WEBVTT - Marvel's Moon Knight Premiere 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:04.120 Warning, This podcast contains spoilers for the limited series Moonnight 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:07.440 on Disney, plus a bunch of stuff from Moonnight Comics, 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:10.360 also West Coast Avengers, some Spider Man, No Way Home, 0:00:10.640 --> 0:00:31.880 and Marvel movies in general. Hello, my name is Jason 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:34.479 stepsi Ow and welcome to x ray Vision The Crooked Podcast, 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:39.920 where we dive deep do your favorite shows, movies, comics 0:00:39.920 --> 0:00:45.879 and pop culture. In today's episode, previously on we recap 0:00:45.960 --> 0:00:49.760 Moonnight episode one, the Goldfish Problem in the Airlock. We 0:00:49.800 --> 0:00:52.680 dive into our thoughts on the episode, some comics history 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:56.360 about the character Rosie, will unpack who some of these 0:00:56.760 --> 0:00:58.880 folks are that we are seeing in the Moon Night 0:00:58.920 --> 0:01:02.680 television program, and we will discuss theories about what we 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:07.240 think is going on. For nerd Out on Marlon James's 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:10.119 novel Black Leopard, Red Wolf, It's really great. Actually, that's 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:10.560 a great thing. 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:11.800 I love that book. 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:12.880 I love it. 0:01:13.160 --> 0:01:18.959 And in the endgame we discuss which mythical god's powers 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:22.160 we would like to bogart for ourselves. Joining me today 0:01:22.200 --> 0:01:25.760 to discuss this and more is the great, the powerful, 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:30.160 the talented Rosie moon Night. 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:34.200 It's me when I have Twitter, that was my name 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:35.160 at least once. 0:01:34.959 --> 0:01:39.240 A year at least once a Yeah, Rosie, how are you? 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:40.200 Yeah good? 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:42.000 I'm excited to be here to talk to you about 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:44.959 all this cool stuff and dig into some really weird comics, 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:46.320 really weird. 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:50.520 Oh man, I've been reading a bunch of we'll talk 0:01:50.520 --> 0:01:53.000 about it. We'll talk about it when we talk about it. 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:59.760 Let's get into the recap. Okay, recapping Moonnight, Episode one, 0:01:59.840 --> 0:02:03.640 The Goldfish Problem, written by Jeremy Sladerdricht by Mohammed Diab. 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:07.520 We hear the strains of the Bob Dylan song every 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:11.480 grain of Sand, and along with this we see hands 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:16.919 breaking glass, pouring the shards of glass into a pair 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:20.359 of rattan slippers. This person who's breaking the glass then 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:24.760 shoves his feet down in the slippers like an absolute psycho. 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:28.919 We know we're dealing right away with a psycho, Rosie. 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:32.200 This person then stands up to the crunching of glass 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:36.480 and then takes a walk. And then as the camera 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:39.160 pulls out, we see that we're inside some kind of 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:42.240 large what we would assume is a temple of some kind, 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:44.400 and we can tell from the shot that that is 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:47.800 Ethan Hawk, who is playing Arthur Harrow, the villain of 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:52.400 our series Smash Cut, Stephen Grant wakes up in bed. 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:55.079 He removes the shackle from his own. 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:57.640 Ankle, which is tied to a load bearing pillar in 0:02:57.680 --> 0:03:01.600 his apartment. He then goes around his apartment and we 0:03:01.639 --> 0:03:04.840 see that he's placed sand around his bed so that 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:07.280 he knows if he stood up in the night and left. 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:08.919 He has placed a. 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:12.720 Blue painter's tape on his door so that he can 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:15.880 tell if someone's come in or if he has left, 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:19.760 and all of that stuff seems undisturbed, groggy from lack 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:22.200 of sleep. Clearly there's a person who's not getting a 0:03:22.280 --> 0:03:27.160 RESTful night of sleep. He's got we would assume from 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:32.640 this like the Mike Birbiglia sleep issue, where he just 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:35.920 will run around in the middle of the night, groggy 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:38.840 from lack of sleep. Stephen goes to his job, which 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:42.400 we see is in the gift shop at the British Museum. 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:44.000 Are they calling it the British Museum. 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:48.880 So this is very specific London Easter exit. The exterior 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:51.880 that they use is of the National Gallery, which is 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:55.040 Intra Square where we see him leaves. Now. The interior 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:58.600 is the British Museum, which has very recognizable gift shops, 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:01.200 and I think that at some point in the show 0:04:01.240 --> 0:04:03.360 they name it as something like the National Art. 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:04.960 Gallery, but it is not wrong to say it's in 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:05.680 the British Museum. 