WEBVTT - Whine About It: Downward Dog

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<v Speaker 1>Wind Down with Jana Kramer and I'mheart Radio Podcast. So

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<v Speaker 1>excited to have doctor Chelsea Jackson Roberts on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>She has a blog called Chelsea loves Yoga dot com,

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<v Speaker 1>so she's been a part of the Peloton family within

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<v Speaker 1>their yoga community for two decades. She incorporates hip hop,

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<v Speaker 1>electronic R and B a saana. She's an expert in

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<v Speaker 1>slow flow restorative yoga. She prides herself in creating classes

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<v Speaker 1>that leave her students with a strong sense of belonging

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<v Speaker 1>and accomplishment. Chelsea earned teaching credentials and later completed her MAA,

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<v Speaker 1>followed by her PhD from the Division of Educational Studies

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<v Speaker 1>at Emory University. Really excited to talk to her as

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<v Speaker 1>I have been told to do yoga a time or two.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get her on. So I'm really excited to talk

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<v Speaker 1>to you because whenever I go to therapy, my therapist

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<v Speaker 1>is always like, she wants me to do yoga so bad.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it is. It is one of the things.

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<v Speaker 1>She's given me. Everything in my toolbox and I've done

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<v Speaker 1>every single one of them, but yoga.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And I when I was reading your breakdown, I was like, man,

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<v Speaker 1>this is A. I don't know if my therapist set

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<v Speaker 1>this up or like what she's doing right now, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's interesting and I'm curious to kind of get

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<v Speaker 1>your I obviously you're you know the Star Peloton yoga,

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<v Speaker 1>you know instructor, and I I want to write like

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<v Speaker 1>there's a there's every part of me that goes I

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<v Speaker 1>want to try it. I have tried it in the

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<v Speaker 1>past and just for me personally, and I'm not like

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<v Speaker 1>trying to uh. I don't want to be rude or

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<v Speaker 1>anything like that. I was just like I got bored

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<v Speaker 1>and then I'm just like I can just because I

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<v Speaker 1>stretch after I work out. I liked the hot yoga

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<v Speaker 1>because I felt like at least I was burning. But

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<v Speaker 1>when I'm doing yoga, I go I just feel like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm wasting time and I don't have time to waste

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<v Speaker 1>because I've got two kids, got one on the way,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm and so I struggle with with it. But I've

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<v Speaker 1>heard so many amazing things about yoga m hm that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I really want to try, but it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>how do I block my well, I've got a million

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<v Speaker 1>things I need to do. I'd rather go for a run,

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<v Speaker 1>burn more calories or lift or something like, please tell

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<v Speaker 1>me that my way of thinking is awful and I

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<v Speaker 1>need to stop.

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<v Speaker 2>Not at all, not at all, It's not awful. You

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<v Speaker 2>do not need to stop. I think that the first

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<v Speaker 2>part is that you're acknowledging that there's something that is

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<v Speaker 2>that you haven't a version there. It's just like I

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<v Speaker 2>heard everything that you just said. You said, so it

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<v Speaker 2>feels like a waste of your time. It's like and

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<v Speaker 2>the way that I started practicing yoga was because of

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<v Speaker 2>hot yoga, Like that was I was a hot yoga girl,

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<v Speaker 2>went multiple times a day like that was my jam,

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<v Speaker 2>and it made sense to me. And then it wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>until I started to branch out into some other classes,

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<v Speaker 2>specifically ones that really centered a meditation, and I too

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<v Speaker 2>thought it was the most boring things in the world,

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<v Speaker 2>and I didn't understand why people did it, but I

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<v Speaker 2>saw the result of it. You know, when you meet

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<v Speaker 2>that person, they're not necessarily like this fake happy like this,

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<v Speaker 2>like and even like even preaching like positive mindset, like

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<v Speaker 2>no shade to that, Like, they're not even that. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just like you can just tell that they're like really

