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Speaker 1: Everybody, and welcome to another edition of the Dave Pash Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host ESPN and Arizona Cardinals broadcaster Dave Pash. Well,

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Speaker 1: as we've done from time to time over the first

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Speaker 1: year and a half of this podcast, we step outside

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals and the National Football League to talk primarily

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Speaker 1: college basketball where Arizona Wildcats head basketball coach Tommy Lloyd.

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Speaker 1: Tommy's in his second year as the head coach of Arizona.

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Speaker 1: He was the APE Coach of the Year last year.

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Speaker 1: He is the third ever to be named coach of

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Speaker 1: He was a Gonzaga as an assistant for twenty years

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Speaker 1: before taking over for Sean Miller in Tucson a year ago.

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Speaker 1: He led the Wildcats to a Pac twelve regular season

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Speaker 1: and conference tournament title and a number one seed had

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Speaker 1: a trip to the Sweet sixteen. Arizona currently is fifth

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Speaker 1: in the country and just one loss on the season.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk with Tommy about Arizona basketball twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 1: We'll also talk about his experience at Gonzaga, how working

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Speaker 1: with Mark Few and building a culture there prepared him

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Speaker 1: for the job with the Wildcats. We'll also ask him

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Speaker 1: about the first time he met Hall of Famer and

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Speaker 1: all right, time for our conversation now with Arizona basketball

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Speaker 1: coach Tommy Lloyd. So, Tommy, I've had on a lot

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Speaker 1: of number of guests, wide variety of guests, not just Cardinals,

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Speaker 1: even though this is primarily a football podcast. I had

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Speaker 1: Bobby Hurley on recently, Mark Jackson, Damian Lillard, mcel bridges. So,

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Speaker 1: first of all, do you have an NFL team? Are

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Speaker 1: you an NFL fan? I'm sure probably this time of

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Speaker 1: But how much of the NFL do you like and watch? Well,

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Speaker 1: first off, all those names you mentioned are much bigger

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Speaker 1: basketball guys than me, So geez, quite an a steamed group.

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Speaker 1: But uh, yeah, I know I love football. I mean

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Speaker 1: I grew up. My wife's frustrated me sometimes that I

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Speaker 1: I love those guys. So that was my team, and

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Speaker 1: following the Seahawks a little bit. And uh yeah, I

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Speaker 1: Which one was it was it the win I hope

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Speaker 1: It wasn't. It wasn't New Orleans until my gosh, and

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Speaker 1: But how how similar is your approach been to building

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Speaker 1: And I wasn't a bystander. I mean you were. You

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Speaker 1: But I'm sure there's a ton of similarities, you know.

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Speaker 1: Why do you think that you guys had as much

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Speaker 1: It seemed like the middle of last season, a culture building,

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Speaker 1: and no one knows who you are, and so yeah,

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00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,360
Speaker 1: we definitely enjoy that for sure. So I'm a little OCD.

429
00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:28,960
Speaker 1: We we go to Italy pretty much every summer, and

430
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,560
Speaker 1: I feel like I have to see everything there before

431
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,040
Speaker 1: I can move on. But it sounds like you're telling

432
00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,000
Speaker 1: me I'm missed. Everybody keeps telling me I'm missing out,

433
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,200
Speaker 1: and they always mentioned a different part of Europe and

434
00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,280
Speaker 1: I had not even thought about the area of Spain

435
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:45,239
Speaker 1: that you just mentioned. No, No, for sure. I mean,

436
00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,640
Speaker 1: it's beautiful there and the reason I've kind of fell

437
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:50,239
Speaker 1: in love with that place. One of the reasons is

438
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,000
Speaker 1: when I was recruiting Deamonte Sabonis, that was where he

439
00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,360
Speaker 1: was raised, so that was kind of where I first

440
00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 1: got exposed to Malaga Spain Italy. Now you know, all

441
00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:03,240
Speaker 1: my staff, I got this crazy Italian guy Ricardo voice,

442
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,480
Speaker 1: and he's Italian. I mean, they're full on. But he's

