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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyon, and this is episode number seventy

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Speaker 1: tay in the show, the season openers on our doorstep.

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Speaker 1: We're reviewing a number of easy ways to royally screw

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Speaker 1: up your hunting season, and spoiler alert, you are not

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Speaker 1: supposed to do these things, all right, Welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by Sick Gear.

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Speaker 1: Now today, with hunting season either started for some folks

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Speaker 1: or starting soon, you know, Dan, I decided that we

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Speaker 1: are just going to dive into a handful of different

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Speaker 1: screw ups that you do not want to make in

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Speaker 1: the coming months. Now, that's assuming you're interested in killing

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Speaker 1: with sure Buck. So it's going to be an interesting

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Speaker 1: chap and it's also gonna be kind of laid back.

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Speaker 1: You know. We do not have a guest today, but

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Speaker 1: we have for the past few weeks and those have

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Speaker 1: been great and super informational, but you know, we kind

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Speaker 1: of enjoy kicking back a little bit and talking just

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Speaker 1: the two of us. So that's the plan. It should

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Speaker 1: be fun and uh, Dan, you're ready to let loose

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Speaker 1: a little bit. I'm never not letting loose. Yeah, that's true. Always,

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Speaker 1: I'm always letting loose. I always let it fly in public,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Yes, I think now now

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Speaker 1: that we got that straightened out, we can only try

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Speaker 1: to restrain you a little bit. And that's that's a challenge.

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Speaker 1: You can only hope to contain me. Yeah, it's not likely. People.

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Speaker 1: You know people really, you know that awesome Detroit Lions

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Speaker 1: running back. What was his name, Barry Sanders. People compare

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Speaker 1: me to him a lot o. Yeah, they're like, man,

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Speaker 1: you're just you're like Barry Sanders. You look very much alike. Well,

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Speaker 1: aside from looks I got. I got mad juking skills too,

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Speaker 1: and my personality is like how he runs just all

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Speaker 1: over the place. I'll give you the last one, okay.

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Speaker 1: I I'm not sure about the joking. I feel like

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Speaker 1: you're more of like a big tree fall hard type.

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Speaker 1: But uh, okay, well, I'll tell you what. Just wait

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Speaker 1: until we get up in the mountains and we'll see

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Speaker 1: who's laughing. We will. Speaking of speaking of that, I

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Speaker 1: got a question for you this Elk Hunt that we're

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Speaker 1: going on. Is this going to be, um, no man

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Speaker 1: of Yeah. No, I'm a big believer in survival of

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Speaker 1: the fittest. So okay, you know, if survived, that's great,

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Speaker 1: but you know, I can't guarantee it. So if my

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Speaker 1: leg snaps, you're just like, well, you know, here's a

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Speaker 1: gun with one bullet in it, buddy type of thing,

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Speaker 1: call me if you get out. No, it's gonna be fine.

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Speaker 1: It'll uh, it'll be fun. I'm getting excited about it.

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Speaker 1: We uh man, we've been all over the place and

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Speaker 1: over the last year figuring out what we're gonna do,

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Speaker 1: and it's been you know, this, and then that and

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Speaker 1: then this, No, finally this again. Um, but I'm excited.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna do uh a pretty cool trip. So it's

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Speaker 1: less than two weeks from now. We're gonna well two

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Speaker 1: and Elk and um, you are gonna love it, my friend,

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Speaker 1: you were gonna absolutely love it. I've been listening to

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Speaker 1: a lot of jock jams to pump myself up for it.

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Speaker 1: That's the typical ELK pump up session music is James.

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Speaker 1: That's what I read somewhere anyway, what are you reading blogs? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a it's cool. I've been listening to a bunch

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Speaker 1: just because that gets me all tingly inside. So I

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Speaker 1: was still again already off track. That's kind of how

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Speaker 1: we roll when it's just doing me Dan, But white

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Speaker 1: tail stuff, you've been doing any fun white tail stuff

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Speaker 1: since with Chad laste nothing. You're just other than shoot

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Speaker 1: um father husband, you know, guardian to a Maltese I

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Speaker 1: you know, it's like you don't really get to go

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Speaker 1: I saw the one sixty and a well over one

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Speaker 1: I got access to his property. But here's the problem

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Speaker 1: Because the property to the east is like a horse

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Speaker 1: rehabilitation center. The property to U and see the other

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Speaker 1: to at least catch them on on camera. So on

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Speaker 1: the farm you have access to, is there any huntable

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Speaker 1: They're standing there standing corn on this property and then

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Speaker 1: just airp or other stuff for what. Well, like I said, residential,

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Speaker 1: So the the horse pasture, but right up to this

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Speaker 1: main chunk of timber where I feel they were betting

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Speaker 1: But I'm still gonna try to access the main chunk

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Speaker 1: get in it that way, and who knows, who knows

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Speaker 1: what will happen. Okay, man, that's awesome when you can

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Speaker 1: find something close to your house like that, that's super

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Speaker 1: be right back and then drive out there. I've I've

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Speaker 1: driven by the property like four or five other times

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Speaker 1: But I am doing a bunch of work on these properties,

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Speaker 1: finally had rained the forecast on Saturday and Sunday. So

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Speaker 1: not quite as much as I was hoping for, but

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Speaker 1: better than nothing. So now I've just got my fingers

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Speaker 1: But that's kind of all new with me. I did

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Speaker 1: but yeah, now I'm done in Michigan. Everything is set.

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Speaker 1: force a trail camera check. May abe. Let's see you're

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Speaker 1: you're picking me up next Sunday. Yeah, and uh, I

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Speaker 1: think I'm gonna maybe run down on Saturday to go

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Speaker 1: because September, you know, we're getting back somewhere like the

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Speaker 1: So then we should have our final velvet trail camera

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Speaker 1: I mean I when I swing by to pick you up,

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Speaker 1: I'll just have Ohio. But we'll at least be able

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Speaker 1: to compare those two. So I'm really excited to see

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Speaker 1: how they finished off, especially Glenn, since I didn't have

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Speaker 1: watching old video the first time. Yeah, first time we

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Speaker 1: saw Glenn Um. We saw him like three times that

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Speaker 1: first week in November running around. He was probably a

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Speaker 1: one eight pointer with a missing G three And it's

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Speaker 1: cool to look at him then and now see what

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Speaker 1: lot of people focus on the antlers, but one thing

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Speaker 1: in the morning and the evening when you're trying to

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Speaker 1: get ready ahead into the woods. It's it's pretty awesome.

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Speaker 1: So if you want to learn more about that or

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Speaker 1: any of the other products from Sick of Gear, visit

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Speaker 1: sick of Gear dot com. And now let's get into

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Speaker 1: the show. So let's start with something that and again

432
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Speaker 1: a lot of these topics will be mistakes that we've

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Speaker 1: probably heard about, we've probably talked about to some degree

434
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Speaker 1: on the on the show. So these aren't necessarily revolutionary,

435
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,680
Speaker 1: like holy smokes, I've never heard of that before, um,

436
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 1: but they're important. And even if you are a die

437
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 1: hard deer huner and you've heard all these things a

438
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Speaker 1: million times before, I don't think it could be emphasized enough.

439
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Speaker 1: And reminded enough about these things. And then finally maybe

440
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Speaker 1: the most important thing here, Danny, and you let me

441
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Speaker 1: know what you think about this, But I think you

442
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Speaker 1: know we're even guilty of it here on what you're hunting.

443
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Speaker 1: You're right. We put out all these different articles and

444
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Speaker 1: all these podcasts sharing all these tips and tricks and

445
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 1: strategies and ideas and tactics, and there's a million things

446
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 1: we're saying and the other people are saying and all

447
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 1: the stuff out there, but none of it means crap

448
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 1: if you don't implement some of it, if you don't

449
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Speaker 1: take action. And I'm pretty sure you know, and I'm

450
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Speaker 1: because I've been guilty of this in the past, that

451
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Speaker 1: I would bet like eight of the things that people say.

452
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Speaker 1: If I were to tell, you know, a group people

453
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Speaker 1: the top ten best things that they need to know

454
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Speaker 1: about deer hunting, whatever it might be. If I give

455
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Speaker 1: them these great ideas that I know are amazing and

456
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 1: it works for people, I bet you eight out of

457
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Speaker 1: ten those people won't even take action on most of it, right,

458
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Speaker 1: And so I think that's the big thing that I

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Speaker 1: would just encourage everyone out there to do. With all

460
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Speaker 1: of our podcast episodes of all our articles. When you

461
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,439
Speaker 1: read this stuff, when you hear this stuff, you know,

462
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 1: try to find a way to take action on some

463
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 1: of these things. And some things might not fit your

464
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Speaker 1: style hunting or your area, but what you do find

465
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Speaker 1: interesting and intriguing, take action, like do the work. Don't

466
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Speaker 1: just say oh interesting and and forget about it. When

467
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Speaker 1: hunting seas roll around, rolls around, I mean, do something

468
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Speaker 1: about these things. So when we walk through these common mistakes,

469
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Speaker 1: you've probably heard these things before, but really think about Okay,

470
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Speaker 1: I've heard this mistake, but still every season somehow I

471
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Speaker 1: end up doing it. You know, what can you do

472
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Speaker 1: differently this year to make sure you don't make this

473
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Speaker 1: mistake again? I think that would be my major goal

474
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Speaker 1: for everyone today on the show listening is is that

475
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Speaker 1: you find one of these mistakes that we're gonna talk

476
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Speaker 1: about and actually think through a way that you can

477
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Speaker 1: change this year so you don't make that mistake, and

478
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Speaker 1: then really really do it right. And in my last

479
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Speaker 1: nine years of hunting, you know, I've been hunting since

480
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 1: I was like I don't even remember, but then in

481
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 1: two thousand and six is when I really jumped into

482
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Speaker 1: the sport real heavy and I started focusing on hunting

483
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 1: mature deer. And it was then and from that point

484
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Speaker 1: until today, every every one of these things we're going

485
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Speaker 1: to talk about is are things that is that have

486
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Speaker 1: happened to me, and I'm sure you too. So it's

487
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: like we're sitting here and going and make sure you

488
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Speaker 1: do this. Let me tell you why, because I messed

489
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Speaker 1: up on it, you know, last year, the year before,

490
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Speaker 1: the previous year. You know, yeah, definitely, So you know,

491
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Speaker 1: let's let's just kick it off and start going through

492
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Speaker 1: these and and and hopefully there'll be something that can

493
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Speaker 1: be helpful. And I think one of the most popular mistakes,

494
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Speaker 1: one of the most common mistakes out there, and I've

495
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 1: made it a million times, is and we talked about

496
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Speaker 1: a lot, but getting lazy with entrance and exit routes,

497
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Speaker 1: and in particular, I personally think exit routes are the

498
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 1: easiest to screw up um. And I say that because,

499
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Speaker 1: at least for me, when I'm heading into a tree stand,

500
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Speaker 1: I'm on you know, I'm on edge. I know that

501
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 1: I'm sneaking in. My hunt is ahead of me still,

502
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: so I want to make sure I don't ruin that hunt.

