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Speaker 1: want everybody to have to wait, so we jumped on

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Speaker 1: for Breaking Points. A major day in the Biden presidency,

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Speaker 1: what is it, crystal, Well, two big decisions coming down

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Speaker 1: from the Supreme Court with regards to the Biden administrations

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Speaker 1: vaccine mandates and vaccine and test mandates. So one of

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Speaker 1: them goes Biden's way, but it's the less consequential one,

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Speaker 1: and the other one decidedly goes against Biden. So I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you the first one that actually went his way,

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Speaker 1: it was a five to four split, was on requiring

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Speaker 1: healthcare centers that receive Medicare or Medicaid funding to have

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Speaker 1: their staffs vaccinated. And in that instance, the Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: said basically like, okay, you've got the sort of stick

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Speaker 1: of being able to say if you don't follow our rules,

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Speaker 1: we're going to pull your funding. I guess we'll go

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Speaker 1: along with that. The much more broader, much broader, and

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Speaker 1: more consequential case was the one that impacted all employers

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Speaker 1: over one hundred employees, and it said either your staff

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Speaker 1: has to be vaccinated or they have to get tested

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Speaker 1: on a weekly basis and wear a mask while they

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Speaker 1: are at the workplace. That one was struck down. All

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Speaker 1: of the conservatives on the court voted against it. Ultimately

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Speaker 1: cited against the Biden administration. There that was set to

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Speaker 1: go into effect on Monday. So this has real world

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Speaker 1: consequences right now and effectively, Soger and I'm interested to

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Speaker 1: get your take on this, But a lot of this

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Speaker 1: comes down to kind of where and who they think

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Speaker 1: has power. So when Congress authorized the Occupational Safety and

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Speaker 1: very broad powers and said, you know, you can do

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Speaker 1: basically whatever you want to make sure that workers are safe.

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Speaker 1: The Supreme Court justices, the conservative justices, seem very uncomfortable

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Speaker 1: with that broad mandate, and what they indicated here is

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Speaker 1: that they wanted specific language from Congress. We of course

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Speaker 1: know that Congress is nowhere close to passing much of anything,

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Speaker 1: let alone something as controversial as this. So that's kind

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Speaker 1: of the lines that this ultimately down along. It was

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Speaker 1: very much what we predicted after listening to the oral arguments,

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Speaker 1: and that's where we ultimately stand. Yeah, I mean, look

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Speaker 1: at within the decision, and I do think this is

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Speaker 1: generally keeping with it. They said, Look, vaccine mandates themselves

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Speaker 1: are not unconstitutional, They're like, but Congress has to do it.

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Speaker 1: And this kind of fits with some of the election

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Speaker 1: the eviction moratorium stuff that we had covered previously around.

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Speaker 1: A lot of this just goes just so how sclerotic

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Speaker 1: our institutions are such that Congress is so inapt that

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Speaker 1: the administrations try to do workarounds which are clearly dubious

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Speaker 1: legally at best. And my favorite part, Crystal was actually,

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Speaker 1: and we'll put this tweet up there on the screen,

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Speaker 1: is that Biden's chiefest staff ron Klain, had a retweet

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Speaker 1: which he characterized the vax mandate as a quote workaround

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Speaker 1: for the federal government to force vaccination by going around Congress.

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Speaker 1: And that retweet actually made its way into the actual

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court concurring opinion of Justice Gorsic. Biden. So, I

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Speaker 1: think it was a like, not a retweet, No, it

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Speaker 1: was I'm looking at the retweet. I'm looking at the retweet.

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Speaker 1: We've got it here. It's from a great friend of

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Speaker 1: but yeah, it really is ron Klain. So the tweet

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Speaker 1: from Stephanie Rule says, this seems like clearly a workaround

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Speaker 1: ron Klain is supposed to be the smart one in

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Speaker 1: the administration, and he goes and amplifies this, and then

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Speaker 1: it goes they weaponize it against him and say, see,

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Speaker 1: Court had to actively say in their decision that although

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Speaker 1: COVID nineteen is a risk that occurs in many workplaces,

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Speaker 1: and this is the exact language of the judgment, it

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Speaker 1: is not a quote occupational hazard in most and I

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Speaker 1: think that that, given what we've experienced in the pandemic,

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Speaker 1: I really think that is an extraordinary stretch. I was

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Speaker 1: looking at the number of workers just in the meat

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Speaker 1: packing industry who were infected with COVID and ultimately died.

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Speaker 1: There were hundreds of meat packers who died during this pandemic,

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Speaker 1: tens of thousands who were infected. So a lot of

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Speaker 1: folks are looking and I agree with this, looking at

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Speaker 1: this and saying it's not an occupational hazard to be

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Speaker 1: exposed to this. And look, if you're young and you're healthy,

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Speaker 1: whether you're vaccinated or not, you're probably going to be fine.

