, but we sat together on the plane and.

1591
01:08:58,880 --> 01:08:59,639
Speaker 3: We got to talking.

1592
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:01,720
Speaker 2: He was talk about you know, how much you know

1593
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:04,840
Speaker 2: video tape the wise, you know, you know, he was

1594
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 2: asking me how I was to play with Dream, how

1595
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 2: was to play with Vernon? And he was.

1596
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:13,439
Speaker 3: He was unbelievable person man.

1597
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 2: And and I think if he went to play basketball,

1598
01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:19,679
Speaker 2: he'd been successful in anything he wanted to be, because

1599
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:21,760
Speaker 2: the kid was I wouldn't I want to know if

1600
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:24,479
Speaker 2: he ever took an IQ test, because I think he was.

1601
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:28,400
Speaker 2: He's a borderline genius. Man, because the things he's done

1602
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:30,880
Speaker 2: in his life, the things he able to accomplish, either

1603
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:33,360
Speaker 2: he has a twin and he don't sleep, or he

1604
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:34,080
Speaker 2: got to be the.

1605
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 3: Smartest, one of the smartest people you ever come across.

1606
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:39,479
Speaker 2: Because, uh, just to sit down and talk to him

1607
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:42,160
Speaker 2: and to get to know him, it was a blessing.

1608
01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:43,639
Speaker 3: And you know, and.

1609
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:48,840
Speaker 2: You hate that someone who was building a great rep

1610
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:49,920
Speaker 2: for ladies.

1611
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 3: Basketball for his family, you know, had to go out

1612
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:55,400
Speaker 3: that way. Man. I remember, I think I was one

1613
01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:57,640
Speaker 3: of those people when when my wife's.

1614
01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:00,679
Speaker 2: Nephew called us and said it happened and stopped playing,

1615
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:03,000
Speaker 2: and uh, I think I even went on the show

1616
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:05,800
Speaker 2: to do the show a spectrum and I still was like,

1617
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:08,559
Speaker 2: it ain't real. Many sakes real and because it was

1618
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:13,880
Speaker 2: just it was just such a devastating event that happened.

1619
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:16,479
Speaker 2: And you know, I lost my daughter when she was seventeen.

1620
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:19,679
Speaker 2: Now this woman has lost her daughter and her husband.

1621
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:23,040
Speaker 2: I know, she is devastating, and you know, and for

1622
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:25,680
Speaker 2: and people always talk about Vanessa, but you know he

1623
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:29,200
Speaker 2: always talk about Jellyby and his wife. They lost their son,

1624
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:32,000
Speaker 2: you know, and it's it's such a tragic moment for

1625
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:34,840
Speaker 2: you to lose in a in a way like that.

1626
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:37,439
Speaker 2: You know, it's just and it goes back to what

1627
01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:40,320
Speaker 2: we said earlier. I always think about this, what if

1628
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:44,439
Speaker 2: he didn't have the means to have a helicopter. You know,

1629
01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:47,280
Speaker 2: we don't even have this. You know, we do things

1630
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 2: because we have the means, and sometimes that can put

1631
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 2: us in harm's way. And and I just wish you

1632
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 2: would have drove there that day, man, you know, we

1633
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:57,040
Speaker 2: drove there Spoggy Drive. You know, we were still having

1634
01:10:57,160 --> 01:10:59,160
Speaker 2: with us to you know, pass on the knowledge because

1635
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:02,680
Speaker 2: I will have love to have a last dance with

1636
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:05,040
Speaker 2: Kobe Bryant, you know. And I noticed they said it's

1637
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:07,519
Speaker 2: a room, that's something out there, but I want to

1638
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 2: see him being Michael George. Yes, yeah, so it's you

1639
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:16,680
Speaker 2: know you I keep saying again it was it's just

1640
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:19,439
Speaker 2: trying to lose someone with so much potential. I know,

1641
01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:21,720
Speaker 2: it's weird to say they were potentially because he had

1642
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:23,439
Speaker 2: so much potential after basketball.

1643
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, and his Uh, it was just something about him

1644
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 1: just knowing how competitive he was when he was playing,

1645
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:34,840
Speaker 1: and just to just see him now his energy and

1646
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:37,639
Speaker 1: what he was doing with the with the little girls

1647
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:41,559
Speaker 1: and the women's basketball League and just the book. He

1648
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:44,240
Speaker 1: was doing just so much his energy and this was

1649
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:47,960
Speaker 1: just totally different, you know, Like you said, it seemed

1650
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:49,639
Speaker 1: like he can do anything in the world he put

1651
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:52,080
Speaker 1: his mind to, and that's what he was doing. But

1652
01:11:52,439 --> 01:11:54,080
Speaker 1: it definitely hurt me deeply.

1653
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:58,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, especially when you just had a conversation.

1654
01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:00,760
Speaker 2: Because my son loves Barty Armor. I always just joked

1655
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:02,640
Speaker 2: about it, like who everybody, I Man, I'm tied of

1656
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 2: buying it. I got you, I'm gonna send you. I'm

1657
01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 2: sna put you on the list and send you something

1658
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 2: every month, I'm like. So, you know, it's just things

1659
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:11,720
Speaker 2: like that. You always remember. You love those joking moments, man,

1660
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:14,200
Speaker 2: You love all those moments you get to you think

1661
01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:17,040
Speaker 2: back and you start crying about it, man, because you

1662
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:22,320
Speaker 2: you don't realize how important people you come across, aren't

1663
01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:24,640
Speaker 2: you in your life? You know, it might be just

1664
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:26,560
Speaker 2: for a moment, you know, especially when you get a

1665
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:28,320
Speaker 2: chance to win the championships with them.

1666
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:30,719
Speaker 3: And share all those you know, moments on the court

1667
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:31,040
Speaker 3: with them.

1668
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:34,679
Speaker 2: And that's that brothers of the basketball that our fans

1669
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:35,719
Speaker 2: would never understand.

1670
01:12:36,479 --> 01:12:39,960
Speaker 4: So how was that when y'all went experiencing that the

1671
01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:42,880
Speaker 4: first and then going through that three people with that team,

1672
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:46,479
Speaker 4: like watching watching Cold become Kobe and you know Shock

1673
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:49,400
Speaker 4: have MVPs and both of them just become the one

1674
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:51,240
Speaker 4: of the best duos we've ever seen.

1675
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:56,080
Speaker 2: You know, it was it was a process, and you know,

1676
01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:59,840
Speaker 2: everybody always talks about the the rivalry those two have,

1677
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:02,520
Speaker 2: but they never showed it to present it in practice

1678
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:05,680
Speaker 2: and games, on the bus, in the locker room, it

1679
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:08,400
Speaker 2: was always respectful of the respectful of the guys in

1680
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:09,080
Speaker 2: the locker room.

1681
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 3: So you know, for them guys to come together.

1682
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:15,080
Speaker 2: And play off one another and do the things they

1683
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:17,760
Speaker 2: were able to do was incredible because you know, you

1684
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 2: got a young Kob who was just trying to make

1685
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:20,439
Speaker 2: his mark.

1686
01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:21,599
Speaker 3: He was trying to be the goat.

1687
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:24,080
Speaker 2: You got Shock who's trying to get a championship and

1688
01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:26,080
Speaker 2: make his reign as the best sitting in the game.

1689
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:28,200
Speaker 2: So you got these two guys both trying to establish

1690
01:13:28,240 --> 01:13:30,840
Speaker 2: themselves and but they learned how to work together. They

1691
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:34,120
Speaker 2: put they put aside, you know, their their their own personal.

1692
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:35,200
Speaker 3: Goals and put the team first.

1693
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:37,880
Speaker 2: You know, Shot got his MVP and we were able

1694
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:40,960
Speaker 2: to dominate, and you know, it was a rotating, you know,

1695
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:43,720
Speaker 2: power forward. And that's why every year I was like this,

1696
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:45,559
Speaker 2: am I gonna get traded? Am I gonna be here?

1697
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:48,599
Speaker 2: But it was always a c and we got horrors,

1698
01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:52,040
Speaker 2: then we got Smocky. You know. The power Forward door

1699
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:54,960
Speaker 2: was always you know, a swinging door. And but we

1700
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:57,920
Speaker 2: was always had that main stay in Shock and Cod

1701
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:00,759
Speaker 2: and those guys were able to you know, co exists

1702
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:03,560
Speaker 2: and do things on the cord to make her successful.

1703
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:07,120
Speaker 2: And it was always weird to me when people ask

1704
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:10,960
Speaker 2: me about the relationship between those two and what happened,

1705
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:15,080
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, we never saw it. It was always

1706
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:17,080
Speaker 2: something that popped up in the media and they were like,

1707
01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:20,800
Speaker 2: what come to practice and ask us like, well, Kobe said,

1708
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:24,000
Speaker 2: this is my Shack Shacks. We're like what you know?

1709
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:25,840
Speaker 2: I mean one day we got so tired of One

1710
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:27,040
Speaker 2: day they came and I said, you know what.

1711
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:29,120
Speaker 3: Let's trade them both. Be done with all this, right.

1712
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:32,640
Speaker 2: So Shack comes to me, He's like, man, you trade me.

1713
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:34,720
Speaker 2: You know, you say, it's amazing how the power of

1714
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:37,160
Speaker 2: the press. I say something like that, and they wrote

1715
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:38,680
Speaker 2: it in the press and I'm like, dude, I was

1716
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:40,240
Speaker 2: only joking when I said it. But they made it

1717
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:41,880
Speaker 2: be like, man, we should just trade both of them.

1718
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:44,160
Speaker 2: And I'm like, I was joking he wants to trade

1719
01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:46,160
Speaker 2: Shaq and Kobe. And I told Shaq said, well you're

1720
01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:47,519
Speaker 2: gonna trade it. I said, you talk so you can

1721
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:49,640
Speaker 2: play a greg Os bag. So you know, we had

1722
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:52,840
Speaker 2: that kind of relationship. But it was those guys were

1723
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:55,320
Speaker 2: so great to play. You know. I've been very fortunate

1724
01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:59,120
Speaker 2: to play with, you know, some great guys, some awesome guys.

