1 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: As a guide and hunter, I've spent thousands of days 2 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: in the field. This show is about translating my hard 3 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 1: won experiences into tips and tactics they'll get you closer 4 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: to your ultimate goal success in the field. I'm Remy Warren. 5 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: This is cutting the Distance. Welcome back to the podcast everyone, 6 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:37,919 Speaker 1: and happy Thanksgiving if you are enjoying it with your 7 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: family or in the US it's Turkey Day. Maybe you 8 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: shot at turkey this season and you're cooking it up 9 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 1: this year. Me I personally like to go with a 10 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: nice venison roast, but I would probably say most of 11 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: my Thanksgiving dinners have been mountain house type peals because 12 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: I'm always hunting on Thanksgiving. It's like a family tradition 13 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: that we generally shoot something. Um, if we make it back, 14 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: we make it back. But if not. There's been a 15 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: few times where I've just been out on my own 16 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: hunting and uh camping and enjoying the last part of 17 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: the season, which is often cold, but it's a it's 18 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:13,960 Speaker 1: a great day to be hunting, and it's got me thinking. 19 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 1: You know, I got a lot of questions about some 20 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 1: late season hunts, primarily late season cow hunts, but you 21 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 1: know any of those tags that go a little bit 22 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 1: later into the year. So today I want to go 23 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: through my three best late season elk hunting tips. But 24 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: before we do that, I'm gonna share one of my 25 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: favorite elk hunting stories that just so happens to be 26 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: on a Thanksgiving Day quite a few years ago. This 27 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: is really the story that started a great Thanksgiving tradition 28 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: of essentially being successful on Thanksgiving Day, and it just 29 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: so happens to be my first six point bull and 30 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: one of my better public land bulls I've I've really 31 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: taken in a general area that season, and I was 32 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: out and hunting a lot. I spent a lot of 33 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: time during the archery season, but then it was taking 34 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: other people during rifle and I had that last week 35 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: of Thanksgiving off to kind of hunt for myself. Now, 36 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 1: I passed up a ton of nice bulls with my 37 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 1: bow because I really wanted to get a good six 38 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 1: by six. It was just kind of a goal that 39 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: I had. But you know, it was now or never. 40 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: It was the Thursday of Thanksgiving and I only had 41 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: until Sunday to fill my tag. So my dad and 42 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: I went out and we went to a place where 43 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: I'd been hunting quite a bit. Started the morning early 44 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 1: my favorite glassing spot. It was just freezing cold that day, 45 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,239 Speaker 1: a little bit of snow on the ground, and we 46 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: glassed across the canyon and I happened to see a 47 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: pretty good bull in like a larger group on this 48 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: finger ridge in this burn that I've been watching kind 49 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:47,519 Speaker 1: of all years. So I knew that there was a 50 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: lot of elk there. There's a long ways away from 51 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: where we were glassing, but we thought, okay, let's give 52 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,359 Speaker 1: it everything we've got now. Of course, we did have 53 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving plans for dinner at a friend's house with my 54 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: mom and some other family a little earlier that afternoon. 55 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: We didn't make any promises that we'd be back, but 56 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 1: we kind of hinted that we were just going out 57 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 1: to look around and uh and go for a hunt. 58 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: So we start our trek over there. It's a it's 59 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: a nice bowl, and obviously we aren't going to turn 60 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: away from a good bowl. So we start getting over 61 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: there and it's about I don't know, maybe a six 62 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:23,639 Speaker 1: mile hike, and we've got to climb up this one 63 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: mountain and then down the other side. And as we're 64 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: hiking over there, or maybe a mile away. I hear 65 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 1: a gunshot kind of in that general area. And there 66 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 1: was a couple of groups elk, and there're one group 67 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: that was a little closer to the way that we're going, 68 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: had a bigger bowl. And then there's another six point 69 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:39,839 Speaker 1: in that or for at least what I could tell 70 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: through the spotting scope with the distance in that other group. 