WEBVTT - Sing Blue Silver: Blane Nordahl

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous crime is a production of iHeartRadio staring.

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<v Speaker 2>You know it's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh hey, what's up? It's me.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what's ridiculous. Yes, deals, deals.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, we're so bad at spotting them. Okay, I'm bad

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<v Speaker 3>at spotting them, but you know, like I'll give you

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<v Speaker 3>a for instance, pizza deals. Yeah, okay, what's a better deal?

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<v Speaker 3>One eighteen inch pizza or two twelve inch pizzas' eighteen inch?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, if people do.

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<v Speaker 3>Math, I know one of them, So I'll do the

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<v Speaker 3>math for you. So the diameter is twelve inches on

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<v Speaker 3>your pizza, right, okay, So then that means you have

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<v Speaker 3>an area inside the pizza of one hundred and thirteen

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<v Speaker 3>square inches. Okay, so that now double that?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh huh twenty six Boh, there you go, So.

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<v Speaker 3>You can do math. Now, if your pizza is eighteen

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<v Speaker 3>inches the diameter, then the area is two hundred and

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<v Speaker 3>fifty four seven square inches. So you get more pizza

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<v Speaker 3>from one eight eighteen inch er than two of the

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<v Speaker 3>smaller pizzas. That's why they give you the two medium

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<v Speaker 3>pizza deals. Oh wow or whatever?

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the thing is, you get two pizzas. You

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<v Speaker 2>can have different topics and then more people are happy.

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<v Speaker 2>I just want everyone to be happy.

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<v Speaker 3>I just want more pizza.

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<v Speaker 2>That's true. Now I want pizza.

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<v Speaker 3>Isn't that ridiculous? Though?

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<v Speaker 2>Math? Math is ridiculous see.

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<v Speaker 3>Math exactly and our inability to do it on the fly.

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<v Speaker 2>Gosh, I'm really proud of myself for double good.

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<v Speaker 3>We're thirteen way to go good for me.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know what else is ridiculous?

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<v Speaker 3>Nope?

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<v Speaker 2>Silver sing Blue Silver. This is Ridiculous Crime A podcast

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<v Speaker 2>about absurd and outrageous capers, heists, and cons. It's always

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<v Speaker 2>ninety nine percent murder free and one hundred percent ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>So true that, uh you know that song. Mama tried, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>Merle Merle Haggard Bakersfield own.

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<v Speaker 2>Mama tried to raise me better, but her pleading I denied.

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<v Speaker 2>That leaves me only to blame because mama tried.

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<v Speaker 3>Mamma tried, Mamma tried.

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<v Speaker 2>It has to be hard for mamas who try.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, ask mine, like.

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<v Speaker 2>They try and the kids still go bad?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, thank you, Yes, ask mine.

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<v Speaker 2>Sharon Fitzsimmons was one of those. She said of her son, quote,

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<v Speaker 2>he's not a completely bad person. He's a very likable person.

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<v Speaker 2>I think his big problem was intelligence and no common sense.

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<v Speaker 3>That can be a problem.

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<v Speaker 2>I just wish this would all come to an end.

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<v Speaker 2>The last time I talked to him about what he

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<v Speaker 2>was doing, this was a few years back. His response

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<v Speaker 2>was that it's an excitement thing. He said. He got bored.

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<v Speaker 2>So I said, well, why don't you take up skydiving?

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<v Speaker 2>I said, we're not wealthy people, but we'll back you up.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll support you morally, We'll be there for you.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't believe skydiving is a cheap hobby.

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<v Speaker 2>No, we're not wealthy, but will do what we.

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<v Speaker 3>Can to support your or.

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<v Speaker 2>Your skydiving habit. And who is this guy? I could

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<v Speaker 2>have taken up skydiving to save his mama the stress.

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<v Speaker 2>A man named Blaine Nordall.

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<v Speaker 3>Not Blaine Nordall, not the Blaine Nordal.

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<v Speaker 2>Blaine. He came from a good, hard working fan His

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<v Speaker 2>dad was actually an artist, like a really well regarded one.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not an art crime today though. His dad painted

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<v Speaker 2>realist paintings of apache life. And one day Michael Jackson

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<v Speaker 2>was in Steven Spielberg's office and saw one of those paintings,

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<v Speaker 2>and so Jackson reached out to Blaine's dad, Blaine Senior,

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<v Speaker 2>and they became really close friends, and Nordall Blaine Senior,

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<v Speaker 2>became Jackson's personal portraitist what yeah so? And they bonded.

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<v Speaker 2>Blaine Senior and Michael Jackson bonded over their traumatic childhoods.

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<v Speaker 2>This is what Blaine Senior said, quote, I grew up

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<v Speaker 2>in a difficult home and he did too. We had

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<v Speaker 2>no playtime growing up. We were both fanatical about work,

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<v Speaker 2>so we have this like heavy work ethic in the house.

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<v Speaker 2>His father said, quote, he could have been anything he

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to be talking about Blaine, not Michael Jareff. He's

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<v Speaker 2>never really given me an explanation of why. It just

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<v Speaker 2>breaks your heart. When your children are growing up, you

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<v Speaker 2>have all kinds of concerns. You want them to be healthy, happy, popular,

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<v Speaker 2>but you never think what would happen if they didn't

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<v Speaker 2>turn out to be proper citizens.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, Blaine nord All not a proper citizen.

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<v Speaker 2>He got busted for the first time when he was sixteen.

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<v Speaker 2>He stole from a store, had to pay it all back.

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<v Speaker 2>He dropped out of school in nineteen seventy eight and

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<v Speaker 2>worked construction, and then he got his ged and his

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<v Speaker 2>parents gave him a choice. You can become a cop

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<v Speaker 2>or you can join the military.

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<v Speaker 3>So they wanted him.

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<v Speaker 2>They wanted farms. So he joined in the Navy in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty and he did pretty well there for a while.

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<v Speaker 2>He got Sailor of the Month, which for some reason

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<v Speaker 2>is absolutely hilarious to me under like on the plaque

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<v Speaker 2>you can take the picture off. Yeah, he got commendations,

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<v Speaker 2>and he even was thinking he was like toying with

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<v Speaker 2>the idea of becoming a Navy seal.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh you know, was he too tall?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, so much for that. No, he had no work ethics.

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<v Speaker 2>So when he was just twenty one years old in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty three, he stole sixteen hundred dollars worth of

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<v Speaker 2>jewelry from a family in New Jersey on Halloween night.

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<v Speaker 2>So the homeowner he hears like this commotion because his

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<v Speaker 2>dog Saki alerted him. Let's hear it for sake.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's hear it for sake.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no mention in the newspaper articles of the time

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<v Speaker 2>about the possible breed of Sake. So let's each envision

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<v Speaker 2>our own version of Sake like a mini picture. It

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<v Speaker 2>disclosed your eyes. Okay, that's Saki. So Nordall he stole quote,

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<v Speaker 2>several gold chains, pendants, cufflings with the initials H jr.

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<v Speaker 2>And an antique pocket knife.

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<v Speaker 3>And so the.

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<v Speaker 2>Homeowner he confronts Nordall on his way out and they tussled.

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<v Speaker 3>They got oh it, well really prided him, not like

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<v Speaker 3>he excuse me and.

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<v Speaker 2>Somebody excuse me that'. And then Nordle's like he and

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<v Speaker 2>he goes to run away and the guy jumps on him,

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<v Speaker 2>tackles him. The home owner he rips Nordle's jacket off

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<v Speaker 2>of it and then tries to chase him, but Blaine

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<v Speaker 2>gets away. He's younger, and yeah, this is such a

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<v Speaker 2>bum maneuver. By the way, like stealing from some random

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<v Speaker 2>guy's house. It wasn't a mansion. It is just a

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<v Speaker 2>working guy.

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<v Speaker 3>I think we often like have to parse this line

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<v Speaker 3>because like you know, you hear me. I always root

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<v Speaker 3>for the criminals as long as nobody's getting hurt, but

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<v Speaker 3>not when they're just robbing normal demotion of hurt.

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<v Speaker 2>There's physical hurt and then.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly and also I don't want the violation of like

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<v Speaker 3>you know, if you're going to break into a store

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<v Speaker 3>that has insurance. That's one thing. If you're breaking into

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<v Speaker 3>someone's home and like it's going to be traumatic for

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<v Speaker 3>them or like, that's not what I'm going to excuse.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like that's fun crime.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you ever had your home broken into?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, not that I'm aware of. No. I've had stuff

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<v Speaker 3>stolen from outside of my house a bunch, right, And

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<v Speaker 3>I've had nineteen bikes stolen from me. It's god, nineteen.

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<v Speaker 2>It's terrible, Like it's it's a violation, and like it's interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about this because I was working on this

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<v Speaker 2>outline today and then I got forward in an email

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<v Speaker 2>from a listener named Hondo who had just had his

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<v Speaker 2>home broken into. They trashed the place. They took a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of stuff, including heirlooms, and he kind of he

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<v Speaker 2>just wanted to vent, but he said it changed his

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<v Speaker 2>mind about nonviolent crimes, like they're just not funny anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree. I don't. I don't want anyone to be

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<v Speaker 2>violated like that. I mean, like, okay, even the violently rich,

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<v Speaker 2>when they experience a violation, that's bad. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>just their personal stuff and the circumstances can be ridiculous,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's still a crime. It's like a violation of

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<v Speaker 2>the social.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, robbing a museum is different than robbing a person's.

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<v Speaker 2>House, right, So I just want to say, we don't

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<v Speaker 2>endorse this kind.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I don't endorse it, and we.

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<v Speaker 2>Feel terrible for Hondo. We do big up yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>everyone else who's had some dusty clowns break in and

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<v Speaker 2>take their stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>It's horrible. It feels terrible, and we would never make jokes.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, Blaine talk about that guy. This wasn't his

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<v Speaker 2>first job in the neighborhood. That night, though, the cops

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<v Speaker 2>were onto him. They set the bloodhounds on him because

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<v Speaker 2>they had the jacket, the literal bloodhounds. They had the jacket.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like, give this a huff and then go get them.

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<v Speaker 3>Get them.

