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Speaker 1: As many of you know, I like to get as

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Speaker 1: many candidates running for office as possible, particularly for governor

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Speaker 1: or Senate in general, especially in state that I think

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Speaker 1: are sort of under a bit overlooked, underrated in their competitiveness,

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Speaker 1: and that is the focus today. I've got doctor Annie Andrews.

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Speaker 1: She is the likely Democratic nominee, say likely because nothing's

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Speaker 1: official yet they haven't had their primary, but the likely

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Speaker 1: Democratic nominee to challenge Senator Lindsey Graham this campaign year.

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Speaker 1: When last Week checked on Lindsey Graham's Senate campaign was

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Speaker 1: back in twenty twenty. I think some people in South

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Speaker 1: Carolina might be mildly surprised he's running again. Then again,

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Speaker 1: the Lindsay Graham, I know, I don't know if he's

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Speaker 1: ever going to leave his Senate seat voluntarily. Some entity

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Speaker 1: or somebody is will decide when the end of his

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Speaker 1: relationship with that Senate seed happens. Doctor Andrews hopes it

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Speaker 1: is her and the voters of South Carolina in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty six. So we're going to do a little geit

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Speaker 1: to know you. Doctor. Thanks for coming on the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Thank you suck.

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Speaker 1: Let me just start with what I like to know

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Speaker 1: about anybody running for office is when's the first time

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Speaker 1: you ever thought about it?

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Speaker 2: My on ramp into politics was pretty quick. I decided

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Speaker 2: to be a doctor when I was four, So my

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Speaker 2: whole life was built around this goal.

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Speaker 1: When you were a kid and you guys were you know,

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Speaker 1: and everybody you know, I think, you know, some people

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Speaker 1: want to be police officers, and people want to be

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Speaker 1: the quarterback of the Green Bay Packers. That might have

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Speaker 1: been me. You know, you wanted to be the doctor

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Speaker 1: that's right, like it was.

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Speaker 2: It was my dream from a very very young age.

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Speaker 2: I told my preschool teacher one day, I want to

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Speaker 2: grow up and be a doctor and a mommy with

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Speaker 2: never had political aspirations. I honestly never really felt connected

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Speaker 2: a position of privilege in the way that I was raised.

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Speaker 2: But then the more time I spent working in children's hospitals,

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Speaker 1: I want to go to something in your medical education,

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Speaker 1: because this is something that I've been advocating in journalism schools,

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Speaker 1: It's amazing to me because I find I've asked this

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Speaker 1: Why do you think that is?

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Speaker 2: We could talk for an entire hour about this and

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Speaker 2: how it has led us to the moment we find

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Speaker 2: ourselves in with this coordinated attack on our healthcare system,

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Speaker 2: doctors and medical organizations being caught totally flat footed, with

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Speaker 2: RFK Junior as sending to lead AHHS. You know, there's

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Speaker 2: not a lot of time, honestly, in medical school to

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Speaker 1: Physical science is everything, right, that's ninety five percent of

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Speaker 2: Exactly right. And the other five percent is working on

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Speaker 2: your communication skills, because if you don't know how to

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Speaker 2: a terrible physician. But I hope that folks who are

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Speaker 2: to understand what happens when we abdicate our seat at

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Speaker 2: like brand new news every time I say it, and

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Speaker 2: it is a it has done, you know, great discredit

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Speaker 1: I've spoken at quite a few of the associations over

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Speaker 1: I will engage in this conversation. And it really is

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Speaker 1: self selecting, right. You have the physicians like yourself who

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Speaker 1: You kind of have to be because this is the system.

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Speaker 1: And then there are others who just and I get this.

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Speaker 1: I think it's people who really know there, really know

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and you know, pediatricians really should be leading the

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Speaker 2: way because kids are not inherently politically powerful. They can't vote,

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Speaker 2: they don't have four oh one k's, they can't write

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Speaker 2: checks to candidates, so really, pediatricians should have been doing

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Speaker 2: this for decades. Engaging in politics on behalf of America

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Speaker 2: the pediatric organization, the American Academy of Pediatrics, is really

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Speaker 2: they've actually explicitly chosen not to engage in politics in

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Speaker 2: their party, lawmakers do inherently care about kids and will

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Speaker 2: take votes in the best interest of children. But you know,

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Speaker 2: now we find ourselves in a moment where the Medicaid

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Speaker 2: program has been gutted by Trump's budget bill, which is,

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Speaker 2: you know, Medicaid is the largest insurer of children in

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Speaker 2: this country. Our routine immunization schedule has been thrown out

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Speaker 1: Speaking of pediatricians, the said organization you just talked to

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Speaker 1: actually just made a big proclamation. We're taping on Monday,

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Speaker 1: And he said, and wreck you know, the the recommending

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Speaker 1: I believe vaccination against at least eleven diseases, including polio,

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Speaker 1: that suddenly people decided that we shouldn't vaccinate for that anymore.

