1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:08,639 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A beautiful young nursing student 2 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: Lake and Riley, murdered on a morning jog. Believe it 3 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: or not, Even though we have gotten a verdict against 4 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 1: the trand gangster jose Ebarra, it's not over yet. I'm 5 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being 6 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: with us. That's right. It's only been in the last 7 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: weeks that jose Ebarra was convicted and sentenced to life 8 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 1: in prison for the vicious murder of a beautiful young 9 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 1: nursing student, Lake and Riley, near the UGA University of 10 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: Georgia campus. But believe it or not, this guy knows 11 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: no shame. The Tregua gang member hose Ebarra, sentenced to 12 00:00:54,880 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: life without parole, has now demanded a new trial. Are 13 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: you kidding me? Does he really think the same judge 14 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: that acted as judge and jury in a bench trial 15 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 1: finding him guilty and sentencing him to life without the 16 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: possibility of parole is suddenly going to grant a new trial. 17 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 1: Not with this evidence. Let's start with what we know. 18 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: Take a listen to Chief Jeff Clark, a University Georgia PD. 19 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 2: On February twenty second, twenty twenty four, at approximately twelve 20 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 2: seven pm, the University of Georgia Police Department received a 21 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 2: call from an individual concern for a friend who had 22 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 2: gone jogging at the inn Mirror of Fields. Our officers 23 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 2: responded to that area and immediately began a search of 24 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 2: the area to attempt to locate the individual. Officers located 25 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 2: the individuals in the area behind Lake Herrick at approximately 26 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 2: twelve thirty eight. The individual was unconscious and not breathing 27 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 2: and had visible injuries. Officers immediately begin rendering medical Eight 28 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 2: emergency medical responders determined that the individual was deceased upon 29 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 2: their arrival. 30 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: This poor little girl, there's nothing they could do to 31 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: save her. When I first heard she was unresponsive, I 32 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 1: thought maybe she was just passed out cold, maybe she 33 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 1: was in a coma. But no, she was left there dead. 34 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:41,519 Speaker 1: I'm going to find out all the facts about how 35 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: she was left. You know. I want to point out 36 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 1: that normally I get a bad taste in my mouth, 37 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: my teeth go on edge when I hear campus police 38 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 1: are handling a case. I think back to Kristen Smart, 39 00:02:56,400 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: remember that how badly they ruined murder investigation. But in 40 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: this case, I've got to say, it seems to me 41 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 1: that the UGAPD did everything right, God willing, but it 42 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: sounds like they did. You were just hearing Chief Jeff 43 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: Clark as he addresses the discovery of this young girl's 44 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: body with me an all star panel to make sense 45 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: of what we know right now. Before I go to 46 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 1: Jason Dennis Main anchor WTVM on the case from the beginning, 47 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: I want to go to a longtime friend and colleague 48 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: who I immediately thought of when I heard about Lake 49 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: and Riley the nursing student. It's Phil Vitrono. We all 50 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: lived through on the outside looking in. When Karina Vitrono, 51 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: his beautiful young daughter, was out jogging, he always jogged 52 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: with her like my dad did. That one day he 53 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: had a bad ailment that he just couldn't go, And 54 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: when she didn't call him and he didn't hear from her, 55 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: he knew something was wrong. He knew it was just 56 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: a sixth sense. Phil Vitronto, Thank you for being with us. 57 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: You know. Phil Vitronto, by the way, was hauled out 58 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 1: of his daughter's funeral as they were about to have 59 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: the funeral to get his DNA taken. Did he complain. No, 60 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 1: did he endure abuse online in the media speculation, Yes, 61 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: he was stood at all until Karna's killer was convicted. Phil, 62 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: when you see another story, when you heard about Lake 63 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 1: and Riley, do you feel like nothing is being done? 64 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 3: Nancy, When I first heard the story, to quote Yogi Berra, it. 65 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 4: Was like deja vu all over again. 66 00:04:58,440 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 5: I mean, we had. 67 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 3: Vanessa Arcott and then we had Molly Tibbitts, and now 68 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 3: we have Lincoln and the situation, the circumstances are so similar. 69 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 3: I mean, the perpetrator was not a non US citizen, 70 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 3: had no care about human life, just dumped the bodies. 71 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean when I first heard this, I 72 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:33,359 Speaker 3: felt I went right. 73 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:36,799 Speaker 4: Back to seven years ago, which was not a good. 74 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: Place, not a good place at all. Guys, Phil Vitronto 75 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: is weighing in. Phil, please jump in whenever a thought 76 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: occurs to you, because you have lived through this same 77 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:54,359 Speaker 1: exact scenario. Let me go straight out to Jason Dennis 78 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 1: now for the very lace and what we know happened. 