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Speaker 1: Ridiculous crime is a production of iHeartRadio staring.

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Speaker 2: You know it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Oh hey, what's up? It's me.

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Speaker 2: You know what's ridiculous. Yes, deals, deals.

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Speaker 3: Yes, we're so bad at spotting them. Okay, I'm bad

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Speaker 3: at spotting them, but you know, like I'll give you

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Speaker 3: a for instance, pizza deals. Yeah, okay, what's a better deal?

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Speaker 3: One eighteen inch pizza or two twelve inch pizzas' eighteen inch?

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Speaker 2: You know, if people do.

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Speaker 3: Math, I know one of them, So I'll do the

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Speaker 3: math for you. So the diameter is twelve inches on

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Speaker 3: your pizza, right, okay, So then that means you have

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Speaker 3: an area inside the pizza of one hundred and thirteen

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Speaker 3: square inches. Okay, so that now double that?

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Speaker 2: Uh huh twenty six Boh, there you go, So.

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Speaker 3: You can do math. Now, if your pizza is eighteen

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Speaker 3: inches the diameter, then the area is two hundred and

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Speaker 3: fifty four seven square inches. So you get more pizza

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Speaker 3: from one eight eighteen inch er than two of the

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Speaker 3: smaller pizzas. That's why they give you the two medium

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Speaker 3: pizza deals. Oh wow or whatever?

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: You know, the thing is, you get two pizzas. You

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Speaker 2: can have different topics and then more people are happy.

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Speaker 2: I just want everyone to be happy.

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Speaker 3: I just want more pizza.

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Speaker 2: That's true. Now I want pizza.

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Speaker 3: Isn't that ridiculous? Though?

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Speaker 2: Math? Math is ridiculous see.

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Speaker 3: Math exactly and our inability to do it on the fly.

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Speaker 2: Gosh, I'm really proud of myself for double good.

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Speaker 3: We're thirteen way to go good for me.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what else is ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: Nope?

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Speaker 2: Silver sing Blue Silver. This is Ridiculous Crime A podcast

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Speaker 2: about absurd and outrageous capers, heists, and cons. It's always

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Speaker 2: ninety nine percent murder free and one hundred percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: So true that, uh you know that song. Mama tried, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Merle Merle Haggard Bakersfield own.

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Speaker 2: Mama tried to raise me better, but her pleading I denied.

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Speaker 2: That leaves me only to blame because mama tried.

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Speaker 3: Mamma tried, Mamma tried.

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Speaker 2: It has to be hard for mamas who try.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, ask mine, like.

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Speaker 2: They try and the kids still go bad?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, Yes, ask mine.

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Speaker 2: Sharon Fitzsimmons was one of those. She said of her son, quote,

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Speaker 2: he's not a completely bad person. He's a very likable person.

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Speaker 2: I think his big problem was intelligence and no common sense.

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Speaker 3: That can be a problem.

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Speaker 2: I just wish this would all come to an end.

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Speaker 2: The last time I talked to him about what he

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Speaker 2: was doing, this was a few years back. His response

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Speaker 2: was that it's an excitement thing. He said. He got bored.

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Speaker 2: So I said, well, why don't you take up skydiving?

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Speaker 2: I said, we're not wealthy people, but we'll back you up.

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Speaker 2: We'll support you morally, We'll be there for you.

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Speaker 3: I don't believe skydiving is a cheap hobby.

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Speaker 2: No, we're not wealthy, but will do what we.

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Speaker 3: Can to support your or.

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Speaker 2: Your skydiving habit. And who is this guy? I could

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Speaker 2: have taken up skydiving to save his mama the stress.

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Speaker 2: A man named Blaine Nordall.

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Speaker 3: Not Blaine Nordall, not the Blaine Nordal.

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Speaker 2: Blaine. He came from a good, hard working fan His

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Speaker 2: dad was actually an artist, like a really well regarded one.

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Speaker 2: It's not an art crime today though. His dad painted

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Speaker 2: realist paintings of apache life. And one day Michael Jackson

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Speaker 2: was in Steven Spielberg's office and saw one of those paintings,

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Speaker 2: Blaine Senior and Michael Jackson bonded over their traumatic childhoods.

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Speaker 2: This is what Blaine Senior said, quote, I grew up

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Speaker 2: no playtime growing up. We were both fanatical about work,

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Speaker 2: His father said, quote, he could have been anything he

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Speaker 3: Oh, Blaine nord All not a proper citizen.

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Speaker 2: He got busted for the first time when he was sixteen.

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Speaker 2: He stole from a store, had to pay it all back.

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Speaker 3: So they wanted him.

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Speaker 2: They wanted farms. So he joined in the Navy in

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Speaker 2: He got Sailor of the Month, which for some reason

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Speaker 2: is absolutely hilarious to me under like on the plaque

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Speaker 3: Oh you know, was he too tall?

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Speaker 2: Well, so much for that. No, he had no work ethics.

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Speaker 2: So when he was just twenty one years old in

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Speaker 2: nineteen eighty three, he stole sixteen hundred dollars worth of

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Speaker 2: So the homeowner he hears like this commotion because his

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Speaker 2: dog Saki alerted him. Let's hear it for sake.

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Speaker 3: Let's hear it for sake.

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Speaker 2: There's no mention in the newspaper articles of the time

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Speaker 2: disclosed your eyes. Okay, that's Saki. So Nordall he stole quote,

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Speaker 2: Homeowner he confronts Nordall on his way out and they tussled.

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Speaker 3: They got oh it, well really prided him, not like

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Speaker 2: Somebody excuse me that'. And then Nordle's like he and

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Speaker 2: gets away. He's younger, and yeah, this is such a

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Speaker 3: I think we often like have to parse this line

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Speaker 2: There's physical hurt and then.

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Speaker 3: Exactly and also I don't want the violation of like

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Speaker 3: you know, if you're going to break into a store

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Speaker 3: them or like, that's not what I'm going to excuse.

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Speaker 3: It's like that's fun crime.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever had your home broken into?

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Speaker 3: Uh, not that I'm aware of. No. I've had stuff

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Speaker 3: I've had nineteen bikes stolen from me. It's god, nineteen.

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Speaker 2: It's terrible, Like it's it's a violation, and like it's interesting.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about this because I was working on this

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Speaker 2: outline today and then I got forward in an email

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Speaker 2: from a listener named Hondo who had just had his

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Speaker 2: home broken into. They trashed the place. They took a

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Speaker 2: just wanted to vent, but he said it changed his

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Speaker 2: mind about nonviolent crimes, like they're just not funny anymore.

