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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: In the last hour is a so called suitcase killer.

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Speaker 2: Sarah Boone shows no emotion in court as a jury

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Speaker 2: hands down a verdict.

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us.

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Speaker 2: In the last day, Sarah Boone, the so called suitcase killer,

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Speaker 2: found guilty a second degree murderer after her boyfriend was

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Speaker 2: found quote stiff and purple.

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Speaker 1: Zipped inside of a suitcase. What happened?

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Speaker 3: What we had with a bottle of wine.

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Speaker 1: Literally just a bottle of wine.

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Speaker 3: Okay, then we sudden had feet.

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Speaker 1: That's all that happened.

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Speaker 4: Girl.

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Speaker 1: A bottle of wine is not a defense.

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Speaker 2: But I want to warn you she filmed herself, There's

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Speaker 2: no doubt about that, as she sat there and watched

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Speaker 2: her boyfriend die in a suitcase.

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Speaker 1: Let me warn you this is very disturbing.

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Speaker 2: I told you she filmed herself as she watched her

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Speaker 2: boyfriend die in a suitcase during an alleged game of

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Speaker 2: hide and seek while she throws back a couple of

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Speaker 2: glasses of wine.

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Speaker 1: You know, we got the video for everything you've done

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Speaker 1: to me, So for everything you've done to.

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Speaker 5: Me, so.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, So.

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Speaker 6: You Shara stupid.

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Speaker 1: Sarah, that's my name. Don't heart up, Sarah. I can. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's when you're doing.

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Speaker 7: You shook me, Sarah, Sara.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe that's on you, Sarah. I can. It's

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Speaker 1: on you, Sar. Real rounds and I want to give

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Speaker 1: video for it, extra good. I got this real, Sarah.

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Speaker 6: I can't believe.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's what I feel like when you drink on me.

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Speaker 1: So wait, so yeah you should, probably should.

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Speaker 2: I had to watch that myself to make sure I

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Speaker 2: knew what really happened.

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Speaker 1: Did she actually feel herself?

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Speaker 2: Guys, I want you to hear first of all, the

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Speaker 2: nine to one one call.

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Speaker 1: Listen, what is the location of your emergency?

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Speaker 6: Four France Court, Apartment three. It's just a pody so medical.

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Speaker 3: My boyfriend had said, okay, sell a line for the

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Speaker 3: fight apartment.

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Speaker 6: Do not hang up.

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Speaker 4: Tell me exact what up in there.

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Speaker 3: My boyfriend and only were playing last night and I

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Speaker 3: put him there and.

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Speaker 1: We were playing, and he's like kind of a hide

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Speaker 1: and seek kind of thing.

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Speaker 4: So I fell asleep and I woke.

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Speaker 8: Up and he was I'm good in a suitcase.

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Speaker 4: So I don't know what happened.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what happened.

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Speaker 2: You don't know what happened. You just told us what happened.

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Speaker 2: You put your boyfriend in a suit case. He didn't

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Speaker 2: crawl in there. It was not his idea. You zip

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Speaker 2: it up, and now he's dead.

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Speaker 1: We were playing.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's just what the Long Island serial killers said

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Speaker 2: about all of his victims. They were playing. Then they

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Speaker 2: were tortured, mutilated, and murdered. Let's analyze what we just heard.

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Speaker 2: Joining me Stephanie Buffo Monte, investigative reporter Fox thirty five, Orlando.

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Speaker 2: But first to defense attorney Philip Dubet, who has a

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Speaker 2: very interesting numerology defense in this case. Debay, no stranger

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Speaker 2: to a courtroom with the La County Public Defender's Office, Philip, Debay,

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Speaker 2: did you hear? She was completely Deadpan? My boyfriend is dead,

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Speaker 2: just like that? How would you battle that in court?

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Speaker 2: What try to suppress?

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Speaker 9: Then?

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Speaker 1: I'm on one call?

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Speaker 9: Oh?

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Speaker 10: No, First of all, you got to remember she just

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Speaker 10: came off a vender.

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Speaker 11: You know, she was probably still hungover from the night before,

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Speaker 11: because I think they gozzled.

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Speaker 10: Down an entire bottle of wine. She got to remember

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Speaker 10: it too.

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Speaker 2: Don't drag him into her wine bottle. Okay, yeah, we

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Speaker 2: don't know he was in the line on. We know

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Speaker 2: she was because I can hear her between sentences going.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so go ahead.

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Speaker 11: Well, legally, the wine does not help her under Florida

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Speaker 11: law because voluntary intoxication is no more a defense.

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Speaker 10: There.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate what you're saying about voluntary use of drugs

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Speaker 2: or alcohol is not a defensive Florida.

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Speaker 1: That's everywhere.

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Speaker 2: But I'm asking you about her saying my boyfriend's did

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Speaker 2: It's like she might as well be saying, you know, hey, uh,

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Speaker 2: let me order two Chick fil a sandwiches and a

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Speaker 1: That's what it sounds like. And you're gonna you would

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Speaker 1: actually tell a jury is because she's hung over.

