WEBVTT - Exploding Manholes

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, everybody walks into the podcast. Josh, and there's Chuck,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's Jerry. So let's get going. You found this stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think I had heard of this before, because

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<v Speaker 1>I believe I just kind of happened upon it on

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<v Speaker 1>our website. But uh, this now scares me for when

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<v Speaker 1>I go to New York. I wasn't scared until you

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<v Speaker 1>just said that you were scared. Now I'm scared because

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<v Speaker 1>you would usually be scared before I was scared. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but I guess I hadn't thought it through. And and actually,

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<v Speaker 1>you know the spoiler at the end, will will leave.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not a ton of people actually get hurt. But

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<v Speaker 1>I read about exploding manhole covers, and I think that

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<v Speaker 1>that this is gonna like land on my head one

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<v Speaker 1>day and I will die. And you would if it

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<v Speaker 1>landed on your head, Yes, you would die, because we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about exploding manhole covers and they've been known to go.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw a hundred feet in the air at least fifty,

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<v Speaker 1>says the How Stuff Works article. And these things are

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<v Speaker 1>enormously heavy, like eighty five to three hundred pounds. And

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<v Speaker 1>for those of our friends who live outside the US

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<v Speaker 1>and Liberia. That's thirty five to thirty five. So the

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<v Speaker 1>mere fact that a manhole cover has not landed and

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<v Speaker 1>killed somebody landed on someone and killed them by now,

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<v Speaker 1>is sheer luck? It sounds that way, yeah, because it

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<v Speaker 1>happens a lot, especially depending like if you're in New York.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it happens in cities all over the country

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<v Speaker 1>for sure, but um, if you're in New York, you're

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<v Speaker 1>in the home of exploding manhole covers for a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of reasons where we'll talk about, um and it happens

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<v Speaker 1>pretty frequently. So, um it is. It does seem to

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<v Speaker 1>be what you just said, sheer luck that no one's

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<v Speaker 1>died from it yet, and maybe someone has and we

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<v Speaker 1>just hadn't found out about it because apparently the FDN

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<v Speaker 1>Y is not required to um report the number of

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<v Speaker 1>incidents and the only source of any numbers on this

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<v Speaker 1>stuff is con Edison and they're the ones who is

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<v Speaker 1>responsible for this thing, so they may be fudging the numbers. Well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a council councilman named Donovan Richards where there was

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<v Speaker 1>at the time of this article, that has introduced or

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<v Speaker 1>reintroduced a bill that said, hey, we need more transparency

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<v Speaker 1>into this, and like you guys need to start issuing

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<v Speaker 1>like annual reports on how many of these things are

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<v Speaker 1>catching on, fire, smoking, exploding. Right, and the the fire

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<v Speaker 1>chief that had fire chief of f d N why

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<v Speaker 1>leaned into the mic and said, with all due respects,

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<v Speaker 1>up yours. The fire chief is John Travolta. By the way,

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<v Speaker 1>his and his dalmatian went right now, he did that

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<v Speaker 1>like flicking underneath the chin thing with his paw. Man,

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<v Speaker 1>I wish I could teach my dog to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man, Yeah, they'd have to be able to turn

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<v Speaker 1>their paw around. That would be odd YouTube sensation. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think the world would forgive the dog

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<v Speaker 1>if if for not turning the pall around, Like just

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<v Speaker 1>just doing it in any way would be pretty pretty great.

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<v Speaker 1>Does mama know any tricks? Yeah, she can deal with cards.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's it. I finally got Nico shaking now, so

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<v Speaker 1>consider that a big victory. Oh yeah, that is a

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<v Speaker 1>big victory. I um, I taught Mo to give high five.

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<v Speaker 1>She's pretty good at that, okay, high five, but then

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<v Speaker 1>every once in a while she'd be like such a

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<v Speaker 1>brow thing to do, you know, right, all right, So

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<v Speaker 1>I think we should talk about why this actually what

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<v Speaker 1>what events lead to this to happen? Yeah, there's actually

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<v Speaker 1>like a there's science behind it. Yeah. So let's say

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<v Speaker 1>we're just gonna keep picking on New York because their

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<v Speaker 1>underground system and their infrastructure everyone knows can be quite

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<v Speaker 1>old and dangerous at times. It's it's the again though,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the home of exploding man holes, right for a reason.

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<v Speaker 1>So um, New York has the large, the world's largest

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<v Speaker 1>and oldest electrical system underground electrical system underground. Good catch man.

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<v Speaker 1>So they have the largest and oldest they have just

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<v Speaker 1>my emboggling amount of cables, thousand miles of cable and

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred sixty four thousand man holes, right yeah, initially

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<v Speaker 1>when because they they talk about vented manholes to help

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<v Speaker 1>solve this, and I was like, just replace them all.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I saw two hundred sixty four thousand, I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, right, And I imagine that each one costs

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty decent amount because they make them heavy so

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<v Speaker 1>that you know, teenagers don't make off with them or something.

