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Speaker 1: Welcome to two Percent. I'm your host, Michael Easter, and

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Speaker 1: I am thrilled to announce that this is the very

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Speaker 1: first episode of my new podcast. Now, if you have

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Speaker 1: not heard of me, you may have seen me on

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Speaker 1: other podcasts like The Joe Rogan Experience, like Andrew Huberman,

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Speaker 1: or maybe on TV like CBS Saturday Morning or Good

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Speaker 1: Morning America. Either way, here's my background. I am a

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Speaker 1: journalist who has been investigating human health and well being

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Speaker 1: for about twenty years now. I was an editor at

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Speaker 1: Men's Health for a long time, worked at other magazines

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Speaker 1: like Scientific American like GQ. Then I became a professor

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Speaker 1: for seven years, and in that process I started writing books.

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Speaker 1: So I ended up writing a book called The Comfort

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Speaker 1: Crisis and Scarcity Brain. They became bestsellers. They changed a

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Speaker 1: lot of people and their habits. My work has taken

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Speaker 1: me to places like conflict zones, to the Bolivian jungle,

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Speaker 1: to labs at Harvard to neuroscience labs all over the map,

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Speaker 1: and all these experiences have taught me one thing, and

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Speaker 1: that's that improving your life it isn't always easy. It

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Speaker 1: typically comes through embracing discomfort, taking on challenges, big and

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Speaker 1: small across the days, weeks, months, and years of your

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Speaker 1: life and leaning into what is hard. That is how

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Speaker 1: people learn doing hard things. We're going to have long,

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Speaker 1: in depth, fascinating conversations with some of the world's greatest

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Speaker 1: thinkers in all different areas. Each person will teach us

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Speaker 1: something about what it means to live a good life

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Speaker 1: right now, and it'll all be actionable. And you might

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Speaker 1: be wondering, why is this called two percent? Two That

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Speaker 1: is the percent of people who take the stairs when

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Speaker 1: there is also an escalator available, only two percent. Now,

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Speaker 1: I would argue every single one of those people knew

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Speaker 1: that taking the stairs would be better for them, be

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Speaker 1: better for their physical health, it would be better for

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Speaker 1: their mental health. Get the vast majority of people, they

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Speaker 1: choose to do the easy, more effortless thing that not

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Speaker 1: only is not going to help them in the long run,

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Speaker 1: but that might actually harm them in the long run.

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Speaker 1: So we're going to look at how do we find

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Speaker 1: challenges big and small can be as simple as the

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Speaker 1: And how do we actually build the sort of online

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Speaker 1: mental networks to make taking the harder path an easier

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Speaker 1: decision to make. Now, what is our first episode? That

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Speaker 1: is a very important one. It's like, how are you

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Speaker 1: going to open this thing? Today's episode focuses on one

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Speaker 1: of the most fundamental things that a human being can do,

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Speaker 1: and a thing that we no longer do quite as much,

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Speaker 1: and it is absolutely hurting our well being. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: be talking about walking. So for some context here, walking

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Speaker 1: absolutely shape humans into who we are and allowed us

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Speaker 1: to take over the world. It is our most fundamental act.

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Speaker 1: We used to walk about twenty thousand steps a day,

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Speaker 1: and the average person today only takes about four thousand steps. Now,

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Speaker 1: I've been thinking about this because a year ago today,

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Speaker 1: I was in the middle of the Utah Desert on

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Speaker 1: an eight hundred and fifty mile hike across southern Utah.

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Speaker 1: So what we'd have to do is we'd have to

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Speaker 1: and what the human body is capable of through that hike.

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Speaker 1: We were hiking like twenty five miles a day. It

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Speaker 1: thinking about walking, I wanted to know what is the

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Speaker 1: So to answer that question, we are bringing in an

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Speaker 1: evolutionary geneticist named Melissa Alardo. She studies some of the

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Speaker 1: world's most amazing populations on Earth and really understands what

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Speaker 2: The fact that it's like a big achievement to get

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Speaker 1: After that, we're going to bring on one of my

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Speaker 3: How often in life do we want to break out

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Speaker 1: And then finally, at the very end, we're going to

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Speaker 1: cover what the science really says about how many steps

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Speaker 1: much you should be walking, even if you don't want

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Speaker 1: I will give you a hint. No, it is not

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Speaker 1: ten thousand. So let's get into it. Okay, So story time,

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Speaker 1: I was just on a fourteen hour flight back from Europe. Now,

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Speaker 1: I spent about ten hours of that flight writing, researching,

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Speaker 1: reading nerdy studies. But then eventually my brain it just

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Speaker 1: had enough, so I turned on a movie. I turned

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Speaker 1: on a movie called The Long Walk. Now, It is

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Speaker 1: based on a Stephen King novel, and in full Stephen

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Speaker 1: King fashion, it has got the most insane murderous plot

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Speaker 1: line of all time. Here's what happens in the movies.

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Speaker 1: A bunch of boys. They're rounded up in this post

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Speaker 1: and what the rules for this are.

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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna go through the whole rule book, but

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Speaker 4: it boils down to this. When you fall below the

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Speaker 4: speed of three miles per hour, you get your ticket

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Speaker 4: walk until there's only one of you left.

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Speaker 1: When I first turned on this movie and heard the rules,

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Speaker 1: people have not been preparing for this walk physically. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I bet they'll get twenty thirty forty miles. No, literally,

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Speaker 1: all of the boys make it at least one hundred miles,

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Speaker 1: and the one who wins another spoiler alert makes it

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Speaker 1: is this actually possible? These kids have no training. They

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Speaker 1: Could a human being actually walk that far without stopping?

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Speaker 1: So to answer this question, we have Melissa Alardo, who

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Speaker 1: literally studies extreme physical acts, and she has unbelievable answers

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Speaker 1: Thanks for being here.

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Speaker 5: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: You have done a lot of endurance stuff. Have you

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Speaker 1: done ultra runs? I know you do crazy backcountry ski touring.

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Speaker 2: I do long backcountry ski tours. I didn't iron Man.