79 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: I'm very curious. First of all, Jason Dennis, take a 80 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: listen to Rachel Bania crime Online. 81 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 6: Riley sits out on a morning run she grabs her phone, 82 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 6: telling her roommate that she'll be back after a half 83 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 6: run at the UGA campus intermural field. When Riley doesn't 84 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 6: return for hours, her roommate calls campus police nine one 85 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 6: one at twelve oh seven pm. 86 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: Jason Dennis again, thank you for being with us. I 87 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 1: want to talk about not so much leading up to 88 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 1: the discovery of her body. I want to talk about 89 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: the evidence. I want to talk about how she was found, 90 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: who found her, at the condition of her body hit it. 91 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 7: She was found right next to a lake next to 92 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 7: the intermural fields. And my son is a sophomore at 93 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 7: the University of Georgia. He actually parks there at the 94 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 7: innermural fields. And so around this lake is a pretty 95 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 7: it's a pretty normal place for students, for people in 96 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:54,479 Speaker 7: the community of Athens, Georgia, to run around. And this 97 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 7: was on a Thursday morning, you know, right in the 98 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 7: middle of the week, nice weather there at lake like 99 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 7: herrick and as the you know, UGA police sheep was 100 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:06,679 Speaker 7: talking about and he says he called this a crime 101 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 7: of opportunity. So she went there running, we assume, by herself, 102 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 7: and you know, he apparently mister Obara twenty six year 103 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 7: old Jose Antonio Ibarra. The suspect here in a legal 104 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 7: immigrant from Venezuela. He lives in an apartment complex. It's 105 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 7: literally right next to this lake. That area where she 106 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 7: was killed, where she was found is right behind his 107 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 7: apartment complex, so essentially a five minute walk for him 108 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 7: to that area. So as Uga police called it a 109 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 7: crime of opportunity. He's still behind bars, no bond, long 110 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 7: list of charges like malice, murder, felony, murder, kidnapping. And 111 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 7: she was found there, like you said, like we heard before, 112 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 7: unresponsive and dead on the scene. So she was left 113 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 7: dead there blunt force trauma. 114 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 5: You know. 115 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 7: He's accused of killing her in a brutal way and 116 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 7: leaving her there dead to be found around lunchtime. Very somber, 117 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 7: very sad vibe on campus. 118 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: This is the. 119 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 7: First murder actually on ug's campus in thirty years, according 120 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 7: to the staff there at the school. 121 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, Jason Dennis, that campus, PD, They're on you like 122 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: a cheap suit. We have a family friend whose son 123 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: attended j graduated with honors, a musician the works, then 124 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: got a job connected to Homeland security. He was a 125 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: musician walking down music road there in Athens and somebody 126 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: threw an ID over a fence at a bar. He 127 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: picked up the ID. He walked to the front of 128 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,839 Speaker 1: the of the entrance and went, this just came over 129 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 1: the fence and the cops got him for using a 130 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: fake IDA. He went, I'm not using the fake ID. 131 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: It just came long story short, they're watching you like crazy, 132 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: and I firmly believe this is very well the first 133 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 1: homicide in at least thirty years. Crime Stories with Nancy 134 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: Grace Welcome Back. Lawyers for Jose Ebarra, an illegal immigrant 135 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: from Venezuela, insist he should get a new trial. Incredible 136 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: Judge h Patrick Hager presided over the judge and I 137 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,839 Speaker 1: guarantee you it will be a cold ay in hubl 138 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 1: that Hagar grants the motion for a new trial. That 139 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: is not going to happen. But Ibarra's defense attorneys insist 140 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: the decision was quote contrary to law and quote to 141 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: the evidence. They also claimed the judge quote committed other 142 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:55,199 Speaker 1: errors of law that necessitate a new trial. Really. Cheryl McCollum, 143 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: director of the Cold Case Research Institute and star of 144 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: Zone seven Hit podcast, Cheryl, I've been to Uga, I've 145 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 1: seen the running path. A lot of young ladies run 146 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: that path all the time. And I can't believe Cheryl 147 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 1: that everybody's screaming about. Why was she jogging by herself? 