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Speaker 1: Warning, This podcast contains spoilers for the limited series Moonnight

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Speaker 1: on Disney, plus a bunch of stuff from Moonnight Comics,

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Speaker 1: also West Coast Avengers, some Spider Man, No Way Home,

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Speaker 1: and Marvel movies in general. Hello, my name is Jason

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Speaker 1: stepsi Ow and welcome to x ray Vision The Crooked Podcast,

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Speaker 1: where we dive deep do your favorite shows, movies, comics

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Speaker 1: and pop culture. In today's episode, previously on we recap

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Speaker 1: Moonnight episode one, the Goldfish Problem in the Airlock. We

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Speaker 1: dive into our thoughts on the episode, some comics history

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Speaker 1: about the character Rosie, will unpack who some of these

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Speaker 1: folks are that we are seeing in the Moon Night

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Speaker 1: television program, and we will discuss theories about what we

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Speaker 1: think is going on. For nerd Out on Marlon James's

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Speaker 1: novel Black Leopard, Red Wolf, It's really great. Actually, that's

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Speaker 1: a great thing.

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Speaker 2: I love that book.

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 1: And in the endgame we discuss which mythical god's powers

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Speaker 1: we would like to bogart for ourselves. Joining me today

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Speaker 1: to discuss this and more is the great, the powerful,

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Speaker 1: the talented Rosie moon Night.

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Speaker 2: It's me when I have Twitter, that was my name

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Speaker 2: at least once.

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Speaker 3: A year at least once a Yeah, Rosie, how are you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah good?

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Speaker 4: I'm excited to be here to talk to you about

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Speaker 4: all this cool stuff and dig into some really weird comics,

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Speaker 4: really weird.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, I've been reading a bunch of we'll talk

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Speaker 1: about it. We'll talk about it when we talk about it.

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Speaker 1: Let's get into the recap. Okay, recapping Moonnight, Episode one,

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Speaker 1: The Goldfish Problem, written by Jeremy Sladerdricht by Mohammed Diab.

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Speaker 1: We hear the strains of the Bob Dylan song every

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Speaker 1: grain of Sand, and along with this we see hands

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Speaker 1: of rattan slippers. This person who's breaking the glass then

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Speaker 1: We know we're dealing right away with a psycho, Rosie.

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Speaker 1: This person then stands up to the crunching of glass

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Speaker 1: Ethan Hawk, who is playing Arthur Harrow, the villain of

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Speaker 1: our series Smash Cut, Stephen Grant wakes up in bed.

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Speaker 3: He removes the shackle from his own.

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Speaker 1: Blue painter's tape on his door so that he can

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Speaker 1: and all of that stuff seems undisturbed, groggy from lack

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Speaker 1: this like the Mike Birbiglia sleep issue, where he just

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Speaker 1: we see is in the gift shop at the British Museum.

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Speaker 1: Are they calling it the British Museum.

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Speaker 4: So this is very specific London Easter exit. The exterior

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Speaker 4: Intra Square where we see him leaves. Now. The interior

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Speaker 4: And I will say it's very interesting because we also

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Speaker 4: So yeah, he's got he's a gift shop. He's a

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Speaker 1: But Stephen Stevie, to his colleagues, is a bit of

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Speaker 1: with a young museum goer that man Stevie really knows

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Speaker 1: Stephen goes to get some street food. He's hanging out

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Speaker 1: But like you had a good theory on who this

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Speaker 4: So. In the comics from quite early on in the eighties,

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Speaker 4: Moonnight has a kind of an ally who is like

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Speaker 4: a homeless man who is a Sometimes he's kind of

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Speaker 4: the Watson to Jake Lockley, one of Mark Spector's personalities,

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Speaker 4: original representation of Moonnight's different personas were to help him

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Speaker 2: That character is Crawley.

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Speaker 4: He does not have a history of being a kind

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Speaker 4: that is a credit for the actor who plays him

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Speaker 4: And hopefully I think that means that, even if we

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Speaker 1: When Stephen goes back home, we get to see more

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Speaker 1: can try imagining yourself as the character in a story,

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Speaker 1: None of it works, said. He stays up reading about

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Speaker 4: He says, he's in the Alps, and we'll get to

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Speaker 2: And this is the fat Horra. This is the fast

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Speaker 3: Yes, so he's in the Alps.

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Speaker 1: His jaw is broken, but we watch it fix itself.

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Speaker 3: It is daytime.

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Speaker 1: Stephen doesn't remember anything about anything, how he came to

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Speaker 5: Go back to sleep worm. You're not supposed to be here,

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Speaker 5: so render the body to Mark. And clearly that is

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Speaker 5: a reference to Mark Spector. Stephen, you know, going through

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Speaker 5: into this earth like heaven. A man steps forward, Harrow

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Speaker 1: Omit, this mis deity, omit that this person, this man

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Speaker 1: Arthur Harrow's arm, turned red and the woman is clearly

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Speaker 1: Harrow learns from the guards that are watching this take

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Speaker 3: Harrow is like, oh, I recognize you.

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Speaker 1: You're the Mercenary, and recall in some of our previous

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Speaker 1: his fists balled up, covered in blood, and people all

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Speaker 1: Stephen runs for it. Pursued by Harrow's followers. A car

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Speaker 1: chase ensues through the mountains, with Conshoot screaming at Stephen

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Speaker 1: Was this just a dream? What in the world is happening?

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Speaker 1: Stephen looks at his goldfish and he sees that the

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Speaker 1: What is going on? Realizing he is late for that

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Speaker 3: At the restaurant, he has been stood up by the date.

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Speaker 3: He calls her.

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Speaker 1: She's irate, of course, saying that actually you stood me up.

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Speaker 1: And he has no idea what date is? What the

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Speaker 1: that he didn't even plan. He didn't even know who

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Speaker 3: Here's the thing about Moon Night. We've said this before

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Speaker 4: of reclaim the things that have been stolen through colonialism

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00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:19,160
Speaker 4: and all that kind.

