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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Baldi's Breakdown edition of

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Speaker 1: the Johns Tottle podcast, brought to you by Citizens, the

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Speaker 1: Official Bank of the Giants. This is the second half

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Speaker 1: of my conversation with Brian Baldinger from last week. We

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Speaker 1: had a discussion about what the Giants offseason might look like,

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Speaker 1: what some of their big decisions are going to be.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was really good insight from Brian in

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Speaker 1: terms of what he thinks the Giants should do. So

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Speaker 1: here's my second half of the conversation with Brian Baldinger. Again,

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Speaker 1: it's brought to you by Citizens, the Official Bank of

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Speaker 1: the Giants, coming to you from the Hackensacker Mariny Hell

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Speaker 1: podcast studio.

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Speaker 2: Keep getting better, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, Ballie, let's look to the future here and let's

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Speaker 1: start the big question. Because the Giants obviously will have

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Speaker 1: to go through a coaching search. Mike Kafka will be

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Speaker 1: involved as the interim. Obviously, a lot of needs have

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Speaker 1: been thrown out there. I'm not going to ask you

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Speaker 1: the name names if you don't want to, but what

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Speaker 1: would be the priority for you when you go about

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Speaker 1: interviewing these coaches that you think should be most important

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Speaker 1: as the Giants decide who's going to be the next

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Speaker 1: head coach of their football team.

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Speaker 3: Well, the first thing I think that we should open

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Speaker 3: this search up to is, I know Jackson dartsy young quarterback.

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Speaker 3: You'd love to see a Ben Johnson with your quarterback

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Speaker 3: and develop him and break them up with bad habits,

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Speaker 3: develop the good habits and watch him grow the way

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Speaker 3: Drake May has grown this year with Josh McDaniels, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: But I think this job is very intriguing for any

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Speaker 3: defensive minded guy. When you can line up Brian Burns

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Speaker 3: and you know an Abdul and Dexter and some of

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Speaker 3: the guys that are in place right now, I think

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Speaker 3: it's attracted. Now you can look at Mike, what Mike

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Speaker 3: McDonald's doing defensively. What we need here, John honestly is

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Speaker 3: a guy that knows how to command a room, that

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Speaker 3: has respects. Sometimes that's a new guy, sometimes that's an

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Speaker 3: established guy like Mike Brabel was an established coach, but

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Speaker 3: Liam Cohen was a first time coach.

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Speaker 4: But he's got everybody's attention.

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Speaker 3: The quarterback is playing batter, he's not a not you know,

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Speaker 3: and he's got the right defensive guy whatever side whatever

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Speaker 3: they decided to do. That guy has got to be

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Speaker 3: able to stand up in a room and just tell

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Speaker 3: you've got to be able to motivate.

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Speaker 4: You've had two great.

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Speaker 3: Ones in New York obviously with you know, with Parcels

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Speaker 3: and you know his group. I mean, but you need

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Speaker 3: that firmness and toughness. Guys, there's just got to be that.

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Speaker 3: You just got to establish that everybody's a little bit different.

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Speaker 3: Tamiko Ronians is totally different than Mike Rabel, So it's

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Speaker 3: not necessarily the personality sometimes, but there is a command

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Speaker 3: that you have to have. The first time I met

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Speaker 3: John McVay or Sean McVay, I'm like I was blown

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Speaker 3: away by just meeting them in a casual spot, going

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Speaker 3: that guy can stand in front of a room and

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Speaker 3: talk to fifty three people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And then I think boldly the second question you ask,

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Speaker 1: and you're right, I think that is the most important part.

