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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to episode one three one of

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Speaker 1: the Hammer Territory podcast. I am your host is Brad Rowlands,

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Speaker 1: coming to you on a Thursday. Happy New Year everyone,

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Speaker 1: our first episode of twenty twenty five, and I'm joined

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Speaker 1: tonight by the great Stephen Tolbert. Hello sir, how are

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Speaker 1: you Bradley?

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Speaker 2: What's up buddy? It's been a minute since you and

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Speaker 2: I have done one of these, but yeah, happy new

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Speaker 2: Year to you, obviously, Happy new year to everybody out

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Speaker 2: there listening. You know, obviously it's still been pretty quiet

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Speaker 2: in Braves Country as we do another one of these

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Speaker 2: with not a thing to hear. Nothing in terms of

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Speaker 2: an addition to talk about. We do have a couple

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Speaker 2: of little things to get to tonight, but yeah, man,

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Speaker 2: it's always good to do these with you.

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Speaker 1: You as one of my friend Pin shating of sorts

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Speaker 1: on as I've been dealing with family illness for several

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Speaker 1: days and now so hopefully she's coming around the bend now,

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Speaker 1: shouts to our guy Sean living the dream. I don't

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Speaker 1: have children, so I get sick lest everybody else seems

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Speaker 1: to h that's what happens on the podcast. But we

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Speaker 1: should sit at the top of the show. We are

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Speaker 1: part of foul Territory as a network which check out

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Speaker 1: the entire network, including the flagship show. We cover the

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Speaker 1: Braves here in Hammer Territory. Please subscribe, rate and review.

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Speaker 1: you want to watch us on that platform. We do

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Speaker 1: have three episodes over the holidays. Did a mail bag

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Speaker 1: before the holidays started, did Matt Olsen deep dive kind

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Speaker 1: of in you know, evergreen fashion, and then Scott and

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Speaker 1: I did kind of a state of the free Agent

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Speaker 1: market a few days ago, and really nothing has changed

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Speaker 1: since then, even across the league, Like this is the

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Speaker 1: one time in this calendar so far. I don't know

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Speaker 1: about you, Steve and were, like, the whole league's been

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Speaker 1: pretty quiet, Like it's basically been not that it's been

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Speaker 1: totally shut down for the holidays, but as soon as

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Speaker 1: Christmas Eve hit, basically it got real quiet around baseball

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Speaker 1: and hasn't come out of that yet. Maybe maybe they're

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Speaker 1: until next week, but you know, we'll see what happens.

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Speaker 1: But it's the brains are quiet. Yes, we're all frustrated.

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Speaker 1: Everybody says on every podcast, It's definitely true. But it

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Speaker 1: has been around baseball for a little of the last

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Speaker 1: week to ten days pretty quiet.

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Speaker 2: I would say, Yeah, there was that run on pitching,

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Speaker 2: you know, the Walker, Bueller and a bunch of those

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Speaker 2: But yeah, other than that, it's been very quiet. Just

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Speaker 2: been rumors and not much else. And obviously, as a

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Speaker 2: brace fan, we basically don't even get rumors.

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Speaker 1: So there's there's one kind of pseudo one we'll get

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Speaker 1: to in just one second. But you're right, the Braves

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Speaker 1: are not a good rumor team. I wish they were

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Speaker 1: for our sake, Steven, I always say this, but like

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Speaker 1: I think, if I was in front office, I would

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Speaker 1: digger like Alex seems to like. As a content creator,

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Speaker 1: I would love some rumors. Wouldn't it be great if

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Speaker 1: we just had constant rumors like some of these teams do,

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Speaker 1: like you know I did. We did the show with

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Speaker 1: It was great. I love that as a contaent guy.