438
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Speaker 2: Of stuff, which is really cool and is also what

439
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 2: people do.

440
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,879
Speaker 4: You remember when everyone wanted to like cast oscar Isaac

441
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 4: as Indiana Jones and they were like, just do it

442
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 4: where he's Indiana Jones, but he's stealing.

443
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,880
Speaker 2: This stuff back. Yeah, And I was like, that sounds good.

444
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 2: So I think they're gonna play a little bit with that, And.

445
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:40,120
Speaker 1: That's been a you know of when Killmonger first appears

446
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 1: in Black Panther, that's the kind of vibe that he

447
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,440
Speaker 1: put forth, is like, this is a lot of these

448
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,439
Speaker 1: artifacts and these objects have been stolen, and it is

449
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,679
Speaker 1: interesting also to note that we've just been spending a

450
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,439
Speaker 1: lot of time in museums. So whether it's Black Panther

451
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 1: or the Eternals or Doctor Stranger in the Multiverse matters,

452
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,119
Speaker 1: We're going to do it. Clearly, We're doing it here.

453
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 3: Rosie.

454
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about theories are theories about what is possibly

455
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:06,399
Speaker 1: going on.

456
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 3: So I had texted you as I.

457
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 1: Was watching this, and well, first of all, we should

458
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 1: say that in recent iterations of the character Mark Spector,

459
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 1: the Moonnight has been depicted as someone who is suffering

460
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 1: from a form of disassociative personality disorder, did yeah, formerly

461
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 1: called multiple personality disorder.

462
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:34,880
Speaker 3: This kind of evolved over time.

463
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 1: Originally, as you noted, Moonnight had a number of aliases

464
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 1: that he used to kind of like break down class

465
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 1: structure and allow him to understand what was going on

466
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 1: in the criminal underworld, right, he had a cab driver character,

467
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:54,159
Speaker 1: he had the billionnaire, his millionaire slash billionaire rich guy character,

468
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:55,880
Speaker 1: and then he had like some other ones.

469
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Speaker 4: So originally they said it was like psychic trauma from

470
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 4: connecting with kN split his personalities. In the nineties they

471
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 4: would kind of occasionally refer to it as schizophrenia.

472
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 2: And then the first time that it.

473
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 4: Was really like DD as disassociated identity sort of was

474
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Speaker 4: like in the mid Zeros when Bendis brought him into

475
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 4: the Old Universe, and from there it just kept evolving

476
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 4: and went from kind of a narrative device to some

477
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 4: people actually like explored it as part of who he was,

478
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,439
Speaker 4: and that has been like a core tenant of the

479
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 4: character under many different names.

480
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Speaker 1: Yes, now, I think we both agree that I would

481
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,199
Speaker 1: not be surprised if they don't. Now they brought in

482
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Speaker 1: a d ID consultant, and they've talked about that in

483
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Speaker 1: some pre show interviews. I think that that is probably

484
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,679
Speaker 1: could easily be wrong, but I think that's probably a

485
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 1: just a bid to be responsible about the depiction. And

486
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,880
Speaker 1: I think, really, what's going on here, and I'm judging

487
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Speaker 1: by the fact that Moonnight's costume just appears like out

488
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 1: of right, I think what we're seeing here is some

489
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: sort of multiversal convergence, some sort of action like that.

490
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 1: We had talked previously in our low Key episodes about

491
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,959
Speaker 1: these this idea of nexus beings, these beings who like

492
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 1: act as convergence points throughout the multiverse. They're the same

493
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,239
Speaker 1: throughout the multiverse, and I think maybe there's something like

494
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 1: that going on here. Notably, the Scarlet Witch is one

495
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: of these very important nexus beings. But I think maybe

496
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 1: there's something like that going on here where you have

497
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Speaker 1: different versions of the person who is Mark Spector or

498
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 1: Stephen Grant, and those different multiversal versions are converging on

499
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Speaker 1: the same body and sharing the same.

500
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Speaker 3: Body, and that is why we get like.

501
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 1: This costume, like appearing out of nowhere and stuff like that.

502
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,959
Speaker 3: I think that's probably what we're seeing.

503
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 2: I think that you're right, and I actually so. I

504
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 2: love to I would.

505
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Speaker 4: This is something I always recommend to everyone who watches

506
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Speaker 4: these shows. If you wait till the end of the

507
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,679
Speaker 4: movie or the end of the show, aside from probably

508
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 4: getting some kind of stinger, sometimes you can see the

509
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 4: special thanks, and that's where we get to kind of

510
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 4: pay our respects to the creators who enabled these stories

511
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 4: to be told, and the special thanks in these Marvel

512
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 4: shows have been very telling. In the first episode of

513
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 4: Wonder Vision, they thanked Olivier Coypel and Brian Michael Bendis,

514
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 4: and that was how we worked out the house of

515
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 4: them was probably going to be a really big influence,

516
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 4: so there are secrets built in there. And at the

517
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,959
Speaker 4: end of the first episode of Moonnight they thank Jim Krueger,

518
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 4: Alex Ross Doug Braithwaite, all three of whom worked on

519
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 4: a book called Universe X, which featured a different universe

520
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 4: version of Mark Spector who got his powers through vibranium.

521
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 4: They also did design the Mummy style suit, so there's

522
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 4: other reasons, but it's very interesting that they famously designed

523
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 4: this different Mark Spector from a different Earth. Then you

524
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 4: also have Bill Sinkovic, famous Moonnight creator, absolute comic book

525
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 4: artist icon but in one of his what if issues,

526
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 4: he played with the idea that Mark Spector was from

527
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 4: a different universe and he had three different old And

528
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 4: then we also have Jeff Lemire, who has obviously was

529
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 4: the author of one of the most popular current kind

530
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 4: of takes on Moonnight and his mental health, but also

531
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Speaker 4: as he has actually created multiple multiversal.

532
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 2: Moon Nights just alone, just him.