503
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 1: I really want to be be careful and quiet. I'm slow.

504
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,160
Speaker 1: I'm being strategic about how I get in and out,

505
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Speaker 1: and I obviously have time to get there now when

506
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,679
Speaker 1: I leave at night. Lots of times if or you know,

507
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Speaker 1: in the morning after my morning hunt, or in the

508
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,199
Speaker 1: evening after the evening hunt, maybe I've got something I

509
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: need to do back home. Maybe I'm late for something,

510
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: maybe dinners on the kitchen, in the kitchen, maybe whatever

511
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 1: it is, I've been sitting in a tree for four

512
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 1: hours in the freezing cold, and I'm just cold and

513
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 1: sick and tired of being out there. There's a lot

514
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 1: of reasons why after a hunt you might just want

515
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,239
Speaker 1: to scoop back home quickly and you're tired of being

516
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: out in the woods, or you had a frustrating hunt,

517
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: whatever it might be. I always had the temptation of

518
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: just like, just get me back to the trunk, like

519
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: I'm just ready to be done. Um. And because of

520
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 1: that fact, I had a lot of times where I

521
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:32,959
Speaker 1: I knew I shouldn't do what I'm doing, and then

522
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: I did it anyways where I would walk through a

523
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Speaker 1: field because I didn't want to deal with a thirty

524
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Speaker 1: minute walk through a bunch of brambles and stuff in

525
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Speaker 1: the middle of the dark, or I got down early

526
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 1: even though I knew there was deer still around. I

527
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: spooked him. I knew I shouldn't do that, but I

528
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 1: was like, screw it, I just gotta get back. I

529
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: got so and so going on um or whatever it

530
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,439
Speaker 1: might be. Lots of times that's a temptation that's easy

531
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Speaker 1: to fall for. I've done it. I bet you probably

532
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: have to every year. Every year. Yeah, and every year

533
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: though I try to, and I think I get better

534
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 1: every year in having like the self discipline. I think

535
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 1: when it comes to that, it's just discipline, like having

536
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,360
Speaker 1: the wherewithal after your hunt to say, Nope, I'm going

537
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: to take the long way. I'm going to wait till

538
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: way after dark, or I'm going to make a plan

539
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,479
Speaker 1: to make sure i can get out here right. Um.

540
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: Whatever it is, thinking through that beforehand and then sticking

541
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,360
Speaker 1: to it after your hunt is just so important. I think,

542
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 1: you know, we we go over and over it again.

543
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 1: But when you're going after these mature bucks, you only

544
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: have so many opportunities to screw up. You know, you

545
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: just get a couple free passes maybe, and if one

546
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,959
Speaker 1: of your free passes burnt out. When you are walking

547
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: back through the middle of the field in the night

548
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: and there was a buck out there after dark that

549
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: you didn't see and you bust them out of there,

550
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: you might have just ruined your chances of ever getting

551
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: a shot at that buck. You dreamed about the entire

552
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: summer and fall, and you blew it because you want

553
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: to get back to have some chile. Um, it's just

554
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: not worth it, don't you think. No, I a and

555
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 1: I'll go to the I'll go to the extent of

556
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: this last year on a couple um stands where you know,

557
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the weather. I know that the wind

558
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: is going to shift, all right, So um, just imagine

559
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: a square right in the northeast side, the top right

560
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: side of the squares where my tree stand was, and

561
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 1: my access route was for an east wind, okay, or no,

562
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: excuse me, a west wind. So I walked on the

563
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: east side of the square where that I would say

564
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: is the betting area to get to my tree stand,

565
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: and the wind shifted almost a hundred and eighty degrees

566
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: and was coming straight out of the east by the

567
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: time I left. Now, if I took that same access

568
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: route back to my truck, my sense blowing into that

569
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: that square, into that betting area. So I half I

570
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: had to take a completely different access route out because

571
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: of the wind changed and I headed straight east into

572
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: the wind up until I got to this this washout

573
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: from a horse pasture and walked all the way. It

574
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: took me another, you know, in additional fifteen minutes to

575
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: get to my truck. But I know my scent didn't

576
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: go into that bedding area. Yeah, and that's key, um,

577
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: because not only do you need to make sure you're

578
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: you're visually or audibly not spooking those deer after your hunt,

579
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: but but scent is obviously still a big one that

580
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: goes for when you're going into your tree and we're

581
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: going out of your tree. You always need to be

582
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: aware of those things. Um. So, like you said, going

583
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: up a washout or creep bed or ditch, that's a

584
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: great way to get out. UM. I had like a big, tall,

585
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: excuse me, grassy um field along one of my properties

586
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: that excuse me got the freaking hiccups. Um. I had

587
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 1: a big grassy field on one side and of a

588
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: strip of timber, and then the other side was a

589
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: cut crop field. And when I would exit a stand

590
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: that I had over there. You know, if I tried

591
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: to walk along the crop field, I was spooking deer

592
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: all the time. So the next year, what I did

593
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: is I cut a path through that tall grassy field

594
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: on the other side timber, so that I could enter

595
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: along the edge of the crop field, because the deer

596
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: weren't out there when I was heading into the stand

597
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: in the afternoon. But when I exited, I could go,

598
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: you know, a hundred yards farther to the north and

599
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: go through this little path I had through the middle

600
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: of this really tall grass that was away from the

601
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: food source enough that I could sneak through there without

602
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: being seen and get out quietly. And that significantly reduced,

603
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: you know, the number of darrow spooking by my exits

604
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: from that area. UM, So that's something to consider. There's

605
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: you know, if you can manage habitat and your property,

606
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: you can even plant like screening cover, um, where you

607
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: can walk behind some trees that you planted, or a

608
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: strip of corn that you left, or a strip of

609
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: Egyptian wheat or something like that, that you can create

610
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: a wall, so at least you can visually be hidden

611
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: on your entrance or exit routes. UM. You know which

612
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: is creek beds. Yeah, yeah, all the above, UM, and

613
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: another one that you know gets talked about a decent bit. UM.

614
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: It can sometimes be hard to pull off, but if

615
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: you can do it, it is a really good way

616
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: is get a ride. UM, if you're hunting near a

617
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: field edge that you can at least get to a

618
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: field or if that's where you're worried deer might be

619
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: when you try to get out, if you can have

620
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: someone come pick you up, that's very helpful. You know

621
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: one example where I pulled this off, UM, when I

622
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: was hunting six shooter three years ago, I guess it

623
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: was now. UM. I wanted to hunt this food plot

624
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: I had, and it was in December, and I knew

625
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: I was only gonna get a couple of chances at him. UM,

626
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: And I figured, you know, one two hunts in that area,

627
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: and if I screwed it up somehow and spooked him,

628
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: I'd never seen him again because you know, just tons

629
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: of tons of hunting pressure around this area. UM. I'd

630
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: been leaving this property alone completely to try to make

631
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: it a sanctuary so that he would, you know, stick

632
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: around there during guns season, and he did. Um, but

633
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: I knew, all right, I'm going into the hunt. I

634
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: need a safe way to get out of there. Um

635
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: if I don't kill him, because if I, you know,

636
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: I'll spook him. So I end up convincing my wife

637
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: to drive my truck back there and hang out. And

638
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: then once I was done hunting, she came, picked me up,

639
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: spooked all the deer out with a truck. I was

640
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: able to pull, climb down the countree, walked to the

641
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: field edge, hop into the truck, and get out of there.

642
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: And you know, the deer just aren't going to be

643
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: spooked in the same way by a truck as they

644
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: would buy a hunter walking along the edge of the trees. Um.

645
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: So if you have the option to do that, that's

646
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: a good one. It's not gonna work for every situation,

647
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: but that's a that's a pretty safe way to get

648
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: out without them knowing that a hunters there. They don't

649
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: think it's a farmer or something. So that's one exit

650
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: idea that can be can be worth having up your sleeve.

651
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,479
Speaker 1: Do you have any other thoughts on exit and entry route? Stand? No,

652
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: don't be lazy, don't be lazy. That's probably a theme

653
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: for a lot of these mistakes. So many of the

654
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: mistakes that are commonly made are like common sense things

655
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: that we just get lazy about and don't take the

656
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: time to deal with. And uh, man, it can be tough,

657
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: especially later in the season, at least for me. Like

658
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but early this season it's

659
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: easy because I'm amped up, I've been thinking about all offseason.