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:09.560 And I will say it's very interesting because we also 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:12.000 saw them use the British Museum as a location in 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:14.960 Doctor Strange and The Multibus of Madness, most recent trailer. 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:17.359 So yeah, he's got he's a gift shop. He's a 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:19.359 gift shoppist at the museum, is what. 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:21.240 He's a gift shopist. 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:25.160 But Stephen Stevie, to his colleagues, is a bit of 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:32.360 an amateur historian, specifically Egyptology. We learn from his conversations 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:35.720 with a young museum goer that man Stevie really knows 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:40.400 is shit. He knows what's going on, specifically about the 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:42.760 history of ancient Egypt. He would love to be a 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:46.040 tour guide, but here he is stuck in marketing and promotions, 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:49.520 which we can just shorten to gift shop. One of 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:52.040 his co workers comes over as he's working at the 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:54.240 gift shop to confirm that they do indeed have a 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:57.200 date at one of the best steakhouses in town. And 0:04:57.240 --> 0:05:02.480 it's very clear that Stevie a k. Stephen doesn't know 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:05.800 what she's talking about and doesn't recall asking her out, 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:08.880 isn't sure who asked who out. That night, after work, 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:11.560 Stephen goes to get some street food. He's hanging out 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:14.599 in the park talking the ear off a street performer, 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:17.359 one of those street performers who like spray paints themselves 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:20.720 a metallic color and then pretends to be a statue. 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:24.320 Who do we now we're stepping on our later? Who 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:25.200 are these characters? 0:05:25.279 --> 0:05:25.679 Rosie? 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:27.719 But like you had a good theory on who this 0:05:27.839 --> 0:05:29.320 might be, and I think I agree with you. 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:33.440 So. In the comics from quite early on in the eighties, 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:36.479 Moonnight has a kind of an ally who is like 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:40.279 a homeless man who is a Sometimes he's kind of 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:44.159 the Watson to Jake Lockley, one of Mark Spector's personalities, 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:48.320 kind of sidekick, and sometimes he's more of just like 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:50.839 an informant who hears things from the street. Because the 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:54.840 original representation of Moonnight's different personas were to help him 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:58.880 navigate through different class levels and spaces in the world. 0:05:59.080 --> 0:06:00.640 That character is Crawley. 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:03.320 He does not have a history of being a kind 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:06.760 of living statue as we see here, but he does 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:09.440 look a lot like the character in the comics, and 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:12.120 that is a credit for the actor who plays him 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:14.599 at the end of the show, which says Crawley, so 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:17.960 we can say that is him confirmed, confirmed, that is Crawley. 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:22.159 And hopefully I think that means that, even if we 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:24.200 don't get to see it here, I think Stephen is 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:26.480 gonna have an ally and that makes me excited. 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:29.840 When Stephen goes back home, we get to see more 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:32.560 of his sleep routine, pouring the sand around the bed, 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:34.840 taping the door shut, chaining and changing his leg up. 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:38.520 He lays in bed, throwing a Rubik's cube up up 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:40.960 in the air and catching it, trying to sleep, reading books, 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:44.960 listening to like a sleep tape that says, hey, you 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:48.279 can try imagining yourself as the character in a story, 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:50.320 or you could try this, or you could try that. 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:54.120 None of it works, said. He stays up reading about 0:06:54.120 --> 0:07:00.160 ancient Egypt, and then finally peaceful sleep comes over Steve 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:02.880 and he dozes, and when he awakes he's in the 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:06.360 Alps or somewhere in the mouse. 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:08.200 He says, he's in the Alps, and we'll get to 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:09.239 why that's the thing later. 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:11.760 And this is the fat Horra. This is the fast 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:12.920 horror moment as well. 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:14.400 Yes, so he's in the Alps. 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:17.520 His jaw is broken, but we watch it fix itself. 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:19.280 It is daytime. 