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Speaker 1: But I think Alex is better. I think Alex is

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Speaker 2: Right. One is good for baseball and one is good

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Speaker 2: better you control it, the better you are. So I don't,

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Speaker 2: I don't. I don't blame him at all for running

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Speaker 1: So it certainly does. There is one ripple. It's not

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Speaker 1: This is similar in that vein John Hayman of I

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Speaker 1: thirty one years old, perhaps, But Steven, when I kind

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we're on the same page, Like you know,

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Speaker 2: So but at the moment, he's not on the team

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Speaker 1: He's the one guy of that crop of you know,

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Speaker 1: back back and rotation guys who has no options left.

430
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Speaker 1: And if he and Anderson, like, I don't think he

431
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Speaker 1: should be guaranteed their rotation spot by any means, Like

432
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Speaker 1: he's gonna be fighting for his life in spring training,

433
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Speaker 1: one would imagine. And then they're guys that do have options,

434
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Speaker 1: but they're on the forty man. People don't recognize either.

435
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Speaker 1: You know, Brian day La Cruz, who we did a

436
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Speaker 1: funny episode about recently, Carlos d Rodriguez, quadruple a position player,

437
00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:02,159
Speaker 1: Connor Gillespie, Davis Daniel who the Brave just acquired Dimingo Gonzales.

438
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Speaker 1: Like they have a bunch of names of guys who

439
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Speaker 1: people just don't know. So is anybody like starting I

440
00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,439
Speaker 1: guess maybe Ian's worth talking about for a second because

441
00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:16,840
Speaker 1: obviously long time investment guy, had the injuries, pitched in

442
00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:19,760
Speaker 1: the playoffs, top five pick all those things. But like

443
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Speaker 1: it is an interesting thing people probably are thinking about, Like,

444
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Speaker 1: Ian Erson is not in the ability to just like

445
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Speaker 1: ship him off to Quinnette anymore. We've we've passed that point,

446
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Speaker 1: so you could trade him. I think he might have

447
00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:35,520
Speaker 1: some value in a trade to someone that's like a

448
00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,639
Speaker 1: lower end team. It just looks looking for depth, or

449
00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,040
Speaker 1: maybe you just give him one more chance as the

450
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Speaker 1: fifth starter. We don't we don't know what a third

451
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Speaker 1: Brands are gonna add somebody else in the meantime. But

452
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Speaker 1: I found that as we were talking about this episode,

453
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Speaker 1: something to circle, like, hey, just to put this on

454
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Speaker 1: the radar. Guys like Ian's not in the Whinings Dodd

455
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Speaker 1: Elder Smith Shaber group and they can just like ship

456
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Speaker 1: show them to Guinnette. It's decision time, Ollian Anderson.

457
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Speaker 2: Basically, yeah, I mean you know this what we're talking

458
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Speaker 2: about with options is exponentially more important with pitchers, because, yeah,

459
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Speaker 2: pitchers are the ones that you you know, almost never

460
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Speaker 2: do you go full season with five starters, right, well,

461
00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:19,800
Speaker 2: and yeah, you tend to option pitchers, uh regularly, you

462
00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:21,440
Speaker 2: said the seconds to win that regularly, and back and

463
00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:22,840
Speaker 2: back and forth threven the season.

464
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Speaker 1: All the time with Ian, Like, man, Okay, let's get this, Stephen,

465
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Speaker 1: what is the percentage chance that Ian Anderson is in

466
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Speaker 1: rotation all season law, which is the only way that

467
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Speaker 1: he could be on the team without being exposed to

468
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Speaker 1: waivers at some point, would be to be in rotation

469
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Speaker 1: or I guess maybe in the bullpen, which he's never

470
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Speaker 1: really done all year long? Like, is that what's the

471
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Speaker 1: what's the chance of that happening? It seems very unlikely

472
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Speaker 1: to me that would happen.

473
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Speaker 2: I put that in like less than five percent, because

474
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Speaker 2: he would have to pitch well enough to earn that spot.