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<v Speaker 2>For three hours, they searched for him with dogs, with

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<v Speaker 2>a helicopter. They even they had to interrupt trick or

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<v Speaker 2>treating like all. Yes, So if they caught him, that

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<v Speaker 2>meant that they could charge him with, you know, all

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<v Speaker 2>these other crimes. And they did. They caught him. They

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<v Speaker 2>charged him with one count of theft and one count

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<v Speaker 2>of burgway for another job in addition to the Halloween

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<v Speaker 2>night one in an interview in nineteen ninety eight with

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<v Speaker 2>Shrewsbury Police Captain James Wilson, looking back on the eighties,

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<v Speaker 2>he said, quote, he hit us a number of times.

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<v Speaker 2>He's the reason a wealthy older lady living here doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>have any silver. She replaced it three times and he

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<v Speaker 2>took it three times. Horrible. And he didn't just have

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<v Speaker 2>these burglary charges hovering over him. Remember how he was

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<v Speaker 2>in the Navy. He had an a wall charge because

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<v Speaker 2>he just skipped out.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not in the Navy anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like remember them the Navy, in.

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<v Speaker 3>The Navy, not anymore. I was in the Navy.

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<v Speaker 2>I hit the door before he could be tried. Though.

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<v Speaker 2>He got busted in New York and he racked up

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch more charges. He wound up doing time the end. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>good for him.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there you go.

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<v Speaker 2>So what's your ridiculous take away? So he got out

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<v Speaker 2>in the early nineties, but then he went straight the end,

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<v Speaker 2>So what's your ridiculous again? He did get out in

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<v Speaker 2>the early nineties, but he went back to criming almost immediately.

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<v Speaker 2>Nineteen ninety one, Detective Lonnie.

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<v Speaker 3>Mason got so common.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he was wearing a floppy hat and a turtleneck.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, he do so Mason was just driving me us,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't believe I didn't pick up on that. Mason

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<v Speaker 2>was an investigator for New Jersey's Monmouth County Prosecutors. He

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<v Speaker 2>busted Nordall twice and he knew more about him than

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<v Speaker 2>anyone else. So he gets a call from the local

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<v Speaker 2>cops in RUMs in New Jersey. They wanted his help

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<v Speaker 2>in nabbing Blaine after a bunch of silver related burglaries

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<v Speaker 2>in the area, so they figured it had to be

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<v Speaker 2>his work. So Mason he looks at the notes, he

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<v Speaker 2>realizes that all the burglaries happened on a Thursday night,

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<v Speaker 2>so he decided to go all out. They gave him

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<v Speaker 2>sixteen officers.

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<v Speaker 3>Someone's not watching friends, there's.

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<v Speaker 2>Not mustse TV for them, and they set up an

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<v Speaker 2>overnight stakeout that covered a two block area in Remson.

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing happened, no burglaries. Mason later said, quote, I thought,

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<v Speaker 2>thank God, maybe he saw one of our guys and

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<v Speaker 2>called it off. But then Mason he gets a call

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<v Speaker 2>from the chief. According to Mason, he said, quote, he said,

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<v Speaker 2>can you tell me why I authorized all this overtime?

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<v Speaker 2>Because he hit three houses last night, And I said, well,

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<v Speaker 2>what section, because I know one section he didn't hit.

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<v Speaker 2>My boss gave me the addresses and it was the

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<v Speaker 2>two block radius we were in. Just in their two blocks,

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<v Speaker 2>three houses. They couldn't sixteen dudes couldn't secure three times. Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>So he did eventually get caught for those and others.

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<v Speaker 2>In February of nineteen ninety two, he got locked up

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<v Speaker 2>in New Jersey after being charged with forty three burglaries

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<v Speaker 2>in Camden, Monmouth, Mercer, Morris and Somerset counties. In December

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<v Speaker 2>of ninety four, he was out of jail and into crime.

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<v Speaker 2>So he stole about two hundred and fifty thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 2>worth of silver from four homes Salver, Jersey. He only

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<v Speaker 2>stole silver. That was it.

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<v Speaker 3>That's his thing.

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<v Speaker 2>That was it.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, it's good, we'll talk, ok.

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<v Speaker 2>So he then worked his way from New Jersey in

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<v Speaker 2>Philadelphia and like Westchester County in New York to Boston,

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<v Speaker 2>Baltimore because around there, like the wealthy folks, they had

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<v Speaker 2>more colonial silver.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, real silver, you think of silver?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah. He started like hitting all it's in a case.

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<v Speaker 2>Rose Pointe, Michigan, Kennebunkport, Mainecastle, Delaware, Winnett, Illinois. I did,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's true. So he wintered in Miami and Palm Beach.

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<v Speaker 2>He hit them in the in the wintertime. How did

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<v Speaker 2>the cops always know it was him?

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<v Speaker 3>Because he's always taking silver?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 3>And is that it? Seriously?

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<v Speaker 2>He had a signature. He was immaculate and precise. So

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<v Speaker 2>this is maybe where his like childhood work ethic hammered.

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<v Speaker 2>He he would wear either latex gloves or those cotton

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<v Speaker 2>gardening gloves with like the little gripper dots on them

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<v Speaker 2>to avoid leaving fingerprints. He carried a duffel bag that

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<v Speaker 2>held screwdrivers, a carpet knife, wirecutters, a wood chisel, nail polars,

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<v Speaker 2>a flashlight, a white cotton rag, duct tape, and like

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<v Speaker 2>a really thin black steel pry bar.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a hell of a crime kit.

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<v Speaker 4>I like it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a good one. So he climbed power poles and

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<v Speaker 2>he cut the electricity to get around alarm systems. And

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<v Speaker 2>he was like five to four.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh this a little very important.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was easy for him to get into tight spaces. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he scraped putty from the windows or the doors, and

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<v Speaker 2>like would remove the panes of glass using duct tape.

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<v Speaker 2>He never set off sensors because no doors or windows

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<v Speaker 2>were actually opened, and he always left the panes of

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<v Speaker 2>glass stacked neatly against the outside of the house. Is

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<v Speaker 2>very style, very particular. He used architectural digest to find targets,

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<v Speaker 2>and like sometimes he'd call a real estate agent in

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<v Speaker 2>the area and say that he wanted to buy like

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<v Speaker 2>a really big, really old home in a established neighborhood,

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<v Speaker 2>a settled neighborhood, and where would I look? What are

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<v Speaker 2>some of those neighborhoods. So they'd give him all this information,

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<v Speaker 2>and based on that, he'd scope the neighborhood during the

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<v Speaker 2>day and he would look for houses that were like

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<v Speaker 2>set far back from the road, and so you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he'd figure out, Okay, this is where I want to hit.

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<v Speaker 2>He'd go back to his motel, he'd take a nap,

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<v Speaker 2>God bless, he'd have dinner people people, He'd have dinner,

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<v Speaker 2>and then he'd go back out, like in the middle

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<v Speaker 2>of the night to strike. And a lot of times

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<v Speaker 2>he would hike through forest for miles and like forest

0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:49.040
<v Speaker 2>backyards to get to his target. We've heard that before.

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<v Speaker 3>With the dinner set gang. Yeah. So I mean, if

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<v Speaker 3>you really want to be real about it, there's not

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<v Speaker 3>many cops in the woods.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and like you don't want to won't see a

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<v Speaker 2>car park.

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<v Speaker 3>People, People don't expect it right the way.

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<v Speaker 2>So once he's in, he went only for silver. Like

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<v Speaker 2>I said, so this is almost always downstairs, which means

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<v Speaker 2>it's less likely to wake up the owner's upstairs. He'd

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<v Speaker 2>hit the dining and pantry areas. He'd load everything into

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<v Speaker 2>a tablecloth that he'd find or like even like a

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<v Speaker 2>cabinet drawer.

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<v Speaker 3>Everything is the noise of that much matters, like he's

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<v Speaker 3>having to like I'm sure like put them in.

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<v Speaker 2>With I'm guessing, And so then he'd take it all outside.

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<v Speaker 2>Once he got outside, then he'd soar through the items.

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<v Speaker 2>That's when it would get noisy. And he brought a

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<v Speaker 2>test kit so he'd figure out is that silver is

0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:34.320
<v Speaker 2>silver plated, And he'd only take the very best pieces,

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<v Speaker 2>and I guess he just left the rest in the yard.

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<v Speaker 2>He would leave the table cloth or the dresser drawer

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever behind. A sneaker imprint was found on the

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<v Speaker 2>countertop after one of his heists, and that led to

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<v Speaker 2>his arrest in jail in nineteen ninety.

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<v Speaker 3>Two off a sneaker print one.

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<v Speaker 2>So he started throwing away his shoes, all his clothing,

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<v Speaker 2>and his break in tools when he completed a heist.

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<v Speaker 3>The other thing is is you buy your clothing at

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<v Speaker 3>a good will so that there's no ability to trace

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<v Speaker 3>the purchase.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, good point or any kind of like DNA.

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<v Speaker 3>Well anywhere. Yeah, but they wouldn't be able to say,

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<v Speaker 3>like your yeah, your shoes. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So why silver?

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<v Speaker 3>Why silver, Elizabeth?

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you? Stephen Dubner of Navinnie Yorker wrote. Quote. Mason

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<v Speaker 2>argues that silver was particularly appealing to Nordal because it

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<v Speaker 2>connotes the sort of family that passes along precious things

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<v Speaker 2>from one generation to the next, a family that was

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<v Speaker 2>distinctly unlike Nordal's own. As Mason sees it, Nordal remained

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<v Speaker 2>embittered by his parents' divorce. He resented his father and

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<v Speaker 2>became extraordinarily close to his mother. When Mason got ahold

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<v Speaker 2>of Nordal's phone records, he was astonished by the number

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<v Speaker 2>of calls between the two. Nothing gave Nordal greater pleasure,

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<v Speaker 2>Mason believes than stealing a rich man's silver and turning

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<v Speaker 2>it into cash that he would shower on his mother, who,

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<v Speaker 2>while unhappy about her son's calling, appreciated his devotion.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry I had to steal your silver, but I

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<v Speaker 3>hate my dad. Yeah, basically, that's cool. That's an interesting one.

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<v Speaker 2>If I was told that to my face, I'd be like,

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<v Speaker 2>it's an interesting like psychological analysis.

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<v Speaker 3>And wanting to send the money whatever to his mother,

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<v Speaker 3>like yeah, to a kind of apologize for the dad,

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<v Speaker 3>or like get over on. That's just a very interesting complex.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's it's not like the dusty clown behavior of

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<v Speaker 2>most burglars who are just no exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not also like lack of impulse control. It's like

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<v Speaker 3>a weird pathology exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>So during one job, he left behind like one thousand

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<v Speaker 2>dollars in cash that had been sitting on a dining

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<v Speaker 2>room table, which ps who has a thousand dollars sitting

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<v Speaker 2>on their dining room table? Not I you don't, said

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<v Speaker 2>the fly.