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Speaker 1: Do you think you know there's there's no there is

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Speaker 1: no debate like the new mom debate and the new

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Speaker 1: Mike both I'm an empty nester for the first time

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Speaker 1: I had no helpers for shoveling snow. But I remember

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Speaker 1: you're pediatrician saying another. The pediatrician maybe association and the

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Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, I have so much empathy and sympathy for

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Speaker 2: new parents right now because they're navigating, as you just described,

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Speaker 2: this moment where we can't trust medical recommendations coming from

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Speaker 2: our federal government, and we also can't trust the information

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Speaker 2: we're consuming online. And as you know, like new parents

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Speaker 2: just said, the AAP made a big announcement today releasing

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Speaker 2: their own vaccination schedule, which is pretty much exactly the

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Speaker 2: pre RFK Junior CDC vaccination schedule just to say that

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Speaker 2: we disagree with the recommendations coming from RFK Junior and AHHS,

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Speaker 2: and here are the vaccines that we recommend. And this

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Speaker 2: schedule they released has been endorsed by I think eleven

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Speaker 2: unlike what we're hearing from RFK Junior and AHHS.

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Speaker 1: There anything that Kennedy and his supporters have complained about

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Speaker 2: I think really the root of the problem is we're

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Speaker 2: Exactly exactly, And until we adopt something akin to universal

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Speaker 2: So as an organization, I would say, you know, to

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm a child advocate and a gun violence

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that was going to be my next question.

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Speaker 1: have always stood out to me are Mississippi, and South Carolina,

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Speaker 1: and they both have one similarity in common. There's a

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Speaker 1: under activated rural African American voter that, for a variety

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Speaker 1: of reasons, hasn't felt very either engaged by the party.

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Speaker 1: I think my thesis is, you know, when Democrats wrote

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Speaker 1: off rural America in the Midwest, they kind of It's

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Speaker 1: not an accident to me that the first Latino voters

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Speaker 1: they lost were the rural Latinos in South Texas, the

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Speaker 1: first African Americans they lost were rural African Americans in Georgia,

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Speaker 1: and then the Deep South. That it really is a

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Speaker 1: geographic disconnect more than it is identity politics. I you know,

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Speaker 1: watching you know, the South Carolina Party, They've just never

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Speaker 1: you know, And I know Jamie Harrison will text me

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Speaker 1: and say, that's not true. I threw money at this,

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Speaker 1: and I did this, and I did this, and I'm

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Speaker 1: sure he tried. I'm not. I don't want to discount

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Speaker 1: that he didn't. But there's always seems to be this,

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Speaker 1: there's a huge under registrated vote in the state of

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Speaker 1: South Carolina. What have you learned over the last five

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Speaker 1: years as to why it's They've been hard to activate,

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Speaker 1: hard to build trust.

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Speaker 2: With because we show up and ask for their vote,

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Speaker 2: and objectively speaking, nothing has gotten better for them in

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Speaker 2: South Carolina for decades. And Democrats find ourselves in a

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Speaker 2: really difficult position because we have, you know, a deeply

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Speaker 2: jerrymandered state legislature that is, you know, a super majority

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Speaker 2: of Republicans. So even when a Democrat is elected to

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Speaker 2: serve in the congressional delegation, things at the state House

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Speaker 2: are not going well. And so life for rural black

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Speaker 2: South Carolinians is not going well. So it takes sort

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Speaker 2: of decades of building to show real progress and show

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Speaker 2: real results from any given election. And so I don't

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Speaker 2: blame someone for saying, why would I bother to vote?

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Speaker 2: You know, you asked me for my vote. I show

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Speaker 2: up and vote, and you know, nothing has gotten better.

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Speaker 2: My kids' school isn't any better, my access to food

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Speaker 2: isn't any better, my healthcare is getting worse. So you know,

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Speaker 2: the answer to that is not glamorous. You know, this

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Speaker 2: is the really unglamorous part of politics, which is just

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Speaker 2: showing up in rural communities not a month before the election,

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Speaker 2: eighteen months before the election, and three months after the

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Speaker 2: election and making connections listening first, and you know, then

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Speaker 2: when you are able to deliver results, you have to

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Speaker 2: come back and close that loop and tell people what

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Speaker 2: it is you did to help to make their lives better.

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Speaker 2: But it is a huge challenge and one that is

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Speaker 2: you know, it's one of the reasons my campaign needs

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Speaker 2: the resources to overcome that challenge, because there's enough voters

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Speaker 2: in the state who are aligned with the things I'm

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Speaker 2: fighting for, but they just are very difficult and expensive

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Speaker 2: to reach.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, South Carolina is surrounded by swing states right Georgia

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Speaker 1: to the south, North Carolina to the north, and here

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Speaker 1: they are. So it's it's like, you know, this isn't

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Speaker 1: like somehow there's some magical aspect in South Carolina that

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Speaker 1: those voters aren't swinging either. I just it just feels

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Speaker 1: as if they're not treated as swing voters. They're not

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Speaker 1: they're votes not. Let me ask it this way, what

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Speaker 1: did you observe in the Jamie Harrison campaign that you

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Speaker 1: don't want to replicate?

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Speaker 2: I mean, a global pandemic. I mean really, at the

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Speaker 2: end of the day, although that.