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Speaker 1: But not everybody's young, not everybody's healthy. Lots of people

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Speaker 1: are compromised and have other comorbidities that put them at risk,

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Speaker 1: even if they are vaccinated, even if they are boosted.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look at Governor Jim Justice right now. He

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Speaker 1: says he's extremely unwell because he's older, because he's very heavy,

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Speaker 1: that is quite a stretch given just the health data

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Speaker 1: that we've seen during the pandemic. I think it's interesting

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Speaker 1: when you put it that way. I hadn't seen that

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Speaker 1: particular part of the decision. The part that I'd focused

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Speaker 1: on was on the narrow part of it around kicking

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Speaker 1: I do ultimately, And this is why I was against

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Speaker 1: it from the very beginning. Is I thought that going

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Speaker 1: that it was going to be a This was clearly

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Speaker 1: a workaround, and be the constitutionality of it was dubious necessarily,

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Speaker 1: especially whenever it came to the Court itself. But you know, well,

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Speaker 1: when we consider it, Crystal, and we were talking about

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Speaker 1: was just a historic loss for Biden on a lot

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Speaker 1: of different levels. In terms of today, well, you and

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Speaker 1: I are recording this on Thursday, but and Glenn Greenwell

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Speaker 1: the last twenty four hours, thirty three percent approval rating

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Speaker 1: for Joe Biden from the Quinnipiac poll. Kirsten Cinema reaffirms

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Speaker 1: her filibuster support while Joe Biden is at the Senate

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Speaker 1: in order to try and whip votes for that explicitly,

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Speaker 1: and the Supreme Court strikes it down, the vaccine mandate.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's no really a way to say it.

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Speaker 1: It was like the worst twenty four hours probably of

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden's presidency. And I think, you know, from interesting

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Speaker 1: when I think about it too from that perspective, and

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Speaker 1: Voting rights. Okay, like you said, you can agree or

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Speaker 1: disagree whatever, Why are you spending so much immense political

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Speaker 1: capital number one behind something that nobody cares about right now?

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Speaker 1: And number two, which is wasn't even going to pass.

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Speaker 1: I mean, presidents only go to the Capitol in order

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Speaker 1: to you know, spike the football or put the real

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Speaker 1: last dishes of pressure on senators for a big time

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Speaker 1: vote ahead of this one. They knew it wasn't going

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Speaker 1: to happen. And if anything, this fact that Joe Manchin

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Speaker 1: weak he is with the within the Democratic Party. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's the stunning part. Yeah. Well, and here's the thing is,

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Speaker 1: I'm all for putting votes on the floor that are

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Speaker 1: going to make people uncomfortable voting rights. That's not the

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Speaker 1: primary priority of most America. If you're going to put

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Speaker 1: you know, if you're going to put fifteen dollars minium

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Speaker 1: wage on the floor, you know, and put pressure on people.

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Speaker 1: This is a broadly popular, bipartisan supported thing. Put everybody

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Speaker 1: on the record, Joe Mansion. You want to vote against that,

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Speaker 1: be my guest. Then you're making a statement. Then you're

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Speaker 1: making hard the things that are even more popular than that,

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Speaker 1: like the Medicare prescription drug price negotiation that has like

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Speaker 1: eighty five percent approval. Put that on the floor, Go

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Speaker 1: to Congress, make a point, name and shame, call them out,

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Speaker 1: are you putting your own people at a tremendous pressure

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Speaker 1: to go along with things that are insanely popular in

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Speaker 1: own their own states, and they don't get to hide

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Speaker 1: behind like you know, the morass that build back better

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Speaker 1: carve out for voting rights. You know it's impotent the

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Speaker 1: actually want, which is a whole filibuster. God, So you're

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Speaker 1: you're coming up with a car mount that's impotent to

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Speaker 1: It's utterly demoralizing for anyone who's you know, associated with

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Speaker 1: it whatsoever. The one thing I will say, and this

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Speaker 1: interview with Craig Melvin at all? We will have coverage

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Speaker 1: of this, I promise people. Yeah, so she got asked

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Speaker 1: by Craig Melvin, you know, like in it time to

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Speaker 1: you should encourage people to get vaccine, but you got

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Speaker 1: a group that's just not going to do it. So

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Speaker 1: what else? You got no answer whatsoever, no answer whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: And so I mean, you just look at this whole

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Speaker 1: spectrum of maras and incompetence, and I just wonder if

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Speaker 1: they'll actually take the Supreme Court decision and say, well,

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Speaker 1: It's really not our fault. We did the thing we're

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Speaker 1: a way to say, all right, well, what can we

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Speaker 1: to actually deliver for people? I hadn't considered that. Perhaps

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Speaker 1: it could be the best thing ever. It could just

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Speaker 1: like here in Washington and more will just use this

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Speaker 1: but when you put it all together, it's a terrible

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Speaker 1: using them to do everything you can to push those

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Speaker 1: workers rather than disappointing them. Yeah, and her office just

431
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Speaker 1: declined to comment. They didn't even give a reason. I mean,

432
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Speaker 1: you shouldn't. You should give a reason, you know, at

433
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Speaker 1: least something. Yeah, I mean I Donte would understand if

434
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Speaker 1: there was some legitimate right there was a vote Notte

435
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Speaker 1: or whatever whatever. I mean, come on, But yeah, she

