WEBVTT - Lights, Camera, Glee with Brad Buecker 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:04.360 And That's what You Really Missed with Jenna. 0:00:04.440 --> 0:00:07.080 And Kevin an iHeartRadio podcast. 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:13.320 Welcome to and That's what You Really miss podcast. Kevin, 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:18.960 we got Jenna, We got him, We did we got him. 0:00:19.000 --> 0:00:22.320 Brad Beaker is here. Everybody. You've heard his name about 0:00:22.360 --> 0:00:25.160 a million times on this podcast. He was such an 0:00:25.200 --> 0:00:28.520 integral part of the shaping of the show, which we'll 0:00:28.560 --> 0:00:34.120 learn about about directing a thousand episodes. 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:35.200 The season's worth of episodes. 0:00:35.400 --> 0:00:38.159 He always did the big ones because there was just 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:40.520 he always could. He could handle it. They just knew 0:00:40.800 --> 0:00:44.240 and we are always in the best hands. He did 0:00:44.320 --> 0:00:49.520 excellent work. We love him, his family and you guys 0:00:49.560 --> 0:00:51.120 are not gonna want to miss this now. 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:54.000 This is one of our favorite interviews that we've ever done. 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:57.639 This is Brad Beaker. I remember us. 0:00:58.960 --> 0:01:01.000 Oh my god, it's been so long. 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:04.880 I was just saying that, that's it's crazy. 0:01:05.480 --> 0:01:06.039 How you doing. 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:10.080 We're good, How are you good? Thanks for coming on. 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:11.919 It's great to see you guys. 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:16.080 Likewise, also, Brad is like the busiest person in the 0:01:16.200 --> 0:01:19.640 entire world, So thank you for finding the time to 0:01:20.680 --> 0:01:24.199 talk to us because it means a lot. We needed you. 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:27.880 You were an integral part of this damn show. Yes, 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:30.119 we talk about you all the time. 0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:33.320 I'm so excited to be here. It's like it I 0:01:34.400 --> 0:01:35.280 texted you, guys. 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:37.399 I don't know if it ever actually went through, but 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:41.000 it was like when I saw you were doing the podcast, 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:44.160 I I was like, oh, I have to hear this. 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:47.480 And I listened to the first two hours when Ryan 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:51.280 was talking, and I mean, I can't even tell you, guys, 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:56.840 I just cried, like, I mean, I really and and 0:01:56.920 --> 0:02:00.120 it was that thing where it was like when it 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:04.600 ended for me, it was like there was kind of 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:07.600 just no time to look back. 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:09.440 Yeah, right, Like there was. 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:13.480 No I had no reflection and there were all these 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:16.919 complicated things all tied up in there. 0:02:17.000 --> 0:02:21.240 Yeah, and it just all all came flooding. Is just 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:25.240 like yeah, yeah. 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:27.160 Wow, Well thanks for listening to those. It was an 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:30.520 important those were an important two episodes. 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:31.280 Yeah. 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:31.840 Sure. 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:34.760 What's interesting too is we've talked to a lot of 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:38.720 crew members and they didn't say it exactly the same way, 0:02:38.720 --> 0:02:41.160 But I think a lot of people who just you know, 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:43.000 you're onto the next show, You're onto the next thing, 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:45.320 and you have to keep moving. And obviously we experienced 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:49.120 a lot during our time in Glee that I think 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:52.280 a lot of people had sort of like the deferred 0:02:53.040 --> 0:02:58.520 emotional like look back at our experience and so yeah, 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:02.120 it's so interesting to hear you say that too, like 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:03.320 Aaron Kruger was saying. 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:06.320 Yeah, really well and it you know, it's like it 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:09.560 was one of those things where I could At the time, 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:12.240 it was like, you know, I couldn't afford to stop, 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:14.800 you know, there was no time to It was like 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:17.120 you have to you have to pay the bills, right, 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:19.120 and it was like you just have to go. You 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:22.040 had to go find the next It was like hustle, hustle, hustle. 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:25.240 But it was so. 0:03:26.680 --> 0:03:30.519 It was just such a I mean, the show really 0:03:30.600 --> 0:03:35.280 defined my career without question. You know, It's I sort 0:03:35.280 --> 0:03:38.240 of felt like it was the. 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:38.040 Birth of my. 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:44.840 Entire entertainment experience. You know, it's like I had I 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:47.000 had had I was an editor before you know, I 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:50.960 was an editor. I worked on Niptuck and and then 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:54.400 it was like, you know, I cut the pilot right 0:03:54.720 --> 0:04:01.560 and crazy, but but it was like everything that I learned, 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:05.920 everything that I used today, I learned in that time 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:09.120 when we were together, right, it was like all of 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:11.960 it was like school. You know of like, hey, this 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:15.080 is how you make this is how you make great television. 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:18.560 Yeah, and you did over and over and over again 0:04:18.680 --> 0:04:21.080 you became It's from our perspective, I don't think it 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:24.080 ever felt like, oh, I'm learning on the fly, and 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:27.320 you know, doing this you always felt like a really 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:29.240 steady hand, which I think is why you ended up 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:33.280 doing the more complicated episodes, the bigger you got stuck 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:35.480 with all the competitions. 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:38.520 That's right, that's right, that's right. 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:40.479 At some point like oh, you know who could do 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:44.839 this affect efficiently? Let it again, make our day. 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:47.760 Get all the shots, get all the footage. Sweet, Let's 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:50.080 go back a little bit because there's a lot to 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:54.880 cover here. And I'm you said that you cut. You 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:57.720 were an editor first, and you cut the pilot. I 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:00.600 want to know what you're feeling. What is when you 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:03.599 were cutting this pilot, like what your thoughts were, and 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:06.599 also what was the journey of your ask reasons to 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:09.200 be a director, to go from editor to director and 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:12.000 how did you get on to season two and then 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:14.200 become like one of our resident directors. 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:19.360 Okay, So I mean it was hilarious because so I'd 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:23.800 worked with Ryan and Brad right on Nip Tuck. They 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:26.280 had this pretty handsome pilot that they wanted to make, 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:30.040 and you know, Ryan went all in on this pretty 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:33.240 handsome pilot and I cut that and that didn't go, 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:35.800 you know, and then they were like, oh, there's this 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:39.520 you know, there's this thing about a glee club, you know, 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:44.040 and and funny enough, it was like in high school, 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:46.799 I auditioned for the glee club three times. 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:52.000 Never made it. What never made it? Yep? I could sing, 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:52.960 but I couldn't dance. 0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:55.599 Oh pesky dancing. 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:56.000 You know. 0:05:56.320 --> 0:05:57.919 It didn't stop a lot of our cast. 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:03.479 Very good, Kevin, it was very. 