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Speaker 2: You don't think finding his dead body in a suitcase

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Speaker 2: might just wake her up.

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Speaker 11: She's also numb from years of abuse from him. Don't

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Speaker 11: you remember what she said in the clip? She said,

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Speaker 11: now you know you can't breathe. Now you know what

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Speaker 11: it's like all those times you were choking me. So

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Speaker 11: it sounds like that she was exercising dominion and control

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Speaker 11: over him so he wouldn't ever harm her again.

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Speaker 1: Oh you mean revenge.

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Speaker 10: No, I'm talking about being as.

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Speaker 1: It's very clear she brought that up.

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Speaker 2: But she's angry because she thinks he cheated on her,

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Speaker 2: so hybrid of them.

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Speaker 1: She revenge is.

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Speaker 2: Over, whether it's alleged choking or alleged cheating. Again, just

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Speaker 2: like voluntary use of drugs or alcohol is not a defense,

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Speaker 2: revenge is not a defense.

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Speaker 1: Not a defense.

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Speaker 2: Accident one percent a defense, a total defense, self defense

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent a defense. Insanity would be an affirmative defense,

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Speaker 2: where you say I did it, but I was crazy.

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Speaker 2: But revenge is not a defense. Hold on, let's see

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Speaker 2: what else we can learn from the nine to one

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Speaker 2: one call.

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Speaker 1: Then we're going to revisit her video.

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Speaker 4: Listen, Yes, like he has.

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Speaker 3: Like blood coming out of his mouth and I don't

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Speaker 3: know like.

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Speaker 11: He had a.

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Speaker 4: Right Okay, all right, okay, listen, we're gonna have a

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Speaker 4: photo t all right, Okay, okay, now okay, yeah, man,

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Speaker 4: this is we're on our way out. There are oas

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Speaker 4: hanging from somewhere. What man, No, I pulled him out

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Speaker 4: of the suitcah, I try giving him CPR. Okay, So

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Speaker 4: he was in a suitcase, yes, and I fell asleep. Okay,

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Speaker 4: how old is how.

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Speaker 2: Do you give you mea fell asleep while the boyfriend

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Speaker 2: still zipped up begging in a suitcase. Doctor Kendall Crowns

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Speaker 2: is joining me, renowned chief medical examiner Terrant, counting that

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Speaker 2: sport Worth never a lack of business in Dallas, Fort Worth,

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Speaker 2: lecturer at the esteemed Burnette School of Medicine at TCU,

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Speaker 2: Doctor Kendall Crowns, Why would a person be purple?

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Speaker 5: Why would they be purple? Well, that could be from

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Speaker 5: post mortem lividity that as their heart stops, the blood

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Speaker 5: pools and it gets kind of this purple coloration. It

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Speaker 5: could also be from the fact that he has a

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Speaker 5: lack of oxygen for a prolonged period of time, so

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Speaker 5: instead of his blood having that red coloration, it has

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Speaker 5: a more purplish kind of hue to it.

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Speaker 2: Hold on, first of all, I've got to understand what

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Speaker 2: you're saying. Lividity that means and regular people talk. For instance,

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Speaker 2: you lay down on your bed, on your back.

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Speaker 1: And you die.

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Speaker 2: Not going to discuss why you die, but you die.

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Speaker 1: The blood in your body since your heart is no.

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Speaker 2: Longer pumping, the blood settles to the lowest point, which

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Speaker 2: would me mean all your blood settles in your back,

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Speaker 2: your rear end, maybe the back of your legs. Blood

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Speaker 2: goes down to the lowest point lividity.

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Speaker 1: I understand that.

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Speaker 2: But his whole body is purple, so I would think

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Speaker 2: that a suitcase is not air tight. So it's not

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Speaker 2: a matter of having no air. Even if you don't

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Speaker 2: have enough air, you die.

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Speaker 5: Correct over time, You're not getting enough oxygen, So you're

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Speaker 5: not getting enough oxygen to your body's tissues, organs, of

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Speaker 5: things of that nature. He's in a restricted environment. He's

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Speaker 5: probably balled up in kind of a fetus position, making

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Speaker 5: it very difficult to breathe. So he is dying a

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Speaker 5: slow death of asshixiation or lack of oxygen getting So that.

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Speaker 1: Would be positional asphyxiation.

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Speaker 2: Yes, okay, guys, before we go to Stephanie Buffer Monte,

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Speaker 2: listen to more of the nine on one.

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Speaker 4: All right, listen to me. Okay, you need to confirm

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Speaker 4: this one that right, and I sand you need to

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Speaker 4: confirm this easy and weak at all? Is he conscious

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Speaker 9: No?

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Speaker 4: Be purple? He breathing?

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Speaker 8: No?

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Speaker 4: All right, I need you to get anything to get

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Speaker 4: him on the pool found his back and forth? Okay,

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Speaker 4: I did I did I tried giving him PPR? All right,

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Speaker 4: I tried giving him PPR. Yeah, we will purple.

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Speaker 1: Well, she's call him as a cucumber.