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Speaker 2: I agree. I don't. I don't want anyone to be

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Speaker 2: just their personal stuff and the circumstances can be ridiculous,

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Speaker 2: but it's still a crime. It's like a violation of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, robbing a museum is different than robbing a person's.

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Speaker 2: House, right, So I just want to say, we don't

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Speaker 3: No, I don't endorse it, and we.

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Speaker 2: Feel terrible for Hondo. We do big up yeah, and

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Speaker 2: everyone else who's had some dusty clowns break in and

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Speaker 3: It's horrible. It feels terrible, and we would never make jokes.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, Blaine talk about that guy. This wasn't his

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Speaker 2: first job in the neighborhood. That night, though, the cops

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Speaker 2: they had the jacket, the literal bloodhounds. They had the jacket.

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Speaker 2: They're like, give this a huff and then go get them.

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Speaker 3: Get them.

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Speaker 2: For three hours, they searched for him with dogs, with

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Speaker 2: meant that they could charge him with, you know, all

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Speaker 2: these other crimes. And they did. They caught him. They

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Speaker 2: he said, quote, he hit us a number of times.

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Speaker 2: He's the reason a wealthy older lady living here doesn't

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Speaker 3: I'm not in the Navy anymore.

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Speaker 2: It's like remember them the Navy, in.

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Speaker 3: The Navy, not anymore. I was in the Navy.

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Speaker 2: I hit the door before he could be tried. Though.

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Speaker 2: He got busted in New York and he racked up

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go.

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Speaker 2: So what's your ridiculous take away? So he got out

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Speaker 2: in the early nineties, but then he went straight the end,

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Speaker 2: So what's your ridiculous again? He did get out in

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Speaker 2: the early nineties, but he went back to criming almost immediately.

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Speaker 2: Nineteen ninety one, Detective Lonnie.

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Speaker 3: Mason got so common.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was wearing a floppy hat and a turtleneck.

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Speaker 2: He said, he do so Mason was just driving me us,

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Speaker 2: I can't believe I didn't pick up on that. Mason

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Speaker 2: was an investigator for New Jersey's Monmouth County Prosecutors. He

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Speaker 2: busted Nordall twice and he knew more about him than

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Speaker 2: cops in RUMs in New Jersey. They wanted his help

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Speaker 2: in nabbing Blaine after a bunch of silver related burglaries

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Speaker 2: his work. So Mason he looks at the notes, he

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Speaker 2: realizes that all the burglaries happened on a Thursday night,

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Speaker 2: so he decided to go all out. They gave him

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Speaker 3: Someone's not watching friends, there's.

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Speaker 2: Not mustse TV for them, and they set up an

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Speaker 2: Nothing happened, no burglaries. Mason later said, quote, I thought,

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Speaker 2: So he did eventually get caught for those and others.

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Speaker 2: In February of nineteen ninety two, he got locked up

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Speaker 2: So he stole about two hundred and fifty thousand dollars

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Speaker 2: stole silver. That was it.

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Speaker 3: That's his thing.

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Speaker 2: That was it.

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Speaker 2: So he then worked his way from New Jersey in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, real silver, you think of silver?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah. He started like hitting all it's in a case.

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Speaker 2: Rose Pointe, Michigan, Kennebunkport, Mainecastle, Delaware, Winnett, Illinois. I did,

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Speaker 3: Because he's always taking silver?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 3: And is that it? Seriously?

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Speaker 3: That's a hell of a crime kit.

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Speaker 2: It's a good one. So he climbed power poles and

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Speaker 3: Oh this a little very important.

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Speaker 2: So it was easy for him to get into tight spaces. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: He never set off sensors because no doors or windows

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Speaker 2: some of those neighborhoods. So they'd give him all this information,

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Speaker 2: He'd go back to his motel, he'd take a nap,

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Speaker 2: God bless, he'd have dinner people people, He'd have dinner,

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Speaker 3: With the dinner set gang. Yeah. So I mean, if

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and like you don't want to won't see a

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Speaker 3: People, People don't expect it right the way.

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Speaker 2: So once he's in, he went only for silver. Like

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Speaker 2: it's less likely to wake up the owner's upstairs. He'd

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Speaker 3: Everything is the noise of that much matters, like he's

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Speaker 2: With I'm guessing, And so then he'd take it all outside.

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Speaker 2: Once he got outside, then he'd soar through the items.

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Speaker 2: That's when it would get noisy. And he brought a

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Speaker 2: test kit so he'd figure out is that silver is

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Speaker 2: silver plated, And he'd only take the very best pieces,

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Speaker 2: and I guess he just left the rest in the yard.

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Speaker 2: He would leave the table cloth or the dresser drawer

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Speaker 2: or whatever behind. A sneaker imprint was found on the

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Speaker 2: his arrest in jail in nineteen ninety.

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Speaker 3: Two off a sneaker print one.

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Speaker 2: So he started throwing away his shoes, all his clothing,

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Speaker 3: The other thing is is you buy your clothing at

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Speaker 3: a good will so that there's no ability to trace

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good point or any kind of like DNA.

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Speaker 3: Well anywhere. Yeah, but they wouldn't be able to say,

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Speaker 3: like your yeah, your shoes. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So why silver?

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Speaker 3: Why silver, Elizabeth?

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Speaker 2: Thank you? Stephen Dubner of Navinnie Yorker wrote. Quote. Mason

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Speaker 2: argues that silver was particularly appealing to Nordal because it

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Speaker 2: distinctly unlike Nordal's own. As Mason sees it, Nordal remained

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Speaker 2: embittered by his parents' divorce. He resented his father and

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Speaker 2: became extraordinarily close to his mother. When Mason got ahold

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Speaker 2: Mason believes than stealing a rich man's silver and turning

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Speaker 2: it into cash that he would shower on his mother, who,

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Speaker 2: while unhappy about her son's calling, appreciated his devotion.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry I had to steal your silver, but I

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Speaker 3: hate my dad. Yeah, basically, that's cool. That's an interesting one.

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Speaker 2: If I was told that to my face, I'd be like,

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Speaker 2: it's an interesting like psychological analysis.