533
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Speaker 4: I think it's important that they brought in consultants and

534
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 4: were thoughtful about the representation.

535
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 2: I didn't it.

536
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 4: Didn't speak to me as someone who is always thinking

537
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 4: about that kind of stuff. I didn't feel like it

538
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 4: was what I hoped it would be. But I have

539
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 4: seen a lot of people who it really spoke to

540
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 4: and they really related to it, and I think that

541
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 4: that's really important and cool. So I think it's really

542
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 4: good they did that, and you can't really do Moonnight

543
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 4: without doing that.

544
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 2: Because of the history of the character.

545
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 4: But I do feel like from this first episode and

546
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 4: the fact that the the idea is not actually mentioned

547
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 4: in the context of the show of the first episode,

548
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 4: and there's only six episodes. Yeah, they don't have a

549
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 4: Doom Patrol level of three seasons or lee amount of

550
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 4: episodes to really explore what d id means, how it happens,

551
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 4: the trauma that causes it. So I think that a

552
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 4: multiversal idea of Mark essentially or Stephen struggling with multiple

553
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 4: versions of himself from multiple different universes is actually very

554
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 4: likely and also would tie into Kang. It would tie

555
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 4: into the multiversal kind of mayhem that Marvel is really

556
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 4: leaning into it at the moment, and it would make

557
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 4: a lot of sense because these iterations, these versions of

558
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 4: Mark and Stephen are very different and the struggle. If

559
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 4: this had been going on his whole life, you feel

560
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 4: like maybe there would be some empathy from people who

561
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 4: knew him, or he would have been able to access

562
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 4: some kind of help. But it feels he doesn't seem

563
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 4: to have the words to describe it. He talks a

564
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 4: lot about he feels recent and I think that would

565
00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 4: be a really smart way of looking at the struggle

566
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 4: of all these different people. And also, like we know

567
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 4: now that from what if that what happened in Loki,

568
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 4: the different timelines that did affect the main MCU. So

569
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 4: there's a chance that these mark spectors from different universes

570
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 4: have either been pruned and so need somewhere else to

571
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 4: exist or now exist because of split timelines, right.

572
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Speaker 1: I think that this is If I had to bet,

573
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: I would say that this is not the quote unquote

574
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: six one six MCU time.

575
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 3: This is taking place.

576
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: What we're mostly seeing is taking place in some kind

577
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: of offshoot pocket universe. Yeah, that will then elements of

578
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: which will then be brought into the main EMCU. Now

579
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: I'm glad that you mentioned kang are multiversal Big Bad

580
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: introduced in the Loki series is going to play such

581
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: a large role in Face four. How we don't know

582
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: because we mentioned the Alpine location. Yes, now, very very clearly,

583
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: Marvel is is like playing with the idea that that

584
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: could be Latviia, the the Kingdom, the nation kingdom ruled

585
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: by Doctor Doom victor von Doom there they want.

586
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 2: That's wheah.

587
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 4: They're teasing as if you've ever read a comic that

588
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 4: has Latviria in it. And I wrote an article about

589
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 4: this at Nerdiced that you can go and read that

590
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 4: has visual imagery. If you've ever read a comic about

591
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 4: lat Viria and you've seen an image of it, It

592
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,239
Speaker 4: is a Bavarian alpine town that in the mountains has

593
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 4: a huge castle, you know, carved out of it that

594
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 4: is called Castle Doom. That little city is called Doomstat

595
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 4: and it is in Latviia where Doctor Doom was born

596
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 4: then left, then went back to reclaim his kind of

597
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 4: like kingship or presidency or whichever version, and that whether look,

598
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 4: we are not out here saying like this is confirmed,

599
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 4: but whoever made this.

600
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: Show, there's a world where this is like a pre

601
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: Doctor Doom Latveria alternate dimension.

602
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 3: But they're quick. They want you to think that, they

603
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 3: want you to think that.

604
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 4: There was even that moment in the trailer where like

605
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 4: loads of people reported on it. Then loads of people

606
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 4: reported that it wasn't true, and as it's just a

607
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 4: funny the cupcake truck that he steals during the mountain

608
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 4: car chase, it's it's for a company called like.

609
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 2: Von Drumberg or something else. But people saw the vonde

610
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 2: and they were like, oh my gosh.

611
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 4: And then it was really funny because everyone was like

612
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 4: it was not that, but now you watch the episode

613
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 4: and you're like, oh, but they want you to want

614
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 4: this conversation.

615
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 2: They want you to say, is it.

616
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 4: And also, like we said, you know Moonnight has he's

617
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 4: tangled with Doctor Doom. There's that two issue arc thirty

618
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 4: nine and forty and Mark Spector Moonnight in the nineties

619
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Speaker 4: where he kind of has this entanglement with Dr Doom

620
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 4: and they play on a little bit of both of

621
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Speaker 4: their sides, kind of both sides of their kind of

622
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 4: like anti heroism, like could they be a hero? Could

623
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 4: they be a villain? And I think that's really interesting.

624
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 4: Also in that issue, Doom is kind of approaching Mark

625
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,239
Speaker 4: about a relic that he stole, a latveriant relic, and

626
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 4: in this we see Mark there with the scarab, a

627
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 4: relic that he's stolen, a relic that is also in

628
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 4: another good comic book nod Is, like directly from the comics.

629
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 4: Mark is after he loses the power of Conshu, he

630
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 4: meets the priests of Conshu and they end up giving

631
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 4: him these relics, including a scarb that give him his

632
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 4: power Kang.

633
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: As we talked about in our Loki episodes, and it's

634
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: important to reiterate is a time traveler who, through his

635
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: extensive time traveling, is just a crude extreme amounts of

636
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: knowledge and expertise about the way the universe works, the

637
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: fabric of the universe, and just understands how to kind

638
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: of play reality like an orchestra. Now, a different version

639
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: of variant of Kang in the Marvel Comics canon.

640
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 3: Is Doctor Doom.