436
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Speaker 1: didn't show up. It's also kind of surprising to me

437
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Speaker 1: that it didn't. It took until now for this to

438
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Speaker 1: even come out. But yeah, look, I mean it goes

439
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Speaker 1: to a lot of the virtue signaling politics that we have,

440
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 1: which is something we were talking about in our show

441
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Speaker 1: on Monday, which is that you have, like you said,

442
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Speaker 1: you have a bunch of people who are right wingers

443
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 1: who are like big pharma, corruption all this, and they

444
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Speaker 1: don't want to do anything about big Pharma. And you

445
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Speaker 1: have a bunch of people who are LARPing and tweeting

446
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 1: about unions and like every once in a while, you know,

447
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 1: they'll show up in like a photo or something. But yeah,

448
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 1: I mean this is this would have meant all the

449
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Speaker 1: world to them. I mean, we had Smalls here on

450
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Speaker 1: the show, like on multiple times. The thing is with

451
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Speaker 1: Smalls is that he's not just what there as I understand,

452
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Speaker 1: he's trying to certify like a new union. That's a real,

453
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Speaker 1: really tough thing to do, very uphill battle, a lot

454
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Speaker 1: of legal and logistical hurdles for him to have to handle,

455
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Speaker 1: given the fact that he was unfairly tarred, you know,

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Speaker 1: by this company in the first place. This is not

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Speaker 1: somebody who you should I mean, if he had asked us,

458
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Speaker 1: for example, and we would have said that we were

459
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Speaker 1: going to go like, we absolutely would have done it.

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Speaker 1: Like you can't not any more much less important or

461
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Speaker 1: at least visible than she is. So I think it's

462
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Speaker 1: very hypocritical, and especially that you won't give an answer

463
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Speaker 1: as to why, what's the reason, you know, at least

464
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Speaker 1: provided at least lie I don't know, pretend that you care.

465
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Speaker 1: They don't. I mean, I just don't. I don't understand.

466
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Speaker 1: What's the risk? Yeah, I agree, what's the risk in

467
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Speaker 1: showing up and lending your support to what is ultimately

468
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Speaker 1: a courageous stand. Chris Mall's lost his job because of

469
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Speaker 1: his willingness to speak out, and he has put himself

470
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Speaker 1: out there as many other activists and organizers ultimately have

471
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Speaker 1: because you know the power that corporate America has and

472
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Speaker 1: especially Amazon. So to sort of, you know, disappoint them

473
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Speaker 1: and not even have a good reason or explain a

474
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Speaker 1: reason why you did so is it's just disappointing. Some

475
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Speaker 1: interesting news on the Epstein front, even though Gallaine Maxwell

476
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Speaker 1: has now been convicted. You guys will remember they brought

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Speaker 1: on for the BBC expert lawyer in order to analyze

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Speaker 1: the verdict. Alan Dershowitz, who was literally a lawyer for

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein, also was on the Trump impeachment case. All

480
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Speaker 1: goes all the way back to the oj trial. He

481
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Speaker 1: never really doesn't have a spotlight that he doesn't want

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Speaker 1: to miss. Anyway, it has now come out. Let's put

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Speaker 1: this up there on the screen. Alan Dershowitz used his

484
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Speaker 1: leverage with Trump and his proximity there and lobbied him

485
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Speaker 1: to preemptively pardon Glaine Maxwell after speaking to her family. Now,

486
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Speaker 1: what they say is that there was a phone call

487
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Speaker 1: between Alan Dershwitz and a member of the Maxwell family,

488
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Speaker 1: at least of which he then lobbied the Trump administration

489
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Speaker 1: in order to try and get a pardon for her. Now,

490
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Speaker 1: this is really interesting because and Dershowitz obviously had a

491
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Speaker 1: lot to lose from this trial. The reason why is

492
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Speaker 1: that some of the tech stimoni an accusation relied on

493
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Speaker 1: Virginia Gouffrey, who is one of the accusers in the

494
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Speaker 1: Maxwell trial and in the Dershowitz allegation, she accuses Alan

495
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Speaker 1: Dershowitz of sexually assaulting her when she was under age.

496
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Speaker 1: She's also a prominent accuser against Prince Andrew as well

497
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Speaker 1: as many other different billionaires and powerful people. You can

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Speaker 1: go and look at the list of people that she's named.

499
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Speaker 1: He wanted to part or wanted to push a pardon

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Speaker 1: for the Maxwell family because he himself helped broker the

501
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: sweetheart deal for Epstein, and because a prominent accuser in

502
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Speaker 1: that trial. If it was validated that what she was

503
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Speaker 1: saying was true, would then validate an accusation against him,

504
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Speaker 1: which is something that he actually then tried to smear

505
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Speaker 1: her during his BBC appearance. It all just comes a

506
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Speaker 1: little circle on Alander. We had a lot of skin

507
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Speaker 1: in the game here. Let's just say a lot of

508
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Speaker 1: skin in the game. Also, so Michael wolf who's kind

509
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Speaker 1: of can be sketchy in terms of journalists, but with

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Speaker 1: a grain of salt. Yeah, he reported in his book

511
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Speaker 1: that Trump did actually consider this request pardoning Gleainne Maxwell

512
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Speaker 1: preemptively pardoning Ghleainne Maxwell at that end of his term.