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:13.719 I was always very aligned to Finn's story, right but 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:18.880 h and I grew up forty miles from Lima, mm hmm, 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:21.520 right in a small town in small town Ohio. 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:22.680 That was where I grew up. 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:25.200 You're the closest connection we have to Limo. 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:32.680 I may have been the only person on the producer's 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:35.120 side that actually has ever been to Lima. 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:39.640 Oh for sure. I don't think that's a maybe. 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:43.919 But you know, I was like, I remember being like, 0:06:43.960 --> 0:06:46.240 oh my god, this is this is so interesting and 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:50.680 this is so fun. And at the time Ryan was 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:55.839 in this wonderfully collaborative phase of his career where he 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:58.919 would bring Chris Baffa and I into his office while 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:02.120 we were shooting Nipped, and at lunch we would sit 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:03.760 and we would go through the Glease script and he 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:06.159 would be like, Okay, if you were going to shoot this, 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:06.760 how would. 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:07.080 You shoot it? 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:07.680 Wow? 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:11.600 And Chris would be like, Chris and I were so different. 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:13.679 But Chris would be like, I would shoot a nice 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:16.520 close up of you know. And I would be like, 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:18.000 I would take the camera and I would go I 0:07:18.000 --> 0:07:19.720 would do this and this, and I'll go over here 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:20.400 and go over there. 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:22.920 And but Ryan would just sit and listen and be 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:23.600 like okay. 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:28.960 And and you know, he used He didn't use a 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:31.080 lot or I don't know how much he used of 0:07:31.120 --> 0:07:34.320 anything that we said, but we we had talked through 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:39.760 what the show was, almost seen by scene before he 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:41.080 ever started shooting it. 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:41.840 Wow. 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:44.480 And so you had this idea of like what he 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:46.280 was going for that was so fun. 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:50.640 Wow. I really yeah. I never knew that even happened. 0:07:50.640 --> 0:07:54.880 Because in that pilot, as you do with pilots, one 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:57.200 of the best things about it is the way that 0:07:57.240 --> 0:08:01.000 it was shot. All of those handheld moments also, you know, 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:05.160 with the big sweeping numbers and the cranes and Andrew 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:08.760 on Steady came like all those things combined made a 0:08:08.880 --> 0:08:11.240 very specific sense of what the show is. 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:13.840 Yeah. Well, and he just he spent. 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:16.560 I mean, Ryan is so brilliant and he just he spent. 0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:19.320 But he spent a lot of time thinking about it. Yeah, 0:08:19.320 --> 0:08:22.520 and he really wanted it to feel special and unique, 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:25.920 and and you know, he's very close. He'll ask and 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:28.360 then he'll sort of look and you know, study what 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:30.640 you You never know whether he likes what she said 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:33.880 or necessarily you know, and then he just goes and 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:37.840 does his own thing right, which is brilliant. But but 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:39.760 it was fun going into it because it was like 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:42.079 we sort of had this idea that it was like, oh, 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:46.040 this is this is going to be fun. One of 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:49.400 my favorite memories of the pilot was like we were 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:53.160 almost done with the pilot. I've almost got it put together. 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:54.720 You guys are finishing shooting. 0:08:56.559 --> 0:08:57.520 And I called. 0:08:57.320 --> 0:09:00.760 Him and and I was like, Ryan, the pilot is 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:11.320 so good. I'm not sure you need don't stop believing. 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:18.040 The only person in history to ever say that, right, 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:18.800 But it. 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:20.760 Was like we we just hadn't we hadn't put it 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:21.360 together yet. 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:23.520 I had no idea, you know, and of course it 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:25.160 was like as soon as I put it together, it. 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:27.160 Was like, oh my god, that was the dumbest thing 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:27.920 I've ever said. 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:34.800 And he still kept you around. 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:37.760 Well, it was it was we were on the phone. 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:41.600 Maybe he didn't hear me, I don't know, but he 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:42.480 didn't say anything. 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:46.400 He was just like, uh huh, yeah, that is nice though. 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:48.760 That is I think that it's good as a collaborator 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:51.800 to just like let people say their piece. You hear them, 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:54.040 and so you're not critiquing, you know. I think if 0:09:54.080 --> 0:09:55.839 I were on the other end of that phone like no, no, no, 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:58.560 just just wait and see you're wrong, you know, something 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:02.520 like that, Like I imagine, you know, in that collaborative process 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:05.000 where you guys worked hand in hand for so long 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:08.920 that you need to be able to say things good, bad, whatever, 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:10.240 and not have any judgment on it. 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:13.880 And it wasn't It wasn't an anti dunk stop. It 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:17.600 was just like it's so good. It was like and 0:10:17.640 --> 0:10:20.240 it was like, you know, at that point, having we 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:22.320 just watched it and it was like you got to 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:24.079 that point and it was like, oh my god, this 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:27.480 is great, like I'm in yeah, yeah, sure, And it 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:31.319 was like because that was as as as much as 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:32.440 defining as it was. 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:35.520 It was just a button on the end of it. 0:10:35.720 --> 0:10:38.840 Yeah yeah. 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:43.440 But and the only other thing that was really fascinating 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:48.480 it was like we did test the show very early on, 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:52.920 and in the original pilot there was a whole long 0:10:54.240 --> 0:10:59.080 thing with the adults, right, and and the kids didn't 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:01.560 come in. You guys didn't come in intil ten minutes 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:05.480 into the pilot, right, and you know, you know how 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:08.520 they have that line across the screen. It's like, if 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:10.560 you've ever been to testing, they have these lines, and 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:14.319 it's all the people in the room, right that they 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:16.840 all have this line, and they ride these meters. So 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:22.640 if Hawk makes a fart joke and everybody's everything goes up. Right, 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:26.520 It's like if it's adults sitting in a room talking. 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:30.760 But if you get to the bottom, right, if you 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:34.880 click out, you change the channel, that person becomes to zero. 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:37.719 Doesn't matter what they do on the dial after. 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:39.120 That, Yeah, they're out. 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:44.040 Interesting, we had a very high number of click outs 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:49.600 in the first screaming right, and we're sitting you know, 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:51.720 we're sitting at a table and that there are people 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:55.160 in all these rooms. You can see those one way mirrors, right, 0:11:55.240 --> 0:11:58.000 and it's Ryan and Brad and Dana Walden and Jen 0:11:58.080 --> 0:12:02.960 Selke and and it's like, you know, I have an 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:06.679 idea about how to get the kids in in minute five, 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:10.280 like if we restructure the whole we could just move 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:14.000 some things around. And and Ryan looked at me and 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:18.040 he was like go And I was like, what do you. 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:20.480 He's like, go do it. 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:24.280 I was like, okay, all right, He's like, I'll be 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:27.959 in in the morning, right, And we we each had 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:31.440 we'd probably had two glasses of wine, you know, like, 0:12:31.920 --> 0:12:35.040 and it was and so I drove back to Paramount 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:38.679 and I was up all night long, right like to 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:41.400 you know, trying to re rework it and rework it, 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:45.840 and rework it. And Ryan came in at ten and 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:51.040 watched it, and then I think Dana and Jen came 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:52.960 in in the afternoon. But we screened it again the 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:56.559 next night, right, and it was like and it made it. 0:12:56.679 --> 0:12:59.160 It made a huge difference, like everything went way up. 0:12:59.559 --> 0:12:59.880 Wow. 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:01.800 It's crazy wow. 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:05.160 But it was like you know, we nobody knew, right. 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:09.160 It was like it's sort of initially like you know, 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:12.480 the pilot was like it was the teacher. Yeah right, 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:14.920 it was about the teacher trying to save the glee 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:18.319 club totally, and then it became no, no, no, no, no, 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:19.880 the kids, the kids, the kids. 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:21.840 It's sort of like that West Wing story, how the 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:24.920 president was hardly ever supposed to be in the show. 0:13:25.640 --> 0:13:28.000 And then as they were doing the pilot and we're 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:30.599 testing it, like, oh, we need more Martin Sheen and 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:33.480 this as as possible. Yes, the numbers were going off 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:37.239 the scale. You were talking about, you know, the conversations 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:39.720 you had with Ryan beforehand about how it would be 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:45.160 directed stylistically coming into the editing because you know, we 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:48.520 talked to Paris the other day and how we haven't 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:49.400 really talked to editors. 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:49.760 We didn't. 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:52.480 You were the only editor really that we had any 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:54.760 contact with, and that was because you started directing. 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:55.720 You broke the wall. 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:58.480 Yeah, you broke the wall. So the process of editing 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:03.920 is like this great mystery to me because you guys 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:06.720 sit in a dark room all day and really make 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:10.720 the thing. You can change something from working to not 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:13.120 working or vice versa. Like you just said about the 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:15.760 beginning of the pilot, So like, what was were there 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:19.560 conversations with Ryan. I'm sure that we're besideistically about going 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:21.960 into it how he wanted it to be edited, or 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:25.160 you already had that history together so he knew your style. 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:30.400 Well, you know, Ryan is so he's so hands on, 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:33.840 and at the same time it's like he's also you know, 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:37.200 he finds his people who he trusts, right, and then 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:38.960 he sort of empowers you to. 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:43.240 But what I'll always say is like. 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:47.200 That first year, i mean, the whole editorial team, we 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:49.200 just had this great It was like a it was 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:53.560 like our own little family. Yeah, we lived we lived 0:14:53.640 --> 0:14:56.720 in those trailers. Yeah, we were there weekends, we were 0:14:56.760 --> 0:15:00.280 there nights. And it's like every time we'd finished, every 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:02.440 time someone would put together a cut, an editor's cut, 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:05.120 a director's cut, we'd all come into the room and 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:07.120 we'd screen it right. 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:08.000 And there were rules. 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:11.160 It was like you had to open with, you know, 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:13.360 with you were going to talk after. You had to say, 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:15.400 this is what works for me, this is what's working 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:18.600 for me, like positive positive. 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:21.080 Right, be positive? Yeah right, yeah, and then this is 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:23.600 what's not working for me. Right. 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:27.200 It's like what you like is irrelevant, right, It's like 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:30.840 it's like it works or it doesn't or it's not working. Yes, 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:35.480 yes you're emotional, and it's like and but we were, 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:38.280 and you guys would be gone and we would go 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:42.760 over to the stages and like take photographs of each other. 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:46.600 Like jumping off the stage. You know, like it was 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:48.600 our own little we were. 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:51.720 We but we spend all our time like trying to 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:53.440 make you guys talk and make you guys. 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:55.200 You know, it's like get the last and. 0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:59.520 Get the camaraderie and get the connections, and you really, 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:04.520 you know, editorial is one of those places where it's 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:06.720 like it just takes what it takes. 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:07.360 You know. 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:09.440 It's like for every one day of shooting, I call 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:12.720 it three days of editing, my right, So it's like 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:15.520 three days to sort of get through all the footage 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:17.920 and find the moments and just get it up and 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:21.960 together right. And it was like, you know, one of 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:25.200 the fun things was like the the way that we 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:29.640 used the a cappella singers as the score. Right, there 0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:32.080 was a group called the Swingle Singers that we used 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:35.400 in the pilot that just felt so it was so 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:39.440 wee weird and offbeat but yet so right for a 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:43.680 glee club. Yes, And then you know, Jimmy Levine, our composer, 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:45.800 was like, we found he found a way to put 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:49.479 it into his keyboard so he could literally play voices 0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:51.040 on his keyboard. 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:51.520 Yeah. 0:16:51.880 --> 0:16:55.280 Right, But those were the things we were doing, you know, 0:16:55.520 --> 0:17:00.920 in the dark, behind the scenes. So point nine percent 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:04.800 of the time, everything is great, right, and it's like, 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:06.280 you know, and whatever. 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:08.080 We're figuring out, it's like, hey, this is what we're up. 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:11.199 Against, and like, but we're getting it, and you know, 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:13.679 and then at five o'clock, you know, Ryan would come 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:18.280 in and watch something r right, and he would watch 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:21.720 something and it's like and he would give you notes, right, 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:24.960 it's my first The first thing we screamed. We screamed 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:27.720 the first act of the pilot, and he just kept saying, 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:29.120 it has to be emotional. 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:31.000 It has to be emotional, it has to be emotional. 0:17:31.960 --> 0:17:34.520 And so I kind of patted it with all this 0:17:34.680 --> 0:17:40.080 like piano score, you know, and and the act one 0:17:40.320 --> 0:17:46.199 ended and he was like, it's not funny. And I 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:50.200 was like, oh my god, like I have that yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:53.840 it's it's it's not funny. And it was like I 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:56.480 was like, come back in two hours, come back in 0:17:56.520 --> 0:17:58.919 two hours, right, you know, and then you just go 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:03.840 back to what originally put together, right, and it was like, oh, yeah, 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:07.720 this is it. Yeah, but you just you know, especially 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:10.000 with Ryan, I always played the game of like tell 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:14.240 me what you feel, tell me what. Like Ryan was 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:18.040 really good at not being too micro. It was the macro. 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:22.359 It was like, you know, it's flat, it's boring. I 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:24.200 hate him, you know. 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:27.920 Right, but that helps, I mean because you can still 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:32.280 do like your art in it and then have him 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:34.800 give you the general sweep of things. 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:37.399 Right right, and then it's like, okay, I know what 0:18:37.480 --> 0:18:41.479 we're working toward, right as opposed to you know, and 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:43.720 it's like some people they have to go shot shot 0:18:43.760 --> 0:18:47.879 by shot, right, and it's like that's that's difficult, you know, 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:48.840 or it's not. 0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:52.840 You become more of a set of hands. 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:56.920 Yeah, you know than a contributor, right right, right. 0:18:57.440 --> 0:18:59.080 Well, he trusts you to do the thing that you 0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:02.919 were hired to do implicitly, right, and your your taste, 0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:03.960 your judgment. 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:07.200 Yes, and we had that yeah right. 0:19:07.760 --> 0:19:11.040 I'm just so curious of like when that was then 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:14.640 you were like hey Ryan, can I can I move? 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:16.800 Let me out? 0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:18.200 Okay? 0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:20.520 So as this was all going on, right, it was 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:26.320 like there. So there was Niptuck, right, and then Ryan 0:19:26.359 --> 0:19:29.600 did Running with Scissors, right, and I was the assistant 0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:32.600 editor on Running with Scissors, and then I became an 0:19:32.680 --> 0:19:36.480 editor on Niptuck. And at some point Ryan and I 0:19:36.600 --> 0:19:40.040 had this. He he invited me to dinner and he 0:19:40.200 --> 0:19:43.480 was like, I want you to be my editor, right, 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:50.640 And I so naive and like and you know, I 0:19:50.680 --> 0:19:53.359 was just like, oh my god, Ryan, I'm so flattered 0:19:53.440 --> 0:19:56.439 and that means so much to me. But I'm not 0:19:56.440 --> 0:19:59.000 going to be an editor forever, like I'm going to 0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:02.880 be a director. And I just I couldn't ever tell 0:20:02.920 --> 0:20:05.159 you that I would just be your editor, because this 0:20:05.240 --> 0:20:08.520 is always I'm going to be a director, you know. 0:20:08.640 --> 0:20:10.480 And I was like, I will edit for you as 0:20:10.480 --> 0:20:13.080 long as it makes sense and as long as but 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:16.679 it's like I will not always be an editor like that. 0:20:16.960 --> 0:20:19.640 Just and it was like I'm sure he doesn't even 0:20:19.680 --> 0:20:22.720 remember this, but it was like I stepped on the tablecloth. 0:20:23.080 --> 0:20:26.400 Oh no, and I'm not a glass of wine. 0:20:26.240 --> 0:20:30.040 Often no, rad Nora. 0:20:31.840 --> 0:20:34.159 And he. 0:20:35.560 --> 0:20:38.680 But it was like we never spoke about it again, right, 0:20:39.320 --> 0:20:41.840 but it was it was it was there, you know 0:20:41.840 --> 0:20:43.359 what I mean. We got up the next day we 0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:45.879 got up the next day, we went to work, you know. 0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:52.760 And and so as Glee was starting, right, there was 0:20:52.880 --> 0:20:57.000 Nip Tuck and ten episodes into Glee, there was Eat Pray. 0:20:56.880 --> 0:21:02.280 Love, Yes, right, yep, And and I cut. I was 0:21:03.119 --> 0:21:08.720 I was overseeing the editing of Nip Tuck and. 0:21:10.040 --> 0:21:13.800 Overseeing the editing of Glee, and I cut Eat Pray Love? 0:21:15.359 --> 0:21:20.880 Right, So how does that work? How are you? I imagine 0:21:20.720 --> 0:21:23.119 when you cut, you're cutting Eat Pray Love. Maybe it's 0:21:23.160 --> 0:21:26.040 some more hands on every day thing. Well I mentioned 0:21:26.080 --> 0:21:29.000 all these are every day, but like, wow, what capacity 0:21:29.000 --> 0:21:30.760 are you doing each of these things? 0:21:30.960 --> 0:21:33.760 So here's the thing. It was like you know a movie. 0:21:33.840 --> 0:21:38.440 You shoot it, you get it together right, and then 0:21:38.520 --> 0:21:42.000 you really like massage it like you think about you 0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:44.720 think about it, you screen it, you talk to people, 0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:47.280 you get feedback, and then you go in and you 0:21:47.359 --> 0:21:52.040 make micro adjustments. Yeah, you know you lift this chunk, right, 0:21:52.560 --> 0:21:53.919 you rework this scene. 0:21:54.680 --> 0:21:55.840 It was such. 0:21:57.320 --> 0:22:02.560 Great training, yeah, to be a director, Yeah, because you 0:22:02.600 --> 0:22:06.080 realize it's like you make decisions quickly, right, you have 0:22:06.119 --> 0:22:08.680 to make you have to be able to distill something 0:22:08.760 --> 0:22:14.040 down to what it is very quickly, right, and and 0:22:14.359 --> 0:22:16.919 kind of you can obsess all day long on like 0:22:17.000 --> 0:22:19.320 do you open on the close on the insert close 0:22:19.440 --> 0:22:21.760 up or do you open on the wide shot? Doesn't 0:22:21.800 --> 0:22:26.120 really matter, right, It's like it will you make a decision, 0:22:26.400 --> 0:22:29.560 try it one way, go on, finish the whole thing. 0:22:29.600 --> 0:22:31.520 When you go back, you'll know, right. 0:22:31.720 --> 0:22:33.399 But if you know that as an editor like that, 0:22:33.560 --> 0:22:35.720 I think that's probably also makes you such a great 0:22:35.800 --> 0:22:39.240 and effective director, is that you know exactly what editing 0:22:39.320 --> 0:22:39.719 can't do. 0:22:40.480 --> 0:22:45.080 It was great training to actually to start directing, you know, 0:22:45.440 --> 0:22:48.000 And I'd be lying to say I wasn't. I wasn't 0:22:48.040 --> 0:22:52.600 taking notes from every director that came in, every director 0:22:52.640 --> 0:22:54.280 that you saw. It was like, you know, I had 0:22:54.280 --> 0:22:56.520 a notebook of things that I loved that they did, 0:22:57.240 --> 0:22:59.880 and then things that I never wanted to do. Right 0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:02.000 where it was like, you know, hey, if we're going 0:23:02.080 --> 0:23:03.439 to start the scene and you're going to come in 0:23:03.480 --> 0:23:07.119 the door, right, it's like when you go to reset, 0:23:07.320 --> 0:23:09.840 you only walk to the doorway, you don't actually go 0:23:09.920 --> 0:23:10.520 out the door. 0:23:11.240 --> 0:23:11.440 Right. 0:23:11.640 --> 0:23:14.040 This happens all the time. Yeah, right where it's like 0:23:14.200 --> 0:23:15.640 and then you go back in the in the bin 0:23:15.720 --> 0:23:18.600 and it's like you can't use that take because you 0:23:18.600 --> 0:23:19.040 didn't go. 0:23:19.000 --> 0:23:21.720 All the way out the door, right right, yeah, And 0:23:21.760 --> 0:23:24.800 it's like just a simple reset yeah right, yeah. 0:23:24.680 --> 0:23:30.000 Yeah, And it's like okay, just always please reset. 0:23:30.800 --> 0:23:31.040 Right. 0:23:33.359 --> 0:23:35.880 That's an editor director right there. 0:23:36.119 --> 0:23:47.040 Right when it came time for you to direct your 0:23:47.040 --> 0:23:53.080 first episode kids never yeah, I mean such a great one. 0:23:53.480 --> 0:23:55.480 How did how did that come about? 0:23:55.720 --> 0:23:57.840 Okay? So uh. 0:24:00.080 --> 0:24:04.320 And we finished so so basically so, Ryan had sort 0:24:04.359 --> 0:24:06.480 of offered me, hey, so when do you want to direct? 0:24:06.520 --> 0:24:07.800 Do you want to direct to Nip Tuck or would 0:24:07.840 --> 0:24:10.959 you rather direct a glee And at the time there 0:24:11.000 --> 0:24:13.119 was so much I just kept saying, I want to 0:24:13.119 --> 0:24:16.480 do whatever makes me most valuable to you, like I 0:24:16.760 --> 0:24:22.680 want to direct. But so in season one, my name 0:24:22.800 --> 0:24:26.800 came out on hairography mm hm, right when they put 0:24:26.800 --> 0:24:30.359 the first draft of Hierography out. But the studio called 0:24:30.400 --> 0:24:35.000 and said, Ryan got on a plane to go to India, right, uh, 0:24:35.280 --> 0:24:40.000 scouting for Eat Pray Love, And you've never directed, and 0:24:40.000 --> 0:24:43.879 it's like you have to wait, right my script. My 0:24:43.880 --> 0:24:48.840 my name was on the script for SmackDown, right uh. 0:24:49.840 --> 0:24:52.600 And again you know, it was like, oh, it's too soon. 0:24:53.000 --> 0:24:54.480 It's like there's too much you know. 0:24:55.080 --> 0:24:57.680 Yeah, And so. 0:24:57.160 --> 0:24:59.040 So it was kind of like it was there were all. 0:24:59.440 --> 0:25:00.879 It was in the it was in the water. 0:25:01.240 --> 0:25:03.480 I actually the first thing that I ever directed, I 0:25:03.480 --> 0:25:07.480 don't know if you remember this, Kevin, was the porta 0:25:07.560 --> 0:25:10.040 potty in the pilot when you were stuck in the 0:25:10.040 --> 0:25:10.679 porta potty. 0:25:10.760 --> 0:25:12.119 Yeah there was. 0:25:13.119 --> 0:25:16.120 Ryan hadn't shot the inside of the porta potty when 0:25:16.119 --> 0:25:17.120 you were trapped. 0:25:16.760 --> 0:25:18.800 On Yes, yeah, that's right, that's right. 0:25:19.000 --> 0:25:20.800 And he sent me out and he was like, go 0:25:20.920 --> 0:25:24.240 over there and set that up and you shoot it. 0:25:24.600 --> 0:25:27.439 I do remember. Oh, I completely forgot about that. Oh 0:25:27.480 --> 0:25:30.040 my god, because it was like a quick thing. We 0:25:30.119 --> 0:25:33.400 like came over just did that piece, just. 0:25:33.280 --> 0:25:34.960 That little thing. Yeah, right. 0:25:36.880 --> 0:25:39.200 That felt really fancy to me too, by the way, 0:25:39.240 --> 0:25:41.400 like it was the first time I had been called 0:25:41.440 --> 0:25:42.840 to like, oh, we have to go do this thing 0:25:42.840 --> 0:25:44.800 that we didn't do before, and I don't know why. 0:25:44.880 --> 0:25:47.920 I'm like, oh, we're really making a TV show, right. 0:25:48.000 --> 0:25:52.040 That felt really like on the fly, you know, go 0:25:52.119 --> 0:25:54.399 get in that costume, go do this. I'm like, yeah, great, 0:25:54.440 --> 0:25:55.520 this is so exciting. 0:25:55.920 --> 0:25:58.040 Do you remember we took the back out of the Yes, 0:25:58.280 --> 0:25:59.400 the back out of it, so it. 0:25:59.440 --> 0:26:02.000 Was like real movie make it like that's what it 0:26:02.240 --> 0:26:03.639 was like to be yes. 0:26:04.680 --> 0:26:07.679 But but so when r so basically Ryan came to 0:26:07.720 --> 0:26:09.520 me after he play level was like, I'm going to 0:26:09.600 --> 0:26:13.359 give you, ah, I'm gonna make it. I'm gonna make 0:26:13.400 --> 0:26:15.280 it a special episode. I'm gonna make I'm gonna give 0:26:15.280 --> 0:26:19.880 you an episode that counts, right, And I mean that 0:26:20.040 --> 0:26:23.960 script was such a gift to be able to. It 0:26:24.080 --> 0:26:26.760 was just such a you know, it was it was 0:26:26.800 --> 0:26:29.840 such a turning point. It was a twist in its 0:26:29.880 --> 0:26:33.840 own way. It was like wheels like wheels was that 0:26:33.920 --> 0:26:35.840 it was like it was such a revelation that on 0:26:35.960 --> 0:26:39.480 the page that was hands down like the biggest thing 0:26:39.520 --> 0:26:43.360 that we did in season one, right to reveal that 0:26:43.480 --> 0:26:48.800 Sue you know, had a soft spot, right right right, 0:26:49.359 --> 0:26:51.560 and then it was like to take the bully and 0:26:51.640 --> 0:26:53.760 you know, make the give the bully a secret. 0:26:55.000 --> 0:26:55.200 Right. 0:26:58.280 --> 0:27:01.080 But so that was you know that that was the 0:27:01.359 --> 0:27:06.199 I mean, he completely set me up to succeed, you know. 0:27:07.200 --> 0:27:10.640 And it's like, in hindsight, had you know, had been hierography, 0:27:11.359 --> 0:27:12.840 that may have been the only one I ever. 0:27:12.720 --> 0:27:15.240 Did, right, Yeah, you know what I mean, because some 0:27:15.280 --> 0:27:19.200 of those were trickier. You know, we'd have directors in there, yeah, 0:27:19.200 --> 0:27:20.760 and we're like, oh, how are they going to do this? 0:27:20.800 --> 0:27:23.400 Because yeah, some of them are just trickier to make, 0:27:23.440 --> 0:27:26.320 like some of the kookier things if you would lean 0:27:26.359 --> 0:27:29.120 into them a little too much, like is that going 0:27:29.160 --> 0:27:31.080 to work as well? You never know? 0:27:31.359 --> 0:27:33.760 But well and right, And it's like some of them were. 0:27:33.840 --> 0:27:36.760 And it was one of those things where it was like, look, 0:27:37.160 --> 0:27:42.560 I always wanted to direct. I've had no idea that 0:27:42.640 --> 0:27:46.280 I would really get to transition out right, you know 0:27:46.320 --> 0:27:49.360 what I mean, Like it was like and had that 0:27:49.520 --> 0:27:55.720 episode not been what it was very easy. It's very 0:27:55.920 --> 0:27:58.639 lots of people get one episode, right, you know what 0:27:58.680 --> 0:28:02.280 I mean, Like you get one chance, and it's like 0:28:02.359 --> 0:28:04.680 I've always you know, it's like they say, better better 0:28:04.680 --> 0:28:07.600 to be lucky than good, right, And it was. 0:28:07.600 --> 0:28:09.760 Like it was I was so lucky. 0:28:10.480 --> 0:28:13.880 It's both, I mean, it was yeah, and I'm sure 0:28:13.920 --> 0:28:15.919 you had you had also had an advantage of like 0:28:16.000 --> 0:28:19.160 coming in as an editor, knowing what what you're sending 0:28:19.200 --> 0:28:22.120 to the cutting room, right, you know what you need 0:28:22.160 --> 0:28:24.280 to get, you know if you have it or not, 0:28:24.480 --> 0:28:26.800 if they can make it work with what you've got 0:28:26.800 --> 0:28:30.040 that day, and then also just having the wherewithal like 0:28:30.119 --> 0:28:32.199 we don't need that. There's a bunch of you know, 0:28:32.400 --> 0:28:35.639 to make your days. I think the skilled part that 0:28:35.760 --> 0:28:38.280 comes in is like you were so actor friendly, and 0:28:38.360 --> 0:28:43.560 most of our directors that we we liked working with 0:28:43.600 --> 0:28:46.000 the most worthy, actor friendly ones who came in and 0:28:46.080 --> 0:28:49.040 knew the character or helped us kind of like what 0:28:49.120 --> 0:28:51.680 we already know about these characters, right, they're like, this 0:28:51.800 --> 0:28:55.080 is your house, tummy, and let's collaborate and make this work. 0:28:56.120 --> 0:28:58.960 And then having the big picture. So it's it's interesting 0:28:59.000 --> 0:29:01.440 to me because you came and so actor friendly from 0:29:01.480 --> 0:29:06.040 the start, and also just with the wherewithal to be like, Okay, 0:29:06.160 --> 0:29:08.760 this is this is the vision, here's the plan. We've 0:29:08.760 --> 0:29:10.880 got it. You know, we're crossing its shots off the 0:29:11.520 --> 0:29:12.480 big whiteboard. 0:29:13.760 --> 0:29:15.040 Yeah, it's incredible. 0:29:15.440 --> 0:29:19.200 Well, I felt like I listened to most I listened 0:29:19.200 --> 0:29:21.560 to a lot of the podcasts and listening to people 0:29:21.640 --> 0:29:24.360 talk and like, you know, the things that you guys 0:29:24.400 --> 0:29:27.960 talk about on the show is so interesting because my 0:29:28.120 --> 0:29:32.080 experience was so different in so many ways. 0:29:32.480 --> 0:29:33.520 Like I felt like. 0:29:33.600 --> 0:29:39.360 My job was to just tell the story right and 0:29:39.440 --> 0:29:42.000 whatever the story was, whatever it was given. You know, 0:29:42.120 --> 0:29:44.880 people lots of people had thoughts about whether this story 0:29:45.000 --> 0:29:47.520 or this It was like my job was to make 0:29:47.560 --> 0:29:50.640 it work right, and that was my training from the editing. 0:29:51.400 --> 0:29:53.840 So it was like, in order to make this work, 0:29:54.200 --> 0:29:55.680 the only way I know how to do this is 0:29:55.800 --> 0:29:59.400 this right. And it's like as time went on, you know, 0:29:59.560 --> 0:30:01.760 or it's like you know, it's like when we lost 0:30:01.840 --> 0:30:04.040 Corey and it was like there was always that thing 0:30:04.080 --> 0:30:04.440 that was like. 0:30:04.400 --> 0:30:06.200 Should the show have ended? Or like. 0:30:07.840 --> 0:30:11.600 I could never think about that right, Like that that 0:30:11.840 --> 0:30:15.960 just to me, that wasn't my job, right, Like my 0:30:16.120 --> 0:30:19.280 job was to show up every day and try to 0:30:19.480 --> 0:30:24.880 inspire you guys to lean in in the best possible 0:30:24.920 --> 0:30:29.840 way to tell this, Like I I have some funny 0:30:29.880 --> 0:30:33.720 memories of like like it was very it was always 0:30:34.040 --> 0:30:39.920 just just stay with me, right, And so here here 0:30:39.960 --> 0:30:42.719 a couple of good ones. When we were shooting uh 0:30:44.000 --> 0:30:53.200 the funeral. During the we're singing pure imagination. Yeah, everyone's 0:30:53.400 --> 0:30:56.520 everyone's in the like lined up in the choir and 0:30:57.360 --> 0:31:00.640 we we start rolling and I walk around the back 0:31:01.360 --> 0:31:03.520 and there's a curtain back there, and when I opened 0:31:03.520 --> 0:31:06.120 the curtain, there are two cast members standing in the 0:31:06.160 --> 0:31:08.320 back playing a video game on their phone. 0:31:09.160 --> 0:31:10.800 Like during the number. 0:31:16.880 --> 0:31:17.480 Oh god. 0:31:18.200 --> 0:31:22.000 Yeah, and it was just like, okay, cut, we just 0:31:22.040 --> 0:31:29.080 don't do that, right, let's go again. Right, they were 0:31:29.120 --> 0:31:32.800 on camera, they were on camera, they were standing in 0:31:33.000 --> 0:31:34.080 standing in the back row. 0:31:34.560 --> 0:31:36.960 Everyone was like, so they couldn't have been me. They 0:31:36.960 --> 0:31:37.560 couldn't have been me. 0:31:39.320 --> 0:31:40.600 You remember this, yes, I do. 0:31:41.400 --> 0:31:43.760 Oh my god, that is bold. 0:31:45.800 --> 0:31:50.640 It was a weird It was a weird energy day. 0:31:50.720 --> 0:31:51.760 I'll never forget it. 0:31:51.880 --> 0:31:52.800 That was a weird day. 0:31:53.040 --> 0:31:54.000 Yeah, for sure. 0:31:55.880 --> 0:31:58.160 And then it was you know, there'll be things like 0:31:58.280 --> 0:32:00.480 someone would come up and say, you know, like during 0:32:00.760 --> 0:32:04.400 during one of the competitions, someone will come up. Let's say, okay, well, 0:32:04.440 --> 0:32:07.080 the cast is decided they're not going to sing the 0:32:07.080 --> 0:32:11.960 background vocals in the song, right because they didn't record them. Yeah, 0:32:12.040 --> 0:32:13.960 And so they've all gotten together and they've all decided 0:32:13.960 --> 0:32:15.720 that they're not going to sing the background vocals. 0:32:16.800 --> 0:32:17.480 We did that. 0:32:18.040 --> 0:32:20.880 So I call everybody together and I would just be like, you, guys, 0:32:21.800 --> 0:32:25.120 I've heard that you don't want to sing the background vocals. 0:32:25.200 --> 0:32:27.400 I know your voices aren't in there. I'm so sorry. 0:32:28.000 --> 0:32:29.080 I just want to tell you that. 0:32:29.280 --> 0:32:32.520 Like I called Adamanders and I've set up a recording 0:32:32.560 --> 0:32:35.480 session after we wrap tonight, so you guys can all 0:32:35.560 --> 0:32:37.800 get your voices in there, but I need you to 0:32:37.840 --> 0:32:41.040 sing the temp track today, right, And if you don't 0:32:41.040 --> 0:32:42.520 want to do it, we can wait and we can 0:32:42.560 --> 0:32:45.440 put And it was like, no, we'll do it, We'll 0:32:45.480 --> 0:32:47.880 just sing it. 0:32:47.880 --> 0:32:51.120 It's like when I've heard stories of like other shows 0:32:51.160 --> 0:32:56.400 where there are potentially more challenging actors in how they 0:32:56.840 --> 0:32:59.560 stage a scene or block a scene before in their rehearsal, 0:32:59.640 --> 0:33:02.440 and you know, the director would know have the wherewithal 0:33:02.480 --> 0:33:04.480 to be like, okay, I know this actor is going 0:33:04.520 --> 0:33:06.240 to be like, well what if I went left instead 0:33:06.240 --> 0:33:09.360 of going right? And so the director would then go, okay, 0:33:09.520 --> 0:33:12.080 I think maybe you should go right here at this point, 0:33:12.160 --> 0:33:14.640 and they the actor would be like, no, I think 0:33:14.640 --> 0:33:17.120 I'll go left. 0:33:19.440 --> 0:33:23.680 I would do things like set my backpack on a 0:33:23.760 --> 0:33:29.240 chair that I didn't want you to sit in when 0:33:29.560 --> 0:33:31.480 you came in, like and I would, you know, and 0:33:31.520 --> 0:33:33.360 it was like I was sort of arranged. 0:33:33.280 --> 0:33:35.360 The room right. 0:33:35.920 --> 0:33:38.720 I shook And a couple of times. 0:33:39.000 --> 0:33:41.800 This was like on that New York set, like someone 0:33:41.840 --> 0:33:43.400 would come in and be like, you know what, I'm 0:33:43.400 --> 0:33:46.400 gonna sit there. I've never sat in that chair before 0:33:47.400 --> 0:33:48.400 I love that idea. 0:33:49.480 --> 0:33:55.680 Ah, I can't get We were such poles, were going 0:33:55.720 --> 0:33:58.840 to sing backgrounds well I. 0:33:58.840 --> 0:34:02.720 Remember, I don't remember which competition it was, but it 0:34:02.840 --> 0:34:09.239 was the introduction of the Brad Beaker wig. We were 0:34:09.280 --> 0:34:14.520 doing some insane nationals regional sectionals one of those which 0:34:14.560 --> 0:34:18.880 Brad always got those because it was very organized. He 0:34:18.920 --> 0:34:21.600 had a big whiteboard with all the shots we needed 0:34:21.640 --> 0:34:26.080 from all of the different choirs, including interactions, and literally 0:34:26.120 --> 0:34:29.520 it would be like people would be crossing these shots 0:34:29.560 --> 0:34:32.440 off and it's the way we got them done. He 0:34:32.520 --> 0:34:35.960 got them done so efficiently. And if you saw Brad 0:34:35.960 --> 0:34:38.279 at one of those in one of those episodes, we 0:34:38.280 --> 0:34:40.960 were like, we're just gonna get it done, like we 0:34:41.040 --> 0:34:43.800 just knew. We were like, okay, we're in good hands. 0:34:44.680 --> 0:34:48.600 But there was one and we were working really late, right, 0:34:48.840 --> 0:34:51.799 it was a really late night, and I don't know 0:34:51.800 --> 0:34:54.200 where this came from, Brad or who you got this from. 0:34:54.280 --> 0:34:57.160 I mean, there is a hair department, but Brad put 0:34:57.239 --> 0:35:02.920 on a wig and it really shifted the framework for 0:35:03.239 --> 0:35:05.640 how we went about the rest of that day, like 0:35:06.280 --> 0:35:09.439 it's not that serious, let's get it done. We're here 0:35:10.160 --> 0:35:11.000 and it's funny. 0:35:11.120 --> 0:35:11.640 I don't know. 0:35:11.719 --> 0:35:13.319 There was something about it. And then when I came 0:35:13.360 --> 0:35:17.600 to shadow you on American Horror Story, the wig was back. 0:35:17.840 --> 0:35:18.640 The wig lived on. 0:35:18.920 --> 0:35:22.480 Wait really, yeah, no way the wig lives. 0:35:22.800 --> 0:35:23.919 Where did the wig come from? 0:35:23.920 --> 0:35:25.280 Brad Okay? 0:35:25.360 --> 0:35:30.440 So the you know the first time the war the 0:35:30.440 --> 0:35:33.040 wig wants as a joke, right, I think I wore 0:35:33.040 --> 0:35:37.399 it at that competition as a joke and it immediately 0:35:39.520 --> 0:35:43.200 created a levity on set that I've found so valuable. 0:35:43.400 --> 0:35:45.960 You knew your audience and so yeah, and just but. 0:35:46.040 --> 0:35:47.960 Just I would just come around the corner and you 0:35:47.960 --> 0:35:49.719 would forget that it was me, and it would be like, 0:35:50.440 --> 0:35:52.920 it's not so bad. He's wearing a wig, you know 0:35:52.960 --> 0:35:59.279 what I mean. But there was one during in I 0:35:59.280 --> 0:36:04.920 Think It's wedding was in season six. Right in season six, 0:36:06.239 --> 0:36:09.440 I was I'd been sent to New Orleans. 0:36:09.920 --> 0:36:11.440 I was on American Horrse. 0:36:11.239 --> 0:36:15.839 Story, and I had shot all night and I had 0:36:15.880 --> 0:36:17.640 to fly back. 0:36:18.880 --> 0:36:19.760 To shoot the wedding. 0:36:20.000 --> 0:36:22.600 And so I'd shot all night, got on a plane, 0:36:23.280 --> 0:36:27.400 flew to LA. They picked me up and and I 0:36:27.480 --> 0:36:36.319 was coming straight to set to go. But I decided 0:36:36.520 --> 0:36:38.799 that the only way I was going to really be 0:36:38.840 --> 0:36:42.200 able to get through the day was to just take 0:36:42.239 --> 0:36:46.160 on an alter ego. So I put on the black wig. 0:36:47.000 --> 0:36:49.799 And the best part was that Jennifer Coolidge was there, 0:36:51.040 --> 0:36:53.840 right and at the end of the day she got 0:36:53.960 --> 0:36:58.360 on the on the golf cart with Nya and Heather 0:36:58.640 --> 0:37:01.040 and somebody else and she was like, I really love 0:37:01.120 --> 0:37:02.400 that black haired director. 0:37:05.320 --> 0:37:06.280 She didn't know. 0:37:12.480 --> 0:37:14.280 What an episode to direct. 0:37:16.680 --> 0:37:17.319 It got me through. 0:37:17.480 --> 0:37:19.399 It got me through that day, and you know where 0:37:19.440 --> 0:37:21.719 it was like I just all of a sudden, I 0:37:21.800 --> 0:37:22.520 was someone else. 0:37:22.840 --> 0:37:25.560 Yeah, you needed some levity. That's the power, the power 0:37:25.560 --> 0:37:29.279 of drag. Yeah, that's right, right, it really is. 0:37:38.160 --> 0:37:44.839 You've also had some other difficult, complicated episodes, like Shooting Star. 0:37:45.600 --> 0:37:46.640 That was a tricky one. 0:37:46.800 --> 0:37:48.560 You've had some really great ones. I mean, like I 0:37:48.600 --> 0:37:51.200 have a list here of like Frenemies, which we loved, 0:37:51.239 --> 0:37:54.759 and the wedding and obviously the series finale you got 0:37:54.800 --> 0:37:56.919 to do, which was such a blessing to have you there. 0:37:56.960 --> 0:38:00.480 But like, yeah, something like Funeral, which is kind of stranger, 0:38:00.560 --> 0:38:04.600 like Shooting Star was, I'm sure incredibly challenging. 0:38:05.280 --> 0:38:08.919 Well, let's talk about that for a second. It's like that, 0:38:09.200 --> 0:38:14.479 you know, one of the things that I always try, 0:38:14.560 --> 0:38:17.120 you know, It's like I listened to a couple of 0:38:17.160 --> 0:38:19.719 paris Is, you know, and you know, Paris would say 0:38:19.719 --> 0:38:21.719 like he wanted to keep it simple, to keep it 0:38:21.800 --> 0:38:25.919 about the acting, right, and it's like I love that. 0:38:26.160 --> 0:38:29.799 I didn't feel like I always felt like what I 0:38:29.920 --> 0:38:36.680 tried to do was let the content drive the shooting strategy, 0:38:37.080 --> 0:38:39.720 and you know, we really you know, it's like Brian 0:38:39.800 --> 0:38:42.640 and Brad and Ian would each do their own unique 0:38:42.719 --> 0:38:46.080 things and as auteurs, they could kind of go wherever 0:38:46.120 --> 0:38:50.759 they wanted. And I always tried to kind of, you know, 0:38:52.320 --> 0:38:56.080 use the inspiration that people brought in, right, but then 0:38:56.200 --> 0:38:59.840 channel it to and what the content was, what the 0:39:00.040 --> 0:39:00.600 story was. 0:39:00.760 --> 0:39:02.239 And when they said they wanted to do. 0:39:02.280 --> 0:39:06.760 Shots fired in school, right, it was like you really 0:39:06.800 --> 0:39:07.879 go down there and it's like. 0:39:07.920 --> 0:39:14.200 How do we do this organically? Right? And I really upset. 0:39:13.840 --> 0:39:16.120 The camera department because I went to the camera department 0:39:16.120 --> 0:39:19.840 and I told Andrew and Dwayne that they weren't allowed 0:39:19.880 --> 0:39:22.920 to come to rehearsal and I needed them to go 0:39:23.080 --> 0:39:26.040 outside and they couldn't be on stage. 0:39:25.719 --> 0:39:27.840 While we were rehearsing in the scene. 0:39:28.239 --> 0:39:31.799 Yeah right, yeah, wow, yep. 0:39:31.920 --> 0:39:35.319 And they were so they were so mad right. 0:39:37.480 --> 0:39:40.719 But if you remember, it was like and Jenna, you 0:39:40.800 --> 0:39:43.239 weren't you weren't there, No, it was you were on 0:39:43.280 --> 0:39:45.719 the you were on the bus, that's correct, right. I 0:39:45.719 --> 0:39:48.120 believe you were in trouble at the time for some reason. 0:39:48.840 --> 0:39:51.000 Was I No, I was in the episode though. 0:39:51.120 --> 0:39:52.720 Oh you were in the episode for sure. 0:39:53.239 --> 0:39:53.479 Yeah. 0:39:53.880 --> 0:39:56.440 Oh, I was just stuck outside. 0:39:56.880 --> 0:39:59.680 You were stuck outside, yes, right, uh. 0:40:00.360 --> 0:40:03.640 But the you know what we did was we went 0:40:03.680 --> 0:40:08.120 in and I just said, we're not going to rehearse, right, 0:40:08.400 --> 0:40:12.680 and I put I put a note in three different 0:40:12.719 --> 0:40:16.040 spots in the choir room right where it was like, Okay, 0:40:16.239 --> 0:40:20.919 when you hear shots fired, go hide. There are three 0:40:20.920 --> 0:40:22.960 places you can hide when you get there. If you 0:40:23.000 --> 0:40:25.560 don't know what to do. There's an order of events. 0:40:26.600 --> 0:40:28.560 And if you need to talk to someone and they're 0:40:28.600 --> 0:40:31.920 not hiding, where you are all across the floor and 0:40:31.960 --> 0:40:32.359 find them. 0:40:32.560 --> 0:40:34.280 Yeah, oh my god. 0:40:34.640 --> 0:40:37.040 Right yeah. 0:40:36.040 --> 0:40:39.200 And then we brought the operators in and we put 0:40:39.239 --> 0:40:43.239 the operators and they all put thousand foot mags on, right, 0:40:43.280 --> 0:40:44.840 which is about ten minutes of film. 0:40:45.040 --> 0:40:46.439 Yep, oh my god. 0:40:48.239 --> 0:40:52.080 And we had a little you know, starter pistol, right, 0:40:52.400 --> 0:40:56.719 m h. And then we just ran extras. We ran 0:40:56.840 --> 0:40:58.840 background around the outside. 0:40:58.400 --> 0:40:58.839 Of the thing. 0:40:59.200 --> 0:40:59.920 Yeah, oh my god. 0:41:00.600 --> 0:41:05.240 And we did eight takes. 0:41:06.719 --> 0:41:10.439 We rolled out every single time, so we shot ten 0:41:10.480 --> 0:41:19.480 minutes and we all sat in the village and cried. Right, 0:41:19.680 --> 0:41:23.040 It was like we were so it was terrifying. Yeah, right, 0:41:23.560 --> 0:41:27.840 but we wrapped at lunch. We shot ten pages before lunch. 