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Speaker 2: Now joining me, investigative reporter, Fox thirty five, Orlando, Stephanie

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Speaker 2: buffe Monty. Stephanie, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Tell me what happened.

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Speaker 8: So what we're seeing is that cell phone video shows

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Speaker 8: what happened that night. So there are two videos, one

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Speaker 8: taken at eight twenty and then one taken just after

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Speaker 8: eleven o'clock. And in one video you'll see the suitcase

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Speaker 8: is flipped the other way. And when she was asked

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Speaker 8: about this later by investigators, she you know, they were saying, hey,

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Speaker 8: you know, did you move the suitcase? And she said

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Speaker 8: she moved it from one side to the other. And

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Speaker 8: then you hear her in this video saying these really

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Speaker 8: horrendous things. This guy is pleading for his life, saying, Sarah, Sarah,

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Speaker 8: I can't breathe, and she's laughing. She is laughing and

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Speaker 8: telling him to shut up as he can't breathe and

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Speaker 8: is suffocating in this suitcase.

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Speaker 7: As we see.

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Speaker 2: Stephanie Buffalmonte joining me, investigator reporter, Fox thirty five Orlando, Stephanie,

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Speaker 2: you state that she, Sarah Boon, said horrific things while

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Speaker 2: the boyfriend is dying, Like, what what does she say?

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Speaker 8: So she was saying, shut up, this is what it

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Speaker 8: feels like when you choke me.

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Speaker 7: This is what it feels like when you cheat on me.

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Speaker 7: And she sounds a vengeful.

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Speaker 8: I mean, that's what investigators were saying in that interrogation

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Speaker 8: room with her, saying she was sounding malicious, saying that

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Speaker 8: she was laughing at him, and we can hear her

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Speaker 8: laughing at him as he is pleading for his life.

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Speaker 8: But that part where she talks about this is how

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Speaker 8: I feel when you choke me kind of speaks to

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Speaker 8: their previous relation of domestic abuse, which we know he

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Speaker 8: had been arrested for previously in their relationship.

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Speaker 1: You know what.

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Speaker 2: That may be true, and I don't like that, but

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Speaker 2: the death penalty meet it out by her is not

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Speaker 2: the answer under our jurisprudence. He was in the suitcase

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Speaker 2: for three hours before she.

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Speaker 1: Went to bed.

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Speaker 2: There is a video at eight twenty and a video

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Speaker 2: just after eleven PM.

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Speaker 1: During that time she flips over the suitcase.

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Speaker 2: I wonder why joining me an All star panel in

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Speaker 2: addition to doctor Kendall, Crown's Philip Dubay defense attorney and

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Speaker 2: Stephanie Buffamonte, to doctor Bethany Marshall, a renounced psycho analyst

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Speaker 2: She's the author of deal Breaker, doctor Bethany way in well.

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Speaker 12: In terms of domestic abuse, one of the reports read

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Speaker 6: So let's just take that off the table.

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Speaker 2: WHOA wait a minute, doctor Bethany Marshall, slow down, what

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Speaker 13: Was reading the reports? According to the responding officers who

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Speaker 6: Who was the victim.

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Speaker 13: So I think we have to look into that further

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Speaker 6: Let's be clear. She thought about this for a long

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Speaker 13: She thought about the most heinous and cruel way to

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Speaker 13: because you're playing hide and seek, right, You can't zip

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Speaker 13: Maybe you're told this is a part of sex play

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Speaker 13: Or let's just experiment with zipping up the suitcase and

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Speaker 13: it's not clear if he really cheated on her or

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Speaker 6: He would wake up in the middle of the night

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Speaker 13: She would just viciously kick him, and he came to

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Speaker 6: And I said to him, you didn't do anything wrong.

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Speaker 6: She just hates you and she's malicious and she wants

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Speaker 13: And so I think sometimes, you know, this cools a

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Speaker 6: We have to remember that some people are just cool, mean, homicidal,

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Sarah Boone from Upscale Winter Park, Florida, has been on

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Speaker 2: The verdict guilty of murder too.

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Speaker 1: But why.

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Speaker 7: My boyfriend had said I woke up and he was

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Speaker 4: Is he a week at all? Is be conscious at all?

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Speaker 2: According to the medical examiner, the victim had been in

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Speaker 2: Were covered in abrasions, bruises and cuts indicating blunt impacts

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Speaker 2: Did she beat him with a blunt object while he's

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Speaker 1: Least eleven hours.

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Speaker 2: Sarah Boom's demeanor, I'm here for feel me in you know, puting.

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Speaker 3: A puzzle together, and we've been doing some arbor.

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Speaker 14: In there there you are putting a puzzle together.

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Speaker 3: Yes, we have a puzzle that we started in there.

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Speaker 14: Okay, we've been doing.

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Speaker 3: Art, trying to kicking stuff off the law to make

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Speaker 6: Good time at one another.

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Speaker 3: But we're drinking. We had a bottle of wine last night.

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Speaker 3: So then it's like we decided to play hide and feet, right.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So he gets in the suitcase.