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Speaker 1: So a lot of the boys end up going past

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Speaker 1: one hundred miles. The one who wins, I think goes

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Speaker 1: more than three hundred and fifty miles. Big question is

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Speaker 1: how realistic do you think this is? Because the key,

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Speaker 2: I do think it's possible. I think you know, obviously

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Speaker 2: it's extraordinary circumstances.

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Speaker 5: In the movie. So, I mean, there are a lot.

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Speaker 2: Of people, obviously, people who mostly train, who do ultramarathons.

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Speaker 2: What's incredible about the human body is that if you

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Speaker 2: adapted in general to endurance. So yeah, with some training

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Speaker 2: a really steady pace. Obviously there are certain things that

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Speaker 1: So why are we so well adapted to endurance?

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Speaker 5: There are some theories about this.

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Speaker 2: Some of it is centers around the fact that we

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Speaker 2: may have traditionally practiced a form of hunting where our

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Speaker 2: endurance became an advantage. And there are groups of people

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Speaker 2: continue to practice this kind of hunting. It's called persistence hunting.

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Speaker 2: We're essentially, you know, we're good at endurance, or we

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Speaker 1: And part of that is because we are really efficient

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Speaker 2: There's a number of things, you know, as interesting as

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Speaker 1: Before we hit record, we were talking a little bit

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's a rare familial mutation that causes people

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Speaker 2: And yeah, that was the one thing I was a

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, A question about those people who need less sleep,

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Speaker 1: Day that you have. Totally. One thing I thought was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you know, a lifetime of training in

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Speaker 5: They're very mobile groups of people. They're just walking all

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Speaker 1: Ever, what I think is interesting, going back to what

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Speaker 2: The fact that it's like a big achievement to get

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Speaker 1: There's a researcher who is now at USC named David Reichlan,

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Speaker 2: Minds up the lines up with some things that I've

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Speaker 1: That's fascinating. Does this sort of line up with the

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Speaker 2: it's a lot. You know, I'm in it for that,

438
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Speaker 2: and that makes it easier to kind of push through.

439
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Speaker 2: But I mean, I'm, you know, in my office and

440
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Speaker 2: it's a few degrees cooler than it normally is, and

441
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Speaker 2: I'm freezing, but I'm out there and I'm able to

442
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Speaker 2: push through very cold temperatures. So it's like, yeah, all

443
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Speaker 2: of our we're very able to change our baselines, as

444
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Speaker 2: I know you talk about. So I have experienced that,

445
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Speaker 2: and it's amazing what you can do if you if

446
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Speaker 2: you decide to push through something.

447
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Speaker 1: Do you feel like that that there's almost a lesson

448
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Speaker 1: there for the average person where if you don't like

449
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Speaker 1: to exercise and you find it too hard, simply changing

450
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Speaker 1: the environment and finding something that you actually do love

451
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Speaker 1: can almost act as fuel to kind of get you

452
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Speaker 1: past the hump.

453
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Speaker 5: Oh. Absolutely.

454
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Speaker 2: I mean if you're not excited to get out there,

455
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Speaker 2: then you know, if you're tired, you're just not going

456
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Speaker 2: to do it, Whereas you know, I could be tired,

457
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Speaker 2: but right now it's snowing up in the mountains and

458
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Speaker 2: I'm really excited to go ski tomorrow because it's so

459
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Speaker 2: much fun, and so I think, yeah, whatever it is

460
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Speaker 2: that you can find that joy. Some days, if I'm

461
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 2: feeling really tired after work, I go to spin class,

462
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 2: which feels a little silly sometimes because it's kind of

463
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Speaker 2: like a you know, like a dance party on a bike,

464
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Speaker 2: but it's really fun, and so there are days where

465
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Speaker 2: that's my inspiration. So I think, yeah, finding joy in

466
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Speaker 2: whatever you do for exercise just makes it so much easier.

467
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Speaker 1: Totally. I've experienced that myself in terms of if I'm

468
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Speaker 1: on a treadmill, it's like it's so long, it's so boring,

469
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Speaker 1: the minutes go by so slow. But if I go

470
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Speaker 1: do a trail run, I'll look down and I've gone

471
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Speaker 1: six miles. I'm like, oh, I feel great, great, this

472
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Speaker 1: is I'm having a great time. If I was doing

473
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Speaker 1: six miles on a dreadmill a mile too, I'd be like,

474
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Speaker 1: we need to we need to stop this. This is awful.

475
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

476
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Speaker 5: Absolutely.

477
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Speaker 2: I was on the stairs in the gym the other

478
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Speaker 2: day and it was like twenty minutes in.

479
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Speaker 5: I was like, oh, no, I can't do this.

480
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Speaker 1: What do you think In real life most closely mimics

481
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Speaker 1: this competition, of course, without the possibility of being shot

482
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Speaker 1: at any given moment if you slow down.

483
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Speaker 5: Well, as far as I know, there actually are.

484
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Speaker 2: Race is quite similar to this, where it's not so

485
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Speaker 2: much where they're making you maintain a specific speed, but

486
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Speaker 2: it's you know, last man's I think they're even called

487
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,959
Speaker 2: last man Standing or something like that, and you essentially

488
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Speaker 2: have to go at a certain distance every hour or

489
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Speaker 2: whatever it is, and if you cover that, if you're

490
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Speaker 2: able to finish that distance in that time period, you

491
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 2: are still in the race. So and I think people

492
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Speaker 2: last quite a while in those I mean, of course

493
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Speaker 2: you have, you know, races where there's two hundred plus

494
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Speaker 2: miles that you're covering. But it is interesting, and they

495
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,719
Speaker 2: mentioned this in the film too. The psychology of not

496
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 2: having a finish line is so different because it's not

497
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 2: that you have to make it somewhere, it's that you

498
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 2: have to outlast everyone else. So yeah, yeah, I can't

499
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Speaker 2: imagine what would be like to compete in something like that.

500
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Speaker 1: Absolutely. What do you think the sort of big practical

501
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 1: takeaways from this movie are for the average person as

502
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Speaker 1: it relates to endurance physiology mindset.

503
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Speaker 2: I would say, get good shoes, don't wear boots when

504
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Speaker 2: you're going for one hundred mile, Like I think it's

505
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Speaker 2: you know.