0:41:31.520 --> 0:41:33.720 But it felt like the only honest. 0:41:33.320 --> 0:41:35.160 Way to tell that story. 0:41:35.719 --> 0:41:38.719 And so the camera operators didn't know where to look, right, 0:41:38.800 --> 0:41:42.200 so they were having to find the story right, and 0:41:42.280 --> 0:41:45.160 you guys were having to find it in the I 0:41:45.160 --> 0:41:46.719 mean I remember you were out of your you were 0:41:46.719 --> 0:41:50.880 out of your chair up against the wall, right, and 0:41:50.920 --> 0:41:56.480 you were the filmmaker, right, But it felt like the 0:41:56.719 --> 0:42:01.920 only honest way to do that, Like if we it 0:42:01.960 --> 0:42:04.480 felt to me like if I had shot that conventionally, 0:42:04.600 --> 0:42:10.200 it would have felt so manipulative. Yeah, for the show 0:42:10.239 --> 0:42:16.319 that we were right, Yeah, so I should you know, 0:42:16.640 --> 0:42:20.160 but it it wasn't. I wasn't trying to show off 0:42:20.280 --> 0:42:21.880 or just trying to make it work. 0:42:22.320 --> 0:42:26.680 Yeah, And as like being an actor in that situation, 0:42:28.320 --> 0:42:30.440 because we were all also worried about how do you 0:42:31.239 --> 0:42:33.680 make this work? Like is this should we even be 0:42:33.760 --> 0:42:35.680 doing this? All those questions that you were saying, like, 0:42:35.920 --> 0:42:37.839 it's not really our problem, we just have to figure 0:42:37.840 --> 0:42:42.640 out how to make it work right. And the tone 0:42:42.719 --> 0:42:47.520 set that day by you and your plan got rid 0:42:47.520 --> 0:42:50.200 of all those doubts and extra questions for us because 0:42:50.280 --> 0:42:53.200 now we had a plan something that we had never 0:42:53.239 --> 0:42:56.160 done before that was immersive in that way, and because 0:42:56.160 --> 0:42:59.400 it was new for everybody and sort of unsettling for everybody, 0:43:00.120 --> 0:43:02.680 you certainly pull up and figure out, we're going to 0:43:02.719 --> 0:43:05.360 make this thing work, and it's exciting and it's a challenge, 0:43:05.960 --> 0:43:07.959 and it made it so much easier to get into 0:43:07.960 --> 0:43:12.120 that really horribly dark place of what was going on 0:43:12.880 --> 0:43:16.040 in that scene, but it was from like a working perspective. 0:43:16.080 --> 0:43:18.839 It was really really exciting in this episode that we 0:43:18.840 --> 0:43:23.040 were all really nervous about doing right, and it made 0:43:23.080 --> 0:43:26.000 it probably isn't the right word, it made it really 0:43:26.000 --> 0:43:31.239 fun because we were like, oh my god, yeah, it 0:43:31.280 --> 0:43:33.600 felt honest. It felt like we were doing sort of 0:43:33.600 --> 0:43:38.840 like a short one act play without any rehearsal of 0:43:38.920 --> 0:43:41.920 like do we actually know this scene? Like that's why 0:43:42.040 --> 0:43:43.960 you put up those notes, and it really really helped, 0:43:44.320 --> 0:43:46.719 but it also felt safe of we by that point 0:43:46.800 --> 0:43:50.000 we had this great relationship with you. We knew you 0:43:50.000 --> 0:43:52.520 would catch us and make us look good, and you 0:43:52.800 --> 0:43:55.839 that day made us all feel like there, you can't 0:43:55.880 --> 0:43:59.080 do anything wrong, Like if the camera finds you, then 0:43:59.200 --> 0:44:02.040 just say you're lying. Then like just you were just 0:44:02.040 --> 0:44:05.000 going to make it work. And we'd sit there for 0:44:05.040 --> 0:44:07.920 like ten minutes in that scene, which feels like an 0:44:07.920 --> 0:44:12.239 eternity because it's silent and it's dark and it's you're 0:44:12.280 --> 0:44:15.160 not calling out to do anything. Every few minutes you 0:44:15.200 --> 0:44:19.520 hear a background actor running through the hallway. It was 0:44:19.600 --> 0:44:25.720 really terrifying. But the way you set that up hopefully 0:44:25.719 --> 0:44:27.480 made it, you know, so successful for us to be 0:44:27.480 --> 0:44:29.560 able to operate in that it was fascinating. 0:44:30.400 --> 0:44:31.200 I was proud of it. 0:44:31.200 --> 0:44:33.160 It was like that it was one of those there 0:44:33.200 --> 0:44:36.120 were a few times, you know, it's like when I 0:44:36.160 --> 0:44:39.279 don't when we did the Beatles and Blaine came in 0:44:39.320 --> 0:44:41.920 to tell you guys all that he wanted to propose 0:44:42.000 --> 0:44:47.120 to Kurt right, and you know, it was like they've 0:44:47.120 --> 0:44:50.120 been broken up, he cheated on him, you know, And 0:44:50.160 --> 0:44:51.520 you come in at the top of it and it 0:44:51.640 --> 0:44:53.480 was like, you know, you look at it and you're 0:44:53.560 --> 0:44:55.840 just like, how am I going to. 0:44:55.840 --> 0:44:57.080 Make anyone believe this. 0:44:57.600 --> 0:45:01.600 Yeah, yeah, and it's a five minute like the way 0:45:01.640 --> 0:45:04.600 that I what I ultimately decided was that we couldn't 0:45:04.640 --> 0:45:08.400 cut right and it was completely choreographed. But it's like, 0:45:08.440 --> 0:45:10.239 you know, he goes to each person and it's like 0:45:10.400 --> 0:45:12.080 I need it because of this, and I need because 0:45:12.120 --> 0:45:16.080 of this, and yep. The way I felt when it 0:45:16.120 --> 0:45:19.360 was it was like, well, I don't know if I 0:45:19.440 --> 0:45:23.759 completely agree with this or this, but it's like, you 0:45:23.760 --> 0:45:26.600 know what, he's really committed, and I guess we should 0:45:26.600 --> 0:45:27.000 just help it. 0:45:27.680 --> 0:45:31.399 Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah, you know. 0:45:32.880 --> 0:45:35.399 That was it was, And that was always the way 0:45:35.440 --> 0:45:38.160 I liked to approach. That was just like, okay, what's 0:45:38.200 --> 0:45:40.680 the visual way to tell this story? 0:45:41.160 --> 0:45:43.600 Yeah, very clear, and it always felt like that. It 0:45:43.640 --> 0:45:48.120 always like your respect and it also makes obviously we 0:45:48.200 --> 0:45:50.800 knew you had been involved in the show from the 0:45:50.880 --> 0:45:54.120 very beginning, but hearing now about how you really helped 0:45:54.600 --> 0:45:56.319 or were there at like the birth of like what 0:45:56.400 --> 0:45:59.960 the DNA of the show became, so you knew it 0:46:00.080 --> 0:46:05.920 in a way that only maybe Ryan did, and you 0:46:05.960 --> 0:46:09.440 had because you have those early conversations because you auditioned 0:46:09.440 --> 0:46:13.560 for show choir, like you had this like really specific 0:46:14.239 --> 0:46:19.319 experience to be able to do those things and make 0:46:19.360 --> 0:46:21.760 them work and just trust that the story was gonna 0:46:21.800 --> 0:46:24.719 somehow come out in a way that you wanted it to. 0:46:26.200 --> 0:46:30.080 And always it was always with respect, right, and always 0:46:30.120 --> 0:46:33.200 with it was like always trying to just make it 0:46:33.200 --> 0:46:35.920 the most honest version of it. And it's like, look, 0:46:36.000 --> 0:46:39.360 it didn't always work, and I wasn't always right or like, 0:46:40.200 --> 0:46:43.200 but you know, I always remember in season six, it 0:46:43.320 --> 0:46:47.640 was like that first episode back put a lot of 0:46:47.960 --> 0:46:51.360 extra stuff in there, right to try to sell what 0:46:51.480 --> 0:46:53.719 I thought the story was. It was like I think 0:46:53.880 --> 0:46:59.359 Jim Rash came in to tell Leah, you know, tell 0:46:59.480 --> 0:47:02.960 Rachel that she was fired from the show. It was 0:47:03.000 --> 0:47:06.400 like yeah, but but but we let him improv and 0:47:06.480 --> 0:47:09.560 he sort of really it didn't make the cut, but 0:47:09.640 --> 0:47:12.960 it was like Ryan was upset, like it was like 0:47:13.360 --> 0:47:19.280 it's gone too far maybe you know, yeah. 0:47:17.960 --> 0:47:19.520 But there were always options. 0:47:19.760 --> 0:47:22.120 Yeah, it was like it was always done in this 0:47:22.200 --> 0:47:27.319 way of like trying to uh honor what was there, right, 0:47:27.400 --> 0:47:29.600 it was like take on me, remember that we did 0:47:29.680 --> 0:47:33.759 the sketches, but it was like none of that was 0:47:33.760 --> 0:47:36.000 in the script, right. 0:47:36.200 --> 0:47:38.720 It's like that whole the homage to the video. 0:47:39.000 --> 0:47:41.440 Yeah, and that's the whole I mean, that makes the 0:47:41.440 --> 0:47:43.919 whole number Like that is that is what the number 0:47:44.000 --> 0:47:45.040 is about. 0:47:45.080 --> 0:47:50.080 The comic strip into the Yeah so cool and everybody there. 0:47:51.560 --> 0:47:55.240 What about the final episode, Like that's not a small 0:47:55.239 --> 0:47:58.759 feat to have a series finale that you have to 0:47:58.800 --> 0:48:01.760 close out a store. Now, obviously you're on that journey 0:48:01.760 --> 0:48:03.680 with us, you're not coming in out of nowhere, you know, 0:48:03.800 --> 0:48:07.359 But did that feel like it had more weight to it. 0:48:08.840 --> 0:48:12.839 When a two thousand and nine I always thought may 0:48:12.840 --> 0:48:14.440 have been the you know, it was like could have 0:48:14.480 --> 0:48:19.319 been the finale everybody you know, right, and it's like 0:48:19.680 --> 0:48:21.680 but but I'll tell you there were a couple. 0:48:21.600 --> 0:48:27.160 Things about about the finale. For me, it was like. 0:48:29.440 --> 0:48:33.359 I really thought that last line, that that thing that 0:48:33.400 --> 0:48:38.040 they posted on the on the wall, you know, it 0:48:38.120 --> 0:48:40.799 takes a lot of bravery to look around and see 0:48:40.840 --> 0:48:43.160 the world not as it is, but as it should be, 0:48:44.440 --> 0:48:44.640 you know. 0:48:45.000 --> 0:48:49.239 Like to me, it's like that was the. 0:48:49.160 --> 0:48:54.439 Show always right, like always pushing the way the world 0:48:54.520 --> 0:48:57.440 should be, not the way it really is, you know, 0:48:58.680 --> 0:49:04.160 and that always touched me in such a way that 0:49:04.239 --> 0:49:08.160 it was like that was worth it. Yeah, you know, 0:49:10.480 --> 0:49:13.400 and you know, look, it was a huge like I 0:49:13.480 --> 0:49:14.960 carried it like the way to the world. It was 0:49:15.000 --> 0:49:20.320 a huge honor to be able to shoot the last episode. 