1725
01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:02,640
Speaker 2: But to you know, to watch Kobe grow and to

1726
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:06,639
Speaker 2: a young, you know, wiry kid trying to learn the game,

1727
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:08,800
Speaker 2: trying to make his mark, to the mature guy who

1728
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:11,760
Speaker 2: can take over a game and also you know, draw

1729
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:13,840
Speaker 2: defense and get the guys the ball that he know

1730
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:16,800
Speaker 2: in the right position to score. He was just, you know,

1731
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 2: awesome guy to play the shot, you know, being so

1732
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:23,200
Speaker 2: dominant passing out of you know, I played with some

1733
01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:26,439
Speaker 2: guys that are selfish, but those two guys, they had

1734
01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:29,280
Speaker 2: a right to be selfish, but they weren't selfish. You know.

1735
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:31,840
Speaker 2: He would like to talk about Kobe being selfish. I'm like,

1736
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:35,400
Speaker 2: he was selfish to people who couldn't play. He didn't trust,

1737
01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:37,400
Speaker 2: but he wasn't selfish me because he got me the

1738
01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:38,679
Speaker 2: rock plenty of times.

1739
01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:40,639
Speaker 5: Every time, exactly.

1740
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:44,000
Speaker 2: So you know, we all been in that situation as

1741
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:45,559
Speaker 2: a player where we come down, we look to the

1742
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:48,840
Speaker 2: corner and you got Jojo who can't play like I'm

1743
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:50,600
Speaker 2: gonna take this because I believe me more than I

1744
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:51,320
Speaker 2: believe in Jojo.

1745
01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:53,759
Speaker 1: He ain't gonna hit that shot exactly.

1746
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:56,160
Speaker 2: So you know, those guys understood who they played with,

1747
01:15:56,680 --> 01:15:58,400
Speaker 2: and they brought the best in each other, and they

1748
01:15:58,400 --> 01:15:59,760
Speaker 2: brought the best in their teammates.

1749
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:04,280
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe the Lakers traded you, like, let you go,

1750
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:08,680
Speaker 1: how how did that go down? And man, it's a

1751
01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:11,519
Speaker 1: blessing because you get to them. San Antonio spurs a

1752
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:13,240
Speaker 1: blue collar team that want to win.

1753
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:16,360
Speaker 2: And for me it was it was very hurtful because

1754
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:18,760
Speaker 2: I knew the moment field got there. When you know,

1755
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:22,280
Speaker 2: when you hear your names and rumbling and rumors all

1756
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:25,599
Speaker 2: the time, you always like okay, okay, And every year

1757
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:27,080
Speaker 2: it was like, we need a new power forward.

1758
01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:28,840
Speaker 3: We just won a championship. Oh we need a new

1759
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:29,360
Speaker 3: power forward.

1760
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:31,840
Speaker 2: We just want a championship. Oh you know so, and

1761
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:35,559
Speaker 2: then once we lost to San Antonio, it was like oh,

1762
01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:38,960
Speaker 2: because Tim duncan. I mean, I'm not even gonna lie.

1763
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:41,040
Speaker 2: I feel like David Robinson when he was going dream

1764
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:43,640
Speaker 2: dream that year. He was pulling out stuff that I

1765
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:46,559
Speaker 2: hadn't seen before. He learned my little tricks and he

1766
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:48,920
Speaker 2: started facing me up. But I couldn't like hold him down.

1767
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:50,400
Speaker 2: Like we go to black so, I know, a little

1768
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:53,840
Speaker 2: tricks you learned in the post. And we lost. And

1769
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 2: after we lost to San Antonio, I was like, I'm

1770
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:57,519
Speaker 2: out of here. I knew I was out of here

1771
01:16:57,560 --> 01:17:02,000
Speaker 2: because they wanted carmelone so bad and and and you know,

1772
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:04,200
Speaker 2: you out of there when you go to the final meeting.

1773
01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:09,000
Speaker 2: You know, you have the exit meetings. Yeah, you know that,

1774
01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:11,679
Speaker 2: like the year I had that option to opt out,

1775
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:14,960
Speaker 2: I walk into excite meeting, They're all standing up, hey

1776
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:18,559
Speaker 2: ro No, good season, good season. And then the year

1777
01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:20,360
Speaker 2: there was their option, I walk in the XIT me

1778
01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:25,040
Speaker 2: I set over there, you know, as soon as as

1779
01:17:25,080 --> 01:17:27,599
Speaker 2: soon as I'm walking excite meeting, then nobody got up

1780
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:28,640
Speaker 2: and greeting me.

1781
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:30,880
Speaker 3: I said, I'm out of here, you know, And it

1782
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:31,760
Speaker 3: was just it was just one.

1783
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:35,800
Speaker 2: Of those things that you know, because and I'm like, okay,

1784
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:38,280
Speaker 2: Carmelan to me, Hell, I would take Karmelona for me,

1785
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:41,480
Speaker 2: you know, but think about it. Would I take Carmelone

1786
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:44,840
Speaker 2: to fit in with this group? No, because now Carmelons

1787
01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:46,800
Speaker 2: gets in the way of Kobe, he gets in the

1788
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:49,720
Speaker 2: way of Shock and and me I draw the defense out.

1789
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:49,840
Speaker 3: Me.

1790
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:53,280
Speaker 2: Hey, I tell everybody. I said, I'm the best decoy

1791
01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:55,800
Speaker 2: you ever gonna have on the court, because nobody's gonna

1792
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:57,400
Speaker 2: leave me at the end of the game, you know,

1793
01:17:57,479 --> 01:18:00,360
Speaker 2: so Carmelone they might lead and say, okay, you can't

1794
01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:03,519
Speaker 2: shoot it from that ring. So I knew, and it

1795
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:07,360
Speaker 2: was hurtful because when they let me go, it was

1796
01:18:07,400 --> 01:18:10,080
Speaker 2: like right when all the money had dried up, and

1797
01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:12,080
Speaker 2: so they had the options. So I was like, I

1798
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:14,960
Speaker 2: was really founding any win. I didn't know where I

1799
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:17,320
Speaker 2: was gonna go. And then somebody that san Antonio, I

1800
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:20,240
Speaker 2: don't know who it was, was gonna give that better

1801
01:18:20,280 --> 01:18:23,920
Speaker 2: an exception to dropped out. So they say, hey, you

1802
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:25,759
Speaker 2: want it. I said, yes, I take it. I signed.

1803
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:28,120
Speaker 2: I think this was also people understand I signed a

1804
01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:31,240
Speaker 2: one year deal with the Spurs. Had an awful year

1805
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:34,320
Speaker 2: because when you played for the Spurs and that system

1806
01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:37,519
Speaker 2: they had back then, if you try to play basketball,

1807
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:38,960
Speaker 2: they're gonna look at you like you're crazy, because they

1808
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:40,960
Speaker 2: were so robotic and you know from playing them that

1809
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:43,120
Speaker 2: they would they will roll by it. They would do

1810
01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:46,600
Speaker 2: a B C D and it was it was methodical.

1811
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:48,679
Speaker 2: But I wasn't that type of player. If I see

1812
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:50,479
Speaker 2: a back door, I'm cutting the back door and the

1813
01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:52,840
Speaker 2: whole team was stopped. It looks like, what are you doing?

1814
01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:56,559
Speaker 2: And so I remember the next year. The next year

1815
01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:58,920
Speaker 2: we got Michael Philly. I told Michael Field. I said, dude,

1816
01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:01,120
Speaker 2: you got a domb game. He's like what I said,

1817
01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:03,960
Speaker 2: not in a bad way, but when they say go ABC,

1818
01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:07,120
Speaker 2: go ABC, because you mess up the system. And I

1819
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:09,120
Speaker 2: had to learn that the hard way. So my second

1820
01:19:09,200 --> 01:19:13,439
Speaker 2: year I took way less money in my second year

1821
01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:16,240
Speaker 2: with Spurs because I had such a bad year and

1822
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:19,040
Speaker 2: I felt that I didn't have a Robert Riy type

1823
01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:21,439
Speaker 2: of year that I said, you know what, I'm I

1824
01:19:21,479 --> 01:19:23,439
Speaker 2: owe you a year and we wanted.

1825
01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:24,040
Speaker 3: In two thousand and five.

1826
01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:26,320
Speaker 2: I said, this is a Robert rie year and then

1827
01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:28,120
Speaker 2: they gave me a three year deal after that.

1828
01:19:28,240 --> 01:19:32,880
Speaker 1: So how was it like transitioning from from from phil

1829
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:33,400
Speaker 1: to Pop.

1830
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:38,000
Speaker 2: It was about the same, you know, you got. You know,

1831
01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:40,800
Speaker 2: Phil wouldn't really talk to you unless but Pop would

1832
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:42,559
Speaker 2: come and talk to you and take you to dinner,

1833
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:46,280
Speaker 2: buy your glass of wine. You know he loves his Italians,

1834
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:47,960
Speaker 2: buy you some gnocchi and all that kind of stuff.

1835
01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:50,240
Speaker 2: Phil was just coming like, you know, talk to you

1836
01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:52,800
Speaker 2: basketball all right, read my book.

1837
01:19:53,080 --> 01:19:55,120
Speaker 3: You know that I gave to you for a Christmas present.

1838
01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:57,280
Speaker 2: How's the family dood And then he would go, Pop

1839
01:19:57,320 --> 01:19:58,920
Speaker 2: would like, really try to get to know you.

1840
01:19:59,160 --> 01:20:01,880
Speaker 3: I remember when my already got sick and we're doing

1841
01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:02,479
Speaker 3: training camp.

1842
01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:05,800
Speaker 2: I left and went home and then I came back.