660
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: I can pay attention to details. But when it gets

661
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: to day ten of my rut hunt and I've been

662
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: waking up at three thirty every morning, it gets a

663
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: little bit more difficult to stick to every one of

664
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: my little things. Or when it's December and I've hunted,

665
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: you know, eighty times later this year and still haven't

666
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: killed a deer, it gets a little tough too to

667
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: cross all my teas and dop my eyes. Well, And

668
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: it's one of these things that some people just have

669
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 1: to learn the hard way, you know. For me, that's

670
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: the kind of you know, I'm I'm the kind of

671
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 1: person who, yeah, I'll take advice, but I'm gonna still

672
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 1: do what I want, you know what I mean. And

673
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: And for for me, it took me to learn the

674
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: hard way. It took for me to say, oh my god,

675
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: I should have walked in the other, you know direction,

676
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 1: especially when you watch a deer catch your ground sent Yeah,

677
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: that'll definitely make a lesson stick right. Or when you

678
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: when you see ah, um, you know, a deer, giant

679
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: deer and you he's coming right towards you and you call,

680
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 1: why would you call? He's coming right towards you? You know,

681
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: lesson learned, yep, yep. But definitely those personal experiences can

682
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 1: be much more. And that's that's what I think. That's

683
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 1: what it takes. You know, someone who you know, we

684
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: talked about being a good hunter all the time at

685
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: whatever that means. But you have to learn if you

686
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: if you don't learn from your mistakes, and that's what

687
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: it takes for a lot of these guys, including myself.

688
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 1: You know, it's like, oh, being light goes off in

689
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: my head. I'm not going to do that. I'm not

690
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: gonna blind call. I'm not gonna you know, walk straight

691
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: to my tree stand when I should where I should

692
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: take the long way around. Yeah. My hope is that

693
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: you know, by you know, all the different media out

694
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: there and with what we're doing, hopefully some people can

695
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: learn from our mistakes and avoid them themselves and not

696
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: have to learn it the hard way. But you know,

697
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: inevitably in a lot of cases, you still do have

698
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 1: to learn it yourself too. So what's what's your next

699
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: kind of mistake that we need to make sure we're

700
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 1: not making in the next couple of months. Well, believe

701
00:35:55,840 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: it or not, Mark, it's not jumping into your good

702
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: spots too early. Something we like to talk about, isn't it.

703
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,439
Speaker 1: I know, so you know me, I'm a huge fan

704
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 1: of hunting early season. But I don't think people are

705
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: understanding what I mean by that. And I'll explain here.

706
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: If you have a good spot of betting area that

707
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: typically holds, you know, deer, and you have some trail

708
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: cameras outside of that that's catching some movement either coming

709
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: to or going away from the trail cameras. UM. I

710
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: used to be the kind of guy who used to

711
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 1: cannonball in you know October one game time. Boom into

712
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: the timber, you know, like a wild you know, like

713
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: a wild bull running to my stand. You're like, I'm

714
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: gonna kill a deer. You know. That's how you enter

715
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: your house after a day at work. The door open

716
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: for dinner. And that's how I used to be right.

717
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: And then I got introduced to trail cameras and and

718
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: and provide that. You know, those provided me with a

719
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: lot of formation about deer movement. So what I mean

720
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: by jumping into it two the good spots too early

721
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: is Let's say you have a spot that's a long

722
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: walk in and it's early season. I'm not gonna I'm

723
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: not even gonna touch that unless I have evidence that

724
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 1: deer are in that area. Like if I have a

725
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: buck um a buck you know, coming to a scrape

726
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: or visiting a field edge or coming back to that

727
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: betting area, and I catch him on a trail camera

728
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 1: that's on a main trail or a pinch point, you know,

729
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not going to touch that area unless

730
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 1: I have proof that there is a big deer there,

731
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: especially for early season. It's like I need proof to

732
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: make that make that call. Yeah, that makes sense, absolutely does. So.

733
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 1: It's not like I'm hunting mornings just to hunt. It's

734
00:37:55,840 --> 00:38:00,320
Speaker 1: calculated and I am. I'm doing my research. I'm uttering

735
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 1: my intel and if I feel like it might be

736
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 1: worth I'm going to sit an observation stand, you know,

737
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: a morning or a night before I jump into that area.

738
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: I'm not just gonna cannonball in there. Yeah, I think. Um,

739
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,720
Speaker 1: the phrase that Adam Hayes used last week is perfect

740
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: for this, and this is this is how I like

741
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: to approach deer hunting is surgically removing a mature buck

742
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: from his habitat. It's a surgical strike, or is my

743
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 1: friend Craig Doherty likes to say it's a drone strike.

744
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:33,720
Speaker 1: You know, you're you're collecting this intel, you're analyzing that intel.

745
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: You know exactly when you want to hit, where you

746
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: want to hit, and why you want to hit there,

747
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: and then when all those things line up, you go

748
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: in and attack. That's how I believe the most successful

749
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: and consistent hunters of mature bucks operate, and that's how

750
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 1: I try to operate. UM, And that, in my opinion,

751
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: is the single biggest thing that has changed how I

752
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: hunt and the success that I have is by doing this,

753
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: by paying attention to the timing. So when you go

754
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: and hunt these spots, um, and why you do go

755
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: in when you do, UM, it's just it just cannot

756
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: be understated. We we we've probably talked about it, you

757
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 1: know once every three episodes. We probably talked about this

758
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 1: general idea to some degree, but waiting to the right

759
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: conditions of the right time or the right intel to

760
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: go into these certain areas is going to make a

761
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 1: break your season, in my opinion, because if you blow

762
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: into these areas and pressure those deer before you really

763
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 1: have an opportunity to kill him, you're just taking yourself

764
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: out of the game before he starts. Right. So I

765
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 1: got a question for you, An, I'm looking for a

766
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 1: little bit of advice. All right now, I have trail

767
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: camera pictures from last year of Mark Kenyon in a

768
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: pinch point at thirty am on October three and eleven

769
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: o'clock am on October four. Okay, that's damn near mid

770
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: day movement, you know what I mean. Yeah, it's pretty crazy.

771
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: So you know, if it was just one time, I

772
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 1: would be like, okay, maybe he got bumped from his

773
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: bed two times in a row those two days. Now,

774
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: we've had guests on the podcast say we need you know,

775
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: if I got a deer there that day, I'm gonna

776
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: be in that area, you know two days, you know

777
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: those for three days that surround that date. And you

778
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: know too, because deer tend to do the same thing

779
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: the same times every year. Would you be in that

780
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 1: area the opening week of h of the season to

781
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: try to encounter that movement? Answer me this, what is

782
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: what does it take to get into that spot? Is

783
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: that the kind of area that's like, is it gonna

784
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 1: be a really high risk thing going in there to

785
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,280
Speaker 1: hunt in the morning or middle of the day. Um,

786
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 1: what's that going to be like? So last year I

787
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: had it's it is the perfect It's one of the

788
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: best pin points I have on the property. It's the

789
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: second best actually, Like and tons of your travel in

790
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 1: and out of this little this where this corner of

791
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: this cattle pasture meets a load this low spot and

792
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 1: they don't cross excuse me, they don't cross the fence.

793
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: They dropped down in um into this this low spot

794
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 1: and then head back up again by this this fence corner.

795
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: Because if they go out into the pasture, you know,

796
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: they get exposed. But what I've done is I've micromanaged

797
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: this area and I've moved my tree stand to the

798
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 1: main trail that leads down into it. So because the

799
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,240
Speaker 1: reason I moved it was because the thermals in the morning,

800
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: we're kind of acting like ocean tides if there wasn't

801
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: a consistent wind. So my scent was going up and

802
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: then back down into the drawl, and up and then

803
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: back down in the draw, and it was just blowing

804
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: everything out. And then when the wind would would pick up,

805
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: it would, you know, blow my scent into a completely

806
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: different direction, the direction that I initially wanted to go.

807
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: So my senten zone was gigantic, all right, and I

808
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: was getting busted all the time. So I got out

809
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: of there. This year. I moved it up on top

810
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: of the ridge where this main trail goes down into

811
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: that pinch point, and that's where I have my tree

812
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: stands set up. Now, can you get in there in

813
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: the morning without spoken deer? Yes, I if I if I,

814
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 1: if I take my time, I go in slow, and

815
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 1: I do it on the right wind. I believe I can.

816
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: And here's what I would do. And this is different

817
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: than what I would have done last year, probably, But

818
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:35,720
Speaker 1: Mr Mark Jury was so compelling in his argument about

819
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: the nature of an annual pattern for bucks. And then

820
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: someone else I can't remember who this was, but maybe

821
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: maybe it's Adam or someone else recently. Want someone we

822
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,720
Speaker 1: talked to talked about the same thing, the annual pattern.

823
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: Um it was done. It was down Higgins who talked

824
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 1: about the annual pattern right on how they'll do the

825
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 1: things the year after year. So so many people we've

826
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: talked to recently have been re emphasizing this that it is,

827
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: you know, giveing me more reason to pay attention to

828
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 1: this even more than before. If the weather is right,

829
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 1: So assuming you don't have like an eighty five degree day, um,

830
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: you know that morning where it just doesn't seem like

831
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: anything is going to move, I would probably even though

832
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: in past I wouldn't have hunted mornings like that. I

833
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: think with that kind of intel you have and if

834
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,240
Speaker 1: you can get in there without the pilotood of spooking something,

835
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: I think if you've got half decent conditions, I'd probably

836
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: be there, Okay I Um. And it's funny because this year,

837
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 1: October three and fourth fall on a weekend, so I

838
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 1: will be able to hunt it and uh, hopefully a

839
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: nice south wind happens, because that's what I needed, a

840
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: south maybe just a little bit southwest to get in

841
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: there and have the wind do what I want. And

842
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 1: that time of year, a south wind is pretty standard.

843
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: So um, I kind of hope, I kind of hope

844
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: I get those conditions, and UM, I think I'll go

845
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 1: in and give her a try. Yeah. I think the

846
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 1: important thing here is that you know you are going

847
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: to go in here because of we've listed like four

848
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: different wise, all these like trail camera pictures, you've identified

849
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,399
Speaker 1: this perfect set with in an area where they're gonna

850
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: move through. You know you can get it in there

851
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: without spooking deer, assuming you have the right weather or

852
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 1: so we can have the right wind. Um. All these

853
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 1: factors go into why you would ever hunt there at

854
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,839
Speaker 1: that time. Ten years ago, I would have said, Okay,

855
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: this is the best tree standard property boom October one, Bam,

856
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: I want to hunt there. I'm excited, And that would

857
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 1: have been a bad, bad idea. UM. And so I

858
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: think the difference and what we're really what I really

859
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,879
Speaker 1: want to encourage everyone to remember is that you know,

860
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: if you are going to go into one of these

861
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: better areas, there better be a whole lot of Wise,

862
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 1: you better be able list three, four or five six

863
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: different specific reasons why this is the right time, why

864
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: that's the right spot at the specific time. UM. And

865
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 1: I think if you start approaching your hunting like that,

866
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 1: your success is just gonna go up night and day.