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<v Speaker 3>That's how I know it's my dining room table. It's

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<v Speaker 3>got the thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>As it comes in, like the cop comes in, he

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<v Speaker 2>sees it and he's like he's taunting us. This is

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<v Speaker 2>he's just doing that so the cops they keep on

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<v Speaker 2>this trail. He was the prime suspect of the May

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety six theft of one hundred and fifty one

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<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars worth of salt and pepper shakers. Huh silver ones. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and fifty dollars tiffany strawberry box, a ninety

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<v Speaker 2>dollars limoge garlic box, a ninety dollars limoge chestnut box.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, when you're saying these boxes is just like a

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<v Speaker 3>box for my strawberries, a box for my garlic.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm about to tell you a one hundred and twenty

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<v Speaker 2>dollars limoje lemon box and a one hundred and twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five dollars limoje artichoke heart box from Ivana Trump's place

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<v Speaker 2>in Greenwich.

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<v Speaker 3>What this is?

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<v Speaker 2>What a limoje box lit.

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<v Speaker 3>The one on the left.

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<v Speaker 2>So basically they're small hinged porcelain trinkets, little boxes made

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<v Speaker 2>in limoje. Friends, they're big, Yeah, they're super fanciful, particularly

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<v Speaker 2>the fruit and vegetable ones. This is like something you'd

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<v Speaker 2>get at gumps in the city in San Francis. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>so you wonder did Blaine give these to someone?

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<v Speaker 3>Elizabeth. Did Blaine give these to outside.

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<v Speaker 2>The Silver Uvra?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Nordal had an on off again girlfriend named Luanne,

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<v Speaker 2>like Zaren's favorite comic strip. Of course, this again off

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<v Speaker 2>again girlfriend's a fun girl.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I I.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't think he gave her the Limoje boxes, but it

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<v Speaker 2>was a really great segue for me to get you

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<v Speaker 2>to Luanne. So Luanne's girlfriend, but she also became an

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<v Speaker 2>informant for Mason. That was in the off again time. Apparently,

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<v Speaker 2>how did Mason flip Luwan?

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<v Speaker 3>How did Mason flipped Elizabeth? Break?

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<v Speaker 2>Let's take a break, we come back. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>tell you how Mason flipped lu Wan. Welcome Blaine, nordle

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<v Speaker 2>Red White and Blaine. That's a special shout out for

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<v Speaker 2>old Phineas Gage. So I was telling you about how Detective.

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<v Speaker 3>Lonnie Mason Common detective Common wo he loves hip hop,

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<v Speaker 3>does the hip and the loves.

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<v Speaker 2>Him Mammoth County Prosecutors Office. He convinced Blaine's girlfriend Luanne

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<v Speaker 2>to become an informant. Luan was a troubled she had

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<v Speaker 2>a heroin habit we should not be laughing about. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's very bad. That's a bad thing.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not just unfortunate thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's also kind of interesting seeing as how Blaine Nordal

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<v Speaker 2>didn't do drugs Like he didn't. He didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't usually hear about people being in a relationship

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<v Speaker 3>with someone who you're not doing heroin.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't even that he didn't do drugs. He didn't drink,

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't ingest caffeine.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow. Yeah, So and is this all like some moral

0:19:26.440 --> 0:19:27.080
<v Speaker 3>compunction of his.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just like his thing. His addiction was stealing things.

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<v Speaker 3>I get that.

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<v Speaker 2>A former girlfriend of his said he was obsessed with

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<v Speaker 2>stealing every night and then quote he got high off it.

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<v Speaker 2>He liked going into houses when people were sleeping. He

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<v Speaker 2>says it's more exciting to go into a house when

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<v Speaker 2>people are there and get away with it. So that's

0:19:42.280 --> 0:19:45.440
<v Speaker 2>his high. Yeah. So Luann like she's having a rough

0:19:45.480 --> 0:19:47.200
<v Speaker 2>one anyways.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I don't do drugs, I do crime.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically crime in my drugs. Mason put a bug in

0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:55.040
<v Speaker 2>Luand's ear that he could help her. Now it was

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<v Speaker 2>just up to her to reach out. And instead of

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<v Speaker 2>telling you about it, Zarin close eye. Oh yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>want you to picture it. It's nineteen ninety six, you're

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<v Speaker 2>a Greenwich, Connecticut police officer. What you are also on steroids?

0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:12.200
<v Speaker 3>All right?

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<v Speaker 2>That doesn't have anything to do with anything. I just

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<v Speaker 2>thought to be fun for you. You're also super into astrology.

0:20:18.600 --> 0:20:20.840
<v Speaker 2>Doesn't have anything. I just thought that'd be fun. So

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<v Speaker 2>about a week ago, you heard that someone broke into

0:20:23.400 --> 0:20:26.719
<v Speaker 2>Avonna Trump's house and stole some stuff, real fancy stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And this morning you were told that Blaine Nordall's girlfriend

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<v Speaker 2>was singing to Detective Mason. You've been assigned to his

0:20:33.080 --> 0:20:36.359
<v Speaker 2>special task force trying to catch this guy. Word is

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<v Speaker 2>Nordal is hold up at the Super eight in Stamford.

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<v Speaker 2>It's now eleven thirty at night. You and the other

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<v Speaker 2>dozen or so guys on your team are posted outside

0:20:45.960 --> 0:20:49.160
<v Speaker 2>the Super eight. It's a warm night, and you're sitting

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<v Speaker 2>in the passenger seat of an unmarked car with all

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<v Speaker 2>the windows down, outside of Kathy's Dominican Beauty salon and

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<v Speaker 2>Samela's barbershop next door. I should mention that Samela's has

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<v Speaker 2>a one star operating with the only review being quote

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<v Speaker 2>by chance. I saw this barber and decided that I

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<v Speaker 2>really needed a shave. What a mistake. I suffered three

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<v Speaker 2>cuts to the neck and face. FYI, it's just off

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<v Speaker 2>Exit six in Stamford. Be afraid, be very afraid.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the only review.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the only review. So a cruiser is parked at

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<v Speaker 2>the shell station on the corner. Another unmarked car is

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<v Speaker 2>in the Super eight motel lot, waiting to give the

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<v Speaker 2>signal that Blaine and the Wan have been spotted. You

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<v Speaker 2>hear the Connecticut Turnpike, a block away, quiet buzz of

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<v Speaker 2>traffic this time of night, big rigs humbi in the distance,

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<v Speaker 2>but the air around you is filled with the sound

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<v Speaker 2>of your police radio and cicadas. You have one job

0:21:39.720 --> 0:21:42.920
<v Speaker 2>for tonight, and it's a dramatic one. Your radio crackles

0:21:42.920 --> 0:21:45.480
<v Speaker 2>to life, and the announcement that Nordal has been spotted.

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<v Speaker 2>I repeat, Blaine is on the move. He and Luan

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<v Speaker 2>appear to be packing their car. Move, Move, Move. Your

0:21:51.920 --> 0:21:54.200
<v Speaker 2>partner hits the gas and squeals out of the parking

0:21:54.200 --> 0:21:56.439
<v Speaker 2>lot with a little too much gusto. Settle down, you

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<v Speaker 2>tell him, tranquilo compadre. You do your job. You're one job.

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<v Speaker 2>You dial a number on your cell phone, You say

0:22:03.680 --> 0:22:07.080
<v Speaker 2>you there into the line, You get a yes. Hold on.

0:22:07.160 --> 0:22:09.320
<v Speaker 2>You tell the person on the line, you and all

0:22:09.359 --> 0:22:12.119
<v Speaker 2>the other Greenwich police officers with a few Stanford guys

0:22:12.160 --> 0:22:15.280
<v Speaker 2>thrown in as a courtesy approach. Blaine and Luanne. You

0:22:15.320 --> 0:22:19.120
<v Speaker 2>step forward dramatically. You hand Luann your cell phone. It's

0:22:19.160 --> 0:22:23.320
<v Speaker 2>Lonnie Mason on the other end. Common Luanne, you have

0:22:23.359 --> 0:22:26.120
<v Speaker 2>two choices here. Mason tells her, you can either stay

0:22:26.119 --> 0:22:28.560
<v Speaker 2>on tour with Blaine and get indicted down the road,

0:22:28.880 --> 0:22:31.919
<v Speaker 2>or you can go with these cops and cooperate. You

0:22:32.000 --> 0:22:34.359
<v Speaker 2>know that Mason knows that Luanne has a ten year

0:22:34.400 --> 0:22:37.000
<v Speaker 2>old son back in New Jersey. Oh, Mason tells Luann

0:22:37.040 --> 0:22:39.720
<v Speaker 2>to think about him, not nor at all. Luanne starts

0:22:39.760 --> 0:22:42.320
<v Speaker 2>crying and hangs up the phone. She turns and gets

0:22:42.359 --> 0:22:45.679
<v Speaker 2>in the police car. What are you doing, nord All yells.

0:22:45.920 --> 0:22:47.679
<v Speaker 2>He tells her that she'll be in trouble without him

0:22:47.720 --> 0:22:51.199
<v Speaker 2>since he has her heroin. Whoa, whoa? You did not

0:22:51.320 --> 0:22:53.800
<v Speaker 2>know about that part. I'll get it from the police.

0:22:53.920 --> 0:22:57.560
<v Speaker 2>Luan says, Oh wow, there's a lot happening happening. There's

0:22:57.600 --> 0:22:59.399
<v Speaker 2>so much happening. You really want to ask her what

0:22:59.440 --> 0:23:01.160
<v Speaker 2>her sign is, to try and figure out the whole

0:23:01.240 --> 0:23:01.720
<v Speaker 2>energy here.

0:23:01.800 --> 0:23:03.720
<v Speaker 3>I have a good guest, though, She shuts the.

0:23:03.680 --> 0:23:06.639
<v Speaker 2>Car door, gets in the in the squad car. You're like,

0:23:06.720 --> 0:23:08.480
<v Speaker 2>I kind of need my phone back too, is what

0:23:08.560 --> 0:23:11.040
<v Speaker 2>you're thinking. But Luanne is lost in her thoughts. You'll

0:23:11.040 --> 0:23:15.240
<v Speaker 2>get it back later. So now Mason has Luanne on

0:23:15.240 --> 0:23:17.159
<v Speaker 2>his side, but he needed to lock that in and

0:23:17.200 --> 0:23:18.440
<v Speaker 2>get her to agree to testify.