148 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: What was she wearing? Was she wearing shorts? Was she 149 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: wearing a jogging broth? Why was she alone? Why did 150 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: she pick that time of the day. It's obscene. Why 151 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: aren't we talking about this guy who came into the 152 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: country illegally? Number one? He was detained at I believe 153 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: it's Eel Passo coming across the border. They let him go. 154 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: Then he was arrested in New York. They let him go, 155 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: and here he comes to Uga to collide with Laken. 156 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: Before I get on that, tell me what you observed 157 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: about the scene. I want to see if I agree 158 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:55,719 Speaker 1: with you. 159 00:10:55,840 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 8: Okay, when you get right there at Lady Harry, there's 160 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 8: a multi level parking day so this is a well 161 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 8: used area. You've got innermural fields where the band practices. 162 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 8: You've got multiple tennis courts. When we were there Friday 163 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 8: end Saturday, there were tons of students playing tennis and 164 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:21,719 Speaker 8: pickle bowl. There were elderly people walking the path, there 165 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 8: were people with their dogs, there were people kayaking. This 166 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:28,959 Speaker 8: is not a place that is not well traveled by folks. 167 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: Okay, stop right there, stop right there, stop right there, guys. 168 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: She has been on the ground for the last two days, 169 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: combing the area to report back everything she could find. 170 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 1: Does anybody on the panel know whether Lakin was clothed 171 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: or unclothed or partially clothed? Jump in. 172 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 9: She was discovered, you know, with extreme facial injuries from 173 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 9: what I was able to determine in my conversations. And 174 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 9: of course, the problem here, Nancy, is something that we 175 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 9: all need to be aware of. As an instructor for 176 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 9: the Bureau, you know, I taught death investigations, and one 177 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 9: of the important points here is that individuals, when they 178 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,559 Speaker 9: are in areas that are protected like this area is 179 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 9: supposed to be that area is supposed to be watched, 180 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 9: it's supposed to be well traveled, but apparently it wasn't 181 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 9: at the time. And we know these serial offenders, or 182 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 9: these offenders like the individual who's charge here, frequently target 183 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 9: areas of people. And my largest question is how in 184 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 9: the world did they come from New York? How are 185 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,199 Speaker 9: they living when they're not working in this apartment that's 186 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 9: only five minutes away from this school, and you know 187 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 9: they were in that area. They've seen he has seen 188 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 9: that individual, if not that individual, other young ladies jogging 189 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 9: by themselves, and they're certainly encouraged to do that. It's 190 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 9: a health issue. It's a middle issue with running, and 191 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 9: so it's unfortunate that we can't protect women wherever they are. 192 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: But we know this. 193 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 9: Women have a right to be frightened of certain men, 194 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 9: and that's exactly what's happened here. 195 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: You're hearing Dale Carson joining us high profile lawyer out 196 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: of Jacksonville. He also and more importantly, former FPI agent 197 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: and former beat coop in Miami Dade. Never lack of 198 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: business there, Dale, You're absolutely right, Cheryl McComb, I want 199 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: to get back to the location. I like that you 200 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: pointed out how well used this area is, in other words, populated. Cheryl. 201 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: I'm a runner and there have been many times, and 202 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: you know I've talked about it well. I will be 203 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: running no earbuds in Fielvitronto taught us that because Karina 204 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: had in earbuds, didn't hear what was sneaking up behind her. 205 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: But no earbuds. But when you're running you're in a 206 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 1: groove and you're not necessarily looking around you. But everyone 207 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:03,319 Speaker 1: in a while I get a feeling like, hey, I've 208 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: gone too far. I need to turn around and get back. 209 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: I don't even know where I am right now. And 210 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: that's what happens. But this girl, Laken had a route. 211 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: She had a particular route, and we're hearing that the 212 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: defendant may he rot in Hell, only lived a few 213 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: minutes away. He knew this trail. He watched it like 214 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: a predator, like a hyena at the water, watching the 215 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: gazelles approach, and he waited for just the right one 216 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: at the right time, and he pounced. And I guarantee 217 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: MT you technical legal term that he did or try 218 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: to sex assault this young girl. He didn't just jump 219 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: on her for what and to steal her tennis shoes. No, 220 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: this guy, I guarantee you, I attacked her and he 221 00:14:56,280 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: needs to go straight to the Georgia death penalty as 222 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: a pit stop to Hell. She did everything right, Cheryl. 