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Speaker 1: And then I had forgotten, but do you remember this?

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Speaker 1: He got asked about Gallaine Maxwell a couple of times

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Speaker 1: at the end, and he said he told reporters of

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Speaker 1: White House Coronavirus briefing about Gallainne Maxwell quote, I've met

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Speaker 1: her numerous times over the years, especially since I lived

518
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Speaker 1: in Palm Beach, and I guess they lived in Palm Beach.

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Speaker 1: But I wish her well, whatever it is. Then he

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Speaker 1: got asked again by Axios's Jonathan Swann and very similar

521
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Speaker 1: message about just like, yeah, I wish her well. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I wish her well. I'd wish you well. I'd wish

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Speaker 1: a lot of people well good luck. Let them prove

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Speaker 1: somebody was guilty. And again, according to Michael Wolfe, he

525
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Speaker 1: started at the end of his term to inquire whether

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Speaker 1: she'd brought him up and whether there was anything he

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Speaker 1: needed to be worried about there, whether she was going

528
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Speaker 1: to roll out him. So if you put those pieces together,

529
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Speaker 1: it seems like he didn't want to piss her off

530
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Speaker 1: in these final moments of his presidency, understanding that hey,

531
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Speaker 1: a lot of things could come out ultimately in this trial.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, she actually didn't say anything about him.

533
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Speaker 1: She never testified. This was the last chance in open

534
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Speaker 1: court that we ever got at unsealing a lot of documents,

535
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Speaker 1: at looking what the FBI had. There's a lot of

536
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Speaker 1: stuff happening. I mean, you know, some speculation. Now, let's

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Speaker 1: put this up there on the screen that Sarah Kellen,

538
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Speaker 1: a former assistant to Epstein who scheduled some of the

539
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Speaker 1: massage appointments and sent cars to pick up people and

540
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Speaker 1: did all sorts of sketchy stuff, she might be targeted

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Speaker 1: via prosecutors. I just don't think so, Crystal. Drop the

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Speaker 1: charges against the guards. They're cleaning the house. They have

543
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: no reason to pursue this. They got exactly what they wanted.

544
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Speaker 1: They put the Maxwell behind bars. Nothing about the Epstein suicide,

545
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: nothing about any of the billionaires who we covorted with

546
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: all of the money remains covered up in open court.

547
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: It's all en sealed financial documents. You get little slivers

548
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: here and there from Deutsche Bank in the fine against there,

549
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: but this is it. It's like they tied it up

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Speaker 1: like a little bow. I don't think they ever gonna

551
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Speaker 1: I don't think you'll ever risk opening this up in

552
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Speaker 1: court ever. Again, what did you think about this case? Yeah,

553
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: because this is another person who was right there at

554
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Speaker 1: the center would have known the people involved would be

555
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: in a position. Named names exposed this whole sort of

556
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Speaker 1: like pyramid scheme of sexual abuse that Glene Maxwell's trial

557
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Speaker 1: really didn't touch on at all. What do you think

558
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Speaker 1: She claims that she herself was a victim, that she

559
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Speaker 1: was picked up when she was twenty one years old,

560
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Speaker 1: she'd been cast out of I guess she'd been raised

561
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Speaker 1: Jehovah's witness who'd been cast out in the community. She

562
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Speaker 1: divorced a man that she married at age seventeen. This

563
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Speaker 1: is what she's saying, that she was in this very

564
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Speaker 1: vulnerable place and they took her in and manipulated and

565
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Speaker 1: abused her too. And then she also then becomes complicit

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Speaker 1: and actively involved in abuse of other girls. This is

567
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Speaker 1: her story. What do you think of all that? That's

568
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Speaker 1: a very convenience story. It's something I would also say

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Speaker 1: if I was caught doing a lot of this stuff,

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Speaker 1: you know, you can go ahead and call yourself victim.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it is true. That also doesn't absolve you the

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Speaker 1: fact that you actively were complicit in the sexual exploitation

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Speaker 1: of young girls. And look, you know, maybe consider it

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Speaker 1: and sentencing, but like that's not something in terms of

575
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Speaker 1: it doesn't stopping you from charged of all this. I

576
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Speaker 1: again think this is a total distraction. I'm not saying

577
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Speaker 1: she shouldn't go to jail, and obviously with Maxwell, but

578
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Speaker 1: so much at the top was just totally left off

579
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Speaker 1: in the trial. I mean, dirt, this Dirshowitz thing is

580
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: much more of a glimpse in how this stuff really works.

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Speaker 1: That's right. Heida wants to get her pardoned so he

582
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Speaker 1: can get off the hook, make sure he doesn't get accused.