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Speaker 3: And wanting to send the money whatever to his mother,

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Speaker 3: or like get over on. That's just a very interesting complex.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's not like the dusty clown behavior of

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Speaker 3: It's not also like lack of impulse control. It's like

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Speaker 2: So during one job, he left behind like one thousand

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Speaker 2: dollars in cash that had been sitting on a dining

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Speaker 2: on their dining room table? Not I you don't, said

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Speaker 3: That's how I know it's my dining room table. It's

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Speaker 3: got the thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: As it comes in, like the cop comes in, he

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Speaker 2: sees it and he's like he's taunting us. This is

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Speaker 2: he's just doing that so the cops they keep on

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Speaker 2: this trail. He was the prime suspect of the May

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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety six theft of one hundred and fifty one

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Speaker 2: thousand dollars worth of salt and pepper shakers. Huh silver ones. Yes,

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Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty dollars tiffany strawberry box, a ninety

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Speaker 2: dollars limoge garlic box, a ninety dollars limoge chestnut box.

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Speaker 3: Now, when you're saying these boxes is just like a

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Speaker 3: box for my strawberries, a box for my garlic.

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Speaker 2: I'm about to tell you a one hundred and twenty

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Speaker 2: five dollars limoje artichoke heart box from Ivana Trump's place

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Speaker 3: What this is?

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Speaker 2: What a limoje box lit.

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Speaker 3: The one on the left.

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Speaker 2: So basically they're small hinged porcelain trinkets, little boxes made

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Speaker 2: in limoje. Friends, they're big, Yeah, they're super fanciful, particularly

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Speaker 2: the fruit and vegetable ones. This is like something you'd

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Speaker 2: get at gumps in the city in San Francis. Yes,

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Speaker 2: so you wonder did Blaine give these to someone?

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Speaker 3: Elizabeth. Did Blaine give these to outside.

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Speaker 2: The Silver Uvra?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Well, Nordal had an on off again girlfriend named Luanne,

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Speaker 2: like Zaren's favorite comic strip. Of course, this again off

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Speaker 2: again girlfriend's a fun girl.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I I.

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Speaker 2: Don't think he gave her the Limoje boxes, but it

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Speaker 2: was a really great segue for me to get you

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Speaker 2: to Luanne. So Luanne's girlfriend, but she also became an

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Speaker 2: how did Mason flip Luwan?

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Speaker 3: How did Mason flipped Elizabeth? Break?

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Speaker 2: Let's take a break, we come back. I'm going to

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Speaker 2: tell you how Mason flipped lu Wan. Welcome Blaine, nordle

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Speaker 2: Red White and Blaine. That's a special shout out for

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Speaker 2: old Phineas Gage. So I was telling you about how Detective.

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Speaker 3: Lonnie Mason Common detective Common wo he loves hip hop,

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Speaker 3: does the hip and the loves.

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Speaker 2: Him Mammoth County Prosecutors Office. He convinced Blaine's girlfriend Luanne

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Speaker 2: to become an informant. Luan was a troubled she had

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Speaker 2: a heroin habit we should not be laughing about. But

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Speaker 2: it's very bad. That's a bad thing.

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Speaker 3: It's not just unfortunate thing.

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Speaker 2: It's also kind of interesting seeing as how Blaine Nordal

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Speaker 2: didn't do drugs Like he didn't. He didn't.

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Speaker 3: You don't usually hear about people being in a relationship

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Speaker 2: It wasn't even that he didn't do drugs. He didn't drink,

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Speaker 3: Wow. Yeah, So and is this all like some moral

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Speaker 2: It was just like his thing. His addiction was stealing things.

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Speaker 3: I get that.

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Speaker 2: A former girlfriend of his said he was obsessed with

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Speaker 2: stealing every night and then quote he got high off it.

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Speaker 2: He liked going into houses when people were sleeping. He

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Speaker 2: says it's more exciting to go into a house when

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Speaker 2: his high. Yeah. So Luann like she's having a rough

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Speaker 2: one anyways.

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Speaker 3: Like I don't do drugs, I do crime.

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Speaker 2: Basically crime in my drugs. Mason put a bug in

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Speaker 2: Luand's ear that he could help her. Now it was

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Speaker 2: telling you about it, Zarin close eye. Oh yeah, I

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Speaker 2: want you to picture it. It's nineteen ninety six, you're

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 2: That doesn't have anything to do with anything. I just

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Speaker 2: Doesn't have anything. I just thought that'd be fun. So

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Speaker 2: about a week ago, you heard that someone broke into

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Speaker 2: And this morning you were told that Blaine Nordall's girlfriend

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Speaker 2: special task force trying to catch this guy. Word is

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Speaker 2: Nordal is hold up at the Super eight in Stamford.

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Speaker 2: It's now eleven thirty at night. You and the other

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Speaker 2: Samela's barbershop next door. I should mention that Samela's has

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00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:02,640
Speaker 2: a one star operating with the only review being quote

438
00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,159
Speaker 2: by chance. I saw this barber and decided that I

439
00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,520
Speaker 2: really needed a shave. What a mistake. I suffered three

440
00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,280
Speaker 2: cuts to the neck and face. FYI, it's just off

441
00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,400
Speaker 2: Exit six in Stamford. Be afraid, be very afraid.

442
00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:15,520
Speaker 3: That's the only review.

443
00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,439
Speaker 2: That's the only review. So a cruiser is parked at

444
00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,399
Speaker 2: the shell station on the corner. Another unmarked car is

445
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:24,359
Speaker 2: in the Super eight motel lot, waiting to give the

446
00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:27,200
Speaker 2: signal that Blaine and the Wan have been spotted. You

447
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,320
Speaker 2: hear the Connecticut Turnpike, a block away, quiet buzz of

448
00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,680
Speaker 2: traffic this time of night, big rigs humbi in the distance,

449
00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 2: but the air around you is filled with the sound

450
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:39,680
Speaker 2: of your police radio and cicadas. You have one job

451
00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,920
Speaker 2: for tonight, and it's a dramatic one. Your radio crackles

452
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,480
Speaker 2: to life, and the announcement that Nordal has been spotted.

453
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,600
Speaker 2: I repeat, Blaine is on the move. He and Luan

454
00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,920
Speaker 2: appear to be packing their car. Move, Move, Move. Your

455
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,200
Speaker 2: partner hits the gas and squeals out of the parking

456
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,439
Speaker 2: lot with a little too much gusto. Settle down, you

457
00:21:56,440 --> 00:22:01,040
Speaker 2: tell him, tranquilo compadre. You do your job. You're one job.

458
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,520
Speaker 2: You dial a number on your cell phone, You say

459
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 2: you there into the line, You get a yes. Hold on.