443
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:09,480
Speaker 1: from Sardinia. So have you been to Sardinia? No I

444
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 1: have not. Oh my goodness. Okay, well, so Sardinia is like, okay,

445
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's it's world class. It's uh I

446
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:20,000
Speaker 1: guess I tell people. You know, they got these unbelievable

447
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 1: white sand beaches there, so you know Sardinia is. It's

448
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,040
Speaker 1: an island. You have Sardinian and course together are sitting

449
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 1: out there in the Mediterranean between France and Italy. Yea,

450
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 1: so it would be above the soccer ball, the soccer

451
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 1: ball in the boot right yep. So you're out in

452
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,440
Speaker 1: the middle of the water. And uh, I tell people,

453
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 1: it's like going to the Caribbean because you have the

454
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 1: white sand beaches, these beautiful water, I mean where you

455
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 1: can see crystal clear. Um, it's like going to the Caribbean.

456
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 1: But you have Italian food, you know. For for so

457
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a great combination for a vacation.

458
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 1: Like if you haven't been to Sardinia, the next time

459
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 1: you go to Italy, if you don't go, you're doing

460
00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 1: it wrong. All right, No, I'm down. I'm writing it

461
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,440
Speaker 1: down right now because it's funny. We've been trying to. Look.

462
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,359
Speaker 1: We went to Matara last year, which is in the

463
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,159
Speaker 1: southeast portion of the country. I don't know if you

464
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 1: saw the new James Bond movie, but they film that

465
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 1: whole opening scene there and it's it's an incredible city.

466
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 1: It's like the third oldest city in the world, but

467
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 1: they've turned it into like this spectacular tourist area. But anyway,

468
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,160
Speaker 1: we've been talking about going to Sicily. Now I gotta

469
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 1: add Sardinia though. Um, yeah done. All right, Well, I'm

470
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 1: gonna next time I see you or your assistant, I

471
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 1: gotta get some some restaurant recommendations, some hotel recommendations before

472
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 1: before I let you go. Um, you you kind of

473
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 1: ras me from time to time, and how my beard

474
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 1: makes me look a lot older than I am. I

475
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 1: am curious how you do it? Man, You're I think

476
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,680
Speaker 1: you're only I'm fifty. I think you're only a couple

477
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: of years younger than me. But what's the secret other

478
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:57,360
Speaker 1: than just having hair, which I don't have. Well, hey, hey,

479
00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 1: I'm beending I'm beenning the top. I can. My wife

480
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 1: has been telling me for years. When she's looking down

481
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 1: from the stands she can see and I'm like, And

482
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 1: when I see it on TV, I'm like, who's that?

483
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:11,719
Speaker 1: That's not me? Um, so that's happening. I don't know.

484
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 1: Maybe I just got lucky with some good genetics and

485
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 1: and and to be honest with you, I know this beers.

486
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 1: These beards are in vogue now. All you guys are

487
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,680
Speaker 1: you know, you all fashion with your beer or something.

488
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 1: I don't grow a good beard. I don't. I mean,

489
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 1: I think I can do the mustache a key thing,

490
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:28,360
Speaker 1: but like, I don't know, I don't know if that's

491
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,639
Speaker 1: who I am. I definitely don't. I'm a little patchy

492
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 1: on the sides. So it is it pickle ball that

493
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 1: keeps you as lively and asn't good as shape as

494
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 1: you are? Because I know you play pickleball. I don't

495
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 1: know if I'm in good shape. Uh, you know, it

496
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 1: depends on I participate in pickleball, and then depending on

497
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 1: the level, because trust me, I have I'm used to

498
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,719
Speaker 1: being the fourth best player on the court. And for

499
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 1: those you know, there's only four players on the court.

500
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 1: So um. You know, my pickleball partners that are good.

501
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 1: You know, they call me the common denominator because usually

502
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 1: whoever my partner loses, So I got that going for me.

503
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: But my other partners that I play with it aren't

504
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 1: so good, you know. I mean, yeah, I like getting

505
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 1: after those guys a little bit. We actually just finished

506
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 1: up right before we did this. We got a good

507
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 1: group to place here at Arizona Jet Fish, Chip Hadler,

508
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,640
Speaker 1: baseball coach Dave heat you're athletic ricker students out there.