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Speaker 1: And finding that guy with those skills is sometimes I

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Speaker 1: think easier said than done. And the next question asked me,

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Speaker 1: what's your plan to develop the quarterback?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 2: Because if you get a you know, a guy like

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Speaker 1: Let's say, well, here and Josh McDaniels, who I think

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Speaker 1: is you know, I don't know if he's going to

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Speaker 1: get another head coaching opportunity, but you know he's a

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Speaker 1: really good offensive coordinator. So when you talk to these

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Speaker 1: guys about how they're going to plan to develop Jackson Dart,

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Speaker 1: what are some of the things you're looking for that

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Speaker 1: are important to you to make sure Dark continues to

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Speaker 3: Well, I think it starts with protection and how are

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Speaker 3: you going to protect your quarterback? Like if you look

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Speaker 3: at Trevor Lawrence and the way that he's playing, right,

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Speaker 3: He's never played like this ever. But it starts with protection.

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Speaker 3: And part of the protection John is a commitment to

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Speaker 3: the run game. Like if you watch what Caleb Williams

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Speaker 3: game with two backs and they are interchangeable. They are

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Speaker 3: almost a fifty to fifty bounced team. A lot of

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Speaker 3: play action, quarterback is under center, a lot of that

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Speaker 3: kind of stuff from that that style of offense. What

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Speaker 3: Bend in with Detroit, but what Sam Darnold, what you

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Speaker 3: know Kyle Shanahan is doing with Brock Party. They're under

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Speaker 2: And also with the Rams, they're doing it.

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Speaker 1: The Seahawks they're doing it too, and so of the

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Speaker 1: backers with Josh Jacobs, they're all doing it.

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Speaker 4: Everybody's going back on center.

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Speaker 3: John, Yes, And I was talking to some guys in

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Speaker 3: Seattle the tight ends in this business. It's a tight

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Speaker 3: end driven league right now. Two and three tight ends

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Speaker 3: on almost every play. And so I started off this

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Speaker 3: conversation by saying, what do I do. You got to

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Speaker 3: protect your quarterback. One of the ways you protect them

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Speaker 3: is you have tight ends that could block tight ends.

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Speaker 3: They can receive, they can play multiple roles, they can

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Speaker 3: line up in the slot if they have to against matchups,

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Speaker 3: but they can come three tight ends at the line

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Speaker 3: of scrimmage. The fullback is back in play in a

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Speaker 3: lot of different places here, John like, we're seeing a

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Speaker 3: return to a style of offense that we saw fifteen

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Speaker 3: to twenty years ago. And those teams are having a

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Speaker 3: great deal of success, and the quarterback is getting hit less,

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Speaker 3: he's making better decisions. Rock Party barely got touched last night.

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Speaker 3: Not but and when your quarterback can feel that he's

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Speaker 3: going to see the field a whole lot better.

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Speaker 4: John, huddle up, get in here.

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Speaker 5: If you're lined up here, you gotta go over the

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Speaker 5: middle with at the score great.

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Speaker 2: How do we make that happen?

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Speaker 5: I don't know, Citizen does it makes sense of your

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Speaker 5: money with citizens?

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Speaker 2: Official Bank of Eli Manning Baldy.

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Speaker 1: We're seeing undercentered dropbacks without play action. When's the last

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Speaker 1: time we've seen like.

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Speaker 2: Center?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: No, Kurt Warner like he used to drop straight back.

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Speaker 3: He said he could see both sides like that. Like, no,

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Speaker 3: I see the same thing right now. There is a return.

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Speaker 3: It's come full cycle, a first circle for him. Because

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Speaker 3: for a long stretch we had really we had the

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Speaker 3: West Coast offense. Then we had the college offenses all

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Speaker 3: coming in, four wide receivers, you know, empty sets, all

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Speaker 3: defense coordinators are just attacking it with blit zero's and

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Speaker 3: all this stuff. I feel like it's it's coming. We're

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Speaker 3: packing it back in and we're protecting the quarterback and

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Speaker 3: we're giving We're we're taking these drops where the you know,

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Speaker 3: the routes can get down the field. We're not throwing

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Speaker 3: bubble screens like they do in college as a base

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Speaker 3: part of our offense. There's a part for the quick

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Speaker 3: game in this business. But on third and ten, Giant

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Speaker 3: fans don't want to watch a hit screen. They don't

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Speaker 3: They want to see you attack down the field and

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Speaker 3: get ten yards for the first.

