WEBVTT - Floyd Murder Gives Rise to New Movement

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Bloomberg Business Week with Carol Messer and

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg Quick Takes Tim Stinovic on Bloomberg Radio one year ago,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's hard for me to even get my head

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<v Speaker 1>around it. It's one year ago that we, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>came to know that George Floyd lost his life, um

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<v Speaker 1>and at the killing of a white Minneapolis policeman. You

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<v Speaker 1>have had lots of conversations here at Bloomberg with companies executives.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell us a little bit about kind of some of

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<v Speaker 1>the conversations we're having today one year later. Oh, thanks

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<v Speaker 1>for having me, Carol. Well, it's all about action now.

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<v Speaker 1>Last year, you know, there was a lot of talk,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of pledges, a lot of commitments, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>a good thing. But I think as we've seen work

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<v Speaker 1>from home advanced by leaps and bounds, people want to

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<v Speaker 1>see equity and equality advanced by leaps and bounds. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think people are done with the incremental, you know progress,

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<v Speaker 1>lacial pace of progress. And you know, I'll give it

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<v Speaker 1>to our gen z, the Zoomers, they're over it. They

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<v Speaker 1>want it yesterday, right tomorrow exactly. And it's safe to

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<v Speaker 1>say after, you know, when after George Floyd. Like we

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<v Speaker 1>just talked about, We've had so many conversations. Let's see

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<v Speaker 1>the action. Um, Let's bring in our guests, because we

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<v Speaker 1>have a great guest for us. Uh. He is National

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<v Speaker 1>Urban League President and CEO, Mark Morrel. He joins us

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<v Speaker 1>on the phone in New York City, joining myself and

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<v Speaker 1>our deputy bureauchief, Chartier Brantley here in studio with me.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Mark, nine minutes, seven seconds, that's how long

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<v Speaker 1>it took for George Floyd to lose his life one

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<v Speaker 1>year ago. That revelation of that loss of life was

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<v Speaker 1>seen by the world. So many of us stuck at

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<v Speaker 1>home at the time because of the pandemic pandemic. It

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<v Speaker 1>ignited rage. It's at a protest and a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>soul searching not seen in a long, long time. The

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<v Speaker 1>problem is not new. Where are we today? What have

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<v Speaker 1>we learned? And how much more do we have to go?

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<v Speaker 1>In your view? Well, thank you for having me, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think we should keep in mind that the courage

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<v Speaker 1>of Darnella Frasier, a teenage girl who had the presence

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<v Speaker 1>of mind to pull out her iPhone and tape what

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<v Speaker 1>was happening to George Floyd is the reason we are

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<v Speaker 1>here today. UH. If but for what she did, this

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<v Speaker 1>would have been subject to what so many of these

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<v Speaker 1>police UH incidents UH involved, and that is UH fictitious stories, misrepresentations,

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<v Speaker 1>and lying about what has happened. We see it in

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<v Speaker 1>the Ronald Green case in Louisiana, where the officers said

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<v Speaker 1>that Ronald Green died from a quote automobile accident, Yet

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<v Speaker 1>when the tape comes out, it's clear that they beat

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<v Speaker 1>him to death for no reason. So I want everyone

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<v Speaker 1>to remember that it was the WAYO of the presence

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<v Speaker 1>of mind, and that we need people and citizens to

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<v Speaker 1>have the presence of mind to capture incidents of injustice,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it's police brutality or other types of injustice, by

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<v Speaker 1>being citizens citizen watch dog watchdogs. Having said that, I

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<v Speaker 1>think that the George Floyd moment is a moment that

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<v Speaker 1>accelerated this new movement for social justice, for black lives, mattering,

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<v Speaker 1>for civil rights and economic opportunity in this country in

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<v Speaker 1>a very special way. We're at the beginning of the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning of of of a movement. And it is my

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<v Speaker 1>my hope and it's my prayer that this moment of

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<v Speaker 1>injustice has spurred a movement that will last until the

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<v Speaker 1>work of the movement is done. Because of the way

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<v Speaker 1>in which this movement affected people, I've done radio interviews

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<v Speaker 1>today with radio reporters all over the world and newspaper

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<v Speaker 1>reporters all over the world. The George Floyd incident captured

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<v Speaker 1>the imagination because of the outrage of people not only

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<v Speaker 1>here in the United States from all walks of life

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<v Speaker 1>and backgrounds, but also from people all over the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Having said that the test is going to be whether

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<v Speaker 1>commitments and whether this movement, this protest movement, is going

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<v Speaker 1>to turn into meaningful action. One thing that is so

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<v Speaker 1>critical is the passage of the George Ford Justice and

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<v Speaker 1>Policing Act, which right now is a subject subject of

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<v Speaker 1>sensitive negotiations. But those negotiations are simply because there's were

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<v Speaker 1>councilors in the United States Senate by some to pass

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<v Speaker 1>a meaningful, substantial police reimagination and reform bill, which is

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<v Speaker 1>what the George Floyd Bill is. So we are at

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning of a movement. I believe that young people

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<v Speaker 1>have energized, but that all people are participating in UH

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<v Speaker 1>and and we have to sustain this movement. Mark, are

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<v Speaker 1>you confident the George Floyd Justice and Policing Act will

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<v Speaker 1>be passed by Congress. I'm I'm going to remain optimistic,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm realistic. I understand the nature of the opposition.

