WEBVTT - #302 - Lush 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:02.200 Lush Uno back at it with my pott and to 0:00:02.240 --> 0:00:04.680 play a bootleg keV. This is about to be a 0:00:04.720 --> 0:00:10.400 crazy one. Log in with me. Come on, bhu leg 0:00:10.480 --> 0:00:14.920 cap Podcast special guests in here, Lush, I was gonna 0:00:14.960 --> 0:00:18.040 shave because I figure if I did, it might have 0:00:18.079 --> 0:00:21.520 been even more difficult to distinguish us from one another. 0:00:22.400 --> 0:00:26.040 This is like the Spider Man meme in the flesh. Okay, yeah, so, 0:00:26.680 --> 0:00:29.720 first of all, apologize for calling you corny bro. My 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:32.720 bad for calling you what I called you. I think 0:00:32.720 --> 0:00:38.360 you called me a bam bam bigelow interrexic and I 0:00:38.479 --> 0:00:42.200 jerk off rappers for a living, I understand, manually stimulate them, 0:00:42.240 --> 0:00:48.360 manually masturbate. Yeah nice. Yeah, only a few, only a few, man, Yeah, 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:51.120 because like, honestly, I had to get you. It was 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:54.200 lighthearted and no I saw I saw your comment and 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:56.160 you were and I saw you get me love at 0:00:56.160 --> 0:00:57.840 the end of the interview things. Yeah yeah, like I 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:00.920 legit was rocking with you. That's why I kind of 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:04.200 hurt my heart. You know what I called I only 0:01:04.240 --> 0:01:06.000 saw a couple of things, and I think I just 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:10.680 hated the wrap part of your guys' little Yeah. Yeah, yeah, 0:01:10.959 --> 0:01:12.720 it was just it just wasn't great to me and 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:16.280 the wrap part of our trajectory over there. Yeah, so 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:19.040 how are you doing? Obviously it's been about three weeks 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:21.959 now since everything happened here. Well, it's it's been great. 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:25.240 Wound up securing a caffeine deal. I saw that going 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:28.640 going up right now. Been doing my own pod going 0:01:28.720 --> 0:01:30.640 up right now. No, I saw you've been doing kind 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:34.440 of like more like a mentally like a like a 0:01:34.480 --> 0:01:37.440 podcast that's more geared towards because you're obviously how long 0:01:37.480 --> 0:01:40.280 have you been sober? Over three years? Well, congrats, thank you. 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:43.480 So the podcast that you've been doing is it more 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:48.559 like mental health directed? So there's like it's like there's 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:51.640 different content that I'm doing over there. One of the 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:56.040 podcasts with my boy Kyle is called Ruining Hour, and 0:01:56.080 --> 0:01:59.200 that is geared towards mental health because we're both sober. 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:03.560 Then I have one called Lush World where I'm doing 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:06.360 interviews kind of similar to what you got going on. 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:09.280 Then I'm doing streams as well. So the stream stuff's 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:11.720 on caffeine. Yeah, yeah, well, because rats on that. Yeah, 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:13.560 it seems like you landed on your feet pretty well. Man, yep, 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:15.720 shouts to my boy e K and the ad also 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:19.240 is a little bit instrumental in helping me leverage that situation. 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:22.919 So right, I think, like for anybody who doesn't know, man, 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:26.919 I grew up around everybody in my family's addicts. Everybody 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:30.840 from my dad to my uncle to my cousins. Every 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:34.360 single like big male member of my family was some 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:37.520 sort of addict, crack heroin, I mean, whatever you want 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:42.000 to call it, Right, do you remember, like because I was? 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:45.120 You know, the one thing about being somebody who loves 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:47.960 somebody who's an addict is the most frustrating part is 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:49.800 trying to get them to get clean before they're ready 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:53.000 to get clean. It's almost like you got to kind 0:02:53.040 --> 0:02:55.160 of just let them fall on their face or hit 0:02:55.240 --> 0:02:58.040 rock bottom. What was your rock bottom? See it's weird 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:03.280 because my eating bottom is essential to getting silver. But 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:07.160 for me, there was a series of different bottoms, and 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:10.120 I would think that I hit bottom and then boom, 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:12.680 I go down through the floorboards, and then I'm in 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:14.919 the cellar, and then boom, I go through the cellar 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:17.720 and next thing I know, I'm starting to smell sulfur 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:21.640 and I'm approaching the seventh layer of hell, And yeah, 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:23.480 what was that what was the seventh layer of Heil 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:26.440 rock Bottom? Were you sucking dick? You never suck no 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:30.440 motherfucking dick. Hell no, he was like, and then I 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:32.280 realized what I was on my knees about to blow 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:35.960 this truck or for no no, no, no, no, no, 0:03:35.960 --> 0:03:42.360 no no, just you know, pitiful incomprehensible demoralization, just lying 0:03:42.760 --> 0:03:46.640 like being a strange for my family, my friends. You know, 0:03:47.240 --> 0:03:50.800 I've experienced anything you pretty much could besides sucking dick. 