71 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: So I'm going down the ridge and sure enough, here's 72 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: a six point that somebody else had shot. Like dang, well, 73 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: it's still a ways from that other group. Let's go 74 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: to that backup group and see if we can't find him. 75 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: So we keep working down the ridge. We get the 76 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: wind right and there's all these like finger ridges that 77 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: dropped down, so we get out the elevation of where 78 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: the elk are, and the sun's out now, but there's 79 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: kind of clouds moving back and forth. So we just 80 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: kind of figured, okay, well, the bulls will probably still 81 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: be in that group stunning on that side. They've got 82 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: no reason to move, you know, there's no other tracks 83 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 1: going down there from hunters. So we started working in 84 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: working in sure enough, I spot some cows like sweet 85 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: So now at this point in the day, it's it's 86 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: starting to get evening time. It's like maybe forty five 87 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: minutes before shooting time in something like that. So they 88 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,119 Speaker 1: heard starts feeding out into the timber across the ridge, 89 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: like all right there within range. Cow, cow, Cow. I'm 90 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 1: just watching through my rifle scope. I'm set up my dad. Um. 91 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 1: I knew that we had to hustle to get into position, 92 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 1: and my dad at that time wasn't as good as 93 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 1: shape as he is now. So I kind of just 94 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: kind of left him in the dust a little bit 95 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:54,119 Speaker 1: and just to try to get into position for a shot. 96 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: So I'm in position by myself and the elk are 97 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 1: just kind of starting to filter through, filter through. We're 98 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: moving up, and then they're moving through the trees, moving 99 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: through the trees, and here comes to the six point. 100 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: Well I see him. I'm like, okay, sweet, I see 101 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,599 Speaker 1: him walking walking, He's in the trees and there's like 102 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: very few openings, and I think there's this one opening. 103 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 1: So I get my call and I I'm set up, 104 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 1: and I called and he takes a couple more steps 105 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: and stops and I'm like, sweet, perfect line up the shot, shoot, boom, 106 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: and all I see is the branch like between me 107 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: and the elk with a pine cone on it, like 108 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 1: a fairly large branch fall out of the sky. And 109 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: I knew that i'd hit that tree and not hit 110 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: the elk. I did not hear a solid thump whatever. 111 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: I'm like, crap, this sucks. All the elk runoff. I'm 112 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:50,039 Speaker 1: pretty mad at myself for not noticing that tree in 113 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: that trajectory. It was only maybe a three yard shot, 114 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: but I just was so focused on that elk. I 115 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,799 Speaker 1: just I center punched that branch in that bullet flight, 116 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: and it just fell could have this big pine cone 117 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: and just seem like it fell forever, as in a 118 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: giant ponderosa. And I'm like, damn it, this didn't work out. 119 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 1: But I instead just started sprinting to where the elk 120 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: we're running over and it was a pretty steep, slippery slope, 121 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: and I just sprinted up to the ridge where they were, 122 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: and there they are across the other side, filing up 123 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 1: single file. The bull gets to the top. I locate 124 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,039 Speaker 1: the bull, throw the scope up over a log, throw 125 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 1: the rifle over a log, squeeze the trigger, boom, hit 126 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: the bull. He stops, turns a little bit or just 127 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: kind of like stands there. Boom, one more and the 128 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 1: bull goes down. I'm like, sweet six point bull. My 129 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: dad finally he hears the shooting. He's pretty excited. He 130 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: makes it up to me. We're like, oh, this is awesome. Now, 131 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: the canyon where they had gone across was a pretty 132 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: rugged canyon, so I'm like, all right, let's uh, let's 133 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: work our way over there. And we're excited. This is 134 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: like the biggest bull either of us have ever killed. 135 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: It was just like an awesome, awesome day. Now, this 136 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 1: was before we was obviously had no like cell phone service, 137 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 1: or I don't even think I had a cell phone. 