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<v Speaker 1>And then what is the nature of the opposition. You

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<v Speaker 1>have certain elements on the Republican side, certain elements who

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<v Speaker 1>do not want to look at the bill on its merit,

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<v Speaker 1>who simply want to see it as just another battle

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<v Speaker 1>in the partisan wars that were involved in would suggest, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we can't give Joe Biden and the Democrats of victory.

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<v Speaker 1>Notwithstanding the fact that the George Floyd Bill and it's

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<v Speaker 1>enumerated provisions, whether it's banning show calls, whether it's giving

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<v Speaker 1>people access to the courts in a meaningful way by

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<v Speaker 1>dialing back qualified immunity, whether it's creating a stronger if

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<v Speaker 1>you will excess, if you supporce criminal statute, and and

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<v Speaker 1>I could continue to talk about provisions. Those provisions are

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<v Speaker 1>supported by the American people. Poll after poll demonstrates that.

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<v Speaker 1>And notwithstanding that this bill now passed by the Congress

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<v Speaker 1>of the United States, the House of Representatives twice, this bill,

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<v Speaker 1>now with the full support of the President and the

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<v Speaker 1>Vice President, is still subject to difficult negotiations because of

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<v Speaker 1>this antiquated old school rule called the Senate filibuster. Speaking

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<v Speaker 1>of the corporate community, mark, are you disappointed in them

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<v Speaker 1>for not taking a firmer stance? There's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like doctrines put out a lot of words said.

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<v Speaker 1>But do you feel like the corporate community has really

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<v Speaker 1>stood up uh and really come out like they should have?

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<v Speaker 1>UM after George Floyd. So the corporate community is not

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<v Speaker 1>a monolith. It's not a unified group. UH. There are

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<v Speaker 1>many who UH spoke out forcefully, who have made meaningful

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<v Speaker 1>and substantial commitments. There are some which put out perfunctory statements,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's some that have done nothing. I believe that

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<v Speaker 1>those that have, and I would point to, uh the

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<v Speaker 1>actions of the Business Roundtable as being you know, fairly

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<v Speaker 1>significant to the extent that these commitments are lived up

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<v Speaker 1>to and follow through on. It's gonna take three to

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<v Speaker 1>five years to make those kinds of determinations. But let's

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<v Speaker 1>look at the corporate community and not look at it

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<v Speaker 1>as a MONOLITHT because I don't think it is a monolist.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think there's a great deal of conviction and

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<v Speaker 1>sincerity among many but the question is always whether it's

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<v Speaker 1>a moment of response, whether it's a complete shift. I

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<v Speaker 1>can tell you that many of the discussions I've had

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<v Speaker 1>even in this week have been about how to increase

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<v Speaker 1>pipelines and talent coming in from the black community, how

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<v Speaker 1>to create a corporate atmosphere which is fairer and more

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<v Speaker 1>equitable and free of racism. Those discussions, and I sense

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<v Speaker 1>in many of those discussions a degree of sincerity, a

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<v Speaker 1>degree of commitment. But the pressure, the movement in the community, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the conversation that has taken place, the attention of people

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<v Speaker 1>like you and the media has to continue. Don't let

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<v Speaker 1>this die, don't let this go away. Well, Mark, you mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, taking three to five years for a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of these long term strategies to be implemented, but now

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<v Speaker 1>is the time. So how do we balance this sense

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<v Speaker 1>of urgency for change today with long term strategies and

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<v Speaker 1>implementation of plans and secession planning and pipeline planning. How

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<v Speaker 1>do we balance that? And Mark just got about thirty

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<v Speaker 1>forty seconds and then we'll come back and talk somewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think importantly passed the George Floyd Justice and

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<v Speaker 1>Policing Act I'd like to see some business leaders step

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<v Speaker 1>up and publicly say this is what we need at

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<v Speaker 1>this point in time to truly meet this moment. Number two,

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<v Speaker 1>step up and push back against this this scourge of

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<v Speaker 1>voter suppression and anti democracy bills that are being introduced

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<v Speaker 1>in past in some states. There are specific things that

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<v Speaker 1>are not partisan, but go to the issues of democracy,

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<v Speaker 1>go to the issues of social justice, where I think

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<v Speaker 1>business leaders, by putting their thumb on the scale, can

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<v Speaker 1>make a significant difference. One thing we wanted to ask you, Mark,

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<v Speaker 1>do we in some odd way, I need to say

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<v Speaker 1>thank you to President Donald Trump for moving or advancing

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<v Speaker 1>the conversation around racism. Uh Donald Trump owes is oh, no,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you. Donald Trump was a counter force, a negative force,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it comes to the issue of racial relations and

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<v Speaker 1>racial conversations and understanding, because in every instance when he

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<v Speaker 1>had an opportunity to bring people together, he divided people.