0:23:18.600 --> 0:23:19.520
<v Speaker 3>This is like the movie Heat.

0:23:19.640 --> 0:23:23.680
<v Speaker 2>It's so amazing. So is so she started to talk

0:23:23.720 --> 0:23:26.320
<v Speaker 2>One night after Mason drove to her house and showed

0:23:26.359 --> 0:23:29.280
<v Speaker 2>a photo to her. It had been in Blaine's possession

0:23:29.320 --> 0:23:31.520
<v Speaker 2>the last time he got pinched. It was a picture

0:23:31.560 --> 0:23:33.840
<v Speaker 2>of a blonde woman in a white dress posing in

0:23:33.840 --> 0:23:37.320
<v Speaker 2>front of the Manhattan skyline. Not her, Yeah, not her.

0:23:37.640 --> 0:23:39.679
<v Speaker 2>Mason knows it's a gamble, but he's pretty sure it's

0:23:39.720 --> 0:23:43.080
<v Speaker 2>going to pay off. That son of a She does

0:23:43.200 --> 0:23:46.199
<v Speaker 2>what she shouts. Then she pulls a picture out of

0:23:46.240 --> 0:23:50.320
<v Speaker 2>her purse. It's the exact same picture but with her

0:23:50.400 --> 0:23:52.920
<v Speaker 2>in it, same pose, everything.

0:23:53.040 --> 0:23:54.520
<v Speaker 3>He just take this thing.

0:23:54.600 --> 0:23:57.879
<v Speaker 2>It's his thing. So Luanne, she's like, yeah, look I

0:23:57.920 --> 0:23:59.760
<v Speaker 2>know where both of these photos are taken. It's a

0:23:59.760 --> 0:24:02.960
<v Speaker 2>promenade and weehawken guess what you know? It's down the

0:24:02.960 --> 0:24:07.119
<v Speaker 2>block his fence oh so, then like, okay, this is

0:24:07.119 --> 0:24:09.040
<v Speaker 2>the last straw for her. So she starts giving the

0:24:09.080 --> 0:24:12.320
<v Speaker 2>Greenwich police any information about Nordle that she can think of,

0:24:12.840 --> 0:24:15.520
<v Speaker 2>and so they have the promise of her testimony. This

0:24:15.600 --> 0:24:19.720
<v Speaker 2>Detective Cornell Abrunzini, he was able to obtain a warrant

0:24:19.760 --> 0:24:22.119
<v Speaker 2>to arrest Nordal for six Greenwich burglaries.

0:24:22.160 --> 0:24:24.800
<v Speaker 3>When you hear mister Abrazzini, you don't expect Cornell.

0:24:24.920 --> 0:24:30.520
<v Speaker 2>Detective Cornell Cornell is so good. So despite Luann's help,

0:24:30.600 --> 0:24:34.439
<v Speaker 2>Mason and Abersini, they couldn't find Nordall anywhere in New Jersey.

0:24:35.400 --> 0:24:37.119
<v Speaker 2>He had a hunch that dude was hiding at his

0:24:37.160 --> 0:24:42.320
<v Speaker 2>mom's place in Indiana, though, oh so he had the

0:24:42.400 --> 0:24:46.720
<v Speaker 2>FBI put her home under surveillance. Nordal was spotted driving

0:24:46.760 --> 0:24:49.879
<v Speaker 2>to his mom's house with a truck full of drywall.

0:24:50.560 --> 0:24:52.879
<v Speaker 3>Apparently himself.

0:24:54.840 --> 0:24:56.679
<v Speaker 2>You know, he was off, he had a break in

0:24:56.720 --> 0:24:58.040
<v Speaker 2>his work and he had cash.

0:24:58.240 --> 0:25:00.680
<v Speaker 3>It's like a lawn order SVU, like we found there's

0:25:00.680 --> 0:25:01.760
<v Speaker 3>a whole room back here.

0:25:02.800 --> 0:25:05.480
<v Speaker 2>So FBI agents they told Mason that they would take

0:25:05.720 --> 0:25:08.679
<v Speaker 2>Blaine into custody, and Mason warned them against it. This

0:25:08.720 --> 0:25:10.959
<v Speaker 2>is what he said quote. I'll never forget it. It

0:25:11.000 --> 0:25:13.719
<v Speaker 2>was a rainy, nasty day, they said. We chased him

0:25:13.720 --> 0:25:15.320
<v Speaker 2>in the front door of his mom's house and out

0:25:15.359 --> 0:25:17.480
<v Speaker 2>the back, and he's in a wooded area. We haven't

0:25:17.520 --> 0:25:20.400
<v Speaker 2>cordoned off. We have helicopters up, we got dogs here.

0:25:20.640 --> 0:25:23.240
<v Speaker 2>It's nineteen degrees and it's going to snow. He can't

0:25:23.280 --> 0:25:25.760
<v Speaker 2>survive in the woods for any length of time. I said,

0:25:26.160 --> 0:25:28.040
<v Speaker 2>how long have you been out there? He said, oh,

0:25:28.119 --> 0:25:31.160
<v Speaker 2>about forty five minutes. I said, I'm telling you right now,

0:25:31.240 --> 0:25:34.359
<v Speaker 2>Blaine is gone. Blaine is probably ten miles away right now.

0:25:34.560 --> 0:25:36.200
<v Speaker 2>Call me back when you find out I was right.

0:25:36.560 --> 0:25:38.639
<v Speaker 2>Next day, I get a call. You're not going to

0:25:38.680 --> 0:25:40.760
<v Speaker 2>believe this. He was at a bank withdrawing money by

0:25:40.800 --> 0:25:42.520
<v Speaker 2>the time we were talking to you on the phone.

0:25:42.840 --> 0:25:46.920
<v Speaker 3>Blaine's like a Czechoslovaki and interior decorator. He ain't gonna

0:25:46.920 --> 0:25:49.280
<v Speaker 3>catch him in the woods. He's gone.

0:25:49.640 --> 0:25:53.040
<v Speaker 2>He is. He is in the wind. So the FBI

0:25:53.160 --> 0:25:55.159
<v Speaker 2>traced the credit card that he used to buy the

0:25:55.240 --> 0:25:57.879
<v Speaker 2>dry wall. It had been issued to one of his aliases.

0:25:58.600 --> 0:26:01.280
<v Speaker 2>So they issued this alert that described his car, and

0:26:01.320 --> 0:26:04.960
<v Speaker 2>an off duty officer saw it at a Walmart in Sparta, Wisconsin.

0:26:05.200 --> 0:26:08.480
<v Speaker 2>Whoa Yeah. October eighteenth, nineteen ninety six, at the age

0:26:08.480 --> 0:26:11.040
<v Speaker 2>of thirty five years old, he was arrested at a

0:26:11.040 --> 0:26:15.840
<v Speaker 2>Walmart in Sparta, Wisconsin. So at the Walmart, he was

0:26:15.840 --> 0:26:19.080
<v Speaker 2>caught with like these big rubber maid containers. He had

0:26:19.160 --> 0:26:22.680
<v Speaker 2>maps of the Connecticut's Fairfield County. He had a fake

0:26:22.720 --> 0:26:25.639
<v Speaker 2>credit card, he had a directory of America's rich and

0:26:25.680 --> 0:26:29.000
<v Speaker 2>famous on him, and they're like, you know, this is

0:26:29.040 --> 0:26:32.359
<v Speaker 2>a little suspects some downtime reading. So the police they

0:26:32.359 --> 0:26:34.720
<v Speaker 2>were like, they found out he had a storage locker

0:26:34.760 --> 0:26:36.920
<v Speaker 2>in Wilton, Wisconsin. They're like, oh, this has got to

0:26:36.960 --> 0:26:40.840
<v Speaker 2>be it. But you know there was nothing in there anyway.

0:26:40.880 --> 0:26:45.040
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, Angie Cannon of Night rit Or News service said, quote,

0:26:45.119 --> 0:26:47.280
<v Speaker 2>in the dead of night, dressed all in black, he

0:26:47.440 --> 0:26:51.720
<v Speaker 2>slunk to the butler's pantries and swiped the sterling cat burglar. Yes,

0:26:51.880 --> 0:26:54.000
<v Speaker 2>but it was no Carrie Grant that the police charged

0:26:54.040 --> 0:26:57.200
<v Speaker 2>last week. This accused sneak thief is five foot four

0:26:57.520 --> 0:27:00.400
<v Speaker 2>as a receding hairline drives a Dodge pickup. Was caught

0:27:00.400 --> 0:27:04.959
<v Speaker 2>at a Walmart. And she goes on to quote Detective Brunzini.

0:27:04.400 --> 0:27:06.720
<v Speaker 3>Why she got a like body sham and with the

0:27:07.880 --> 0:27:09.760
<v Speaker 3>he's got a receiving hair car.

0:27:10.400 --> 0:27:12.600
<v Speaker 2>What's up with the papers? With the unnecessary?

0:27:12.720 --> 0:27:14.399
<v Speaker 3>They just throw him in for like, I got some

0:27:14.440 --> 0:27:15.520
<v Speaker 3>space in his column A.

0:27:15.520 --> 0:27:18.360
<v Speaker 2>Brunzini sprinkles a little on top. I don't think Hollywood

0:27:18.520 --> 0:27:19.320
<v Speaker 2>will sign him up?

0:27:19.640 --> 0:27:20.200
<v Speaker 3>What the hell?

0:27:20.280 --> 0:27:24.760
<v Speaker 2>Come on, dude, you must be surprised. Exactly. So he's

0:27:24.800 --> 0:27:26.080
<v Speaker 2>held on five hundred thousand.

0:27:26.200 --> 0:27:28.240
<v Speaker 3>That is why the man steals, because you guys just

0:27:28.280 --> 0:27:28.919
<v Speaker 3>won't let him.

0:27:28.920 --> 0:27:31.640
<v Speaker 2>The world is cruel. He gets held on five hundred

0:27:31.640 --> 0:27:35.879
<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars bond while extradition to Connecticut was pending, and

0:27:35.880 --> 0:27:37.880
<v Speaker 2>that's where he was wanted for two counts of third

0:27:37.880 --> 0:27:41.160
<v Speaker 2>degree larceny, four counts of first degree larseny, and six

0:27:41.240 --> 0:27:42.720
<v Speaker 2>counts of second degree burglary.

0:27:43.119 --> 0:27:45.359
<v Speaker 3>Did the fashion police come after? No counts?