138 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 1: But um, you know, we're expected to be back at dinner, 139 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: maybe around dark or whatever. But we knew now, having 140 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: just shot this bull just before dark, it was gonna 141 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: be a long night. So we get up to the 142 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: bull and we're kind of like, this is awesome. Okay, 143 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: where are we gonna what are we How are we 144 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: going to take him out? Going back up is gonna 145 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: be too long, But there's a way down that's you know, 146 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: if we get to the bottom of the canyon, you know, 147 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: we can go out that way and then climb one 148 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,679 Speaker 1: last a smaller mountain out and then maybe get picked 149 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: up on the highway and kind of hit your ride 150 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: back back to our vehicle. And so we're like, okay, 151 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: that sounds good. We thought, oh man, it might not 152 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: be bad to come back in this way tomorrow and 153 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: maybe in time saving. You know, we're way up here 154 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: on the top, but if we could get this whole 155 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: bowl down to the bottom, you know, we're gonna try 156 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: to hustle back and make it back, you know, for 157 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: our Thanksgiving dinner. So my dad has this idea. He's like, oh, 158 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: it's a pretty steep hill. Maybe we could just slide 159 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: the bull to the bottom. Now this this point, uh, 160 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: it's it's a little bit darker. Well it's actually you know, 161 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: dark by this point by the time we got to it. 162 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: So he's thinking, okay, we'll just slide the bull to 163 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: the bottom. I'm like, okay, yeah, you know, but if 164 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: it takes off, it's gonna be really difficult to control him, 165 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: and who knows where he's gonna go. So my dad 166 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: has this idea, you know, so we start dragging him 167 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: and once we lift the head up, he goes too fast. 168 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: So we kind of have to drop the head down, 169 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: and we're trying to hold him, keep him from going 170 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: super fast down the mountain, but also you know, within 171 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: a normal range of speed to make it easier on 172 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: ourselves to get him down. So my dad has this 173 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: brilliant idea. He's like, Okay, hold my stuff. I'm gonna 174 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: just kind of like get on the back of this 175 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 1: bull and lift his head up and try to just 176 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: kind of like sled him down slow. And I think, okay, 177 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 1: just be careful, don't kill yourself, please. He's like, yeah, okay. 178 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 1: So he's got his head lamp on, he's starting to 179 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: he's like behind the elk so it doesn't go over 180 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: the top of him, and he's lifting the elk's head 181 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: up and the elks starting to slide, and he's kind 182 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: of sliding with it, and he lifts the elk's head 183 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:12,199 Speaker 1: up and starting to slide. Well, somehow in this process, 184 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 1: the bull starts to take off. My dad is still 185 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: grabbing the bulls antler, and now my dad is on 186 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,959 Speaker 1: the bull sledding down this like super steep pitch slope 187 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: in the dark. I just yell bail off bell, like 188 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: I'm I'm I don't know what's going on. I'm worried 189 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 1: that he's gonna die. And all of a sudden, now 190 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: I see headlamp, no headlamp, headlamp, no headlamp, headlamp, no headlamp. 191 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 1: As my dad is just rolling down the mountain, the 192 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 1: flashlights just like of his head lamp is flashing back 193 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: at me, and I hear just a huge crash near 194 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: the bottom, and like, oh crap, is my dad dead? 195 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: So I run down. I'm following the trail and there's 196 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: my dad. He's like semi laughing, kind of like checking everything, 197 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: make sure he's got all his arms and legs and everything. 198 00:09:56,679 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: I've got his pack, my pack, both rifles, and uh 199 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: We're like he's like whoa, okay, well that kind of work. 200 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: That was scary. So we follow the trail down where 201 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: the elk could slid down to the bottom of the mountain, 202 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: and there was like these I don't know, I guess 203 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,839 Speaker 1: they'd be like aspen little saplings on the hill. I 204 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: mean probably, I don't know, like two or three inches thick, 205 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: just completely sheared off by the force of the elks 206 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: sliding through them. I mean, that's how fast that thing 207 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: was going. So like, okay, cool. Well, let's get to 208 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: the bottom. And so we get to the bottom. Now 209 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 1: we're like, uh, let's get the elk. We'll come back 210 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: with a bunch of people tomorrow and pack him out. 211 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: So we get the elk and gut him and whatever, 212 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: and then leave everything, you know, leave a orange vest 213 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: on him or an extra sparro orange vest on the 214 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 1: antlers so we can see it, you know, because we're like, well, 215 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 1: you know, we weren't exactly sure where in the canyon is, 216 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:49,199 Speaker 1: so if it's just hard to spot, you can maybe 217 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,719 Speaker 1: spot him from up above. And then we decided to 218 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 1: start walking out, so he followed the canyon down. The 219 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: canyon was a lot more brushy than we were expecting, 220 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: and we knew that there was like a very big 221 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: river slash stream crossing at the bottom. So it's I 222 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: don't even know how cold it is, maybe zero degrees out. 223 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: We get to the bottom by this point it's pretty late. 224 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: We climb up over the last rise down to the 225 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 1: river bottom, and then we crossed the river. We've got 226 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: just like we're thinking, okay, what are we gonna do. 227 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: We've got like a couple of trash bags. We make 228 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: like trash bag waiters were sledging across this there's ice 229 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: in the river. We're like, all right, get to the road, 230 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 1: and uh end up getting picked up and and getting 231 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: a ride back to our truck really quick. We're like sweet. 232 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: So then we go back and we're like, all right, 233 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,559 Speaker 1: that was great. You know, well, we're definitely late for Thanksgiving, 234 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 1: so it's probably I don't even know, ten or eleven 235 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: PM at this point. We drive back and you know, 236 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: we figured everyone would have eaten and whatever, but this 237 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 1: was before we had this tradition of killing something on 238 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving and always being late. And we walked in and 239 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: nobody had eaten because everyone was waiting for us. So 240 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: we're like like, oh crap. And then we found out 241 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: that my mom actually that day earlier that morning, walked 242 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: out of her cabin in her house to get something 243 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: out of the car, and she was just in her 244 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: pajamas or whatever, and goes back to get inside and 245 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: somehow the door had locked and locked herself out at 246 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: zero degrees. Luckily, she had the car keys because she's 247 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: getting something out of the car, so she had to 248 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: get in the car, drive to a friend's house, and 249 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: then stayed there pretty much all day, we ended up 250 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: showing up very late, and I think everyone was disgruntled 251 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: with the way that we celebrated Thanksgiving, But to this day, 252 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: that was still the best Thanksgiving I ever had. And 253 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: once they saw and heard the story, and everybody was 254 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: just excited for us and it was happy. And then 255 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: from that moment on, Thanksgiving became just more of a 256 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: tradition that we were pretty much always going to be 257 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 1: late and we generally are going to kill something because 258 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: if we have to be back by a certain time, 259 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 1: you know that's never gonna happen. And over the years, 260 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 1: we've kept that tradition up generally being successful with something, 261 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: whether it's a dough tag, a cow elk tag, bull 262 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: tag on Thanksgiving Day. So Thanksgiving to me, it's just 263 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: a special day that we get to go out and 264 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 1: hunt with our families, and it always reminds me of 265 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: that one Thanksgiving that we didn't make it back, but 266 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: we did bring home a pretty good bowl. I personally 267 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: really enjoy hunting late season. Elk. Now, the weather kind 268 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: of sucks, it can be difficult, but I think that 269 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: there's some behaviors that you can key in on. They 270 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 1: can help you be very successful. When it comes to 271 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: late season hunting. If I think back of most of 272 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: the elk that I've taken, a lot of them are 273 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: during that last week of the season, end of November. 274 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 1: Maybe you know, there's also across the US a lot 275 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: of late season cow hunts, maybe into December or later, 276 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 1: place like New Mecca, Mexico, Utah, Montana. There's there's quite 277 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: a few different hunts that go into this late season. 