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:23.200 Stephen doesn't remember anything about anything, how he came to 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:23.680 be here. 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:25.520 Nothing. 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:30.320 A voice that we will, I think soon come to 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:32.239 learn is kan Chu tells him. 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:35.160 Go back to sleep worm. You're not supposed to be here, 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:38.160 so render the body to Mark. And clearly that is 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:41.600 a reference to Mark Spector. Stephen, you know, going through 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:43.440 his pockets trying to figure out what the hell's going on, 0:07:43.560 --> 0:07:46.600 finds a golden scareb in his pocket. He looks up, 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:49.360 and two men in a castle step to take an 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:50.760 interest in him, and then all of a sudden they 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:52.640 start shooting him. They chase him down the mountain and 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:56.800 into town, and everyone in town in this small alpine 0:07:56.840 --> 0:07:59.600 village seems to be headed somewhere towards the village square. 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:02.280 And when they get to the village square, they are 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:07.320 all bowing in obeisance to our villain, Arthur Harrow. Arthur 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:09.960 says a bunch of stuff, including we are here to 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:13.760 make the earth as much like heaven as possible. We 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:16.120 can see from what's going on that Arthur is somehow 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:19.119 judging these people to see if they're worthy of entering 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:22.400 into this earth like heaven. A man steps forward, Harrow 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:25.640 leads him through the ritual and he judges that person 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:26.560 in Ohmit's name. 0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:28.040 Here's our first reference to. 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:31.960 Omit, this mis deity, omit that this person, this man 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:35.240 it steps forward, is a good man, has been judged 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:38.760 a good man by omen. A woman steps forward next, 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:41.520 and the scales of justice, which are a tattoo on 0:08:41.640 --> 0:08:45.160 Arthur Harrow's arm, turned red and the woman is clearly 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:47.920 not a good person, and harrow' says, Ahmed has decided 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:51.200 you got to die, my dear, and she drops dead. 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:52.480 Bye bye. 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:55.960 Harrow learns from the guards that are watching this take 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:59.320 place that something went wrong with the quote hand off, 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:04.000 and Harrow has his followers Neil leaving Steven the only 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:06.320 one standing and he's standing there slack jawed at what 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:06.800 he's seeing. 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:08.720 Harrow is like, oh, I recognize you. 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:12.680 You're the Mercenary, and recall in some of our previous 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:17.960 conversations about this character that one of the egos of 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:21.560 Moonnight is Mark Spector. This Mercenary character, he's kind of 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:26.960 the original personality of moon Night. Grant has no idea 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:29.920 what the fuck Arthur Arrow is talking about. He tells everyone, listen, 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:32.040 I work in the gift shop at the British Museum. 0:09:32.160 --> 0:09:35.800 Like what Harrow's like? Give me the scab and seems like, yeah, 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:37.400 you got it here, here you go, and he tries 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:39.440 to hand it over, but he hears Conshoy's voice, Hey, 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:41.839 you will give him nothing. And then Stephen tries he 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:46.040 might physically cannot hand the scarab over. He doesn't understand 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:48.120 why he can't do it. A man comes up and 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:51.920 snatches the scab from Stephen. Grant comes to a moment later, 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:55.280 his fists balled up, covered in blood, and people all 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:57.440 around him are just knocked the fuck out, and he 0:09:57.440 --> 0:10:01.240 hears his conscience voice say, oh, the idiots back and 0:10:01.640 --> 0:10:04.680 Stephen runs for it. Pursued by Harrow's followers. A car 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:08.560 chase ensues through the mountains, with Conshoot screaming at Stephen 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:11.240 to do this and that. Just when Steven is about 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:14.880 to get taken out because one of these followers of 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:19.400 Arthur Harrow has jumped onto the truck the van that 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:22.679 he is driving. He passes out again, and when he 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:27.280 wakes up more stuff has changed and This happens again 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:29.839 and again and again, and eventually a landslide takes out 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:32.520 a squad of the batties and Stephen wakes up in bed, 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:35.840 still chained by the leg his tape intact over the door. 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:39.319 Was this just a dream? What in the world is happening? 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:43.640 Stephen looks at his goldfish and he sees that the 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:47.840 fin that had fallen off been injured somehow, has grown back. 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:51.160 What is going on? Realizing he is late for that 0:10:51.520 --> 0:10:54.760 date with Dylan, Stephen rushes to his flat to change. 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:57.960 At the restaurant, he has been stood up by the date. 0:10:58.440 --> 0:10:59.040 He calls her. 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:02.280 She's irate, of course, saying that actually you stood me up. 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:04.400 And he has no idea what date is? What the 0:11:04.400 --> 0:11:06.520 fuck is going on? His date is ruined, the date 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:08.280 that he didn't even plan. He didn't even know who 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:10.640 asked who're out? He goes home to eat a box 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:14.600 of chocolates alone. While he's home, he finds a secret 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:18.520 compartment in his living room, up in the ceiling above 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:21.559 the waynscotting high on the wall. Rather, he finds another 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:25.360 secret compartment, and inside that is a burner, flip phone 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:28.520 and an ID card. All the calls on the phone 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:32.080 go to a number that is listed as Leila phone rings. 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:36.079 A not British voice says, oh my god, thank god 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:38.680 you're alive. And she's like, I haven't where have you been. 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:41.240 I haven't heard from you in months? What's going on? 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:44.240 And he's like, who's this and she's like, why are 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:47.800 you talking like that? In a bad British accent, and 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:50.800 she calls him Mark and then the call disconnects. Stephen 0:11:50.800 --> 0:11:53.679 then hears a voice which is his own voice, talking 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:55.520 to him and it tells him that he needs to 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:59.640 stop because he's going to get himself into trouble. Stephen then, 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:02.520 very very troubled, runs out of his apartment. He goes 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:06.120 into the elevator. While he's on the elevator, he sees 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:08.800 Conshu coming towards him and he's like in a puddle 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:10.400 of fear at the bottom of the elevator. 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:11.120 He's screaming. 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:14.439 But then it turns out that actually it's an old 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:15.559 woman who's on the elevator. 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:16.840 She's just as scared as he is. 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:19.840 And the very next thing Stephen knows is he's on 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:22.360 a city bus. 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:23.320 Screaming just a little bit. 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:26.720 As the bus pulls away, Steven sees that Arthur Harrow 0:12:26.800 --> 0:12:30.000 was on the bus, and Harrow appears to Stephen later 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:33.280 demanding the beatle. This is at the museum. Only Stephen 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:36.680 can see and hear Harrow, if indeed Haro is even real. 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:40.400 Harro wants the beatle returned to Ahmet Grant knows a 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:43.520 little about her. Harrow tells Stephen that Ahmett could have 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:46.120 solved all the world's problems if she had not been 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:49.520 portrayed Harro and knows about the voice. 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:51.280 That is speaking to Stephen, the Conchu. 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:54.600 Voice, and Harrow judges Stephen and says, there's chaos in you, 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:56.640 and Steven runs for it. Later in the gift shop, 0:12:57.280 --> 0:12:58.720 Stephen is tagging items. 0:12:58.720 --> 0:12:59.480 The lights go out. 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:03.640 He hears this beastly kind of sound somewhere in the museum. 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:07.880 Whining shadows in the museum start growing to monstrous sizes. 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:10.240 Harrow comes over the pa He's like, give me the 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:13.240 scaub or Steven will be torn apart. Steven runs from 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:18.320 the monstrous creature. Mark Spector, Steven's alter ego, demands control 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:22.680 of the body, and then we flash too. As Steven 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:27.160 is running, we flash to all of a sudden, Stephen 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:30.559 is in full Moonnight costume, but now we know it's Mark, 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:35.320 and Mark has just fought the beast and won. That 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:39.400 is how the first episode of Moonnight ends. When we 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:41.520 come back, we will be discussing what the hell all 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:56.319 this means. We're stepping out of the air, locked to 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:59.520 dive deeper into the world of Moonnight. Rosie, what did 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:00.800 you think of this episode? 