641
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: Doctor Doom is a version of Kang in One Universe

642
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: also a version of Kang Read Richards. I'm just going

643
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: to put this out here right now as a thing

644
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: that could happen. Jonathan Majors Kang playing both Doctor dooman

645
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 1: Read Richards was on the team.

646
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Speaker 2: To see it.

647
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 4: It could have absolutely I think that by I think

648
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 4: that one Jonathan Major's iconic can casting just can't get

649
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 4: enough of that final Loki episode.

650
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 2: That would be incredible.

651
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 4: And I think that they made a statement as soon

652
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 4: as you cast Jonathan Major's as Kang, you you introduced

653
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,800
Speaker 4: the probability and the likelihood that Read will be black.

654
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Speaker 2: And that's a world I want to live in.

655
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,839
Speaker 4: And I think having all three of those characters as

656
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 4: black characters in the MCU would be super interesting, and

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Speaker 4: if they were brave enough to do all three played

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Speaker 4: by Jonathan.

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Speaker 3: I Crazy Love, it would be insane.

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Speaker 2: It would be so good, it would kind of.

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Speaker 4: There's lots of easy ways to tie in. When Dr

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Speaker 4: Doom first appeared, he appeared as a time travel villain

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Speaker 4: who was constantly like traveling around and causing chaos. And

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Speaker 4: then in you know, to bring the moonlight context back

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Speaker 4: to it, Kang has ancient Egyptian yes, periohood where he's

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Speaker 4: rama tat you know.

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Speaker 1: So right, So just to just to quickly reset on this,

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Speaker 1: so Kang Kang lived in the three in like the

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Speaker 1: the thirtieth century, and he was just like really bored

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Speaker 1: with life in the thirtieth century because it was too peaceful.

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Speaker 1: And he discovers a time machine. He starts traveling around

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Speaker 1: the very first place. He ends up going his ancient Egypt,

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Speaker 1: where he then becomes the ruler. He names himself Ramatad

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Speaker 1: and he rules for a large amount of time. He

675
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Speaker 1: hides like a time machine and the fucking Great Pyramid,

676
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Speaker 1: and he gets up to all kinds of trouble.

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Speaker 3: He tussles with.

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Speaker 1: The Fantastic four Yeah, and he messes around with the

679
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Speaker 1: West Coast Avengers. After they get hurled throughout time into

680
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Speaker 1: like six different timelines, some of the West Coast Avengers

681
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Speaker 1: end up out in ancient Egypt where they have this

682
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Speaker 1: adventure against Rama Tut. Now here's another interesting tian so

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Speaker 1: Kang is Ramatut, remember that varyingt to Ramata. While Hawkeye

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Speaker 1: is trapped in twenty one forty nine BC, he happens

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Speaker 1: into the temple of Kanschhu, not understanding what the importance is,

686
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Speaker 1: and he's just like oh. He ends up through different

687
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Speaker 1: turns of events because he kind of takes a liking

688
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Speaker 1: to the defenders of the Temple of Kanchu. He like

689
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Speaker 1: carves these little you know, the moon Night moon batter angs,

690
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Speaker 1: moon rangs and different kind of like projectile weapons for

691
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Speaker 1: the people of Kanchu. In other words, Hawkeye in twenty

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Speaker 1: one forty nine BC designed Moon Night's scab dow. He

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Speaker 1: made his weapons, which is another crazy little thing to it.

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Speaker 1: So all of which is to say, I wonder, I

695
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Speaker 1: wonder if at the end of this we get some

696
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Speaker 1: sort of Rama Tet Kang doctor doom Hint, some kind

697
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Speaker 1: of drop about that that brings us into the stuff

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Speaker 1: that we know we're going towards, because otherwise, you know,

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Speaker 1: what is this series building towards? That's the thing I

700
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Speaker 1: keep thinking, what is what is it here to do?

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Speaker 1: Clearly multiverse is the order of the day. Does that

702
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Speaker 1: get us to Kang? I think that there's a chance.

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Speaker 4: I do too, And I think that it's like important.

704
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Speaker 4: You guys have heard us talk about Kang a lot,

705
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Speaker 4: but like it. Kang is a because he's from the future.

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Speaker 4: He is a descendant of Read Richard's father. Yes, and

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Speaker 4: that's kind of why those three are all all seem

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Speaker 4: so connected. I feel like I we talked a lot

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Speaker 4: about Marvel Horror. Is this going to lead to Marvel Horror?

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Speaker 4: The MCU Horror in the MCU that is definitely the

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Speaker 4: big picture kind of situation.

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Speaker 3: Moon I made his debut in Werewolf by Night.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're gonna have the were Wolf by Night kind

714
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Speaker 4: of were Wolf to be named Halloween Special. We know

715
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Speaker 4: Blade is in the MCU now also connected to Britain

716
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Speaker 4: and British museums and in the comics has a London

717
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Speaker 4: set origin story. And I just never saw it coming

718
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Speaker 4: that they would do like a Latvaria Teas But now

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Speaker 4: they did it.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, this makes so much sense, Like the connection.

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Speaker 4: Is there, and these are the kind of things that

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Speaker 4: we love about watching these shows. Even if in like

723
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Speaker 4: a month the showrun is like it was just the Alps,

724
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Speaker 4: we can all be like, well that was fun, you know.

725
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Speaker 3: That's still fun. I mean, is why we get into

726
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Speaker 3: it now.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned like the crazy version of who Leyla could be.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go with a crazy version of a

729
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Speaker 1: possible theory here. When I think Egypt and Marvel, I

730
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Speaker 1: think really kind of like the original mutant and iconic

731
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Speaker 1: X Men super villain Apocalypse, who it just so happens

732
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Speaker 1: was played by Oscar Isaac's in X Men Apocalypse, a

733
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Speaker 1: very very bad twenty sixteen X Men movie, But it's

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Speaker 1: I don't think we see Apocalypse here. But I wonder

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Speaker 1: if we get a hit I was watching when they

736
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Speaker 1: were in you know, in those temple scenes, like I

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Speaker 1: do wonder if at some point they pan past the

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Speaker 1: various statues, if one we get a rama tut or

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Speaker 1: an Apocalypse statue in the background of one of these.