1843
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:07,680
Speaker 2: He was like, what are you doing here? I was like,

1844
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:09,800
Speaker 2: is she out of the hospital. I'm like, no, get

1845
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:11,400
Speaker 2: out of there, get out and see your face until

1846
01:20:11,439 --> 01:20:13,400
Speaker 2: she's home and she's one hundred and I was like

1847
01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:15,920
Speaker 2: what I'm like, but no, I said, she's she's she.

1848
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:18,080
Speaker 2: He sent me back home and then I don't think

1849
01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:20,519
Speaker 2: there's a coach out there that would do that. You know,

1850
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:22,040
Speaker 2: I know they bought it out now because of the

1851
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:23,920
Speaker 2: social media and aspect that things are out there and

1852
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:26,559
Speaker 2: people are going to play, you know, pacify, guard and

1853
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:29,320
Speaker 2: make and and want people to like them. But he

1854
01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:31,800
Speaker 2: did that before the social media, before anybody knew the

1855
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:34,639
Speaker 2: things he would do, and it was just a special feeling,

1856
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:34,800
Speaker 2: you know.

1857
01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:38,200
Speaker 3: But the common thing that they have is they both

1858
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:39,200
Speaker 3: loved when.

1859
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:41,240
Speaker 2: They both want you to play defense, and they both

1860
01:20:41,240 --> 01:20:44,639
Speaker 2: want you to run a system, and nobody is more

1861
01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:47,000
Speaker 2: important from the first guy down to the twelfth. You

1862
01:20:47,080 --> 01:20:49,479
Speaker 2: might have a different role, but your role is no

1863
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:51,640
Speaker 2: more important than the guy over here that's pushing you

1864
01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:53,679
Speaker 2: in practice every day, you know, like a Mark Madsen

1865
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:54,720
Speaker 2: or somebody like that.

1866
01:20:55,240 --> 01:20:58,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, but one of the guys that you played with

1867
01:20:58,160 --> 01:20:59,840
Speaker 1: from the Spurs. I got a chance to play with

1868
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 1: against him when I came out in the USA International game,

1869
01:21:04,439 --> 01:21:07,880
Speaker 1: and I feel like he's very underrated too. Tony Parker, Like,

1870
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:10,280
Speaker 1: how was to play with Tony Parker and see how

1871
01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:12,800
Speaker 1: good that he got the floater king.

1872
01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:16,479
Speaker 2: You know, Tony is probably one of the quickest guys

1873
01:21:16,479 --> 01:21:20,160
Speaker 2: I've ever played with. He's he was so fast. And

1874
01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:23,559
Speaker 2: if you watched Tony like his three my first couple

1875
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:25,679
Speaker 2: of years, there wasn't good. He couldn't shoot the three,

1876
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:28,680
Speaker 2: he didn't have a man range. But boy for him

1877
01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:31,320
Speaker 2: to be with six to two and lead the league

1878
01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:35,040
Speaker 2: and points And don't understand that he led the league

1879
01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:38,800
Speaker 2: in points of the paint and he would get in

1880
01:21:38,840 --> 01:21:40,240
Speaker 2: the paint and shoot that floater.

1881
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:42,519
Speaker 3: Man, I'm like, dude, And it wasn't like the flow

1882
01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:43,920
Speaker 3: to day with everybody.

1883
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:48,639
Speaker 2: Hold it's all pretty just really quick, and it was it.

1884
01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:52,760
Speaker 4: Was in there and he was moved with all type

1885
01:21:52,760 --> 01:21:54,120
Speaker 4: of stuff in that.

1886
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:56,599
Speaker 2: The thing that I will say about Tony though he

1887
01:21:56,720 --> 01:21:59,160
Speaker 2: was he worked hard every day on his shot. I

1888
01:21:59,200 --> 01:22:02,040
Speaker 2: mean he would be practiced two hours before practice start

1889
01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:05,120
Speaker 2: after practice working on his shot because he knew that

1890
01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:07,200
Speaker 2: was his weakness. And you have to respect him.

1891
01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:07,840
Speaker 3: But he was.

1892
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:12,519
Speaker 2: Cool guy, so amazing to play with. You know, he

1893
01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:15,400
Speaker 2: wasn't the best passer, but it was okay pass you'd

1894
01:22:15,439 --> 01:22:17,240
Speaker 2: have been a good passer. You probably could say he

1895
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:19,880
Speaker 2: could be up there with like Jason Kids and Steve Nash,

1896
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:22,799
Speaker 2: But his passing skills was the only thing that probably

1897
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:24,840
Speaker 2: kept him from being one of the elite point guards

1898
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:25,479
Speaker 2: in his league.

1899
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:27,719
Speaker 5: How was y'all looking? When? When? When? When?

1900
01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:30,800
Speaker 4: When my news showed up? And he turned out to

1901
01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:33,400
Speaker 4: be as good as he was because I can't remember

1902
01:22:33,439 --> 01:22:34,920
Speaker 4: what draft he was in, but he was like a

1903
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:38,200
Speaker 4: second round pick and basically was not supposed to be

1904
01:22:38,240 --> 01:22:41,240
Speaker 4: really anything. Stayed overseas for a couple of years. I

1905
01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:45,240
Speaker 4: remember us kind of knowing about him because we, uh

1906
01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:49,080
Speaker 4: we played with his teammate from overseas, Marco Yarick and

1907
01:22:49,160 --> 01:22:51,559
Speaker 4: him played and played together in Italy with.

1908
01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:53,920
Speaker 5: Rashard Griffith actually from Chicago.

1909
01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:56,840
Speaker 4: They had been winning like championships over overseas in the

1910
01:22:56,880 --> 01:22:59,400
Speaker 4: euro League, and so when he came to us, he

1911
01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:01,040
Speaker 4: was telling us like, Manu.

1912
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:01,400
Speaker 5: Was really good.

1913
01:23:01,479 --> 01:23:04,360
Speaker 4: Whatever whatever we did, you know, nobody knew or really

1914
01:23:04,360 --> 01:23:05,360
Speaker 4: didn't know what was going on.

1915
01:23:05,400 --> 01:23:07,360
Speaker 5: What did you you guys think when you got this?

1916
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:08,280
Speaker 5: Get a load of them.

1917
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:12,320
Speaker 2: You know, it's just funny, you you know, we American basketball.

1918
01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:15,599
Speaker 3: Players can get kind of you know, both stress at times.

1919
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:17,760
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody can play outside of us, right,

1920
01:23:18,040 --> 01:23:20,360
Speaker 2: And so I remember when it was with the Lakers

1921
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:21,920
Speaker 2: and Manu was a rookie.

1922
01:23:22,280 --> 01:23:24,760
Speaker 3: I'm like, you're thirty year old rookie. I'm like, you know,

1923
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:25,840
Speaker 3: who is this dude?

1924
01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:29,160
Speaker 2: You know? And so I remember my last game as

1925
01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:32,000
Speaker 2: a Laker, Minel killed us. You know, he was just

1926
01:23:32,160 --> 01:23:33,920
Speaker 2: he was you know, I hate to say this, was,

1927
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:36,160
Speaker 2: you know, going at Kobe. He wasn't afraid of Kobe.

1928
01:23:36,520 --> 01:23:38,439
Speaker 2: He was he was left handed. You know, left handed

1929
01:23:38,439 --> 01:23:40,720
Speaker 2: guys are hard to stop. You know, you can get

1930
01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:44,519
Speaker 2: the whole shooting those flotos, you know, doing a euro step,

1931
01:23:44,840 --> 01:23:47,360
Speaker 2: trying to dunk on people because he had incredible hops

1932
01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:50,040
Speaker 2: and he was just a beast. And I'm like, hey,

1933
01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:53,360
Speaker 2: this mynel July kid is pretty good. And then when

1934
01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:55,200
Speaker 2: I got to the Spurs and got to watch him

1935
01:23:55,200 --> 01:23:57,960
Speaker 2: every day, I'm like, he has no fear. It's not

1936
01:23:58,040 --> 01:24:00,599
Speaker 2: a shot. He don't think he can make. You know,

1937
01:24:00,640 --> 01:24:03,719
Speaker 2: he can get to the whole is his iq is

1938
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:08,920
Speaker 2: is extraordinary. And you really don't get an appreciation for

1939
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:11,720
Speaker 2: guys until you see them every day. You can sit

1940
01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:14,439
Speaker 2: back from afar and admire them, but when you see

1941
01:24:14,479 --> 01:24:16,320
Speaker 2: them up closed and you can see it for eighty

1942
01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:19,800
Speaker 2: two games and a plus, You're like, man, this guy

1943
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:22,040
Speaker 2: can go. And that's why I said about like he

1944
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:24,080
Speaker 2: had no fear. I remember one game he went to

1945
01:24:24,120 --> 01:24:26,000
Speaker 2: the hole and got kneed and the thigh and had

1946
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:28,800
Speaker 2: a bruise like this on the stop think not you know,

1947
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:29,920
Speaker 2: and for him.

1948
01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:31,920
Speaker 3: He just no rap I gotta go.

1949
01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:34,600
Speaker 2: He come out of caught lengthen on one leg and

1950
01:24:34,640 --> 01:24:36,800
Speaker 2: still play and he just he had that heart of

1951
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:39,680
Speaker 2: a champion, and he played and he was money was

1952
01:24:39,720 --> 01:24:45,080
Speaker 2: you know, like you said, underrated, But I'm not gonna.

1953
01:24:44,840 --> 01:24:49,280
Speaker 5: Lie to you. I despise guarding him. I despised you.

1954
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:52,519
Speaker 4: I'm telling you for all of everything you just said,

1955
01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:57,840
Speaker 4: because okay, he sold, he fast, but he's shifty. He's

1956
01:24:57,920 --> 01:25:00,640
Speaker 4: shifty and he always he got that year row. I'm

1957
01:25:00,680 --> 01:25:02,720
Speaker 4: gonna make my head flop if you tap me. And

1958
01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:04,720
Speaker 4: I'm the physical dude, so I'm like, all right, I'm

1959
01:25:04,720 --> 01:25:06,799
Speaker 4: gonna have to put some put some of their strength

1960
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:07,200
Speaker 4: on him.