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Speaker 3: Okay, coolly, that's my expresent my former husband.

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Speaker 14: How did he live here with you?

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Speaker 4: By no?

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Speaker 1: I called him over here? Okay, okay, okay.

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Speaker 2: If you don't trust your own eyes, I'm like, who

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Speaker 1: Straight up to Robin Drake.

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Speaker 2: Why because he is a behavior expert and formerd FBI

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Speaker 2: Special Agent, Chief of the FBI Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis Program,

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Speaker 2: author of Unbreakable Alliances, a spy recruiters authoritative guide to

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Speaker 2: cultivating powerful and lasting connections. Okay, I'm more interested in

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Speaker 2: the book Sizing People Up, a veteran FBI agent's manual

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Speaker 1: Okay, Drake, thank you for joining us analyze what you

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Speaker 9: Well, not just in this moment, Henal lack the effect,

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Speaker 9: great case of obsessive compulsive personality disorder. She has a

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Speaker 9: being abused. Okay, then how did she get him to

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Speaker 9: high level of manipulation as well?

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Speaker 1: Okay, well explain that reasoning right there.

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Speaker 9: So how do you get a guy that is supposedly

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Speaker 9: interesting too, I know we've mentioned it briefly, but the

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Speaker 9: plays a huge part of this because it lowers the inhibition.

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Speaker 9: As we've already said from the other guests, this is

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Speaker 9: something she pre planned. It's something that was in her

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Speaker 9: of all of her other defense attorneys. And what more

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Speaker 9: control do you have when you actually kill someone by

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Speaker 1: You know what.

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Speaker 2: Stephanie Buffalmonte, joining US investigative reporter Fox thirty five Orlando,

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Speaker 2: when Robin Drake just said she's been through a few attorneys.

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Speaker 2: She's been through eight attorneys at my last count, and

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Speaker 2: several of them, according to my notes, state they're leaving

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Speaker 2: because of irreconcilable differences with her. She also pulls several

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Speaker 2: She gets angry when her cell is searched, but I

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Speaker 2: find it really interesting and possibly even probative. Although the

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Speaker 2: jury will never know this. She has lost eight lawyers.

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Speaker 2: They're like a parade of defense attorneys. And when a

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean to go through that many attorneys, and

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Speaker 7: That she was extremely difficult to work.

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Speaker 8: With, one of them even saying that they don't think

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Speaker 7: To show you something.

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Speaker 8: This is the flyer that she used to get her

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Speaker 8: to be representing her in her trials starting on October seventh,

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Speaker 8: And she wrote this in her jail cell.

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Speaker 7: And then put it out online.

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Speaker 8: And this is what the attorney said, is what brought

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Speaker 7: He saw this on social media.

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Speaker 8: So yeah, she's on does this saying Stephanie, I'll read

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Speaker 8: it to you because it's very interesting. I've never seen

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Speaker 8: something like this before. It says, inmate seeks attorney. Show

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Speaker 8: the world who you are with your original creativity, extraordinary expertise, confident,

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Speaker 8: opportunity awaits. I mean, have you ever seen something like this?

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Speaker 9: No?

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Speaker 1: I have not.

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Speaker 2: Philip Debay joining US veteran trial lawyer out of LA

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Speaker 2: What about it, Debay?

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Speaker 1: You ever had a flyer and answered an.

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Speaker 2: Ad basically a classified ad for an alleged killer, not.

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Speaker 10: A classified ad. But I have seen inmates do similar things.

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Speaker 11: You know, they feel that their case is going to

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Speaker 10: In the end. It's sort of a marketing ploy.

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Speaker 11: Take my case, I can't pay you, but you'll have

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Speaker 2: You know, doctor Bethany Marshall, you were right right on point,

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Speaker 1: With each other.

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Speaker 2: She has a battery by strangulation against him, and every

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Speaker 1: I gainst her on him.

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Speaker 12: That's right, And we know that abusers always abusers always

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Speaker 13: It's a strange reversal, so that might also be what's

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Speaker 13: says you cheated on me, I.

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Speaker 6: Imagine they were at a bar and he smiled.

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Speaker 13: I mean with with people like this, it's the most

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Speaker 6: To have avenge. I think this help wanted add Florida

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Speaker 6: attorney is very telling. What it tells me is she's

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Speaker 6: very grandiose. She thinks she's going to be the next

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Speaker 1: Sarah Boon, a Florida woman charged with.

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Speaker 2: Cajoling manipulating her boyfriend into a suitcase during an allegic

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Speaker 2: game of hide and seek, and she lives in there

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Speaker 2: for eleven hours until he dies, taunting him.

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Speaker 1: The entire time. Listen for everything you've done to me.

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Speaker 1: So for everything you've done to me.

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Speaker 6: So thank you, Thank you, Sarah.

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Speaker 1: Stupid Sarah, that's my name, don't hear it not?

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Speaker 6: Sarah.

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Speaker 8: I can.

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Speaker 1: S Yeah, that's when you're doing.

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Speaker 8: You shook me, Sarah, Sarah, Sarah, Sarah.