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Speaker 4: We know that the Fox X Men movies exist.

741
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Speaker 2: In this universe, right at least or at least they.

742
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Speaker 4: Will at some point because we have seen presumably Charles

743
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Speaker 4: Xavier played by Patrick stewartt So there's no reason that

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Speaker 4: I feel like you couldn't.

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Speaker 2: Allude to it.

746
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Speaker 4: Maybe Oscar wouldn't want to, because I feel like you

747
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Speaker 4: probably like doesn't remember it fondly. But like I think

748
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Speaker 4: that there's Egypt in Marvel is impossible to think of

749
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Speaker 4: without thinking of Apocalypse because so much of Marvel is

750
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Speaker 4: defined by the X Men, and ironically, even like the

751
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Speaker 4: Rama Tut stuff, the Kang stuff, that's all way way

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Speaker 4: down the recognition ladder compared to Apocalypse.

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Speaker 2: So when you have this who also, by.

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Speaker 4: The way, we're going to see him presumably inhabit many

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Speaker 4: different characters and heroes and villains and versions, I don't

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Speaker 4: see why there couldn't be a nod or something that

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Speaker 4: is actually more direct, because I think that they've you know,

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Speaker 4: they've sold this show as kind of like Raiders of

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Speaker 4: the Lost Arc meets Indiana Jones meets the MCU, So

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Speaker 4: I think we're going to see a lot more adventuring

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Speaker 4: and actually going to Egypt, going to these spaces, and

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Speaker 4: in that case, Apocalypse is like an outlier. But it's

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Speaker 4: like who wouldn't want to see that? Who wouldn't want

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Speaker 4: to catch that easter egg?

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Speaker 1: More connections, possible connections to the larger MCU, the idea

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Speaker 1: of chaos magic.

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Speaker 3: There's chaos.

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Speaker 1: That gets us to I mean, it's it's impossible not

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Speaker 1: to think of doctor Strange and the multiverse lands and

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Speaker 1: the stuff we might see there. The Schumer Gorath slash Garganta.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna we keep callinghim Schu McGrath Gargantos. In the

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Speaker 1: movie of the Lord of Chaos us uh tell us

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Speaker 1: about what do you think do you think that we

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Speaker 1: will get any kind of chaos magic Lord of Chaos Gargantos.

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Speaker 3: So in the comics bread crumbson.

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Speaker 4: Marks did or whatever they've called it has always been

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Speaker 4: inherently supernatural because it was it was always connected in

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Speaker 4: part to Conshu. And recently in the Marvel comics they

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Speaker 4: actually wreckon Konshu to make him an elder god, which

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Speaker 4: would sit him alongside Schumma Gorath and the other elder

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Speaker 4: gods of the Marvel universe.

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Speaker 2: So that's a connection there. Schumigrath is the Lord of Chaos.

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Speaker 4: In fact, in the first Moonlight trailer they actually they

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Speaker 4: actually kind of use Schumagorrath's famous video game quote, which

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Speaker 4: is Arthur Harrow says to he says to Steve, you know, he' says, Oh,

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Speaker 4: there's chaos in you, and then he says, embrace it,

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Speaker 4: and Schumer Gorath's phrases embraced chaos. Recently, the first official

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Speaker 4: kind of MCU big dig into chaos magic was that

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Speaker 4: is what Agatha Harkness tells Wonder that she uses, and

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Speaker 4: she says, and that makes you the Scarlet Witch and

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Speaker 4: the Dark Hold. That is a chaos magic book. You know,

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Speaker 4: I think it's very likely the different magics of the

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Speaker 4: MCU kind of come together under that banner. And I

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Speaker 4: think as well, like the chaos in New Thing is

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Speaker 4: really interesting because obviously it seems like he's talking about

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Speaker 4: the struggle between Mark and Stephen, but it could be

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Speaker 4: that he's sensing all these different people from different planes.

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Speaker 4: If Stephen is an exus or Mark is a nexus being,

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Speaker 4: because they haven't really made.

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Speaker 2: Clear who the kind of primary.

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Speaker 4: Version of the character is in this universe, but whoever

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Speaker 4: it is, if they're a nexus being, that means that

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Speaker 4: they could be contacting and connected to every single multiverse

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Speaker 4: at the same time. Which is incredibly chaoic and is

805
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Speaker 4: connected to what wander can do again back to chaos magic.

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Speaker 4: So I think there's definitely something in that.

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Speaker 1: I think that there is a pretty good chance that

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Speaker 1: this is our introduction into the idea of nexus characters,

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Speaker 1: or the idea of like multiple characters in having the

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Speaker 1: same body. Okay, more interesting connections, just stuff that I

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Speaker 1: picked her. We mentioned West Coast Avengers, and by the way,

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Speaker 1: that like time travel Adventure arc is, I think West

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Speaker 1: Coast it starts in like West Coast Avengers twenty.

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Speaker 4: I want to say, I'm in that the page you

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Speaker 4: sent me killing it of Hawkeye talking to Konhu is

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Speaker 4: like some of the coolest comic book I've seen in an.

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Speaker 1: Age when he really gets fantastical, is just is just

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Speaker 1: wonderful one of wonderful artists. I can't help but notice that,

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Speaker 1: first of all, on a Hawkeye series, as we talked about,

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Speaker 1: you know, one of the places that are Hawkeyes are

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Speaker 1: two Hawkeyes laid up was the apartment of more Brandon,

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Speaker 1: who in the comics is the actress who gives her

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Speaker 1: her Rancho palace Verdice estate to Hawkeye and Crewe to

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Speaker 1: use as the West Coast Avengers compounds. Okay, we've got her,

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Speaker 1: and they very specifically mentioned her name, and that can

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Speaker 1: only mean we're at some point going to the West Coast.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's you know, who goes unclear, whether it's Caden Clint,

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Speaker 1: but like, we're going to the West Coast. Moonnight has

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Speaker 1: some adventures with the West Coast Avengers and the comics,

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Speaker 1: so we have that connection also with that kind of

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Speaker 1: like time traveling adventure. I wonder we don't have a

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Speaker 1: team yet, right, that's the one thing that in Phase

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Speaker 1: four that we don't have.