278 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: I think for me, I probably have a lot of 279 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 1: late season success because I generally will pass stuff up 280 00:13:57,960 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: early or whatever, and then it comes down to the 281 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: end of the sea season and I think, all right, 282 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: time to put some meat in the freezer, and I 283 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 1: just go out and really want to be successful and 284 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 1: bring something home. And so these tactics are things that 285 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 1: I've found help me find elk and will help you 286 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 1: whether you've got a late season cow hunt, bull hunt, whatever. 287 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: So these three things generally involved figuring out where the 288 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: elk are and then how to exploit them using a 289 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: few tactics. Let's go with the first one. The first 290 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: one is to hunt the herds on their winter range, 291 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: and to do that, you're gonna look for feeding areas. 292 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 1: Now elk as you know, or probably depending on the area, 293 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: is very migratory, so they might be in one area 294 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: early and then move throughout the season. If you have 295 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: the option to hunt a more migration area or winter range, 296 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: I would say suggests looking into those areas. Now you 297 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: can also intercept elk along that winter range. Maybe your 298 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: area isn't a winter range, you're gonna start thinking about, Okay, 299 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: where the elk maybe moving from into What you want 300 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: to key into on this time of year is going 301 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: to be those feeding areas. So anytime open type of 302 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: open grass, south facing slope, something where the snow might 303 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: burn off if there's snow or inclement weather. You know, 304 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: every year is different. Some years there is no snow late, 305 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: but those south facing slopes, those really grassy areas, elk 306 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: are gonna want to start bulking up for the winter. 307 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: The more feed they have, the better it's going to be. 308 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: So pull out your on X maps, look for those 309 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: those nice south slopes that are going to get the 310 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: sun and burn off the snow. Look for those. If 311 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: you're in a migration corridor or maybe not a winter range, 312 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: look for those maybe higher areas where the wind will 313 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 1: blow the snow off and might allow some available feed 314 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: for the elk that are remaining are still traveling. Also, 315 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: things like burns are a really good thing to look 316 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: for in winter range, prime winter range habitat, something that 317 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: can sustain the animals, has covered nearby, and then also 318 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: has really good access to feed. Once you locate those areas, glossom, 319 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: keep concentrating on those areas, sooner or later you're gonna 320 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: find elk in one of those spots. What I like 321 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: to do is I like to find multiple potential feeding 322 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: areas in winter range or in those travel corridors, and 323 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: then continue to hit those late seasons. So that's where 324 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: my primary focus is. I'm going to focus on burns, 325 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: south slopes, and any areas that might provide good forage 326 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: for elk that time of year. Now, the next tactic 327 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: is very very similar to that, because it's focusing on feed. Now, 328 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: where's the best feed. Often the best feed late season 329 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: might be in private land, in a field, in a pivot. 330 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: You might be driving down in the bottoms and there's 331 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: elk everywhere. A really good late season tactic can be 332 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: to hunt the fringes of this private property. Now, when 333 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: you think of elk hunting or you know, big country. 334 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: It's really nice to be in the wilderness, to be 335 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: way back there, But if the elk aren't back there, 336 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: you need to hunt where the elk are. That's how 337 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: you be successful. So they might be in more of 338 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: these private air is what I'll do is I'll use 339 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,679 Speaker 1: my Onyx maps to find those little pockets where I 340 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 1: feel like there's enough feed and I'm seeing animals down low, 341 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 1: but areas where they might have something missing in that 342 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: particular private spot, Like Okay, they're bedded out in the pivots, 343 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: they're bedded out in the open, but that's only gonna 344 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 1: last so long. They're gonna want some kind of cover. 345 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: If the weather sparks up, there might move in the 346 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 1: mornings and evenings. So I look for areas on my map. 347 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: So I pull up my Onyx, I put the property 348 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: layers in there, and I figure out, Okay, where are 349 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 1: the elk at and then what's potential area for those 350 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: elk to move to? Where's some cover nearby, Where's a 351 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 1: good place that they might go, Where's a piece of 352 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 1: public that I can access that's not easy to access. 