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Speaker 6: I can't breathe.

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Speaker 1: That's on you, Sarah.

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Speaker 10: I can't breathe.

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Speaker 7: That's on you, Sarah.

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Speaker 1: Real arounds and I want to get video for it, extra.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's what I feel like when you.

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Speaker 7: Me Sarah wait sorrow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he should probably.

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Speaker 2: Shout, you know, I'm not sure that I believe what

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Speaker 2: she's saying. Dr Bethonny Marshall joining us Psychoanalyst out of

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Speaker 2: l A. How could he be in the suitcase and

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Speaker 2: zip it up from the inside.

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Speaker 6: He could not zip up the suitcase from the inside.

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Speaker 13: So this whole hide and seek thing, A three year

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Speaker 13: old knows when you play hide and seek, you do

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Speaker 13: it without the other person knowing. So she's really made

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Speaker 13: up the defense after the fact, hasn't she She lured

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Speaker 13: him there, and I'm very curious about how she might

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Speaker 13: have lured him there. I'm guessing, as I said earlier,

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Speaker 13: that she's thought about this for a long long time.

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Speaker 13: She planned this.

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Speaker 6: She didn't want to poison him, didn't want to stab him,

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Speaker 6: that's too obvious. So dressing it up as sex play,

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Speaker 6: you know, you get in the suitcase and then we're

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Speaker 6: going to have a lot of fun afterwards. That's what

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Speaker 6: she did.

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Speaker 13: She made up sort of a fictitious game that they

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Speaker 13: were playing to put him in that suitcase. And you know, Nancy,

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Speaker 13: do you see that suitcase heaving as she's watching. It's

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Speaker 13: like he's trying to expand his body to get some

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Speaker 13: space to breathe. And also we have to knowledge that

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Speaker 13: sadism involved in this. I mean, who of us are

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Speaker 13: not claustrophobic in some cases? So putting him in a

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Speaker 13: claustrophobic situation is incredible cruelty. No, it's not you know,

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Speaker 13: putting out your cigarette butts on him, it's not strangling him,

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Speaker 13: it's not pulling out his fingernails.

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Speaker 6: But it is incredibly psychologically cruel I'm.

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Speaker 2: Just very curious how he ends up in that suitcase

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Speaker 2: and whether he zipped himself in.

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Speaker 1: I think that's impossible. She had to zip him in.

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Speaker 2: Stephanie Buffamonte joining us from Fox thirty five. Stephanie, do

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Speaker 2: we know the size of that suitcase?

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Speaker 8: I don't know the exact size, but you can kind

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Speaker 8: of see in the room where it's placed. It looks

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Speaker 8: like your average suitcase, not super big. But she said

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Speaker 8: it was something that they were using. It was downstairs

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Speaker 8: because they were going to bring clothes to goodwill. And

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Speaker 8: to Bethany's point, investigators say he was actually trying to

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Speaker 8: do it. Looked like he was pushing himself, trying to

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Speaker 8: push himself out of the suitcase. Now, Sarah and miss

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Speaker 8: zipping up the suitcase. She said she zipped it up,

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Speaker 8: but she said that she thought that there were he

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Speaker 8: had two fingers out where he was going to be

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Speaker 8: able to unzip it. But you can see in the

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Speaker 8: video the suitcase is flipped the other way. So if

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Speaker 8: you think of it like how you're packing for a vacation,

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Speaker 8: you open it up, you know that's the thin layer

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Speaker 8: on top, but it was flipped the other way around.

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Speaker 7: In that later video.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall, what is it with murder and suitcases.

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Speaker 1: That there has to I mean, I've got so many.

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Speaker 2: Suitcase examples real life cases where people were killed and

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Speaker 2: disposed of in left in suitcases. There's got to be

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Speaker 2: some psychological or psychiatric connection.

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Speaker 6: Well, I think it's.

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Speaker 13: The most convenient way to transport something, right, So if

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Speaker 13: you want to hide a body, put the body in

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Speaker 13: the suitcase.

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Speaker 6: But in this particular case, Sarah.

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Speaker 13: Boone, I think she wanted to create a claustrophobic situation

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Speaker 13: for him. I think she wanted to put him in

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Speaker 13: something where she could still hear him, he could breathe

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Speaker 13: the tiny little bit so she could taunt and torment

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Speaker 13: and torture him over time. And from this standpoint, the

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Speaker 13: suitcase seems quite convenient. I mean, disposing of a child

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Speaker 13: in a field and putting them in a suitcase just

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Speaker 13: seems like you haven't adequately prepared the dump site.

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Speaker 6: In this case, she thought about this, She prepared this.

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Speaker 6: She may have even said, hey, sweetie.

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Speaker 13: Let's go take close to the Goodwill so that she

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Speaker 13: could put the suitcase downstairs and then put him in it.