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Speaker 3: We've had these team up movies with Spider Man.

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Speaker 1: No Way Home is essentially a team up between multiple

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Speaker 1: Spider Man, right, and a doctor change with the Multiversal

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Speaker 1: Madness will be some kind of team up movie, but

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Speaker 1: similarly it will entail multiple versions of the same characters, right,

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Speaker 1: where as a team up movie. I do wonder if

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Speaker 1: we're not headed towards like a West Coast Avengers.

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Speaker 4: I know, I think that we kind of vaguely touched

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Speaker 4: on this with Hawkeye, but like in the recent one

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Speaker 4: of the recent Kate Bishop Hawkeye runs, she moves to

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Speaker 4: La and I think that there's something with them making

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Speaker 4: Moira her aunt in the show. I think that the

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Speaker 4: version that we get of whatever the next iteration of

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Speaker 4: the Avengers is might be a kind of melding of

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Speaker 4: Young Avengers with West Coast Avengers and kind of have

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Speaker 4: them based out in California for a change of pace,

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Speaker 4: change of tone. You can kind of draw from some

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Speaker 4: of that wackier West Coast Avengers stuff, because throughout history they've.

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Speaker 2: Just had some really cool weird arcs.

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Speaker 4: The West Coast Avengers is so integral to the stuff

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Speaker 4: we saw in Wonder Vision, which I know now feels

855
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Speaker 4: like it was like a million years ago, but that

856
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Speaker 4: established the tone for these shows, and so much of

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Speaker 4: that came out of that, and a lot of the

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Speaker 4: exploration of what we still have to look at with

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Speaker 4: Wander and with the White Vision and where he stands

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Speaker 4: now is that all is derived from West Coast Avengers.

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Speaker 4: So I think that's like a really big touch point.

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Speaker 4: And my biggest question is, like, are they not establishing

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Speaker 4: a brand new team of Avengers, New Avengers, Young Avengers,

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Speaker 4: West Coast Avengers, Uncanny Avengers.

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Speaker 2: Like whatever is it?

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Speaker 3: Savage?

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Speaker 4: Certainly, you know, yeah, I would rather keep that one

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Speaker 4: out in the pocket. But like, is it because their

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Speaker 4: focus right now is like Fantastic four and the X Men,

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Speaker 4: and then when the X Men appear, we get some

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Speaker 4: kind of new Avengers team, and then we have you know,

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Speaker 4: Avengers versus x Men, which I think is the big

873
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Speaker 4: thing like every comic book person wants. But I wonder

874
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Speaker 4: because I feel like every other phase has been so

875
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Speaker 4: defined by the Avengers team, and we have all the

876
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Speaker 4: pieces here for something new. You know, for a long time,

877
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Speaker 4: it seemed like Captain Marvel would be the Captain America

878
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Speaker 4: and we would have these different legacy characters, but that

879
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Speaker 4: hasn't come together in the way that a lot of

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Speaker 4: us expected. So I'm really interested did because, like you said,

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Speaker 4: you made a really great point where you're like, they're

882
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Speaker 4: almost doing these team up movies because they don't have

883
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Speaker 4: a core team, and people love the team up movies.

884
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Speaker 3: People seeing the team.

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Speaker 4: What happens after Doctor Strange? You know, is it a

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Speaker 4: different kind of team? Is it an Illuminati instead of

887
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Speaker 4: an Avengers? You know? Is it a dark Avengers, which

888
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Speaker 4: we kind of think that we've been seeing seeded in

889
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Speaker 4: some of the TV shows.

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Speaker 2: It is an exciting and unpredictable time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're really we're really in some unexplored territory. Uh,

892
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Speaker 1: it feels like we're flying by the seat of our

893
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Speaker 1: pants with some of this. One more one last thing

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Speaker 1: you mentioned it a little bit. There's something not right

895
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Speaker 1: about this museum, right, Like, first of all, Steven's apartment

896
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Speaker 1: for somebody who works in the gift.

897
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Speaker 2: Shop, is that's a minimum wage?

898
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Speaker 1: It's galatial like it is stacks of books, high ceilings,

899
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Speaker 1: like is freaking huge.

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Speaker 3: Now you could say.

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Speaker 1: That's some of his Marks Spector money or whatever, the

902
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:05,240
Speaker 1: mercenary Like okay, but like, does Mark Spector even exist

903
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Speaker 1: in this reality?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Also, I think you touched on something here because the

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Speaker 4: number one thing that I think a lot of Moonnight

907
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Speaker 4: fans and Moonnight readers and even casual Moonnight kind of

908
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 4: noah about us were confused about is In the comics,

909
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Speaker 4: Stephen Grant is the billionaire millionaire.

910
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Speaker 2: A movie producer, usually right making a.

911
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Speaker 4: Latest iteration the movie producer, but generally he's the Tony

912
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 4: Stark persona. He's the Bruce Wayne right, So people say,

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Speaker 4: why would this guy be working in a gift shop?

914
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Speaker 4: So does this mean that the museum is a front

915
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Speaker 4: for something else? Is this really what Stephen is experiencing

916
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Speaker 4: that I think the apartment is such a good catch

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Speaker 4: that I hadn't really thought about, because like, owning a

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Speaker 4: house in London is a myth, Renting a house in

919
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Speaker 4: London is a myth, and so to have that in

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Speaker 4: the center of London when you work a minimum wage,

921
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Speaker 4: you with no benefits and and kind.

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Speaker 2: Of that is a great little clue that whatever.