353 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: Maybe there's something that's kind of blocked off. But you 354 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: gotta walk to three four miles around to get to it. 355 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: I really focus in on those areas on those late 356 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: season hunts. If you've got a late season cow hunt, 357 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 1: that's a great option. Another option is to even just 358 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 1: potentially ask landowners for per mission to hunt some of 359 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: that private Most of the hunting that I do I 360 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 1: talk about public hunting, but late season cow tags, I've 361 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: I got many many questions about that in the past 362 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:12,400 Speaker 1: couple of weeks, and so I think that one thing 363 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 1: to think about is, you know, ask for permission. A 364 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: lot of people that farm and ranch and whatever, there 365 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: gets to be too many elk in the winter, and 366 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 1: that's why there are those late cow hunts, those late 367 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: season hunts. So that might even be something to think about. 368 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: Look for private land that's enrolled in some kind of 369 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:32,360 Speaker 1: access program for public hunting, or get some numbers, knock 370 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: on some doors. If you don't want to do that, 371 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 1: use your maps to find areas where you can hunt 372 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: outside on the public, but in those areas where it's 373 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: very plausible that elk will move back and forth or 374 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 1: move to and from the private to somewhere that you 375 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: can hunt. Also think about it like this. I like 376 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 1: to think of elk in the bottoms as a magnet. 377 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 1: And sometimes these elk magnets just start attracting more and 378 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 1: more elk. So as the winter goes on, you'll see 379 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: you might notice some elk down in some private somewhere 380 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 1: and there's a handful of them, and then every day 381 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: there just seems to be more and more and more elk. 382 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 1: Try to extrapolate out where are these other elk coming from? Okay, 383 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: what's a good plausible place where it's just funneling into, 384 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: and then try to cut them off in that. Generally 385 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: you'll find some public or some hunting opportunities by kind 386 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: of looking a little bit wider and saying, Okay, it's 387 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 1: probably drawing other elk in, and over the course of 388 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 1: the winter they'll be stacked in here, but before the 389 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: season ends, I might have an opportunity to intercept them 390 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: on the way to this particular spot. Now, the third 391 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:37,239 Speaker 1: and probably my favorite late season tactic is to go 392 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 1: where it sucks. That's that's because the elk are probably 393 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 1: still there and there's gonna be a lot fewer hunters. 394 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 1: I found over the years that if you have bad weather, 395 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: the place that sucks to hunt with bad weather and 396 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: lots of snow is going to be dead fall. Everybody 397 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 1: hates dead fall. It's dangerous to walk over, it's slippery 398 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 1: in the snow. Nobody likes it. I generally just find 399 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,360 Speaker 1: places with a lot of had fault and hunt those 400 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 1: really late, because it's enough to to tur people out. 401 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 1: The elk feel very secure past places that are difficult 402 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 1: like that. Everybody's looking for a trail or some other 403 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,479 Speaker 1: way to get in somewhere. If you find those places 404 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: that suck and you're physically able to do it, go 405 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 1: to those spots because there's a lot less pressure. The 406 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: elk are gonna be relaxed, they're probably gonna be out 407 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 1: feeding longer more, and it gives you a really good 408 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: chance to spot elk and potentially take one. I also 409 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: tend to hunt timber a lot more late because there's 410 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 1: generally snow later. I use that snow to cut a 411 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: set of tracks and then follow tracks. One thing I 412 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:41,479 Speaker 1: always think about is if I'm walking late season and 413 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: I and I come across a set of tracks, Okay, 414 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 1: if I'm having trouble finding elk, I know that at 415 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 1: some point this will lead me to elk and the 416 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 1: timber can be a really hard time to hunt. You 417 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: can't really hunt it outside of the rut when it's 418 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: really effective because the elk are making noise, and then 419 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,360 Speaker 1: when there's snow, because it's