509
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 1: You know, Jack Murphy on my staff and we go

510
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 1: out and then our tennis coaches are all really good,

511
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 1: so we play at them a lot. So we have

512
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 1: a ton of fun. I want to ask you one

513
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: more about Jack Murphy, but just on pickleball. You know,

514
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 1: that's it's like exploding. There's a pro team here in

515
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 1: Arizona called the Azy Drive, our Arizona Drive and Larry

516
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 1: Fitzgerald and Devin Booker part owners. So they're obviously investing

517
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 1: in something that has caught fire, and they, I guess

518
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 1: expected to continue to explode. I've never played it. If

519
00:25:58,359 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 1: they if they need a player for free to get

520
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:01,360
Speaker 1: my number, I don't know, I don't know if I'm

521
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 1: the guy kind of guy they're looking for to play,

522
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,199
Speaker 1: but I love, Oh you need to play? I mean,

523
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 1: do you ever play a little bit of tennant? Uh? Yeah,

524
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 1: when I was a kid. Yeah, I think you look. Listen,

525
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 1: what's nice about pickleball is you can go out and

526
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 1: play a few times and kind of pick up a

527
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: little bit of the game. Obviously there's some strategy to it,

528
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 1: but but you don't have to be great to like

529
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 1: to enjoy it right away. And it's like like golf

530
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,360
Speaker 1: a little bit. You get one or two good hits,

531
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 1: you know, all of a sudden you think you're pretty good,

532
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 1: you know, and you might only have two or three

533
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 1: good hits the day, but you remember those and you

534
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,159
Speaker 1: want to go back and kind to recreate him. So

535
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 1: it's a ton of fun. So last one and then

536
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 1: I will let you go. But it's this the tag

537
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 1: to the story. I'll say for after you answer the question,

538
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:46,439
Speaker 1: what was your first impression of Bill Walton? I have

539
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 1: to imagine, because I know Bill and I did a

540
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 1: Gonzaga game when you were there. It was when Washington

541
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 1: played there, maybe five or six years ago. But obviously

542
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 1: now last year and we've got you guys coming up

543
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 1: a bunch here, Bill and I'll be doing the games.

544
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 1: What was your first impression of Bill Well? First off,

545
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,439
Speaker 1: I always love go Walton as a basketball player, and uh,

546
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: you know, he was an amazing talent. I mean, people

547
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 1: have no idea he literally is one of the best

548
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: players of all time when healthy, Um, no question, I think, yeah,

549
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: no question, argument easy, yeah. And I don't think people

550
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 1: I don't think people realize that now because he has

551
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 1: to become a he is a character, but he's become

552
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: a little bit as good character on as a broadcasting

553
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: and people, you know, they they love him. Maybe he

554
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: annoys him. Whatever. I'll just say this when I when

555
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 1: that guy, I think that game you guys did in Washington,

556
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 1: he requested to have breakfast with me. I'm all right,

557
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 1: So I went down. He and I had to breakfast

558
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: as a small cafe and you know, and you probably

559
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: ate with him quite a few times. And the first

560
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 1: thing is he wants hot water with just lemon, you know,

561
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 1: and then he wants to order a burrito and he

562
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,199
Speaker 1: was like he had this argument with the Wakers. No,

563
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 1: I don't want the breedle too big. I want a

564
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: small breed on She's like, well, sur we pre make

565
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 1: our burritos and like, we don't know, I want a

566
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 1: small breedocas I don't. We're not going to waste any

567
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: food here. And he was adamant and so they had

568
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: to make him his own special small burrito so there

569
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: was no wasted food. But throughout our conversation that day,

570
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: this is the people don't realize about Bill. He took

571
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: five pages of handwritten notes in a very large curse

572
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 1: of writing, and you know from my parents' names to

573
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: their birthday, the what they did, and just really like

574
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: introduce you and and he's genuinely in the conversation and

575
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: he's genuinely interested in you. And I just tell people this,

576
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: if you don't like Bill Walton, you don't like good people,

577
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: because he's one of the greatest human beings I've ever met.