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:03.200 I feel like this was always going to be a 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:06.319 complex It's going to be tough to start. It was 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:09.120 gonna be tough to start, and there are some things 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:12.320 about the show and kind of the representation of Stephen 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:16.160 that I didn't love. I felt like his struggles were 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:18.040 kind of played for laughs, and I felt like people 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:19.200 were a little bit mean to him. 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:20.640 And I'm just the sweet guy. 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:24.240 Who likes nice stuff, so I was like, But the 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:26.000 thing that gives me hope is it's doing the thing 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:28.720 that all my favorite MCU shows do, which is it's 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:32.840 really deeply taking from some incredibly weird comics and some 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:35.480 super comics. So it's very much in the vein of 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:39.680 Hawkeye and One Division in deeply taking stuff and plucking 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:44.080 out characters and reimagining them. And I will always respect 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:47.960 any superhero show that only shows like five seconds of 0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:49.000 a superhero suit. 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:50.880 I think that is very brave. What did you think 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:51.280 about it? 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:53.160 Here's the thing about Moon Night. We've said this before 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:54.200 on her podcast. 0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:57.360 Moonnight is a character that I think you could argue 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:02.120 is about vibes. Purely about vibes. There's never and your 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:04.800 mileage may vary. If someone feels differently and has a 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:08.640 different opinion, that's absolutely valid. But having read all of 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:12.760 the Moon Nights, there's not really like a hammer Moon 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:16.000 Night story. There's not like the iconic Moonnight tale, the 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:17.000 great Moon Night Story. 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:17.800 The character has been. 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:23.720 Significantly changed almost every time he's appeared, you know, from 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:28.400 his first appearance appearance in his solo in Werewolf by Night, 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:32.600 to his solo titles, to his then revamped solo titles 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:36.800 West Coast Avengers, and his several other launch solo titles 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:39.960 after his appearances in West Coast of Vegersies, He's changed 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:44.120 almost every time, and there's never really been that great, great, 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:49.360 great arc. I think mainly because he also doesn't have 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:54.920 like his early villains were very problematic and he doesn't 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:59.720 really have that great foil to fight, so it was 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:03.040 in interesting at least for me, to reflect on how 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:08.040 Moonnight Episode one was very much how I would imagine 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:11.520 an adaptation of Moonnight taking place. It was pretty messy, 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:15.000 it was all about vibes. There was something really intriguing 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:17.680 about it, and I'm interested to see where it goes. 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:20.240 I think that I think that there's a chance for 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:22.680 this to be really really interesting in the way that 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:27.560 it intersects with the kind of ongoing and existing MCU 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:30.840 which we are going to talk about shortly. But first 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:34.160 let's let's talk about who some of these people were seeing. 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:36.760 Here are some of these characters. 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:39.600 I actually think your villain you're kind of talking about, 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:41.960 like the foil and everything. That's a really good place 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:44.360 to launch off, because what Moonnight does here is it 0:16:44.440 --> 0:16:52.360 essentially creates wholesale a new villains for Moonnight. Now, Arthur 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:55.160 Harrow was in one issue at one issue. He was 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:58.000 in one issue ever, but this is the kind of 0:16:58.000 --> 0:17:01.800 thing I'm talking about. The show opens right and immediately 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:06.840 it is just filled with Arthur Harrow easter eggs. So 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:09.760 when we first meet Arthur Harrow in the show, he 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:12.720 is playing with the idea of pain. He's filling his 0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:15.159 shoes with a broken glass, you know, and in the 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:18.480 original comic where he debuted, he was a scientist who 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:22.919 was continuing Nazi experiments based on the idea of pain theory, 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:26.520 and he was in the Yucatan in this Mayan temple. 0:17:26.560 --> 0:17:28.399 It's a very problematic issue, like a lot of that 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:31.879 older stuff, the representation of different kinds of people, but 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:36.520 the temple, once again, you get that immediate deep cut. 