0:27:45.359 --> 0:27:47.719
<v Speaker 2>No counts on that? Apparently he bought his clothes at

0:27:47.760 --> 0:27:50.240
<v Speaker 2>men's warehouse. Oh it's a fun fact.

0:27:51.119 --> 0:27:51.920
<v Speaker 3>So research.

0:27:53.640 --> 0:27:55.639
<v Speaker 2>No stolen ims were found in his home when it

0:27:55.680 --> 0:27:58.280
<v Speaker 2>was searched, but they did find materials needed to make

0:27:58.280 --> 0:28:01.440
<v Speaker 2>fake id's and they all found a video called how

0:28:01.480 --> 0:28:04.679
<v Speaker 2>to Create a New Birth Certificate, a rubber stamp that

0:28:04.760 --> 0:28:08.480
<v Speaker 2>read original document and a book called how to Launder Money?

0:28:08.560 --> 0:28:10.240
<v Speaker 3>Don't you think the FBI is the one who writes

0:28:10.280 --> 0:28:12.680
<v Speaker 3>these things, Like if you have a video and you're

0:28:12.720 --> 0:28:16.320
<v Speaker 3>like clicking on it, they're like, we got another totally.

0:28:16.800 --> 0:28:20.200
<v Speaker 2>So at this point, he's suspected of stealing one million

0:28:20.240 --> 0:28:24.399
<v Speaker 2>dollars in silver in approximately forty burglaries over the past

0:28:24.480 --> 0:28:27.160
<v Speaker 2>four years. This is like Connecticut, Florida, all of them.

0:28:27.720 --> 0:28:30.040
<v Speaker 2>He also hit a bunch of places in Palm Beach, Florida,

0:28:30.080 --> 0:28:34.800
<v Speaker 2>including the home of sportscaster Kurt Goudie. Yeah, so police

0:28:35.000 --> 0:28:38.120
<v Speaker 2>they suspected him of breaking into Bruce Springsteen's place in

0:28:38.200 --> 0:28:40.000
<v Speaker 2>RUMs And, New Jersey, but that turned out to be

0:28:40.040 --> 0:28:41.800
<v Speaker 2>not true. I think they just thought maybe this is

0:28:41.840 --> 0:28:42.960
<v Speaker 2>how we meet the race.

0:28:43.040 --> 0:28:44.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we're just gonna suspect it.

0:28:44.800 --> 0:28:46.760
<v Speaker 2>Bruce, ye call us, we got to come over.

0:28:46.920 --> 0:28:48.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, tell the boss we have his silver.

0:28:48.760 --> 0:28:51.200
<v Speaker 2>He was also the suspect of the theft of fifty

0:28:51.240 --> 0:28:54.240
<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars worth of silver from the grounds of Andalucia,

0:28:54.320 --> 0:28:58.000
<v Speaker 2>the childhood home of diplomat Nicholas Biddle, who's and that

0:28:58.160 --> 0:29:01.080
<v Speaker 2>is now a National Historic Landmark on the river.

0:29:01.200 --> 0:29:02.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:29:02.280 --> 0:29:07.840
<v Speaker 2>Well, public defender his his lawyer said, quote, everyone else

0:29:07.840 --> 0:29:10.600
<v Speaker 2>in the East Coast who has an unexplained burglary is

0:29:10.640 --> 0:29:13.640
<v Speaker 2>convinced he did it. And Jimmy Hoffs disappearance too.

0:29:13.800 --> 0:29:17.640
<v Speaker 3>Hey got a comedian. Yeah, so lawyers always trying to

0:29:17.760 --> 0:29:20.120
<v Speaker 3>do a quick five. I got a crowd here. Why

0:29:20.160 --> 0:29:20.800
<v Speaker 3>got you guys?

0:29:20.840 --> 0:29:22.560
<v Speaker 2>He wants to get on court TV. That was the

0:29:22.600 --> 0:29:26.320
<v Speaker 2>thing of the day. Second Assistant prosecutor. That's a good title,

0:29:26.400 --> 0:29:29.840
<v Speaker 2>Robert Honecker said, quote, He's the burglar to the stars.

0:29:29.880 --> 0:29:30.560
<v Speaker 3>See what's the game?

0:29:30.640 --> 0:29:34.640
<v Speaker 2>They all look, I'm quoting them, but Michael they won.

0:29:34.720 --> 0:29:36.480
<v Speaker 3>Michael Chertoff though, he'll drop the bars.

0:29:36.720 --> 0:29:39.160
<v Speaker 2>So the thing is like, he's this burglar to the stars.

0:29:39.200 --> 0:29:41.960
<v Speaker 2>But he didn't know or care whose house he was hitting.

0:29:41.960 --> 0:29:43.880
<v Speaker 3>Whose house runs house? Whose house?

0:29:43.960 --> 0:29:46.479
<v Speaker 2>The only reason that he knew he'd taken stuff from

0:29:46.520 --> 0:29:48.760
<v Speaker 2>Ivana Trump is that he got back to his motel

0:29:48.840 --> 0:29:52.280
<v Speaker 2>and saw Trump stamp stamped on the back of two

0:29:52.280 --> 0:29:54.680
<v Speaker 2>pewter plates. And he didn't care about that. He was

0:29:54.680 --> 0:29:58.120
<v Speaker 2>more bone than he'd picked up pewter. Let's take a break.

0:29:58.720 --> 0:30:01.920
<v Speaker 2>When we get back from this time of quiet contemplation,

0:30:02.200 --> 0:30:04.600
<v Speaker 2>I am going to continue telling you about Blaine Nordal

0:30:05.080 --> 0:30:08.080
<v Speaker 2>or not. Like, maybe I'll mix it up and change

0:30:08.080 --> 0:30:10.760
<v Speaker 2>gears and push the envelope talk about something else. Maybe

0:30:10.760 --> 0:30:12.480
<v Speaker 2>I'll talk about all the hobbies I picked up and

0:30:12.520 --> 0:30:15.000
<v Speaker 2>never finish. Yeah, you're gonna have to tune in and see.

0:30:14.920 --> 0:30:16.760
<v Speaker 3>Be the Zamboni you want to see in the world.

0:30:36.920 --> 0:30:38.520
<v Speaker 2>Blaine, Blaine, Nordal.

0:30:38.360 --> 0:30:39.040
<v Speaker 3>No, no Zaren.

0:30:39.240 --> 0:30:43.200
<v Speaker 2>It's Zaren, But I always want to say Narwal. You

0:30:43.240 --> 0:30:45.680
<v Speaker 2>look at it, see it, and I see Narwhal, but

0:30:45.720 --> 0:30:49.480
<v Speaker 2>it's Nordal. It's not Narwal Zarin. Stop it. After his

0:30:49.640 --> 0:30:53.880
<v Speaker 2>arrest at the Walmart at the Walls, about two point

0:30:53.960 --> 0:30:57.560
<v Speaker 2>three million dollars in burglary claims in fourteen states were

0:30:57.560 --> 0:31:00.000
<v Speaker 2>attributed to him. So first they're like, it's a million

0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:03.160
<v Speaker 2>in and then all these other people are chiming in. Yeah,

0:31:03.880 --> 0:31:06.120
<v Speaker 2>everyone was thrilled to have caught him, and they wanted

0:31:06.160 --> 0:31:08.080
<v Speaker 2>to talk about him too. So let me read you

0:31:08.080 --> 0:31:10.360
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of quotes of everyone wanting to and again

0:31:10.400 --> 0:31:13.520
<v Speaker 2>they won because now I'm quoting them. Detective Sergeant Michael

0:31:13.560 --> 0:31:18.480
<v Speaker 2>Shookt of Southampton Village on Long Island's East End said quote,

0:31:18.760 --> 0:31:20.960
<v Speaker 2>when and if I meet him, I'd like to shake

0:31:21.040 --> 0:31:24.680
<v Speaker 2>his hand. He was extremely good, very professional, very efficient,

0:31:25.200 --> 0:31:27.479
<v Speaker 2>and they said that Nordal took quote a lot of

0:31:27.520 --> 0:31:32.080
<v Speaker 2>intestinal fortitude.

0:31:32.400 --> 0:31:35.520
<v Speaker 3>Cops want to be writers, lawyers want to be communians.

0:31:35.000 --> 0:31:36.680
<v Speaker 2>Rock stars want to be I just want to go.

0:31:37.960 --> 0:31:38.920
<v Speaker 3>You want to be asleep.

0:31:39.040 --> 0:31:42.640
<v Speaker 2>I just want to be asleep. Monroe County District Attorney

0:31:42.720 --> 0:31:44.120
<v Speaker 2>or I suppose if it were in the south of

0:31:44.200 --> 0:31:52.120
<v Speaker 2>the Monroe but Monroe County District Attorney John me Twusecotball quote. See, yeah,

0:31:52.320 --> 0:31:55.240
<v Speaker 2>I've had lots of guys try to intimidate me in court.

0:31:55.320 --> 0:31:55.840
<v Speaker 3>Don't brag.

0:31:55.960 --> 0:31:58.640
<v Speaker 2>Guys will stare you down and maybe say something. I

0:31:58.680 --> 0:32:02.040
<v Speaker 2>always stare them down. The usually smile. But this guy

0:32:02.120 --> 0:32:04.840
<v Speaker 2>is so cool. We had our stare down, but he

0:32:04.840 --> 0:32:06.920
<v Speaker 2>didn't budge, which is unusual.

0:32:09.200 --> 0:32:13.120
<v Speaker 3>Silverback psychology. I stare, they stare, sometimes smile.

0:32:13.800 --> 0:32:18.520
<v Speaker 2>Detective Fred Nort the Southampton Police Department said, quote, Blaine

0:32:18.560 --> 0:32:22.400
<v Speaker 2>was good, very good. One of the best cat burglars

0:32:22.440 --> 0:32:25.520
<v Speaker 2>I've seen. He was never armed, he was never violent,

0:32:25.720 --> 0:32:28.800
<v Speaker 2>he never heard anyone. He was like Robin Hood, stealing

0:32:28.800 --> 0:32:31.640
<v Speaker 2>from the rich, except he didn't give to the poor.

0:32:33.960 --> 0:32:34.200
<v Speaker 4>Guy.

0:32:34.720 --> 0:32:37.360
<v Speaker 2>Lower Marion Police Sergeant Mark Keenan, what did he say?

0:32:37.400 --> 0:32:37.680
<v Speaker 4>Saren.