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Speaker 2: Not a Bethony Marshall, dare I disagree with you on

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Speaker 2: a psychological point, but I think there's more to it,

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Speaker 2: or the act of putting someone in a suitcase. You're

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Speaker 2: packing them away. They're like an object. You zip it

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Speaker 2: up and leave them. They're out of your purview, they're

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Speaker 2: out of your mind, basically dehumanizing them. You said it's

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Speaker 2: an easy way to transport somebody, Well, it's linking blood

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Speaker 2: and human body fluids. They act of transporting someone in

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Speaker 2: a suitcase. That's got to mean something. I mean, I'm

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Speaker 2: coming for tea for expertise, doctor Bethany, not say oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: we can carry the body really really easily in a

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Speaker 2: roller board.

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Speaker 1: Not what I was expecting, Bethany.

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Speaker 13: Okay, two things come to mind the cases we've covered,

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Speaker 13: Dig Deep, Okay, Dig Deep, that women and their families

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Speaker 13: who have been put in tunnels, secreted away behind a

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Speaker 13: door so that the perpetrator can have absolute control over them,

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Speaker 13: or children or women who have been buried and in

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Speaker 13: terms of an act of cruelty, so they suffocate alive.

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Speaker 13: And I think that there's some confluence of factors here

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Speaker 13: where the perpetrator wants absolute control with a victim and

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Speaker 13: being able to transport them wherever you want is also

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Speaker 13: a form of control.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: After losing many many defense attorneys, her current defense attorney

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Speaker 2: James Owen said outside the courthouse. Boone was quote in

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Speaker 2: shock at the verdict. Really, I'm not shocked at all.

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Speaker 1: And this is why. Listen to what happened.

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Speaker 3: And I putting a puzzle together, and we've been doing

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Speaker 3: some arm right in there there.

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Speaker 14: And you are putting a puzzle together.

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Speaker 3: Yes, we have a puzzle that we started in there. Okay,

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Speaker 3: we've been doing our time, kicking stuff off the law

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Speaker 3: to make you are put up there like having a.

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Speaker 6: Good time with one another.

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Speaker 3: But we're drinking. We had a bottle of wine last

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Speaker 3: night and okay. So then it's like we've decided to

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Speaker 3: play hide and seek, right, Okay, So he gets into suitcase. Okay,

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Speaker 3: of course this is that. That's my acceptment.

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Speaker 14: My former husband of welovey with.

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Speaker 3: You by no I called him over here.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, wait a minute, how did the former husband

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Speaker 2: get there before the police are the EMTs? I guess

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Speaker 2: he has some stories he could tell. Stephanie Buffamonte joining

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Speaker 2: us Fox thirty five, she called the husband her ex

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Speaker 2: husband to the same before she called perimedics to try

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Speaker 2: to save the victim.

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Speaker 8: Yes, so she called her ex husband first. He came over,

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Speaker 8: and then she said about five minutes after he came over, she.

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Speaker 7: Then called nine to one one.

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Speaker 8: And what's interesting, if you watch the bondycam video, the husband.

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Speaker 7: Had said he had been there.

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Speaker 8: The ex husband excuse me, had said he had been

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Speaker 8: calling her all morning because she was supposed to take

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Speaker 8: care of their kid or something like that, and that

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Speaker 8: she was known to be drunk a lot of the times.

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Speaker 7: And then he.

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Speaker 8: Also talked about their relationship being so rocky and that

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Speaker 8: there had been domestic abuse before, so he kind of

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Speaker 8: was ready telling deputies right away that she has had

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Speaker 8: problems before. We also heard from investigators that they spoke

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Speaker 8: to her neighbors who kind of painted the same picture

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Speaker 8: of her, someone who gets drunk a lot. And you know,

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Speaker 8: here's issues with the two of them in their in

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Speaker 8: their apartment.

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Speaker 1: Guys, you got to hear of this.

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Speaker 2: Take a listen to her speaking to police, for she

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Speaker 2: complains she's the one suffering and I called.

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Speaker 1: Him while I wasn't start.

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Speaker 14: Probably give me a fall apart here. Let me fill

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Speaker 14: this depian.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we've mad my doctor pepper.

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Speaker 14: I am a no cotton mouth now, ma'am.

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Speaker 3: And you can't talk to him until we eat that cier.

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Speaker 14: Okay, just don't leave, Okay, Bryan, thank you, ma'am.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany, she's suffering because she has dry mouth. I've

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Speaker 2: got severe cotton mouth. May I have my doc to

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Speaker 2: Pepper's drunk this time?

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Speaker 1: Okay, she's totally cyber.

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Speaker 6: Well, actually, when you drink a lot, you do get thirsty.

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Speaker 6: That's one of the signs.

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Speaker 1: So that I hear are actually saying that to me?

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Speaker 1: Or did you actually say that? First?

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Speaker 2: You say a suitcase is a great way to transport

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Speaker 2: a dead body. Now you're defending her with her cotton mouth.

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Speaker 2: Who kills your doctor Bethany and is wearing her skin.

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Speaker 13: I think it's fascinating that she's already thought of the

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Speaker 13: defense before she calls the police. Right. She says that

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Speaker 13: this is a happy domestic situation. In so many words,

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Speaker 13: they're putting together a puzzle. They're going to remove art

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Speaker 13: from the wall. It's sort of like there's this cozy

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Speaker 13: domestic situation going on between the two of them and this.