475
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Speaker 1: I mean, right in spring training, he'd have to he'd

476
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Speaker 1: have to go out and beat out several guys. Now,

477
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Speaker 1: obviously you can be at the quality of these pictures

478
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Speaker 1: and this is not in any order, but he has

479
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Speaker 1: to be better than Smith Shavor in spring, he had

480
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Speaker 1: to be better than you know, Waldrop's a little bit different.

481
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Speaker 1: He's a little bit a little bit further away. But

482
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Speaker 1: also if the Braves bring in another veteran starter with

483
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Speaker 1: I think everyone agrees or we projects that they're gonna

484
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Speaker 1: add a veteran starter of some renownt It might be

485
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Speaker 1: a boring fifth starter guy, but someone else is coming,

486
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Speaker 1: and then you figure that they're gonna have stridterback at

487
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Speaker 1: some point, like man, you're threading a real needle there,

488
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Speaker 1: and yeah, maybe you maybe you dfa him and he

489
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Speaker 1: ends up passing through and hanging around. But I think

490
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Speaker 1: he might be interesting enough where like a team's gonna claim.

491
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Speaker 1: So I'm not look at I probably listen quit not this.

492
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Speaker 1: I'm not the most invested in the innerson. I think

493
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Speaker 1: my projection level on Ian is pretty low as far

494
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Speaker 1: as like what I'm expecting him to do in the

495
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Speaker 1: majors moving forward compared to what I've seen from fans.

496
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Speaker 1: But I mean, you just answer the question, like if

497
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Speaker 1: you think he can't be in the rotation like opening

498
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Speaker 1: day and there it's a weird spot because you can't

499
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Speaker 1: send them in the minors without saying everybody we're sending

500
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Speaker 1: them the miners DFA come get him. It's weird.

501
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, even if the Braves don't make even

502
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Speaker 2: if the Brigs don't add a starter, right, the odds

503
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Speaker 2: of him being up in Atlanta are very small. Like,

504
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Speaker 2: I think there's a better chance Ian Anderson gets traded

505
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Speaker 2: between now and spring training than I do he's going

506
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Speaker 2: to be a significant part of the rotation in twenty

507
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Speaker 2: twenty five, because I mean it's the exact same thing

508
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Speaker 2: as the Griffin Canning problem, Like, if you don't have options,

509
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Speaker 2: you cannot be a part of the shuttle. And if

510
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Speaker 2: you can't be a part of the shuttle, then you

511
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Speaker 2: have to be good enough to hold a spot all

512
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Speaker 2: year long year yep. And the odds of that happening

513
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,960
Speaker 2: are just tiny. I mean Ian Anderson, forget the injury stuff,

514
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Speaker 2: just on the pitching side. He hasn't been good enough

515
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Speaker 2: to be in the majors in three four years. I mean,

516
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Speaker 2: the odds of him being good enough to hold down

517
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Speaker 2: a rotation spot for not only spring training, but for

518
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Speaker 2: six months of a season are just tiny. They're tiny.

519
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Speaker 2: And I don't think the Braves. I don't think the

520
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Speaker 2: Braves are counting on it, and I think he would

521
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Speaker 2: absolutely be included in trade if the Brave's got anything

522
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Speaker 2: of use in return, because you look at this whole

523
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Speaker 2: forty you know, in its totality they need to clear it.

524
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Speaker 2: They probably do need to clear a couple of these

525
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Speaker 2: guys because it's just too many. And ian erst it

526
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Speaker 2: would be at the top of the list.

527
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I don't mean to center on him too much.

528
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Speaker 1: It's just that he's the most relevant because he's the

529
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Speaker 1: biggest name, but also because he might have some value

530
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Speaker 1: and he's relatively young still. I think he is what

531
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Speaker 1: is he just now? He's still twenty six and twenty

532
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Speaker 1: seven in May. But you're right, like onmer top five pick. Yeah,

533
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Speaker 1: I mean, but as a reminder, I think people know

534
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Speaker 1: this for the most part, he he has a pitch

535
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Speaker 1: in the majors at all since twenty twenty two, so

536
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Speaker 1: it's been a long time. This last year he was

537
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Speaker 1: helping out to make I think he made fifteen starts

538
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Speaker 1: in the minors. He wasn't bad, but he wasn't incredible

539
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 1: by any means in Gwinett as a twenty six year old.