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Speaker 1: Is why he raised thirty why he raised nearly one

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Speaker 1: hundred million.

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Speaker 2: Dollars, right, and you know, I'm sure he would say

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Speaker 2: until he he's blue in the face that he would

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Speaker 2: have been better off with twenty million dollars in no

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Speaker 2: pandemic because you cannot reach those voters. We were just

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Speaker 2: talking about if you can't knock on people's doors, and

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Speaker 2: his campaign had really no field operation because of the pandemic.

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Speaker 2: He also had Donald Trump on the ballot. And Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump is ten points more popular than Lindsay Graham in

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Speaker 2: the state of South Carolina. So there's two like really

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Speaker 2: objective things that make twenty twenty six so much different

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Speaker 2: than twenty twenty And I think if we overcome, you know,

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Speaker 2: because of that, this is a totally different landscape.

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Speaker 1: So let's go to the Let's talk about the voter

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Speaker 1: you've got to win over, which is a voter that

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Speaker 1: supported Donald Trump. You got to win a chunk of them.

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Speaker 1: We can you know, we can play the math game.

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Speaker 1: Is a ten percent of your final vote fifteen percent?

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Speaker 1: You know, at a point you got to win a

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Speaker 1: chunk of them. Who is there a you know, how

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Speaker 1: are you trying to talk to that voter? And who

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Speaker 1: is that voter in your head?

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Speaker 2: I like how you just tried to like avoid the

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Speaker 2: conversation about Math that I was definitely going to go

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Speaker 2: down if you didn't do that. So that voter is

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Speaker 2: actually very similar to my own dad, who lives down

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Speaker 2: the street from me. He never voted for Donald Trump,

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Speaker 2: but he was a lifelong Republican and still would look

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Speaker 2: at you and say, he's a Republican. He's never going

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Speaker 2: to be a Democrat. But he is appalled by several things. First,

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Speaker 2: Lindsay Graham wearing a Trump twenty twenty eight hat. You know,

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Speaker 2: these blatantly unconstitutional things that Lindsay Graham is promoting because

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Speaker 2: Trump wants him to really fly in the face of

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Speaker 2: these you know, more serious minded center right Mitt Romney,

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Speaker 2: John McCain type Republicans, of which there are very many

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Speaker 2: here in South Carolina, particularly in our urban centers and Charleston, Colombia.

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Speaker 1: Graham would associate himself with that description, or he would

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Speaker 1: have at one time.

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Speaker 2: He absolutely would have. And I say in my stump speech,

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Speaker 2: if Lindsay Graham was the same man he was twenty

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Speaker 2: three years ago when first elected to the US Senate,

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Speaker 2: I would not be in this race because I would say,

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Speaker 2: you know what, that's probably a pretty good representative for

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Speaker 2: the state of South Carol. But that is not who

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Speaker 2: he is, because Lindsay Graham is a follower, not a leader.

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Speaker 2: He used to follow John McCain, and now, unfortunately he's

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Speaker 2: following the loudest, most dangerous voice in the room, which

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Speaker 2: is Donald Trump. So between the Trump twenty twenty eight,

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Speaker 2: between the ridiculous war mongering that Lindsey Graham is doing

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Speaker 2: that turns off so many of these more traditional Mitt

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Speaker 2: Romney type Republicans, not to mention everything we're seeing in

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Speaker 2: Minneapolis with DHS and Ice and so there are so

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Speaker 2: many like serious minded former Republicans, former Trump Republicans, who

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Speaker 2: are deeply offended by Lindsay Graham. And Lindsay Graham is

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Speaker 2: really Trump's lapdog. Like no one has tied themselves tighter

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Speaker 2: to Donald Trump, I would argue than Lindsay Graham has.

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Speaker 2: So if you're appalled by this Trump two point zero administration,

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Speaker 2: chances are you're appalled by Lindsay Graham. And there are

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Speaker 2: enough of those people who then see me as number

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Speaker 2: one in outsider number two, an intelligent person who can

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Speaker 2: communicate clearly, and a reasonable alternative to yet another six

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Speaker 2: years of Lindsey Graham.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting to me that nick Haley, whose

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Speaker 1: politics I would have assumed we're closer to Trump's than

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Speaker 1: Lindsay Graham's, and it's Nicki Haley that's seen is less

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Speaker 1: sort of close to Trump, and it's Lindsay Graham that

563
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Speaker 1: is seen as more close to Trump. Is that surprise you?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I had so much hope there. There was a

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Speaker 2: moment where I so much hope that Nikki Haley was

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Speaker 2: going to be the one was going to be the

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Speaker 2: one to stand up to Trump.

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Speaker 1: Until that I think she did speaking of a math problem.

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Speaker 1: She had a math problem, that's right.

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Speaker 2: And I'm just still a Pollyanna because I'm a pediatrician,

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Speaker 2: not a politician. But I just had so much hope

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Speaker 2: that she was going to be the one with the

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Speaker 2: moral clarity to stand up. And if she had done that,

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Speaker 2: I really think she could be, you know, the leader

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Speaker 2: of whatever the Republican Party becomes once we're done with

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Speaker 2: this Maga era of Republican Party.