506
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Speaker 5: Training helps. All of these things are possible.

507
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Speaker 2: I recently was actually in the Canadian in the mountains

508
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,160
Speaker 2: in Canada backcountry skiing for a week with a woman

509
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Speaker 2: who was seventy one years old, and we were doing,

510
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Speaker 2: you know, fifty two hundred feet of a day and

511
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Speaker 2: she was doing that seven days in a row, and

512
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Speaker 2: it was just so amazing to me, you know, I mean,

513
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Speaker 2: she was keeping a good pace. It was it was

514
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Speaker 2: a steady you know, it wasn't a particularly fast pace.

515
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 2: But two interview today for seven days is really impressive

516
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Speaker 2: at seventy one. And so I think it's kind of

517
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 2: important to keep in mind that, you know, if you

518
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,919
Speaker 2: if you train, if you keep at a good pace,

519
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 2: you're capable of a lot more than I think people

520
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 2: think they are.

521
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: Well, thanks for coming on, Melissa, We really appreciate it.

522
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Speaker 5: Yeah, my pleasure. Thank you.

523
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: Now. If you want to deeper dive into the science

524
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: of endurance, especially as applies to mindset, you can go

525
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:29,199
Speaker 1: to twopct dot com and search exercise fatigue is an

526
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: emotion that goes down the rabbit hole, and it gives

527
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,439
Speaker 1: you some actionable advice about how you can sort of

528
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 1: turn off or at least lessen that governor in your

529
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 1: brain that is screaming at you. To slow down and

530
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: quit when you probably have a lot more in the tank.

531
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Speaker 1: Something I'm going to start doing on the show is

532
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 1: bringing in ordinary people who have done something unbelievably physically

533
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: challenging and learned something from it. Some of these people

534
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 1: might be ultra marathoners, others might be everyday people who

535
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 1: just went out and started doing something physical and kept

536
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: pushing the boundaries and learn something in the process. And

537
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,679
Speaker 1: there is no better person to start this idea out

538
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: than my good longtime friend Foster camer So. I first

539
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,959
Speaker 1: met Foster when I was working in media in New

540
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: York City. We were both editors at different publications. We

541
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 1: would occasionally send each other stories to do. And he's

542
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: originally from Vegas, so when I moved to Vegas, anytime

543
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 1: we would come into town to meet with his family,

544
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 1: hang out, have holidays, we'd always meet up, hang out,

545
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: do something. Foster, you will learn though, is not necessarily

546
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 1: an athletic person. You know, he walks around a lot,

547
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 1: he does a few things, but he's definitely not a

548
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: physical specimen. And yet that said, one day he got

549
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 1: some bad news in his life. I'll let him explain that,

550
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: and it prompted him to leave his house with a

551
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 1: twenty five pound weight in a backpack on his back.

552
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 1: So he was rocking, and he started walking and each

553
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 1: time he would go to stop, he would keep walking,

554
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,880
Speaker 1: keep walking, and it ended in one of the most

555
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: amazing physical acts I have ever heard of in my life.

556
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: So we're going to bring him on to talk about that,

557
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 1: not to mention he did this thing twice and he

558
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 1: learned so much from it in the process, about the

559
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: power of walking, about the power of getting outside what

560
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 1: is ordinary, and things about himself that really reframed what

561
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 1: he had gone through and the news that he received.

562
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 1: So with that all said, we're going to bring in Foster. Foster,

563
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 1: my favorite person from Las Vegas and friend.

564
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Speaker 6: Oh, get out of here.

565
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: Welcome to the show.

566
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Speaker 6: Thank you, thank you for having me. Michael.

567
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: Here's where we need to start. For context. I would

568
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Speaker 1: not say that you are not athletic. I would also

569
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Speaker 1: not say that you are a David Goggins type. I

570
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: don't think you live by your whoop score.

571
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 5: No.

572
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: I do know that you occasionally, at least used to

573
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Speaker 1: enjoy a cigarette or two.

574
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Speaker 3: Not for six years now, but yes, or eight years

575
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 3: eight years actually.

576
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Speaker 1: You go see DJs that begin at the time that

577
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: I go to bed.

578
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 6: Well after that, well after that, you.

579
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: Are active, I would say, like a lot of New Yorkers,

580
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: shit little.

581
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 6: Walking inveterate walker. It's true.

582
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 1: Do you go to the gym sometimes?

583
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 3: I belong to a rock climbing gym, which which was

584
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 3: not the cliche that it is now. A friend got

585
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 3: me into into a rock climbing bouldering about five six

586
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 3: years ago. I'm doing less of that these days, but

587
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 3: I do go to the gym. I did take a

588
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 3: weightlifting class last year. I would not call myself athletic,

589
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 3: though fair spry spry.

590
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 6: Is going to be a word.

591
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, But one fine day you do something that I

592
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: would classify as very athletic. I would say it put

593
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: you in David territory in the sense that you put

594
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Speaker 1: on a weighted backpack.

595
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Speaker 6: How much was it twenty five pounds?

596
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Speaker 3: And the first year I did it, I don't think

597
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 3: I actually had anything in it besides the way.

598
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So why did you take this walk in the

599
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: first place?

600
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Speaker 3: So that same friend who got me into indoor rock

601
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 3: climbing was my best friend of twenty five years.

602
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 6: His name is Henry. Henry Molina and you met at

603
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Speaker 6: summer camp.

604
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Speaker 3: We met at summer camp when I was thirteen years old,

605
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 3: my first day of Sleepway Camp in Cleveland, Georgia Camp

606
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Speaker 3: Camp Coleman and yeah, we had an incredible friendship of

607
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 3: twenty five years. We lived together for a time. I mean,

608
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 3: we gotten all kinds of mischief together. When I first

609
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 3: moved to New York. We moved together right before I

610
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 3: turned twenty one. And so you know, he eventually moved

611
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 3: to la and his partner, Margaret, they moved there, and

612
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty he's diagnosed with the squamous cell carcinoma

613
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 3: of the prodded gland, which is a cancer of the

614
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 3: gland behind your sweat land around there. Sorry to all

615
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 3: the doctors who know what a broad gland is and

616
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 3: are cringing at my description of it. And he has

617
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 3: a big surgery, goes through chemo and radiation therapy, it

618
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 3: comes back as metastatic, and in July of twenty twenty

619
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 3: two he passes away.