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Speaker 1: He wants to make sure that a lot of the

584
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Speaker 1: other people that she accused, Reginia, Gufrey, Awoud, Barak, he

585
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Speaker 1: is really Prime Minister. All these guys who slept at

586
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Speaker 1: Epstein's mansion on multiple occasions. I mean, all the billionaire

587
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: Leslie Wexner, you know, just for some reason signed over

588
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: like what power of attorney or whatever. It is a

589
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: little glimpse stuff is just gone. It is a little

590
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Speaker 1: glimpse into how this game was played and how they

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Speaker 1: got away with it for so long. Because in Dershowitz

592
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Speaker 1: just as one example of someone who was involved in

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Speaker 1: this whole sordid affair, and of course he denies any

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Speaker 1: allegations of impropriety or anything that's been you know that

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Speaker 1: he's been accused of. But here's a guy who has

596
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Speaker 1: extraordinarily prominent in American public life, who has direct access

597
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Speaker 1: to the President of the United States, has direct access

598
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Speaker 1: to you know, the airwaves on BBC and also in

599
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Speaker 1: Fox News that day too. By the way, they did

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Speaker 1: disclose the conflicts of interest that he has. He's extraordinarily

601
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Speaker 1: prominent lawyer, so he's well connected within sort of the

602
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: legal judicial realm and is able to secure this sweetheart deal.

603
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: Helped to secure the sweetheart deal for Epstein. So you

604
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: see the way that power protected power, and that is

605
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: the story of how they got away with this for

606
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Speaker 1: so many years before there were ever any potential consequences. No,

607
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Speaker 1: I think that's exactly right. All right, guys, we have

608
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Speaker 1: have yet another development in the case against the alleged

609
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: Gretchen Whitmer kidnappers, that whole plot which was exposed shortly

610
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Speaker 1: before the presidential election. Of course, we've been tracking here.

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Speaker 1: How First we learned that perhaps a majority or more

612
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Speaker 1: than a majority of those involved in this plot were Feds. Okay,

613
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Speaker 1: so that's revelation number one. Then we start to learn

614
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Speaker 1: about these people and what just a crew of criminals

615
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: effectively they are. One of them gets pulled because he

616
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: has a domestic incident with his wife, another one is

617
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: accused of perjury, another one has some consulting shop that

618
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: he's using to grift off his government work. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's just been one thing after another with these folks.

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Speaker 1: Who's really undermined the case that the government is trying

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Speaker 1: to make against these kidnap plotters. So here's the very

622
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: latest list of this up on the screen and BuzzFeed

623
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: to their credit, they are the only ones who've been

624
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: doing any really work in journalism on this. So the

625
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: latest is the government now says a key informant in

626
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Speaker 1: the Michigan kidnapping case, was a double agent. Claim is

627
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: the latest complication in a high profile case that once

628
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: seemed like a slam dunk. So here are the details.

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Speaker 1: Federal prosecutors say a key FBI inforemant was a double

630
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Speaker 1: agent who was actually working against the interests of the

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Speaker 1: government by trying to destroy evidence and prevent arrest. That

632
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Speaker 1: confidential informant, Stephen Robison, played a central role in the

633
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Speaker 1: investigation that led to the rest of fourteen men for

634
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Speaker 1: allegedly participating in a plot to kidnap Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer.

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Speaker 1: At the direction of his FBI handlers, Robison reached out

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Speaker 1: to potential targets, he organized meetings, he paid travel expenses

637
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Speaker 1: for people to attend such events. And now the government

638
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: appears to be totally disowning its own operative, saying that

639
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: he deceived the FBI and at times actively aided targets

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Speaker 1: of the investigation. So again take note they actually the

641
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Speaker 1: direction of his FBI handlers. He was reaching out to targets,

642
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: organizing meetings, paying for travel expenses. This was all at

643
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: the government's direction. That shows you how influential these informants

644
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: were in helping to create and facilitate this plot against

645
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: s Gretchen Whitmer, which is you know, that's all stunning

646
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: in and of itself, because you're not supposed to be

647
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: actually creating plots. You're supposed to be observing and exposing them,

648
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: not you know, facilitating them and inventing them out of

649
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: whole cloth. And it seems like he played an incredibly

650
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 1: central role in putting this whole thing together. And now

651
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: the government says, oh, we thought this guy was on

652
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: our side. Actually it turns out we had to disown

653
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: him because he was working too much on their side. Well,

654
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: it's very important to understand that, because the defense was

655
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: trying to get all that admitted as evidence, and now

656
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: that's why they're disowning him in order to try and

657
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: cast this out of the trial. Yeah, at this point,

658
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: who do they have left to testify in this trial?

659
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: Obviously the Feds themselves have been compromised, and now we

660
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: know the more that comes out in the discovery process.

661
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: You just learned time and again how many FEDS were

662
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: involved in this, how it looks like complete setup so

663
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: much as sketchy characters, including the agents themselves, then got

664
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,879
Speaker 1: fired right from the agency for like beating their white

665
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: I mean, look, it is very clear to me, if

666
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,399
Speaker 1: they know what's better for them, they should drop the case.