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:55.000 You know, I've been been shot at, being stabbed, be incarcerated, 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:58.360 overdose a group of times, had hits all my life. 0:03:58.600 --> 0:04:01.160 So you know, yeah, I got one cousin of mine 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:04.920 who in and out of jail's whole life has overdosed 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:08.160 over and over. He's been stabbed, he's been shot. I 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:11.880 mean this, dude, it's it's crazy, and it's like then 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:13.800 my uncle Scott. Shout to my uncle Scott, who just 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:15.640 got out of prison for the fucking ninety eighth time. 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:18.760 He just messaged me on Facebook. I could shot Uncle Scott. Man, 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:21.479 welcome home, Scott. Come on, He's like, I promise you 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:24.880 this my last time, Kevin. I hope everything's all round like, bruh. 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:26.640 When I was a kid, this dude used to come 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:29.279 to my house because he was tweaking so fucking hard, 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:31.400 running around with the Hell's angels. This motherfucker would be 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:34.120 sitting at my sink picking his fucking face thinking there 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:38.320 was bugs in his fucking tweaking. Yeah, so I used 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:40.880 to go into the bathroom be fucking blood everywhere. Then 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:43.480 my other uncle and aunt, we used to go to 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:45.200 their house to play with my cousins, and all the 0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:49.280 fucking spoons were burnt. Yeah, it's a fucked up life, man, Yeah. Yeah, 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:52.520 that attic life is serious and for you, like, because 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:54.839 there's a few different ways. Obviously there's like did you 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:57.320 go through AA or NA rather Well, yeah, I'm in 0:04:57.320 --> 0:04:59.960 a twelve step program, but I did go to treatment 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:04.839 as well. And when I agreed to go to treatment, 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:08.320 I had pretty much gotten to the point where I 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:10.599 felt like I had no more moves the bus. I 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:15.000 had already exhausted all my resources. You know, anybody that 0:05:15.080 --> 0:05:17.440 was foolish enough to still be close to me, my 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:19.640 fiance at the time, any of my friends, they were 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:22.000 like not fucking with me, and it was either that 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:26.200 or pretty much die. I had no other options, and 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:29.400 I've been in a lot of treatment centers over the years. 0:05:29.640 --> 0:05:31.480 The first time I was sixteen, you know, I went 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:34.160 to Juvie got arrested for the first time at thirteen. 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:41.440 The spot that I went to was for chronic relapsers. Basically, 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:43.680 it's like, if you don't get sober, here, it's a 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:46.279 wrap for you. This is the last stop on the train. 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:51.160 And I thought that I qualified as a chronic relapser. 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:54.880 But then I realized I've never actually relapsed because I 0:05:56.200 --> 0:06:00.599 never made an earnest attempt at sobriety in my life. So, yeah, 0:06:00.720 --> 0:06:03.320 one of my uncles, my uncle Rocky, has a drug 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:06.960 rehab called he was a huge heroin addict. He used 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:11.400 to shoot up right here, damn yeah, because yeah, and 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:13.240 he didn't want anybody to see us. He was shoot 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:17.000 up in his fucking eyelids. But this motherfucker got clean, 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:20.760 started a drug rehab and then when I was like sixteen, 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:23.279 I started working for him in like a Dennin can store. 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:25.560 But he had the same type of program called the 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:28.320 Herd six program, and it was all people who they 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:30.960 were like on their last they were like habitual relapsers. 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:35.080 And man, so I was like fifteen sixteen working in 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:37.159 a fucking Dennin can store, just with a bunch of 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:40.760 fucking recovering dope fiends. Then I turned eighteen and I 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:44.760 got a job running his consignment car lot. Literally every 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:49.279 employee was a fucking freshly recovered drug add So I 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:53.119 was babysitting dope fiends at eighteen years old. That man 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:57.600 crazy life. Shout out to everybody's who's staying clean? So 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:01.160 for you, was it like, because I always hear like 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:05.839 there's because you know, nowadays, especially being in Cali, there's 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:10.000 like weed, there's there's psychedelics, there's California sober correct, right, 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:13.280 so for you, you're sober sober. Yeah, I can't fuck 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:15.040 with none of that ship. So if you smoke weed, 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:16.520 you feel like it can kind of be a gateway 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:19.040 for I don't want to tempt fate, you know, Like 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:22.000 I'm still high. I've donet smoke so much weed in 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:25.320 my past right to the point where like I have 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:28.679 no like, I have no desire to even try it again. 