620
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 6: And you know, there is some form of relief.

621
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 3: I would say, with it, because you don't want to

622
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 3: see this person that you love suffer for so long,

623
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 3: and you know it's just it's over. It's sun and

624
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 3: you are all of a sudden looking at you know,

625
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 3: your life after this thing has happened.

626
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: And how old was he?

627
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 6: So he was thirty seven.

628
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 3: And I know that there are a lot of people

629
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 3: who did not know just how sick he was.

630
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 6: He wanted to keep very private about it.

631
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 3: So I know that next day is some news is

632
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 3: going to get out and there are gonna be some questions.

633
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 3: And frankly, I again, I live in a two bedroom apartment.

634
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 3: I work a lot from home. I just didn't really

635
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 3: want to be home that day.

636
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, setting by yourself.

637
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 3: Well, and you know it was late July and New

638
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 3: York City, so it's the middle of summer. People are out, warm,

639
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 3: beautiful day, and I don't want to be sulking inside

640
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 3: my apartment. But I don't want to be anywhere else either.

641
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 3: I just don't want to be inside. Being inside felt

642
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 3: too restrictive. Yeah, And so I'd gotten the rocking backpack

643
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 3: through you. And I love walking around the city. I

644
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 3: love putting in music in my headphones and walking on

645
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 3: any day, I should add, And so I just get moving.

646
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 3: I just throw on the backpack and I get moving.

647
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: Where did you leave from your apartment.

648
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 6: My apartment's in Williamsburg, Brooklyn.

649
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: No direction of mind, no mileage, no just just I'm

650
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: gonna walk.

651
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm gonna walk.

652
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 3: I think sometime I was headed towards the Williamsburg Bridge

653
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 3: because I wanted to be I love going by the water.

654
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 3: And at a certain point, I'm going over the Williamsburg Bridge,

655
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 3: and I think to myself, you know what I've never done.

656
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 3: I've lived in New York for seventeen years, and I've

657
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 3: never walked over the Manhattan Bridge. And so you know

658
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 3: what I'm gonna do today. I'm gonna walk over the

659
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 3: Manhattan Bridge. And if only as a small reminder to

660
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 3: myself that even after this terrible thing happened, that there's

661
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 3: still new things I can do, new horizons to reach across, literally,

662
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 3: new bridges to cross.

663
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, and that there is more that is new and

664
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 6: wonderful ahead of this.

665
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 3: And again, I like, I wasn't in this despondently sad place.

666
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 3: I actually believed that I was relatively well adjusted the occasion.

667
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 3: I was going to therapy, I speaking with my friends

668
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 3: about it. But I when something shitty happens, you want

669
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 3: to derive meaning from it, sure, or just make it

670
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 3: less shitty, somehow ameliorate that shittiness.

671
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Speaker 1: Well, I think that's that reminds me of this research

672
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: on how we frame events. So there's this idea of

673
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: what story are you going to tell yourself about this

674
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:41,240
Speaker 1: bad thing that happened, this thing that just got thrown

675
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: in your life. It wasn't good. And there's two ways

676
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: that people frame things. There's what's called contamination stories, that

677
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: is to say, this bad thing happened, it's contaminating my life.

678
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: Everything is going to be bad thereafter. Or there's redemptive stories,

679
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 1: or this bad thing happened, but did I learn something

680
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,760
Speaker 1: from it? And can I at least see a lesson

681
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 1: and a path out of it where I could end

682
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: up better off or at least not broken by it.

683
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: And so to me, it sounds like you were almost

684
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: thinking that with the bridge metaphor.

685
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I would say it was both of those, right,

686
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 3: It was both of those.

687
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 6: Kinds of stories.

688
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 3: This thing happened to me, and also I'm going to

689
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 3: make something of it. And I should say to anybody

690
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,760
Speaker 3: listening to this, who thanks God, that kind of mentality

691
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 3: is amazing. I am not typically this person. I take

692
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 3: stuff on the chin pretty hard, and my mental and

693
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 3: emotional resilience is something that I still have to work on.

694
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 6: To this day.

695
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 3: If the people closest to me would say, I probably

696
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 3: get too affected by things. And also to that point

697
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 3: about the way we tell ourselves stories. I mean, Michael,

698
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 3: you're a journal list, You've worked in stories, you've written books.

699
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 6: You know me, and the way I relate to the

700
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 6: world is through story.

701
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, as you said that, I thought to myself, Yeah,

702
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 3: that it does feel like the way we frame our

703
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 3: life does break down into those two categories, both at

704
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,800
Speaker 3: the same time. But you mentioned you were going through both.

705
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: So were you going through mentally or are you going

706
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,879
Speaker 1: through kind of swings along all these steps.

707
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 3: Well, it was just like this, it was like, this

708
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 3: thing happened to me and I don't know what to

709
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 3: do with it. Yeah, right, and I'm angry. I wanted

710
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 3: the world to stop for me and to mourn with me. Yeah,

711
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 3: and I was angry that it didn't.

712
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're in the city. That place is never stopping.

713
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 3: Right, And then you know the cliche, it always happens

714
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 3: to the best ones. Yeah, it's like, why did this

715
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 3: happen to him and not? And here I pull out

716
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 3: my scroll of all the people who, all the villains

717
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 3: of this world who deserve what he got, Why.

718
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 6: Did it happen to them?

719
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 3: You know, your typical existential wonderings when faced with something

720
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 3: like that. And I think the reflective desire be it

721
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 3: out of some kind of guilt or some feeling of

722
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 3: obligation and duty to the person who had involved to

723
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 3: do something with it, rather than just be a schmuck

724
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 3: for whom something happens to and then they go on

725
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 3: with their lives. And also I should say, it occurs

726
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,879
Speaker 3: to me that it was a way of keeping him

727
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 3: close to me in that moment, as many things still are,

728
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 3: which is kind of I find how morning works in

729
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 3: a way is so much of the way we express

730
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 3: pain is trying to keep that pain close to us,

731
00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 3: because it's scary to go forward in life without this

732
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 3: thing that you've come to know so much, whether it's

733
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 3: a person and their love or the pain of losing them,

734
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 3: it is scary to move forward without those things.