867
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: Because all of this is predicated on the fact that

868
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:04,399
Speaker 1: hunting pressure is the biggest influencer of deer movement, dear

869
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: sightings during daylight, all that kind stuff above and beyond

870
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: everything we've ever talked about, whether moon phase, parameter, all

871
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 1: those things are great and dandy, and they naturally affect

872
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: dear movement. But if you're in their property spook and

873
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: deer all the time, you're just not going to see

874
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 1: mature bucks during daylight. If you continuously do that, it's

875
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: just not gonna happen. So you need to be very

876
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 1: careful about how you apply that pressure. And that obviously

877
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: comes from when you're hunting, so you need to be

878
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: careful but when you hunt to minimize the pressure and

879
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 1: then understand how all these other conditions affect deer naturally

880
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 1: to make sure you are hunting at the right times

881
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: in the right places. So that's a that's what I'm done.

882
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,800
Speaker 1: That's my rant for the day. That's important stuff. That

883
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: so true though, it's so important. Um, anything more on

884
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: that one? What's next? Yeah? Um? How about this one?

885
00:45:56,719 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: And this is you know, continuing in the similar vein here.

886
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 1: But it's don't make the mistake of hunting the same

887
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: tree over and over and over again, because pressure, you know,

888
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: when you hunt, you're leaving scent. You are some dearer

889
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: hearing you, some dearer seeing you, some deer smelling you

890
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: while you're there. They might smell you when you walk out,

891
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:20,280
Speaker 1: They might smell you a day, lay day later. Whatever

892
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 1: it is, you are leaving sign, and deer, especially mature dey,

893
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: are going to react to that. Right Um, So every

894
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 1: time you hunt a tree stand, it's getting a little

895
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: bit less likely you'll be able to kill a deer

896
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: there every time, because there's a greater chance that the

897
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: bucks picked you off or learn something about your presence there. Um.

898
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 1: And as we talked about before, as you know and

899
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: as I know, sometimes it gets easy to want to

900
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: just hunt the same stand. You know you're gonna see

901
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,479
Speaker 1: deer there. Maybe it's easy to get to. Maybe it's

902
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 1: maybe been traditionally very successful for you, whatever it might be,

903
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 1: I've certainly fell into this trap. Let's just let's just

904
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: put all the cards on the table right now. I mean,

905
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: if you only have a very small property to hunt,

906
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 1: and you have one tree stand on it. Okay, I

907
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 1: would suggest moving your tree stand around a couple of times,

908
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: or at having another tree stand. And they're just you know,

909
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: even if it's just twenty acres or ten acres or

910
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: whatever it is, have multiple options, even if it's small piece.

911
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 1: But if you're the kind of person who just loves

912
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: to sit in a tree stand and in observe nature

913
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: and maybe kill a young deer that walks by it,

914
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 1: that's fine, that's awesome. But if if you want to

915
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: kill a mature deer, if there is mature deer on

916
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 1: that small piece, every time you go in there, it

917
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: learns about you. You know, that's what these deer do.

918
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: They learn just as much about you as we learn

919
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: from them. So hold up and don't go in there

920
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: straight up until until it's good. And we've talked about

921
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: what those conditions are on this podcast until we're blue

922
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: in the face. So it's up to you know, it's

923
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: up to those it's up to you the listener, to

924
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: implement that. You know, every time you go in there

925
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:11,479
Speaker 1: and you don't see this, dear, he is learning something

926
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: about you because the wind in your scent. I don't

927
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: care what kind of scent control um steps you're taking,

928
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 1: you are leaving scent there. Period. Yeah. Yeah, it's so try.

929
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 1: I like what Adam had talked about last week, the

930
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: fact that Andre d Cuisto told his buddy hunt a

931
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: different tree stand every single night. You hunt on your

932
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 1: property and you have completely different success. You know he had.

933
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 1: He had told the story about how this guy had

934
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 1: been hunting this property and never could get a big,

935
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 1: mature buck. He took under his advice, he hunted a

936
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: different stand every time, and boom, he kills the biggest

937
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: steer of his life. I think that's a really good

938
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: example of what can happen when you change things up.

939
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: Don't let those deal learn you, and I'll put it

940
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: to you. I'll give you a specific example. I used

941
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: to be a one tree stand center myself back in

942
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,800
Speaker 1: the day, probably about nineteen or excuse me, two thousand

943
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: and three, right when I got out of college. I

944
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: saw a big buck in this field, and so I'm like,

945
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,760
Speaker 1: oh my, I'm gonna sit in this stand every day

946
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: and he'll come out eventually. And I did that well.

947
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 1: In November, all the trees are off off the tree,

948
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: or all the leaves are off the trees, and I

949
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: watched these deer come from a thick betting area and

950
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: they hold up until dark every single day until I

951
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: can't see anymore, and then they leave. And my trail

952
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: camera shows pictures of these bucks and these deer in

953
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: this field. So they learned my pattern. Oh yeah, it

954
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: doesn't surprise me either. I watched it firsthand. I saw

955
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 1: them stand up out of these betting areas, come to

956
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: a staging area and wait. Yeah, And you know what's

957
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 1: what's funny about this one that the solution to fix

958
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: this problem comes down to the same thing we've talked

959
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 1: about this whole last four or five minutes. It's just

960
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: having the gumption to actually do the extra work and

961
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: do the harder thing, which is put another stand up,

962
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 1: hanging up, set move um. It just comes out of

963
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: not being lazy. Yep. So I need I needed to

964
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 1: find I needed to move in there to that staging

965
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:16,320
Speaker 1: area instead up very quietly that next night and wait.

966
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 1: But did I know because I thought, oh man, I

967
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: have a ladder stand, I'm not gonna be able to

968
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:25,439
Speaker 1: get it in there. And this was my own worst enemy. Yeah,

969
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 1: I think that I think anyone out there, and this

970
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 1: is something that I keep on you know, seeing more

971
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,720
Speaker 1: and more with what I'm doing and trying to change

972
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 1: it more and more, but but just changing things up,

973
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 1: adjusting when you have to. UM, I want to throw

974
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: this out there if one of you guys, the girls listening,

975
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: if you try this this coming year, if you see

976
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: something you hunt a stand and you realize you need

977
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: to adjust, or you're just realizing, hey, I gotta keep

978
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 1: moving my stand. If you become more mobile, hunting different areas,

979
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 1: avoid hunting the same tree stand over and over. If

980
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 1: you do that and you have success with it, I

981
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 1: want you to email me through contact for Weird Hunt

982
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 1: and I will pick one of you. If there's only

983
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: one of you, you you win by default. UM. If

984
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 1: a bunch of people email back with success on that

985
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 1: specific story. If you remember this after hunting season, during

986
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,280
Speaker 1: hunting season, email me and I'm gonna pick someone and

987
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: give you a wired Hunt hat and shirt because I

988
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 1: would be super darm proud of you for doing that,

989
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: for taking the extra effort to change things up. Don't

990
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: I would love to talk to with them on the show.

991
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 1: That would be awesome. That would be cool. That's something

992
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 1: you know I want to start doing too. UM. In

993
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,280
Speaker 1: future episodes. It's finding some way to get our listeners

994
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: a little more involved. What we'll see what that looks like. Um,

995
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: which we do have the White Tail Q and a

996
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: podcast now which is going to be getting people's questions

997
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: on the air, which is cool. Well I'll mention that

998
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: again at the end of the show. But but yeah,

999
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: I agree. I want to talk to some of these

1000
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: people that are implementing some of the things we talked

1001
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 1: about on this show and actually having success with it.

1002
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 1: Hearing those success stories. I know they're happening, and I've

1003
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:54,479
Speaker 1: heard about them an email, but I think we should

1004
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 1: be sharing those with our listeners too. So what's uh,

1005
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: what's your next one? In? All right? So my next one?

1006
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 1: And this is something that I am going I have

1007
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 1: no problem doing this this next thing on evening hunts,

1008
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: But for morning hunts, I'm the kind of person who

1009
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: I get out there and I'm in my stand maybe

1010
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 1: twenty minutes before the sun comes up. I need to

1011
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: and I challenge everybody else out there to get to

1012
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: your stand earlier. Now, a lot of people say, you know,

1013
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: I've talked to you know people on both sides. I

1014
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 1: get out there real early, or I get there five

1015
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 1: minutes before I'm supposed to, because your sense going to

1016
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 1: be cascading into the timber well. If your scent is

1017
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 1: going somewhere where the deer might bust you, then you're

1018
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: probably set up wrong. Right by default, you're just right

1019
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: and if and if you're walking in an access route

1020
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 1: to that stand, that is going to blow it out.