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Speaker 1: I think she didn't do enough. You think she should

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Speaker 1: have been more out spoken?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Now, no, I look it's a well no for sure,

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Speaker 1: whether she was right or wrong about that, whether we're

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Speaker 1: right or wrong about that in a few more years.

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Speaker 1: But I get what kind of let me let me

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Speaker 1: ask you this, you know, if it's you're not wrong

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Speaker 1: in identifying South Carolina in many ways is always looking

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Speaker 1: for a form of disruptor. Mark Sandford and Nicky Haley

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Speaker 1: were not of the establishment. In fact, they were both right,

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Speaker 1: there's this weird Columbia establishment that is somehow very hard

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Speaker 1: to break through. It can be a little uniparty even

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Speaker 1: at times. And then there's this outside And Sandford was

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Speaker 1: an outsider and Nicki Haley was an outsider. You might

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Speaker 1: argue Jim Hodges was an insider ironically, you know, you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't, I mean, and I you know, so what

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Speaker 1: what do you make of the fact that a Niki

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Speaker 1: Haley and a and a Mark Sandford were able to

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Speaker 1: win statewide races as Republicans running as outsiders and that

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Speaker 1: was a real appeal although it was a divided Republican

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Speaker 1: party in both instances.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's right, you know, I hear a

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Speaker 2: lot of people describe South Carolina as having like a

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Speaker 2: very strong liberty care streak as well.

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Speaker 1: There have been some libertarians that have been wanting to

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Speaker 1: make South Carolina they're the avatar for libertarian living. You know,

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Speaker 1: we're going to all move to side that there was

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Speaker 1: a movement I think about twenty years ago, when the

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Speaker 1: Internet first started to try to create movements, all libertarians

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Speaker 1: moved to South Carolina. We will elect the first real

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Speaker 1: you know inn Ron dream government, right, you know, never

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Speaker 1: quite happened.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we like to be to our own drum

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Speaker 2: down here. We like to do things differently. But I think,

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Speaker 2: you know, that's why Lindsay Graham's in so much trouble,

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Speaker 2: because he is like the poster child of a DC

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Speaker 2: swamp creature. You know, he's a twenty three year incumbent senator,

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Speaker 2: he was in the House before that. He is just

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Speaker 2: like so deeply entrenched in the DC establishment now and

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Speaker 2: the establishment of the Republican Party. And South Carolinians don't

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Speaker 2: stand for that. And they also see that he's just

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Speaker 2: never here. He's never talking about South Carolina when he

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Speaker 2: should be talking about South Carolina. He's talking about Greenland.

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Speaker 2: Like he says into a microphone, he doesn't need to

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Speaker 2: come back to South Carolina because he's in DC to

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Speaker 2: do what Trump tells him to do. And that's because

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Speaker 2: he thinks he's invincible because of what we just talked

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Speaker 2: about with twenty twenty twenty twenty six people. Is not

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Speaker 2: a normal political moment like that is the most you know,

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Speaker 2: underselling way to say that. But Lindsay Graham knows he's

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Speaker 2: in real trouble. He's already on TV in his primary

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Speaker 2: because he has a competitive primary before he has to

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Speaker 2: deal with me in the general.

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Speaker 1: And I want to pick up something that you acknowledge,

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Speaker 1: which is Donald Trump's more popular than Lindsay Graham. So

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Speaker 1: it keeps coming back to you've got to win over

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Speaker 1: somebody that likes Trump, even though you're outlining an agenda

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Speaker 1: that's very much confrontational to the Trump administration.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I remember reading those articles about

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Speaker 2: the Trump AOC voter. You know, it's people who who

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Speaker 2: want to be you know, individual thinkers who want to

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Speaker 2: think for themselves, not aligned to a specific party. And

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Speaker 2: you know, with every passing day, this Trump administration grows

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Speaker 2: more extreme. And it might be the measles outbreak that

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00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 2: sets someone off. It might be what we're seeing in Minneapolis,

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Speaker 2: it might be what we're seeing in Greenland. It might

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Speaker 2: be the tariffs and grocery prices. But more and more people,

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Speaker 2: as we get closer to election day, are going to

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Speaker 2: have something that has like personally offended them or personally

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Speaker 2: negatively impacted their lives, and it's going to make them

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Speaker 2: rethink the way they vote. And then they're going to

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Speaker 2: have an option, which is a refreshing, much younger professional

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Speaker 2: pediatrician who's offering something different than they're used to.

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Speaker 1: You know, I always say that it's like everybody's got

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Speaker 1: their line, you know, and you don't know what who

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Speaker 1: when when that person's line has crossed with Liz Cheney

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Speaker 1: turned out it was January sixth. She was fine with

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Speaker 1: everything before then then after that she's like, I'm out

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Speaker 1: the day Lindsay Graham told us he was out for

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Speaker 1: a couple of days. It's a speech that I will

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Speaker 1: never forget because of how emphatic it turned out not

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Speaker 1: to be. You ran against Nancy Mane. I think everybody's

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Speaker 1: trying to figure out Nancy May. She has been a

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Speaker 1: staple in South Carolina outsider politics. I'd argue for over

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Speaker 1: a decade, right, you know, I'm old enough to remember

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Speaker 1: when she was the chief primary challenger to Lindsay Graham

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Speaker 1: circa twenty fourteen. I want to say, I think, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you've run against her. I think a lot of people underestimator,

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Speaker 1: and then there's others that overestimator for different reasons. But

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Speaker 1: as a campaigner, why do you think you know that

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Speaker 1: nobody likes Nancy Mace except the voters.