540
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Speaker 1: So uh, yeah, I think that you know, he's not

541
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Speaker 1: gonna bring you some massive return in trade. But yeah,

542
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Speaker 1: And if you're asking me, what's more likely he gets

543
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Speaker 1: put in a trade as a filler, not like a

544
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Speaker 1: zero in a trade, but as part of a trade,

545
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Speaker 1: or he's in the rotation in April, I would say

546
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Speaker 1: trade is more likely pretty easily.

547
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Speaker 2: And I think I will I'll say this because the

548
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Speaker 2: other guy on the pitching side is Perdomo. Yep, he's

549
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Speaker 2: got a very good chance to be in the bullpen

550
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Speaker 2: because he doesn't have a like when you're when you're

551
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Speaker 2: a bullpen piece, it actually sometimes works in your favor

552
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 2: because you're more likely to get the spot than the

553
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Speaker 2: guy does and stay and stay there like hey, and

554
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:37,920
Speaker 2: unless you get hurt or whatever. Like and by the way,

555
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Speaker 2: if you're someone like Perdomo, maybe you earn a bullpen

556
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Speaker 2: spot coming out of sprint train. Maybe maybe you're a

557
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 2: seventh guy in the bullpen. If you get hurt or

558
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,199
Speaker 2: you just don't pitch, well they'll just do it fa

559
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Speaker 2: you and that's the end of that. Like, it's very

560
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Speaker 2: it's very clear. And Pardoma they have like a relationship

561
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Speaker 2: with I mean, just to put up don't even know

562
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Speaker 2: who he is. He's thirty years old, by the way,

563
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Speaker 2: but he didn't pitch last year at all. He was

564
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Speaker 2: good actually in the in the Majors with the Pirates,

565
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Speaker 2: and I think it was was the twenty twenty three. Yeah,

566
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Speaker 2: he was pretty good in the Major which is why

567
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Speaker 2: the Braves probably have interested in him.

568
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Speaker 1: He's he's got hurt.

569
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Speaker 2: Hurt all last year.

570
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Speaker 1: Yeah, hurt all last year. The Braves, by the way,

571
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Speaker 1: brought him in while he was hurt, Like they knew

572
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 1: he was hurt. They brought him in. It was a

573
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Speaker 1: project for twenty twenty five basically, and so the relationship

574
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Speaker 1: to the fan base is not there with him and Ian.

575
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Speaker 1: But you're right, it's it's so much cleaner and so

576
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Speaker 1: much more likely that he's in the bullpen opening day

577
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Speaker 1: than it is that Ian would be in the rotation.

578
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Speaker 1: And they are the two guys of the pitchers that

579
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Speaker 1: we're talking about here who are truly out of options.

580
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Speaker 1: Then you have the rule five you mentioned before Anderson Polar,

581
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Speaker 1: But it's there's two guys out of options as pitchers

582
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 1: the position players. It's like they're all kind of the same.

583
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Speaker 1: They're not the same, but you know what I mean,

584
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: it's the it's the trio of Nick Allen, Eli White,

585
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Speaker 1: and Luke Williams, any of whom could be player twenty

586
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Speaker 1: six on the roster in April. But they they can't

587
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Speaker 1: all be there, like one of them, I mean, maybe

588
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 1: two of them, but I would say probably only one

589
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Speaker 1: of them on the roster to open the season. I

590
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,160
Speaker 1: don't have a prediction as to who that's going to be. Steven,

591
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 1: maybe you do between go ahead and way on a field,

592
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 1: but just saying like that means you're probably gonna move

593
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Speaker 1: on either via DFA or trade from at least one

594
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Speaker 1: of these three, if not two.