578
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: And he's a tremendous guy, and he's one hundred percent genuine.

579
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: He doesn't have a mean bone in his body. In

580
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: the world needs more people like go Walton, love it,

581
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: love it. I mean, you're so right. If you can't

582
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: get along with Bill, then you're the one with the problem.

583
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: He so he and I will eat together after games.

584
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: He will always offer to buy. He will not eat

585
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: with me before because he does not want to see

586
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: me or talk to me until the game starts, because

587
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: in his mind, Wilhem his teammate. As soon as we

588
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: are in the arena and we're getting close to broadcasting

589
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: in a way, I'm the opponent, I'm I'm kareem to him. Yeah,

590
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: like seriously, he said that, like it's he gets really

591
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: competitive and so he but afterwards, yes, and you got

592
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: to dinner. He doesn't drink. He always asked for for

593
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: hot water, soup and salmon. That's usually regardless of where

594
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: we go. I'm surprised about the burrito he must have been.

595
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's gone low carb or what.

596
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: But uh but it was maybe limited options. And you know,

597
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: we have a good relationship with Bill because you know,

598
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: Luke play here. Yeah, and Jack Murphy's Luke Walton is

599
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: one of his best friends, you know, who's on my staff.

600
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: And then and then he and this, he had this

601
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 1: romance with our old Sid are are he's still in

602
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: Sid here but not it's a bast much Matt Inser.

603
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, those two they go in the summer they

604
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: go to dead concerts and the whole deal, and uh,

605
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: you know, to me, that just shows how good of

606
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: a guy Bill is. Like Bill has really become genuinely

607
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: great friends with Matt Inser and they're probably, you know,

608
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: thirty five years age difference and you know, from different worlds.

609
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: But Bills just he loves people, and I think that's

610
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: just something that has been lost on a lot of

611
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: this world these days. So I'll tell you the Jack

612
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: Murphy story and I'll let you go because I've kept

613
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: you longer than I said I would. I appreciate the time.

614
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: So we're doing an Arizona UCLA game about four years ago.

615
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: It is me, Bill and Richard Jefferson is doing the

616
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: game with us. Richard, who played at Arizona, played in

617
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: the NBA for a long time and now does games.

618
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: I just did a game with him a couple of

619
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: weeks ago for ESPN and rich For people that may

620
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: not know, Richard Jefferson and Luke Walton are best friends,

621
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: and Richard basically is an adopted Walton. He's more like

622
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: Bill than Luke is. I don't know the other boys,

623
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: the other three sons, but his personnel he's very similar

624
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: to Bill, and when Richard was playing in the NBA,

625
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: Richard still lived at Bill's house. He was making ten

626
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: million dollars a year and living on Bill's couch until Laurie,

627
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: Bill's wife kicked him out of the house. So we're

628
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: calling this game. Sean Miller gets teed up and ejected

629
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: from the game, and now Jack Murphy, who was the

630
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: associate head coach now is coaching the game. And Richard goes, yeah,

631
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: and Jack used to live at Bill's house too, And

632
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: I didn't know that story, but apparently Jack Murphy was

633
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: in charge of waking Luke and Richard up in the

634
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: morning to make sure they went to their workouts to

635
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: get ready for the NBA draft. So anyway, there's the story. Yeah,

636
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 1: I'm sure Luke and Richard were probably doing nothing event

637
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: full the night before and probably would probably would have

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Speaker 1: exactly right. Tommy, Hey, this was great, Thanks so much.

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Speaker 1: Congratulations on all your success to date, and I know

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Speaker 1: there's a long way to go this season, but you

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Speaker 1: Thanks for your time, man, Yeah, thanks to you next week.

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Speaker 1: Really enjoyable conversation with Tommy Lloyd. Great personality. You can

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Speaker 1: our jobs as broadcasters. Arizona right now fifth in the

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Speaker 1: again to Arizona head coach Tommy Lloyd, and thanks to

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