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Speaker 2: At times at times, and I think.

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Speaker 1: That that her just matters.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, her welcome is wearing thin. And I hope that

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Speaker 2: that's what we'll see happen in this GOP governor's primary race.

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Speaker 1: The worst thing you don't want to see her win

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Speaker 1: that primary. You'd like to see anybody but her. Interesting, Yes, the.

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Speaker 2: Worst thing that could happen is she's an unseerious person

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Speaker 2: who is not tied to any sort of moral or code.

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Speaker 2: She is just in it for herself. It's all about her,

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Speaker 2: and like, frankly, human being to human being, I'm worried

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Speaker 2: about her mental health. You know, to be a leader,

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Speaker 2: to lead a state, to serve in the House, to

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Speaker 2: serve in the Senate, you have to have your wherewithal

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Speaker 2: about you, like you have to be able to function

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Speaker 2: in society. And I think Nancy Mace is sadly really

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Speaker 2: sort of devolving in front of our eyes. You know,

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Speaker 2: it was not that long ago I ran against her,

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Speaker 2: but she was a more serious person than she is now.

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Speaker 2: We've seen these public displays, you know, at the ULTA

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Speaker 2: store where she was cussing out a constituent, the thing

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Speaker 2: at the airport where she was just degrading and yelling

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Speaker 2: and cussing at the TSA agents and airport security, and

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Speaker 2: it's it's a cry for help. You know, I am

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Speaker 2: a healthcare professional. This is a cry for help. She

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Speaker 2: has no business being anywhere near the governor's mansion. She

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Speaker 2: is quite difficult to figure out.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: It was interesting running against her, woman versus woman in

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Speaker 2: that you know election cycle after row fell, and I

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Speaker 2: really thought, you know, here's a pro choice woman running

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Speaker 2: against an anti choice woman. What woman in the state

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Speaker 2: would vote for her? But of course I lost that

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Speaker 2: race by double digits, and so it is interesting, as

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Speaker 2: you said, voters tend to show up and vote for her.

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Speaker 2: But I do think that people's patients with her here

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Speaker 2: in South Carolina is wearing quite thin. And I also

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Speaker 2: think her appeal beyond the first district here in the

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Speaker 2: Low Country is not what she thinks it is. She

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Speaker 2: confuses her social media profile.

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Speaker 1: With real life, would you if you were elected to

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Speaker 1: the Senate. How do you feel about Chuck Schumer's leader.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's important today to say that

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Speaker 2: I am really happy to hear that they are not

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Speaker 2: going to support a budget that would include fur their

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Speaker 2: funding for DHS and ICE. So that to me is

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Speaker 2: a glimmer of hope, a sign of strong leadership. But

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Speaker 2: I see myself as you know, a new generation of leader.

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Speaker 2: You know, I am significantly younger than the average US senator,

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Speaker 2: and I know that younger leaders.

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Speaker 1: I feel like ninety percent of America can say that.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, yes, I mean, I'm very excited to be in

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Speaker 2: a workplace where I'm like the young person.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I mean, you know, it's the only place

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Speaker 1: that if you're in your fifties, you're the.

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Speaker 2: So I mean, I think it's time that we need,

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Speaker 2: you know, younger leaders with fresh ideas, with bold ideas

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Speaker 2: about how to lead, how to communicate. And you know,

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Speaker 2: it's been very distressing to sit to be on the

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Speaker 2: sidelines of all of this and to wait for that

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Speaker 2: moment where the party really gets it together and we

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Speaker 2: see these bold signs of leadership. We're certainly seeing it

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Speaker 2: from some individual members of Congress, But I do think

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Speaker 2: it's time as a party. You know, we've got to

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Speaker 2: win elections again. And if we just keep doing the

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Speaker 2: same thing over and over again, why would we expect

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Speaker 2: a different result than we saw in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: Who impresses you right now? In the Democratic Party? Who

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Speaker 1: do you like, say, oh, I want to I want

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Speaker 1: to call that person up. I want to. They seem

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Speaker 2: Party go, you know, being down here in the Southeast,

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Speaker 2: I think a lot about my neighbors in Georgia, about

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Speaker 2: like very pragmatically understanding that you know, they do need

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Speaker 2: not really compromising any of their progressive ideals. Like they

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Speaker 1: Examples, excellent point. It's a very swingy state, and you

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Speaker 2: Every once in a while, right, And you know, I

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump's still going to be in office for two years.

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Speaker 1: How much do you believe the job for a democratic

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Speaker 2: I like the way you frame that question. I think

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Speaker 2: I think Representative Lauren Underwood is a great example of this.

