1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,760 Speaker 1: Joining US now in Italian stuff. John Kerry, you are 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Special Presidential Envoy for Climate Secretary. Carry good afternoon. I 3 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: won't repeat that. I won't repeat that. I want to 4 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: start here. This is a delicate time. You're a season diplomat. 5 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 1: We've got wars in Gaza, wars in Ukraine, and seemingly 6 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: from the outside looking in, I think perhaps an inability 7 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: or lack of willingness to restore order. From the US perspective, 8 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: is that what's going on? Can you tell me your 9 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:31,639 Speaker 1: perspective on things? I think it's deeply valuable. Can you 10 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 1: tell me whether you think this is an inability or 11 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 1: a lack of will to restore global order. 12 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 2: Well, I'm not yet out of the job of climate then, boy, 13 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 2: and that's my lane, is dealing with climate. But I 14 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:53,639 Speaker 2: will tell you unequivocally that President Biden, I think has 15 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 2: done an extraordinary job of holding people together in the 16 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 2: midst of a very complicated period of time, perhaps as 17 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 2: complicated as any of us have seen, certainly in recent years. 18 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:10,199 Speaker 2: But if you look at the difficulty of rebuilding NATO, 19 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 2: which is what he had to do after the last administration, 20 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 2: and then holding NATO together with respect to Ukraine and 21 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:27,839 Speaker 2: simultaneously managing several other potentially explosive situations which could lead 22 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 2: to greater conflict, much wider conflict, and I think he's 23 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 2: been navigating that together with Tony Blinkoln an extremely effective way. 24 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 2: These things don't change just like that overnight, and you 25 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 2: need a ripeness to the ability to be able to 26 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 2: negotiate something different. The negotiations in Ukraine, for instance, I 27 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 2: suspect they could get ripe, but they're not yet. Likewise, 28 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 2: in the Middle East, I think the administration has been 29 00:01:56,360 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 2: crystal clear in sending messages to the Prime Minister into 30 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 2: his war cabinet about how they think the operations on 31 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 2: Gaza would be carried out, and it's not with indiscriminate 32 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 2: bombing and the level of deaths that we've seen now. 33 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:16,959 Speaker 2: So I think the President has been very clear here. 34 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 2: But also thank God that he has the years of 35 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 2: experience he has from the Foreign Relations Committee and as 36 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 2: Vice President now as president. 37 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: There's a lot to unpack that, and me just start 38 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: with NATO. You mentioned NATO and rebuilding NATO. When the 39 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:31,799 Speaker 1: former president said what he had to say about NATO, 40 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: he wasn't wrong. There were a lot of members who 41 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: had promised to invest in defense that were falling short continuously. 42 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: Has that changed, It. 43 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 2: Has changed, but it still has to be fulfilled. The 44 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 2: promise has to be fulfilled the two percent. But look again, 45 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:56,399 Speaker 2: we have a myriad of major global challenges. Let's talk 46 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 2: about one of the biggest that doesn't get to a 47 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 2: daily focus of Ukraine or of the Middle East, but 48 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 2: is killing a lot of people. The climate crisis is 49 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 2: killing just air quality alone. We lose about seven million 50 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 2: people a year who die because of the bad air quality. 51 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 2: You look at what's been happening last year twenty twenty three, 52 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 2: the single most disruptive year in history of measuring climate impacts. Fires, floods, 53 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 2: massive rainstorms, greater intensity to storms, the heat which people 54 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 2: can't live in, massive numbers of refugees already, and that 55 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 2: could grow roorse as it gets warmer, which it is 56 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 2: going to because we're not moving fast enough to curb 57 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 2: the impacts of unmitigated burning of fossil fuel. So there's 58 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 2: only one cause of this crisis. It's the unmitigated burning 59 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 2: of fossil fuel. And we in Dubai, the one hundred 60 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 2: and ninety five nations strong, including oil and gas producing 61 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 2: countries including ours, all signed up to transition away from 62 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 2: fossil fuel, to do so in keeping with the science, 63 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 2: which means trying to hold one point five that's a 64 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 2: pretty rigorous standard, to do so, keeping twenty fifty net zero, 65 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 2: and finally to accelerate our efforts in this decade. That's 66 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 2: a pretty big mandate, folks. 67 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:23,359 Speaker 3: At the same time, the US is pumping more than 68 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 3: thirteen million barrels of oil per day. It is a 69 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 3: record amount. It has been credited for offsetting some of 70 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 3: the geopolitical risk. Do you think that that's a policy 71 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 3: failure or policy success. 72 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 2: It's a policy necessity because you obviously can't shut down 73 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 2: the economies of the world and be ridiculous in sort 74 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:47,799 Speaker 2: of saying, oh, okay, you're going to affect demands without 75 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 2: affecting supply. At the same time, you've got to have 76 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 2: a broad approach. That's what the administration is trying to 77 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 2: do for the moment. You have to try to keep 78 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 2: the economy stay and keep the price low enough that 79 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 2: you don't have revolutions and countries all around the world 80 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 2: because the gas prices are ten bucks a gallon whatever 81 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 2: it's going to be so you've got to have some 82 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 2: reason leus, but that has to be accompanied by a 83 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 2: very clear set of policies that are moving in the 84 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 2: direction of this transition away from fossil fuel, that are 85 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 2: therefore deploying renewables faster, that are putting new technologies out 86 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 2: there in order to mitigate If we don't do that, 87 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 2: then it is a mistake and it contributes to the problem. 88 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:34,479 Speaker 2: But I think we're going to do that, and I 89 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 2: think we're doing that already right now. In many parts 90 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 2: of the world, a. 91 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 3: Lot of people talk about what the future is. Joe 92 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 3: Biden's talked a lot about electric vehicles, but we've seen 93 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 3: a lot of companies pull back from electric vehicle production 94 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 3: because there isn't a demand. Do you get the sense 95 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 3: that there is a successful, coherent policy that has been 96 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 3: prescribed by Joe Biden to achieve what you're talking about 97 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 3: while also pumping record amounts of oil. 98 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 2: Yes, there has been a very very clear policy, which 99 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 2: regrettably has been attacked by people who are engaged in 100 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 2: high levels of disinformation. They've been trying to scare people 101 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 2: about the range of vehicles. So there's range anxiety out there. 102 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:15,479 Speaker 2: But in addition, to that. You've had some pullback because 103 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:20,799 Speaker 2: communities aren't moving fast enough to give permitting to deploy 104 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 2: some of the renewables that we need. So you've had 105 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 2: wind farms that were going to be built that have 106 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 2: now taken years longer that was calculated in making the deals, 107 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 2: and people have had to recalculate now how that deal's 108 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 2: going to work. So the answer is we have to 109 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 2: all of us embrace this transition. If we're going to 110 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 2: take five and ten years and have years of litigation 111 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 2: over whether or not you're going to have a renewable 112 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 2: plant somewhere nearby, we're in trouble. We're not going to 113 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 2: get there, and we have to accelerate that. And that's 114 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 2: a lot of the message right here in Davos. 115 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 1: Just to jump in, it's difficult for me to believe 116 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: that the poor EV cells are a consequence of a 117 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: misinformation campaign about range anxiety. Let's take Hurtz not my 118 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,119 Speaker 1: view view of the car rental company. They come out 119 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: and they've got it done, twenty thousand DV carts. They 120 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: don't just talk about rebalancing supplymate demand. They talk about 121 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: the cost to carry. It's really expensive to keep these vehicles. 122 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: It's really expensive to go on buy one. I think 123 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: what we're seeing is a reality check, not just about 124 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: the ultimate destination, but the pace at which we get there. 125 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: A reality check because for most every day Americans, they 126 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: can't afford this. 127 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 2: Let me tell you what's happening. The price is going 128 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 2: down as the price of renewables has gone down. The 129 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 2: price of renewable solar has gone down eighty three percent 130 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 2: in the last years. The price of wind has gone 131 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 2: down fifty percent in the last years. The price of 132 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 2: lithium has gone down something like ninety seven percent of 133 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 2: the last years. And we do need to send stronger 134 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 2: demand signals to the marketplace. Now, we have an entity 135 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 2: here that we've created a number of years ago called 136 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 2: the First Mover's Coalition. We have one hundred of the 137 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 2: top corporations of the world in this First Mover's Coalition 138 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 2: that includes Apple, Microsoft, Salesforce, Boeing, FedEx for General Motors, 139 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 2: a whole bunch of major American and other international companies, 140 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 2: and they have agreed they're going to pay a green 141 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 2: premium voluntarily in order to send a market signal to 142 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 2: have green steel created. Now, Valvo has said we'll buy 143 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 2: ten percent of our steel. It's going to be green. 144 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 2: So they're making green steel. Cement is now on sale 145 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 2: and lafar A's Wholesome last the largest cement deal to move. 146 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 2: They're making green cement and it's better cement. People are 147 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,319 Speaker 2: buying it not because it's green, because it is better. 148 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 2: So we're seeing a movement towards a rational transition with 149 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 2: those biggest companies. And I'll tell you if the CEOs 150 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 2: of those companies can persuade their boards and their shareholders 151 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 2: that this is a value enterprise, then more people are 152 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 2: going to buy into this over a period of time. 153 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 2: This is a transition. It doesn't have to happen overnight. 154 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 2: There will be ups and downs, there will be bumps 155 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 2: in the road, but I'm telling you Eves now there's 156 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 2: efficient level of penetration about ninety two percent Norway, major 157 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 2: levels and China the front page of the Economist as 158 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:27,959 Speaker 2: a big picture of you know, electric vehicles in China 159 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 2: coming in towards the United States, and those are selling 160 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 2: for something like twenty two five hundred bucks, and it's 161 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 2: going to become a bone of contention. You watch, we'll 162 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 2: have some discussions about that. But the point I make 163 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 2: is this will even out over time. General Motors and 164 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 2: Ford and Mercedes and Volkswagen and Hyundai and Toyota. These 165 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 2: companies have all spent billions of dollars retooling their plants. 166 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:55,959 Speaker 2: I'm telling you, O don't care. It doesn't matter who 167 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:59,599 Speaker 2: comes in, whoever the President of the United States is 168 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 2: or public official is. Those CEOs are not going to 169 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 2: suddenly go back and say, oh, let's go back and 170 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 2: we'll make it. Of course not. 171 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 4: They're ready on a plan book. We talk about the 172 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 4: materials to make an electric vehicle, and then negative externalities 173 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 4: of these These raw materials are in Africa and then 174 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 4: they're processed eighty five percent in China. We're talking about 175 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 4: serious manufacturing issues, labor issues, human rights issues. How do 176 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 4: you weigh that against carbon emissions? 177 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 2: Well we always President Biden, I think more than any 178 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 2: president in recent time, has been fighting for the rights 179 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 2: of workers, and he as constantly as you know, referring 180 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 2: to unions and union workers and defending the rights of 181 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 2: workers to be able to do better. So, but those 182 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 2: materials you refer to, sure that we're going to go 183 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 2: through a transition. There's a lot of lithium in Mexico. 184 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 2: By the way, Cobalt Nickel, these are the things we need. 185 00:10:56,280 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 2: They're not all in Africa. And now the National Security 186 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 2: Council of the United States, under President Biden's direction, has 187 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 2: focused in on these critical minerals, and I think you're 188 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 2: going to see the balance of where they come from 189 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 2: and who has them change mostly because of market forces. 190 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 2: The marketplace is going to support this transition. And I 191 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:22,599 Speaker 2: think it's irrevocable. Now there's no question about whether or 192 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 2: not the world is going to get to a low carbon, 193 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 2: no carbon economy. We're going to get there. The only 194 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 2: question is that we're going to get there in time 195 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 2: to not be ravaged by the worst consequences of the 196 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 2: climate crisis. And that's not me talking. That's the best 197 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 2: scientists in the world who have warned us, you've got 198 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 2: to do these things now or it's going to cost 199 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 2: you more down the road. 200 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 4: Let's end on President Biden. There's reporting that you're stepping 201 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 4: down to actually go work for the campaign to get 202 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:52,079 Speaker 4: out the climate vote, the youth vote. How successful do 203 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 4: you think you can be in that position when the 204 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 4: youth think that this is a president that is too 205 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 4: old and too out of touch to lead them well, 206 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 4: especially also when it comes to a farm policy issue 207 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 4: like Gaza. 208 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 2: Very fair, and it's a great question, but let me 209 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 2: begin it by saying, I'm not stepping down in order 210 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 2: to go the campaign. I'm stepping down because I think 211 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 2: that what we've done in terms of the Dubai is 212 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 2: so powerful in terms of encouraging this transition that it's 213 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 2: going to open up a whole new set of opportunities 214 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 2: which are important. And in mind you, I came for 215 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 2: a year, I've been there for three. I think it's 216 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 2: time I will campaign for President Biden. I will certainly, 217 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 2: because the stakes could not be higher for our country, 218 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,679 Speaker 2: for the world. The stakes are as high as they 219 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:44,839 Speaker 2: get and as high as I've seen and of course 220 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,439 Speaker 2: in my public service. So I am going to campaign 221 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 2: very happily because I think he's done a terrific job. 222 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 2: He's shown experience, He's kept us from having a complete 223 00:12:55,880 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 2: breakout of uncontrolled war in many regions. But same time, 224 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 2: he stood up for American values, global values, universal values, 225 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 2: for America's obligations with respect to Ukraine, Middle East and elsewhere. 226 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 2: And if you've listened to Secretary Blincoln and the President 227 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 2: of the last days. They've been crystal clear about expectations 228 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 2: for what needs to unfold in the West Bank, in Gaza, 229 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 2: and I think young people around the world will see 230 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 2: an administration fighting for the rights of people to get 231 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 2: the medicine they need to have to be safe and 232 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 2: for the Palestinian people to have a future, even as 233 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,319 Speaker 2: Israel is absolutely protected as it needs to. 234 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: Be, Secretary Karry, we appreciate the robust exchange. Thank you, sir, 235 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: thank you. 236 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 2: Was that a robust Is that what you call it?