735
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like for me, walking can sort of

736
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: serve as a metaphor that you do move forward, and

737
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: they'll be swings along the way where it sucks you

738
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 1: feel like hell, you'll also have highs and lows, and

739
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: that's kind of just like this metaphor for life. But

740
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: you're still moving forward in that direction, you know.

741
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 3: Right Cutting back to that day, that fateful day, I've

742
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 3: got the backpack on, I'm a crossing the Weddingsburg Bridge

743
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 3: and I'm going, I can't believe I've never walked across

744
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 3: the Manhattan Bridge. So today I'm going to do something different.

745
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 3: I'm going to walk across the Manhattan Bridge and the

746
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 3: Manhattan Bridge.

747
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 6: As far as bridges in.

748
00:38:56,040 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 3: New York go, it's not all that iconic between the

749
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 3: Williamsburg and the Brooklyn Bridge, the Brooklyn Bridge being the

750
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 3: most iconic one, the Williamsburg Bridge having arguably the best

751
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 3: walking and bicycling path, and the Manhattan Bridge is a

752
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 3: little less value hooed. I should say it's a mid

753
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 3: level bridge. It's a very like, well, I have a

754
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 3: view on this, Okay, let's hear it. I'm starting to

755
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 3: walk across the bridge and I was expecting the absolute worst,

756
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 3: which I would experience later that day. But I'm walking

757
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 3: across this bridge and I'm going, oh my god, you

758
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 3: know what I'm realizing about this bridge. I believe it

759
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 3: is the highest of all of the bridge heights in

760
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,280
Speaker 3: New York. But at the very least you are looking

761
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 3: over the Brooklyn Bridge. So it is the best view

762
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,919
Speaker 3: you're going to get, arguably, of the Brooklyn Bridge out

763
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 3: into New York Harbor.

764
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 6: It's a beautiful view.

765
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 3: The walking path is very small, the bic clean path

766
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 3: very small, but it's a beautiful view of the harbor.

767
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:57,760
Speaker 3: And so I'm standing in the middle of the bridge

768
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 3: looking at the view, going damn, this is nice, and

769
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 3: I'm so glad I did this. But you know what,

770
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 3: I've also never done, never walked across the Queensboro Bridge.

771
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 3: And I say to myself, well, I don't have that

772
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 3: much work to do today. I mean, I told my

773
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 3: coworkers that we had somebody was out, so I had

774
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 3: to answer a couple calls or something. But it's like,

775
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 3: I can spend the day doing this. I got enough

776
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 3: battery on my phone and listen to music. I'm not

777
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 3: that tired yet. What if I crossed all four of

778
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 3: the major bridges, the Walliensburg Bridge, the Manhattan Bridge, the

779
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 3: Brooklyn Bridge, and the Queensboro Bridge in one day?

780
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 6: Can I do it?

781
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 3: And I was, you know, I at that point was

782
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 3: a couple hours in and it did not feel all

783
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 3: that difficult to me. And so off I go across

784
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 3: the Manhattan Bridge into a neighborhood called Dumbo, which is

785
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 3: an acronym that stands for down under Manhattan Bridge Overpass,

786
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 3: and I start walking to the Brooklyn Bridge. And I

787
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 3: get on the Brooklyn Bridge and I cross the Brooklyn Bridge,

788
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 3: which is no matter what time of year, it is

789
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 3: virtually always touristy and insane and ridiculous.

790
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 6: You know, if the.

791
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 3: Williamsburg Bridge is like lovely in Assyrian Walk and the

792
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 3: Manhattan Bridge is just a tighter walk, a little bit

793
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 3: more rough around the edges, but still pretty calm, the

794
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 3: Brooklyn Bridge is always just teeming with people, you know,

795
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:30,240
Speaker 3: TikTokers and people selling stuff. And it's a different slice

796
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 3: in New York. And I think, well, I want to

797
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 3: stay by the water. This was one of my mistakes

798
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 3: or not, depending on how you see it. So I

799
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 3: go Doe east on Manhattan and I walk up the

800
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 3: side of Manhattan near the water. And this is the

801
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 3: longest part of the walk, because now I'm at the

802
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 3: bomb of Manhattan. So I'm going under the Manhattan Bridge

803
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 3: under the Williamsburg Bridge all the way up to fifty

804
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 3: seventh Street, and I don't know how many blocks it

805
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 3: is exactly from City Hall to fifty seventh Street where

806
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 3: the Queensboro bridges.

807
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: That's got to be only six miles.

808
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 3: Let's see, I'm doing the numbers right now. It says

809
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,879
Speaker 3: walking from the Brooklyn Bridge to the Queensboro Bridge, it's

810
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 3: approximately five point five to six miles. This route generally

811
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 3: falls a path along the East River, such as the

812
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 3: Second Avenue or East with River Greenway. So I definitely

813
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,240
Speaker 3: took the longest version of that, which was six miles. Okay,

814
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,720
Speaker 3: And it is now midday and the sun is beating

815
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 3: down on me. I'm starting to feel it summer humid,

816
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 3: middle of the summer, and I've got this backpack on

817
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:35,479
Speaker 3: my back.

818
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, twounds something like that.

819
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 3: So now I'm stopping at a park or two to

820
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 3: take a sit. I get up to the Queensboro Bridge,

821
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 3: which I have again never crossed doing something new. I

822
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:51,760
Speaker 3: cannot in good faith recommend walking across the Queensboro Bridge

823
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 3: because the walking and biking biking paths are one and

824
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 3: the same. You're at level with the cars, so you're

825
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 3: basically just a huff and smog, and when it drops

826
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 3: you off, it drops you off in the middle of Queens. Now,

827
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 3: if you are a touristing New York and you tell

828
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 3: me you're going to this part of New York, I'm

829
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 3: probably convinced that you're either lost or you've done something

830
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 3: terribly wrong in your trip planning.