1961
01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:09,760
Speaker 5: Like as soon as you tap him, he he all

1962
01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:12,439
Speaker 5: of this. He drawing files. I'm yelling at the rev.

1963
01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:15,760
Speaker 4: I'm frustrated, like every time, but like listen, my year

1964
01:25:16,439 --> 01:25:21,400
Speaker 4: in Phoenix, if it was no San Antonio Spurs.

1965
01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:24,320
Speaker 5: We the champs. They was out. Y'all was our Achilles heel.

1966
01:25:24,360 --> 01:25:26,960
Speaker 4: But I'm talking about oh, I hated it was like

1967
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:32,240
Speaker 4: bro one time Pop didn't play none of them. He said, Timmy,

1968
01:25:32,600 --> 01:25:36,439
Speaker 4: my New and Tony, and I think I can't remember it.

1969
01:25:36,479 --> 01:25:39,320
Speaker 4: I want to say either we lost or we barely won.

1970
01:25:39,400 --> 01:25:41,200
Speaker 4: And he was playing a mental game with us, and

1971
01:25:41,320 --> 01:25:43,479
Speaker 4: he just didn't even bring him like y'all don't play

1972
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:44,040
Speaker 4: them all Like.

1973
01:25:44,360 --> 01:25:47,559
Speaker 2: Yeh, I remember because I got booed like crazy that game.

1974
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:52,719
Speaker 2: But it's just because Minew was the first person outside

1975
01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:54,439
Speaker 2: of Sham got to do the sham guy of the

1976
01:25:54,479 --> 01:25:56,120
Speaker 2: game that I was like, oh he actually.

1977
01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:57,960
Speaker 5: Did that at work, you know he I remember you.

1978
01:25:58,520 --> 01:26:01,200
Speaker 2: Monu has some crazy It wasn't handles like it was

1979
01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:02,679
Speaker 2: crazy shifty handles.

1980
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:05,000
Speaker 3: He threw it and come this way. I'm like, I'm like,

1981
01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:06,960
Speaker 3: my new could play.

1982
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:07,160
Speaker 5: Man.

1983
01:26:07,240 --> 01:26:10,120
Speaker 3: He had no feary in his hops.

1984
01:26:10,160 --> 01:26:12,240
Speaker 2: Man. He would dunk on you the second he would

1985
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:14,360
Speaker 2: quick left hand really really fast.

1986
01:26:16,479 --> 01:26:20,519
Speaker 1: Speaking speaking of that game, that game you you checked

1987
01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:22,960
Speaker 1: Steve that you didn't try to check him that hard.

1988
01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:25,559
Speaker 1: You just try to stop the break. He just went

1989
01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:27,960
Speaker 1: that hard because I was like, man, I don't even

1990
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:29,639
Speaker 1: seem like he tried to check him. It was just

1991
01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:31,720
Speaker 1: like that hard. But he went so hard.

1992
01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:33,240
Speaker 3: Thank you.

1993
01:26:33,240 --> 01:26:35,519
Speaker 2: You know. Here's the thing but people people says, well

1994
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:37,960
Speaker 2: you push. I said, dude, when you push somebody, you

1995
01:26:38,040 --> 01:26:39,639
Speaker 2: do this. I would have did this.

1996
01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:40,559
Speaker 5: You stopped.

1997
01:26:41,479 --> 01:26:43,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, Steve Nash is my rook. If I wanted to

1998
01:26:43,560 --> 01:26:46,240
Speaker 2: hurt Steve. You'd have been on the other side because

1999
01:26:46,280 --> 01:26:48,080
Speaker 2: I could have did that. You know, I was going

2000
01:26:48,160 --> 01:26:50,400
Speaker 2: my whole intentions going to that play, was getting ready

2001
01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:52,640
Speaker 2: to try to take that charge, and I didn't get

2002
01:26:52,680 --> 01:26:54,800
Speaker 2: over in time enough. I said, oh, well, they're gonna

2003
01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:57,479
Speaker 2: call a follow me anyway, So I'm just gonna brace

2004
01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:01,519
Speaker 2: You're gonna take that, you know, because that's I'm from

2005
01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:02,080
Speaker 2: the nineties.

2006
01:27:02,080 --> 01:27:04,280
Speaker 3: That's how we played you.

2007
01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:08,519
Speaker 1: There was a whole lot of snash, did a whole

2008
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:11,040
Speaker 1: lot of the ZeLing on that side.

2009
01:27:12,160 --> 01:27:13,920
Speaker 3: I even slowed it down. I said, why should he

2010
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:14,920
Speaker 3: look back for the thing?

2011
01:27:15,080 --> 01:27:16,519
Speaker 2: For the.

2012
01:27:19,080 --> 01:27:21,679
Speaker 4: First of all, Stevie is one of the toughest dudes

2013
01:27:21,720 --> 01:27:25,040
Speaker 4: on the planet. He was if I know Stevie, He

2014
01:27:25,160 --> 01:27:27,240
Speaker 4: was like, I'm about to put a little milk on

2015
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:29,439
Speaker 4: this so we can maybe get him thrown out. See

2016
01:27:29,439 --> 01:27:30,479
Speaker 4: if we get happening.

2017
01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:33,439
Speaker 2: Yeah. And the funny part is everybody said when you

2018
01:27:33,439 --> 01:27:35,040
Speaker 2: you checked him and you and you broke and you

2019
01:27:35,080 --> 01:27:37,000
Speaker 2: broke his nose, And I said, dude, first of all,

2020
01:27:37,320 --> 01:27:39,960
Speaker 2: when he cut his nose that time that that was

2021
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:43,800
Speaker 2: in Phoenix and he bumped his with Tony Parker and

2022
01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:44,439
Speaker 2: he was tough.

2023
01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:46,479
Speaker 3: He was like trying to play in half the skin

2024
01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:47,599
Speaker 3: of his nose on the other side.

2025
01:27:48,120 --> 01:27:50,519
Speaker 1: I've seen him kind of switch his nose back on

2026
01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:51,160
Speaker 1: the on TV.

2027
01:27:51,240 --> 01:27:55,519
Speaker 4: Steve one of the toughest, toughest dudes I've ever played with.

2028
01:27:55,680 --> 01:27:56,080
Speaker 5: Period.

2029
01:27:56,439 --> 01:27:57,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was Steven.

2030
01:27:57,520 --> 01:27:59,000
Speaker 2: I had a lot of funny you know, Stephen, I

2031
01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:02,040
Speaker 2: was rookies together Phoenix, but he he was my rookie Phoenix,

2032
01:28:02,120 --> 01:28:03,080
Speaker 2: and we.

2033
01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:04,559
Speaker 3: Used to we used to be playing.

2034
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:06,280
Speaker 2: We used to play one on one that lower gym

2035
01:28:06,360 --> 01:28:08,720
Speaker 2: and Phoenix before game. We'd come to the game and

2036
01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:10,600
Speaker 2: be dog tied because we knew we weren't going in

2037
01:28:10,640 --> 01:28:12,600
Speaker 2: the game, because we know we're gonna sell on the

2038
01:28:12,600 --> 01:28:13,360
Speaker 2: bench and just chill.

2039
01:28:13,439 --> 01:28:15,639
Speaker 3: His rookie year. I'm like you, I mean one game

2040
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:16,800
Speaker 3: they put us in a game. We looked at each

2041
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:17,760
Speaker 3: other like what uh.

2042
01:28:19,160 --> 01:28:22,240
Speaker 2: We just we practiced pick and roll, but we're doing

2043
01:28:22,280 --> 01:28:23,320
Speaker 2: the lord jit without nobody.

2044
01:28:23,360 --> 01:28:25,000
Speaker 3: Everybody like, that's not the play, but this is our play.

2045
01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:26,080
Speaker 3: Get out of the way.

2046
01:28:27,439 --> 01:28:31,160
Speaker 1: You have big shots from man from the nineties to

2047
01:28:31,439 --> 01:28:35,519
Speaker 1: two thousands, like big shots sometimes my Western Conference Finals

2048
01:28:35,560 --> 01:28:40,760
Speaker 1: against SuperSonics, like against the Rockets against Sacramento out of

2049
01:28:40,840 --> 01:28:43,719
Speaker 1: all them big shots you had, which one the ones

2050
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:45,519
Speaker 1: that stick out the most to you? That was like

2051
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:47,040
Speaker 1: the ones for.

2052
01:28:47,080 --> 01:28:49,880
Speaker 5: You big shot, Bob's favorite big shot.

2053
01:28:50,720 --> 01:28:54,599
Speaker 2: I think for me the first one is not number one,

2054
01:28:54,640 --> 01:28:56,439
Speaker 2: but the first one is like you said against when

2055
01:28:56,479 --> 01:28:58,719
Speaker 2: I was with the Rockets, when we were playing Seattle

2056
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:02,280
Speaker 2: and the game Evan and I hit a jumper from

2057
01:29:02,360 --> 01:29:04,519
Speaker 2: the corner to send It's an ot. You know that

2058
01:29:04,520 --> 01:29:07,080
Speaker 2: shot doesn't get talked about me on a personal note.

2059
01:29:07,280 --> 01:29:09,800
Speaker 2: You know it's a confidence booster, and it had to

2060
01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:12,240
Speaker 2: go along with that be believing in myself, you know,

2061
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:14,519
Speaker 2: getting trade and doing all this kind of stuff. But

2062
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:16,920
Speaker 2: then at the end you have to believe in yourself

2063
01:29:16,920 --> 01:29:19,360
Speaker 2: that nobody else will and give me confidence. And then

2064
01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:22,519
Speaker 2: you know, for me didn't go from that. Playing San

2065
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:26,600
Speaker 2: Antonio and the Western Conference finals and I'm like, oh,

2066
01:29:26,720 --> 01:29:29,439
Speaker 2: for six in a game, I'm over right, And you

2067
01:29:29,439 --> 01:29:31,320
Speaker 2: know Dennis Robbins was leaving me because I was not.