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<v Speaker 1>I would guess why else would you make them heavy? Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. It's a good question, because it means

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<v Speaker 1>make them sturdier cars drive over these things. Okay, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that's one. They tried balsa wood and it didn't work

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<v Speaker 1>out right well because everybody kept stealing the balsa wood

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<v Speaker 1>man hole covers. So. Um, So you have like this,

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<v Speaker 1>like ninety thousand miles of cable or wire underground and

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds of thousands of manhole covers. So you have a

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<v Speaker 1>recipe for disaster. Considering that that thousand miles of wiring,

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<v Speaker 1>five percent of it is almost a hundred years old

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<v Speaker 1>or older. Yeah, and and they're supposed to have a

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<v Speaker 1>lifespan of about forty years. So if you've got a

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<v Speaker 1>hundred year old wire down there, you're you're asking for

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<v Speaker 1>trouble when it rains or snows, or when saltwater gets

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<v Speaker 1>in there from salting streets. And that's basically what happens. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So this is this is this is the science behind it.

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<v Speaker 1>They actually know what causes exploding manhole covers, at least

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<v Speaker 1>in New York. Right. What you have is these very

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<v Speaker 1>old wiring and you have, um, you know, even like

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<v Speaker 1>a manhole cover that isn't grated or slotted to allow gases,

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<v Speaker 1>event like, it's not water tight, so when it snows

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<v Speaker 1>New York ice is over there assaults their streets, and

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<v Speaker 1>so the slush when the snow melts becomes saltwater. And

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<v Speaker 1>over time, the saltwater goes and trickles down and it

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<v Speaker 1>corrodes the wires, the insulation around the wires. And these

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<v Speaker 1>are wires that these giant New York rats have already

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<v Speaker 1>been mealing on for years for some trees. That's another

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<v Speaker 1>big problem with it, too, right, I mean, like fifty

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<v Speaker 1>pound rats just taken out these wires as much as

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<v Speaker 1>they like because they love to eat rubber insulation apparently,

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<v Speaker 1>because they're stupid the worst. So you've got these wires,

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<v Speaker 1>they're starting to get freight. You they're getting freed in

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<v Speaker 1>part by the salt water. But the other thing that

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<v Speaker 1>the saltwater is doing is that when these wires are

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<v Speaker 1>freight and the actual wiring itself is exposed, salt water

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<v Speaker 1>is particularly conductive. So because of this, the chlorine and

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<v Speaker 1>the sodium ions in there, they have an electrical charge themselves,

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<v Speaker 1>and water is conductive by itself to like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's like the whole thing from um Fear and Loathing

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<v Speaker 1>in Las Vegas, where um Laslow wants hunter Thompson to

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<v Speaker 1>drop the toaster in the or the hair dryer in

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<v Speaker 1>the bathtub with I mean there's a grape fruit at

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<v Speaker 1>his head instead. That's because water is conductive, and Laslow

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<v Speaker 1>was hipped to that kind of thing, right, Yeah. And

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<v Speaker 1>I remember in in high school, even like when we

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<v Speaker 1>did conductivity experiments, it was always saline. It was always saltwater, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And so so water is conductive. Saline or saltwater is

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<v Speaker 1>super conductive. So when you um, it's not actually super conductive,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know what I mean, not in the scientific term, right.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you have this frayed wire that saltwater comes

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<v Speaker 1>in contact with the wire arcs that in and of

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<v Speaker 1>itself is not good because it's going to short out

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<v Speaker 1>your electrical system. But the problem is is when those

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<v Speaker 1>wires are afraid and the insulation is worn away, it

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<v Speaker 1>starts the insulation itself starts to kind of smolder and

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<v Speaker 1>bubble and and and flame up itself, which produces gases. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's the big problem. So what you've got down

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<v Speaker 1>there is um gas is being released, gases building up,

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<v Speaker 1>building up pressure. Then you have that electrical arc that's

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<v Speaker 1>like a bolt of lightning. Basically those two things meet

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<v Speaker 1>up and say how you doing, and it ignites and

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<v Speaker 1>it could lead to and like we said, sometimes it's

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<v Speaker 1>smoldering and smoking. I've seen them literally just on fire,

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<v Speaker 1>which is almost as disconcerting. It's like, hell, it totally is.