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<v Speaker 2>anchored and who they were and I was drawn to that,

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<v Speaker 2>and I met people who coincidentally or maybe not coincidentally,

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<v Speaker 2>they also practiced yoga, they also practiced meditation, and so

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<v Speaker 2>it just made me more curious. I think about other

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<v Speaker 2>things that do not capture my interests, like what you

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<v Speaker 2>were saying about, like I'm gonna get bored. Like in

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<v Speaker 2>most of the time, it is something that is a challenge,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's only this internal challenge, Like it is challenging

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<v Speaker 2>to be still to sit with myself, to know that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm dedicating an hour or even thirty minutes can be

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<v Speaker 2>critical in my day, and it's only to center and

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<v Speaker 2>listen and to feel everything that I've been experiencing. No,

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta go, Like I was terrified that if I

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<v Speaker 2>took too much of a pause, if I took too

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<v Speaker 2>long of a shavasena, I felt like I was going

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<v Speaker 2>to go to this deep dark place and I wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>going to be able to come back out of. Like

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<v Speaker 2>you know, when you have experienced the people who are

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<v Speaker 2>listening may have experienced like crying and shavasena like that

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<v Speaker 2>is normal. That is like one of the most natural

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<v Speaker 2>responses to facing confronting everything that our body has been holding.

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<v Speaker 2>So imagine if that's coming out of us, now, what

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<v Speaker 2>have we been burying inside of us? We aren't really

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<v Speaker 2>resisting being still and listening.

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<v Speaker 1>To Yeah, I could definitely relate to a piece that

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<v Speaker 1>because I remember when I was going on my back

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<v Speaker 1>into church and face journey. I used to like when

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<v Speaker 1>they would do the worship songs, I would be fighting

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<v Speaker 1>back tears and I remember, you know, telling my girlfriend

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<v Speaker 1>kat I, go, why do I always I just feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I want to crash because you're holding something back

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<v Speaker 1>from you. You gotta release whatever that is in you.

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<v Speaker 1>And I could see how that could relate in you know,

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<v Speaker 1>do that pause in that silence.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think that anything that again centers our body,

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<v Speaker 2>our emotions, our experiences, our feelings. I think that anything

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<v Speaker 2>that makes us listen to ourselves is going to tap

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<v Speaker 2>into that part of us, that part in yoga we

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<v Speaker 2>call it kundalini, the part of us that has lied dormant.

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<v Speaker 2>And I always imagine this big experience like this snake

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<v Speaker 2>was going to be I have like this explosion. It

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<v Speaker 2>is as simple as that cry at the end of

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<v Speaker 2>Shivasna and being honest that you've been holding a lot

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<v Speaker 2>like as a mother, as a parent, as a person,

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<v Speaker 2>as a human like all of that, and so same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>That's one of the reasons why I do gospel yoga

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<v Speaker 2>on Sundays is because not because I'm trying to convert

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<v Speaker 2>any body to be anything that they're not or anything different,

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<v Speaker 2>but instead that also happened to me when I first

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<v Speaker 2>heard a gospel choir and I just cried, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was just like, why is this happening? And so the

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<v Speaker 2>same thing can happen with yoga. Care time is one

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<v Speaker 2>of the traditional songs that you hear. There are music

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<v Speaker 2>that you hear in traditional yoga and meditation spaces. I

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<v Speaker 2>have no idea what they're saying a lot of the times,

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<v Speaker 2>like I know what certain words are, but there's a

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<v Speaker 2>resonance that goes beyond language, that goes beyond the barriers

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<v Speaker 2>that actually can was disconnected, and I think music in

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<v Speaker 2>particular is a way for us to find that commonality.