0:32:37.800 --> 0:32:40.040
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I don't know, but fan of Charles Bronson movies,

0:32:40.080 --> 0:32:40.880
<v Speaker 3>I know it's gonna be good.

0:32:41.080 --> 0:32:44.240
<v Speaker 2>Quote. He lives a very low key lifestyle. He never

0:32:44.280 --> 0:32:48.040
<v Speaker 2>goes out controversy. Thanks thanks for telling us that.

0:32:48.520 --> 0:32:50.600
<v Speaker 3>Are you projecting the investigation?

0:32:50.920 --> 0:32:52.959
<v Speaker 2>It looked like most of his spending took place at

0:32:53.000 --> 0:32:57.240
<v Speaker 2>Walmart and Walgreens and in the walls. During one six

0:32:57.280 --> 0:32:59.520
<v Speaker 2>week stretch, he spent more than two.

0:32:59.400 --> 0:33:02.440
<v Speaker 3>Grand at wall drinking. Harvey walbachers do that six.

0:33:02.280 --> 0:33:05.479
<v Speaker 2>Weeks, you could do it nuts, Yeah, anyway, and then,

0:33:05.520 --> 0:33:07.360
<v Speaker 2>like I said, he bought his clothes at Men's Warehouse

0:33:08.040 --> 0:33:11.480
<v Speaker 2>after his arrest. After his arrest at the Walmart, it

0:33:11.640 --> 0:33:14.280
<v Speaker 2>soon became obvious that, like, he's not going to do

0:33:14.320 --> 0:33:17.000
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of time because none of the cases against

0:33:17.080 --> 0:33:20.520
<v Speaker 2>him were strong. They had no forensic evidence, none of

0:33:20.560 --> 0:33:23.760
<v Speaker 2>the silver was recovered, there's no record of any of

0:33:23.760 --> 0:33:27.200
<v Speaker 2>the cash that he got from the sale of this. Yeah.

0:33:27.200 --> 0:33:29.800
<v Speaker 2>And then we got the little issue of our star witness.

0:33:29.920 --> 0:33:31.479
<v Speaker 2>When is a heroin addict?

0:33:31.880 --> 0:33:33.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you can usually assassinate that character.

0:33:34.400 --> 0:33:36.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So this is what his attorney said. Quote, if

0:33:36.640 --> 0:33:39.040
<v Speaker 2>you're in law enforcement and you've got some cold cases,

0:33:39.120 --> 0:33:41.200
<v Speaker 2>you'll give your kidney just to get somebody to say

0:33:41.280 --> 0:33:44.680
<v Speaker 2>I did that. Blaine harms nobody, aside from the fact

0:33:44.680 --> 0:33:47.480
<v Speaker 2>that you'll never see your great great great grandfather's knife

0:33:47.520 --> 0:33:52.360
<v Speaker 2>and fork again. Okay, what if it happens to you, sir?

0:33:53.240 --> 0:33:56.680
<v Speaker 2>You know, someday blaineill rob his own attorney. On October eleventh,

0:33:56.760 --> 0:34:00.480
<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety seven, he confessed. Blaine confessed to making into

0:34:00.560 --> 0:34:05.400
<v Speaker 2>seven Greenwich homes, including Evonna Trump's. He and his lawyer

0:34:05.400 --> 0:34:08.640
<v Speaker 2>they signed a deal with federal prosecutors that laid out

0:34:08.640 --> 0:34:12.160
<v Speaker 2>all the details of like one hundred and fifty recent burglaries.

0:34:12.440 --> 0:34:15.120
<v Speaker 2>Blaine agreed to meet with police officers from the jurisdiction

0:34:15.239 --> 0:34:18.600
<v Speaker 2>so that they could like officially clear the cases. In exchange,

0:34:18.680 --> 0:34:21.719
<v Speaker 2>he would plead guilty only to the interstate Transportation of

0:34:21.840 --> 0:34:22.680
<v Speaker 2>Stolen Property.

0:34:23.400 --> 0:34:25.880
<v Speaker 3>Oh he went to federal chargem.

0:34:25.160 --> 0:34:28.399
<v Speaker 2>Smart So, while free on bail, he gets arrested again

0:34:29.520 --> 0:34:35.040
<v Speaker 2>smart Smart, this time this time by Baltimore police after

0:34:35.080 --> 0:34:37.840
<v Speaker 2>they got a tip from Lower Marion police in Philadelphia

0:34:37.880 --> 0:34:40.799
<v Speaker 2>who noticed him making his way to Baltimore. He was

0:34:40.880 --> 0:34:43.960
<v Speaker 2>walking back to his nineteen ninety one red Cadillac Deville,

0:34:44.239 --> 0:34:47.239
<v Speaker 2>which was parked outside of mansion. They had more than

0:34:47.360 --> 0:34:50.320
<v Speaker 2>two dozen cops waiting at the car, like, oh hey, Blaine,

0:34:50.360 --> 0:34:53.840
<v Speaker 2>what's up. He had burglary tools on him, but no silver,

0:34:54.560 --> 0:34:56.479
<v Speaker 2>but they were able to tie him to these five

0:34:56.560 --> 0:34:59.920
<v Speaker 2>other burglaries. So Baltimore police said that they had been

0:35:00.040 --> 0:35:03.680
<v Speaker 2>preparing since summer to charge him with twelve burglaries that

0:35:03.760 --> 0:35:07.640
<v Speaker 2>took place inside their city limits. That spree allegedly took

0:35:07.640 --> 0:35:10.760
<v Speaker 2>place after he was released on bail. When police noticed

0:35:10.800 --> 0:35:14.120
<v Speaker 2>that similar crimes were occurring again. They started keeping him

0:35:14.200 --> 0:35:18.200
<v Speaker 2>under nighttime surveillance. And police though they'd lose him because

0:35:18.200 --> 0:35:21.040
<v Speaker 2>he'd get off of highways onto deserted streets and they'd

0:35:21.040 --> 0:35:23.880
<v Speaker 2>circle a few times and always lose the tail every time.

0:35:24.480 --> 0:35:28.200
<v Speaker 2>So in this little spree, seven hundred thousand dollars worth

0:35:28.239 --> 0:35:31.760
<v Speaker 2>of silver was stolen. According to one of the veteran

0:35:31.800 --> 0:35:34.960
<v Speaker 2>cops quote, he knew the difference between silver plated and

0:35:35.000 --> 0:35:38.520
<v Speaker 2>solid silver. He is a true professional. You just don't

0:35:38.520 --> 0:35:41.280
<v Speaker 2>find a burgler like this every day. This has probably

0:35:41.360 --> 0:35:43.640
<v Speaker 2>been the most difficult case as far as burglary goes

0:35:43.680 --> 0:35:44.760
<v Speaker 2>that I've seen in my career.

0:35:45.000 --> 0:35:46.360
<v Speaker 3>You know, you got to kind of hand it to

0:35:46.480 --> 0:35:48.799
<v Speaker 3>cops for being honest about this, because you know, they

0:35:48.840 --> 0:35:51.000
<v Speaker 3>deal with some of the dumbest most just like whoah,

0:35:51.280 --> 0:35:54.319
<v Speaker 3>like yeah, gobsmack head hitting kind of like why would

0:35:54.320 --> 0:35:56.160
<v Speaker 3>you do that? Criminals? And then finally got one guy

0:35:56.160 --> 0:35:59.160
<v Speaker 3>who's like really good. They're like this guy's and you know,

0:35:59.200 --> 0:36:01.080
<v Speaker 3>it's kind of like a comp meant to us why

0:36:01.080 --> 0:36:02.719
<v Speaker 3>I got into this, Yeah, this is what I want

0:36:02.760 --> 0:36:03.440
<v Speaker 3>to be doing.

0:36:03.920 --> 0:36:07.360
<v Speaker 2>So in January of two thousand and two, this huge

0:36:07.440 --> 0:36:10.200
<v Speaker 2>hall of silver gets stolen from a mansion in ryan Beck,

0:36:10.320 --> 0:36:14.240
<v Speaker 2>New York, Edgewater not Yes, built in eighteen twenty three.

0:36:14.440 --> 0:36:17.239
<v Speaker 2>The owner at the time, Richard Jenratt. He was a

0:36:17.280 --> 0:36:22.280
<v Speaker 2>retired financier whose hobby was preserving historic homes. That's a great.

0:36:22.080 --> 0:36:24.840
<v Speaker 3>Hobby, preserving like for like the historic record, or just

0:36:24.880 --> 0:36:26.919
<v Speaker 3>like you know, maybe like like flipping them.

0:36:27.040 --> 0:36:29.160
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, like preserving them for the historic record,

0:36:29.200 --> 0:36:31.520
<v Speaker 2>going through and making sure that everything is repaired to

0:36:31.640 --> 0:36:34.000
<v Speaker 2>period details or whatever. You know. It's like kind of

0:36:34.000 --> 0:36:34.840
<v Speaker 2>like one of my hobbies.

0:36:34.920 --> 0:36:35.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that you do that on weeks.

0:36:35.920 --> 0:36:36.960
<v Speaker 2>It's easy. It's so cheap.

0:36:37.440 --> 0:36:39.800
<v Speaker 3>I mean, they're Barbie dream homes but the same stuff.

0:36:40.840 --> 0:36:43.880
<v Speaker 2>Edgewater had been the home of the Donaldson family.

0:36:44.000 --> 0:36:46.319
<v Speaker 3>Oh, yes, the Donaldson is good family. I've known them

0:36:46.360 --> 0:36:48.920
<v Speaker 3>since the same dogs, ages and generatt.

0:36:48.960 --> 0:36:52.640
<v Speaker 2>He tracked down the last living Donaldson descendant who had

0:36:52.680 --> 0:36:55.760
<v Speaker 2>moved to the south of Spain, and he convinced her

0:36:55.960 --> 0:36:59.000
<v Speaker 2>to keep the family's original silver at Edgewater.

0:36:59.040 --> 0:37:00.600
<v Speaker 3>Well, they've had it for donkeys years and.

0:37:00.520 --> 0:37:04.000
<v Speaker 2>It was a massive set. He's like repatriated back to

0:37:04.080 --> 0:37:08.279
<v Speaker 2>the hump. All of that silver was starle gone, as

0:37:08.320 --> 0:37:11.960
<v Speaker 2>well as a toddy ladle and it's fish server for

0:37:13.320 --> 0:37:17.560
<v Speaker 2>a six piece tea set, luncheon knives and dematas spoons

0:37:17.640 --> 0:37:18.799
<v Speaker 2>and a chocolate pot.