223 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: They had band practice there, pick a ball, tennis. It's 224 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: a very well used jogging path, Cheryl. What else did 225 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: you see? 226 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 8: The most important thing to me is the route is 227 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 8: very clear where you start at the parking deck, you 228 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 8: run this whole route, you come right back to it. 229 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 8: She was a cross country runner in high school. She 230 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 8: was not unfamiliar with this terrain. So down by where 231 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 8: Lake Harrick is is where it's very populated, a whole 232 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 8: bunch of folks. Once you get to the top of 233 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 8: the route coming back down, that's the part through the woods. 234 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 8: That's where he was waking on her. So again instead 235 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 8: of asking why was she there, why was he there? 236 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 8: Why was he allowed to stalk and attack and murder 237 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 8: and then walk back home and Nancy from the back 238 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 8: of his apartment complex. So if you go to Milledgeville Avenue, 239 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 8: it backs right up to this path that leads you 240 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 8: to railroad tracks. Right over that is the path that 241 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 8: he took to grab her, assault her, and murder her. 242 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: And as the clare fenced off, is it no. 243 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 8: Surrey, there's no fence, it's wide open, and there's multiple 244 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 8: apartment complexes that can lead down to this lovely area. 245 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 8: And I am telling you, I saw people in their 246 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 8: eighties walking, I saw people from the community there, I 247 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 8: saw students there. It is a beautiful place. But again 248 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 8: from his back door, as the crow files it. What 249 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 8: in't five minutes? 250 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 9: Is there any visual connection? 251 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: Yes, he can see from his apartment into the area. 252 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: He's just a few moments where he lives, I believe 253 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: with his brother, who is now behind bars on other charges, 254 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: has had at least three of us that we know. 255 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: I mean, these two enter our country illegally. They live 256 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: off the taxpayers. They have an arrest, the brother, multiple arrests. 257 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 1: This guy one arrest. They're still here, and he murders 258 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: our lakin our girl a Deans list. You look at her, 259 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: Look at her. There she is all dressed up to 260 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: be a nurse, wearing the little white jacket. She can't 261 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: wait to take care of other people. That's over. She 262 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: was brutally beaten. Joe Scott Morgan, what can you tell 263 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: me about her mode of death? Guys, Joseph Scott Morgan 264 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 1: is with us, professor of forens at Saint Jacksonville State University, 265 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:37,360 Speaker 1: and I've got to tell you I've done several recreations 266 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: there myself. It's an incredible program. He's the author of 267 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon and a star of 268 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 1: a hit podcast, Bodybags with Joe Scott Morgan. Joe Scott, 269 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 1: tell me about this little girl's mode of deaths twenty 270 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: two years old, Dean's list, her family devastated. And then 271 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: I've got this sack of crap behind bars who came 272 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: in our country illegally and murdered this girl. How did 273 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,120 Speaker 1: he kill her? According to police? 274 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 10: Yeah, according to the police. What they're saying is that 275 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 10: she sustained multiple blunt force trauma, and that can mean 276 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 10: any number of things. We think about someone picking up 277 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 10: a blunt object like a bat or you know, any 278 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 10: a rock or that sort of thing attacking someone. However, 279 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 10: you the deeper you dive into this, you begin to 280 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 10: think about Remember he talked about a case of opportunity, 281 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 10: and there's several ways to kind of skin that cat, 282 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 10: if you will. So a case of opportunity. If he 283 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 10: is there, he doesn't have a weapon, Potentially he is 284 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 10: being her to death with his with his hands, or 285 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 10: he could have stepped on her. So that's going to 286 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 10: be very important from a physical. 287 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: Evidence, spin white, white white. He didn't just step on her. 288 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:57,199 Speaker 1: If his feet were the murder weapons, he had to 289 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: kick her brutally. You know, when we heard the chief 290 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 1: of police at Uga say it was crime of opportunity 291 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: that tells me he came down just waiting, like I said, 292 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:14,439 Speaker 1: a hyena, a predator without a weapon. Opportunity. That tells 293 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 1: me he is like Bundy, used a club, a piece 294 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: of wood, a rock, his fists, his feet. And I 295 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 1: believe Joe Scott, she fought like hell and therefore he 296 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: murdered her. 297 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 10: Yeah, and one other thing, Nancy is very important. We 298 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 10: have to examine this word opportunity. I wonder from a 299 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 10: physical evidence standpoint, this is kind of fascinating something to explore. 300 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 10: Did he have a hide set up that is an 301 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:45,120 Speaker 10: observable point where he could see people coming and going? 