2068
01:29:31,439 --> 01:29:33,519
Speaker 2: I wasn't knocking any shots down into the game. You

2069
01:29:33,560 --> 01:29:35,679
Speaker 2: got to focus in, you know, for me to punk

2070
01:29:35,720 --> 01:29:37,400
Speaker 2: fake the ball to Sam in the corner, and Sam

2071
01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:39,200
Speaker 2: was like, man, I wanted to be the big start

2072
01:29:39,240 --> 01:29:41,479
Speaker 2: this game. I didn't taking a dribble in and knocking

2073
01:29:41,560 --> 01:29:44,439
Speaker 2: down that shot. And when that game against San Antonio.

2074
01:29:44,560 --> 01:29:45,719
Speaker 3: All conference boosters.

2075
01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:48,280
Speaker 2: To get to my favorite of all time was, you know,

2076
01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:53,200
Speaker 2: game game four against the West Western Conference Championship against

2077
01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:56,160
Speaker 2: the Sacramento Kings. You know, growing up a Laker fan,

2078
01:29:56,760 --> 01:29:59,280
Speaker 2: to do that and in front of your fans, you know,

2079
01:29:59,320 --> 01:30:01,400
Speaker 2: because all those other shots were done on the road,

2080
01:30:02,200 --> 01:30:03,840
Speaker 2: you know, to do it in front of your fans.

2081
01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:06,320
Speaker 2: And for me, you know, walk in the Staples centers.

2082
01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:09,759
Speaker 2: They didn't chet my name that often. It was abe shot,

2083
01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:12,040
Speaker 2: you know. And then not be able to knock down

2084
01:30:12,080 --> 01:30:15,120
Speaker 2: that three in a in a in a pivotal game,

2085
01:30:15,320 --> 01:30:17,479
Speaker 2: you know that game, you know, we lose that game,

2086
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:18,920
Speaker 2: we go down three to one. We don't know what

2087
01:30:18,960 --> 01:30:21,800
Speaker 2: happened right out of game up to too and they

2088
01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:24,120
Speaker 2: had those fans chant my name. You know. That's the

2089
01:30:24,160 --> 01:30:27,200
Speaker 2: only shot that I can see putting on the replay

2090
01:30:27,439 --> 01:30:29,080
Speaker 2: that gives me goosebumps just watching it.

2091
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:31,720
Speaker 3: It's not it's not the actual shot.

2092
01:30:31,960 --> 01:30:35,960
Speaker 2: It's the camera shot from overhead and when all the

2093
01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:44,120
Speaker 2: fans jump up and boy right and Carlos, it gives

2094
01:30:44,200 --> 01:30:47,599
Speaker 2: me goosebumps because to be down that many points and

2095
01:30:47,640 --> 01:30:50,439
Speaker 2: to do that yet at home in a playoff game.

2096
01:30:51,160 --> 01:30:53,200
Speaker 3: You know that after the number one shot.

2097
01:30:55,280 --> 01:30:57,880
Speaker 1: You saying that. That's one of my favorite things about

2098
01:30:57,960 --> 01:31:01,360
Speaker 1: about that moment and about that celebration. The ball boys

2099
01:31:01,400 --> 01:31:03,519
Speaker 1: were celebrating like they play on the team.

2100
01:31:03,960 --> 01:31:04,519
Speaker 5: They in the.

2101
01:31:04,520 --> 01:31:08,719
Speaker 1: Middle, jumping up, yell like that was. That was a live,

2102
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:09,920
Speaker 1: live moments.

2103
01:31:10,080 --> 01:31:10,240
Speaker 5: You know.

2104
01:31:10,720 --> 01:31:14,559
Speaker 2: Funny story about that shot. We were losing and Mark

2105
01:31:14,640 --> 01:31:17,479
Speaker 2: Masson was like, Wow, we're gonna lose this game. I

2106
01:31:18,080 --> 01:31:19,680
Speaker 2: got this, all right, We're gonna win this game. I

2107
01:31:19,720 --> 01:31:22,439
Speaker 2: got this. And after I shot it and turned around,

2108
01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:24,840
Speaker 2: all I could see was Mark saying, you said we

2109
01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:25,479
Speaker 2: were gonna win.

2110
01:31:25,800 --> 01:31:26,960
Speaker 3: You said we were gonna win.

2111
01:31:28,200 --> 01:31:29,960
Speaker 2: And that's just the part of you know, trying to

2112
01:31:29,960 --> 01:31:31,200
Speaker 2: get the conference in the young fella.

2113
01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:31,400
Speaker 5: You know.

2114
01:31:31,479 --> 01:31:33,439
Speaker 3: So if he got in the game, which he knew.

2115
01:31:33,240 --> 01:31:36,599
Speaker 2: He wasn't, he'd have some conference. We're still gonna win.

2116
01:31:37,040 --> 01:31:40,040
Speaker 1: And Mark mass one of the best guys I ever met.

2117
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:43,400
Speaker 5: Mark a good dude.

2118
01:31:43,720 --> 01:31:45,559
Speaker 2: And it's funny to go back to my you know,

2119
01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:48,519
Speaker 2: other top five is you know the shot shot against

2120
01:31:49,200 --> 01:31:50,760
Speaker 2: Detroit when Rashid leaves me.

2121
01:31:51,520 --> 01:31:54,559
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just saw that the other day on the

2122
01:31:54,640 --> 01:31:55,200
Speaker 5: road again.

2123
01:31:55,240 --> 01:31:59,200
Speaker 2: You know, I mean, I love beating people on the road.

2124
01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:01,479
Speaker 2: And I don't have many pictures in my home, but

2125
01:32:01,520 --> 01:32:03,240
Speaker 2: that's one of the pictures I have in my home

2126
01:32:03,560 --> 01:32:07,200
Speaker 2: of that shot because I love watching the facial expressions

2127
01:32:07,200 --> 01:32:08,400
Speaker 2: of everybody in the picture.

2128
01:32:08,760 --> 01:32:11,439
Speaker 3: You got the you know, you got all these shots

2129
01:32:11,439 --> 01:32:12,080
Speaker 3: and it's it is.

2130
01:32:12,040 --> 01:32:14,960
Speaker 2: It's just weird. And and to do that in a

2131
01:32:15,040 --> 01:32:18,080
Speaker 2: situation like that where we needed game five, went up

2132
01:32:18,120 --> 01:32:21,639
Speaker 2: three to two in that series, and on the road,

2133
01:32:21,960 --> 01:32:24,720
Speaker 2: and you know from playing that team Detroit, they.

2134
01:32:24,640 --> 01:32:26,760
Speaker 3: Ain't want no pup for she.

2135
01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:31,960
Speaker 2: We're either yes for she. One of the most underrated

2136
01:32:31,960 --> 01:32:34,200
Speaker 2: players to play this game because they always look.

2137
01:32:34,120 --> 01:32:36,559
Speaker 3: At his text, but that dude could play. And for

2138
01:32:36,640 --> 01:32:37,639
Speaker 3: him to leave me like.

2139
01:32:37,560 --> 01:32:42,960
Speaker 2: That, Yes, that shot was great because that whole fourth

2140
01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:45,200
Speaker 2: quarter for me was amazing. Man. For me to you know,

2141
01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:48,679
Speaker 2: have zero points at halftime, talk to myself during halftime,

2142
01:32:48,720 --> 01:32:50,680
Speaker 2: Bruce Boyne look at me like I'm crazy, and then

2143
01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:52,840
Speaker 2: go out there and just light them up like that,

2144
01:32:53,320 --> 01:32:55,240
Speaker 2: and to light them up with no plays call for me.

2145
01:32:55,320 --> 01:32:57,519
Speaker 2: You know all those shots I took with shots I

2146
01:32:57,600 --> 01:32:59,120
Speaker 2: just said, efort, you know I'm going to shoot it

2147
01:32:59,120 --> 01:33:02,800
Speaker 2: because the poppy and I always want to go to Popmactually, dude,

2148
01:33:02,840 --> 01:33:04,920
Speaker 2: you know I was hot. Why you're running the place?

2149
01:33:05,360 --> 01:33:07,400
Speaker 2: He never ran any place. I just you look at

2150
01:33:07,439 --> 01:33:10,800
Speaker 2: every shot I took. It was shots. I really broke

2151
01:33:10,840 --> 01:33:12,439
Speaker 2: the offense and just took the shot because I was

2152
01:33:12,439 --> 01:33:13,120
Speaker 2: feeling that good.

2153
01:33:14,280 --> 01:33:18,200
Speaker 1: You know, everybody was confident in it. Definitely was when

2154
01:33:18,200 --> 01:33:20,320
Speaker 1: you shoot, when you when you build your wrapped up

2155
01:33:20,360 --> 01:33:22,320
Speaker 1: like that. Like, man, That's why I feel like your

2156
01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:26,600
Speaker 1: your career is so unique. It's it's so much for

2157
01:33:26,680 --> 01:33:30,160
Speaker 1: the history. They can't say nothing about this NBA without

2158
01:33:30,240 --> 01:33:32,880
Speaker 1: saying Robert Orry's career and what you then did and

2159
01:33:32,920 --> 01:33:34,599
Speaker 1: the shots that you do to make man, it's it's

2160
01:33:34,640 --> 01:33:36,800
Speaker 1: definitely a blessing that he gets chance to witness some

2161
01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:38,920
Speaker 1: of the stuff you can done. One of the things

2162
01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:41,519
Speaker 1: I want to talk about that they don't talk about.

2163
01:33:41,640 --> 01:33:42,920
Speaker 1: They don't talk about enough.

2164
01:33:43,000 --> 01:33:43,280
Speaker 3: O G.

2165
01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:47,000
Speaker 1: It's how you used to dunk on motherfuckers all the time.

2166
01:33:47,880 --> 01:33:51,840
Speaker 1: I remember you used to dumps all the time. Like,

2167
01:33:52,280 --> 01:33:54,559
Speaker 1: tell me some of your favorite dunk on some of

2168
01:33:54,600 --> 01:33:57,320
Speaker 1: your favorite bodies. You done call when you done dunked

2169
01:33:57,360 --> 01:33:58,439
Speaker 1: on a couple of people.