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Speaker 2: to do that because my allegiance is to the people

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Speaker 2: of South Carolina. But Democrats can't, you know, take the

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Speaker 2: House and take the Senate and then be meek in

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Speaker 2: We have to pass our agenda, the agenda that will

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Speaker 2: help so many people in this country who are struggling,

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Speaker 1: If you guys get power, there's going to be some

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Speaker 1: pressure to impeach them. And I remember in five and

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Speaker 1: six Nancy Pelosi took it off the table about Bush

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Speaker 1: and you know, there are people said about the Iraq War,

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Speaker 1: and you know you could have you know, look, as

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Speaker 1: I always remind people, what's an impeachable offense? Anything a

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Speaker 1: majority of the House decides is impeachable. Right, that's the

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Speaker 1: way the Constitution actually reads. But we all have it

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Speaker 1: in our head of what's impeachable or not. I they're

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Speaker 1: going to run on if Democrats get power that you

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Speaker 1: know that's all they're going to focus on, is impeachment.

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Speaker 1: Would you take it off the table or do you

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Speaker 1: think you shouldn't take it off the table.

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Speaker 2: I don't think we should take it off the table.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we have armed, masked federal agents murdering American

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Speaker 2: citizens in broad daylight for the entire world to see.

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Speaker 2: This is really nothing like the Bush era of politics.

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Speaker 2: And you know, the word impeach has really sort of

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Speaker 2: I think for probably for many young Americans kind of

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Speaker 2: lost its meaning because we've seen impeachments that have really

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Speaker 2: led to absolutely no change.

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Speaker 1: They've become no different than censures or strongly worded press releases.

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Speaker 2: You know, right right, So it just it feels so

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Speaker 2: just be in to talk about it in that way.

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Speaker 2: But no, we absolutely should not take that off the table.

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Speaker 2: We don't. We can't take anything off the table. We

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Speaker 2: have to. We have to fight fire with fire. And

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Speaker 2: I hope that's a lesson that Democratic Party leaders have learned.

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Speaker 2: I know it's a lesson that so many of us

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Speaker 2: who are stepping up and raising our hands and running

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Speaker 2: for office to cycle feel very driven to see through.

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Speaker 1: So I want to one of the divide that I

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Speaker 1: feel like captures the Democratic debate best is fighter versus United,

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Speaker 1: meaning it's sort of your political instinct. And I would

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Speaker 1: argue twenty eighteen, twenty twenty, the uniters won the debate

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Speaker 1: inside these primaries, Right, that's Joe Biden. You know, that's

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Speaker 1: you know, Ulyssa Slotkins. You know, I could make different,

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Speaker 1: different comparisons that way. I get the sense now that

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Speaker 1: you have an electorate that is looking for fighter. Right,

865
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: that that explains why Gavin Newsom has gone from sort

866
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: of nowhere to front runner. If you want to believe

867
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,399
Speaker 1: any of these early polls about twenty eight as he's

868
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: been fighting the present, you strike me as like enough

869
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: is enough. You know, I'm it's time to fight back.

870
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: You know, we're a weird We're a strange bunch of Americans.

871
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: We want fighters and uniters at the same time. How

872
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:18,800
Speaker 1: do you do both? Because ultimately that's what this middle wants.

873
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 1: We want some stability, m we want some certainty, and

874
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 1: we want some empathy.

875
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 2: I mean, then you need a pediatrician. Like, I'm not

876
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:31,919
Speaker 2: trying to be corny.

877
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: You're not wrong. I mean, you know you'd have me

878
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: at pediatrician. I do think it's easier for you to

879
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: make the case that you give a darn about somebody

880
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: else other than yourself compared to the average politician. That

881
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,399
Speaker 1: I think is probably an advantage that you just walk

882
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 1: into the door with yes.

883
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 2: And you know, I think you know, when you work

884
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 2: in a hospital as I do, you talk to parents.

885
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 2: You're the one who tells parents their kid has cancer.

886
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 2: You're the one who takes care of their kid that's

887
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 2: been in a car accident. You're the one who tells them, oh,

888
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 2: we're gonna have to sort of breathing tube and send

889
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 2: them to the ICU. So you see, like real people

890
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 2: facing real problems, and all of a sudden, a lot

891
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 2: of this noise doesn't matter so much. You become very pragmatic.

892
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 2: You have to be a fighter because you have to

893
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 2: advocate for your patients, but you also have to just

894
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 2: get the job done and work with whoever you need

895
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 2: to work with. You know, just because the surgeon on

896
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 2: call is someone I can't stand, doesn't mean I'm not

897
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 2: going to consult the surgeon for my patient who needs surgery.

898
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:31,280
Speaker 2: So it's this combination of being like really scrappy, really smart,

899
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 2: understanding that no matter what, the job just has to

900
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 2: get done, and then also just you know, working with

901
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 2: anybody who you need to work with to make that happen.