460
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,320
Speaker 2: You tell the person on the line, you and all

461
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,119
Speaker 2: the other Greenwich police officers with a few Stanford guys

462
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 2: thrown in as a courtesy approach. Blaine and Luanne. You

463
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:19,120
Speaker 2: step forward dramatically. You hand Luann your cell phone. It's

464
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 2: Lonnie Mason on the other end. Common Luanne, you have

465
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,120
Speaker 2: two choices here. Mason tells her, you can either stay

466
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 2: on tour with Blaine and get indicted down the road,

467
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,919
Speaker 2: or you can go with these cops and cooperate. You

468
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,359
Speaker 2: know that Mason knows that Luanne has a ten year

469
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 2: old son back in New Jersey. Oh, Mason tells Luann

470
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 2: to think about him, not nor at all. Luanne starts

471
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 2: crying and hangs up the phone. She turns and gets

472
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,679
Speaker 2: in the police car. What are you doing, nord All yells.

473
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:47,679
Speaker 2: He tells her that she'll be in trouble without him

474
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:51,199
Speaker 2: since he has her heroin. Whoa, whoa? You did not

475
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 2: know about that part. I'll get it from the police.

476
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 2: Luan says, Oh wow, there's a lot happening happening. There's

477
00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,399
Speaker 2: so much happening. You really want to ask her what

478
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,160
Speaker 2: her sign is, to try and figure out the whole

479
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:01,720
Speaker 2: energy here.

480
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 3: I have a good guest, though, She shuts the.

481
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,639
Speaker 2: Car door, gets in the in the squad car. You're like,

482
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 2: I kind of need my phone back too, is what

483
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 2: you're thinking. But Luanne is lost in her thoughts. You'll

484
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 2: get it back later. So now Mason has Luanne on

485
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,159
Speaker 2: his side, but he needed to lock that in and

486
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:18,440
Speaker 2: get her to agree to testify.

487
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 3: This is like the movie Heat.

488
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:23,680
Speaker 2: It's so amazing. So is so she started to talk

489
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 2: One night after Mason drove to her house and showed

490
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 2: a photo to her. It had been in Blaine's possession

491
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 2: the last time he got pinched. It was a picture

492
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 2: of a blonde woman in a white dress posing in

493
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 2: front of the Manhattan skyline. Not her, Yeah, not her.

494
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,679
Speaker 2: Mason knows it's a gamble, but he's pretty sure it's

495
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 2: going to pay off. That son of a She does

496
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,199
Speaker 2: what she shouts. Then she pulls a picture out of

497
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 2: her purse. It's the exact same picture but with her

498
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,920
Speaker 2: in it, same pose, everything.

499
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 3: He just take this thing.

500
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,879
Speaker 2: It's his thing. So Luanne, she's like, yeah, look I

501
00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 2: know where both of these photos are taken. It's a

502
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 2: promenade and weehawken guess what you know? It's down the

503
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 2: block his fence oh so, then like, okay, this is

504
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 2: the last straw for her. So she starts giving the

505
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 2: Greenwich police any information about Nordle that she can think of,

506
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 2: and so they have the promise of her testimony. This

507
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 2: Detective Cornell Abrunzini, he was able to obtain a warrant

508
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 2: to arrest Nordal for six Greenwich burglaries.

509
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 3: When you hear mister Abrazzini, you don't expect Cornell.

510
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 2: Detective Cornell Cornell is so good. So despite Luann's help,

511
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:34,439
Speaker 2: Mason and Abersini, they couldn't find Nordall anywhere in New Jersey.

512
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,119
Speaker 2: He had a hunch that dude was hiding at his

513
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 2: mom's place in Indiana, though, oh so he had the

514
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 2: FBI put her home under surveillance. Nordal was spotted driving

515
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 2: to his mom's house with a truck full of drywall.

516
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,879
Speaker 3: Apparently himself.

517
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:56,679
Speaker 2: You know, he was off, he had a break in

518
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 2: his work and he had cash.

519
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,680
Speaker 3: It's like a lawn order SVU, like we found there's

520
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 3: a whole room back here.

521
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 2: So FBI agents they told Mason that they would take

522
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,679
Speaker 2: Blaine into custody, and Mason warned them against it. This

523
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,959
Speaker 2: is what he said quote. I'll never forget it. It

524
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,719
Speaker 2: was a rainy, nasty day, they said. We chased him

525
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 2: in the front door of his mom's house and out

526
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 2: the back, and he's in a wooded area. We haven't

527
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 2: cordoned off. We have helicopters up, we got dogs here.

528
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 2: It's nineteen degrees and it's going to snow. He can't

529
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 2: survive in the woods for any length of time. I said,

530
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 2: how long have you been out there? He said, oh,

531
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 2: about forty five minutes. I said, I'm telling you right now,

532
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 2: Blaine is gone. Blaine is probably ten miles away right now.

533
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 2: Call me back when you find out I was right.

534
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 2: Next day, I get a call. You're not going to

535
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 2: believe this. He was at a bank withdrawing money by

536
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 2: the time we were talking to you on the phone.

537
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 3: Blaine's like a Czechoslovaki and interior decorator. He ain't gonna

538
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 3: catch him in the woods. He's gone.

539
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 2: He is. He is in the wind. So the FBI

540
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 2: traced the credit card that he used to buy the

541
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 2: dry wall. It had been issued to one of his aliases.

542
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 2: So they issued this alert that described his car, and

543
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 2: an off duty officer saw it at a Walmart in Sparta, Wisconsin.

544
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 2: Whoa Yeah. October eighteenth, nineteen ninety six, at the age

545
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 2: of thirty five years old, he was arrested at a

546
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 2: Walmart in Sparta, Wisconsin. So at the Walmart, he was

547
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 2: caught with like these big rubber maid containers. He had

548
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 2: maps of the Connecticut's Fairfield County. He had a fake

549
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 2: credit card, he had a directory of America's rich and

550
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 2: famous on him, and they're like, you know, this is

551
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 2: a little suspects some downtime reading. So the police they

552
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 2: were like, they found out he had a storage locker

553
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 2: in Wilton, Wisconsin. They're like, oh, this has got to

554
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 2: be it. But you know there was nothing in there anyway.

555
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 2: Oh wow, Angie Cannon of Night rit Or News service said, quote,

556
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 2: in the dead of night, dressed all in black, he

557
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 2: slunk to the butler's pantries and swiped the sterling cat burglar. Yes,

558
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 2: but it was no Carrie Grant that the police charged

559
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 2: last week. This accused sneak thief is five foot four

560
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,400
Speaker 2: as a receding hairline drives a Dodge pickup. Was caught

561
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,959
Speaker 2: at a Walmart. And she goes on to quote Detective Brunzini.