302 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 10: He had picked out the location, and is there physical 303 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:51,360 Speaker 10: tie back set location? Let's think about finger footprints rather, 304 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:55,239 Speaker 10: let's think about it also cigarette butts. Anything that is 305 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 10: left behind that ties back specifically to him, that shows 306 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,120 Speaker 10: him in some kind of perch there waiting where he's 307 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 10: kind of receded back into the woods. And look, you, Jock, 308 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 10: you know that you can't see everybody to your left 309 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 10: and your right, but he can see them. He has 310 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 10: an advantage who expects to be attacked as they're jogging. 311 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: I totally believe is this Jason jumpan, go ahead. 312 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 4: It's Phil truth. 313 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:18,719 Speaker 1: Oh, it's Phil, go ahead. 314 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 3: I totally believe he staked out the area as in 315 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 3: with Karina, and with Karina he was found at the 316 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 3: bottom of a U so he can see people coming 317 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 3: from the left, that he can see people coming from 318 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 3: the right. 319 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 4: And I believe with Lincoln's murder, he had been following 320 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 4: her or watching her, and he planned this out in. 321 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: The last days the violent trend. Dear Ragua gangster ose 322 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: E Bora demands a new trial after he is convicted 323 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: in the murder of a beautiful young nursing st udent, 324 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: Laken Riley. Well hell will freeze over before Hagger grants 325 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 1: him a new trial. And this is why a very 326 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: simple review of the evidence to you, Jason Dennis from 327 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 1: w tv M, who's been on the story from the beginning. 328 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:21,439 Speaker 1: When I think of my little girl Lucy and the 329 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:25,679 Speaker 1: possibility she's just not even just a couple of years 330 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: younger than Laken, who wants their daughter in this list? 331 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: What more can you tell us? What connected this sacker 332 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,400 Speaker 1: crap to the murder? 333 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 7: First of all, Nancy, I can tell you that as 334 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 7: me and my son, like as I mentioned, he's nineteen 335 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 7: years old. He's a student at UGA, one of them 336 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 7: about thirty five thousand students. So this is a large school. 337 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 7: You know it well, and you know this, you know, 338 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 7: in this area right there. I saw an interview with 339 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 7: the former roommate of Lake and Ryan. She was infuriated 340 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 7: that how could something like this happen? She says, you know, 341 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 7: there's no excuses for like, okay, she was running or 342 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 7: was she by herself? What was she wearing? She said 343 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 7: that this area is run often by all kinds of people, 344 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 7: all kinds of parts of the day. My son is 345 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 7: a runner as well, and I mean he literally parts 346 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 7: at the intramural fields right next to that area. It's 347 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 7: very heavily traveled, especially on a weekday morning. So you know, 348 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 7: he was, you know, allegedly lying in wait and you know, 349 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 7: along with being arrested by Ice through El Paso back 350 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 7: in twenty twenty two, and then he was arrested five 351 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 7: months ago for what they called acting in a manner 352 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,679 Speaker 7: to injure a child under the age of seventeen. That 353 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,439 Speaker 7: was in New York City five months ago, and he 354 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 7: was released because they couldn't have a detainer on him. 355 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 7: So released because essentially they did not have room for 356 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 7: him or couldn't keep him behind bars. And you mentioned earlier, 357 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 7: you know, his brother, Diego Abara, he was also arrest 358 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 7: did in Georgia. Folk he had actually accused of using 359 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 7: a fade green card to get a temporary job with 360 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 7: food services at the University of Georgia, did not provide 361 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 7: further documentation, so he was fired from that job, never 362 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 7: officially paid by the University of Georgia. So you have 363 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 7: these two brothers that are living there in Athens, in 364 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 7: that area, and both you know, allegedly illegal immigrants, and 365 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 7: there's no kind of nobody looking out for what they're doing, 366 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 7: why they're doing it, and you know, and as Cheryl 367 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 7: mentioned earlier, and she maybe can speak to this, but 368 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 7: according to reports, there's no visible security cameras or really 369 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 7: good lighting in that area around the lake. But the 370 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 7: University of Georgia did release a statement recently and then 371 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 7: a letter to parents actually about this disturbing incident that 372 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 7: they said right before this murder happened, they approved some 373 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 7: enhanced lighting improvements. I'm not sure if it's for this 374 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 7: specific area, but for around camp in that and this 375 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,920 Speaker 7: brings to light the need for those kind of things. 