667
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: Because the more that continues to come out on this,

668
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: I'm not standing for the people who they're charging, by

669
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 1: the way, but I also think that they very clearly

670
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: at least got up to that line of entrapment here,

671
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: and that the more it comes out, it's an embarrassment

672
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: to them, To the Federal Bureau of Investigation, we continue

673
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: to just learn how much they leverage informants and allow

674
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Speaker 1: them to commit crimes and try to use them in

675
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: order to set people up. And whenever it hits these

676
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: politically charged cases, especially their behavior in October of twenty twenty,

677
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: it just looks outrageous in its implications for what it

678
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: meant to the political scene. It seems like what happened

679
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: here with this dude is that as discovery has gone on,

680
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 1: it has become clear that he went way too far

681
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 1: in terms of how much help he gave to the

682
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: plotters that they've charged, and so now ice now they

683
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 1: have to say, oh, well, actually he wasn't even though

684
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: we were helping him and we thought he was, he wasn't.

685
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: Actually ours he was actually on their site. That's why

686
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 1: you provided them with so much help and support, which

687
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: may have gone you know, it may have been a

688
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: situation where they saw if this is our guy, and

689
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: they can show all the things that he did to

690
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: help further this plot, it's going to be hard to

691
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:26,399
Speaker 1: argue against and entrapment defense. I just want to say,

692
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: I mean, this is this is exactly the playbook that

693
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 1: was run during the War on Terror. It's exact same tactics,

694
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: and you know, there was very very unsympathetic at the

695
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: time to make the case in favor of the individuals

696
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,479
Speaker 1: who were being indicted on terrorism charges. It's the same

697
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 1: thing here. It is not these are not sympathetic individuals,

698
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,439
Speaker 1: and so it can be dicey and complicated to make

699
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 1: the case. You know that this was effectively the FEDS

700
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: were way too involved here that they furthered the plot

701
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: in a way that you know, ultimately amounted to entrapment.

702
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: But the war that we learned, the more that it

703
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 1: really looks like this and this doesn't serve This doesn't

704
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 1: make the public safer, This doesn't serve the public interests,

705
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 1: not at all. It serves political ends of some you know,

706
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 1: prosecutor law enforcement officials getting to say in their resume

707
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 1: that they exposed this plot, and that's what you know,

708
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: that's the only end that this ultimately furthers. It does

709
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: not make us safer when you have the government actually

710
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,720
Speaker 1: creating more plots than would have existed before. So again,

711
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: the more we learn about this, the more questionable the

712
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: whole thing ultimately seems. There you go, some very big

713
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: news on the lab leak front. So the House Republican

714
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: Committee has released some new emails that they reviewed from

715
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Speaker 1: the National Institute of Health of discussions of the lableek

716
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: hypothesis between doctor Fauci and the head of the NIH

717
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 1: and many other prominent scientists. Let's put that up there

718
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: on the screen. These emails are vital because what they

719
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: show is that there was an institutional effort to push

720
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Speaker 1: back and stop any discussion of the Labee hypothesis within

721
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Speaker 1: the National Institute of Health, specifically Bob Gary. He was

722
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Speaker 1: shown in the emails and was spoken to BYNIH leaders

723
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Speaker 1: who advised him quote not to mention a lab origin

724
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 1: as that will just add fuel to the conspiracists. So

725
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,760
Speaker 1: within that it is very clear here that doctor Fauci

726
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 1: that Francis Collins, the head of the NIH, and others

727
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 1: were shown in summaries of calls and emails with leaders

728
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: who were experts in the field of virology specifically told

729
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: them to shut down discussions of a Labee hypothesis in

730
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Speaker 1: February of twenty twenty. And I think this is very

731
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: important because here's the thing. February one, twenty twenty. Try

732
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: to remember that time, there was no discussion around coronavirus.

733
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: I looked it up, actually our very first. I was

734
00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: freaking out a little bit around then. I got a

735
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 1: call from a friend of mine late January who said,

736
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Speaker 1: this is a big deal in China. I'm looking at

737
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Speaker 1: the data. This is a disaster for old people. We

738
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: are going to have a massive lockdown in America. The

739
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: first segment that we did on it was right after

740
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: Valentine's Day, late February on rising Wow actually went back

741
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: and found it. So but that's again, it just shows

742
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: you that February first, twenty twenty was a very very

743
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,280
Speaker 1: early time, and immediately at that time they were saying,

744
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:29,439
Speaker 1: do not mention any lab origin hypothesis as it will

745
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 1: fuel conspiracy theorists. This is not afterwards, this is during

746
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 1: the initial outbreak and showing you that from the very

747
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: beginning they were deeply concerned about the idea of a

748
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 1: lab leak, so much so that they were willing to

749
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,879
Speaker 1: shut down discussions of it. And the emails themselves show

750
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 1: that it's such an early time of shutting down the

751
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,280
Speaker 1: discussion on this crystal that they knew the political explosiveness

752
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: and the backlash that they would face when the truth

753
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: came to light two years later, it's clear as day

754
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 1: at least, if not the origin itself, although I think

755
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,399
Speaker 1: there's an overwhelming evidence pointing to the lab leak that

756
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: within the cover up from the very beginning, they did

757
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:10,919
Speaker 1: everything they could in order to make it go away.