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<v Speaker 1>And that type of leadership in the presidency is not

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<v Speaker 1>what we've historically had, whether it was a Kennedy or

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<v Speaker 1>a Johnson or even a George W. Bush who helped

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<v Speaker 1>UH to get us to help to pass an extension

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<v Speaker 1>of the Voting Rights Act, but I'm being a little

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<v Speaker 1>provocative here. I'm going to jump in for a second

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm being a little provocative here. But but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Chartie and I have been talking, and I know I've

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<v Speaker 1>had conversations with others that there are more people talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the inequities in our society than I've ever seen before.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think to some extent was whether it was

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<v Speaker 1>some saw the president as a polarizing, you know figure,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I just it just feels like it was

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<v Speaker 1>a different tone, different conversation than I've certainly seen in

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<v Speaker 1>my lifetime. Yes, I mean to hear, but you don't.

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<v Speaker 1>But you don't let me say that you don't thank

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<v Speaker 1>someone for dividing the nation, all right, fair enough knowledge

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<v Speaker 1>acknowledge that his leadership, it that is leadership exposed UH

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<v Speaker 1>and animated racial division in this country. But whether it

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<v Speaker 1>was Charlottesville, which which indeed took place, UH, or the

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<v Speaker 1>condemnation of African American athletes who chose to exercise their

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<v Speaker 1>First Amendment rights, or the condemnation of John Lewis and

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<v Speaker 1>the mocking of him, revered civil rights leader, Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 1>was outside, far outside of the mainstream in the conduct

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<v Speaker 1>of President of the United States. What is clear though,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is what's clear about the George Barton moment.

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<v Speaker 1>This movement began with Trayvon Martin way back in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and twelve. UH, and the the accumulated, the accult

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<v Speaker 1>accumulative impact of Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown into maor

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<v Speaker 1>rights in Sandra Bland UH and Eric Garner. This this

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<v Speaker 1>this long long list of black people killed by the police,

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<v Speaker 1>and in none of the cases with I believe one

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<v Speaker 1>exception that it may have been the Walter Scott case,

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<v Speaker 1>was their conviction or officers held accountable. See, it's important

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<v Speaker 1>for people to understand it's the act, but it's a

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<v Speaker 1>lack of accountability that creates the outrage that the system

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<v Speaker 1>which is designed to hold people accountable when they take

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<v Speaker 1>a life, and they take a life in an unjustified fashion,

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<v Speaker 1>has not worked when it comes to police officers. That

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<v Speaker 1>creates the outrage that creates they the sense that in

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<v Speaker 1>this great nation, UH, this criminal justice system doesn't work fairly.

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<v Speaker 1>It works sometimes, it works for some UH, and many

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<v Speaker 1>argue that it does exactly what it's designed to do.

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<v Speaker 1>So Look, there's no question that the four years of

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump has elevated the conversation around race in a nation.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was Donald Trump's reaction two things that occurred,

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<v Speaker 1>incidents that happened, actions that people took that divided the nation. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and I believe that it is the responsibility of the

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<v Speaker 1>president presidency to uh to have a pathway to try

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<v Speaker 1>to bring people together around racial justice and racial reconciliation,

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<v Speaker 1>which is not as many people want to see it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just a partisan issue. That's the point. These issues

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<v Speaker 1>are issues that go to American values, They go to

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<v Speaker 1>what this country's about, They go to the Constitution, and

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<v Speaker 1>whether some people see them through a part of the lens,

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<v Speaker 1>that is a fundamental problem. So, Mark, how do we

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<v Speaker 1>bring people together? You released the Gumbo Coalition on May

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<v Speaker 1>So the nation still feels so divided one year post

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<v Speaker 1>George Floyd's killing. How do we bring everyone together? And Mark,

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<v Speaker 1>forgive me, just got about yeah, just really look, if

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<v Speaker 1>it starts with dialogue, and it starts with an understanding,

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<v Speaker 1>and it starts with the truth, you've got to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to have a foundation of this is the truth. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>We can have different interpretations, you have different opinions about

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<v Speaker 1>how to move forward, but uh, you know, Bringing people

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<v Speaker 1>together requires two things, a commitment to the truth and

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<v Speaker 1>also a fundamental consensus about the goal. Then the debate

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<v Speaker 1>is about how to get there and where, and that's consensus.

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<v Speaker 1>If you don't have an agreement on the fundamental truths,

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<v Speaker 1>and you don't have a consensus of direction, it's very

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<v Speaker 1>difficult to bring people together. Mark, I know we will

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<v Speaker 1>continue this conversation. Mark Morial, PRESIDENCYEO at the National Urban League,

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much. And Shortiller Brantley, our New York

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<v Speaker 1>Deputy bureau chief of Bloomberg News, also with US