376 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: Can I just point out that the entire UGA campus 377 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: is forty one thousand, five hundred and thirty nine acres, repeat, 378 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: forty one thousand, five hundred and thirty nine acres, spread 379 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: out over multiple counties. Yes, I wish to add surveillance 380 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: video there. But this guy is the killer, and I 381 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 1: want to know, Cheryl McCollum, what do we know that's 382 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,360 Speaker 1: going to connect him? Do you know, Dale jump in, here's. 383 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 9: A thank you, there's a there's a broader problem that 384 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 9: we're all missing here. When people come into this country illegally, 385 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 9: the ability of us to vet them out and find 386 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 9: out what their personal history is with Venezuela is nonexistent. 387 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 9: These individuals could be serial predators in Venezuela and coming 388 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 9: here for the rest of the as you've mentioned with 389 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 9: an excellent description of the Hyaenas and the Gazelles. I mean, 390 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 9: we can't let people just wander into the country. When 391 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 9: we used to do background investigations, we had the authority 392 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:19,360 Speaker 9: of the FBI to look at the other countries criminal records. 393 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,640 Speaker 1: We don't have that revengeous no speaking of him having 394 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: left Venezuela, how do I know he wasn't leaving crime 395 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 1: allegations there. I do know this. He is married with 396 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: a five year old child, Cheryl McCollum, Cheryl, and trying 397 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: to figure out what is connecting him. Obviously he's not 398 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: that smart. So did he have bloody clothing? Does somebody 399 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: place him there? What do you know? 400 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 8: There's two heroes in this thing, Nancy. First, the roommate 401 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 8: that cut his time down from able to hide and 402 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 8: cover up and get away with this thing. So the 403 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 8: roommate is the first person that alerted us so quickly 404 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 8: so that they could get on his trail. The second 405 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 8: thing is I absolutely believe he discarded something at a 406 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 8: dumpster from the back of his apartment complex. How you 407 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 8: access the path is where their dumpsters are. I believe 408 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 8: a second person notified law enforcement that they saw him 409 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:18,679 Speaker 8: discard something. 410 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:23,879 Speaker 1: Emotion for a new trial is a predictable and necessary 411 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,919 Speaker 1: first step a defense team makes before they can file 412 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: and appeal. Well, I know it may be a formality 413 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: to them, but this judge is not going to grant 414 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,439 Speaker 1: any trial. I can predict that from one thousand miles away. 415 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 1: Over the course of that four day trial, there were 416 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 1: twenty nine prosecution witnesses, three defense witnesses, and them arguments 417 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 1: on both sides, And it was heartbreaking to see Lincoln's 418 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:01,360 Speaker 1: mother crying in court, sometimes putting her hands over her 419 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,439 Speaker 1: eyes because she just couldn't take it any longer. But 420 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:10,439 Speaker 1: let me report she did not leave that courtroom. She 421 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:15,159 Speaker 1: stayed for the evidence, regardless of how difficult it was. 422 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: And at this hour, the defense is demanding a new trial. 423 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? With facts like this? Crime stories 424 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. A motion for a new trial in 425 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:40,159 Speaker 1: the case of a violent illegal immigrant who murdered nursing 426 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:45,880 Speaker 1: student Lake and Riley has been filed. What went in 427 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: to that verdict? Finding and closing arguments? The defense actually 428 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:57,120 Speaker 1: argued to the judge with a straight face, that Lake 429 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 1: and Riley, the murder victim, should have could have outrun 430 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 1: jose Ebarra. Why why is that relevant? Because the defense 431 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 1: Caitlin Beck, argued that jose Ebarra was shorter, end quote 432 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: fatter than brother Diego. So I guess she's arguing the 433 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 1: killer had to be Diego, the brother, because he was 434 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: taller and faster. They actually argued that, But back to 435 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:32,160 Speaker 1: real evidence. 436 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 11: Listen, a match between the contact Swobbings from the jacket 437 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 11: and jose Abara is approximately one hundred trillion times more 438 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 11: probable than a coincidental match to an unrelated person in 439 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 11: the population. 440 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: That from our friends at the National desk. You were 441 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: hearing the GBI Crime Lab analyst Ashley Hinkel, did you 442 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 1: hear that Philip debate one hundred trillion times? 443 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 12: But you could not eliminate it, and it is a match. 