1021
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 1: You don't know when the deer coming through. You're just

1022
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:06,879
Speaker 1: hoping they come through during daylight hours or while you're

1023
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:10,800
Speaker 1: in that tree stand. So my goal this year, especially

1024
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,879
Speaker 1: for morning hunts, is to get to the stand at

1025
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: least thirty minutes to an hour before the sun comes up,

1026
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 1: probably closer to an hour. I want to be in

1027
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: there where the stars are still shining, and I want

1028
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: to have everything settle down to where the deer. You know,

1029
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 1: I feel that there's there's instances where you get in

1030
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,839
Speaker 1: there and there's a there's a spooking point where if

1031
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 1: I'm going twenty minutes before uh sunlight, the deer going, well,

1032
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take another route around. But if I'm going

1033
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 1: in an hour and they might hold up, double check everything,

1034
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 1: then come through the area. Yeah, agree on that. I think, Um,

1035
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 1: this was our guest and episode number six sixty four

1036
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: or something. I don't even know what it was. But

1037
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: John Eberhardt, Michigan guy, he was the one who convinced

1038
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,439
Speaker 1: me in his book that I read a decade ago

1039
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 1: or something UM about the importance of getting in there

1040
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: super early, especially on those morning sets. And so I

1041
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: do exactly what you just talked about, Dan. I'm always

1042
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: trying to get in there about an hour beforehand. Like

1043
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: I like to be quiet by an hour, So I'll

1044
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 1: try to get in there like an hour and fifteen

1045
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: minutes or hour and twenty minutes before daylight, so that

1046
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:29,280
Speaker 1: there's a full sixty minutes of me sitting there quietly

1047
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,280
Speaker 1: letting it cool down. And you know that's excessive, maybe

1048
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 1: some people might think, but like you said, Dan, I

1049
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 1: really do think it makes a difference. Um. And when

1050
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 1: it comes to and again, all these things, it's these

1051
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,320
Speaker 1: little details. It's taking the extra effort to move, it

1052
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: is taking a little bit of extra effort to get

1053
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 1: in a half hour earlier than you usually do. It's

1054
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: all these little tiny things add up. And when it

1055
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: comes to trying to kill these mature old bucks, that's

1056
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: what you have to do. I mean, sure, you can

1057
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:55,320
Speaker 1: get lucky once in time, once in a while, but

1058
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: if you want to consistently have success on dear like this,

1059
00:54:58,080 --> 00:54:59,879
Speaker 1: and then even more so if you're trying to pull

1060
00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: the soft you know, east of the Mississippi in Michigan

1061
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:06,320
Speaker 1: or Pennsylvania, New York or Georgia or South Carolina or whatever,

1062
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: you have to become obsessive about this stuff if you

1063
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 1: want to be consistent with it. Um, because it's a

1064
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,879
Speaker 1: game of inches. Um. My favorite football coach in the world,

1065
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,840
Speaker 1: Mr Mark D'Antonio at Michigan State, always talks about football

1066
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: is a game of inches. It's you know, one little

1067
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 1: thing here can make the difference between winning and losing.

1068
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: And that's exactly what it is with with hunting mature deer.

1069
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: I think it's you just have to pay attention to

1070
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: those little things. Yep, yeah, I agree. So I need

1071
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 1: I need to just do It's one of those things

1072
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 1: like it's up to me to do it, it's not

1073
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 1: up to anybody else. I can't, you know, I gotta

1074
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: set my alarm earlier. I can't. You know, hey, mom,

1075
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: if I because I because I don't live with don't

1076
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 1: live with your mom anymore? I stay at their placed.

1077
00:55:51,440 --> 00:56:00,799
Speaker 1: When it's not I'm getting me up. So yep, that's true. Um,

1078
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 1: it's and none. I mean, nothing we've talked about here

1079
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 1: is rocket science. You know, if if you just simply

1080
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: took these common sense ideas that we talked about all

1081
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 1: the time, that a lot of people talk about all

1082
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: the time, and if you just took the extra effort

1083
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:19,439
Speaker 1: to really religiously do these things, your successor it would

1084
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,359
Speaker 1: go up astronomically. I think just the fact is that

1085
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 1: most people, and like we've talked, we've both done it

1086
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 1: ourselves too, but most of us end up getting lazy,

1087
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 1: complacent for you know, for whatever reasons there might be.

1088
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 1: There's always excuses, but it's just not following through on

1089
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 1: what we know we need to do. So I'm gonna

1090
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pick the next question. I'm gonna aim it

1091
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: towards you. All Right, what you got Why do you

1092
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 1: use scent control? Why do you have a scent control regiment? Well, well,

1093
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 1: I mean there's a very simple answer that obviously we

1094
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: know that the white tailed deer's greatest defense mechanism is

1095
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 1: his nose um and I've realized the fact that you

1096
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 1: need to play the wind as much as you possibly

1097
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 1: can write. The number one thing we need to be

1098
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 1: thinking about when trying to set up on a deer's

1099
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 1: is how that how that deer is going to use

1100
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 1: the wind and his nose, and then how we can

1101
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: appropriately set ourselves up so as best as possible avoid

1102
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 1: him getting down wind of us. Um. But that said,

1103
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 1: even though I'm always thinking about that, you just never

1104
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 1: know what's gonna happen. Deer are wild animals. They don't

1105
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 1: follow our rules, they don't always follow what we think

1106
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:31,919
Speaker 1: they're gonna do. And there's always a chance that deer

1107
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 1: is gonna get down wind of you. Or even if

1108
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 1: a deer doesn't get down wind of you, like we

1109
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 1: just talked about a couple of minutes ago, if your

1110
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 1: sent your scent is getting out there regardless of what

1111
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:43,439
Speaker 1: you do, some amount of human sense getting out there. Um.

1112
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 1: And when that sentence, you know, blowing around, or the

1113
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:48,959
Speaker 1: next day a deer walks by and crosses your path,

1114
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 1: they'll smell you. And again, we want to keep that

1115
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: awareness that deer half about us hunting them as minimal

1116
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 1: as possible. So part of the way I can improve

1117
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 1: that is by having a really strict sent control regiment. Um,

1118
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 1: even with all the things that I do and use

1119
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,439
Speaker 1: and all the things that you do to UM, I'm

1120
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 1: a firm believer that you can't beat a deer's nose

1121
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 1: a hundred percent of time. No way, I'm not gonna happen. UM.

1122
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 1: All you can do is is minimize it as much

1123
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 1: as possible. You can make a dent in it, you

1124
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 1: can get away with a little more. UM. So I

1125
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 1: try everything I possibly can to do that. UM, just

1126
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: because again it comes down to details and maybe and

1127
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 1: this is an area that again I screw up. Sometimes

1128
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,439
Speaker 1: I get lazy, I'm gonna rush or whatever it might be.

1129
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 1: But I shouldn't do this. And as much as possible,

1130
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 1: you guys shouldn't either get lazy with your same control. Um. Yeah,

1131
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 1: because of all these things I just talked about. It's

1132
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 1: so important if you want to get a second chance

1133
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 1: that or buck, or if you don't want to lose

1134
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 1: those chances you're gonna have in a mature deer, you

1135
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 1: need to minimize your scent profile as much as you

1136
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 1: possibly can. Do. You agree with or disagree with anything

1137
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 1: that's other day, man, I'll tell you what I I

1138
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 1: feel that access. The proper access to your tree stand

1139
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 1: is very very important. Okay. If if you feel a

1140
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 1: dear may cross your path too when coming through this area,

1141
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 1: then you're probably set up wrong or you need to

1142
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:21,479
Speaker 1: have a different access to that tree stand, access throughout

1143
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: to that tree stand. I am not a huge believer

1144
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 1: in what the kind of scent control extremes that most

1145
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 1: people take, all right. I believe in ozonics, all right.

1146
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 1: I believe in a little bit of that nose gam

1147
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 1: or stuff. I think that works awesome. But for me,

1148
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 1: I take my green showers, you know, just I don't know.

1149
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 1: I don't know why, because I don't feel that I

1150
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 1: feel that if I use dove or something with scent,

1151
00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 1: it would have the same kind of effect as the

1152
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 1: green stuff would. I've I've been in you know, obviously

1153
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 1: I hunt lower pressure areas than most. But I've been

1154
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 1: at work all day long and have gone straight to

1155
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 1: the tree stand without spraying down, without putting in you know,

1156
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 1: my sent free deodorant or anything like that, and have

1157
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 1: seen decent success. You know, And I know you talked

1158
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 1: about your um. You know this. These are some of

1159
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 1: these are just precautionary measures, just in case something does

1160
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 1: come down wint view. I just feel that you can

1161
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 1: be in the right spot at the right time and

1162
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 1: have the right access to that stand without being a

1163
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 1: sent crazy like sent control crazy. I can't argue with that.

1164
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you can pull that off. My My argument though,

1165
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 1: would be, but what happens the ten or twenty percent

1166
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 1: of the time when it doesn't work all right? Right?

1167
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 1: And I don't know, I guess I'm not a huge

1168
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 1: a huge sent for week. I mean, I during the rut,

1169
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 1: I'm taking one shower a day if I if you know,

1170
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 1: if even if I go back in take a nap.

1171
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 1: I typically take it in the morning for my morning hunt,

1172
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:14,480
Speaker 1: and the afternoon I'm using my osonics and stepping in

1173
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 1: cow poop or horse poop on the way and which

1174
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 1: I feel is an awesome strategy. By the way, and

1175
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 1: I'm not joking. Step in animal poop on your way

1176
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 1: to your stand? Yeah, no, I follow you. Yeah, I

1177
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 1: know you're not choking. But it's just it just seems

1178
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 1: like a very much a Dan Johnson move. It is

1179
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 1: Dan Johnson move, But um, I don't know. I just

1180
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 1: I feel that there are I feel that there are

1181
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 1: certain things that we as hunters have been I don't

1182
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to say swindled into thinking. You know.