595
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Speaker 2: It just comes down to, like do they add in

596
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Speaker 2: the outfield? Do they add to shortstop? Because if like

597
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Speaker 2: let's say they add to shortstop, that pushes you know

598
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Speaker 2: that that pushes Orlando Arcia to a bench roll, which

599
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 2: pushes somebody else off of a bench roll like a

600
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Speaker 2: Nick Allen.

601
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Speaker 1: Like I said, Nick Allen only has one role and

602
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 1: it's back up middle infielder.

603
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Speaker 2: So increasing and Christian Cairo has to be on the

604
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,239
Speaker 2: roster or he doesn't have to be. But if they

605
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 2: he has to be on the roster, he has to

606
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Speaker 2: be opened up the waivers because he was a real

607
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 2: five pick, so you know that probably doesn't help Nick Allens.

608
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 2: You know you could and again the same thing with

609
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Speaker 2: the outfield, like, do they add like Brian day La Cruz. Yep,

610
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,120
Speaker 2: you know he's he's actually a major league player, he's

611
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 2: playing the majors for a long time now, but he's

612
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Speaker 2: on a split contract, he's on a non guarange contract.

613
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 2: But if they don't add another outfielder, then you feel

614
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 2: pretty good about the chances of Brian Daila Cruz being

615
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 2: on the roster, especially since Acuna is not gonna be

616
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 2: their opening day. But if they add another outfielder, you know,

617
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 2: it opens up, it all opens back up again, and

618
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 2: he might be at risk of being DFAD as well.

619
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Speaker 2: So a lot of it's good. You know, for the

620
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 2: position players, it's not as nearly as important because you know,

621
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 2: they don't get shuttled like the pitchers do. But for

622
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 2: these guys, they don't have options. It can't be optioned,

623
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 2: like the Rule five guys, they're one signing away from

624
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 2: from being out of a job. And if that.

625
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 1: Even I mean that's the thing, like, even if they

626
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 1: don't do anything else, which we think they're probably not

627
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: gonna do. They're not keeping all of Alan White and Williams.

628
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 1: There's no chance. And Nick Allen, I think we talked

629
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: about when when the Braves acquired him. Uh, he is

630
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 1: one of the worst hitting profiles I've ever seen ever

631
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: for am edge leaguer. Uh. And that's unfortunate. But you know, look,

632
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 1: he's a perfectly harmless backup middle infielder. But if they

633
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:59,360
Speaker 1: don't need that guy, if that's Orlando for instance, instead,

634
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: like he is no role in Atlanta. And maybe you

635
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 1: also on these guys, it's easier to DFA them and

636
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: have them maybe and it's still end up in Guinette.

637
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 1: That's happened before with I think multiple of these guys,

638
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 1: like they end up just going back to Gwinnett because

639
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: somebody wants them, nobody claims them. So anyway, that's the

640
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: long and short of it. Like you got you know,

641
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: Rodriguez has options too. And look some of these guys,

642
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Speaker 1: the guys that have options, they just spend the year

643
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: in triple A a lot of the time. Like it's pretty,

644
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 1: it's pretty, it's pretty cut and dry. But the forty

645
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: man also can get full. I mean it's full right now.

646
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Speaker 1: There are I think maybe the last thing we'll talk

647
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Speaker 1: about briefly here. Space opens up when you get to

648
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: spring training, because then you can go ahead and put

649
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: guys on the sixty day Again, we know of one

650
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: player already, Jojamanez is gonna be on sixty day IL

651
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: as soon as he's allowed to be. So that's that's

652
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: one spot, and then other other injured players or whatever.

653
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: So like there's more roster flexibody when once you get

654
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: into like mid to late February than there is right now.