444 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 12: She could not eliminate transfer. Okay, problem, hold on, there 445 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 12: is a man. 446 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 1: I think I think that we can illuminate transfer because 447 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: Dave Mack joining us at the courthouse. Isn't it true 448 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 1: that video catches jose Ebarra throwing that jacket, Not Diego 449 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 1: the brother, but Jose Ebarra throwing that jacket into up 450 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: there he is That's the same shirt he was wearing 451 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 1: one hour earlier posting on Nancy what's happen that video? 452 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 13: Okay, the video of him throwing the jacket into the dumpster. 453 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 13: That is what they've used to say Diego is the killer, 454 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 13: because they said that one of the friends that actually 455 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 13: was interviewed by police said she thought it was Diego 456 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 13: throwing the jacket in the dunster. Now she wasn't one 457 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 13: hundred for scent, sure, but a friend who knew them 458 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 13: both much better said, no, that's Jose. So that's for 459 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 13: the defense got their whole idea was from the winds. 460 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 1: I think Diego is throwing the jacket away. 461 00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 13: The entire defense strategy came from that one comet, from 462 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 13: somebody who was not even sure. 463 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 1: Okay, So to believe that, Dave mac, I mean, I've seen. 464 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 1: I was sitting in court when the state showed the 465 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: photo of jose E Barra one hour before the murder 466 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 1: posting selfies wearing that exact shirt. I'd like to see 467 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 1: it because it has very unusual markings. There is there 468 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 1: he is in the shirt one hour later throwing the 469 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: jacket with a one hundred trillion likelihood DNA match. So 470 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 1: I don't know what Dubet is talking about. Transfer and 471 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 1: listen about the fingernail clippings. 472 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 11: The DNA match between the wet rush squabbings from the 473 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 11: fingernail clippings from the right hand and the match was 474 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 11: to Jose Antonio. 475 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: Abara still Ashley Hinkle on the stand from our friends 476 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 1: at the National Desk, and there's more on the fingernail 477 00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 1: DNA match. 478 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 11: The match is too million times more probable than a 479 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 11: coincidental match to an unrelated person. 480 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 1: In the population. Okay, Philip Dubay ten billion likelihood, one 481 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: hundred trillion likelihood. There's no chance of the transfer because 482 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: you just saw jose Ebora throwing that jacket into the 483 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 1: trash minutes after Laken is killed. So when's the transfer. 484 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 12: There's a difference between consciousness of guilt and throwing that 485 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 12: away and consciousness of fear. 486 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: He obviously realized that. 487 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 12: There was some type of zerological evidence on the jacket 488 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 12: and dumped it out of fear of being accused. 489 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 7: So he dumped it. 490 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 12: I mean, that's how I would have attacked it. It 491 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 12: doesn't necessarily mean just because biological evidence is on your 492 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 12: clothing that you're the culprit. 493 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 1: We've seen this in history. 494 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 12: We saw it a few months ago out of the 495 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 12: Detroit murder, where a well known Jewish community advocate was 496 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 12: murdered by knife in front of her home. The defendant 497 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 12: was caught on video outside of her home. He testified 498 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 12: he was acquitted. He said he touched her as an 499 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 12: afterthought to try to rifle through her belonging to see 500 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 12: what was happening. The jury believed him in this case, 501 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 12: the judge would not have believed him. 502 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 1: Speaking of fantastical arguments. The defense also argued that Jose 503 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 1: Ebarra was just an accomplished that maybe two men were 504 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 1: involved in Lacoln's murder and two rocks, that makes it 505 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 1: so easy for the judge to find Eborra guilty. Joining 506 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 1: me right now a special guest, renowned medical examiner, doctor 507 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 1: Kendall Crown's chief medical examiner, Terrence County, esteemed lecturer at 508 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: the Burnett School of Medicine at TCU. Doctor Kendl Crowns, 509 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 1: you and I have gone over and over the autopsy 510 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 1: evidence in this case. Could you describe what happened to Lacoln? 511 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:51,719 Speaker 10: Certainly so. 512 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 14: She has one trauma to the head from the rock 513 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 14: that set the scene with the blood on it, that 514 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 14: has caused lacerations or kind of splitting of the skin 515 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 14: in a depressed skull fracture, which is kind of pushing 516 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 14: in of the skull itself from being struck over and 517 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 14: over and over with the rock. She also has what 518 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 14: they've described as asphyxia. The medical examiner said she had 519 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 14: signs of a sixia at the autopsy. That can be 520 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 14: particular hemorrhages of the eye, which are a little bursting 521 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 14: of the capillaries on your eye. It can also be 522 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 14: hemorrhages and the neck musculature from a manual strangulation. So 523 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 14: probably she's strangled, wakes back up, annocks and then beats 524 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 14: her head in with a rock, or he hits her 525 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 14: with a rock, she passes out. He's trying to rape her. 526 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,959 Speaker 14: What she wakes back up and then he strangles her. 527 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 14: Either way, it's pretty bad now. 528 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 1: I always wondering, Dubey, we'll have a big fit over 529 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 1: this based on what doctor Knell Crown's has just told us, 530 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 1: what lake Can went through as she fought for her life. 531 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 1: Why the defendant didn't take the stand and testify. Hey, 532 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 1: if you're not guilty, where were you? What were you doing? Listen? 