2170
01:33:58,600 --> 01:34:01,519
Speaker 2: I think one of my favor favorites is uh, because

2171
01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:03,679
Speaker 2: I just saw it the other day was Game seven.

2172
01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:05,519
Speaker 3: Uh, in the finals.

2173
01:34:05,560 --> 01:34:07,439
Speaker 2: I dunked on Patrick for the first two points in

2174
01:34:07,479 --> 01:34:11,040
Speaker 2: Game seven and and I didn't notice it. To my son,

2175
01:34:11,120 --> 01:34:13,360
Speaker 2: Christian was like, Dad, you kind of knocked him over.

2176
01:34:13,479 --> 01:34:20,719
Speaker 2: I dunked on Pat kind of stumbled. And then also

2177
01:34:20,760 --> 01:34:23,719
Speaker 2: in that series, burn through me analute from out of bounds.

2178
01:34:23,800 --> 01:34:26,000
Speaker 2: And it was when I set plays by, I faked

2179
01:34:26,080 --> 01:34:28,320
Speaker 2: like I'm coming off with dream and come back from

2180
01:34:28,320 --> 01:34:31,559
Speaker 2: the alley by the bounds, and I dunked that on Oakley,

2181
01:34:32,040 --> 01:34:33,799
Speaker 2: and I just like, oh and open.

2182
01:34:33,920 --> 01:34:36,120
Speaker 3: I realized that Oakley, dude, I better be yelling at

2183
01:34:36,160 --> 01:34:40,400
Speaker 3: his face. You know that. That was one.

2184
01:34:40,439 --> 01:34:44,160
Speaker 2: But another one was we were playing the Portland Trail

2185
01:34:44,200 --> 01:34:48,839
Speaker 2: Blazers and god, I can't think of the guy's name, Clifford.

2186
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:52,040
Speaker 2: Clifford Robinson went for the steal and I got it,

2187
01:34:52,360 --> 01:34:55,040
Speaker 2: and then I took a bounce to the goal, and

2188
01:34:56,040 --> 01:34:56,599
Speaker 2: I can't.

2189
01:34:56,400 --> 01:34:58,400
Speaker 3: Think of the guy that shock hit hit it. I

2190
01:34:58,439 --> 01:34:59,800
Speaker 3: can't think he jumped.

2191
01:35:01,040 --> 01:35:01,320
Speaker 5: You know.

2192
01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:04,080
Speaker 3: The other guy he played with the Knicks too, had

2193
01:35:04,120 --> 01:35:05,000
Speaker 3: a white.

2194
01:35:04,760 --> 01:35:07,080
Speaker 5: Guy, blind, big Dudley. Dudley.

2195
01:35:07,600 --> 01:35:10,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, yeah, so I took a balance and

2196
01:35:10,960 --> 01:35:12,400
Speaker 2: dunked on him backwards.

2197
01:35:12,040 --> 01:35:15,599
Speaker 1: And I don't remember that.

2198
01:35:16,120 --> 01:35:20,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. And one of my other favorites is I remember

2199
01:35:20,360 --> 01:35:22,880
Speaker 2: Devin George loved his dumk. We were in Minnesota. I

2200
01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:26,559
Speaker 2: drove baseline and kind of shot it and I thought

2201
01:35:26,600 --> 01:35:29,120
Speaker 2: I was gonna miss it, and so I followed it

2202
01:35:29,200 --> 01:35:32,000
Speaker 2: and I got my own tip dunk on like on

2203
01:35:32,760 --> 01:35:39,920
Speaker 2: my French Sean Rooks, is you know so on him?

2204
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:42,439
Speaker 3: Yeah? So it was I had. I had a lot

2205
01:35:42,479 --> 01:35:43,160
Speaker 3: of good dunks.

2206
01:35:43,439 --> 01:35:45,240
Speaker 1: Know, you got a lot of good but people don't

2207
01:35:45,240 --> 01:35:45,479
Speaker 1: know that.

2208
01:35:45,800 --> 01:35:49,120
Speaker 5: Remember you got bodies.

2209
01:35:50,439 --> 01:35:52,920
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. I can't forget this. This is this

2210
01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:55,000
Speaker 2: is one of my favorites too. I forgot about this.

2211
01:35:55,120 --> 01:35:57,880
Speaker 2: You know, as you get older, your kids get to

2212
01:35:58,000 --> 01:36:01,479
Speaker 2: watch you play basketball. Right, And Cameron was like that

2213
01:36:01,760 --> 01:36:04,479
Speaker 2: you never dunk anymore? And I said what I said,

2214
01:36:04,479 --> 01:36:06,600
Speaker 2: I dunk. He says, I've never seen it. So we

2215
01:36:06,720 --> 01:36:09,040
Speaker 2: playing the Pistons in the Finals in that game five.

2216
01:36:09,160 --> 01:36:12,320
Speaker 2: You know I'm hot, So I take that drivel and

2217
01:36:12,360 --> 01:36:14,720
Speaker 2: I go and I do the dunk while dunk on rip. Right,

2218
01:36:14,800 --> 01:36:16,800
Speaker 2: I barely get this, so I'm kind of ass dunk

2219
01:36:16,840 --> 01:36:19,360
Speaker 2: because I dunk on Rip and after the game, I'm like,

2220
01:36:19,600 --> 01:36:21,560
Speaker 2: you know, my dad and camera was there and I'm like,

2221
01:36:21,760 --> 01:36:24,160
Speaker 2: you know, I was like, camera, did you see daddy dunk?

2222
01:36:24,240 --> 01:36:25,559
Speaker 2: He's like, what dunk?

2223
01:36:25,920 --> 01:36:28,439
Speaker 3: I'm like, the really good dunk I just got. He's

2224
01:36:28,479 --> 01:36:30,519
Speaker 3: like you no, I looked at my dad's We were

2225
01:36:30,560 --> 01:36:36,040
Speaker 3: in the bathroom. So is my son missing?

2226
01:36:36,040 --> 01:36:38,280
Speaker 2: It was funny because you know, I have the guy,

2227
01:36:38,320 --> 01:36:42,559
Speaker 2: that guy named Opie. Opie he does these paintings, and

2228
01:36:42,640 --> 01:36:46,800
Speaker 2: I have a painting for each championship, and in that championship,

2229
01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:49,840
Speaker 2: in each painting does these things called ghosting. He has

2230
01:36:49,880 --> 01:36:52,439
Speaker 2: the ghosting of the shot I made against Sacramento. He

2231
01:36:52,520 --> 01:36:54,799
Speaker 2: has that dunk that he ghosted in one of my paintings.

2232
01:36:54,800 --> 01:36:57,639
Speaker 2: So you know, I think for me, that's like one

2233
01:36:57,640 --> 01:37:01,160
Speaker 2: of my top two dunks of all time because I

2234
01:37:01,200 --> 01:37:02,920
Speaker 2: was able to do it in the finals and at

2235
01:37:03,040 --> 01:37:08,519
Speaker 2: old age, you know, especially when you get past thirty five,

2236
01:37:08,560 --> 01:37:09,519
Speaker 2: you still don't.

2237
01:37:10,200 --> 01:37:13,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, straight up, right up, tell me, tell me, tell

2238
01:37:13,280 --> 01:37:15,640
Speaker 4: me how you got started with your AAU program and

2239
01:37:16,120 --> 01:37:18,479
Speaker 4: coaching and young kids. Are you're talking about mentoring and

2240
01:37:18,560 --> 01:37:21,040
Speaker 4: young kids and then you like, how did how did

2241
01:37:21,439 --> 01:37:26,240
Speaker 4: Robert or shot Bob Get started into coaching in the youth.

2242
01:37:26,240 --> 01:37:30,439
Speaker 2: Play My current wife, our son was playing on this team, right,

2243
01:37:30,880 --> 01:37:34,439
Speaker 2: and I would watch the team. I'm like, they just playing.

2244
01:37:34,520 --> 01:37:36,920
Speaker 2: They don't have any continuity what they're doing. They're a

2245
01:37:36,960 --> 01:37:39,320
Speaker 2: good team, right. So I started, you know, taking a

2246
01:37:39,360 --> 01:37:42,760
Speaker 2: couple of guys on the team and go and just

2247
01:37:42,760 --> 01:37:45,120
Speaker 2: work work on some skills. Right, And next thing, you know,

2248
01:37:45,560 --> 01:37:47,400
Speaker 2: a couple of other players would come like I didn't

2249
01:37:47,360 --> 01:37:49,720
Speaker 2: invite y'all. I'm like, oh, we told them that. And

2250
01:37:49,760 --> 01:37:51,840
Speaker 2: then next day, you know, the whole team is I'm

2251
01:37:51,880 --> 01:37:55,080
Speaker 2: running practice with the whole team, like hold on. And

2252
01:37:55,240 --> 01:37:57,120
Speaker 2: you know, then the parents say, oh, you know, why

2253
01:37:57,160 --> 01:37:59,639
Speaker 2: don't you just take over the team, And I'm like, listen,

2254
01:38:00,240 --> 01:38:03,400
Speaker 2: I'm a different kind of dude. I'm gonna Hey, I'm

2255
01:38:03,400 --> 01:38:05,200
Speaker 2: gonna say some things that they might not want to hear.

2256
01:38:05,320 --> 01:38:06,960
Speaker 2: But they all listen to rap music that they don't

2257
01:38:06,960 --> 01:38:10,040
Speaker 2: hear worse, and so and I just you know, I

2258
01:38:10,080 --> 01:38:11,160
Speaker 2: have some great kids.

2259
01:38:11,200 --> 01:38:11,360
Speaker 3: Man.

2260
01:38:11,439 --> 01:38:13,280
Speaker 2: They I could tell them to run through a wall,

2261
01:38:13,360 --> 01:38:15,160
Speaker 2: they'll run the wall. And they were and the thing

2262
01:38:15,200 --> 01:38:17,679
Speaker 2: I like best about him they were smart. They were smart.