655
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: And look, if the Brakes want to sign someone today

656
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Speaker 1: to a contra, they want to have any trouble creating

657
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: a forty man spot. I've seen that like consternation. I

658
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: don't know if people are trolling or what, but it's like, well,

659
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: the forty man's full, and they will figure out a

660
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: way to not have to be a impediment to signing someone.

661
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: I prompt.

662
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 2: It's one It's one click of a button and all

663
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 2: of a sudden, the forty man is not full anymore.

664
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 2: Like it's it's very easy to clear. I mean, that's

665
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 2: the good that's the one good thing about having so

666
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 2: much kind of fodder, so much friend to so many friends,

667
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 2: roster players. Is that you know you're not short, you

668
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 2: know you're not lacking any number of guys who can

669
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 2: be cut if you want to add a major league

670
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 2: piece and the bread Listen, I know there's a lot

671
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 2: of I know there's a lot of inks, and I

672
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 2: know every day it grows, and I know every single

673
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 2: day people get mad at matter. I still am firmly

674
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 2: try to say this from the beginning. I am still

675
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 2: firmly in the camp. I think they're gonna spend money.

676
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 2: I think they're going to add. I'm stunned that they

677
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 2: haven't done anything in terms of a major addition as

678
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 2: we sit here on January second, like I'm I'm genuinely

679
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 2: stunned at nothing has happened. But I think they're gonna add.

680
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 2: And when they do add, they will have to cut

681
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 2: guys off the forty. You can only have forty guys

682
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 2: until the sixty day opens back up in the middle

683
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 2: of February, so they'll have to cut guys, and these guys,

684
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 2: a bunch of these guys will never see the light

685
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 2: of day, may maybe not even see spring training for

686
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 2: the Braves. But you know, they teams just add guys

687
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 2: when they when they like something, and they have a spot,

688
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 2: they add guys knowing that if they add somebody better,

689
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 2: they can cut, they can cut them later. It's it's

690
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 2: it's there's no harm.

691
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: So it's very low risk. That's such a good point.

692
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: We've questioned and made a lot of these. It's like

693
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:36,719
Speaker 1: very very low risk. The Braves just like, all right,

694
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: this guy's available on a spot deal or they can

695
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: get him for you know, cash considerations or whatever from

696
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: a team and like take one look at him. Uh,

697
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 1: you know gets it, you know, get a spring fraan.

698
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: But you're right, even before spring training, they might just

699
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: be like, this is guy we're holding on a roster

700
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: unless someone's better is available. They said that player, cut

701
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: cut this player, et cetera. Again, we made fun of

702
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: it kind of with the with the Daily Cruise Soudermerse podcast.

703
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: We were being funny about that. It wasn't actually emergency podcast.

704
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: But he's a good example, like it's sweat contract that

705
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: will stop that from doing anything else. It just won't.

706
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: So anyway, I go.

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Speaker 2: I think I looked it up because I was actually

708
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 2: wondering because the Brakes have like three or four guys

709
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 2: on split contracts right now. If anybody who cares this

710
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 2: is getting deep into roster stuff. Anybody who cares when

711
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 2: guys sign a split contract, the most are the guaranteed

712
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 2: portion of that contract is only like one hundred and

713
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 2: eighty K, which is what they make if they're in

714
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 2: the minors. Yeah, and so I mean one hundred and

715
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 2: eighty k is like it's a quarter of a minimum salary.

716
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 2: It's a lot of money in real life, but in

717
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,479
Speaker 2: baseball one hundred and eighty k is is nothing. So right,

718
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 2: and I and there's a lot of people pissed off

719
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 2: because that's all the money the bridge has been so

720
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 2: far this winter. And I get that, but at the

721
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 2: very least, the risk is very low. Like Brad just said,

722
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 2: it's just it's effectively no risk in baseball terms.

723
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to talk to this a little bit.

724
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: I knew this was coming up with Ianerson in particular,

725
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: but I don't want to go back to that again.