533 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,319 Speaker 8: I'm sure mar you want to touch off and you 534 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 8: want you no sense? 535 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 1: I guess he didn't. That's my friends at the National 536 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,800 Speaker 1: Death Cheryl McCollum. You just heard what doctor Kendall Crown's 537 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 1: explained happened to Lakan and her fight to live, how 538 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 1: she was humiliated, attacked, brutalized, her face, disfigured. Did you 539 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,880 Speaker 1: really think a barrow was going to take the stand? 540 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 5: Not a shot? And I'll tell you something. We can 541 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 5: talk about her injuries, and those are vital. To understand 542 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 5: that the injuries that she gave to him, to me 543 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,640 Speaker 5: are just as vital. She punched him dead the mouth. 544 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 5: She scratched him on the wrist, on the throat, on 545 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,320 Speaker 5: the back of the neck, on his back, on his elbow, 546 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 5: on his arm. She fought for those eighteen minutes like 547 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 5: her life depended on it, because she knew it did. 548 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 15: One of the defense's first witnesses is a neighbor of 549 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,759 Speaker 15: the Ebarras. The woman says Diego Ebarra approached her the 550 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 15: evening of February twenty second, asking why the complex is 551 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 15: crawling with cops In broken Spanish, The woman tells him 552 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,440 Speaker 15: a young lady lost her life behind the complex. Aware 553 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,879 Speaker 15: that it's along Diego's path to work, she encourages him 554 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 15: to speak up if he saw anything suspicious. Two officers 555 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 15: briefly check in on Ibarra. 556 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 1: And the woman. When they walk away. 557 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 15: The woman says Diego Ebarra urgently type something into the 558 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 15: translator app for her to read. 559 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:46,360 Speaker 1: The defense trying to shift blame on hoosei Ibarra's brother Diego. 560 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 1: It didn't work. Straight back out to doctor Kendall Crowns 561 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,800 Speaker 1: joining us. We're now medical examiner out of Terrant County. 562 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns. We know that lake and fought back. 563 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 1: She fought for her life. She refused to be hose 564 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 1: Ebar's next rape victim. How long would she have lived 565 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 1: sustaining the injuries she did to. 566 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,759 Speaker 14: Her skull, So, the injuries to the skull with the 567 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:20,839 Speaker 14: depressed cull fracture, she could have survived that. Had a concussion, 568 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,880 Speaker 14: she could have potentially, depending on how much brain damage 569 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 14: there was, been still able to survive that injury. If 570 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,319 Speaker 14: it was severe enough, she probably could have died within 571 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,799 Speaker 14: minutes of receiving it. It all depends on how much 572 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:41,399 Speaker 14: damage the skull fracture went through into her brain. The strangulation, 573 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 14: on the other hand, she'd probably be on unconscious when 574 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 14: a little over ten to twenty seconds, and if he 575 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,239 Speaker 14: continued to apply pressure, she'd be dead within about four 576 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:52,040 Speaker 14: to five minutes. 577 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:59,320 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, it's beyond understanding for me that the defense 578 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:03,480 Speaker 1: actually are Maybe there were two assailants in two rocks. 579 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, Nancy, the injuries to his wrist and 580 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,920 Speaker 5: his elbow, says to me. She probably knocked the first 581 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 5: lock out of his hand and he simply grabbed the 582 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,359 Speaker 5: second one and finished the job. To the point part 583 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:21,400 Speaker 5: of her skull was in her brain. He beat her, 584 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:26,880 Speaker 5: He beat her violently. He set out that morning to 585 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,160 Speaker 5: find a victim. He did not care who. 586 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,759 Speaker 1: In my mind, the judge had no alternative other than 587 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 1: finding Ebarra guilty in the murder of Lacoln Riley. Yes, 588 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 1: a verdict has been rendered. He's not the only one 589 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:52,920 Speaker 1: sentenced in this case. Her mother, her family, or sentenced 590 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:59,880 Speaker 1: to life without Lacoln. Their sentence to life remembering what 591 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:06,480 Speaker 1: she suffered. They are sentenced to life remembering those last 592 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:15,000 Speaker 1: images of her running free Lake and Rileigh rest in peace. 593 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:17,279 Speaker 6: Good night for