758
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 1: I mean, so the cover up in certain ways is

759
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 1: worse than the crime, because look, no one is saying

760
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 1: here that the Chinese like intentionally or the Fauci intentionally

761
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: manufactured or pandemic around the world. Exactly. Lab leaks happen

762
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,399
Speaker 1: all the time. It has we learned throughout the course

763
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 1: of this pandemic is not that unusual. And to say, okay,

764
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: this is devastating, and this is why this is so important,

765
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: we come back to it, like it's really important to

766
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: know how this absolutely devastating pandemic that is going to

767
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 1: ultimately kill a million Americans, how this started, and what

768
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: we can do to prevent the next USS. And so

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Speaker 1: what you see in these emails when you read them,

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Speaker 1: the initial instinct from the scientists that Fauci is consulting

771
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Speaker 1: is that it probably came from the lab. Oh yeah,

772
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: they say, it's you know, seventy thirty or sixty forty

773
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 1: that they think it probably came from the lab versus

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00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: natural origin. And then over the next couple of days

775
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: they say, well, maybe it's more like fifty to fifty. Well,

776
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: fifty to fifty is still like, you know, that's that's all.

777
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: That's like, Okay, we have competing theories, and we need

778
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: to air this out and evaluate the evidence and do

779
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: investigations and figure out what the hell happened here. And

780
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: what they say is that further debate, this is the

781
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: direct quote further debate, and they're talking about on the

782
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: origin of the pandemic would do unnecessary harm to science

783
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: in general and science in China in particular, and that

784
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 1: it could also damage quote international harmony. Those were the

785
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 1: words of doctor Collins, a former director of us NIH

786
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: they're not worried about science in general or science in

787
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: China in particular, because if you're worried about science, you

788
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to find the truth, because that's what the

789
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: science science it's supposedly about. What they're really worried about

790
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 1: is the things we've talked about. Either're worried about their

791
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 1: grant funding, worried about their project, whatever their pet projects

792
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 1: are that they view to be career enhancing. That's what

793
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: they're really ultimately worried about here. This is truly a

794
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: smoking gun, especially when you think about the way that

795
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 1: doctor Fauci talked totally dismissively of the lab lea hypothesis. Yes,

796
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: he's still to this day holding on to the wet

797
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: market theory, which not even China stands behind anymore. That's

798
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: what I love. So I mean to look at the

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Speaker 1: tone of these emails, which start off is very like

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Speaker 1: I actually think it probably came from the lab to like,

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00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: I'm fifty to fifty here, and that it compare that

802
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: to the public tone from Fauci is just completely It's

803
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: just obvious that he was playing politics. He liked for

804
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: political reasons a certain theory, not because that theory was

805
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: more likely, and then the rest of the media. He

806
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 1: sets the tone for the rest of the media. This

807
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: theory gets completely blackballed. You can't discuss it, or you're

808
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: a racist. That was the real move, was to say

809
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 1: you you didn't even talk about it, or you're a racist.

810
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,320
Speaker 1: And now here we are, so many months and years later,

811
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Speaker 1: with mounting evidence that actually the obvious thing that likely,

812
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: you know, that scientists thought likely happened is you know,

813
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 1: increasingly evident that that is probably what occurred here. But

814
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 1: the perverting of science for political ends. This is a

815
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: smoking gun proving that that is what's been going on

816
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: all along. Yeah, it's really awful, and it again just

817
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: shows you about the cover ups and the lack of

818
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 1: the ida, the lack of rigor in our journalistic institutions

819
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: to look past the clear ideological cover up of all

820
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: of this and have no curiosity. Why does the House

821
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 1: GOP have to do this? Many journalists are well sourced

822
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: en off you in order to go and get the

823
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: data for themselves. They could have done it in June.

824
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Speaker 1: They could have looked at the spike protein and all

825
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: the unique elements of this virus back in June of

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty, when Brett Weinstein went on Joe Rogan's podcast

827
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Speaker 1: to tell the world about it. Why did it have

828
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,280
Speaker 1: to go that way? You know the answer? And the

829
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 1: most cow hardly and discussing thing that Fauci does is

830
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: he conflates criticism of himself with criticism of science. And

831
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: most recently, when Rand Paul was questioning him before Congress,

832
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 1: a really cowardly move he made was to suggest that

833
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: criticism of him is conflated with death threats, and that

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Speaker 1: you are thus responsible for death threats against him and

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Speaker 1: his family by criticizing of him. When you're in the

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00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: public eye, it comes with the territory. I know that

837
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:29,879
Speaker 1: sounds very callous. We get uncomfortable and odd messages all

838
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: the time, like one ninetieth famous as doctor one nine thousand,

839
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Speaker 1: famous as doctor Fauci. And that's just simply how it goes.

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Speaker 1: To have the unique privilege of having this job and

841
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: being able to speak on this platform, same whenever it

842
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: comes to Fauci. And this is how this all went down.