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Speaker 4: This version of and that would kind of explain away

924
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Speaker 4: like Donna, you know JB who is the security guard

925
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Speaker 4: who I'm sure is gonna is gonna play a bigger

926
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Speaker 4: part and have a kind of more serious role. These

927
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Speaker 4: characters are like not nice to Stephen, and there doesn't

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Speaker 4: really seem to be a.

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Speaker 6: Reason they're not nice to him, But they're also they're familiar.

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Speaker 6: They're familiar exactly and not at all surprised with how

931
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Speaker 6: weird he is about losing time, being forgetful about stuff.

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Speaker 6: Like they're extremely mean to him, but they're also like

933
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Speaker 6: not put off by how strange he is acting at times.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it doesn't seem like it comes from a

935
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Speaker 4: place of empathy. It seems like it comes from like, oh,

936
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Speaker 4: we expect it. So I really think there might be

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Speaker 4: something interesting to the idea, especially if you're talking about

938
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Speaker 4: this bubble kind of universe that you were talking about,

939
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Speaker 4: the Pocket universe. You know, I think there's something very

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Speaker 4: interesting to the idea that the museum is a fragmented

941
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Speaker 4: part of something, something created to distract him. You know,

942
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Speaker 4: maybe something even created by a different version of Stephen

943
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Speaker 4: to you know.

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Speaker 2: What's the word.

945
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Speaker 4: You just wanted to have a normal life. You don't

946
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Speaker 4: want the drama, you don't want the to Okay, go

947
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Speaker 4: and work in a museum where your passions are. And

948
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Speaker 4: I do think something else that's like interesting to me

949
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Speaker 4: on a rewatch, right, there are hints in this first

950
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Speaker 4: episode of Stephen's like deep deep intelligence and passions and

951
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Speaker 4: the things that he knows a lot about, and that

952
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Speaker 4: kind of contradicts the general representation, which is kind of

953
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Speaker 4: he's like a bumbling, kind of silly guy. And I

954
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Speaker 4: think that is also very interesting when we're thinking about,

955
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Speaker 4: like what is this version that we're seeing and what

956
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Speaker 4: is really going on behind the kind of curtain.

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Speaker 1: It's a fascinating, interesting first episode, a little bit of

958
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Speaker 1: a mess, but with some really intriguing things, and I

959
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Speaker 1: can't wait to talk about how this could possibly connect

960
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Speaker 1: to the larger MCU. More with you, Rosie up next

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Speaker 1: nerd Out. In today's nerd Out, where you tell us

962
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Speaker 1: what you love and why, Jed pitches us on the

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen fantasy epic bestseller that is excellent, really really good,

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Speaker 1: Black Leopard Red Wolf by Marlon James.

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Speaker 3: It is an excellent book. Pick it up.

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Speaker 7: Hello, Jason, It's me Jed Segovia, shout out to my

967
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Speaker 7: fellow Filipino American host of X Ray Vision, and I

968
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Speaker 7: am urging you to pick up Marlon James this brutal

969
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Speaker 7: and beautiful fantasy epic novel, Black Leopard Red Wolf. And

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Speaker 7: I came across this because I love fantasy. I read

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Speaker 7: The Silmarilion in college and I couldn't even get through

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Speaker 7: the first Lord of the Rings novel. And I just

973
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Speaker 7: wanted to find novels that were just away from the

974
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Speaker 7: traditional Western eurocentric settings of castles, knights, dragons, the stuff

975
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Speaker 7: that's become Hollywood ip and it came across Black Leopard,

976
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 7: Red Wolf, written by Marlon James, and this story. It's

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00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 7: a beautiful epic set in a very vivid and brutal

978
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Speaker 7: version of Africa inspired by African myth and history. James

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Speaker 7: has jokingly referred to this story as an African Game

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Speaker 7: of Thrones, But while it has all the hallmarks of

981
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Speaker 7: that kind of story Warren Kingdom's Palace, intrigue, monsters, magic,

982
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 7: fascinating characters, it's inspired by a culture that, in my experience,

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Speaker 7: has rarely appeared in acclaimed Stateside novels. And this book

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Speaker 7: is the first book of a planned trilogy called the

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Speaker 7: Dark Star Trilogy. And this first book centers on Tracker,

986
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:54,760
Speaker 7: a bounty hunter with a magic nose capable of tracking

987
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 7: anything and anyone, which he uses to track down missing women,

988
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 7: floundering husbands, or any lost person in all of these

989
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 7: myriad kingdoms across this magical land, and his sordid life

990
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 7: of tracking eventually leads him to encounter what would become

991
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 7: a companion and Freney Leopard, a shape shifting leopard and

992
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 7: master archer. And the core of the story is a

993
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 7: quest that Tracker and Leopard are brought into by a

994
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 7: motley crew of princesses, giants, mercenaries and witches to rescue

995
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:28,760
Speaker 7: a kidnapped child from a band of vampiors and monsters

996
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 7: going around tearing up the land killing entire families. It's

997
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 7: just such a beautiful and such a vividly written novel.

998
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 7: It's like reading an rated final fantasy story. Is set

999
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 7: in Africa, the violence is viseral and the magic is

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00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,399
Speaker 7: fairy tale like, but not in that sanitized Disney sense,

1001
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 7: but in the classic Grim Brothers sense of grotesque and

1002
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 7: body horror. The characters are flawed, but they're absolutely magnetic

1003
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 7: to read. And what I love is that the characters

1004
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:01,720
Speaker 7: aren't even like this gender. Tracker is queer, the Leopard

1005
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:03,720
Speaker 7: is queer, and there are full on sex scenes between

1006
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Speaker 7: multiple members and the same gender. It's treated as a

1007
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 7: matter of fact and very refreshing to read in a

1008
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Speaker 7: novel of this genre. And it's a perfect time to

1009
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Speaker 7: get into it because the second book had come out

1010
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Speaker 7: in February, and the narrative picks up from where the

1011
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 7: first book ends, and it's just really exciting because this

1012
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Speaker 7: second book, the point of view is then written from

1013
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 7: the point of view of another character in the first book,

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Speaker 7: Black Leopard and Red Wolf. So the thing is, the

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Speaker 7: film rights to Black Leopard and Red Wolf have already

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Speaker 7: been bought by Michael B. Jordan Killmonger himself. I really

1017
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 7: urge you to check out this book. It's a great read.