562
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 3: Why she got a like body sham and with the

563
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 3: he's got a receiving hair car.

564
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 2: What's up with the papers? With the unnecessary?

565
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 3: They just throw him in for like, I got some

566
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 3: space in his column A.

567
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,360
Speaker 2: Brunzini sprinkles a little on top. I don't think Hollywood

568
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 2: will sign him up?

569
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 3: What the hell?

570
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 2: Come on, dude, you must be surprised. Exactly. So he's

571
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 2: held on five hundred thousand.

572
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 3: That is why the man steals, because you guys just

573
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 3: won't let him.

574
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,640
Speaker 2: The world is cruel. He gets held on five hundred

575
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 2: thousand dollars bond while extradition to Connecticut was pending, and

576
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 2: that's where he was wanted for two counts of third

577
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 2: degree larceny, four counts of first degree larseny, and six

578
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 2: counts of second degree burglary.

579
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 3: Did the fashion police come after? No counts?

580
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,719
Speaker 2: No counts on that? Apparently he bought his clothes at

581
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 2: men's warehouse. Oh it's a fun fact.

582
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 3: So research.

583
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 2: No stolen ims were found in his home when it

584
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 2: was searched, but they did find materials needed to make

585
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 2: fake id's and they all found a video called how

586
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 2: to Create a New Birth Certificate, a rubber stamp that

587
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 2: read original document and a book called how to Launder Money?

588
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 3: Don't you think the FBI is the one who writes

589
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 3: these things, Like if you have a video and you're

590
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 3: like clicking on it, they're like, we got another totally.

591
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 2: So at this point, he's suspected of stealing one million

592
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 2: dollars in silver in approximately forty burglaries over the past

593
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 2: four years. This is like Connecticut, Florida, all of them.

594
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 2: He also hit a bunch of places in Palm Beach, Florida,

595
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 2: including the home of sportscaster Kurt Goudie. Yeah, so police

596
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 2: they suspected him of breaking into Bruce Springsteen's place in

597
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 2: RUMs And, New Jersey, but that turned out to be

598
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 2: not true. I think they just thought maybe this is

599
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 2: how we meet the race.

600
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're just gonna suspect it.

601
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 2: Bruce, ye call us, we got to come over.

602
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, tell the boss we have his silver.

603
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 2: He was also the suspect of the theft of fifty

604
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 2: thousand dollars worth of silver from the grounds of Andalucia,

605
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 2: the childhood home of diplomat Nicholas Biddle, who's and that

606
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 2: is now a National Historic Landmark on the river.

607
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

608
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 2: Well, public defender his his lawyer said, quote, everyone else

609
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 2: in the East Coast who has an unexplained burglary is

610
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 2: convinced he did it. And Jimmy Hoffs disappearance too.

611
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 3: Hey got a comedian. Yeah, so lawyers always trying to

612
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 3: do a quick five. I got a crowd here. Why

613
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 3: got you guys?

614
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 2: He wants to get on court TV. That was the

615
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 2: thing of the day. Second Assistant prosecutor. That's a good title,

616
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 2: Robert Honecker said, quote, He's the burglar to the stars.

617
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 3: See what's the game?

618
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 2: They all look, I'm quoting them, but Michael they won.

619
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 3: Michael Chertoff though, he'll drop the bars.

620
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 2: So the thing is like, he's this burglar to the stars.

621
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 2: But he didn't know or care whose house he was hitting.

622
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 3: Whose house runs house? Whose house?

623
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,479
Speaker 2: The only reason that he knew he'd taken stuff from

624
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 2: Ivana Trump is that he got back to his motel

625
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 2: and saw Trump stamp stamped on the back of two

626
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 2: pewter plates. And he didn't care about that. He was

627
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 2: more bone than he'd picked up pewter. Let's take a break.

628
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 2: When we get back from this time of quiet contemplation,

629
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 2: I am going to continue telling you about Blaine Nordal

630
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 2: or not. Like, maybe I'll mix it up and change

631
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 2: gears and push the envelope talk about something else. Maybe

632
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 2: I'll talk about all the hobbies I picked up and

633
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 2: never finish. Yeah, you're gonna have to tune in and see.

634
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 3: Be the Zamboni you want to see in the world.

635
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 2: Blaine, Blaine, Nordal.

636
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 3: No, no Zaren.

637
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 2: It's Zaren, But I always want to say Narwal. You

638
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 2: look at it, see it, and I see Narwhal, but

639
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 2: it's Nordal. It's not Narwal Zarin. Stop it. After his

640
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 2: arrest at the Walmart at the Walls, about two point

641
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 2: three million dollars in burglary claims in fourteen states were

642
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 2: attributed to him. So first they're like, it's a million

643
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 2: in and then all these other people are chiming in. Yeah,

644
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 2: everyone was thrilled to have caught him, and they wanted

645
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 2: to talk about him too. So let me read you

646
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 2: a bunch of quotes of everyone wanting to and again

647
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 2: they won because now I'm quoting them. Detective Sergeant Michael

648
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 2: Shookt of Southampton Village on Long Island's East End said quote,

649
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 2: when and if I meet him, I'd like to shake

650
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 2: his hand. He was extremely good, very professional, very efficient,

651
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,479
Speaker 2: and they said that Nordal took quote a lot of

652
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 2: intestinal fortitude.

653
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 3: Cops want to be writers, lawyers want to be communians.

654
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 2: Rock stars want to be I just want to go.

655
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 3: You want to be asleep.

656
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 2: I just want to be asleep. Monroe County District Attorney

657
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 2: or I suppose if it were in the south of

658
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 2: the Monroe but Monroe County District Attorney John me Twusecotball quote. See, yeah,

659
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 2: I've had lots of guys try to intimidate me in court.

660
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 3: Don't brag.

661
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 2: Guys will stare you down and maybe say something. I

662
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 2: always stare them down. The usually smile. But this guy

663
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 2: is so cool. We had our stare down, but he

664
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 2: didn't budge, which is unusual.

665
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 3: Silverback psychology. I stare, they stare, sometimes smile.

666
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 2: Detective Fred Nort the Southampton Police Department said, quote, Blaine

667
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 2: was good, very good. One of the best cat burglars

668
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 2: I've seen. He was never armed, he was never violent,

669
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 2: he never heard anyone. He was like Robin Hood, stealing

670
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 2: from the rich, except he didn't give to the poor.

671
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 4: Guy.

672
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 2: Lower Marion Police Sergeant Mark Keenan, what did he say?

673
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 4: Saren.

674
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know, but fan of Charles Bronson movies,

675
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 3: I know it's gonna be good.

676
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 2: Quote. He lives a very low key lifestyle. He never

677
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 2: goes out controversy. Thanks thanks for telling us that.

678
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 3: Are you projecting the investigation?

679
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:52,959
Speaker 2: It looked like most of his spending took place at

680
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 2: Walmart and Walgreens and in the walls. During one six

681
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 2: week stretch, he spent more than two.

682
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 3: Grand at wall drinking. Harvey walbachers do that six.

683
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,479
Speaker 2: Weeks, you could do it nuts, Yeah, anyway, and then,

684
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 2: like I said, he bought his clothes at Men's Warehouse

685
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 2: after his arrest. After his arrest at the Walmart, it

686
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 2: soon became obvious that, like, he's not going to do

687
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 2: a bunch of time because none of the cases against

688
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 2: him were strong. They had no forensic evidence, none of

689
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 2: the silver was recovered, there's no record of any of

690
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 2: the cash that he got from the sale of this. Yeah.

691
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 2: And then we got the little issue of our star witness.

692
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:31,479
Speaker 2: When is a heroin addict?

693
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can usually assassinate that character.

694
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. So this is what his attorney said. Quote, if

695
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 2: you're in law enforcement and you've got some cold cases,

696
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 2: you'll give your kidney just to get somebody to say

697
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 2: I did that. Blaine harms nobody, aside from the fact

698
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 2: that you'll never see your great great great grandfather's knife

699
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 2: and fork again. Okay, what if it happens to you, sir?

700
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 2: You know, someday blaineill rob his own attorney. On October eleventh,

701
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety seven, he confessed. Blaine confessed to making into

702
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 2: seven Greenwich homes, including Evonna Trump's. He and his lawyer

703
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 2: they signed a deal with federal prosecutors that laid out

704
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 2: all the details of like one hundred and fifty recent burglaries.

705
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 2: Blaine agreed to meet with police officers from the jurisdiction

706
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 2: so that they could like officially clear the cases. In exchange,

707
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 2: he would plead guilty only to the interstate Transportation of

708
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 2: Stolen Property.

709
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 3: Oh he went to federal chargem.

710
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,399
Speaker 2: Smart So, while free on bail, he gets arrested again

711
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 2: smart Smart, this time this time by Baltimore police after

712
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 2: they got a tip from Lower Marion police in Philadelphia

713
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 2: who noticed him making his way to Baltimore. He was

714
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 2: walking back to his nineteen ninety one red Cadillac Deville,

715
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 2: which was parked outside of mansion. They had more than

716
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 2: two dozen cops waiting at the car, like, oh hey, Blaine,

717
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 2: what's up. He had burglary tools on him, but no silver,

718
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,479
Speaker 2: but they were able to tie him to these five

719
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 2: other burglaries. So Baltimore police said that they had been

720
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 2: preparing since summer to charge him with twelve burglaries that

721
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 2: took place inside their city limits. That spree allegedly took

722
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 2: place after he was released on bail. When police noticed

723
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 2: that similar crimes were occurring again. They started keeping him

724
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 2: under nighttime surveillance. And police though they'd lose him because

725
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 2: he'd get off of highways onto deserted streets and they'd

726
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 2: circle a few times and always lose the tail every time.

727
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 2: So in this little spree, seven hundred thousand dollars worth

728
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,760
Speaker 2: of silver was stolen. According to one of the veteran

729
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 2: cops quote, he knew the difference between silver plated and

730
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 2: solid silver. He is a true professional. You just don't

731
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 2: find a burgler like this every day. This has probably

732
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 2: been the most difficult case as far as burglary goes

733
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:44,760
Speaker 2: that I've seen in my career.

734
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 3: You know, you got to kind of hand it to

735
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 3: cops for being honest about this, because you know, they

736
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 3: deal with some of the dumbest most just like whoah,

737
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 3: like yeah, gobsmack head hitting kind of like why would

738
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 3: you do that? Criminals? And then finally got one guy

739
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 3: who's like really good. They're like this guy's and you know,

740
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 3: it's kind of like a comp meant to us why

741
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 3: I got into this, Yeah, this is what I want

742
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 3: to be doing.

743
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 2: So in January of two thousand and two, this huge

744
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 2: hall of silver gets stolen from a mansion in ryan Beck,

745
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:14,240
Speaker 2: New York, Edgewater not Yes, built in eighteen twenty three.

746
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 2: The owner at the time, Richard Jenratt. He was a

747
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:22,280
Speaker 2: retired financier whose hobby was preserving historic homes. That's a great.

748
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 3: Hobby, preserving like for like the historic record, or just

749
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,919
Speaker 3: like you know, maybe like like flipping them.

750
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 2: No, no, no, like preserving them for the historic record,

751
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 2: going through and making sure that everything is repaired to

752
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 2: period details or whatever. You know. It's like kind of

753
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 2: like one of my hobbies.

754
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, that you do that on weeks.

755
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 2: It's easy. It's so cheap.

756
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 3: I mean, they're Barbie dream homes but the same stuff.

757
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 2: Edgewater had been the home of the Donaldson family.

758
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 3: Oh, yes, the Donaldson is good family. I've known them

759
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 3: since the same dogs, ages and generatt.

760
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 2: He tracked down the last living Donaldson descendant who had

761
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,760
Speaker 2: moved to the south of Spain, and he convinced her

762
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 2: to keep the family's original silver at Edgewater.

763
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 3: Well, they've had it for donkeys years and.

764
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 2: It was a massive set. He's like repatriated back to

765
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 2: the hump. All of that silver was starle gone, as

766
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 2: well as a toddy ladle and it's fish server for

767
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 2: a six piece tea set, luncheon knives and dematas spoons

768
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 2: and a chocolate pot.

769
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 3: Demotos spoons, chocolate pot, Come on, choco, that's one.

770
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 2: He takes all the silver that had been like painstakingly

771
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 2: returned to the home. Yes, and there was poor woman

772
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 2: in Spain is like okay, great, thanks good advice. He

773
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 2: left behind these like crazy expensive paintings and porcelain. Is

774
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 2: he just blain? He just wanted silver. The same evening

775
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,760
Speaker 2: there was another burglary, same evening as Edgewater, ten miles

776
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 2: south at Wilderstein or Wilderstein. I don't know how you

777
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 2: say it, and quite frankly, I don't care. This was

778
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 2: the former home.

779
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 3: Of Daisy Suckley, not Daisy.

780
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 2: You know who she is, distant cousin and close companion

781
00:37:58,760 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 2: of Franklin Delano Rose.

782
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 4: I did.

783
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 2: I could throw on any name. Oh yes, of course.

784
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 2: And then you tell me I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you,

785
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 2: and not believe that you don't know. Okay, I'm so excited.

786
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 2: I got one over.

787
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 3: I need to work on a peerage of American royalty.

788
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 2: Well, so at this place, at the old Suckley House,

789
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 2: the only thing stolen there with silver. So both of

790
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 2: these meticulous heists same night. It gets reported on in

791
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,720
Speaker 2: the New York Times. After, you know, reading this article

792
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 2: about the double heist, Aberusini he calls the Rhinebeck Police,

793
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 2: tells the trooper handling the case, quote, I know the

794
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,280
Speaker 2: guy who's doing your burglaries. It's like watching the same

795
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 2: bad movie again and again, so which it must be.

796
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 2: You're like, oh my god, he's striking everywhere. So Abersini

797
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 2: gives them Nordal's name and his aliases David Price and

798
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 2: Robert Damiani. Abersini told this this cop check the local

799
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:58,240
Speaker 2: motels under all three names. So he's calling. He's calling.

800
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 2: On the tenth try. He calls a super eight, several

801
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 2: miles south of Rightbeck, which because I think he had

802
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,720
Speaker 2: like a customer loyalty card to the superint hotels.

803
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,399
Speaker 3: It's going to be near the freeway, you know that.

804
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 2: He finds out a man named David Price had paid

805
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 2: cash for this room, and the clerk when he checks

806
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 2: him in, writes down his car information, like the license

807
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 2: plate for this Cadillac Civilli's driving, makes a photocopy of

808
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,399
Speaker 2: the driver's license. So the cops they race down there.

809
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 2: The photo on the license is Blane, but it says

810
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 2: David Price, and then they find out he'd checked out

811
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 2: more than a week earlier. So so much for that.

812
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 2: February of two thousand and two, the US Marshals they

813
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 2: captured him outside of Duncan Donuts. Oh, Laurel, he was

814
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:41,439
Speaker 2: driving a green Cadillacsiville.

815
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, you may be on the lamb, but Duncan called.

816
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 2: Duncan exactly off. He went to federal prison in Elkton, Ohio.

817
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 2: He was released in November of twenty ten, and he

818
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,720
Speaker 2: ran a pool service with his girlfriend, Elizabeth Irene Music.

819
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 3: That's a cool name.

820
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a cool name. So he stayed on

821
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 2: the straight and narrow cleaning pools and like reading to

822
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 2: orphan rescue dogs. No, no, he did not. August twenty sixth,

823
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 2: twenty thirteen, he was arrested again, right back at him,

824
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 2: right now, Blane's fifty one now.

825
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 3: Way, Well, you know, you got to do what you

826
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 3: know how to do, and if you do what you love,

827
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 3: you never work a day in your life.

828
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 2: Well, and at this point he'd reached it where he was.

829
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 2: Now he gets arrested because he's responsible for millions of

830
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 2: dollars worth of silver being stolen from homes in Athens,

831
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 2: Georgia and all over the southeast.

832
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 3: He needed to get high, Elizabeth, he really did, I

833
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 3: want to tell you.

834
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 2: So see nord Doll's probation.

835
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 3: Athens, Georgia like a college town looking for old silver.

836
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 2: Oh, he's going to all sorts of plantations.

837
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 3: Like Savannah for that.

838
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 2: Oh he did, He had all of it. So his

839
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 2: probation was transferred to Florida when he moved to Jacksonville,

840
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,800
Speaker 2: and that was his new base of operations, and he

841
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 2: would travel from there across state lines, but not so

842
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 2: far away that he'd be missed by probation. Oh smart,

843
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 2: So they figured that he was responsible for over seventy

844
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 2: burglaries that took place throughout twenty thirteen Georgia, North Carolina,

845
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 2: South Carol Line, Alabama, Kentucky, Tennessee. He hit Athens alone

846
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 2: three times and lifted like thirty thousand dollars in silver.

847
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 2: Damn Buckhead. Atlanta was hit pretty hard. Yeah, So in

848
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 2: Atlanta detective he put together a task force. Blaine Nordal,

849
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 2: the man who launched a million task forces. Blaine hit

850
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 2: the Cullini plantation in Davy's County, North Carolina, and it

851
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 2: was there that he lifted one hundred and forty eight

852
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 2: thousand dollars of sterling silver, as well as priceless spoons

853
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 2: made by Paul Revere Wow, and a tea set that

854
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 2: had been saved by a slave who buried it when

855
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 2: Union soldiers moved through.

856
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 3: Damn yeah, they maked it.

857
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 2: He is back on his bs.

858
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 4: So.

859
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 2: Another burglary victim said that he and his wife didn't

860
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 2: realize their stuff was missing for a few days. Quote.

861
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 2: My wife went into the dining room to straighten up

862
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 2: before we had guests over, and she called out that

863
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 2: there's glass missing from the window. Oh yeah, and then now,

864
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:58,760
Speaker 2: how are you going to entertain you have no silver.

865
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 2: They know that a drawer was missing from the sideboard.

866
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 2: He'd used the entire drawer and they punch bowl as

867
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Speaker 2: vessels for two sets of sterling silver, flatware, a dematas set, balls, saucers,

868
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 2: other assorted sterling silver and mint julip cups.

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00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 3: Do you think he was having this stuff melted down?

870
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 2: I don't know, because and he had a fence, and

871
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 2: I don't know if he was selling it to the

872
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 2: fence for weight of silver. Yeah.

873
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 3: I would hope that for way of silver, because otherwise

874
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 3: it's going to be pretty easy to find that stuff

875
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 3: and then connect like.

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00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 2: It's not melted.

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00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't mean that way. I mean like

878
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 3: if I was like the fence, I'm like sitting there

879
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 3: talking to the fence, and I'm like, hey, we got

880
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 3: to melt this down, illig you canna get caught in

881
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 3: that way. I'm hoping they're doing it.

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00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, seventeen, it all came crashing down.

883
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:43,240
Speaker 4: Oh.

884
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 2: Five years prior, Blaine had broken into the home of

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00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,479
Speaker 2: Bill Jones, the third in a gated community on Saint

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00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 2: Simon's Island.