2263
01:38:18,120 --> 01:38:19,920
Speaker 2: And I remember, I have this one gallon a.

2264
01:38:19,960 --> 01:38:20,759
Speaker 3: Team named Roman.

2265
01:38:20,840 --> 01:38:23,479
Speaker 2: You know, I watched him go from being scared of

2266
01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:25,439
Speaker 2: contact to tell them I mean one thing, he got

2267
01:38:25,479 --> 01:38:27,519
Speaker 2: hit the nose and he like, I'm not playing myself.

2268
01:38:27,560 --> 01:38:28,920
Speaker 3: Do is it still hurt?

2269
01:38:29,120 --> 01:38:29,400
Speaker 5: Like no?

2270
01:38:29,720 --> 01:38:32,080
Speaker 2: I said, well you find I said, pain only lasts

2271
01:38:32,080 --> 01:38:33,920
Speaker 2: for a moment. But if you get this win that's

2272
01:38:33,920 --> 01:38:36,360
Speaker 2: gonna make it's gonna have that pain and you're gonna

2273
01:38:36,360 --> 01:38:38,320
Speaker 2: feel better for a lot longer. Right, And so you know,

2274
01:38:38,720 --> 01:38:41,479
Speaker 2: to see his maturation as a player and being building

2275
01:38:41,520 --> 01:38:44,519
Speaker 2: that toughness up, you know, and then watching my son now,

2276
01:38:44,560 --> 01:38:47,000
Speaker 2: people laugh at me because my son on the team

2277
01:38:47,040 --> 01:38:48,320
Speaker 2: is the best player. And I'm not saying that because

2278
01:38:48,320 --> 01:38:50,040
Speaker 2: it's my son. He's the best player. I ran no

2279
01:38:50,040 --> 01:38:51,680
Speaker 2: place for him. I said, do you gotta figure out?

2280
01:38:52,240 --> 01:38:54,280
Speaker 2: I said, you got to talk to your teammates and

2281
01:38:54,320 --> 01:38:56,880
Speaker 2: tell them what what do you see on the court.

2282
01:38:57,200 --> 01:38:59,280
Speaker 2: I try to make him think the game. I say,

2283
01:38:59,600 --> 01:39:02,160
Speaker 2: do you have mismatching the post? We'll go to the post,

2284
01:39:02,240 --> 01:39:04,360
Speaker 2: I said, do you have a mismatch bringing it down? Yes?

2285
01:39:04,640 --> 01:39:06,800
Speaker 2: I said, And so I try to do that with

2286
01:39:06,880 --> 01:39:08,679
Speaker 2: all the teams. And I said, get to the position

2287
01:39:09,200 --> 01:39:12,200
Speaker 2: where you think it's your strongest position. Then you know

2288
01:39:12,280 --> 01:39:13,880
Speaker 2: we're gonna figure it out to make you strong. But

2289
01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:14,320
Speaker 2: it's fun.

2290
01:39:14,320 --> 01:39:14,479
Speaker 5: Man.

2291
01:39:14,520 --> 01:39:16,880
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed coaching those guys, and I hate COVID

2292
01:39:16,960 --> 01:39:20,200
Speaker 2: nineteen happened. Now we can't get jail. We can't do nothing,

2293
01:39:20,240 --> 01:39:24,519
Speaker 2: because it's always so satisfying when you see the growth

2294
01:39:24,520 --> 01:39:26,400
Speaker 2: of a player and know that you had a hand

2295
01:39:26,400 --> 01:39:27,960
Speaker 2: in that. You know, a lot of those guys are

2296
01:39:28,120 --> 01:39:30,400
Speaker 2: not gonna go to college. But the fact that I

2297
01:39:30,439 --> 01:39:33,360
Speaker 2: had this one guy on a team. His name is

2298
01:39:33,400 --> 01:39:36,680
Speaker 2: d and he's never gonna play high school ball, but

2299
01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:38,840
Speaker 2: I used to make him sit by me because the

2300
01:39:38,920 --> 01:39:42,120
Speaker 2: kid was smart. He's like, coach, they're double teaming over here,

2301
01:39:42,160 --> 01:39:43,880
Speaker 2: over that, and I would tell us he might not

2302
01:39:43,920 --> 01:39:46,240
Speaker 2: be able to play this game, but you can coach

2303
01:39:46,280 --> 01:39:48,759
Speaker 2: this game. Make sure you put yourself in a position

2304
01:39:49,240 --> 01:39:51,879
Speaker 2: to do it, because he will literally tell me stuff

2305
01:39:52,200 --> 01:39:53,840
Speaker 2: as a twelve year old, and I'm like, dude, some

2306
01:39:53,880 --> 01:39:55,880
Speaker 2: people have that, they have that smarts about it. You

2307
01:39:55,960 --> 01:39:59,679
Speaker 2: know you can't play it, coach, and it's just great.

2308
01:40:00,200 --> 01:40:02,160
Speaker 2: And it's always fun to go to these tournaments and

2309
01:40:02,479 --> 01:40:05,720
Speaker 2: watch other guys play and learn from them and then say, hey,

2310
01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:08,040
Speaker 2: you saw we got our butts kicked what do I

2311
01:40:08,120 --> 01:40:09,640
Speaker 2: used to make and say, what do you think we

2312
01:40:09,680 --> 01:40:11,240
Speaker 2: need to work on when we get home, And these

2313
01:40:11,280 --> 01:40:13,479
Speaker 2: guys said, well, coach, we need to get on every time.

2314
01:40:13,520 --> 01:40:14,240
Speaker 3: We need to be tougher.

2315
01:40:14,280 --> 01:40:14,479
Speaker 1: Coach.

2316
01:40:14,520 --> 01:40:16,519
Speaker 2: You know, we need to play better defense. We got

2317
01:40:16,520 --> 01:40:19,160
Speaker 2: to pick up you know, more full coach basketball, and

2318
01:40:19,240 --> 01:40:21,840
Speaker 2: we try. We have a conversation before every practice. You know,

2319
01:40:21,840 --> 01:40:23,280
Speaker 2: the way money go into this, roll the ball. We're

2320
01:40:23,280 --> 01:40:25,200
Speaker 2: gonna work on this. I want to see what their

2321
01:40:25,200 --> 01:40:27,400
Speaker 2: mental is. I want to see what they're thinking, because

2322
01:40:27,880 --> 01:40:29,560
Speaker 2: that's one of the things I love about Rudy T

2323
01:40:30,360 --> 01:40:32,360
Speaker 2: as a coach. When you have you know, how you

2324
01:40:32,360 --> 01:40:33,880
Speaker 2: have the time out now where the coaches to go

2325
01:40:33,880 --> 01:40:36,040
Speaker 2: out there and tudle talk to other coaches and come

2326
01:40:36,080 --> 01:40:38,280
Speaker 2: back and give you a game plan. Rudy T would

2327
01:40:38,320 --> 01:40:40,800
Speaker 2: talk to him and come to us say, hey, what

2328
01:40:40,840 --> 01:40:42,360
Speaker 2: are you guys hearing out there? What do you want

2329
01:40:42,360 --> 01:40:44,040
Speaker 2: to do? What do you feel comfortable with? And then

2330
01:40:44,080 --> 01:40:46,280
Speaker 2: we would tell them and we'll go from there. And

2331
01:40:46,280 --> 01:40:47,840
Speaker 2: that's the kind of coach. You know, if I have

2332
01:40:47,880 --> 01:40:50,759
Speaker 2: a coach, that's why because the players have a feel

2333
01:40:50,800 --> 01:40:52,240
Speaker 2: for what's going on the court.

2334
01:40:52,800 --> 01:40:56,439
Speaker 1: Start bench, cut you got to start one. You gotta

2335
01:40:56,520 --> 01:40:58,200
Speaker 1: bench one, you gotta cut one.

2336
01:40:58,720 --> 01:41:01,120
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, start.

2337
01:41:00,880 --> 01:41:07,519
Speaker 1: Bench cut Tracy McGrady, Dominique Wilkins, Scottie Pippen.

2338
01:41:08,800 --> 01:41:11,240
Speaker 2: If I cut Tracy, everybody gonna say that he and

2339
01:41:11,880 --> 01:41:13,960
Speaker 2: I have a beat, because people that think that will

2340
01:41:13,960 --> 01:41:15,400
Speaker 2: happen one time when I said you got to get

2341
01:41:15,400 --> 01:41:17,880
Speaker 2: your own so I can't cut him, somebody half him

2342
01:41:17,960 --> 01:41:21,120
Speaker 2: come off the bench. And because Scotty thinks the bulls

2343
01:41:21,120 --> 01:41:31,920
Speaker 2: would a beat as I'm cutting his ass.

2344
01:41:34,840 --> 01:41:38,840
Speaker 1: How does it feel like, like you you played in

2345
01:41:38,880 --> 01:41:42,360
Speaker 1: this league and you didn't win the scoring titles. You

2346
01:41:42,439 --> 01:41:44,880
Speaker 1: won like top ten scoring when you was playing, but

2347
01:41:45,439 --> 01:41:48,759
Speaker 1: you one of the most clutch players ever to play

2348
01:41:48,760 --> 01:41:51,439
Speaker 1: this game for people to recognize you as like, you

2349
01:41:51,479 --> 01:41:55,880
Speaker 1: know when you look at that clutch category, Kobe's, Lebron's,

2350
01:41:56,080 --> 01:41:58,959
Speaker 1: Like they're saying, all these people who won scoring titles

2351
01:41:58,960 --> 01:42:01,519
Speaker 1: and stuff, but out of all them people, that one

2352
01:42:01,560 --> 01:42:04,920
Speaker 1: person that wouldn't win and all the scoring titles is

2353
01:42:05,000 --> 01:42:07,559
Speaker 1: Robert Horry. Like, how does it feel to be mentioned

2354
01:42:07,560 --> 01:42:08,280
Speaker 1: with them people?