effective because you can cut 420 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:01,160 Speaker 1: the tracks and follow the tracks so you know where 421 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: they are and you know where they're going, and that 422 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: can really help you find those elk in a good 423 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: habitat that can hold a lot of animals and be 424 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: very successful. But it is very difficult to hunt other 425 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 1: parts of the year when there's no snow and you're 426 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: just hunting timber, you know, you have to do a 427 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: lot more still hunting, You have to cover a lot 428 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: more ground and you don't know whether there's elk right 429 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: there or not. So hunting those more timbered patches, those 430 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 1: places that are hard to get into, that's a really 431 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 1: good way. And those areas that are hard to hunt 432 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:30,880 Speaker 1: is a really good way to turn up a bowl 433 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: or turn up a cow or whatever you're looking for 434 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 1: late season because you've got that weather most of the 435 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 1: time and you can kind of hunt in a place 436 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 1: that other people might not be hunting, unless, of course 437 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: they're listening to this podcast too and decided to go 438 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 1: that route, then we've kind of messed up the whole algorithm. 439 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 1: But for the most part, I really enjoy hunting timber 440 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: late because it's a lot more successful than hunting at 441 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 1: other times a year, and you're gonna start finding animals 442 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 1: that other people may not have pressured as much, and 443 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 1: they're acting more like ELK. I will suggest this if 444 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: you are following tracks, you know, pay attention to the 445 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: way the tracks are going most of the time ELK. 446 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:09,919 Speaker 1: If they're moving, it's a very straight line, it's like 447 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 1: a very straight pattern. Then you'll see they start to 448 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: swirl around, move and feed. Once you see them start 449 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,880 Speaker 1: making loops and wandering, that's when you want to start 450 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: getting on you're ready because generally they'll go in bed 451 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: most of the time. Late season, you're gonna want to 452 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: look for those beds that are probably more in the shade. 453 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,919 Speaker 1: If it's really cold or if it's a if it's 454 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: a really warm day and there's not a lot of snow, 455 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: then maybe those more shaded areas. So kind of think 456 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: about the terrain and the topography where you're at, and 457 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: then as you're following those tracks, keep an eye out, 458 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 1: move slow, use your optics, and try to pick those 459 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: elk out before they see you. One of the really 460 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,719 Speaker 1: good late season tactic I would say is just have 461 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,119 Speaker 1: an elk call on you. Elk herd back up again 462 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: in the winter. So if you think about the lifestyle 463 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: cycle of elk, they heard up in the the rut, 464 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: the bulls gather up these harems, they create these groups. 465 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,439 Speaker 1: They're very vocal, they make noise. There's a lot of 466 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: noise going on. Then as the season progresses, the bulls 467 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: start to split off. So they split off and they 468 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: might go off on their own. They're going to recuperate 469 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: and just not be annoyed, and all the bigger bulls 470 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: at least and feed and regain that strength that they 471 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: lost during the rut. But the cows will start grouping 472 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,439 Speaker 1: up again. They might disperse a little bit into smaller bands, 473 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: and then as that later season comes on, they start 474 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 1: grouping up, grouping up, grouping up. What you get with 475 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: those groups is you get a little bit more vocalization. 476 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,120 Speaker 1: Not necessarily going to call one in, but they're used 477 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,880 Speaker 1: to sounds. So if you're still hunting, if you bump 478 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: an elk, having that cow call on the ready, I 479 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 1: would say most of the time, cent time, especially late, 480 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:46,959 Speaker 1: they're gonna stop. So if you're working through the timber, 481 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 1: you spook a big bowl, hit that cow call, he's 482 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 1: probably gonna stop and offer you a shot or give 483 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: you a chance. So it's just a little tip to 484 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,439 Speaker 1: add in there for that. I like it all season, 485 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 1: but actually late season it works really well to even 486 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,959 Speaker 1: stop those big groups. I mean, maybe you get in 487 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 1: there's a lot more open, so you're hunting a feeding area, 