0:37:20.000 --> 0:37:24.120
<v Speaker 3>Demotos spoons, chocolate pot, Come on, choco, that's one.

0:37:24.120 --> 0:37:27.120
<v Speaker 2>He takes all the silver that had been like painstakingly

0:37:27.239 --> 0:37:29.960
<v Speaker 2>returned to the home. Yes, and there was poor woman

0:37:30.120 --> 0:37:33.400
<v Speaker 2>in Spain is like okay, great, thanks good advice. He

0:37:33.480 --> 0:37:37.440
<v Speaker 2>left behind these like crazy expensive paintings and porcelain. Is

0:37:37.520 --> 0:37:41.000
<v Speaker 2>he just blain? He just wanted silver. The same evening

0:37:41.080 --> 0:37:44.760
<v Speaker 2>there was another burglary, same evening as Edgewater, ten miles

0:37:44.800 --> 0:37:48.799
<v Speaker 2>south at Wilderstein or Wilderstein. I don't know how you

0:37:48.840 --> 0:37:51.640
<v Speaker 2>say it, and quite frankly, I don't care. This was

0:37:51.680 --> 0:37:52.680
<v Speaker 2>the former home.

0:37:52.480 --> 0:37:54.560
<v Speaker 3>Of Daisy Suckley, not Daisy.

0:37:55.160 --> 0:37:58.680
<v Speaker 2>You know who she is, distant cousin and close companion

0:37:58.760 --> 0:37:59.960
<v Speaker 2>of Franklin Delano Rose.

0:38:03.440 --> 0:38:03.719
<v Speaker 4>I did.

0:38:04.120 --> 0:38:06.000
<v Speaker 2>I could throw on any name. Oh yes, of course.

0:38:06.040 --> 0:38:08.319
<v Speaker 2>And then you tell me I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you,

0:38:10.400 --> 0:38:13.040
<v Speaker 2>and not believe that you don't know. Okay, I'm so excited.

0:38:13.080 --> 0:38:13.640
<v Speaker 2>I got one over.

0:38:13.760 --> 0:38:15.840
<v Speaker 3>I need to work on a peerage of American royalty.

0:38:15.960 --> 0:38:18.160
<v Speaker 2>Well, so at this place, at the old Suckley House,

0:38:18.960 --> 0:38:22.520
<v Speaker 2>the only thing stolen there with silver. So both of

0:38:22.560 --> 0:38:25.520
<v Speaker 2>these meticulous heists same night. It gets reported on in

0:38:25.520 --> 0:38:28.720
<v Speaker 2>the New York Times. After, you know, reading this article

0:38:28.760 --> 0:38:32.880
<v Speaker 2>about the double heist, Aberusini he calls the Rhinebeck Police,

0:38:33.200 --> 0:38:36.360
<v Speaker 2>tells the trooper handling the case, quote, I know the

0:38:36.400 --> 0:38:39.280
<v Speaker 2>guy who's doing your burglaries. It's like watching the same

0:38:39.320 --> 0:38:42.799
<v Speaker 2>bad movie again and again, so which it must be.

0:38:42.880 --> 0:38:46.000
<v Speaker 2>You're like, oh my god, he's striking everywhere. So Abersini

0:38:46.080 --> 0:38:49.279
<v Speaker 2>gives them Nordal's name and his aliases David Price and

0:38:49.440 --> 0:38:54.680
<v Speaker 2>Robert Damiani. Abersini told this this cop check the local

0:38:54.719 --> 0:38:58.240
<v Speaker 2>motels under all three names. So he's calling. He's calling.

0:38:58.600 --> 0:39:02.000
<v Speaker 2>On the tenth try. He calls a super eight, several

0:39:02.040 --> 0:39:04.520
<v Speaker 2>miles south of Rightbeck, which because I think he had

0:39:04.520 --> 0:39:06.720
<v Speaker 2>like a customer loyalty card to the superint hotels.

0:39:06.760 --> 0:39:08.399
<v Speaker 3>It's going to be near the freeway, you know that.

0:39:08.560 --> 0:39:11.120
<v Speaker 2>He finds out a man named David Price had paid

0:39:11.160 --> 0:39:14.560
<v Speaker 2>cash for this room, and the clerk when he checks

0:39:14.600 --> 0:39:17.800
<v Speaker 2>him in, writes down his car information, like the license

0:39:17.800 --> 0:39:21.040
<v Speaker 2>plate for this Cadillac Civilli's driving, makes a photocopy of

0:39:21.080 --> 0:39:23.399
<v Speaker 2>the driver's license. So the cops they race down there.

0:39:23.920 --> 0:39:26.480
<v Speaker 2>The photo on the license is Blane, but it says

0:39:26.560 --> 0:39:29.279
<v Speaker 2>David Price, and then they find out he'd checked out

0:39:29.280 --> 0:39:32.360
<v Speaker 2>more than a week earlier. So so much for that.

0:39:32.960 --> 0:39:35.520
<v Speaker 2>February of two thousand and two, the US Marshals they

0:39:35.560 --> 0:39:40.040
<v Speaker 2>captured him outside of Duncan Donuts. Oh, Laurel, he was

0:39:40.120 --> 0:39:41.439
<v Speaker 2>driving a green Cadillacsiville.

0:39:41.560 --> 0:39:43.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you may be on the lamb, but Duncan called.

0:39:43.400 --> 0:39:47.200
<v Speaker 2>Duncan exactly off. He went to federal prison in Elkton, Ohio.

0:39:47.320 --> 0:39:50.160
<v Speaker 2>He was released in November of twenty ten, and he

0:39:50.280 --> 0:39:53.720
<v Speaker 2>ran a pool service with his girlfriend, Elizabeth Irene Music.

0:39:54.200 --> 0:39:54.920
<v Speaker 3>That's a cool name.

0:39:55.000 --> 0:39:56.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it is a cool name. So he stayed on

0:39:57.000 --> 0:39:59.560
<v Speaker 2>the straight and narrow cleaning pools and like reading to

0:39:59.719 --> 0:40:05.520
<v Speaker 2>orphan rescue dogs. No, no, he did not. August twenty sixth,

0:40:05.560 --> 0:40:08.520
<v Speaker 2>twenty thirteen, he was arrested again, right back at him,

0:40:08.560 --> 0:40:10.640
<v Speaker 2>right now, Blane's fifty one now.

0:40:10.600 --> 0:40:12.120
<v Speaker 3>Way, Well, you know, you got to do what you

0:40:12.320 --> 0:40:14.399
<v Speaker 3>know how to do, and if you do what you love,

0:40:14.440 --> 0:40:15.400
<v Speaker 3>you never work a day in your life.

0:40:15.440 --> 0:40:17.360
<v Speaker 2>Well, and at this point he'd reached it where he was.

0:40:17.440 --> 0:40:21.080
<v Speaker 2>Now he gets arrested because he's responsible for millions of

0:40:21.080 --> 0:40:23.960
<v Speaker 2>dollars worth of silver being stolen from homes in Athens,

0:40:24.040 --> 0:40:26.200
<v Speaker 2>Georgia and all over the southeast.

0:40:26.320 --> 0:40:28.960
<v Speaker 3>He needed to get high, Elizabeth, he really did, I

0:40:29.040 --> 0:40:29.560
<v Speaker 3>want to tell you.

0:40:29.840 --> 0:40:32.360
<v Speaker 2>So see nord Doll's probation.

0:40:32.200 --> 0:40:34.400
<v Speaker 3>Athens, Georgia like a college town looking for old silver.

0:40:34.480 --> 0:40:36.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh, he's going to all sorts of plantations.

0:40:36.680 --> 0:40:37.600
<v Speaker 3>Like Savannah for that.

0:40:37.719 --> 0:40:40.200
<v Speaker 2>Oh he did, He had all of it. So his

0:40:40.239 --> 0:40:43.560
<v Speaker 2>probation was transferred to Florida when he moved to Jacksonville,

0:40:43.600 --> 0:40:45.800
<v Speaker 2>and that was his new base of operations, and he

0:40:45.840 --> 0:40:48.200
<v Speaker 2>would travel from there across state lines, but not so

0:40:48.320 --> 0:40:51.200
<v Speaker 2>far away that he'd be missed by probation. Oh smart,

0:40:51.560 --> 0:40:54.800
<v Speaker 2>So they figured that he was responsible for over seventy

0:40:55.040 --> 0:40:59.520
<v Speaker 2>burglaries that took place throughout twenty thirteen Georgia, North Carolina,

0:40:59.560 --> 0:41:03.800
<v Speaker 2>South Carol Line, Alabama, Kentucky, Tennessee. He hit Athens alone

0:41:03.920 --> 0:41:06.840
<v Speaker 2>three times and lifted like thirty thousand dollars in silver.

0:41:07.239 --> 0:41:11.920
<v Speaker 2>Damn Buckhead. Atlanta was hit pretty hard. Yeah, So in

0:41:11.960 --> 0:41:15.560
<v Speaker 2>Atlanta detective he put together a task force. Blaine Nordal,

0:41:15.640 --> 0:41:19.200
<v Speaker 2>the man who launched a million task forces. Blaine hit

0:41:19.280 --> 0:41:23.640
<v Speaker 2>the Cullini plantation in Davy's County, North Carolina, and it

0:41:23.719 --> 0:41:26.279
<v Speaker 2>was there that he lifted one hundred and forty eight

0:41:26.360 --> 0:41:29.880
<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars of sterling silver, as well as priceless spoons

0:41:29.880 --> 0:41:32.400
<v Speaker 2>made by Paul Revere Wow, and a tea set that

0:41:32.440 --> 0:41:34.440
<v Speaker 2>had been saved by a slave who buried it when

0:41:34.520 --> 0:41:35.600
<v Speaker 2>Union soldiers moved through.

0:41:36.080 --> 0:41:38.520
<v Speaker 3>Damn yeah, they maked it.

0:41:39.680 --> 0:41:42.320
<v Speaker 2>He is back on his bs.

0:41:42.600 --> 0:41:42.719
<v Speaker 4>So.

0:41:43.160 --> 0:41:46.279
<v Speaker 2>Another burglary victim said that he and his wife didn't

0:41:46.320 --> 0:41:49.040
<v Speaker 2>realize their stuff was missing for a few days. Quote.