902
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 2: So the problem with so many DC politicians is like

903
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 2: they live in la la land. They are not connected

904
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 2: to the real world. They haven't had a job where

905
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 2: they actually had to, like you know, show results for

906
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 2: their work for a really long time. And Lindsey Graham

907
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 2: is a perfect example of that. So many of us

908
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 2: work in the real world, whether we're teachers or nurses

909
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 2: or doctors or whatever. We just get the job done.

910
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 2: And that's what we need more of in Washington, d C.

911
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 2: And less of these games.

912
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: What I want to get very specific about AI regulation.

913
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 1: As a medical professional, I imagine you have some strong

914
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: feelings about how AI should be regulated in information. There's look,

915
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: in the healthcare space, there's the most optimistic people about

916
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: AI are usually associated with healthcare. Right, this idea that

917
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:29,320
Speaker 1: you know, my god, look we just mapped every protein

918
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: in the human body, right, you know, there's this excitement

919
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,439
Speaker 1: that that we're going to have some huge leaps scientifically,

920
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: and yet there's at the same time a lot of

921
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 1: this dystopian distrust that we have. Congress is playing very

922
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: little role right now in AI and you know about

923
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 1: about the same amount of role they played at social media.

924
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 1: We all know how well that went. So what what

925
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,919
Speaker 1: should Congress be doing? And if Democrats get control and

926
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,479
Speaker 1: you're winning there, what do you what what does AI

927
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 1: regulation look like? When people ask you this question, You.

928
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:06,839
Speaker 2: Know, it's interesting to think about healthcare potentially being like

929
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 2: the frontier of AI, because I kid you not, we

930
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 2: still use Fax machines at pretty much every hospital in

931
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 2: this country. So you know, the like the future and

932
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,720
Speaker 2: what could be is very disconnected from how the healthcare

933
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 2: system actually works.

934
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: Is a fault of the system? Is the system antiquated?

935
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: Is that what you're trying to tell me?

936
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,280
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean it's we're not exactly like keen

937
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 2: on innovation in healthcare. There's so many systemic barriers to

938
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 2: adopting innovations.

939
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:39,800
Speaker 1: Everything's a system. There is no individualism I feel like

940
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 1: in medical care.

941
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 2: Yes, right, right, and it's and it's incredibly fragmented. So

942
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 2: just you know, so maybe maybe DC Medicaid stops using

943
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 2: Fax machines, but Virginia Medicaid still does. So now they

944
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 2: can't talk to each other. I mean, it's just our

945
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 2: healthcare system is deeply fragmented. I am excited about the

946
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,720
Speaker 2: potential even like simple AI innovations that can help doctors

947
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 2: with the burden of all the charting we have to do.

948
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 2: You know, the amount of time we spend actually talking

949
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:09,800
Speaker 2: to people versus clicking on our little keyboards is ridiculous

950
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 2: and it's not a job satisfier for us, and it's

951
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 2: certainly not a satisfier for patients. So there's some like

952
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 2: really simple, low level AI and innovations that could improve

953
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 2: the delivery of healthcare to Americans in a pragmatic fashion.

954
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 2: But I think your analogy to Congress being asleep at

955
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 2: the wheel with social media regulation is perfect. And I

956
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 2: just worry that you know, in this in this capitalist

957
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 2: driven society, that we're always thinking about profits, profits, profits

958
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 2: before we think about the long term negative consequences. You know,

959
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:45,439
Speaker 2: I have my oldest daughter just turned fourteen yesterday, and

960
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:46,879
Speaker 2: she texted me out of the.

961
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: Blue, Okay, good luck with that. That was an interesting age,

962
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: Yes age, mom and daughter stuff are awesome at that age.

963
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 1: Good luck so far, so good.

964
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 2: But she said, when can I get Instagram? And I'm thinking,

965
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:01,319
Speaker 2: why don't we different? Wow?

966
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:06,399
Speaker 1: You made it to fourteen. You're should come on the trampolines.

967
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 2: There's no social media. There's bike helmets everywhere. I'm a

968
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 2: pediatrician mom. But we've got to think about our kids first.

969
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 2: We've got to think about the long term negative consequences

970
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,760
Speaker 2: of these innovations. But I you know, I just worry

971
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 2: that so much is there's so much dark money in politics,

972
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 2: and so that's like driving how people vote, and we've

973
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,240
Speaker 2: just got to get the corruption out of the system

974
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,240
Speaker 2: so we can pass laws to regulate AI and social media.

975
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,359
Speaker 1: All right, let me have a little lighter fare here.

976
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: Best TV doctors, best TV doctor show that gets it right.

977
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 2: I mean, so, you know, I decided to be a

978
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 2: doctor when I was four, and then I was in

979
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:45,839
Speaker 2: eighth grade when ER came out with George Accessor. Yes,

980
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 2: I love R. But now the Pit is like perfect,

981
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 2: you know, I just I don't.

982
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 1: Tell Michael Crichton's errors, but yes, the Pit is the

983
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 1: natural heir to R.

984
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 2: Right, that's right, that's right. And I just it's so

985
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 2: realistic in the way that it portrays like all of

986
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 2: societal's ills showing up in an emergency department and all

987
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 2: of the things that make being a healthcare provider so difficult.