831
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

832
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 3: I walk off the Queensboro Bridge and now I'm in

833
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 3: Long Island City. Long Island City was actually the first

834
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 3: neighborhood I moved to in New York, and I moved

835
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 3: there with Henry in two thousand and five. We shared

836
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 3: a It was a one bedroom apartment. The girl who

837
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 3: lived there took the bedroom. We were sleeping on mattresses

838
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 3: on the floor of the living room.

839
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 6: Awesome.

840
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,280
Speaker 1: How far did you end up walking the entire day?

841
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 3: Well, once I got to Queens I was like, all right,

842
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 3: home stretch. Yeah, So I walked over the Pulawski Bridge

843
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 3: that connects Long Island City to Greenpoint. That's about forty

844
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 3: five minutes from my place. And I got there and

845
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 3: I said, well, you're already here, you might as well

846
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 3: do the full lap. I instead chose to walk south

847
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 3: along the Green Point in Williamsburg Waterfront all the way

848
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 3: back to the base of the Williamsburg Bridge and then

849
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 3: walk home, which is about twenty minutes for my place.

850
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 3: So as opposed to walking forty minutes from Greenpoint back

851
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 3: to my place, I threw on another forty minutes plus

852
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 3: the twenty it takes to get from Williamsburg back to mine,

853
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 3: and at that point it was about twenty five or

854
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:34,720
Speaker 3: twenty four miles.

855
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 6: Then I get home.

856
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 3: I take the bag off. Holy shit, I've never felt

857
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 3: anything like that felt wait, it was, well, just immediately

858
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 3: I knew that. Typically for anybody who's used a rucking backpack,

859
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 3: you know the feeling of you take off the bag.

860
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:55,879
Speaker 3: You feel a sense of like relief and lighter. It's

861
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 3: like when you're done doing a heavy set of lifting weights.

862
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 3: Your arms feel a little bit more nimble and area

863
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 3: and like they can move through air a little bit

864
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 3: more quickly. Same thing when you take off a rocking

865
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 3: backpack after like a normal ruck I take off the

866
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 3: rocking backpack.

867
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 6: I do not feel that. I just feel sore.

868
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, like what have I done? I love the moment

869
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 1: where you.

870
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 2: Go.

871
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: I've never crossed all the bridges. What if I gave

872
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 1: it a shot like that insight. I wonder where that

873
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 1: came from. Where you're kind of doing something that's you know,

874
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 1: you're pushing your edge a little bit and you just go, yeah,

875
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: but how much farther can I take this thing? That's

876
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: the best. I've had a few of those moments in

877
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: my life where I'm out doing something you just go,

878
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: what if I just keep going, Let's see what happens.

879
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 1: And it's like you go into this unexplored zone where

880
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 1: you're going to test this thing and see what you

881
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: maybe learn from it along the way. And I personally

882
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: have found it's great for ideas, it's great for just

883
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: kind of thinking. I mean especially and I haven't done

884
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 1: it after something that significant of my life happened, like

885
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: the loss of a friend or something. But I can

886
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:13,800
Speaker 1: say I gain a lot of insights from good example,

887
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: when I did this crazy long hike in you saw

888
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: It last year, I came to like the center of

889
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: my life and what I want to do with it

890
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: and how I'm spending my time. And that would not

891
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 1: have happened if I were to just take an hour

892
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: long walk around my house. It's like I had to

893
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: really get out and get the time under my feet

894
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 1: and let my mind just wander and go places, and

895
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,280
Speaker 1: it found where it needed to go, and I learned

896
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: some things.

897
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 3: I wish those moments would happen more in my life totally.

898
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,919
Speaker 3: It was so inadvertent, and it was born out of

899
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 3: it was born out of I literally don't want to

900
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 3: be in the house anymore. Yeah, And it was a

901
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 3: variation on the line you don't have to go home,

902
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,479
Speaker 3: but you can't stay here. I didn't want to go home.

903
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 3: I didn't want to stay where I was. And so

904
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 3: is truly this moment of like what if I just

905
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 3: do this? And you saying that that's really interesting? Like

906
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 3: how often in life do we want to break out

907
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 3: of the pattern and the thing that we're doing to

908
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 3: get somewhere else. I wish I could come across those

909
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 3: moments every day. I wish I could break my routines

910
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 3: with the moxie of wanting to change shit up and

911
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 3: the impetus to just try something and then go with

912
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 3: it totally. And here I should mention that I did

913
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 3: it a second year. And what I'm going to do

914
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 3: is I'm going to walk across different bridges, so I

915
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 3: load up the backpack, I fill it with a couple

916
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 3: frozen bottles of ice water. It is even hotter this

917
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 3: day than it was the year before. It is scorching.

918
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 3: The bridges I end up crossing are mostly in Brooklyn

919
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 3: and Queens Yeah, And the only public transport I took

920
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 3: during this day was until I got to my final destination,

921
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 3: the tram that takes you from Roosevelt Island down to

922
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:10,240
Speaker 3: the Queensboro Bridge.

923
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 6: I walk.

924
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 3: And also, I'd never been on Roosevelt Island at this point,

925
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 3: lived in New York for you know, nineteen years, eighteen

926
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 3: years at this point, never been on Roosevelt Island, never

927
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 3: been on any of these bridges either. There's a reason

928
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 3: for that. So I take the tram, I walk across

929
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 3: Central Park.

930
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:29,760
Speaker 6: I walk across the Bow Bridge, which goes over.

931
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 3: The pond in Central Park. It is, fun fact, the

932
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 3: shortest pedestrian bridge in New York City and one of

933
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 3: the oldest. And then I decide, here's what I'm gonna do.

934
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 3: I'm going to walk all the way up to the

935
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 3: George Washington Bridge from what fifty seventh Street in Central Park.

936
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 3: I walk all the way to the top of Central Park.

937
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 3: Never done that fifty eighth Street, or at the wherever

938
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 3: I was at the top of Central Park, whatever block

939
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 3: that is one hundred and tenth Street. Maybe it's where

940
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 3: you start tripping over needles in the park. You're you're

941
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 3: on the west side, climbing up through Harlem. It is hot.