843
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen. Well, you deny, you deny, but

844
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,359
Speaker 1: the emails tell the truth of this. Now, this wasn't

845
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: the only time your desire to take down those who

846
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 1: disagree with you. Didn't stop with Harvard, Oxford, and Stanford.

847
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: You conspired with Peter Dazak, communicated with privately and other

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00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: members of the scientific community that wrote opinion pieces for Nature.

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Speaker 1: Five of them signed a paper for Nature an opinion piece.

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Speaker 1: Seventeen signed a paper that called it conspiracy theory, the

851
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: idea that the virus could have originated in the lab.

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00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: Do you think words like conspiracy theory should be in

853
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 1: a scientific paper, Senator, I never used that word when

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Speaker 1: I was referring to it. You're distorting virtually everything. Did

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Speaker 1: you communicate with the five scientists who wrote the opinion

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Speaker 1: piece in Nature where they were describing, Oh, there's no

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Speaker 1: way this could happen me? What did you talk with

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Speaker 1: any of those scientists? Keep the STILLI truth it is?

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Speaker 1: How you talk to any of the scientists privately? Yes,

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Speaker 1: wrote the opinion you did. What were they telling you privately? Well,

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Speaker 1: let me explain. You know, you're going back to that

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Speaker 1: original discussion when I brought together a group of people

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Speaker 1: to look at every possibility with an open mind. So

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Speaker 1: not only are you distorting it, you were completely turning

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Speaker 1: it around. As most scientists that came to you privately.

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Speaker 1: Did they come to you privately and say, no, way,

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Speaker 1: this came from the lab? Or was there initial impression

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Speaker 1: doctor Gary and others that were involved. Was there initial

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Speaker 1: impression actually that it looked very suspicious for a virus

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Speaker 1: came from a lab. Senator, we are here at a

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Speaker 1: committee to look at a virus now that has killed

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Speaker 1: almost nine hundred thousand people, and the purpose of the

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Speaker 1: committee was to try and get things out how we

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Speaker 1: can help to get the American public. And you keep

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Speaker 1: coming back to personal attacks on me that have absolutely

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Speaker 1: no relevance to reality. Do you think the arrogance crystal

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Speaker 1: of obsuscation. The only straight answer that he gave was yes,

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Speaker 1: I did communicate with him privately, and that was the

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Speaker 1: only one. And then he is, oh, you're distorting, and

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Speaker 1: apparently it was hot on a hot mic saying Jesus Christ,

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Speaker 1: what a moron. That's what went viral. People love the

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Speaker 1: fact they're like Fauci owns Rand Paul. Rand Paul is

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Speaker 1: an ownable figure. I get it. Well, that's that goes

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Speaker 1: back to your point about how it sucks that this

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Speaker 1: is partisan. Yes, because then I mean, yeah, Ran Paul.

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Speaker 1: He wants this political moment and he gets pay out

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Speaker 1: of that. That's his incentive. And it does mean that

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Speaker 1: you should be you know, Leary and be have questions

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Speaker 1: it because he has he has an incentive here to

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Speaker 1: create these moments as well. But yeah, when the media

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Speaker 1: isn't looking for these answers, when the Democratic Party, this

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Speaker 1: shouldn't be partisan. Everyone should want to know how this

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Speaker 1: started and what we can do to make sure it

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Speaker 1: doesn't happen again. Democratic Party actively wants to cover up

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Speaker 1: any any nefariousness that was done here in the early stages.

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Speaker 1: It's damning. It's utterly damning. They had caught red handed

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Speaker 1: acknowledging at the beginning. I mean, he's right. They convene

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Speaker 1: these scientists and their initial instinct was it probably came

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Speaker 1: from the lab. At least some of these scientist said,

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Speaker 1: it looks looks very unlikely that this would have developed

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Speaker 1: in nature. They cite the like fear insight or whatever

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Speaker 1: and say it's very unlikely that this naturally developed. And

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Speaker 1: then the so that's their internal discussion and the public

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Speaker 1: discussion is it didn't come from the lab. I'm very

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Speaker 1: certain the evidence shows it. We're going to publish this,

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Speaker 1: this piece in Nature that really just totally shut down

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Speaker 1: I mean that one piece was so effective in shutting

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Speaker 1: down any other lines of inquiry from the media. To

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Speaker 1: meet for a year slavishly follows along introduces this talking

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Speaker 1: point that if you even say anything about it, you

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Speaker 1: must be a racist, you must be a Trump white nationalist,

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Speaker 1: hack or whatever. And this is it, This is the

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Speaker 1: roots of the cover up right here before your face

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Speaker 1: is clear as clear as day. Yeah, And unfortunately you'll

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Speaker 1: hear about on YouTube. You're never going to hear this

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Speaker 1: in the media. I'll never hear it. You know, everybody's

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Speaker 1: going to say it's some Republican conspiracy or whatever. And

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Speaker 1: this guy will probably retire with a freaking award from

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Speaker 1: Presidential Mental Freedom or whatever. I don't know what to

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Speaker 1: say about this world. Okay, indeed, all right, guys, thanks

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Speaker 1: for watching. We're gonna have war for you later