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Speaker 1: Except that he's dead.

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Speaker 13: Except that he's dead. But she's thought a long time

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Speaker 13: about this.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Robin Drake, help me out.

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Speaker 2: You're the chief of the FBI counter Intelligence Behavioral Analysis Program.

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Speaker 1: She's he's dead, he's purple, and she's whining that she

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Speaker 1: has cotton mouth and she demands her doctor pepper.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's all about her. Everything's all about her, and

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Speaker 9: we're seeing this life arc of her that we're even

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Speaker 9: getting a glimpse of it from her ex husband is

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Speaker 9: saying a pattern of substance abuse, a pattern of self centeredness,

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Speaker 9: that the child, if there's a child involved here, it

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Speaker 9: sounds like the child lives with him. And then really

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Speaker 9: interesting language that she's using as well. She in one

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Speaker 9: of the samements, she said I put him in a suitcase.

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Speaker 9: Not he got in the suitcase. It was I put in.

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Speaker 9: Then she counters it at a later time saying that

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Speaker 9: he got in, So which is it? I think again

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Speaker 9: it goes back to the self centeredness control, and I'm

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Speaker 9: on board with you with She completely objectified him, dehumanized

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Speaker 9: him by putting him in a suitcase like a thing,

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Speaker 9: like an object.

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Speaker 2: Okay, here's one more thing. You know, she's really got

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Speaker 2: to get her slate.

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what happened, okay. And then you weren't

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Speaker 3: sure about if you woke up this morning. It was

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Speaker 3: after it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I wasn't late.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon, but I didn't want to come downstairs. Okay, laid

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Speaker 3: in the bed for a little while, and then I

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Speaker 3: eventually came out stairs to the hut about where he was.

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Speaker 3: And then I was like, oh my god, you've got

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Speaker 3: a big page bill. So I pulled him out and

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Speaker 3: I run him out, and I firdly.

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Speaker 10: Described to me a c DR point.

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Speaker 3: I called you guys who I called front and then

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Speaker 3: I a soon as you got here, which is pretty

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Speaker 3: second down.

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Speaker 1: The road, I called you guy.

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Speaker 2: Philip Dubay, veteran defense attorney joining us out of LA.

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Speaker 2: So she just decided to sleep in that morning. Didn't

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Speaker 2: want to come downstairs. I guess didn't want to see

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Speaker 2: the dead body in the suitcase.

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Speaker 1: You really believe she slept.

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Speaker 2: Through the night with him in a suitcase, and then

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Speaker 2: the next morning decided to just sleep in, have a

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Speaker 2: nice long nap.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I do.

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Speaker 11: The Blaseie Cavalier attitude about it tells us that she

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Speaker 11: was probably a little hungover that she slept the night

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Speaker 11: through from having down three four glasses of wine.

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Speaker 10: It probably really loosened her up to the.

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Speaker 11: Point where She just knotted off, fell asleep, woke up,

672
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Speaker 11: and then when she realized what she had done, she

673
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Speaker 11: picks up the phone and called nine one one in

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Speaker 11: a panic. You know, usually in the suitcase homicides, Nancy,

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Speaker 11: what they do is they leave the body in the

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Speaker 11: suitcase and they find the appropriate dumping spot to get

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Speaker 11: rid of it, to try to cover it up. She

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Speaker 11: didn't do that. The first thing she told nine one

679
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Speaker 11: one is she tried to give them mouth to mouth,

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Speaker 11: tried to give the mouth.

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Speaker 2: Do you think you're the only one that's tried a

682
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Speaker 2: lot of homicides? Listen, killers aren't always rocket scientists. They're

683
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Speaker 2: not brain surgeons. They're not like Bethany or Dodger Kendall Crowns.

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Speaker 2: You don't really give her a gold star on an

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Speaker 2: A plus because she didn't dispose of the body.

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Speaker 11: No, her mouth got her into the biggest trouble, if

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Speaker 11: you want to be honest about it.

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Speaker 2: She ran zipping her boyfriend into the suitcase and letting

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Speaker 2: him die while she taunts him is what got her

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Speaker 2: into trouble. And to you, Dodger Kendall Crowns, if they

691
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Speaker 2: split a bottle of water, which I don't know that

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Speaker 2: they even did that, and they split it right down

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Speaker 2: the middle, So she had two glasses, three glasses maybe,

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Speaker 2: and that makes her sleep till one o'clock the next day.

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Speaker 1: I'm not buying that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd be surprised by that too, because three glasses

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Speaker 5: of wine would put her blood alcohol at about point

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Speaker 5: zero six, so she's not even at the legal limit

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Speaker 5: for intoxication. So I don't think she's wiped out all

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Speaker 5: day from three glasses of wine.

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Speaker 1: Oh ahead, what do you tell his parents?

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Speaker 13: Right?

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Speaker 1: What's the reason house away?

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Speaker 9: What we know about them?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, and that.