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<v Speaker 2>And also it can be quite emotional for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's interesting too on the meditation side, because again,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, my therapist was always like yoga, meditation, like

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<v Speaker 1>and goodbye. And so when I met my fiance, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he's he would be like I like to do like

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<v Speaker 1>a five to ten minute meditation. So I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's cool. And one day he asked me to

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<v Speaker 1>do it, and I was like, uh sure, Like okay.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the best five minutes ever. I felt recentered,

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<v Speaker 1>I felt balanced, I felt like I had I had

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<v Speaker 1>more energy. And so now when he asked me, I

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<v Speaker 1>get more excited about it, where I'm like, hey, you

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<v Speaker 1>want to do that like five minute ten minute meditations?

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<v Speaker 2>About started off with five minutes with you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, It's almost like he knew that I couldn't handle thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, he sounds like he's a great meditation teacher, because

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<v Speaker 2>I think that that is the who doesn't want to meditate.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that we are definitely in the era like

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<v Speaker 2>the soft life, like the wanting the things to like

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<v Speaker 2>the presentation on TikTok, like get ready with Me, it

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<v Speaker 2>just looks so immaculate. I live for all the satirical

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, like get ready with me after three

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<v Speaker 2>hours of sleep, and you know it's like that. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think that the more that people are honest with

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<v Speaker 2>the journey that it took for them to lead up

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<v Speaker 2>to a meditation, that may last thirty minutes even but

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<v Speaker 2>it's not always as beautiful, like I'm not just walking

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<v Speaker 2>floating around our space. You know, it's hard, it's there

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<v Speaker 2>are those days that I don't want to sit down

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<v Speaker 2>at all, and I think that, Yeah, the way that

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<v Speaker 2>we see it portrayed is that it's just it should

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<v Speaker 2>be easy. It's not. It's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So walk me through what would be your advice

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<v Speaker 1>to get me started into your class's yoga mindset?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that you started off really great and

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<v Speaker 2>strong by just getting a sneak peek into it for

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<v Speaker 2>five minutes, just like any workout, because meditation is a workout,

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<v Speaker 2>please believe it. I don't want to overwhelm myself, burn

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<v Speaker 2>myself out. Go wait, train, go get on the bike,

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<v Speaker 2>go run to the point where I'm just like I

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<v Speaker 2>can't do this for the next ten days. And so

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<v Speaker 2>the first thing I say is start with that five minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>Start with a deep breath that lasts for thirty seconds,

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<v Speaker 2>like so that you don't overwhelm yourself and tell yourself

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<v Speaker 2>that this is too hard. Right, So that's number one.

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<v Speaker 2>Number two is tap into the curiosity that led you

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<v Speaker 2>to say that you wanted to try meditation in the

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<v Speaker 2>first place, and just know that it doesn't have to

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<v Speaker 2>be perfect, just simply showing up to say I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>have my cushion, I'm gonna try my best to close

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<v Speaker 2>my eyes. Like you're already setting your intention for it

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<v Speaker 2>and the next time you come back, maybe it'll last

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit longer. And for me, I just like

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<v Speaker 2>to integrate it. I'm all about practicality, Like if it's

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<v Speaker 2>not practical again, I'm a new mom and I'm realizing

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<v Speaker 2>how thank you and thank you for paving the way.

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<v Speaker 2>I know the Witch's meeting for the first time, but

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<v Speaker 2>now that I'm here, I look at parents in general,

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<v Speaker 2>where I'm just like, y'all were doing yoga well before

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I even knew what yoga was. And so

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<v Speaker 2>that's a part of the meditation to integrate it into

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<v Speaker 2>your life in a way that's so practical that it

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<v Speaker 2>just makes sense that, oh what I need to have

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<v Speaker 2>this tough conversation with someone that I've been dreading having

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<v Speaker 2>that I go to the meditation that I did the

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<v Speaker 2>day before. Right, it's not supposed to be in isolation

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<v Speaker 2>where it's just like, uh, I'm doing yoga. This is

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<v Speaker 2>yoga for thirty minutes. No, the yoga begins when you

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<v Speaker 2>step off of the mat or when you're just trying

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<v Speaker 2>to get to the class and someone cuts you off