2355
01:42:08,520 --> 01:42:12,200
Speaker 2: Oh? Man, it feels great because you know, I love

2356
01:42:12,240 --> 01:42:15,760
Speaker 2: the fact that that is mentioned because people who know

2357
01:42:15,880 --> 01:42:18,479
Speaker 2: basketball respects that about me. You know, you got those

2358
01:42:18,560 --> 01:42:22,240
Speaker 2: these people who have this platform through social media. Now

2359
01:42:22,600 --> 01:42:24,880
Speaker 2: he was a bum. I said, if I'm a bum,

2360
01:42:24,880 --> 01:42:26,479
Speaker 2: what does that make you? Because you never made the

2361
01:42:26,560 --> 01:42:30,080
Speaker 2: NBA right, So they're like, oh, he never averaged over

2362
01:42:30,240 --> 01:42:34,080
Speaker 2: nine points, like you know, I did average over nine points.

2363
01:42:34,080 --> 01:42:36,080
Speaker 3: It got to appointment careerway kind of doing those down.

2364
01:42:36,080 --> 01:42:39,519
Speaker 2: But that's but for me to know that, you know,

2365
01:42:39,840 --> 01:42:43,240
Speaker 2: my peers and people who know basketball, you know.

2366
01:42:44,160 --> 01:42:46,559
Speaker 3: Call me clutch and call me big shot. Now.

2367
01:42:46,880 --> 01:42:48,800
Speaker 2: You know, I always tell people, once you get a

2368
01:42:48,920 --> 01:42:51,800
Speaker 2: nickname and it's a positive name, you know, you kind

2369
01:42:51,800 --> 01:42:53,439
Speaker 2: of made you know, you know, you can't do something

2370
01:42:53,680 --> 01:42:59,559
Speaker 2: your market. For me, I love it because the fact

2371
01:42:59,600 --> 01:43:01,599
Speaker 2: that I love when I go to Vegas, I get

2372
01:43:01,600 --> 01:43:04,479
Speaker 2: to drink for free because everybody every time running somebody, Yo, man,

2373
01:43:04,520 --> 01:43:15,880
Speaker 2: you got me so much money. So it's funny that man.

2374
01:43:16,160 --> 01:43:19,320
Speaker 2: For me, I look back at my career and know that,

2375
01:43:19,360 --> 01:43:19,680
Speaker 2: you know, I.

2376
01:43:19,720 --> 01:43:20,280
Speaker 3: Left my mark.

2377
01:43:20,400 --> 01:43:22,280
Speaker 2: It might not be a m v P. Marke, that

2378
01:43:22,400 --> 01:43:26,720
Speaker 2: might not be any personal goals that I had set

2379
01:43:26,760 --> 01:43:28,840
Speaker 2: for myself when first, but I left the mark that

2380
01:43:28,880 --> 01:43:31,160
Speaker 2: I never thought I would leave, you know, being considered

2381
01:43:31,200 --> 01:43:33,280
Speaker 2: one of the most clutch players in this game player

2382
01:43:33,320 --> 01:43:36,439
Speaker 2: that nobody want to lead when his last second on

2383
01:43:36,479 --> 01:43:38,800
Speaker 2: the shot clock. So unless you know, I did something

2384
01:43:38,800 --> 01:43:40,840
Speaker 2: that opens a lot of people eyes and that you

2385
01:43:40,880 --> 01:43:43,920
Speaker 2: know that a lot of people can't say because we

2386
01:43:44,040 --> 01:43:44,920
Speaker 2: know there's a bunch of.

2387
01:43:44,920 --> 01:43:45,400
Speaker 3: People out there.

2388
01:43:45,479 --> 01:43:46,920
Speaker 2: We know we're not gonna get the ball down to

2389
01:43:46,920 --> 01:43:49,000
Speaker 2: touch because they're gonna, you know, missing, and they not.

2390
01:43:49,400 --> 01:43:51,920
Speaker 3: They don't have that, They don't have the don't have

2391
01:43:51,960 --> 01:43:52,800
Speaker 3: the balls to do it.

2392
01:43:53,680 --> 01:43:57,799
Speaker 1: There you go, There you go speaking speaking of like nicknames, like,

2393
01:43:57,800 --> 01:43:59,599
Speaker 1: like you said, they have a nickname in this league

2394
01:43:59,680 --> 01:44:03,760
Speaker 1: is like like your golden ticket for everybody in the

2395
01:44:03,800 --> 01:44:07,680
Speaker 1: world to call you big shot? Like how like how

2396
01:44:07,760 --> 01:44:08,800
Speaker 1: much do you love this?

2397
01:44:11,160 --> 01:44:13,720
Speaker 2: You know it's weird, man, because I've always been a

2398
01:44:13,800 --> 01:44:16,439
Speaker 2: humble guy and but when people call me big shot,

2399
01:44:16,520 --> 01:44:18,280
Speaker 2: it's like, for first, I was kind of trying to

2400
01:44:18,280 --> 01:44:21,800
Speaker 2: shy away from it, but now I realize, like I

2401
01:44:21,960 --> 01:44:23,920
Speaker 2: like this name. You know, my AAU team is called

2402
01:44:24,000 --> 01:44:28,320
Speaker 2: big Shot. You know, It's it's funny that. You know,

2403
01:44:28,400 --> 01:44:31,519
Speaker 2: my wife gets mad at me because she's like, you

2404
01:44:31,520 --> 01:44:34,200
Speaker 2: don't do this. You know you deserve this, you know,

2405
01:44:34,280 --> 01:44:37,080
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm not I'm not that type of person,

2406
01:44:37,200 --> 01:44:40,040
Speaker 2: you know. The two horns, and then I start breaking

2407
01:44:40,040 --> 01:44:42,439
Speaker 2: down stuff I don't know, like, yeah, I was about that.

2408
01:44:42,560 --> 01:44:44,240
Speaker 2: She didn't that was the first on the block and there'

2409
01:44:44,240 --> 01:44:46,280
Speaker 2: still one hundred three. She's like, real, I said, yeah,

2410
01:44:46,320 --> 01:44:48,760
Speaker 2: I have an NBA record steals in the final. And

2411
01:44:48,800 --> 01:44:50,640
Speaker 2: I started giving all these things. She's like, see, that's

2412
01:44:50,640 --> 01:44:51,280
Speaker 2: what I'm talking about.

2413
01:44:53,680 --> 01:44:57,720
Speaker 3: Even telling most Like I'm telling, she's like, you need

2414
01:44:57,760 --> 01:44:58,519
Speaker 3: to do this, this is this.

2415
01:44:58,600 --> 01:45:00,400
Speaker 5: I'm like, so you add him on, you add it

2416
01:45:00,479 --> 01:45:02,200
Speaker 5: most do the time. Now, I didn't even know.

2417
01:45:03,640 --> 01:45:05,519
Speaker 2: Me. I just I just wanted to play the game,

2418
01:45:05,760 --> 01:45:08,880
Speaker 2: enjoy the game, and have a lot of fun doing it,

2419
01:45:08,960 --> 01:45:10,719
Speaker 2: because at the end of the day, that's what it's about,

2420
01:45:10,760 --> 01:45:13,200
Speaker 2: because that's what we start doing as kids. We played

2421
01:45:13,280 --> 01:45:15,080
Speaker 2: for the fun of me, you know, because it's so

2422
01:45:15,160 --> 01:45:17,080
Speaker 2: much joy in it. And I never played it for

2423
01:45:17,120 --> 01:45:19,320
Speaker 2: the accolades. I never played it for to go to

2424
01:45:19,360 --> 01:45:21,920
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame. I just played it because it

2425
01:45:21,960 --> 01:45:24,120
Speaker 2: was fun. It was a way to get a free education,

2426
01:45:24,560 --> 01:45:25,880
Speaker 2: and now it was a way to have a great

2427
01:45:25,960 --> 01:45:27,639
Speaker 2: job that I don't really call a job.

2428
01:45:28,439 --> 01:45:31,800
Speaker 4: Man og Man, it's been super super real Man We

2429
01:45:31,880 --> 01:45:34,960
Speaker 4: appreciate you. You Ben gave us way more than enough

2430
01:45:34,960 --> 01:45:37,599
Speaker 4: for your time. We appreciate the love.

2431
01:45:37,760 --> 01:45:41,400
Speaker 2: Man Hey, my huge fanling to show it a huge

2432
01:45:41,439 --> 01:45:43,439
Speaker 2: fel of you guys who we played. Man, I had

2433
01:45:43,479 --> 01:45:44,559
Speaker 2: a lot of respect for you guys.

2434
01:45:44,720 --> 01:45:46,360
Speaker 3: Now to see what you guys are doing.

2435
01:45:46,560 --> 01:45:49,280
Speaker 2: On this platform, to let guys get put voices out, Man,

2436
01:45:49,560 --> 01:45:50,439
Speaker 2: I appreciate it.

2437
01:45:50,439 --> 01:45:51,840
Speaker 5: Man. Hey, Man, y'all hear that.

2438
01:45:51,960 --> 01:45:54,920
Speaker 4: Man, that's that's that's straight from the Big Shot Rob,

2439
01:45:55,439 --> 01:46:00,439
Speaker 4: Big Shot Bob. That's on Talk seven time. You got

2440
01:46:00,439 --> 01:46:02,640
Speaker 4: one more thing red more than Thornos. Did you know

2441
01:46:02,640 --> 01:46:03,320
Speaker 4: what I'm talking about?

2442
01:46:04,920 --> 01:46:07,679
Speaker 1: Appreciate you o J Man, It's definitely love man.

2443
01:46:07,680 --> 01:46:09,400
Speaker 3: Yes, sir, my pleasure.

2444
01:46:09,439 --> 01:46:09,759
Speaker 5: Guys.

2445
01:46:10,040 --> 01:46:12,000
Speaker 3: Much success, y'all, Stay safe out

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01:46:29,920 --> 01:46:34,599
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