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Speaker 1: Down and Baldy. I think the Giants are equipped to

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Speaker 1: play that way. I think Jacksondhr has to work on

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Speaker 1: playing under center. He hasn't done that a ton. I

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Speaker 1: do think that's part of it. That's something he'll have

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Speaker 1: in that direction. But they got two running backs that

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Speaker 1: can play in cam Scatabu and Tyrownd Tracy will see

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Speaker 1: have Devin Singletary's back, Theo Johnson, he has to be

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Speaker 1: more consistent, but he's shown the ability to block and catch.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they could use one more kind of like f

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Speaker 1: here necessarily, but I feel like it, especially the think

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about that in a second.

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Speaker 1: I feel like they are equipped to play that style

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Speaker 4: I agree, I think they can too.

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Speaker 3: And you know, in the run game, when you have

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Speaker 3: defense to defend another gap, right and so now a

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Speaker 3: guy that you know, if you're running zones and you're

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Speaker 3: stretching it with that know you now, Okay, where's the fit.

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Speaker 3: Where's the runfit going to be from the safety, backside

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Speaker 3: And it opens things up in the run game and

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Speaker 3: then the bootlegs, the play action passes off of it.

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Speaker 3: We're seeing a ton of tight end delayed screens in

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Speaker 3: his business that everybody is running some version of it.

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Speaker 3: We saw a kid yesterday in last Night in Jake

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Speaker 3: Tongas like this kid was a free agent, nobody even

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Speaker 3: knew whose name was. They let him tight end and

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Speaker 3: that this kid, because he's gotten the opportunity to play,

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Speaker 3: has now flourished in all phases of the game in

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Speaker 1: No question about all Right, let's hit a couple of

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Speaker 1: the big questions here. Baldi offensively, Jermaine a lumin or

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Speaker 1: a free agent, the Giants will have to make a

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Speaker 1: he's shown enough where you think, all right, maybe he

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Speaker 1: But I think given where this offensive line has been

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Speaker 1: guts to let a guy like a Luminar out of

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Speaker 1: the building, consider how well he is played. So what

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Speaker 1: are your thoughts in terms of how the Giants should

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Speaker 1: the offense. I'm an the luminar being a free agent,

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Speaker 1: and then Greg Van Rohde, who knows if he's going

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Speaker 3: Well, Van roten, the way he played this year made

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Speaker 3: it's gonna make it hard to return.

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Speaker 2: He's been great, He played great.

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Speaker 3: So consistent, so consistent, and so you've had a lot

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Speaker 3: he's been just so stable. But I feel like Marcus

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Speaker 3: Bow has to be given a chance to play now.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if that's chasing any of these guys

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Speaker 3: out of the room. You can't have enough offensive line depth.

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Speaker 3: We know that we've seen the Giants offense completely fall

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Speaker 3: apart when they've missed certain guys. But I feel like

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Speaker 3: Marxist Bow needs a chance to compete for a starting job.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what position that is right now, maybe

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Speaker 3: it's right guard, you know. But Jermaina Luminer knows how

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Speaker 3: to play the game. He is he is a very

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Speaker 3: powerful man that knows how to play. He's the he

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Speaker 3: is the definition of uh. He is extremely efficient in

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Speaker 3: what he does in his movement, his steps, like he

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Speaker 3: doesn't get beat inside. There's just certain things that you

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Speaker 3: if you got to pay, you got to pay these guys.

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Speaker 3: You got to pay these guys whatever that whatever the

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Speaker 3: to steal reps from letting Marcus bog go out there

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Speaker 3: ven Roten out or you know, or run in either

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Speaker 3: I want Marcus Boa have a chance to go compete

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Speaker 3: for job. You've drafted this guy. I think he needs

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Speaker 2: No, I'm with you.

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Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be a really tough decision to s. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they decide to handle that. No, the guy's a free agent.

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Speaker 1: Wondall Robinson ball the thousand yard year. We talked about him.