488 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 1: you've got a lot of eyes, a big group of cows, 489 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 1: you bump them or something before you can get a 490 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: shot off. Try hitting that cow call. Because I've stopped 491 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: a lot of those big groups late season, maybe a 492 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 1: hundred two hundred cows by just really wrenching on that call. 493 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: Wrenching on that call, they get it distracts them. They're like, 494 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: what's going on over there. They've got that herd mentality 495 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 1: of protect the herd. Figure out what's going on with 496 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: the herd, and you might be able to get a 497 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: shot that you wouldn't get otherwise. I hope this helps 498 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 1: you if you've got a late season hunt. If not, um, 499 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: you know, let me know what you're thinking about, what 500 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,360 Speaker 1: questions you have for the types of hunts you might 501 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: have coming up are things that you've heard this season 502 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: or stories that you have that you've tried things and 503 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: it didn't work out, But what should you do next time? 504 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: Because next week I really want to do a Q 505 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: and a podcast. I've got a lot of great stuff already, 506 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: UM coming in the best way. Just shoot me a 507 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,919 Speaker 1: message on Instagram at Remy warrant um. We also have 508 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 1: the Remy at the meat Eator dot com. UM, but 509 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: because it's hunting season, it's a little bit easier for 510 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 1: me to just kind of go through screenshots some of 511 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 1: those questions that I get and then answer them on there. 512 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 1: If you could, I'd love for you to put your 513 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: name if you want your name in there, UM, and 514 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: then where you're from, and and I try to you know, 515 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,120 Speaker 1: when I read the questions live, if you do put 516 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,880 Speaker 1: something like more information about where you're hunting or whatever, 517 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: I always leave that out to protect your zone. But UM, 518 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: I hope that if you've got questions, send them in. 519 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 1: I've been really, really really enjoying all the success stuff 520 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,879 Speaker 1: that everybody's been sending me. I say it pretty much 521 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,160 Speaker 1: every week, but it's so true, Like it's just very 522 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 1: enjoyable for me to to see all the awesome comments 523 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,640 Speaker 1: and feedback and everything. And that's what keeps me doing 524 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 1: this podcast. It's not how many people are listening or 525 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: anything like that. It's just me knowing that I'm helping people, 526 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: especially people that are late getting into hunting, or people 527 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:57,880 Speaker 1: that have been hunting their whole life but just want 528 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 1: to have a little more success when when I up 529 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: their game. UM, I really really enjoy that kind of stuff. 530 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: So thank you guys. And we're moving into December a 531 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 1: little bit of late season stuff. Me personally, UM, I've 532 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: got a really cool late season archery deer tag and 533 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 1: then you know when it when it becomes December, I'm focused, 534 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,640 Speaker 1: you know, September through November in just like big game, 535 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: big game, elk, deer, antelope, all this stuff, and then 536 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 1: December hits in my brain just switches to like small game. 537 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: And I love duck hunting, I love upland hunting, I 538 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: love even rabbit hunt. I just you know, switching to 539 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: that like mode of in my mind, small game is 540 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: really fun for me. So I've got some duck hunts planned. Um, 541 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 1: going to be headed up to Alaska to hunt some 542 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 1: seed ducks and some cool stuff. Maybe I'll bring you 543 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: guys along on some of these adventures and and share 544 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 1: some of the stories of some of the stuff that 545 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: I've got going on. So if there's any suggestions you 546 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 1: have for the podcast, or things that you'd like to hear, 547 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,880 Speaker 1: especially going into this next year and whatever, or things 548 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,400 Speaker 1: that you really liked this year, please please please let 549 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,479 Speaker 1: me know, because I want it to be about you 550 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 1: guys and and what you enjoy. So thank you guys 551 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: so much. As always, don't feel bad if you missed 552 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,400 Speaker 1: Turkey Day, or I should say this, killing a big 553 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 1: bull elk on Thanksgiving is a legitimate excuse to miss dinner. 554 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 1: And if anybody gives you grief, send him my way. 555 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: Happy Thanksgiving.