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Speaker 7: We will definitely be seeing an adaptation soon in the

1019
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 7: big screen or in any of these big streaming services.

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Speaker 7: Peace out and enjoy.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Jed for submitting. If you want to be featured,

1022
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 1: send your nerd out pitch to x ray a cricket

1023
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 1: dot com. Instructions are in the show notes.

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Speaker 3: Up next, the End Game, Rosie.

1025
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Speaker 1: We are in the Endgame now, and today we are

1026
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 1: pondering the question, if you could have the powers of

1027
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 1: any mythical god, who would it be? This is interesting,

1028
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: this is a fascinating one, Rosie. Do you want to

1029
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Speaker 1: go first?

1030
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 2: This is a tough one.

1031
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go for comfort over anything else. If I

1032
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 4: was gonna become a Greek god and get any or

1033
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 4: any kind of mythological god and get any power, I

1034
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Speaker 4: would go for ambrosia.

1035
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Speaker 2: I would take a lot of food. I'm like, I

1036
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Speaker 2: want abundance.

1037
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 4: I want to feed people delicious stuff. I want my

1038
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 4: friends to eat the food and feel so nourished. I

1039
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 4: want to never be hungry. I make everyone food so

1040
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Speaker 4: they're never hungry. I don't know if that's how our

1041
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 4: powers work, but.

1042
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Speaker 2: That's how I'm taking it.

1043
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Speaker 3: I just love it.

1044
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Speaker 2: I love food. I love the relevance of food and mythology.

1045
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Speaker 4: You know, I think a lot of about like the

1046
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 4: myths of like posephony and stuff.

1047
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,320
Speaker 2: Those were the stories I always remembered.

1048
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Speaker 4: So I kind of like the idea is food is

1049
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 4: this nourishing thing on like a metaphorical level and a

1050
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:06,720
Speaker 4: physical level.

1051
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Speaker 2: And I love eating. So that's what my one wall.

1052
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 3: Then if you're going to do that, then I'm going

1053
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Speaker 3: to pick me.

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Speaker 1: I have to pick Bacchus, the god of wine and parties,

1055
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Speaker 1: so that we could just like throw a crazy, crazy feast. Bacchus, Uh,

1056
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 1: you know, you know him alias liber Where we get

1057
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Speaker 1: the word libations always pictured in conjunction with like vines

1058
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Speaker 1: and vines of grapes, always holding a drinking cup with

1059
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Speaker 1: like a crown of grapes and stuff. Bacchanalia is a

1060
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Speaker 1: word for just kind of like an ecstatic party.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 1: I don't what are Bacchus's powers, just kind of like

1063
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 1: physical pleasure and partying, and I feel like me of

1064
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:58,439
Speaker 1: it together. I think what an incredible pair. Uh that's

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Speaker 1: it for the end game.

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Speaker 3: Who would did you pick?

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Speaker 1: What power would you pick? Of a mythological of an

1068
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Speaker 1: ancient god or creature. Hit us at hashtag XRVN game

1069
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Speaker 1: to give us your pick. Big thank you to Rosie

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Speaker 1: Night for joining us on X ray Vision. Rosie Plug Everything,

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Speaker 1: Plug everything you got.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, come, I'm Instagram, Rosie Marx mr X. Same on Letterbox,

1073
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Speaker 4: where I've actually been doing a really good job of

1074
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Speaker 4: putting every movie that I watch. I don't review many

1075
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Speaker 4: of them, but I log them and you can laugh

1076
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 4: at all my bad choices or watch along to all

1077
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Speaker 4: these great bad movies with me.

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Speaker 2: If you like Easter eggs.

1079
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Speaker 4: And want to dig more into that, there's a big

1080
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Speaker 4: Easter egg piece up at Nerdice for this episode of Moonnight.

1081
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Speaker 4: There will be weekly that is what I do. There

1082
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 4: is also a that vary a piece. There is also

1083
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Speaker 4: a piece about mine and Jason's nexus being theory. There

1084
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 4: is all kinds of fun stuff there. I have a

1085
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Speaker 4: Godzilla comic coming out. You cannot reorder it, yeah, but

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Speaker 4: you can let your comic shop know that you think

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Speaker 4: it looks really cool and hope they will.

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Speaker 2: Pre order it.

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Speaker 4: If you live in the LA area, tell your comic

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Speaker 4: shop to hit me up. We will be doing cool signings.

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Speaker 4: I can't announce any right now, but I will announce

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Speaker 4: them when they are close and yeah, and.

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Speaker 2: Then obviously listen to us on x ray Vision.

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Speaker 1: Check out our videos on the Uncultured YouTube channel. Check

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Speaker 1: the next episode on April eighth, where we will be

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Speaker 1: diving into the sci fi multiversal action film Everything Everywhere,

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00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 1: all at once, So see that if you have a

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00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 1: chance to see it, or if you haven't seen it yet.

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Speaker 1: We'll surely be discussing more Moonnight and other episodes of

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Speaker 1: that and probably Halo as well. And again, send your

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Speaker 1: nerd out submissions to x ray at cricket dot com.

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Speaker 1: Don't forget to hit us with the five star ratings.

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Speaker 1: We love those. X ray Vision as a Cricket Media production.

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Speaker 1: The show is produced by Chris Lord and Saul Rubin.

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Speaker 1: The show is executive produced by myself and Sandy Gerard

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Speaker 1: are Editing and sound design is by Vasili's Photopoulos. Delon

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Speaker 1: Villanueva and Matt de Group provide video production and Court

1108
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 1: and Alex Releford handles social media. Thank you to Brian

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Speaker 1: Vasquez for our theme music.

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Speaker 3: Bye Bye

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Speaker 4: M HM