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<v Speaker 1>But sometimes it will actually if they meet in the

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<v Speaker 1>right way, into the right conditions, it will cause that

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<v Speaker 1>explosion and send a possibly three pound manhole cover a

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<v Speaker 1>hundred m well fifty ft into the air. Right, well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's take a break real quick and we'll come back

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<v Speaker 1>because we've got more stuff on exploding manholes that you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna love, Okay, dude. So the gas goes boom and

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<v Speaker 1>the manhole cover goes flying into the air, and the

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<v Speaker 1>House of Works articles did a really good job of

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<v Speaker 1>of comparing that to UM, an internal combustion engine, like

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<v Speaker 1>the pistons in it, and it's it's it's basically the

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<v Speaker 1>same thing. Like the piston presses air down and a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit it takes just a little bit of fuel

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<v Speaker 1>mixed in with the air to make it combustible because

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<v Speaker 1>it's compressed. And then when you introduce UM fire through

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<v Speaker 1>the spark plug, then that that compressed gas air expands

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<v Speaker 1>very quickly it explodes, is what you call it, and

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<v Speaker 1>then the piston goes up. That's the exact same thing

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<v Speaker 1>that's happening in exploding manhole when there's gas build up, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just that pressure of the compressed gases suddenly released

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<v Speaker 1>violently and it explodes outward. And again it's the same

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<v Speaker 1>thing that's happening in your car engine, but on a

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<v Speaker 1>New York City street. Yes, I'm reading this stuff. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>thinking this is cool and a little scary. But I thought,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, but this happens probably like once every few years,

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<v Speaker 1>or a few times a year, maybe in two thousand sixteen,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is manhole incidents just in New York. So

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<v Speaker 1>as this exploding manhole incidents or just like catching fire

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<v Speaker 1>or smoking or whatever. I think any time a manhole

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<v Speaker 1>cover goes or a manhole goes awry, they would call

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<v Speaker 1>it an incident. In two thousand sixteen, there were nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and eight of them, and in two thousand fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>there were almost three thousand, eight hundred manhole incidents. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a great fan name, actually manhole incident. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it does all sorts of stuff to the imagination or

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<v Speaker 1>the manhole incident, maybe um or balsa wood manhole I

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<v Speaker 1>saw that in the same year, two thousand fifteen, in February,

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<v Speaker 1>February alone, and I'm sorry, in one week in February,

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<v Speaker 1>there was six hundred manhole incidents in New York. How many,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean do the math. That's a lot in a day.

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<v Speaker 1>And again, this is just what's con Edison is is

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<v Speaker 1>telling the media like, who knows if there's more. There's

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<v Speaker 1>nobody running around counting all this. The only people who

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<v Speaker 1>have their finger on the pulse of a eploding manhole

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<v Speaker 1>covers is Kan Edison, and you know they're the ones

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<v Speaker 1>who are responsible for it. Yeah. So despite this um,

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<v Speaker 1>it turns out remarkably that people are usually not injured.

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<v Speaker 1>It's sort of a rare thing for an actual human

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<v Speaker 1>injury to happen. And as far as I know, there's

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<v Speaker 1>never been someone killed by a manhole cover exploding. That

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<v Speaker 1>is not true. Oh really, I looked it up, man,

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<v Speaker 1>But it's not in New York. There there there has

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<v Speaker 1>to be somebody who died in New York New York.

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<v Speaker 1>Boston has another problem with it itself, like I guess

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<v Speaker 1>Chicago does, like any major city with an old electrical infrastructure,

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<v Speaker 1>manhole covers and salty snowmelt is going to have exploding

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<v Speaker 1>manhole covers. DC has a problem with it, but there's

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<v Speaker 1>comes from natural gas supposedly, and they only have like

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<v Speaker 1>an average of like thirty eight a year, I think.

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<v Speaker 1>But Boston has a problem with it too. And in

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<v Speaker 1>uh two thousand sixteen, there was a freak accident where

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<v Speaker 1>high school art teacher was driving in Boss and a

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<v Speaker 1>manhole cover exploded and rose up just enough to come

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<v Speaker 1>through her windshield from a movie and killed her. Um instantly. Yeah, man,

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<v Speaker 1>if that happens to you, your number is up. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>That's like when the tree fell on the guy's truck

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<v Speaker 1>across from my house at times sitting in a stoplight. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Or the actress who was in Chicago riding her bike

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<v Speaker 1>through the park and a tree fell over on her.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we talked about that, like a tree falls

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<v Speaker 1>on you while you're moving, like that's yeah, you're you're

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<v Speaker 1>not escaping that, No, you're not. Man, that is really sad.

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<v Speaker 1>What it is? What a terrible way to end? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, Well here's it gets even worse. She was

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<v Speaker 1>a beloved art teacher, as they all are Yeah, well

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. There's the jerk art teachers too, are

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<v Speaker 1>mad they're teaching you know. Uh, well, let's see. Thanks

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<v Speaker 1>a lot for joining us. If you want to hang

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<v Speaker 1>out with us, we're all over social media. Just look

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<v Speaker 1>us up and uh you can hang out with us

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<v Speaker 1>at all. I'm on the web stuff you should know. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll see you next time. Watch out for those manholes.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody m