Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Speaker 1: Sports Radio Final Hour on this Tuesday, Dan and the
Speaker 1: Dan Eds Dan Patrick Show. I did not expect to
Speaker 1: say the following PGA Tour and the Live Tour are merging.
Speaker 1: That one came out of nowhere, and I guess they're
Speaker 1: still working on the details. A lot of fine print here,
Speaker 1: but looks like after the twenty twenty three season that
Speaker 1: they would be merging. Who's having a worse day Rory McElroy,
Speaker 1: J Monahan, who's the commissioner of the PGA Tour, Brandal
Speaker 1: Shamblee who works for the Golf Channel as an analysts.
Speaker 1: They're probably all the above there, although Jay Monaghan, he's
Speaker 1: going to get credit or blame here with what's happening,
Speaker 1: probably going to be label to hypocret here. Rory has
Speaker 1: fought hard for the PGA Tour. He has carried the
Speaker 1: water for quite some time. Randal Shamblee, the golf fanelist
Speaker 1: for a Golf Channel as well. Final Hour coming up.
Speaker 1: Jeffvan Gundhi of the Mothership. He'll be on the call
Speaker 1: tomorrow night. Game three with the Miami Heat and the
Speaker 1: Denver Nuggets. The Nuggets started out his two point favorites.
Speaker 1: Now it's up to two and a half. Entertainment purposes.
Speaker 1: Only the best tennis players in the world on the
Speaker 1: the red clay courts of Roland Garrols. I don't think
Speaker 1: they have that accent in France. Do they have Southern
Speaker 1: accents in France.
Speaker 2: Like southern France.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been to Nice, I've been in southern France,
Speaker 1: but I don't think they have. You know, if we
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Speaker 2: It's it's nice, then it's no, it's it's nice knees.
Speaker 2: Are you down in south they call it?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: N I live in Nice. Yes.
Speaker 4: Don I think they say we we should guess their
Speaker 4: little southern freads accent.
Speaker 1: Roland Garros the red clay cords of Roland Garros in Paris,
Speaker 1: the French Open on NBC and Peacock not Roland Garros rolling. Hey, Roland,
Speaker 1: what's all? Hey, Roland? What you're doing, Marvin? You're trying
Speaker 1: to keep it together after what Fritz you had to say.
Speaker 1: Whenever he says something, you just start reading.
Speaker 4: Guard him.
Speaker 1: Yes, well, okay? Is it is it worse if I
Speaker 1: just go and start reading something and don't acknowledge him, yes,
Speaker 1: or if I do acknowledge you, and I might say
Speaker 1: something that is not not okay acknowledgement.
Speaker 4: It looks like he heard it then had a response
Speaker 4: that's negative.
Speaker 1: Thank you to okay, that's what I say. So you
Speaker 1: usually say that that's I'm trying to tell you, okay.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I said something.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Todd Well. Vegas beat the Panthers seven to
Speaker 1: last night. They're up to to oh in the Stanley
Speaker 1: Cup Final. Thank you mar That is snarky, uh ts
Speaker 1: that when the first two games of the Stanley Cup
Speaker 1: Final are forty eight to five since they started going
Speaker 1: to a best of seven. Serious if that factors in
Speaker 1: with you in your daily life. So jeffvan Gundi will
Speaker 1: join us coming up. We talked a lot about the
Speaker 1: NFL investigating the Colts defensive back Isaiah Rogers for gambling violations,
Speaker 1: and from what we've been told earlier today, there could
Speaker 1: be as many as ten to twenty other players who
Speaker 1: could be involved in this. With the NFL basically playing
Speaker 1: phone tag, they're following your phone, wherever you're placing these bets,
Speaker 1: wherever the bets are coming from. And that's what happened
Speaker 1: with Isaiah Rodgers, who has admitted that he has gambled.
Speaker 1: We don't know. He said he gambled on the Colts.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he gambled on the Colts to
Speaker 1: win or gambled on the Colts to lose. But either way,
Speaker 1: I would think he would be done for the upcoming season,
Speaker 1: and he was expected to be a starter for the Colts.
Speaker 1: Final our poll question their seaton, what do you have?
Speaker 5: Damn?
Speaker 6: We put a bunch up actually today so far? All well,
Speaker 6: we're going to start right now with who's having the worst?
Speaker 6: Dame Rory McElroy, J Monahan, Bramdles Yet okay, we also
Speaker 6: put up there off of an earlier topic. If I
Speaker 6: ran the NFL, my biggest concern would be player gambling issues,
Speaker 6: player concussions or health or none we do no wrong?
Speaker 6: Right now, seventy one percent is health and concussions. Okay,
Speaker 6: but gambling and none we do no wrong is actually tied.
Speaker 1: So that's fun. I would vote for a do no wrong.
Speaker 1: They can do no wrong. Yeah, even when they do.
Speaker 1: They don't. They survive everything. Everything's just speed bump, you know.
Speaker 1: Or it's a pothole, it's not a crater. It's just
Speaker 1: all right. Somehow got to negotiate round this or even
Speaker 1: through this, but they somehow make it all happen year
Speaker 1: in and year out. Because when it comes down to
Speaker 1: player safety, I do think the players care about their safety,
Speaker 1: but they care about that paycheck, that extra paycheck. So
Speaker 1: you can't sit here and say, hey, we really care
Speaker 1: about the player's safety, let's add a seventeenth game. Well,
Speaker 1: the players know that, Hey, yes, we care about our
Speaker 1: you know, health and safety, long term term, short short term.
Speaker 1: But look at the money that's there. An extra paycheck,
Speaker 1: it's there. And let's say I play five years, so
Speaker 1: I'm getting five more game checks. You got the pension
Speaker 1: that you have to factor in as well. I don't
Speaker 1: know if the owners the NFL doesn't care about player
Speaker 1: safety until they have to care about player safety, because
Speaker 1: if they cared about player safety, then you wouldn't have
Speaker 1: a seventeenth game. You would just say, hey, I know
Speaker 1: it's a financial winfall, but we're worried about our players.
Speaker 1: You know, they're only worried when it cost them a
Speaker 1: billion dollars in a lawsuit. I don't know if and
Speaker 1: I understand the players that are willing to roll the dice.
Speaker 1: I think you roll the dice when you play the
Speaker 1: sport to begin with. Okay, I could get hurt, I
Speaker 1: could have permanent damage here. I'm going to roll the
Speaker 1: dice in the interim, and while I'm young, I'm going
Speaker 1: to try to get as many paychecks as possible. I
Speaker 1: get it, all right, Let's see. I get a couple
Speaker 1: of phone calls in here, Matt and Iowa joins us,
Speaker 1: Hey Matt, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 7: Hey DP, my man. Past of the day. Start out
Speaker 7: with gotta love you know, and go Stace killer love it?
Speaker 7: And for Marvin, can you reference from Ray Kwan's album
Speaker 7: Cuban Links only built for Iowa alumni player? There was reference? Okay,
Speaker 7: Austin Celtics versus Toronto Raptors.
Speaker 1: All right, we thank you, Matt, Matt and Iowa.
Speaker 4: Yes, Mark, that is a deep dive, deep cut and
Speaker 4: I'm taking the loss on that one because I haven't
Speaker 4: heard the album in full in ten years.
Speaker 1: And okay, so there's an Iowa athlete who is referenced
Speaker 1: on the album. Correct, yes, okay, Boston Celtics Toronto Raptors.
Speaker 4: I'm I'm lost.
Speaker 1: Okay, you did.
Speaker 2: The player play for Iowa then the Celtics? Is that correct?
Speaker 8: Marvin?
Speaker 4: I see Ed Horton. I am this lost now after
Speaker 4: Google ray Kwon?
Speaker 1: Hey, Matt, did Paul get it?
Speaker 7: He was drafted by the Celtics traded to the Raptors
Speaker 7: in the expansion draft?
Speaker 9: I believe?
Speaker 7: Okay, so Raptors Boston Celtics reference I'm the only built
Speaker 7: for Cuban Wings album.
Speaker 1: Because you guys are Matt, Matt, Matt, you can tell
Speaker 1: us a okay, a sero it is? Yeah, a Seero
Speaker 1: big Man drafted by the Celtics then went to the Raptors.
Speaker 4: Oh, next time, I'll use that.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you have those days where you're like, is it
Speaker 1: me or is it the audience? Like what's going on here?
Speaker 1: Mike and Fort Myers?
Speaker 3: Hi?
Speaker 1: Mike, how you doing?
Speaker 10: Dan?
Speaker 1: Break time?
Speaker 10: A long time?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 10: Hey, this lives. PGA tour things pretty surprising. I mean,
Speaker 10: do the current PGA Tour players now have dollar signs
Speaker 10: in their eyes? I mean, are you going to get
Speaker 10: twenty million for coming in tenth place at the Memorial.
Speaker 1: Now, I think that there will be restructuring, but I
Speaker 1: think Victor Hobblin made three point two million for winning
Speaker 1: the Memorial. Do I think there's going to be this
Speaker 1: influx of money, Well, I don't know. If the Saudi's
Speaker 1: are going, hey, we want to invest in the PGA
Speaker 1: tour would seem a little hypocritical, but at this stage
Speaker 1: of the game, you're just trying to make it better
Speaker 1: in whatever means. You can guess, yes, Ton.
Speaker 4: And that initial big money was just a steal guys
Speaker 4: away to the tour. Now that it's a merger and
Speaker 4: they don't have to start showing out crazy money, they're
Speaker 4: all together now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, pulp.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Guys like Dustin Johnson. He got one hundred and twenty
Speaker 2: five million dollars signing bonus to join the Live tour.
Speaker 2: That is not refundable. It's it's in his account. So
Speaker 2: he's gonna go back and play whatever this new deal
Speaker 2: is on the PGA tour. He keeps his one twenty
Speaker 2: five for eleven months work, sorry, fifteen months work.
Speaker 1: Yeah. What happens to Greg Norman? He just to buy
Speaker 1: out kind of like over his dead body, that this
Speaker 1: was going to happen. Phil Mickelson, he wants to come
Speaker 1: back to you know, these press conferences are going to
Speaker 1: be better than the actual tournaments when these guys come back,
Speaker 1: just asking questions, Phil, uh, why did you come back?
Speaker 1: Or Randall Shamblay talking about the players coming back. The
Speaker 1: press conference is going to be pretty good.
Speaker 4: Yes, Mark Freezing Cole takes on Twitter is gonna have
Speaker 4: a field.
Speaker 1: Day with some of the oh Man And I didn't
Speaker 1: regrudge you. If you wanted to take the money, then
Speaker 1: just say take the money. But do not tell me
Speaker 1: you're making the game better because nobody cared about the
Speaker 1: live tour. You got your money, Okay, Yeah, but don't
Speaker 1: sit here and tell us that you're you're telling us
Speaker 1: that you know your altruistic motive was, we want to
Speaker 1: make the game better by playing fifty four holes, getting
Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars and we get to play loud music.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that doesn't make the game better. That sounds
Speaker 1: like a weekend with me and I'm not playing on
Speaker 1: the tour. Yeah.
Speaker 6: See, I just can't I need somebody to explain all
Speaker 6: of this to be yeah, because I just really can't
Speaker 6: figure it out like it feels like a loss for
Speaker 6: the PGA because they merged with Live, But at the
Speaker 6: same time Live nobody cared, nobody watched, nobody whatever. They
Speaker 6: threw away hundreds of millions of dollars, but now are
Speaker 6: more relevant. So I can't really wrap my mind around
Speaker 6: how this is all working right now. I mean, did
Speaker 6: j Monahan save golf or did he kill it? I
Speaker 6: don't really know. It's probably one of the two. Did
Speaker 6: the Live Tour get what they wanted out of this?
Speaker 6: And is this what they wanted? I don't know until
Speaker 6: the details come out. Yeah, it's all surface stuff now, yeah, pum.
Speaker 2: If you go back a year ago, but the PGA
Speaker 2: of President J Monahan seemed to be waging a war
Speaker 2: of ethics against the Live Tour, using old school American
Speaker 2: golf fans and others to say, like, look at this tour,
Speaker 2: Look who's funded by. There's some lot of very terse
Speaker 2: stuff nine to eleven related type jabs, and he was
Speaker 2: all in. And then guys like Rory McRoy carried his
Speaker 2: water all year and others Jordan Speith, and they dinged
Speaker 2: the Live Tour and maybe behind their backs they said, hey, man,
Speaker 2: we can't outspend the Saudi Royal Fund. At the end
Speaker 2: of the day, there's there a certain we have a
Speaker 2: cap of finances and if we don't do this merge now,
Speaker 2: we maybe not be to have the chance to merge.
Speaker 1: I remember when Bryson Deshamba came out and said after
Speaker 1: Brooks Kopko won, PGA's like, ah see that validates you
Speaker 1: know our tour. No it doesn't. You've got some of
Speaker 1: the best players in the world. You guys should be
Speaker 1: competing when you get a chance to compete in the majors.
Speaker 6: Yes, but if that if the public Investment Fund or
Speaker 6: whatever is essentially just throwing money, just gobs of money
Speaker 6: into a gigantic hole, why are you worried about outspending them.
Speaker 6: I live Golf, I mean it ultimately did nothing except
Speaker 6: for give a bunch of players a ton of money.
Speaker 6: It didn't really like I mean, I don't know how
Speaker 6: much the PGA really suffered with livetour. So if they're
Speaker 6: just throwing their money into a gigantic hole and not
Speaker 6: doing anything but just wasting it, then what's the problem.
Speaker 1: Well, I think the pg got hurt because marquee players
Speaker 1: were not playing, but it was. You know, this is
Speaker 1: a short period of time that we've talked about this,
Speaker 1: which is really amazing that all of a sudden you're
Speaker 1: closing up shop because I was told that the Live
Speaker 1: Tour was going to go after women. They were going
Speaker 1: to get they were going to create their own, you know,
Speaker 1: golf empire there. You were going to have a live
Speaker 1: tour for the women, You're going to have the live
Speaker 1: tour for the men, and they were going to be separate,
Speaker 1: separate entities. It just they couldn't spend enough money to
Speaker 1: get a TV deal where we might watch it. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're watching XFL and USFL and we don't even know
Speaker 1: those players. If Dustin Johnson and Brooks Kopka and some
Speaker 1: of those guys are playing, you're watching, but you know,
Speaker 1: trying to find them. And then it's fifty four holes
Speaker 1: and so I don't know who won here unless it's
Speaker 1: the golf fan yeah pulling.
Speaker 2: I think it's be interesting to find out that the
Speaker 2: PGE Tour as the name even exists a month from now,
Speaker 2: because the Lived Tour is going to want to have
Speaker 2: input on the name. PJ Tours want to have input. Also.
Speaker 2: We have four majors those are the four weekends everybody
Speaker 2: watches golf in America and worldwide. What if one of
Speaker 2: those majors is now played in riod or somewhere like that.
Speaker 2: The PJA Championship, which is the fourth of the Brothers,
Speaker 2: you know, that maybe not be played in America anymore.
Speaker 2: That could be played if I'm the lift or that's
Speaker 2: what I want.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what the PGA Tour had to
Speaker 1: compromise on.
Speaker 2: That's when I'm curious, name locations, tour stops in America.
Speaker 1: No, I don't know. I don't know. I mean, if
Speaker 1: I'm the PGA Tour, I would have been, hey, you guys,
Speaker 1: stay and we don't need you. We'll move on, we'll
Speaker 1: make stars. But I'm not. I don't know the logic here,
Speaker 1: so I'd be, you know, playing darts in the dark,
Speaker 1: trying to figure out exactly what's going on and how
Speaker 1: they came to this now and kept it quiet for
Speaker 1: such a long period of time. They obviously didn't tell
Speaker 1: their players, because that didn't stop Michelson from saying things
Speaker 1: about Rory McElroy recently, and that was like during the
Speaker 1: tournament that the memorial, he was saying things so five
Speaker 1: days ago he's saying things. Four days ago he's saying
Speaker 1: things about Rory McElroy.
Speaker 6: Yeah see, yeah, I mean I don't know that just
Speaker 6: because these two there there's been this big merger that
Speaker 6: people have to play nice, now do they?
Speaker 1: I don't know as far as the golfers, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I hope not. I mean, I hope
Speaker 1: there's tension out there now. I hope there's rivalries.
Speaker 2: Yes, I saw on the bottom of the press release
Speaker 2: bull sides still hate Patrick reed. It's official. They've agreed
Speaker 2: upon that night.
Speaker 1: Clear that up. Jeff Van Gundy from the Mothership will
Speaker 1: join us. Coming up next here on the Dan Patrick Show.
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Speaker 1: call along with Mike Brain, Mark Jackson. Game three NBA
Speaker 1: Finals Tomorrow night, tip off eight thirty Eastern on ABC.
Speaker 1: It was on this date in nineteen eighty four Kevin
Speaker 1: McHale close lines Kurt Rambus Game four NBA Finals, and
Speaker 1: I'm not sure was Kevin McHale not called for a
Speaker 1: foul in them That would have been a playoff foul. Yeah, PAULI,
Speaker 1: I'm watching the play now.
Speaker 2: It's chaos because when Rambus gets hit, he gets hit
Speaker 2: by Jerald Henderson first, and then Rambus McHale's come from
Speaker 2: the back and hooks him around the neck. But the
Speaker 2: ref is being blinded. He can't see it. I don't
Speaker 2: see a foul call.
Speaker 1: Wow, I'm reading an article here.
Speaker 6: It says in nineteen eighty four. However, maybe hard to believe,
Speaker 6: but only McHale received a foul for his action.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, yeah, that was playoff basketball back then,
Speaker 1: Jeff Right, that was a regular foul.
Speaker 8: Yeah, there wasn't.
Speaker 5: I don't know when the flagrant foul came in to being,
Speaker 5: but I just my first one that I remember is
Speaker 5: when I was an assistant with the Knicks and John
Speaker 5: Stark's clothesline Scottie Pippen in a similar manner, and I
Speaker 5: think that was.
Speaker 8: A flagrant fowl.
Speaker 5: But you're not getting thrown out for that back then,
Speaker 5: that was like bad boy slap on the wrist, put
Speaker 5: the ball back in play.
Speaker 1: Both teams are playing the we get no respect card?
Speaker 1: Which one has a better argument in this series?
Speaker 5: Neither one's a top seed in the West, and have
Speaker 5: you know was in first place since December and the
Speaker 5: other team beat the two best records in basketball on
Speaker 5: the way to the finals. So I think both have
Speaker 5: gotten the appropriate amount of credit for what they've been
Speaker 5: able to accomplish, which is immense. They've done great things,
Speaker 5: and I think this no one respects us. It may
Speaker 5: play well in their own individual locker rooms, but I
Speaker 5: don't think it's true.
Speaker 1: Is this a pivotal Game three tomorrow night?
Speaker 8: I think they always are.
Speaker 5: I think, you know the split by Miami, what a
Speaker 5: great fourth quarter they.
Speaker 8: Played, and.
Speaker 5: The two days off lets both teams gather and re
Speaker 5: energize and recharge. And I think Denver has played really
Speaker 5: good basketball for six of the eight quarters. I thought
Speaker 5: they had a bad first or really like they had
Speaker 5: two bad fourth quarters, I mean really like bad fourth
Speaker 5: quarters in both games, and their start in Game two.
Speaker 8: Was probably very unacceptable to Michael Malone.
Speaker 1: I know you have to know your team as a coach,
Speaker 1: but Michael Malone calling out his team for a lackluster performance,
Speaker 1: especially on defense. That's not Eric Spolster's playbook, but it
Speaker 1: is Michael Malone. Are you surprised at all with that
Speaker 1: tech that approach by him?
Speaker 5: You know, I've always wondered what we want out of
Speaker 5: coaches when you ask them a question. Do you want
Speaker 5: an honest response or do you want like him saying
Speaker 5: we tried hard, Because if you go back and you
Speaker 5: watch the game, there were a lot too many possessions
Speaker 5: that were either lacked intelligent process or didn't give enough
Speaker 5: effort to get the job done.
Speaker 8: So I'm not sure exactly what we wanted to say.
Speaker 5: There, like, yeah, fouling two three point shooters, love.
Speaker 8: That, we got to keep doing that. I don't know
Speaker 8: what we want from these coaches.
Speaker 5: He could talk in more cliches, he could talk more,
Speaker 5: you know, around the issues, but I think Denver and
Speaker 5: their players are used to his directness. And I think
Speaker 5: if you have the right best players, the right best
Speaker 5: players want to be talked to in a straightforward manner.
Speaker 1: Well, if he was going to be honest and then
Speaker 1: he actually called out Michael Porter Junior, then I would
Speaker 1: have said, that's a coach who's being honest because Michael
Speaker 1: Porter played horribly in that game. You're kind of lumping
Speaker 1: everybody in that we didn't play. It's like we played
Speaker 1: one hundred percent seventy percent of the time and that's
Speaker 1: why we lost this game. And then you have Eric
Speaker 1: Spolstra where Ramona Shelburn is saying, Hey, you know I'm
Speaker 1: simplifying this, but are you trying to make a joker
Speaker 1: more of a scorer than a passer? And he basically
Speaker 1: said it's an untrained eye. Reggie Miller said the same
Speaker 1: thing what Ramona said. You know, you want to keep
Speaker 1: him from passing the ball, getting everybody involved in that?
Speaker 1: Was that a crazy question by Ramona to Eric spolsterra.
Speaker 5: No, And I think if you watch the game, it
Speaker 5: would tell you that they gave less help. Now that
Speaker 5: doesn't mean they want him to score, but I think
Speaker 5: when you watch what their priorities are.
Speaker 8: When you're playing against.
Speaker 5: A great player, and I don't care who the great
Speaker 5: player is, you can't take away everything, but you need
Speaker 5: to take away something, and it usually starts with taking
Speaker 5: away easy baskets created either for.
Speaker 8: Yourself or others, and the free throws.
Speaker 5: And I think he had a couple of great passes
Speaker 5: to Gordon on cuts that led directly to easy baskets.
Speaker 5: But other than that, because they made him play a
Speaker 5: lot of one on one, he.
Speaker 8: Had to score up and through really sound defense. And so.
Speaker 5: I know what Eric is saying, like, you don't have
Speaker 5: it in your power to just say we're going to
Speaker 5: make him a score. But I think Ramona's question a
Speaker 5: spot on in that they did take away one of
Speaker 5: his great strengths.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if those players hit five of those shots, then
Speaker 1: he's got a triple double or at least close to it,
Speaker 1: and then we're not even talking about this. But they
Speaker 1: made those shots tougher on the rest of the nuggets.
Speaker 1: Therefore he didn't get those assists that he normally gets.
Speaker 1: We're talking to Jeff Van Gundi will be on the
Speaker 1: call with Mike Breen Mark Jackson game three of the Finals.
Speaker 1: That's tomorrow night at eight thirty Eastern tip off on ABC.
Speaker 1: What is going on with Kyrie Irving in Dallas.
Speaker 8: In what way?
Speaker 1: Well, the story came out that he was recruiting Lebron
Speaker 1: to come to Dallas, if you believe that, So he
Speaker 1: didn't even have a contract with the MAVs. I don't believe.
Speaker 1: But do you believe that he was trying to recruit
Speaker 1: Lebron to the MAVs this past year.
Speaker 5: I couldn't imagine that because the fit between Die Irving
Speaker 5: and James doesn't seem to be like a complementary, seamless
Speaker 5: type of fit. So and I can't imagine Lebron James
Speaker 5: leaving the Lakers.
Speaker 8: By trade.
Speaker 5: I mean, they just went to the Western Conference finals,
Speaker 5: and he has a son who's going to play at USC.
Speaker 5: He has another one who's going to be I think
Speaker 5: at junior in high school who's a very fine player.
Speaker 5: So I can't imagine James uprooting his family at this point.
Speaker 8: Doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 1: No, I didn't know if it was a leverage play
Speaker 1: on Kyrie's part or Lebron's part to maybe get Kyrie
Speaker 1: to go to the Lakers. Could you see that?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 5: I could see any I could see like the Lakers
Speaker 5: winning ky Kyrie Irving.
Speaker 8: I mean, he's obviously an extremely talented player. Now how they.
Speaker 5: Would create the cap room to be able to sign
Speaker 5: him to the value that he'll command, you know, that's
Speaker 5: problematic obviously, but I could absolutely. I mean they've won
Speaker 5: a championship together. And I think one thing Irving doesn't
Speaker 5: get credit for, even in that short stint with Dallas,
Speaker 5: is that he's able to fit in with other really
Speaker 5: good players. He fit in with Lebron James in Cleveland
Speaker 5: with Doncichi played off the ball, bar still produced at
Speaker 5: a high level.
Speaker 8: So I think he's one of.
Speaker 5: Those guys who has so much skill that he can
Speaker 5: play in many different ways and always fit in with
Speaker 5: the really special players.
Speaker 1: No halftime, no free throws. You've been throwing these out
Speaker 1: when you get bored. Is that what's going on?
Speaker 11: Jeff?
Speaker 5: Well, somebody said to me, I don't agree with you, right,
Speaker 5: And I said, sometimes I don't even agree with myself
Speaker 5: after much consideration. But can we start smaller? Let's start smaller.
Speaker 5: Let's go to the international rule on when the ball
Speaker 5: hits the rim, the ball is live and there's no goaltending.
Speaker 5: Once the ball hits the rem it you can knock
Speaker 5: it away or you can put it in. I think
Speaker 5: would add a lot of really good athletic play, and
Speaker 5: it would also relieve the officials from making what's.
Speaker 8: Nearly an impossible call. So let's start there.
Speaker 3: I still don't believe the only guy who loves free
Speaker 3: throws is like Mike Braen. He loves talking about free throws,
Speaker 3: and I always kid him. He loves to wax poetic
Speaker 3: during free throws about a sob story that's been overcome.
Speaker 8: But it's really the extra point of football.
Speaker 5: It's boring, it's like, it's time consuming, and so I
Speaker 5: would like to, you know, take that out of the
Speaker 5: game until the last four minutes where pressure free throws.
Speaker 8: Obviously you wouldn't want to take that away.
Speaker 1: Well, we move the extra point back in football, So
Speaker 1: why don't we move the free throw back to the
Speaker 1: top of the key?
Speaker 8: Now we're talking, Now we're talking.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's do that. All right, let's do that.
Speaker 5: Or let's even get a new line in between the
Speaker 5: free throw line and the top of the key. Or
Speaker 5: or even hey, let's go for something like usflish if
Speaker 5: you if you want to shoot a three, you could
Speaker 5: get an extra half point. I don't know, let's spice
Speaker 5: it up. The free throw game is.
Speaker 1: Born, okay, and you can't get dap at the free
Speaker 1: throw line. We have to do away with slapping hands
Speaker 1: if you make the free throw or miss the free throw.
Speaker 1: It's a waste of time.
Speaker 5: Agreed, And if you miss the free throw there should
Speaker 5: be some point of shame and humilia.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so we're workship shopping this. I'm fine
Speaker 1: with takeaway offensive goaltending h free throws. Let's move them back,
Speaker 1: no dap at the free throw line, and you want
Speaker 1: to do away with halftime?
Speaker 5: And can I add one else because I'm yeah, I've
Speaker 5: been on this flopping thing for years. It got better
Speaker 5: for a while, it's regressed because they've eliminated the punishment
Speaker 5: they used to when they made a hard stand on it.
Speaker 5: They find players five thousand dollars and they put them
Speaker 5: on a list, right, and for whatever reason, they've gone
Speaker 5: away from that.
Speaker 8: I do believe there should.
Speaker 5: Be, after evaluation, a scarlet level letter F, a fix
Speaker 5: to offending players jerseys for a certain amount of time
Speaker 5: if it's a game, five games, but I think there
Speaker 5: should be a reminder out there to the officials. Yep,
Speaker 5: this guy's going to try to trick you and you're
Speaker 5: not going to fall.
Speaker 1: For Okay, how about this. We get a little letter
Speaker 1: F and then we sew it on your jersey, the
Speaker 1: scarlet F, and then we see how many f's you
Speaker 1: have on your jersey that season, like.
Speaker 8: The Buckeye's helmets, you know, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Michigan Wolverines. Yes, okay, you know what I like.
Speaker 5: How you're thinking, Dan, you should be on the competition committee.
Speaker 1: Well, I did say to the commissioner, basketball's positionless. So
Speaker 1: you can't have Rudy gobert on, you know, one of
Speaker 1: the first, second or third teams all NBA, just because
Speaker 1: he's a center. Get rid of that. And he did.
Speaker 1: I said, we need to have a minimum that you
Speaker 1: have to play to qualify for any kind of awards.
Speaker 1: He did that. And the other one was I said,
Speaker 1: you got to get rid of the carrying. It's getting embarrassing.
Speaker 1: And you know, the kids in grade school, in high
Speaker 1: school or emulating what they see with the pros. Jason
Speaker 1: Tatum can't dribble a basketball without carrying the ball. Jeff,
Speaker 1: why are we allowing this?
Speaker 5: Well, every year there's these emphasis and they always start
Speaker 5: with traveling and carrying and their call for maybe you know,
Speaker 5: a couple of weeks and then people like you're messing
Speaker 5: with my game, you know, like you know, it starts
Speaker 5: to impact, they go away.
Speaker 8: But like if you watch a hesitation dribble.
Speaker 5: You know, guys going and then they hesitate and they
Speaker 5: lift up a little bit. You have to carry the
Speaker 5: ball like there's it. You know, as you lift up,
Speaker 5: your hand is going to go under the ball. So
Speaker 5: the fans, what they call themselves is purest. If they
Speaker 5: really wanted to see travels called, you could basically call
Speaker 5: it travel on every possession.
Speaker 8: Is that what we want? Same with carrying.
Speaker 5: I think it sounds good in theory, but actually implementing it,
Speaker 5: it would take away and has taken away. And yet
Speaker 5: the defense is already at such a huge disadvantage. I
Speaker 5: know that we keep making it harder and harder on
Speaker 5: the defense. You know, very little contacts allowed. And if
Speaker 5: you let people travel and carry the ball, you know,
Speaker 5: then they are quote on guard them.
Speaker 1: Well, you go back to Allen Iverson. Did I create
Speaker 1: the carry?
Speaker 8: No? He but he was a he was a great
Speaker 8: proponent of it. Like he was good.
Speaker 1: He's the forefather of the carry.
Speaker 8: That's a good question.
Speaker 5: Like I would say, who was the first guy with this,
Speaker 5: like the spin dribble where they would just like basically
Speaker 5: cup it and.
Speaker 8: Bring it over. Then let's give Earl some credit.
Speaker 5: You know he's for that, and he started a great
Speaker 5: high school in New York City where underserved children are
Speaker 5: being taken care of.
Speaker 8: So I want to give Earl credit for both things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think you went credit for bringing the
Speaker 1: carry into the game.
Speaker 5: Well again, it's such a fine line, and I think
Speaker 5: this is where you don't want it to be called
Speaker 5: by the letter of the law, like travels.
Speaker 8: Right, So you mentioned Reggie Miller.
Speaker 5: If he was coming off a pin down to his left,
Speaker 5: he would catch it on his right pivot foot looking shot.
Speaker 5: But then if he didn't have shot and he came
Speaker 5: to a stop, he would go to his left that
Speaker 5: he would just switch his pivot foot because he felt
Speaker 5: more comfortable on his left. A lot of people do that.
Speaker 5: That's like, league wide, do we want that called? I
Speaker 5: think as a league we have to decide do we
Speaker 5: want that called or don't we because you when you
Speaker 5: say we want travels inforced, I really don't think we
Speaker 5: know the total impact it would have on the flow
Speaker 5: and rhythm of the game.
Speaker 1: Okay, are there more travels in an NBA game or
Speaker 1: holding calls in an NFL game?
Speaker 8: Oh, there's more holding calls.
Speaker 5: Okay, Yeah, And there's a hold probably on every play
Speaker 5: right in the.
Speaker 8: NFL, I will suspect.
Speaker 5: I would think, Yeah, it's like the illegal defense or
Speaker 5: the defense of three, like that's called like below once
Speaker 5: a game and if you watch it, you know, like
Speaker 5: you mentioned Rudy Gobert before, you know, he's going to
Speaker 5: stay in there until they call it. And so yeah,
Speaker 5: I just think it depends on what we want.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what are you going to do the rest of
Speaker 1: the day, Well, we.
Speaker 5: Have to go over and do interviews where Mike asked
Speaker 5: probing questions.
Speaker 8: Player tries to bring him into tears.
Speaker 1: And uh, that sounded snarky, Jeff, that sounds.
Speaker 5: Trying to make them reflect on on sad thing.
Speaker 8: And so it brings a tear to my eye.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and then you know, we last week we played pickleball,
Speaker 9: and uh, but we sustained an injury Mike Green playing
Speaker 9: like popped the calf.
Speaker 5: So we're down a man. So you know, when you
Speaker 5: get to this age like maybe what's called lunch or
Speaker 5: early dinner, you know, and then we're gonna like call
Speaker 5: it on it, you know.