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00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 3: Oh Saint Simon's. Oh yeah, you're not going to get

888
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 3: who is build the third son of the golfer, grandson

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00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 3: the golf.

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00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 2: Now, let me read to you from his profile in

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Speaker 2: Cigar Offiicionaudo.

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00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,399
Speaker 3: Okay quote his name.

893
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 2: His real name is A. W. Jones, the Third, but

894
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 2: most friends and family in Sea Island, Georgia referred to

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00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 2: him as Bill three. He's the fourth generation chairman and

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00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 2: chief executive officer of the Sea Island Company, the proprietor

897
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 2: of one of the world's largest and finest golf resorts,

898
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,720
Speaker 2: and the scion of an empire that encompasses sixty five

899
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 2: thousand acres of prime low country coastal property, which he

900
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 2: is continually developing and upgrading through both good and bad

901
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,760
Speaker 2: economic times, and enjoying the best that a cigar world

902
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 2: has to offer.

903
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 3: To Bobby Johnes, I'm not done, Sarah.

904
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 2: I like a strong, powerful cigar that's rich in flavors,

905
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 2: Bill three allows during a recent interview as he fires

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00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 2: up Adente Opus X double Corona. I smoke two or

907
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 2: three cigars a day, and I find it very relaxing activity.

908
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 2: That's a great compliment to the things I enjoy doing outdoors.

909
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 2: We get hit, we get we get Bill. So the

910
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 2: article describes him with like these beautiful turns of phrases.

911
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 2: Quote his sunburned complexion, smooth as sea island cotton. What

912
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 2: and quote he owns well over four hundred Turkey calls

913
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 2: handmade by the late Neil cost whom he calls the

914
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:18,720
Speaker 2: Stratavarius of Turkey. Calls his Robin's big blue eyes flicker

915
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 2: with delight as he boasts of shedding thirty five pounds

916
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 2: from his five foot nine inch frame. Like make it stop.

917
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 2: I could not sleep.

918
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 3: I don't want to hear them describe what former Speaker

919
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 3: John Bayner looks like.

920
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 2: Oh God, the most beautiful piece.

921
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 3: Of tobacco or a wine stain left in the sun anyway.

922
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 2: Twenty seventeen, FBI agents intercepted a FedEx shipment that had

923
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,479
Speaker 2: a silver charm bracelet in it that you know Bill three?

924
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,240
Speaker 2: Is it Bill Bob whatever?

925
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 4: Bill?

926
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 2: Bill three and his wife they could identify it. So Blaine,

927
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 2: He's now fifty five years old. He pleads guilty to

928
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 2: a charge of burglary in the first degree. Court Judge

929
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 2: Anthony Harrison, I tell you that name because it's not important.

930
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 2: Sentence nordaal To eleven years in prison and nine years

931
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 2: probation as a repeat offender under the state recidivist statute.

932
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 2: He was also he was up against like a possible

933
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 2: life sentence in South Carolina because I guess they go

934
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 2: hard on burglary South Carolina. Yeah, Detective Mason told the

935
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 2: New Yorker quote, I said, Blaine, if you ever want

936
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,439
Speaker 2: to use your knowledge in a positive way, I'd work

937
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 2: with you. You could work in the insurance industry, in

938
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 2: the area of silver. You could work with alarm systems.

939
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 2: If you want to team up, go into a business.

940
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 2: We could turn this into a crime prevention program. What

941
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 2: did he say, I asked. He said, I don't think so.

942
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 3: I don't like work. Yeah, you'd probably tell from my

943
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 3: career as a criminal.

944
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,720
Speaker 2: He is thought to have stolen at least ten million

945
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 2: dollars worth of silver in over fifteen states in his career.

946
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 3: Damn, they had a silver of old families that he

947
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 3: has touched.

948
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 2: I know. Is that your takeaway?

949
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 3: Ridiculous takeaway?

950
00:45:58,239 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 2: What's your ridiculous takeaway?

951
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 3: You should have go flatwear? Yeah, because that's class. Make

952
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 3: it real. I like, I like electrically conductive flatware. Okay,

953
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 3: otherwise I'm like, am I gonna get shocked.

954
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 2: Come on, if I'm going to stick this into an outlet,

955
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 2: let's make it worth it.

956
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 3: You know, like give me a spark, or what are

957
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 3: we doing here now? But for all intense and purposes,

958
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 3: what would you say is your ridiculous take away? Elizabeth

959
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:23,760
Speaker 3: got that table turner?

960
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 2: Oh how the turntables turn my takeaway? I you know,

961
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 2: I've been thinking a lot before we even got the

962
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 2: email from the listener. I've been thinking a lot about

963
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 2: the personal violation of it. Yes, because we had we

964
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 2: had some silver stolen in our family and it was like,

965
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 2: I don't know, there's a part of me that's like

966
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 2: it's just stuff, but at the same time, like it

967
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 2: holds a lot of meaning to a family when it's

968
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 2: like it wasn't like oh this opulent thing. These are

969
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 2: like working class people who'd saved up and passed it

970
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 2: down from generations.

971
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 3: You don't want to be ablee to lose it for

972
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 3: all these generations of them people trying to hold it.

973
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 2: You don't want to be like, oh, yeah, like this

974
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 2: survived all these other things. And so I think, you know,

975
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 2: it's interesting about the violation of it. And what's even

976
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 2: more interesting is this guy's addiction to it, and he's

977
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 2: kind of getting high off the violation of it, which.

978
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 3: Is just do you think?

979
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 2: So, I don't know, I actually guess he said that, Yeah,

980
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 2: ex girlfriends.

981
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have put in the terms of violation, but

982
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 3: now that you you do. But he really did. He

983
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 3: said he liked to be in the house with the

984
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 3: people while are sleeping, which is very much a violation

985
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 3: of their sense of peace and privacy and so forth.

986
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 2: So, I mean, I wish there was a party that

987
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 2: could be honestly like, oh, it's just stuff. Who cares?

988
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 2: But it does. There's you know, there's sentimental things, and

989
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 2: then they are also just logistical issues when people steal

990
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 2: stuff like that. So what I'm trying to say is

991
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 2: they're all dusty bumbs, not like bums is and unhoused.

992
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 2: But yes, you know, it's just such bum dusty behavior

993
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 2: to esty behavior. So anyway, what's your ridiculous takeaway?

994
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 3: Did you tell me the same one what you had?

995
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 3: What you said, Yeah, that was mine. I'm just going

996
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 3: to say it a little bit louder.

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00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,400
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we are.

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