726
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: But like, I think he's someone that Braves fan should

727
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: keep an eye on because they do have the relationship.

728
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: I think, you know, I'm sure you're seeing this too, Stephen.

729
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: I think I'm mostly responsible for monitoring our YouTube comments

730
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: and things of the four of us, but like, there

731
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: are a lot of people that still believe in it

732
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: and Anderson.

733
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 2: It's almost a mirror of the Michael Soroka situation from

734
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 2: last winter he.

735
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: Was coming into it is pretty similar with no options.

736
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 2: Been hurt, but had success in the past that people

737
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 2: still dreamed on, and it ultimately got traded. And I'm

738
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 2: just warning people now, especially people that are in love

739
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 2: with Ian Anderson, do not be surprised if if he

740
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 2: suffers the same fate and is part of the trade,

741
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,719
Speaker 2: because that's that's just that's what happens when you get

742
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 2: to this point you don't have minor league options and

743
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 2: you're not you know, you haven't locked down a spot

744
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 2: on the roster.

745
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's it's not even a there's no

746
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: animacy here. It's just that's it's just a simple math

747
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: game at some point, Like and especially if you don't

748
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: think that, you know, with Soroke, he kind of remade

749
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: his career as a reliever. Now he's gonna start again.

750
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: Just that's we're all rudy for Michael thro by the way,

751
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: we all have been the entire time great guy the Nationals, right, uh,

752
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: And which was kind of surprised because like, hey, you

753
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: got real money, and you know, maybe maybe there's a

754
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: path to Ian in a bullpen somewhere, But I don't

755
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: know if that's the bread the Brays wanted to do

756
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: with him. It's not that Ian anders an episode. It

757
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: just kind of became one for a minute there. But yeah,

758
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: he's the most famous player that we that we talked

759
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: about on this conversation to Braves fans, and I think

760
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: he's maybe the most interesting because of just the logistics

761
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: are involved there. But you know, Allen Eli White's all

762
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: these guys are like.

763
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 2: Soroka Anderson was drafted by the previous regime.

764
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

765
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 2: Always keep out of mind who drafted who got. You're

766
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 2: not nearly as tied to guys you didn't draft.

767
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,479
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, especially when again, he hasn't pitied the Majors

768
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: in a long time, like two plus years of calendar time,

769
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: and last year, like I know, people were clamoring for

770
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: him by the end of the season, but it is telling,

771
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: but he never even got to the majors last year

772
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: when they were falling apart at times the rotation they

773
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: had well and people people also.

774
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 2: Forget he got optioned and then he got hurt. He

775
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:10,919
Speaker 2: got optioned because he was pitching so cool.

776
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 1: He was bad.

777
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't get he He hasn't been gone for

778
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 2: two years because he's been hurt. I mean he has been,

779
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 2: but the reason he's not been on like the sixty

780
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:19,919
Speaker 2: day IL is because he was on the minor league

781
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 2: roster when he got hurt. Because that's how bad he

782
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 2: was pitching.

783
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's again, well, keep an eye on you.

784
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 1: And I think he's he's the biggest name to monitor,

785
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 1: but I won't listen the names again. But there there

786
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: are like, like we said, five or six guys no

787
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: options plus the rule five. So that's seven or eight

788
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: guys that are either have to be on the roster

789
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: or not essentially before and be on the yeah, or

790
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: it can't be on the roster and if they get

791
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 1: to the minors because they passed through waivers the DFA process. So, uh, Steven,

792
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: anything else you want to add on this conversation. It's

793
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: kind of a look, it's to be candid with everybody.

794
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,479
Speaker 1: It's kind of a plug episode. We're waiting for stuff

795
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: to go on. I understand that. I think the seventh

796
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: thing was actually really interesting on some level, but a

797
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: floated out there. We haven't talked about a lot, but

798
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 1: the forty Man was coming thing we were like gonna

799
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,399
Speaker 1: talk about at some point and it became the first

800
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Speaker 1: show of twenty twenty five. But anyone you want to

801
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: ask you, I.