Speaker 1: So I don't get pickleball. I played it once. I
Speaker 1: don't get it.
Speaker 5: I you know, what I don't really get about pickleball
Speaker 5: watching it on TV.
Speaker 8: Like I tried to.
Speaker 5: Watch it on TV, and I'm like those little dink
Speaker 5: shots back over back, like I'm like, uh, all right,
Speaker 5: you're losing me.
Speaker 8: Now, Like you know, I don't get that. It was
Speaker 8: sort of fun to play, but not as much action
Speaker 8: as tennis.
Speaker 1: And I think it's great that people who are not
Speaker 1: watching on TV on Peacock that Jeff has double beds here,
Speaker 1: so a bed for him in a bed for his
Speaker 1: brother and uh or Mike Green. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know the cost measures there at the Mothership anymore.
Speaker 5: I thought we were going to get through a whole
Speaker 5: about the Mothership, and I'm so glad we didn't. But
Speaker 5: you know, I might invite Stand down for a sleepover.
Speaker 5: I expected a king. I got two like twins, so hey,
Speaker 5: stand make the trip down.
Speaker 1: When when's the last time you had a sleepover with
Speaker 1: your brother?
Speaker 8: Oh? Gee?
Speaker 5: I mean when when I was making no money, I
Speaker 5: went down and had to recruit, like when he was
Speaker 5: in New York. So I probably didn't pay him for
Speaker 5: uh some crappy place he had in Yonkers maybe like
Speaker 5: that would probably be the last time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, play nice tomorrow night with Breen.
Speaker 5: Okay, Yeah, well, you know we're gonna try. Mike is
Speaker 5: like like he's coming off back to back Emmy Award wins,
Speaker 5: so he's becoming a little bit less.
Speaker 8: What is that called collaborative?
Speaker 1: He's in the Basketball Hall of Fame, Jeff, I know, are.
Speaker 8: You No, I'm not going to be there.
Speaker 1: You've contributed to the game. You're a contributor to the game.
Speaker 1: Your seventeenth NBA Finals come on. If Breen can get in.
Speaker 5: Well, I think when you you pose as a serious
Speaker 5: thing to eliminate halftime.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Jeff, you got to take care of that's
Speaker 1: Jeff Aan Gundy, the mothership any former NBA head coach.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think about that? That if you
Speaker 1: flop and like the the referee singles you out for
Speaker 1: a flop, and then you get an F on your
Speaker 1: jersey and then it's your scarlet letter and you'll have
Speaker 1: f's on your jerseys? Anybody? Anybody? Okay with that? Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, all right? Kind of be grudgingly that you
Speaker 1: think that maybe that's kind of brilliant offensive goaltending. I'm fine,
Speaker 1: once it hits the iron, let's go after it, knock
Speaker 1: it away whatever it is. I'm good with that too.
Speaker 1: And I all ease up on the carrying. People are like,
Speaker 1: you know, stop. You know they get off my launch.
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, actually I get it. The problem da,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna jump in here. Don't ease up on the carrying,
Speaker 2: you know, when there's something wrong in the game. By
Speaker 2: not saying anything about things that are wrong in the game,
Speaker 2: that's how goes on for years and years and gets
Speaker 2: to the point we are now. If someone had talked
Speaker 2: about carrying a decade ago and they would insert a rule,
Speaker 2: the entire culture from eighth grade to pros would have
Speaker 2: stopped carrying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been I carry about the carry. That's all
Speaker 1: because I remember when guys played and they didn't carry,
Speaker 1: and they were unbelievable. And these players now, if you
Speaker 1: can't get by your guy that you're allowed to travel
Speaker 1: to an extra step and carry the basketball, it would
Speaker 1: be it's embarrassing if you can't because they're giving you.
Speaker 1: I can't put my body on you, I can't put
Speaker 1: my four I can't give you a foe arm boy.
Speaker 1: I can't put my hand on your hip. None of
Speaker 1: those things. You should be able to get by your guy.
Speaker 1: You shouldn't be able to create a shot. Jake and
Speaker 1: Utah Hi Jake.
Speaker 11: Hey, Dan how's it going good, sir? A long time
Speaker 11: six one, one five. I was just calm to day
Speaker 11: to kind of talk about you know, a lot of
Speaker 11: people in the media talk about how these finals are
Speaker 11: so boring and it's not great for ratings. But when
Speaker 11: did fans care about ratings? When was that something that
Speaker 11: people started to worry about that ESPN wasn't going to
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Speaker 1: I think it's more of people in the media. Do
Speaker 1: you talk about it and how much do you speak
Speaker 1: about it? So it's a media story. It's not about
Speaker 1: the fans. I don't think the fans go, uh, nobody's watching,
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Speaker 1: about you know, what the ratings are. I'm watching. I
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