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Speaker 12: We're going to be waiting for the autopsy results, and

707
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Speaker 12: I will be at the autopsy of the wine, and

708
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Speaker 12: hopefully the doctor will be able to give me some

709
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 12: of them of what.

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Speaker 7: They think and see their number.

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Speaker 9: They can act.

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Speaker 1: Them, you know. But yeah, they're gonna they're gonna know

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Speaker 1: what we're here.

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Speaker 3: What you know, what we're investigating, and that we're still

715
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Speaker 3: they're going to think how to heal him. They always

716
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 3: have said that. I've always always always said that, I

717
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Speaker 3: told you it's because I'm the blue.

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Speaker 1: Lied white dragon.

719
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Speaker 2: So his body is purple, body is still inside dead.

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Speaker 1: And she's like, what are you going to tell the parents. Now,

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Speaker 1: that's not all. Listen to this.

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Speaker 6: I don't think you all understand who I am.

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Speaker 12: Where I mean, I've always been a straight age student.

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Speaker 6: I am an outstanding motor.

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Speaker 1: To my son.

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Speaker 10: I fell everything.

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Speaker 8: I would not do that you wouldn't watch time to do.

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Speaker 6: Somebody in a suitcase, Well, I didn't like completely lock it.

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Speaker 13: I mean I opened it with one finger.

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Speaker 6: I left enough in there for to get out. And

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Speaker 6: I wasn't planning on going upstairs.

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Speaker 1: And I'm going to sleep. Okay, so going upstairs and

733
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Speaker 1: I want to sleep. That was an excellent too, Robindrake,

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Speaker 1: what is she saying?

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Speaker 2: She's really digging her own grave with her own teeth.

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Speaker 2: The more she talks, the deeper the grave gifts. Because

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Speaker 2: she says, Hey, you don't know who I am. I'm

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Speaker 2: all a student. That sounds to me like when Dabriel Leffae,

739
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Speaker 2: who was charged with child Mowa's station of young young boys,

740
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Speaker 2: basically argued, I'm too pretty to go to jail.

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Speaker 1: Or ethan couch.

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Speaker 2: He mowed down a whole group of people on the

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Speaker 2: side of the road, and he says, I'm too rich

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Speaker 2: to go to jail. This one's saying I shouldn't go

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Speaker 2: to jail because ooh, because I'm an straight A student.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, and she's also used an interesting language here as well.

747
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Speaker 9: She didn't say I didn't do that, She said I

748
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Speaker 9: wouldn't do that. So she's disincent herself from the actual

749
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Speaker 9: event itself. It's a classic thing. We've seen a lot

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Speaker 9: of different murder trials and we're a lot of different

751
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 9: murderers that they've tried to dissi themselves from their victims

752
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 9: by using language that is like that. Again, her lack

753
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Speaker 9: of effector in the entire process is profound, and it

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00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 9: keeps focusing on her. She's not having any reaction that

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Speaker 9: you expect from someone that just lost someone's close them, boyfriend, husband, anyone.

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Speaker 9: She just seems completely unaffected by the entire thing except

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Speaker 9: the impact.

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Speaker 1: On her definitely, buff A Monte. You spoke with lawyer

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Speaker 1: number nine. What did you learn?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so he was in court yesterday for a pre

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Speaker 7: trial hearing.

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Speaker 8: That new lawyer is James Owens, and he was the

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Speaker 8: person who saw that flyer and decided he wanted to

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Speaker 8: defend Sarah Boone And he was talking yesterday about what

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Speaker 8: his defense is going to be and he said it's

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Speaker 8: going well. He would like it to be a batter

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Speaker 8: spouse syndrome. And we know the trial is on October seventh.

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Speaker 7: And because of all the delays.

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Speaker 8: With lawyer after lawyer after lawyer, than Sarah saying that

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Speaker 8: she was going to defend herself and now getting this

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Speaker 8: latest attorney, the attorney had asked for a continuance so

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Speaker 8: he could get time to get a forensic psychologist and

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Speaker 8: other witnesses because he has to find his motion for

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Speaker 8: defense on the ninth of September, because you have to

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Speaker 8: do that thirty days out. So now time is of

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Speaker 8: the essence and you can see it and hear it

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Speaker 8: in that newest attorney's voice.

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Speaker 2: Segment four, State's Attorney Andrew Bain says this was a

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Speaker 2: horrific homicide.

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Speaker 1: Today justice was served.

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Speaker 2: With the conviction of Sarah Boone, believe it or not,

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Speaker 2: the so called suitcase killer testify quote. I looked over

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Speaker 2: and saw him settling into the suitcase. I zipped him up.

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Speaker 2: We thought it was funny and we're joking about how

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Speaker 2: he was small enough to fit inside the suitcase.

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Speaker 1: Woman, he's stiff and purple. What's funny about that? Well,

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Speaker 1: Sarah boom.

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Speaker 2: The so called suitcase killer is headed off to jail

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Speaker 2: and she will have plenty of time to think about

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Speaker 2: what she did.

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Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,