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:38.840 So it's not that Arthur Harrow didn't exist. But what 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:41.560 they're doing is they're taking this name and this one 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:46.440 appearance and expanding it into something larger. And I think 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:49.640 that's really interesting, and obviously like it's Ethan Hawk, who 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:52.080 doesn't want to see him get to kind of redefine 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:55.440 this space. And something else that I think is really 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:59.960 interesting about this is it is the most prominent time 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:03.040 that we've seen Marvel do something that they've started to do, 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:04.120 especially Hawkeye. 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:05.200 We talked about it a lot. 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:09.680 They take these names of famous Marvel characters and they 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:14.199 recontextualize who they are as usually background characters, and that 0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:17.280 happened with Hawkeye's cosplaying crew, his LARPing crew. 0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:19.520 Right this we see. 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:22.760 Them take a minor character who appeared in one issue 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:26.880 and recontextualize it as a main villain, and that's something 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:29.320 we're going to see in Multiverse of Madness as well 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:31.640 with god Antos, who is only in a couple of issues. 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:35.680 So I think that's really interesting, and I really I'm 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:39.520 always interested in a story that explores like the mentality 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:43.440 of cults and how they play on the vulnerable and 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:46.359 how they take advice, and that definitely seems like what Ethan. 0:18:47.080 --> 0:18:49.560 Ethan's Arthur Harrow seems to be playing into that with 0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:52.199 Mark and kind of trying to take advantage of Stephen 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:54.240 feeling vulnerable and lost. So I think that is an 0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:58.320 interesting take. And we touched on Crawley, who's said by 0:18:58.520 --> 0:19:00.919 Sean Scott, so we think that's he's probably going to 0:19:00.920 --> 0:19:02.880 become an ally to Steven. 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:05.600 I would imagine when we get into the back half 0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:09.359 Exact series we will see more of a Crawley. 0:19:09.960 --> 0:19:10.280 Yeah. 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:13.480 And so then we get into some really interesting stuff 0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:17.960 that kind of jumps off the the Moon Night Hawkeye 0:19:17.960 --> 0:19:21.560 crossover kind of stuff. So Stephen's mean boss in the 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:25.600 museum who makes him do inventory, is credited as Donna, 0:19:25.640 --> 0:19:28.480 played by Lucy Thackeray, and she's like a very funny, 0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:33.720 like English like sassy character right now in the comics. 0:19:33.760 --> 0:19:38.600 This is another likely nod to a Moonlight character from 0:19:38.920 --> 0:19:43.359 the Mark Spector Moonnight series, which was the nineties Moonnight series, 0:19:43.880 --> 0:19:46.560 and she was introduced in issue thirty nine a woman 0:19:46.640 --> 0:19:51.120 called Donna Craft who's basically Mark Spector's head publicist at 0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:54.080 his huge corporation that he owns called Spector Corp. 0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:57.040 So they kind of rejig that here where she's just 0:19:57.119 --> 0:19:58.440 his boss at the museum. 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:01.160 But as we'll talk about later theories, I also think 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:04.160 there's some argument of like is the museum what we're 0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:06.960 really seeing or is it a version of Spectacorp that 0:20:07.000 --> 0:20:10.760 Mark might have perhaps created to keep an eye on 0:20:10.800 --> 0:20:12.080 Stephen when he's away. 0:20:13.119 --> 0:20:14.600 And also in another we'll talk. 0:20:14.480 --> 0:20:18.640 About this too, but like her first appearance is in 0:20:19.480 --> 0:20:27.080 an issue with where Doctor Doom challenges done to go 0:20:27.160 --> 0:20:29.960 to the Latviian consulate and in this kind of quest 0:20:30.000 --> 0:20:33.040 for a stolen relic, and that will become relevant. 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:35.280 We will talk about that more in a moment. 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:37.680 Yeah, I think that one of the biggest questions people 0:20:37.680 --> 0:20:41.640 are going to have coming out of this is at 0:20:41.640 --> 0:20:44.080 the end you mentioned, you know, we hear him on 0:20:44.119 --> 0:20:47.960 the phone to this person who doesn't sound English who 0:20:48.080 --> 0:20:50.320 is called Leila, and in the credits we see that 0:20:50.400 --> 0:20:53.959 she's called Leila el Faoli, and there is not a 0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:58.160 Marvel character who has that direct name. But the first 0:20:58.200 --> 0:21:00.520 most obvious one that I think if people have read 0:21:00.560 --> 0:21:03.320 Moonlight comics, they will probably realize that she seems to 0:21:03.359 --> 0:21:06.760 be likely will become a stand in for Marlene, who 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:09.679 is Moonnight's on again, off again kind of lover, partner 0:21:09.760 --> 0:21:12.520 in crime, fellow adventurer, and some primo shots have kind 0:21:12.520 --> 0:21:14.840 of hinted at that. But there's some other things as well. 0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:17.439 There's a Marvel character called Lilah who was in the 0:21:17.440 --> 0:21:19.359 Moonlight comics who was more of kind of like a 0:21:19.359 --> 0:21:21.480