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:30.920 You know, who knows in the future. I just know 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:33.680 for right now, for today, I'm not fucking with it. Yeah, 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:36.240 I just there was somebody I just saw on Joe Rogans. 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:40.000 They're they're cleaning sober, but they were like considering trying. 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:43.679 I think ayahuasca. Yeah see, like you know I've already 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:49.880 had them psychedelic, You've already experiences. There's no real if 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:52.200 I would do that for me, that would be your relapse. 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:53.920 Because I just want to get high. I just want 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:56.120 to get outside my body. But that's nothing that I 0:07:56.160 --> 0:08:01.400 can attain with, you know, prayer, meditation, I can do 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:04.800 all that and reach that same level of consciousness as 0:08:04.800 --> 0:08:07.000 to where I don't need were a lot of your 0:08:07.000 --> 0:08:08.920 friend's family, I know I saw some of the fans 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:10.920 or maybe a little worried that with the situation that 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:13.360 just happened to a no jumper, that you your sobriety 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:16.920 might have been in question, or you might have maybe 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:18.880 gotten mentally hit by it, or did it did it 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:20.800 bother you in that way? Were you able to kind 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:22.960 of get through it. I was able to get through it, 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:25.560 by the grace of God. However, I will say the 0:08:25.720 --> 0:08:29.640 closest I've gotten to relapsing, the only time I was 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:34.880 like considering it, really considering it, was after Adam kicked 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:38.160 me out that day and I was driving around the valley. 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:42.080 You feel me like driving around the valley not stopping 0:08:42.400 --> 0:08:43.960 because I knew that if I stopped, I was going 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:45.960 to go to a liquor store and get on and 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:48.480 get I get something, get me a little bottle and 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:50.640 get it. That day, that day, what was it that 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:53.000 made you? What did you call? Do you have a sponsor? 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:54.840 I do have a sponsor, and I call my sponsor 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:58.559 and like that was between him that's dope and people 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:00.160 that are close to me, they want up talking you 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:03.760 off the ledge. And I realized, Nam, yeah, not how 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:05.959 I want to move. But yeah, no, it was really 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:09.000 it got dark. Yeah, dude, I mean I can only 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:13.320 imagine because I do see, like even just being on 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:15.640 the show the day, because I got hit up the 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:20.120 day then all that happened. We were at lunch and 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:23.520 because you'll film the next day, right the next morning. Yeah, 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:26.080 and we're at lunch and Adam just hit me. He's like, hey, 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:28.520 this is what happened. You're down to be a guest 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:30.200 on the show tomorrow. Just I just need a fill in. 0:09:30.320 --> 0:09:32.040 I was like, yeah, whatever, I've been on the show before. 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:33.600 I was like, cool, I got you, bro, Like Adam's 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:36.160 always been super stand up with me, you know. And 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:40.160 but then I really like didn't really really realize like 0:09:41.000 --> 0:09:44.160 oh eighties about because eighty called me and eighty talked 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:45.880 and he was like, dude, I'm about to quit, right 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:49.240 And I was like Jesus Christ, like what am I 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:53.120 walking into? And then everyone assumed I'm like the permanent 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:57.000 new guy on the show, right, So well, you had 0:09:57.040 --> 0:09:58.559 to do that. It is kind of like a New 0:09:58.640 --> 0:10:01.760 York version of ad You had like a lush one 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:06.120 Adjason's character. Correct, It's like, oh look, yeah, you're white. Yeah, okay. 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:07.360 It was like, oh, there's a white guy with a 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:11.520 fitted baseball game, right right, yeah, So I think I 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:13.720 just and then I didn't know about the Reddit thing, 0:10:14.440 --> 0:10:16.600 and then I went on Reddit and I was like, 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:21.120 oh this is wild. Yeah, it gets deep. Do you 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:23.880 regret diving into that part of it? Not even for 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:26.960 the result of what ended up happening, but just I 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:30.800 do feel like I could see how going and looking 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:34.800 in that toxic ass thing and seeing everyone's opinion and 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:37.880 just kind of seeing all the negative bullshit that gets 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:41.000 said in there could probably like subconsciously fuck with you. 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:46.480 Well here's the thing, yes, is the short answer. However, 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:50.320 right before I wound up because you know, first me 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:54.240 and Disaster had the our own podcast, Jump On No Jump. 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:55.840 I remember that, yeah, and it was cool, and we 0:10:55.840 --> 0:10:59.280 were just focusing on battle rapping just lyricists, which is 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:01.760 like the lay that I'm in. Another reason why you 0:11:01.800 --> 0:11:04.199 and I are kind of similar. We're both hardcore hip 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:08.280 hop fanatics, you feel me like. And then they wound 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:11.719 up bringing me on the main podcast I'm a No 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:14.959 Jumper show, and then people really took to me, and 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:17.680 I wound up becoming a staple over there or just 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:19.040 one of them. I feel like at one point in time, 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:20.640 I felt like anytime I'd like to see a thumbnail 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:23.160 you were on it was like yeah, absolutely, within the 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:25.960 past six months, I was on that channel more than 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:31.640 anybody else. So what happened was right before I wound 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:35.440 up being brought on to the other podcasts, I would 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:38.319 had hit a low in my life and was very depressed, 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:41.920 going through a lot of changes, and it was just 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:44.480 like down. You know, my my Chicken Eyes split up, 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:49.800 my mom was terminally diagnosed with terminal illness. You know, 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:51.840 my company was going through a lot of changes, my 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:54.880 battle rap league, so I just felt like really unstable 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:57.600 and you know, I was like, damn near suicidal. I 0:11:57.679 --> 0:12:00.320 was suicidal. This is prior to you in disaster, this 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:03.680 is this is after after disaster and I and before 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:10.280 I got right regular. So I was super depressed. I 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:12.960 wound up going on the show. When I'm on there, 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:15.600 I'm like, they're probably not gonna fuck with me, like 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:18.880 the craft, the audience, don't you know. I'm I'm older, 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:21.439 I'm not really in the same vein. There's a lot 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:23.000 of the people on. They're probably not going to fuck 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:25.000 with me. But then all of the comments were like 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:30.760 overwhelmingly positive, and people start bombarding my Instagram and like 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:32.720 telling me to go to the reddit and all that, 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:36.800 And at that point, I was so depressed. The only 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:39.280 thing that was really keeping me going was going and 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:42.920 seeing the positivity you were getting right right at that time. Yeah, 0:12:42.920 --> 0:12:46.280 they're Reddit. The YouTube comments is your social media. So 0:12:46.440 --> 0:12:48.760 that really if it wasn't for that, I don't know 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:51.440 if I would have made it through that dark period. 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:55.840 So I'm I'm grateful to the Reddit for that. However, 0:12:55.960 --> 0:12:58.560 I had to, I should have separated myself at a 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:01.559 certain point, but it because you know my addicts mentality. 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:04.679 It's literally like chasing. I can see how that is addictive. 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:07.920 This validation is you know, sure for for for an addict, 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:09.839 and even just then even because you're a part of 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:11.760 it and you just want to probably just be like, 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:15.080 what are these motherfuckers saying about? Right ABC or D. Look, 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:17.600 everybody over there check the reddit, whether they want to 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:20.240 admit it or not. They like some more than others. 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:23.520 But everybody is is peeping the reddit to some extent, 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:26.200 not like I was. I was actively posting on there. 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:29.120 And then at a certain point when the when these 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:32.320 people in the reddit saw that I was going in there, 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:35.560 like oh well, we could get a reaction out of him. 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:38.120 So then like and then when the when the pendulum 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:41.520 inevitably swings to the other side from that love to 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:44.480 them not fucking with me and dissecting me. And you 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:47.560 know what I mean that right there, I was trying 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:51.320 to win them over and it became like this vicious cycle. Yeah. 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:52.959 I can only imagine, man, because like you know, I 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:54.880 got a family, I got kids, and shit, I'm like, bro, 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:58.360 I would never want to be uh. I mean, I 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:01.679 feel like the type of ship I do. I purposely 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:05.280 don't touch certain shit because I don't want to like 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:07.760 overexpose myself, I guess, and my kids and my girl 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:10.520 and shit. So I even told Adam when all this 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:12.640 shit has been going on the last few weeks, I 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:14.400 was like, Bro, you got some fucking thick skin, brother, 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:17.360 because this shit is crazy. They would have been on 0:14:17.400 --> 0:14:19.800 your last if you had gone over there permanently yet, 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:22.640 but even just like just seeing, like you know, because 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:28.280 I know Adam like could addressed whatever allegations over and over. 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:30.560 So I'm like, Yo, this shit got brought back up, 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:34.080 and I'm like, bro, here's the thing, and I want 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:38.640 your opinion on this. I genuinely believe that if Adam 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:42.240 had not gone on that pod right when I was 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:45.920 on there and fired me in the very unceremonious manner 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:49.400 in which he did, a lot of that shit wouldn't 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:50.880 have happened. I agree, And I think I might have 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:52.680 said something to that effect on the podcast. I think 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:55.080 you might have. Yeah, I did. I did. I did 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:57.960 say something like that. I was like, because I do 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:01.320 think that that moment was so vibe role and it 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:09.120 also highlighted whatever said issues that And I even told 0:15:09.160 --> 0:15:11.120 they do this when he was on here. I was like, 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:13.000 you were planning on leaving because there's no way, thick 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:16.480 skinned ass Ad I know, got so mad about someone 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:18.400 saying he has four jokes that he quit like you 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:20.560 was playing this shit, n But but here's the thing. 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:23.360 Ad for Shoe was there and I've been telling him 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:25.280 he should leave. I told him and t Rail like 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:27.640 you guys should be the fucking La drink champs and 0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:30.280 they and they got their own thing going going really 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:33.640 well for them. Here's the thing. It kind of forced 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:36.400 AD's hand, it did with it being puzzled it was, 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:39.440 and it was also a nice opportunity if you were 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:42.120 planning on leaving already and those wheels already in motion, 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:45.120 it was a nice opportunity to kind of take advantage 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:48.200 of the of the you know, the virality of the moment. 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:50.480 And I think it was mutual. I think that Adam 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:52.800 and No Jumper was wanting to pivot away from that, 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:56.640 considering they already a certain point. It's a conflict of 0:15:56.680 --> 0:16:00.760 interest when there's other podcasts with I don't want to 0:16:00.760 --> 0:16:05.160 say regurgitating but utilizing the same content that you are 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:08.000 and getting more abused for it. I'd assume he probably 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:11.160 regrets firing at the time, and like not to say 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:13.800 that he shouldn't have fired me, but he could have 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:16.560 easily taken me outside. No, I think, and I think 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:18.760 he explained it to me, like, if you catch some 0:16:18.840 --> 0:16:21.920 girl cheating on you and she's at work and you're 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:23.840 in the next room, if you cut your girl cheating 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:26.280 on you, you're gonna be so fucking pissed you're fucking 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:29.120 going in then you're fucking up her job, like, and 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:30.720 I was like, yeah, I get it if like you 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:32.800 guys had that relationship, and he truly felt like what 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:37.240 the fuck? Like it was shortsighted, and that is why 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:41.280 people should not ever make certain decisions when they're emotional, 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:44.640 because you always regret those decisions. But I do think 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:46.960 that had he handled it a little bit, and I'm 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:49.760 sure he would admit the same thing. But here's the thing, Like, 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:52.800 to an extent, and that's what I was kind of 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:54.640 going back and forth in my head, was well, he 0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:57.000 just so mad, and I don't know that was an element, 0:16:57.280 --> 0:16:59.400 but I honestly think that's capped to an extent. It 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:01.640 might be because it was a moment and the reason 0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:04.560 why I think that he thought that he was gonna 0:17:04.600 --> 0:17:07.040 dunk on me, You feel me and everybody was just 0:17:07.080 --> 0:17:10.720 gonna be like, oh, damn, Adam just fucking marked Lush out. 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:13.560 Damn Lush is such a snake, fuck him. And they 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:15.800 were gonna be like, yeah, Adam, you're the man. You 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:19.840 look so cool. Because if if this is something he regretted, 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:22.919 then why did he post it? Not only on the 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:25.200 note collab post. That's the one thing. I the collab 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:27.520 post is crazy. I think I said that at lunch 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:31.919 because I think he said, my boy our showed me 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:35.320 and I was like, oh, he collap posts, so not 0:17:35.480 --> 0:17:37.639 only the no Jumper fans are going to see it, 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:40.800 but his fans, And now he has gotten millions of views. 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:44.840 Ninety five percent of the comments are on his helmet, 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:48.679 Like this is a dude that has stated several times 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:51.800 and this isn't a disc Adham at all, because you know, 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:54.919 ultimately all this aside, I do respect him. You know, 0:17:55.760 --> 0:18:00.480 he said everything is content, everything is fair again, you know, 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:04.320 so I believe he's like fuck it, like, oh, firing Lush, 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:07.560 that's one thing. Let's fire Lush on on the air. 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:10.080 And then it wound up, you know, kind of having 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:15.080 an adverse effect that he hadn't anticipated for you as 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:17.960 short lived, because what you would would you say you 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:21.040 were in a regular on No Jumper from September? Okay, 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:23.320 so about seven or six months? Yeah, six seven months? 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:26.520 Yeah for you, even though it ended the way it ended, 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:30.080 even though there might be bad blood now, it did 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:32.720 change your life absolutely, and it kind of puts you 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:36.280 in a position to kind of explore a new career 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:38.840 path or a new path of like because you've always 0:18:38.920 --> 0:18:42.040 kind of been a personality and ye, but now you 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:44.240 can go and do caffeine. And I'm sure like not 0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:48.040 without No Jumper, those things probably don't present themselves correct, 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:50.840 and who knows the trajectory of life, something else could 0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:52.720 have popped up, you know what I mean. Like, but 0:18:52.920 --> 0:18:56.719 absolutely so, I'm very I'm grateful for what happened. Like 0:18:56.760 --> 0:18:59.760 as far as me, you know, No Jumpers a platform 0:18:59.800 --> 0:19:02.840 that I loved for years. I'm grateful for my boy 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:07.560 Disaster for presenting that opportunity to me and making that happen. 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:10.199 And if it wasn't for that, yeah, I wouldn't be 0:19:10.240 --> 0:19:12.199 doing what I'm doing now. I wouldn't. You know. My 0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:17.040 fan base tripled since I went over there, So it's dope, 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:19.440 you know, but like kind of like you said, though, 0:19:19.480 --> 0:19:23.719 like certain things that were brought about in that conversation 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:27.080 in the moment where he was firing me were things 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:30.439 that weren't even discussed, which wound up biting him in 0:19:30.480 --> 0:19:33.919 the ass further because there was no conversation about salaries. 0:19:34.240 --> 0:19:38.040 Although yeah, was I just kind of stirred up all 0:19:38.080 --> 0:19:41.359 these right? Was I six figures up? Yes? But like 0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:44.080 that was never something I discussed with those people in 0:19:44.160 --> 0:19:46.920 the discord. And then like Trell and these other people 0:19:46.920 --> 0:19:49.640 are like, yo, well hold up, why is buddy over 0:19:49.680 --> 0:19:52.480 here getting paid this and I'm getting paid that? And 0:19:52.520 --> 0:19:54.720 I'm supposed to be the star over here? Like it 0:19:54.920 --> 0:19:57.600 just created a has sold a lot of seeds of discontent. 0:19:57.640 --> 0:20:00.280 Were you making more than everybody over there? I was 0:20:00.320 --> 0:20:02.960 one of the I was one of the higher paid people. 0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:04.960 Or was it like what you and Ad? Probably? Yeah, 0:20:04.960 --> 0:20:07.480 probably something like that. I don't know what everyone gets paid. 0:20:07.560 --> 0:20:09.320 You were also there, though, I mean to be fair, 0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:11.800 While t Rail and Ad were probably the quote unquote 0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:15.440 stars of No Jumper, you probably were there more. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:20:15.600 --> 0:20:19.320 I was. I went four or five days a week. Yeah. 0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:22.960 But the thing is this what happened was due to 0:20:22.960 --> 0:20:27.560 the like when a d was when ad started Community 0:20:27.600 --> 0:20:31.360 and Trail started back on fig. There was no precedent, 0:20:31.480 --> 0:20:34.439 said Adam had no idea that those that was going 0:20:34.520 --> 0:20:35.960 to take off the way there, There was no precedent 0:20:36.000 --> 0:20:38.000 before them to be like I could put these guys 0:20:38.040 --> 0:20:41.840 in a contract, right, and even like, look, I approached 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:44.359 Adam towards the end of last year kind of having 0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:46.720