1183
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 1: I feel that a majority of human scent comes out

1184
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 1: of your mouth, you know, from your gut, from what

1185
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:58,440
Speaker 1: you eat, and that's that's where a majority of your

1186
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 1: scent comes from. Uh. And that they don't have any

1187
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 1: rebreathers or scent control for your breath except for nosonics

1188
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 1: in the tree, you know, but most you know, I

1189
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:12,200
Speaker 1: don't know about you, but do you have your osonics

1190
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 1: on when you're walking to the tree or do you

1191
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 1: put any spray in your mouth for you know, why

1192
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 1: you're breathing? You know, you know what I mean. So

1193
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 1: it's like, how much are we really doing when we

1194
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 1: spray down with all this stuff and and and do

1195
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 1: all these things. I mean, how much? I just don't

1196
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 1: feel that it's doing enough to trick a white tail's nose. Yeah,

1197
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't see. My take on this is

1198
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 1: I can't prove how much each individual thing helps. But

1199
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:42,480
Speaker 1: it just comes down to me being the fact that

1200
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 1: every lit Because there's so many things that can go

1201
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 1: wrong on a hunt, right the wild animals, weather, whatever,

1202
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:50,479
Speaker 1: the dear ones. There's so many things and go wrong

1203
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 1: if there's something that I can do that's my choice,

1204
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 1: that's up to me, that might be able to help

1205
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 1: me incrementally, even like one percent. I'll take every single

1206
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:00,120
Speaker 1: one of those one percent gains that can take. So

1207
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 1: I'll do fifteen little things that maybe don't seem like

1208
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 1: a big deal. But if I do all fifteen of

1209
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 1: those things every right, every time, and hypothetically maybe that

1210
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:11,600
Speaker 1: gives me a fifteen percent chance better And I'll take

1211
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 1: that every day. So that's my take on I understand

1212
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 1: you're saying, but I personally would rather be O C

1213
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 1: D about as many things as they can to minimize

1214
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 1: the variables. Right, So that's that's my take. It's a

1215
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 1: cost benefit nalysis you gotta do, that's right, That's right.

1216
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 1: So there's that. UM. I think the mistake though, was

1217
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 1: being my my thought process was that, you know, the

1218
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 1: mistake would be getting lazy about it. So that's my

1219
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 1: take on it. I recommend you pay attention to the

1220
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 1: details as much as you can, um, But you got

1221
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 1: to play the win right first. You gotta do all

1222
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 1: the other things right too, right. I mean there's there's

1223
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 1: there are you know, like what it's like what we

1224
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 1: talk about one of those things when it comes to

1225
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 1: hunting these these big deer or these mature deer, is

1226
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 1: finding a wind that is right for the deer and

1227
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 1: not necessarily right for you. So there's that fine line,

1228
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 1: that invisible line where your scent is gonna almost bust

1229
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:17,880
Speaker 1: you get you busted, and and finding that that perfect

1230
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 1: line is very hard to do. Yeah, I think I

1231
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 1: think Adam did a nice chap giving us an example

1232
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 1: last week of that, because I think it's one of

1233
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 1: those things that when you talk about it can be

1234
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 1: hard for some people. It might be hard to visualize

1235
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 1: that situation. Um, So it's helpful to look at specific

1236
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:36,360
Speaker 1: examples like what Adams shared with us, UM and others.

1237
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 1: It's really important to figure that out. So what's uh,

1238
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 1: what's another mistake you want to share? Oh? Boy? Um,

1239
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:50,360
Speaker 1: you know, I think for us, for me, it's just

1240
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:54,640
Speaker 1: following through with what I've what i've the goals I've

1241
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:57,120
Speaker 1: set for myself. I mean, every year I find myself

1242
01:04:57,160 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 1: getting tired and making mistakes without me knowing. So like,

1243
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 1: are getting complacent thinking that you know, every year year

1244
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 1: come through this area every year, you know, like clockwork,

1245
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 1: When you know I need to take some of my

1246
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 1: own advice and just do instead of you know, coming

1247
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 1: up with all these crazy plans or you know, I overanalyze.

1248
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 1: I know you do too. We talked about it all

1249
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:24,439
Speaker 1: the time. I feel like I should just start going

1250
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 1: with my gut more, take the information that I have,

1251
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 1: that I've learned, and just go with my gut. Don't

1252
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:35,920
Speaker 1: sit here and go. Well, though, if the wind is

1253
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 1: just a little bit more this way, maybe I should

1254
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 1: hunt this stand or because you know, like Adam Hayes

1255
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:45,840
Speaker 1: said last week, you know, typically the gut reaction is

1256
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:49,560
Speaker 1: the best reaction. Yeah, but I do think again it's

1257
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 1: just my take, but I do think you need to

1258
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 1: train your gut, you know, like like and I know,

1259
01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:58,840
Speaker 1: like right, we're doing this kind of thing. Um, but

1260
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 1: if I were to say this ten years ago, if

1261
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:05,040
Speaker 1: I was following my gut, I wouldn't be seeing much

1262
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 1: at all. You know. Um, it's only after you think

1263
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 1: through a lot of these things, you see these situations,

1264
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:13,000
Speaker 1: you test theories, you get out there in the woods,

1265
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 1: that your quote unquote gut can start to really be accurate.

1266
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, for me, it's like it's

1267
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:21,720
Speaker 1: a balancing act. Right. Um, we still want to do

1268
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 1: some type of you know, if we want to perform

1269
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:26,200
Speaker 1: a surgical strike, a drone struck on this deer, you

1270
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:29,440
Speaker 1: have to analyze things. But it's knowing where's that line

1271
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:35,920
Speaker 1: between developing a strong plan versus totally over analyzing it.

1272
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:38,600
Speaker 1: I think that's the key, is figuring out where that

1273
01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:41,480
Speaker 1: line is and making sure you're not crossing it um

1274
01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 1: And that's that's the trick. And I think that's where

1275
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 1: you know, in the deer hunters career trajectory, now not career,

1276
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 1: but you know, as we grow as a deer hunter,

1277
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:54,160
Speaker 1: there's a point, you know, we're learning the hunt. We're

1278
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 1: just figuring out how to see deer and how to

1279
01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:57,640
Speaker 1: get a shot of the deer and eventually kill a deer.

1280
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,200
Speaker 1: And then someday we some of us decided we want

1281
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:01,720
Speaker 1: to hunt maturity deer, so then we learn how to

1282
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 1: kill maturity deer on occasion. And as we're going through

1283
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:06,000
Speaker 1: all this, we're learning all these different things about how

1284
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 1: dear you know, operate and how we can take a

1285
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:11,439
Speaker 1: take advantage of that. And we get to this point

1286
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 1: where we start caring about the things that you and

1287
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:15,000
Speaker 1: me are talking about, like the things we're talking about

1288
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:18,040
Speaker 1: all these details, all these specific conditions, and how to

1289
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:20,400
Speaker 1: set up in a certain way and how such and

1290
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:22,640
Speaker 1: such will effect deer and how that might influence where

1291
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 1: we want to hunt. Blah blah blah. This is pretty

1292
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:28,040
Speaker 1: advanced stuff, right. I mean, probably most deer hunters out

1293
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 1: there are not thinking about this kind of thing. But

1294
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:32,160
Speaker 1: for those people that are at the level where they're

1295
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 1: starting to think about this stuff, there's that first step,

1296
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:38,360
Speaker 1: which is thinking about these things. The next step is

1297
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 1: understanding how this effects your strategy, and then that next plateau.

1298
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:45,720
Speaker 1: It's plateau. But the peak, in my opinion, is the

1299
01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:49,000
Speaker 1: Jedi level that someone like Adam Hayes or andre Quisto

1300
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 1: or all these people that we talked to. That Jeda

1301
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 1: level is when you know how to analyze these things.

1302
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:55,800
Speaker 1: You know how to take all these inputs and now

1303
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:58,760
Speaker 1: analyze it and then come up with a solution. And

1304
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:01,680
Speaker 1: then it becomes something that becomes gut instinct because you

1305
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 1: don't need to think about this stuff and and obsess

1306
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 1: over it. It becomes second nature. And I think that

1307
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 1: Jedi status is something that doesn't come for a long time.

1308
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:11,640
Speaker 1: It takes a lot of experience, it takes a lot

1309
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 1: of practice. It takes a lot of screwing up and

1310
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 1: takes a lot of time just thinking about these things. Um.

1311
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:19,439
Speaker 1: And so I don't think we need to feel bad

1312
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:22,640
Speaker 1: when we make mistakes, when we try to analyze this

1313
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:24,320
Speaker 1: stuff and analyze it wrong, or when we get caught

1314
01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:27,600
Speaker 1: up in it. It's natural. It's gonna take time. Um,

1315
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 1: but it's uh man, I'm just saying, don't ignore it. Absolutely. Yeah,

1316
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:36,720
Speaker 1: it's because I have I I almost like I go

1317
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:41,400
Speaker 1: a lot by feel that's that's just me, like I

1318
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:44,280
Speaker 1: I that's for my life. And then it's like when

1319
01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:47,840
Speaker 1: I talk about deer hunting, I kind of push my

1320
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:52,759
Speaker 1: my feeling off and I go to to a numbers

1321
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:57,439
Speaker 1: game and and I feel like a lot of a

1322
01:08:57,479 --> 01:09:02,639
Speaker 1: lot of hunters, including myself, if a acknowledge that feeling,

1323
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:07,520
Speaker 1: they they you know, they may or may not be successful.

1324
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 1: But we're we're predators to you know what I mean,

1325
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:14,479
Speaker 1: We're animals, and I'm sure we have some kind of

1326
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:17,639
Speaker 1: sense sense you know that you know, the way our lives,

1327
01:09:18,360 --> 01:09:23,040
Speaker 1: the way we live our lives today may um turned

1328
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:25,960
Speaker 1: down those senses, so to speak. But I think that

1329
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:28,760
Speaker 1: I think that they're in us, and if we have

1330
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 1: the ability to acknowledge it and to use it. I

1331
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 1: think that's that we can That will be a great

1332
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 1: tool for us. Yeah, it's it's about getting in tune

1333
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:43,280
Speaker 1: with that, getting in tune with that. That's kind of

1334
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 1: hippie talk though. It's good. Though, it's good. I like

1335
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:50,320
Speaker 1: your heavy talk. Good. All right, how about another one?

1336
01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:54,000
Speaker 1: I think we can cover another one or two? Maybe? Um,

1337
01:09:54,400 --> 01:10:01,960
Speaker 1: how about this calling? Yeah, it's easy, Yeah, calling something

1338
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:06,800
Speaker 1: that it's one of those kind of get rich quick

1339
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:09,760
Speaker 1: type deals where it's like it's it's a little tool.