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<v Speaker 2>in traffic like you wanted to make sense. And so

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<v Speaker 2>when you think about this is a waste of my

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<v Speaker 2>time in the thirty minutes, And I'm talking about myself

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<v Speaker 2>because that's who I was and still am sometimes honestly

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<v Speaker 2>to where it's like, But I know that in the

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<v Speaker 2>long run, whatever I'm learning about myself, about my body,

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<v Speaker 2>about my relationship to challenge to celebration, like whatever that

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<v Speaker 2>relationship is, it's going to be all the more I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to be all the more aware when I encounter

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<v Speaker 2>it out into the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. I mean, I've never wanted to do yoga so much, Right,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I want to do it right. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>let's do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I let me go to my peloton app

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<v Speaker 1>right now and right because now I just we all

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<v Speaker 1>need that pause.

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<v Speaker 2>We do yeah. And I say, for the folks who

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<v Speaker 2>you know you asked about my class, I always want

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<v Speaker 2>to say, what makes it unique is the music for me?

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<v Speaker 2>And what I like people to know that I've been

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<v Speaker 2>waiting for you, whether you are into trap yoga, whether

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<v Speaker 2>you're into country, I've done it all metal yoga, like

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<v Speaker 2>whatever it may be. I want you to understand that

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<v Speaker 2>we've been waiting for you. So if you are that

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<v Speaker 2>person who's just like, yeah, this is so boring, I

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<v Speaker 2>try doing that to a little UZI Bert and tell

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<v Speaker 2>me if.

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<v Speaker 1>If you can challenge, challenge accepted, let's do it. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to slide into your DMS and be like, all right, girl,

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<v Speaker 1>you got me see you next week. I'm so excited

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<v Speaker 1>because I could do yo goa pregnant, which is great

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<v Speaker 1>because there's a lot of things I can't do right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not running as much and so so this would

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<v Speaker 1>be a nice moment for myself to have me and a.

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<v Speaker 2>Lot of folks who you know are used to those

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<v Speaker 2>intense workouts. You can use it for a recovery day

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<v Speaker 2>and still be mindful, like so mindful that you're listening

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<v Speaker 2>to your body that you come back even stronger to

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<v Speaker 2>your workout the next day, like yoga and meditation, like

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<v Speaker 2>it makes sense, like once you get into it, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not here to like again to convert anybody to

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<v Speaker 2>doing anything they don't want to do, but for me,

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<v Speaker 2>it has been a life, life changing tool to help

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<v Speaker 2>me navigate. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think you know a lot of our listeners

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<v Speaker 1>to deal with anxiety depression, and we talk about that

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<v Speaker 1>a lot on the show. So I think this is

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<v Speaker 1>something and I think that's another reason why my therapist

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<v Speaker 1>has always pushed me, or I should say push. She's

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<v Speaker 1>always encouraged me to try and I just haven't been

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<v Speaker 1>open to it. But you know, now, just recognizing and

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<v Speaker 1>seeing what meditation has done, how Okay, I need to

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<v Speaker 1>incorporate more because this is what my body is actually needing,

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<v Speaker 1>as opposed to me stressing out about making sure I

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<v Speaker 1>hit my three to five miles. You know, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>that's not what my body actually wants.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. And sometimes that is the hard part about

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<v Speaker 2>doing yoga because you're just like, I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>hear that. I want to hear that I need to

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<v Speaker 2>go run this marathon right now, and maybe this is

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<v Speaker 2>the year that I need to rest. And yeah, it's hard.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a hard lesson.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's when the emotions will come rest. Well, girl,

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<v Speaker 1>congratulations with your new babes, and I'm so excited to

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<v Speaker 1>check it out. I'm going to let you know because

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<v Speaker 1>I will try it, I promise, and I'm looking forward

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<v Speaker 1>to it. So thank you for coming on you. Thanks,

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate you. Bye Chelsea nye mm hmm