0:41:49.520 --> 0:41:51.680
<v Speaker 2>My wife went into the dining room to straighten up

0:41:51.680 --> 0:41:53.560
<v Speaker 2>before we had guests over, and she called out that

0:41:53.600 --> 0:41:56.759
<v Speaker 2>there's glass missing from the window. Oh yeah, and then now,

0:41:57.120 --> 0:41:58.760
<v Speaker 2>how are you going to entertain you have no silver.

0:41:59.640 --> 0:42:02.120
<v Speaker 2>They know that a drawer was missing from the sideboard.

0:42:02.640 --> 0:42:06.080
<v Speaker 2>He'd used the entire drawer and they punch bowl as

0:42:06.200 --> 0:42:10.960
<v Speaker 2>vessels for two sets of sterling silver, flatware, a dematas set, balls, saucers,

0:42:11.040 --> 0:42:14.440
<v Speaker 2>other assorted sterling silver and mint julip cups.

0:42:14.719 --> 0:42:16.880
<v Speaker 3>Do you think he was having this stuff melted down?

0:42:17.200 --> 0:42:21.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, because and he had a fence, and

0:42:21.200 --> 0:42:22.360
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if he was selling it to the

0:42:22.400 --> 0:42:24.200
<v Speaker 2>fence for weight of silver. Yeah.

0:42:24.239 --> 0:42:25.759
<v Speaker 3>I would hope that for way of silver, because otherwise

0:42:25.800 --> 0:42:27.360
<v Speaker 3>it's going to be pretty easy to find that stuff

0:42:27.360 --> 0:42:28.279
<v Speaker 3>and then connect like.

0:42:28.719 --> 0:42:29.400
<v Speaker 2>It's not melted.

0:42:29.719 --> 0:42:31.160
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I don't mean that way. I mean like

0:42:31.600 --> 0:42:33.759
<v Speaker 3>if I was like the fence, I'm like sitting there

0:42:33.760 --> 0:42:35.279
<v Speaker 3>talking to the fence, and I'm like, hey, we got

0:42:35.280 --> 0:42:36.920
<v Speaker 3>to melt this down, illig you canna get caught in

0:42:37.080 --> 0:42:38.480
<v Speaker 3>that way. I'm hoping they're doing it.

0:42:38.560 --> 0:42:42.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, seventeen, it all came crashing down.

0:42:42.280 --> 0:42:43.240
<v Speaker 4>Oh.

0:42:43.320 --> 0:42:46.560
<v Speaker 2>Five years prior, Blaine had broken into the home of

0:42:46.640 --> 0:42:49.479
<v Speaker 2>Bill Jones, the third in a gated community on Saint

0:42:49.520 --> 0:42:50.320
<v Speaker 2>Simon's Island.

0:42:50.640 --> 0:42:52.920
<v Speaker 3>Oh Saint Simon's. Oh yeah, you're not going to get

0:42:53.000 --> 0:42:56.440
<v Speaker 3>who is build the third son of the golfer, grandson

0:42:56.480 --> 0:42:56.799
<v Speaker 3>the golf.

0:42:56.800 --> 0:42:58.759
<v Speaker 2>Now, let me read to you from his profile in

0:42:58.920 --> 0:42:59.960
<v Speaker 2>Cigar Offiicionaudo.

0:43:00.239 --> 0:43:02.399
<v Speaker 3>Okay quote his name.

0:43:02.560 --> 0:43:05.239
<v Speaker 2>His real name is A. W. Jones, the Third, but

0:43:05.280 --> 0:43:08.000
<v Speaker 2>most friends and family in Sea Island, Georgia referred to

0:43:08.080 --> 0:43:11.480
<v Speaker 2>him as Bill three. He's the fourth generation chairman and

0:43:11.560 --> 0:43:15.080
<v Speaker 2>chief executive officer of the Sea Island Company, the proprietor

0:43:15.080 --> 0:43:17.520
<v Speaker 2>of one of the world's largest and finest golf resorts,

0:43:17.680 --> 0:43:20.720
<v Speaker 2>and the scion of an empire that encompasses sixty five

0:43:20.840 --> 0:43:24.480
<v Speaker 2>thousand acres of prime low country coastal property, which he

0:43:24.520 --> 0:43:27.520
<v Speaker 2>is continually developing and upgrading through both good and bad

0:43:27.600 --> 0:43:30.760
<v Speaker 2>economic times, and enjoying the best that a cigar world

0:43:30.800 --> 0:43:31.440
<v Speaker 2>has to offer.

0:43:32.600 --> 0:43:34.480
<v Speaker 3>To Bobby Johnes, I'm not done, Sarah.

0:43:35.280 --> 0:43:38.640
<v Speaker 2>I like a strong, powerful cigar that's rich in flavors,

0:43:38.680 --> 0:43:41.800
<v Speaker 2>Bill three allows during a recent interview as he fires

0:43:41.880 --> 0:43:45.759
<v Speaker 2>up Adente Opus X double Corona. I smoke two or

0:43:45.760 --> 0:43:48.719
<v Speaker 2>three cigars a day, and I find it very relaxing activity.

0:43:48.920 --> 0:43:51.800
<v Speaker 2>That's a great compliment to the things I enjoy doing outdoors.

0:43:53.320 --> 0:43:57.120
<v Speaker 2>We get hit, we get we get Bill. So the

0:43:57.280 --> 0:44:00.520
<v Speaker 2>article describes him with like these beautiful turns of phrases.

0:44:00.600 --> 0:44:06.040
<v Speaker 2>Quote his sunburned complexion, smooth as sea island cotton. What

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<v Speaker 2>and quote he owns well over four hundred Turkey calls

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<v Speaker 2>handmade by the late Neil cost whom he calls the

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<v Speaker 2>Stratavarius of Turkey. Calls his Robin's big blue eyes flicker

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<v Speaker 2>with delight as he boasts of shedding thirty five pounds

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<v Speaker 2>from his five foot nine inch frame. Like make it stop.

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<v Speaker 2>I could not sleep.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to hear them describe what former Speaker

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<v Speaker 3>John Bayner looks like.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh God, the most beautiful piece.

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<v Speaker 3>Of tobacco or a wine stain left in the sun anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty seventeen, FBI agents intercepted a FedEx shipment that had

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<v Speaker 2>a silver charm bracelet in it that you know Bill three?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it Bill Bob whatever?

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<v Speaker 4>Bill?

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<v Speaker 2>Bill three and his wife they could identify it. So Blaine,

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<v Speaker 2>He's now fifty five years old. He pleads guilty to

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<v Speaker 2>a charge of burglary in the first degree. Court Judge

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<v Speaker 2>Anthony Harrison, I tell you that name because it's not important.

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<v Speaker 2>Sentence nordaal To eleven years in prison and nine years

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<v Speaker 2>probation as a repeat offender under the state recidivist statute.

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<v Speaker 2>He was also he was up against like a possible

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<v Speaker 2>life sentence in South Carolina because I guess they go

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<v Speaker 2>hard on burglary South Carolina. Yeah, Detective Mason told the

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<v Speaker 2>New Yorker quote, I said, Blaine, if you ever want

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<v Speaker 2>to use your knowledge in a positive way, I'd work

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<v Speaker 2>with you. You could work in the insurance industry, in

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<v Speaker 2>the area of silver. You could work with alarm systems.

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<v Speaker 2>If you want to team up, go into a business.

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<v Speaker 2>We could turn this into a crime prevention program. What

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<v Speaker 2>did he say, I asked. He said, I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't like work. Yeah, you'd probably tell from my

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<v Speaker 3>career as a criminal.

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<v Speaker 2>He is thought to have stolen at least ten million

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<v Speaker 2>dollars worth of silver in over fifteen states in his career.

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<v Speaker 3>Damn, they had a silver of old families that he

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<v Speaker 3>has touched.

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<v Speaker 2>I know. Is that your takeaway?

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<v Speaker 3>Ridiculous takeaway?

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<v Speaker 2>What's your ridiculous takeaway?

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<v Speaker 3>You should have go flatwear? Yeah, because that's class. Make

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<v Speaker 3>it real. I like, I like electrically conductive flatware. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>otherwise I'm like, am I gonna get shocked.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on, if I'm going to stick this into an outlet,

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<v Speaker 2>let's make it worth it.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, like give me a spark, or what are

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<v Speaker 3>we doing here now? But for all intense and purposes,

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<v Speaker 3>what would you say is your ridiculous take away? Elizabeth

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<v Speaker 3>got that table turner?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh how the turntables turn my takeaway? I you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I've been thinking a lot before we even got the

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<v Speaker 2>email from the listener. I've been thinking a lot about

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<v Speaker 2>the personal violation of it. Yes, because we had we

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<v Speaker 2>had some silver stolen in our family and it was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, there's a part of me that's like

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<v Speaker 2>it's just stuff, but at the same time, like it

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<v Speaker 2>holds a lot of meaning to a family when it's

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<v Speaker 2>like it wasn't like oh this opulent thing. These are

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<v Speaker 2>like working class people who'd saved up and passed it

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<v Speaker 2>down from generations.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't want to be ablee to lose it for

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<v Speaker 3>all these generations of them people trying to hold it.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't want to be like, oh, yeah, like this

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<v Speaker 2>survived all these other things. And so I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's interesting about the violation of it. And what's even

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<v Speaker 2>more interesting is this guy's addiction to it, and he's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of getting high off the violation of it, which.

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<v Speaker 3>Is just do you think?

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<v Speaker 2>So, I don't know, I actually guess he said that, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>ex girlfriends.

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<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't have put in the terms of violation, but

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<v Speaker 3>now that you you do. But he really did. He

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<v Speaker 3>said he liked to be in the house with the

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<v Speaker 3>people while are sleeping, which is very much a violation

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<v Speaker 3>of their sense of peace and privacy and so forth.

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<v Speaker 2>So, I mean, I wish there was a party that

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<v Speaker 2>could be honestly like, oh, it's just stuff. Who cares?

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<v Speaker 2>But it does. There's you know, there's sentimental things, and

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<v Speaker 2>then they are also just logistical issues when people steal

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<v Speaker 2>stuff like that. So what I'm trying to say is

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<v Speaker 2>they're all dusty bumbs, not like bums is and unhoused.

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<v Speaker 2>But yes, you know, it's just such bum dusty behavior

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<v Speaker 2>to esty behavior. So anyway, what's your ridiculous takeaway?

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<v Speaker 3>Did you tell me the same one what you had?

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<v Speaker 3>What you said, Yeah, that was mine. I'm just going

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<v Speaker 3>to say it a little bit louder.

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