1340
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 1: It's a trick that you see on TV where you watch,

1341
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:16,000
Speaker 1: you see an ad in the magazine or something that's like, Wow,

1342
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:18,760
Speaker 1: this will call a deer and boom. Easy. They'll come

1343
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 1: in right to where I'm at and I'm gonna kill

1344
01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:22,320
Speaker 1: a deer. I need to get my black rack out

1345
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:25,519
Speaker 1: slamming together. You know, LU will be in front of

1346
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:27,679
Speaker 1: my stand. And if I have this product, it doesn't

1347
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:29,240
Speaker 1: matter where a hunt as long as I'm within two

1348
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:31,439
Speaker 1: yards of seeing that animal, because if I see him,

1349
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:34,840
Speaker 1: he'll come right to me boom. And unfortunately that's just

1350
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:39,840
Speaker 1: not true and almost almost all scenarios. UM, I think

1351
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:46,040
Speaker 1: calling can be very useful tool in tactic when applied

1352
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:48,760
Speaker 1: in the right situations, at the right time, and in

1353
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:51,840
Speaker 1: the right way. Um. But it's not a cure all.

1354
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:54,560
Speaker 1: It's not something you can do all the time willy nilly,

1355
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:56,639
Speaker 1: and it's it's not going to just be something that's

1356
01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 1: going to work for you all the time. UM. So

1357
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:02,960
Speaker 1: common mistake it's calling at the wrong times or just

1358
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:06,960
Speaker 1: calling too much. In general. I would say, um, I

1359
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 1: personally think that blind calling. It's something that I used

1360
01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:13,000
Speaker 1: to do a bunch and now I almost don't do

1361
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:15,120
Speaker 1: it all anymore. I might do a little bit of

1362
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:19,400
Speaker 1: blind rattling with a strategy, um, if for specific reason.

1363
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:22,240
Speaker 1: But I think that when you're calling you don't know

1364
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:25,280
Speaker 1: where a deer is, there's a good chance that you

1365
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:29,280
Speaker 1: could unknowingly put yourself in a position for that deer

1366
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 1: to find out where you are, because you're calling attention

1367
01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:35,000
Speaker 1: to you. Even though you're calling attention to yourself and

1368
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:37,240
Speaker 1: saying I'm a deer, you're still calling attention to the

1369
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 1: fact that, hey, there is a sentient being over here

1370
01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:42,920
Speaker 1: that you might want to check out, and so that deer,

1371
01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:46,000
Speaker 1: that deer might look up in the area. You might

1372
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:47,639
Speaker 1: not even know as a deer around, but he might

1373
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:50,400
Speaker 1: spot you moving because now he knows there's something over there,

1374
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:52,840
Speaker 1: or you might not know there's a deer around, but

1375
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:54,960
Speaker 1: he happens to hear you and he says, well, I

1376
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 1: want to know what that grunting noises over there, So

1377
01:11:57,240 --> 01:11:59,360
Speaker 1: he's gonna circle down wind of you and smell you

1378
01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 1: before you even knew he was in the area. Um,

1379
01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:06,160
Speaker 1: or maybe you there's this deer seventy yards out in

1380
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:08,640
Speaker 1: some thick stuff and you're blind calling away and he

1381
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:11,160
Speaker 1: doesn't come out. So ten minutes later, like a nothing

1382
01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:13,759
Speaker 1: came out, I'm gonna try again, grunt, grunch, grunt. Twenty

1383
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:15,599
Speaker 1: minutes later, he still doesn't come out, But that's because

1384
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:17,360
Speaker 1: he's sitting there in that patch of thick stuff, staring

1385
01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:19,760
Speaker 1: in your direction, saying what the heck is that? And

1386
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:22,960
Speaker 1: you keep calling, and that deer obviously eventually figures out

1387
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:25,479
Speaker 1: that's not natural, and you spook that deer without ever

1388
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 1: knowing that he was in the area. All these different

1389
01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:31,240
Speaker 1: examples of ways that you can educate deer by calling

1390
01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:33,800
Speaker 1: too much or at the wrong times, I think lend

1391
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:37,800
Speaker 1: itself or makes me believe that calls at least, I

1392
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:41,280
Speaker 1: will only use calls in specific scenarios. When I can

1393
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:43,640
Speaker 1: see a deer, I can watch his reaction and I

1394
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:45,680
Speaker 1: can make sure that he's not going to use that

1395
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:51,400
Speaker 1: UM signal for me too. Then learn what I am.

1396
01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:53,920
Speaker 1: What's your take, But I mean, it's the same thing

1397
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:56,639
Speaker 1: I mean to be, To be honest with you. If

1398
01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:00,760
Speaker 1: it's always good to have your calls with you, But

1399
01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 1: if you're in a high pressure situation, like you know,

1400
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:07,840
Speaker 1: I've never hunted in Michigan or Pennsylvania, so maybe I

1401
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:12,040
Speaker 1: shouldn't comment on it. But if you're in a high

1402
01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:15,240
Speaker 1: pressure area where you know other guys are rattling at

1403
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:17,800
Speaker 1: this deer, just leave your just leave your antlers in

1404
01:13:17,800 --> 01:13:21,920
Speaker 1: the trout. Make your move based off those hunters and

1405
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:24,800
Speaker 1: what they're doing, if that's if that's an option. But

1406
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:30,720
Speaker 1: for me, I have literally learned this particular lesson the

1407
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:35,920
Speaker 1: hard one. Okay, Like every time every calling mistake a

1408
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:39,360
Speaker 1: person's mate, I've made it. And to this day, the

1409
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:42,400
Speaker 1: only time I will grunt is if if I see

1410
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:44,599
Speaker 1: a deer I want to come in. The only time

1411
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:48,080
Speaker 1: I will rattle, for the most part is if I

1412
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:51,840
Speaker 1: see a buck that I want to shoot. Now, if

1413
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:54,400
Speaker 1: it's the last day or the last two days of

1414
01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:57,360
Speaker 1: my vacation, I'll throw I'll throw Hill Mary's out there

1415
01:13:57,640 --> 01:14:02,080
Speaker 1: and I'll wrap blind rattle. But I'm not I'm not

1416
01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:07,640
Speaker 1: blind calling anymore except for that that instance. I just

1417
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:10,680
Speaker 1: think there's there's too many risks. Yep, you know, I mean,

1418
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:13,200
Speaker 1: you know, we all know what deer do when we

1419
01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:17,439
Speaker 1: see them. They loop down, down wind and they they

1420
01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:20,280
Speaker 1: try to wind us. Now, if you're blind calling, just

1421
01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:22,519
Speaker 1: imagine what the deer are doing that you don't see.

1422
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:24,880
Speaker 1: They're doing the same exact thing, just in a bigger

1423
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:29,920
Speaker 1: a bigger circumference, and they're they're just they're busting you

1424
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:34,240
Speaker 1: without even seeing you or you seeing them. Yep, Yep.

1425
01:14:34,439 --> 01:14:37,000
Speaker 1: I think it's it's super common because we see people

1426
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:39,519
Speaker 1: using calls all the time on TV and they show

1427
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:42,760
Speaker 1: the situations where they're successful with it, and it looks incredible,

1428
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:44,639
Speaker 1: and calls can be you know, they can work really

1429
01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:46,559
Speaker 1: well in certain situations, and that's awesome. I mean, that

1430
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:48,800
Speaker 1: is fun to write in a buck and see them

1431
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:51,080
Speaker 1: charging in or snort reads at a buck and see

1432
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:52,880
Speaker 1: him puff up and come strutting and wanting to kick

1433
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:57,240
Speaker 1: your butt. That's awesome. Um, but just don't be swayed

1434
01:14:57,320 --> 01:15:00,800
Speaker 1: too much by those things and get too excited. That's

1435
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:03,760
Speaker 1: what It's one of those things too, where this is

1436
01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:07,080
Speaker 1: this is also a learning experience. It's even if you

1437
01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:11,760
Speaker 1: see a deer, you read his body language and that

1438
01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:16,760
Speaker 1: may deem yes or no to call to definitely so,

1439
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:19,400
Speaker 1: And that's that's a hard thing to learn unless you

1440
01:15:19,439 --> 01:15:20,960
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time in the tree standing and

1441
01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:24,800
Speaker 1: have had some interactions with some deer whether they're making

1442
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:27,519
Speaker 1: a scrape or breaking a tree, or or they're they're

1443
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:30,960
Speaker 1: kind of walking real slow with you know, full alert forward.

1444
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:33,920
Speaker 1: You know, don't call it him then, or call while

1445
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:36,320
Speaker 1: and he's making a scrape, or you know, there's so

1446
01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:38,800
Speaker 1: many different scenarios. But you know, if we were to

1447
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:41,840
Speaker 1: make a T shirt it would have it would say

1448
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 1: stop blind calling Dan. If you make that shirt, I

1449
01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:51,200
Speaker 1: will If you design that shirt, I will wear it,

1450
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:55,200
Speaker 1: and I will buy some look a handful of them. Okay,

1451
01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:58,360
Speaker 1: let me let me throw to throw it together. Let's

1452
01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:01,400
Speaker 1: do it and then maybe people one of it or

1453
01:16:01,439 --> 01:16:04,120
Speaker 1: maybe not will make millions off of it by a

1454
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:08,559
Speaker 1: giant chunk of timber. And then, um, this is this

1455
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:11,599
Speaker 1: is our plan. This is let me you know, of course,

1456
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:15,040
Speaker 1: my idea. So it's going to be like a split

1457
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:24,800
Speaker 1: right you okay? What it just seems fair? Oh man? Um, shoot,

1458
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:26,080
Speaker 1: you know I know what I was gonna say. I

1459
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:29,080
Speaker 1: was gonna say. We've talked about this before, which we've

1460
01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:30,360
Speaker 1: talked about a lot of these things before. But I

1461
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:32,120
Speaker 1: do think it's helpful to review and if you didn't

1462
01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:34,559
Speaker 1: hear some of these past episodes. Um, when it comes

1463
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:38,960
Speaker 1: to calling, my my thought processes. If I call once,

1464
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:42,160
Speaker 1: if that deer hears me, and visually you can see

1465
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:45,080
Speaker 1: that he heard you, and he starts to come your way,

1466
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:48,040
Speaker 1: I stopped calling. I'm not gonna calling where I've seen

1467
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:50,280
Speaker 1: so many people I've done it before to like he

1468
01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:52,640
Speaker 1: hears you, he starts walking your way, but then he

1469
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:55,760
Speaker 1: stops and he stands there. I'd start calling again, I

1470
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:59,000
Speaker 1: just keep calling. What that's a big mistake. Um. So

1471
01:16:59,240 --> 01:17:01,679
Speaker 1: don't call after you have his attention and he's moving

1472
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:05,800
Speaker 1: your direction. Um, And don't don't call after you get busted. Yes,

1473
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:08,200
Speaker 1: that was the next one. If he if he if

1474
01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:11,080
Speaker 1: he obviously doesn't like what he's hearing, doesn't like what's

1475
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:13,759
Speaker 1: going on, he starts moving away, or he busts and spooks,

1476
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:17,320
Speaker 1: you know, don't try calling anymore because you're just educating

1477
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:19,400
Speaker 1: even more. It's like, all right, there's something here I

1478
01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:21,639
Speaker 1: didn't quite like. I'm gonna leave. And then he hears,

1479
01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:24,240
Speaker 1: you know, a bazooka going off in the training, is like, yeah, okay,

1480
01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:26,760
Speaker 1: my my instincts are right. That's an idiot hunter. Don't

1481
01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:29,519
Speaker 1: don't give him that Yeah, don't give him that up.

1482
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:34,519
Speaker 1: So that's calling common mistake. Um, Dan, do you have

1483
01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:36,680
Speaker 1: a final one you want to cover? Because I think

1484
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:40,240
Speaker 1: we should probably wrap it up, and we've we've you know,

1485
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:44,160
Speaker 1: this is our seventy episode. Yeah, seventy episodes. We've covered

1486
01:17:44,280 --> 01:17:48,320
Speaker 1: a lot. I mean, really, what what I'm going to

1487
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:50,960
Speaker 1: recommend between now and whenever your season starts is to

1488
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:55,880
Speaker 1: go back and listen to some old podcasts about what

1489
01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:58,720
Speaker 1: you know, and and they're pretty much labeled at what

1490
01:17:58,760 --> 01:18:03,320
Speaker 1: they are, and you know, whether it's calling, or it's

1491
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:05,599
Speaker 1: how to plant a food plot, or you know, whatever

1492
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:08,439
Speaker 1: whatever it is that you want to know about, go

1493
01:18:08,520 --> 01:18:11,080
Speaker 1: back and listen to old podcasts, and there's tons of

1494
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:16,240
Speaker 1: information that we've already discussed that's out there for you

1495
01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:19,880
Speaker 1: re listen to it, get what you need, and and

1496
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:23,479
Speaker 1: then you know, absorb that information. Don't just listen to it,

1497
01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:28,559
Speaker 1: hear it and take action on it. And you know

1498
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:30,720
Speaker 1: that doesn't go for you. I mean that goes for

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01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:32,760
Speaker 1: me here. Here, I am on a podium, you know,

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01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:35,719
Speaker 1: telling you guys what to do. I gotta do it too,

1501
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:38,599
Speaker 1: and I'm just as guilty every year of not doing it.

1502
01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:41,400
Speaker 1: So it's like I'm a hypocrite at times. I just

1503
01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:45,040
Speaker 1: need to you know, boom, do it boom, you know.

1504
01:18:45,080 --> 01:18:46,760
Speaker 1: And I think it's I think it's fair to say

1505
01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:49,080
Speaker 1: that both you and me and any other other person

1506
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:51,360
Speaker 1: out there that talks about, you know, sharing their deer

1507
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:54,519
Speaker 1: hunting advice, we all make mistakes. We're all making a

1508
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:56,519
Speaker 1: lot of these same mistakes were just like anyone else.

1509
01:18:56,680 --> 01:18:58,880
Speaker 1: We're just simply trying to learn from as many of

1510
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:01,680
Speaker 1: those mistakes as we can, minimize the mistakes, get a

1511
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:05,000
Speaker 1: little better every year, and share some of those learning experiences.

1512
01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:07,479
Speaker 1: That's all I think we're trying to do here. Facial

1513
01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:14,360
Speaker 1: hair kills big bucks. Well, it's a fact. Unfortunately that

1514
01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:17,240
Speaker 1: doesn't search, that doesn't serve well for my future. Um,

1515
01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:20,360
Speaker 1: but I'm growing a little more every year. So I mean,

1516
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:23,760
Speaker 1: I'm serious. You put you put a little time and

1517
01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:27,599
Speaker 1: effort into your facial hair, it's gonna happen for you. Well,

1518
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:30,759
Speaker 1: what can I do to improve my facial hair or something?

1519
01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:35,600
Speaker 1: My grandpa, here's the funny story. My grandpa, this is

1520
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:38,400
Speaker 1: kind of gross, but he goes, Oh, you wanna you

1521
01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:41,040
Speaker 1: want to have a goatee like your uncle. You gotta

1522
01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:44,519
Speaker 1: put a little chicken manure in your bottom lip and

1523
01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:48,000
Speaker 1: then a little pig manure on the outside of your lip.

1524
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:50,479
Speaker 1: I'm like, what what would that do? He's like, the

1525
01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:58,240
Speaker 1: pig manure pulls and the chicken manure pushes. Wow. Yeah,

1526
01:19:58,280 --> 01:20:02,040
Speaker 1: there you go. And that might be a little precursor

1527
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:04,840
Speaker 1: to how I am. Yeah, I was gonna say this explains.

1528
01:20:05,080 --> 01:20:07,200
Speaker 1: This explains a lot. Your family tree had a strong

1529
01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:09,519
Speaker 1: influence on you. I think that's right. But seriously, facial

1530
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:16,440
Speaker 1: hair kills big Bucks. Facial hair helps Dan kill Big Bucks, everybody, everybody.

1531
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:20,280
Speaker 1: So you know, if you're a woman, all right, well

1532
01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:22,880
Speaker 1: there you there you go. That'll be our parting advice today.

1533
01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:26,200
Speaker 1: Dan's gonna leave you with that gem of wisdom and

1534
01:20:26,280 --> 01:20:30,400
Speaker 1: you're going to edit out the last ten minutes. Yeah,

1535
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:33,880
Speaker 1: we're just gonna nix this whole thing. We've got a

1536
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:37,240
Speaker 1: thirty five minute podcast today with just me Mark talking.

1537
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:43,400
Speaker 1: All right, well, this is fun. We got to this

1538
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:50,519
Speaker 1: kind of hopefully there's something helpful within this, which I

1539
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:54,400
Speaker 1: think there was, but that I think we'll wrap up

1540
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:58,000
Speaker 1: the show. Dan we Um. We have a couple updates.

1541
01:20:58,240 --> 01:21:00,439
Speaker 1: Number one week we mentioned it briefly, but four, but

1542
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:03,719
Speaker 1: the new podcast from wired Hunt has launched. It's called

1543
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:06,920
Speaker 1: white Tail Q and A. It's a short form podcast.

1544
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:09,799
Speaker 1: Twice a week, we're listening to one of your listeners

1545
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:13,160
Speaker 1: submitted questions and then me or an expert guest is

1546
01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:15,240
Speaker 1: answering that question for you. And that's the whole episode,

1547
01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:18,840
Speaker 1: ten to fifteen minutes long. Usually short and sweet and

1548
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:22,000
Speaker 1: straight to the point. So make sure check that out.

1549
01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:24,559
Speaker 1: Is now on iTunes if you search for white Tail

1550
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:27,519
Speaker 1: Q and A you'll see it there, or Stitcher if

1551
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:29,599
Speaker 1: you use an Android device, or you can find it

1552
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:32,679
Speaker 1: on the wired hunt website at wired hunt dot com

1553
01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:35,880
Speaker 1: slash white Tail q A and if you go there

1554
01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:38,840
Speaker 1: you can submit your own question, so please do that.

1555
01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:42,120
Speaker 1: We want your questions, we want to answer them. Um,

1556
01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:44,120
Speaker 1: if you're listening to white Tail Q and A or

1557
01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:47,160
Speaker 1: the Wired Hunt podcast on iTunes and you're enjoying them. We,

1558
01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:50,280
Speaker 1: of course, as we always say, really really really appreciate

1559
01:21:50,360 --> 01:21:54,439
Speaker 1: you leaving a rating or review. We're almost to three views, um,

1560
01:21:54,439 --> 01:21:58,200
Speaker 1: I think we're two. Um, so be awesome to get

1561
01:21:58,240 --> 01:22:03,200
Speaker 1: over that three mark, and we appreciate your help doing that. Um.

1562
01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:05,479
Speaker 1: Other than that, if your season is opening up, which

1563
01:22:05,479 --> 01:22:07,200
Speaker 1: I know a couple of people are. You know, Nebraska

1564
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:09,200
Speaker 1: opens up in a day or two soon here in

1565
01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:11,559
Speaker 1: North Dakota and some other states like that. If you're hunting,

1566
01:22:11,800 --> 01:22:15,160
Speaker 1: good luck out there. UM. Of course, we do want

1567
01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:17,720
Speaker 1: to thank our partners who helped make the Weird Hunt

1568
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:21,439
Speaker 1: podcast possible, so big thank you too, sick A Gear, Trophy,

1569
01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:26,840
Speaker 1: Ridge Bear Archery, Red Nick Blinds, Huntera, Maps, Oxonics, Carbon Express,

1570
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:31,120
Speaker 1: Lacrosse Boots, and the White Tail Institute of North America.

1571
01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:34,960
Speaker 1: And so with that all being said, thanks for joining us.

1572
01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:39,320
Speaker 1: We appreciate you. Good luck at hunting there, and stay

1573
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:41,280
Speaker 1: Wired to Hunt