802
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 2: Would love to add something out. I would love to have.

803
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: Something else, Yes, agreed.

804
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 2: Our our our our dms, our daily dms are hysterical

805
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 2: at this point.

806
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 1: But I know I advertised that the other day. I

807
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 1: was like, I will never we'll never share the screenshots.

808
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: But we're the four. But when I said the four

809
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: of us, myself, Stephen, Shawn and Scott are in a

810
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 1: in a group chat and we're we're enjoying ourselves especial

811
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Speaker 1: as we can. What's having here?

812
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 2: So yeah, no, just happy New Year and everybody, of

813
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 2: course you know it's been It was an awesome twenty

814
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 2: twenty four. Obviously, we started the new version of this

815
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 2: podcast in twenty twenty four. The response was unbelievable, has

816
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 2: been unbelievable since we started. So a big shout out

817
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 2: to you guys. You know, we will keep going as

818
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 2: long as we can. Twenty twenty five will be just

819
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 2: like it, and here's to Alex giving us something to

820
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 2: talk about in the next I'm mean, it's got to

821
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 2: be coming. It's got to be coming soon. It's got

822
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 2: to be coming at something. We're running out off season

823
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 2: at some point we are. And you know, Scott and

824
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 2: I put the stake in the ground last week on

825
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:10,439
Speaker 2: the show.

826
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: If it gets to mid February and they haven't done anything,

827
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: we'll go do clear and I'm we will discerate them.

828
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: I volunteered you to do a solo screaming episode in

829
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: mid February if you want to go ahead and do.

830
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 2: I've already written the script for perfect.

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Speaker 1: Don't do anything between none and then all right, that's

832
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: a podcast, everybody, Steven. Where can folks find you? Social

833
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: media wise?

834
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Speaker 2: Yeah, should be Underscore Outliers is the X handle. Technically

835
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 2: I'm on Blue Sky as well. I think I've sent

836
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 2: one post there in like twelve months, so hey, hey,

837
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 2: you're on there, though I'm on there, we have a

838
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 2: podcast to spread around, so yeah, we try to get

839
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 2: them all. But yeah, b Underscore Outliers is the X handle.

840
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,479
Speaker 2: That's where I am mostly, and then obviously Battery Powers

841
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 2: where a bunch of us still right, so check us

842
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 2: out over there. But we appreciate the support on on

843
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 2: harmid territory and the foul too or two guys, it's

844
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 2: been it's been incredible.

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00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,840
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Speaker 1: on college sports. In fact, all four of us hosts

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Speaker 1: have different allegiances, two of which are not Southeastern, two

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Speaker 1: of which are. And I won't mention anything. Look, I

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Speaker 1: wasn't gonna bring it up. I started bring up, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you guys, you know what's going on? Yeah that was yeah,

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Speaker 1: So it's kind of I didn't even think about it

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Speaker 1: Stephen as an Alabama person, so that was an ill

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Speaker 1: timed on our parts. But it's also a bowl game,

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Speaker 1: a non plaoutf ball game in twenty twenty four, So like,

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Speaker 1: I don't really get that invested in a non playoff

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Speaker 1: ball game in twenty twenty four, but one for me

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Speaker 1: I enjoyed.

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Speaker 2: We're a basket, we're a basketball school.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, BAM's a basketball school. That's that's fine. Georgia did

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Speaker 1: a lot of things that they probably would want back tonight.

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Speaker 1: As of course it was competitive. They didn't play terribly,

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Speaker 1: they just made some mistakes. So anyway, Coffeetball's fun. But anyway,

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Speaker 1: we'll have more on this podcast network soon enough. We

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Speaker 1: have a plan. I won't say what it is in

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Speaker 1: case it falls through. We have a plan for a

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Speaker 1: show for Sunday. It'll be interesting if if it comes through,

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