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Speaker 1: He's played outside more this year. We know traditionally he's

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Speaker 1: been more of a slot player. Your thoughts on on

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Speaker 1: how that might go. The Giants resigned? Are you slain

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, adding another playmaker outside could be

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Speaker 2: We'll see what they do. So how do you think

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Speaker 2: they handle the Robinson situation.

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Speaker 3: I would keep Wandale And here's here's one of the

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Speaker 3: reasons why is he's been He's been healthy, He's been dependable.

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Speaker 3: There are energy givers and energy takers. That kid is

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Speaker 3: around around Wandale. The smiles always on his face. There's

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Speaker 3: I feel like I think there's a role for Wandale

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Speaker 3: you almost have to be you have to play a

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Speaker 3: natural slot receiver and I think there's a place for him.

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Speaker 3: I think the quarterback trusts him. I like to see

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Speaker 3: Wandale's stay and extended.

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Speaker 5: If you want to know how to manage two minutes

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Speaker 5: of crunch time football, I'm your man. But if you're

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Speaker 5: wondering about a long term financial plan, you should talk

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Speaker 5: to Citizens.

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Speaker 2: Hey, I can also talk long care.

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Speaker 5: I'd like to learn about a millia routine. Yes, I

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Speaker 5: knew it could help make sense of your money with citizens.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's go to the DEFENSI side of the ball,

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Speaker 1: and I'll kind of pose this to you as a

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Speaker 1: general question, Bald. We know they have talent on different

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Speaker 1: try to get the most improvement to make a bigger

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Speaker 3: Well, I know they addressed the safety position last year

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Speaker 3: with Javon, but my safeties, you want your safety to

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Speaker 3: take the ball away, you know, like they just got

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Speaker 3: to have board too. They got to get their hands

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Speaker 3: on footballs more than what I saw. So the safeties

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Speaker 3: you give up long runs. If you blow coverages or

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Speaker 3: can't cover down the field, you give up big pass plays.

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Speaker 3: I feel like the safety position still has to be

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Speaker 3: looked at. They're hard to find in the draft. There's rarely,

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Speaker 3: You got to go to free agency like they did

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Speaker 3: last year. I look at the safety position and honestly,

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Speaker 3: I don't think you can have enough defensive line depth

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Speaker 3: in his business, Darius Alexander looks like he's going to

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Speaker 3: be a player. To me, Dexter did not have a

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Speaker 3: great season, but he's played better the last month of

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Speaker 3: the season. He's made more impact right now. But I

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Speaker 3: would put more resources into my defensive line now. I

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Speaker 3: don't know what's gonna happen with Kavon, but it's more

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Speaker 3: than just pass rushers. You just need monsters inside. You

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Speaker 3: know that you could play reduced fronts and just stop

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Speaker 3: the run the way Seattle does right now, and good

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Speaker 2: No question about our I Baldy appreciate the time as always.

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Speaker 1: Any final thoughts here on the Giants as we have

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Speaker 1: one game away and we head into twenty twenty six, Well, I.

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Speaker 3: Don't know what's going to happen in the coaching search

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Speaker 3: general manager situation. I don't know any of that, John,

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Speaker 3: I know this. I feel like the Giants job is

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Speaker 3: like when Liam Cohen was looking last year, he wasn't

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Speaker 3: going to go to Jacksonville. They kind of convinced them

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Speaker 4: Jackson Dart, I feel, is a real.

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Speaker 3: Talent, and we're seeing Tyler shuck right now with Keller

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Speaker 3: Moore and Doug Neusmyer in New Orleans like really flourish.

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Speaker 3: I feel like Jackson Dart has got great football in

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Speaker 3: But I feel like what they have a lot of

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Speaker 3: I'll be surprised if they don't get a great candidate

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Speaker 3: to come in.

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Speaker 1: Baldy, good stuff, my friend, Always a pleasure. Let's talk soon.

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Speaker 1: Happy New Year, my friend.

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Speaker 4: Happy New Year, John, You bet old best man.

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