988
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 2: It is incredibly validating, especially the first season when they

989
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 2: have those flashbacks to COVID, because if you live online,

990
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,439
Speaker 2: if you live even in this political world where I live,

991
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 2: you start to forget how real COVID was and how

992
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 2: devastating it was, and all of the people who died

993
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 2: and the doctors who put their lives on the line

994
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,359
Speaker 2: to care for these patients before we understood anything about

995
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 2: this virus, and you get gaslit into thinking it wasn't

996
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 2: a big deal. But I think the PIT does such

997
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 2: a good job of, like really showing what reality is.

998
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 1: Like. I have a friend of mine who runs a

999
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 1: hospital in Pensacola, and the most frustrating aspect was people

1000
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:42,959
Speaker 1: that didn't believe him when he said no, no, no, no,

1001
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 1: let me. Would you like to take a tour of

1002
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: my ICU because I don't have a single open bed

1003
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 1: and the lack I mean, I am not advocating cameras

1004
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: in hospital surgical wards and all this stuff, but I

1005
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: don't know if Americans truly understood what happened in emergency rooms,

1006
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: and I see.

1007
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:05,839
Speaker 2: Us they don't, and the ones who maybe did for

1008
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 2: a minute have forgotten it and consumed all of the

1009
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 2: disinformation about it. It's really quite devastating when you think

1010
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 2: about the millions of Americans who died, or if you

1011
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 2: think about all the healthcare providers who risked their lives.

1012
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:21,320
Speaker 2: It was such a scary time as a hospital based position.

1013
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 1: All Right, So I asked your favorite hospital show? What's

1014
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 1: your favorite political show or movie that you've seen?

1015
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 2: The West Wing?

1016
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 1: You're a super optimist. You don't. You didn't do any

1017
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: of the dystopian stuff. You did all the good stuff

1018
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: right the er dot like there was no like, it's

1019
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 1: not a house of cards. You didn't go dark. You

1020
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: went light. I mean, look, I love to me Samharansorkid,

1021
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 1: but my god, he paints a fantasy world that does

1022
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 1: not exist. But god was. I'm hopeful and wistful of

1023
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: of said era, but I love her optimism.

1024
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 2: You can ask me that question again, like halfway through

1025
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,839
Speaker 2: my first term in the US sentence, See if.

1026
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: Your mind changes on that. Well, how much is this?

1027
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,399
Speaker 1: You know? Look, when you run for office, you're always

1028
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,359
Speaker 1: a candidate, You always on record, et cetera, et cetera.

1029
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: Is this seven days a week? Is it five days

1030
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: a week? Like what's your rhythm as a candidate right now?

1031
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 2: I mean it certainly is like one hundred and ten

1032
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 2: percent job. It's seven days a week, but I'm also

1033
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,800
Speaker 2: a mom of three school age children. Very busy season

1034
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 2: of my kids with there fourteen, eleven and nine. My

1035
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:30,839
Speaker 2: fourteen year old had you know, about eighteen of her

1036
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 2: friends over here. On Saturday morning. We hosted like a

1037
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 2: breakfast birthday party. And that was after I got home

1038
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,320
Speaker 2: at about midnight Friday night after going to a huge

1039
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 2: AKA gala in Columbia, South Carolina. So it's really just

1040
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 2: and that was after I worked for a few days

1041
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 2: in the hospital where I work, which is actually in Washington,

1042
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:52,240
Speaker 2: d C. So I'm doing three different, very big jobs

1043
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 2: all at once. There absolutely is no rhythm other than

1044
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 2: I try to get as much sleep as I can.

1045
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 2: And I look forward to, you know, Midsummer when I

1046
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:05,240
Speaker 2: really can focus fully on the campaign and my kids

1047
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,359
Speaker 2: as I take a step back from the hospital job,

1048
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 2: because the South Carolina deserves a full time Senate candidates,

1049
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 2: and I look forward to that.

1050
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 1: All right, last question, Clem Center, South Carolina.

1051
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 2: Oh jeez, trying to get me in trouble.

1052
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: Yes, that's you got to take a stand. Right, everybody

1053
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 1: does go sports?

1054
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 2: How about that?

1055
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:26,879
Speaker 1: Oh wow, look, not not getting into that at all.

1056
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 1: What's I mean, it's tough, right. Columbia is the state capital,

1057
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 1: so that's in one. You know, Clemson's more successful, so

1058
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:34,720
Speaker 1: it's probably not an easy answer.

1059
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 2: Is and Clemson is, you know, like Lindsay Graham's backyard.

1060
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 2: And I gotta tell you, I see, I've been filling

1061
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 2: up rooms in the upstate of South Carolina, right in

1062
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 2: Lindsay Graham's hometown. So he's he's in trouble.

1063
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: There's a fun diner in Greenville that I liked up there.

1064
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: I can't remember the name of it, but it's like

1065
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 1: where everybody goes right before the Clemson football games. Okay, yeah,

1066
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 1: but anyway, uh, doctor, this is great to get to

1067
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 1: know you. Appreciate you coming on.

1068
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me Chucks.