942
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 3: I was walking into Bodega's looking like oh, and I

943
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,439
Speaker 3: also had my camera with me and added a couple

944
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 3: of pounds. I mean, I was soaked in sweat, caked

945
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 3: in dirt. I looked like I was trying to give

946
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 3: myself dehydration and what is it, rabbo dialosis or whatever

947
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:31,359
Speaker 3: whatever the condition is where your muscles start breaking down

948
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 3: and poisoning your body. For sure, rabo. Yeah, looked like

949
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 3: I was trying to give myself that.

950
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: I will say. The nice thing about walking around New

951
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 1: York is plenty of resources. You know, if you're not

952
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: doing it in the wilderness, you're like shit, I ran

953
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: out of water, I ran out of food. What am

954
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: I going to do?

955
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 6: There's a bodega right there.

956
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 1: There's a bodega right there. He's got everything you could

957
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: ever need.

958
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:53,280
Speaker 6: That's that is correct.

959
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 3: And and so I get all the way up to

960
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 3: the George Washington Bridge, which is well at the top

961
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 3: of Manhattan. The George Washington Bridge connects New Jersey to Manhattan.

962
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 3: And I get up to it and I am, I'm

963
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 3: just cooked. And I walk across the George Washington Bridge,

964
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 3: which is, as far as bridges go, probably the most

965
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 3: like epic and insane bridge of them all. Traffics going

966
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 3: right by you. You are very high up. You're looking

967
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 3: up the Hudson River to the Hudson Valley down at

968
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,760
Speaker 3: the rest of Manhattan. It's pretty epic, but it's also

969
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 3: you're walking to New Jersey. And so I get to

970
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 3: the line in the sidewalk that says New York and

971
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 3: then there's a line that says New Jersey and I

972
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 3: look at it and I say, fuck this. No I

973
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 3: believe I said to myself, fuck New Jersey. And I

974
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 3: turn around start walking back, and I get about fifty

975
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 3: feet and I go, if you don't cross this bridge

976
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 3: and get all the way of the New the New

977
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,800
Speaker 3: Jersey side and back, this will haunt you for the rest.

978
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 6: Of your life.

979
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 1: Gotta finish, gotta finish.

980
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 3: So I truck it, go all the way over to the

981
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 3: New Jersey side, look at it.

982
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 1: Experience a little bit of New Jersey trauma. If you're

983
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 1: going to go up to the edge of the wasteland,

984
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 1: you just gotta get in take a peek.

985
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 6: Listen.

986
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 3: I put a foot in that was more than enough.

987
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 3: And then I turned around and hiked back. And then

988
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 3: I got on the A train and took it all

989
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 3: the way down to fourteenth Street, got on the L

990
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 3: took it back to my place. And if I was

991
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 3: sore the year before this time, I.

992
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 6: Was cooked cooked.

993
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 3: I mean I must have been sore for three days

994
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 3: after I it was. It went from being an enjoyable, fun,

995
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:52,879
Speaker 3: ritual discovery to this moby dick like hunt for new

996
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 3: experiences that cost me body, mind, and soul.

997
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:01,720
Speaker 1: So what did you learn in totality from this? Because

998
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 1: we set this up by you're not a person who

999
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 1: would normally do this. Something prompted this that wasn't what

1000
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 1: you would hope for.

1001
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 6: I mean, listen, I am.

1002
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 3: I am, like many of your adherents, deranged enough to

1003
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 3: put on a backpack full of weight for the sake of.

1004
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: Doing so heavy, for the syc of being heavy.

1005
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 3: I learned exactly the thing that I set out to,

1006
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 3: which was the new things are possible, and I would

1007
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 3: do well to internalize that. I think, if anything, I've

1008
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 3: failed to capitalize on that, maybe as much as I

1009
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 3: should or would have liked to. No, certainly as much

1010
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 3: as I should or would have liked to because and

1011
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 3: I already feel the cliche spilling out of me. But

1012
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 3: you don't really know what you're capable of until you

1013
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 3: try it. And it doesn't actually take that much to

1014
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 3: show you that or to demonstrate that. Literally, for me,

1015
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 3: it was just putting one foot in front of another

1016
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 3: and I did.

1017
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:12,240
Speaker 6: I did, and it was wonderful. And I don't want.

1018
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 3: To be prescriptive about this, but I think it would

1019
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 3: be a comment upon me to find more opportunities to

1020
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 3: do that. And I don't you know, it's it's like

1021
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 3: they say at financial firms, past performance does not indicate

1022
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 3: future results. So I don't want to make this promise

1023
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 3: to anybody, but I don't think most people are going

1024
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 3: to be the lesser for.

1025
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: It has just been talking and kind of telling this

1026
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:41,320
Speaker 1: larger story. There was a guy who helped me get sober,

1027
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 1: like the most influential person in that journey, and he

1028
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 1: got diagnosed with stage four colon cancer, similar to you,

1029
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 1: he goes. I was in the house. I didn't want

1030
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 1: to be in the house. I didn't really want to

1031
00:53:56,719 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: be anywhere else though, So I just went outside, took

1032
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 1: a walk, ended up taking a long walk, and he

1033
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: goes somewhere along that walk. I became okay with it.

1034
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 1: It is what it is. And he returned home with

1035
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: this totally different outlook. Now that dude knew we had

1036
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 1: stage four colon cancer once he started helping me. I

1037
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,359
Speaker 1: didn't know he had that until i'd met known him

1038
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: for like three months. And I think back to that

1039
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:31,320
Speaker 1: all the time, just the selflessness behind that, and also

1040
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 1: where that comes from. And I do think sometimes you

1041
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 1: need to go do something that allows you to process

1042
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 1: and reframe things. Yeah, and I think if you look

1043
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 1: at the grand history of humanity, walking has always been

1044
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:52,359
Speaker 1: one of those things. Why do people go on pilgrimage?

1045
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 1: Why do things happen mentally? You go on a walk

1046
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 1: and it appears as a physical act. It's not. It

1047
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 1: is a physical act, but it's more a mental exploration

1048
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:04,359
Speaker 1: in a way.

1049
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 3: I dare anybody listen to this, who visits New York

1050
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 3: City or Paris or London to go and put twenty

1051
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 3: thousand steps in near the center of those cities.

1052
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 6: Don't retrace any of them. Just twenty thousand.

1053
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:22,359
Speaker 3: They'll take you, by my account, you know, not two

1054
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,479
Speaker 3: hundred minutes, give or take so three hours. Your life

1055
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 3: will improve dramatically that I will guarantee, absent some tragedy

1056
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 3: or active God, there is just nothing like going for

1057
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:38,320
Speaker 3: a good walk.

1058
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 6: There really isn't.

1059
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,799
Speaker 1: Feels like a perfect note to end on Foster, Thanks

1060
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:43,800
Speaker 1: for coming on, man.

1061
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 3: Man my pleasure. What a joy, What a joy.

1062
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 1: All right, let's wrap things up, let's land the plane.

1063
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: So we have just talked to two people who are

1064
00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 1: talking about really extreme forms of walking. On one hand,

1065
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 1: we have this ridiculous Stephen King murderous scenario where these

1066
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: boys have to walk very far, and yes, it shows

1067
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 1: us that the human body is capable of walking extreme

1068
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 1: distances if we need to. On the other hand, we

1069
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: have Foster, who without any training, ended up rocking more

1070
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: than a marathon across New York City. These are unbelievable,

1071
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 1: inspiring forms of walking, but at the same time raises

1072
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:26,919
Speaker 1: a question, how many steps should you be getting day

1073
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 1: to day? I'm talking about in the trenches of daily life,

1074
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: where you're not taking on these giant challenges where you're

1075
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 1: just like, how many steps do I need in order

1076
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 1: to be healthy? Now here's what I'll say. You've probably

1077
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 1: heard the numbers ten thousand. Turns out that's a myth.

1078
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 1: So it was started by a Japanese pedometer manufacturer who

1079
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 1: named their pedometer the man Poquet, and that translates to

1080
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 1: the ten thousand steps meter. That number stuck. There's a

1081
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:59,399
Speaker 1: couple reasons for that. One, it's five figures rather than four. Two,

1082
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 1: it's very memorable, it's nice and round, and three it's

1083
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 1: enough walking that you actually have to get out and

1084
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 1: take a walk in order to hit it. So that

1085
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 1: number just sort of stuck. That's what everyone thought, Oh,

1086
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 1: that is the optimal number of steps a day. But

1087
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 1: then something happened. Scientists started digging into the data and

1088
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 1: they found that ten thousand steps isn't really the optimal number.

1089
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: So there are two ways to look at this. First,

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Speaker 1: there is a daily step count that is sort of

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Speaker 1: the bare minimum that you should get for health, and

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Speaker 1: the second is sort of an optimal number.

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Speaker 6: It's higher.

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Speaker 1: It gives you the greatest return on your health. At

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Speaker 1: the same time, it's quite a few steps. So the

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Speaker 1: first number, if you just want to hit the bare

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Speaker 1: minimum of health benefits, and this is backed by a

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Speaker 1: study in a Lancet. Plenty of other studies have looked

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Speaker 1: into this. Researchers generally fine that seven thousand steps a

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Speaker 1: day is an ideal number that lets you sort of

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Speaker 1: maximize your health benefits in the minimum amount of time possible.

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Speaker 1: So if you're pressed for time, your goal should be

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Speaker 1: seven thousand a day. That helps you ward off most diseases.

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Speaker 1: It reduces your risk of dying early. That is a

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Speaker 1: great number. That said, more is better, So if you

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Speaker 1: dive deeper into that data, the studies find that twelve

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Speaker 1: thousand steps a day allows you to absolutely maximize your

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Speaker 1: health benefits. And the catch is doing more than twelve thousand,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't seem to reduce your risk of disease any further.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't give you any more. Now that said, the

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Speaker 1: benefits of going from seven thousand to twelve thousand steps

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Speaker 1: a day, we're just a little bit better. It's not

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Speaker 1: like a crazy difference. So again seven thousand, if you

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Speaker 1: want to hit the bare minimum, twelve thousand will get

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Speaker 1: you a little more benefits. Of course, it's going to

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Speaker 1: take a lot more time and then the inevitable question

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Speaker 1: is okay, great, now that I know the real numbers,

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Speaker 1: how do I actually get that amount of steps let's

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Speaker 1: say seven thousand. Here's my advice. I think you should

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Speaker 1: look for ways that you can add walking into things

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Speaker 1: that you already have to do. One of my favorite

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Speaker 1: stories about this comes from this woman who reads my

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Speaker 1: two percent substack. Her name was Mary. She had a

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Speaker 1: desk job where she would take phone calls all day.

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Speaker 1: She was only getting two to three thousand steps a day.

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Speaker 1: What she did is she realized, oh, I do have

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Speaker 1: to take all these phone calls for work, but I

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Speaker 1: do not have to take them sitting. So she started

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Speaker 1: popping in headphones and taking her calls while walking, and

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Speaker 1: she was able to get well past seven thousand steps

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Speaker 1: a day. Nothing in her life changed except she started

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Speaker 1: taking those phone calls while walking. So the takeaway look

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Speaker 1: for easy ways to add more walking in your life.

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Speaker 1: As for me, and I may sound like a complete

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Speaker 1: and utter psychopath for saying this, I get about fourteen

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Speaker 1: thousand steps a day at the same time I'm not

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Speaker 1: necessarily trying to. Instead, I happen to have an absolutely

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Speaker 1: insane hunting dog named Duke. And if he doesn't get

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Speaker 1: the steps in, he is just going to go find

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Speaker 1: a mission in my house and it typically involves, i

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Speaker 1: don't know, pulling down a computer monitor or a coffee maker,

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Speaker 1: so he really incentivizes me to get in all those steps.

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Speaker 1: That is our show for today. Thanks for checking it out,

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Speaker 1: and thank you to Foster and Melissa for talking to

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Speaker 1: us about the power of walking. Do not forget to subscribe,

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Speaker 1: We would absolutely love that. As always, in closing, have fun,

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Speaker 1: don't die.