0:49:19.040 --> 0:49:23.040 Right, It feels right too, especially you know, your involvement 0:49:23.080 --> 0:49:24.359 from the conception of the show. 0:49:24.640 --> 0:49:25.920 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:49:25.719 --> 0:49:27.759 But Brad could have done it, you know, it's like, 0:49:28.080 --> 0:49:29.919 you know, and and it would have been it would 0:49:29.960 --> 0:49:36.480 have been great. And but but I think that for me, 0:49:36.600 --> 0:49:39.799 it was like that moment really was the one that 0:49:40.200 --> 0:49:43.279 hit home, right. It was like at that point, I 0:49:43.320 --> 0:49:46.719 think there was still it was like I really if 0:49:46.719 --> 0:49:50.959 you guys remember that opening shot through the mirror where 0:49:50.960 --> 0:49:53.720 we pushed through the mirror and it's like, you guys, 0:49:53.760 --> 0:49:55.560 some of you had to run around the other side 0:49:55.600 --> 0:49:57.760 of the you know, from one side of the stage 0:49:57.760 --> 0:50:00.560 to the other, and there were like doubles and and 0:50:00.640 --> 0:50:03.960 it was like we were pushing through the mirror and 0:50:04.000 --> 0:50:07.080 that idea of like pushing through our reflections and. 0:50:09.840 --> 0:50:13.000 You know, there was some fun stuff there. Yeah. 0:50:13.040 --> 0:50:15.680 Watching that episode is one of those cases too, where 0:50:15.719 --> 0:50:22.000 you have so much to do emotionally. It's not just 0:50:22.000 --> 0:50:24.560 what's in the episode, it's also six years that have 0:50:24.640 --> 0:50:28.799 led up to it, and because you have these time 0:50:28.920 --> 0:50:32.759 jumps where that's also something that I feel like can 0:50:32.800 --> 0:50:37.359 get off the rails pretty easily and quickly. And when 0:50:37.400 --> 0:50:43.799 we were watching it this time, it's so grounded and 0:50:43.840 --> 0:50:46.560 so moving or I think a lot of series finales 0:50:46.600 --> 0:50:51.240 do the time jump thing, and some work better than others. 0:50:51.880 --> 0:50:54.320 And I was really proud watching it because I felt 0:50:54.320 --> 0:50:58.040 like it works so successfully. It still feels like the 0:50:58.080 --> 0:51:00.319 same show, where a lot of times when you watch 0:51:00.320 --> 0:51:02.759 a series finale, sometimes they do a big swing and 0:51:02.800 --> 0:51:04.680 it feels like you're watching a different show. So it's 0:51:04.680 --> 0:51:09.120 not satisfying. And I don't know how you did it. 0:51:09.840 --> 0:51:11.960 I mean, I think maybe you've told us, you know, 0:51:12.000 --> 0:51:14.000 the ways that you look at a script and try 0:51:14.040 --> 0:51:17.560 to make it come across on screen. But it was 0:51:17.600 --> 0:51:19.960 such a feat, I think, to be able to do 0:51:20.000 --> 0:51:22.120 all of that. There's so much that happens in that episode, 0:51:22.120 --> 0:51:25.319 but everybody gets the moment. Everybody gets like a nice 0:51:25.320 --> 0:51:27.759 wrap up. It doesn't feel rushed, it doesn't feel like 0:51:27.800 --> 0:51:31.040 you're trying to get an eight billion different plot points. 0:51:31.440 --> 0:51:34.240 And it was because you know, our memories are terrible, 0:51:34.800 --> 0:51:37.120 but watching it, it was like, oh, this episode is 0:51:37.200 --> 0:51:39.680 so good. Yeah, it's great. 0:51:39.800 --> 0:51:40.560 I'd have to say. 0:51:40.719 --> 0:51:45.200 The one thing I did watch it too, and it's 0:51:45.280 --> 0:51:48.640 like the one thing that I noticed was like, you 0:51:48.680 --> 0:51:50.719 guys didn't really get your I didn't think you guys 0:51:50.719 --> 0:51:51.640 got a proper moment. 0:51:52.680 --> 0:51:56.080 Yeah it's there, it's. 0:51:55.960 --> 0:51:59.840 There, but it's not And I was like, oh, really, 0:52:00.040 --> 0:52:05.120 I don't. There's there's a kiss on the steps. Yes, right, 0:52:05.239 --> 0:52:06.120 that's pretty cute. 0:52:06.400 --> 0:52:08.759 Yeah right, there's only so much time you have, like 0:52:08.840 --> 0:52:10.680 forty two minutes, you know, so. 0:52:11.120 --> 0:52:13.040 I know, I know, but it was like it was 0:52:13.040 --> 0:52:14.759 funny because I did, I really did notice it. 0:52:14.800 --> 0:52:17.080 I was like, oh, yeah. 0:52:17.080 --> 0:52:19.120 No, I feel like we got our moment earlier in 0:52:19.160 --> 0:52:22.239 that season when we and I think you directed this too, 0:52:22.320 --> 0:52:26.479 if I'm not incorrect, having our favorite scene that where 0:52:26.640 --> 0:52:28.879 Arty and Tina say that they're going to marry each other. 0:52:29.280 --> 0:52:32.120 Oh it's the wedding. Yeah, and Arty and Tina sit 0:52:32.200 --> 0:52:33.600 in the choir room and say they're going to marry 0:52:33.600 --> 0:52:39.239 each other at thirty if Yeah, yeah, that's right. But 0:52:39.360 --> 0:52:41.960 that to me felt like Larti and Tina. 0:52:41.800 --> 0:52:49.360 Really yeah yeah yeah, And that was also that that 0:52:49.480 --> 0:52:52.600 felt so different to film as well. I think, Jenna, 0:52:52.880 --> 0:52:55.480 you can speak to this, but I know I just 0:52:55.560 --> 0:52:57.520 keep saying how good you are as the director. 0:52:57.280 --> 0:52:57.440 But. 0:52:59.440 --> 0:53:01.760 That that was set up for a really simple scene 0:53:02.880 --> 0:53:05.520 felt so different where like you really allowed us like 0:53:05.600 --> 0:53:07.879 I felt like an adult and that you know, we're 0:53:07.960 --> 0:53:10.360 playing high schoolers, and it felt like maybe the only 0:53:10.440 --> 0:53:13.759 time being on that show where I felt like I 0:53:13.840 --> 0:53:17.120 was having like a grown up conversation with another character. 0:53:18.120 --> 0:53:21.480 And I remember again like it was we shot out 0:53:21.480 --> 0:53:23.680 really quickly because just two of us, it's really simple, 0:53:24.960 --> 0:53:27.840 but you kept you would come in and like whisper 0:53:27.880 --> 0:53:29.840 one word to me or whisper one word to Jenna, 0:53:30.320 --> 0:53:32.960 and just kept it simple and it made it feel 0:53:33.000 --> 0:53:34.920 again like one of those moments I was really satisfying 0:53:34.960 --> 0:53:37.200 as an actor to just get to do it. And 0:53:37.239 --> 0:53:39.200 it was about I felt like it was about me 0:53:39.239 --> 0:53:41.560 and Jenna in real life, like our friendship that we 0:53:41.600 --> 0:53:43.680 had built over the years, and you know, and it 0:53:43.719 --> 0:53:46.799 felt like you were just like respecting all of that. 0:53:47.160 --> 0:53:48.680 And like Jenna and I talked about that scene all 0:53:48.680 --> 0:53:51.799 the time because it meant a lot to us. And 0:53:51.840 --> 0:53:53.520 that is sort of arting Tina's wrap up. 0:53:54.000 --> 0:53:54.239 Hmm. 0:53:54.360 --> 0:53:58.560 Yeah, yeah, I never thought about that. Uh that's really Uh. 0:53:59.480 --> 0:54:02.200 I want to go watch that again, it's a good scene. 0:54:02.360 --> 0:54:03.319 It's simple, it's. 0:54:04.920 --> 0:54:08.440 Very but it's very grounded and honest, the most grounded 0:54:08.480 --> 0:54:10.520 because Ardientina can kind of fly up the. 0:54:10.480 --> 0:54:12.239 Handles a little bit to marry Mike. 0:54:13.320 --> 0:54:13.919 Like we know. 0:54:16.040 --> 0:54:20.880 We were given a lot to do but therey but 0:54:20.880 --> 0:54:24.000 but yeah, it was like very grounded and very Jenna 0:54:24.040 --> 0:54:27.400 and Kevin ask if you will like it just felt 0:54:27.440 --> 0:54:31.200 really honest, right, Like Kevin said. 0:54:32.320 --> 0:54:35.319 That's what we want, isn't it right, And it's like, 0:54:35.480 --> 0:54:38.759 and that's the it's you know, it's it's it is 0:54:38.840 --> 0:54:41.560 fun because it you know when I when I listened 0:54:41.640 --> 0:54:45.240 to Ian talk about it and like and it's like, look, 0:54:45.280 --> 0:54:46.560 it's like the funny. 0:54:47.320 --> 0:54:51.440 I love the funny, and I love the Ian weird, right. 0:54:51.440 --> 0:54:54.239 And the and kind of you know how he talked 0:54:54.239 --> 0:54:58.839 about season one and season six is being like his favorites, right, 0:54:59.360 --> 0:55:01.520 But it's like I love it when it can go 0:55:01.680 --> 0:55:04.239 weird and then you can really land it can just 0:55:04.320 --> 0:55:07.480 be honest, yeah, right, And because there is some we 0:55:07.560 --> 0:55:10.359 could we're all weird. Yeah right, It's like we're all 0:55:10.360 --> 0:55:13.000 weird in our own way, right, And I think. 0:55:13.000 --> 0:55:15.319 So it's the beauty of the show. We've said it 0:55:15.480 --> 0:55:18.080 like something crazy will be happening in one scene, then 0:55:18.160 --> 0:55:20.719 the very next scene you're having a really serious talk 0:55:20.760 --> 0:55:25.000 about race, and it's grounded and beautiful and moving almost 0:55:25.000 --> 0:55:27.399 in the same you know, forty two minute episode and it. 0:55:27.360 --> 0:55:28.840 All works the journey. 0:55:29.000 --> 0:55:31.440 Yeah, yeah, And like that was the tightrope that the 0:55:31.440 --> 0:55:35.360 show constantly walked, and I think worked almost every single 0:55:35.360 --> 0:55:37.040 time most of the time. 0:55:38.120 --> 0:55:39.360 Well, and it's. 0:55:41.440 --> 0:55:44.640 Look, it's like whether it whether it worked all the 0:55:44.680 --> 0:55:46.480 time or not, it always tried. 0:55:46.840 --> 0:55:48.000 Yeah, exactly. 0:55:48.520 --> 0:55:51.400 Yeah, And it's like, I mean, it's funny because for me, 0:55:51.719 --> 0:55:54.160 one of the biggest I feel I felt like my 0:55:54.360 --> 0:55:57.719 big moment with you guys, there were two moments as 0:55:57.760 --> 0:56:01.160 a cast when I felt like, you really like, what 0:56:01.239 --> 0:56:05.719 are we doing? And the one was original songs, right, 0:56:07.040 --> 0:56:10.719 and it was like, sorry, but I told you guys 0:56:10.760 --> 0:56:13.360 all together and I was like, listen, we're gonna shoot 0:56:13.400 --> 0:56:19.000 this until you guys really decide. You have to love 0:56:19.080 --> 0:56:21.640 these songs and you have to lean in and sing 0:56:21.680 --> 0:56:24.280 them like you think they're the greatest things ever. 0:56:24.480 --> 0:56:26.520 See when we tell you people who have been listening 0:56:26.600 --> 0:56:30.120 that we were really concerned about Loser like me, we 0:56:30.120 --> 0:56:32.359 were really concerned everybody knew. 0:56:33.200 --> 0:56:35.960 Yeah, you could see it on our fas. 0:56:36.360 --> 0:56:38.279 But by the way, it was like when you cut 0:56:38.320 --> 0:56:40.799 it all together and it aired right. 0:56:41.080 --> 0:56:43.960 So it was one on iTunes yea how it worked, 0:56:44.000 --> 0:56:44.200 you know? 0:56:44.680 --> 0:56:46.719 Yeah, and it was, but it was and it was 0:56:46.760 --> 0:56:48.960 that thing, and I had this feeling from the get 0:56:49.000 --> 0:56:51.439 it was like your faces. 0:56:50.880 --> 0:56:54.560 Will sell it, yeah right, yeah yeah, and. 0:56:54.480 --> 0:56:56.960 It truly it's like when you all of a sudden, 0:56:56.960 --> 0:56:59.960 it's like you forget you're not listening to the music anymore. 0:57:00.160 --> 0:57:03.040 You're you're feeling a thing that you guys are doing. 0:57:03.400 --> 0:57:04.520 Yeah. 0:57:04.760 --> 0:57:07.520 It was that and the and when we did the 0:57:07.920 --> 0:57:11.279 it was on my Way, you know with the Kroski, 0:57:12.440 --> 0:57:15.799 you know when when it was Team Suicide and they're 0:57:15.840 --> 0:57:18.560 getting married and Quinn and it was like there was 0:57:18.600 --> 0:57:22.760 a moment where everyone was like what I don't understand 0:57:23.440 --> 0:57:24.560 And I just remember being. 0:57:24.440 --> 0:57:27.880 Like, you guys, just go with me for a minute. Yeah, 0:57:28.280 --> 0:57:32.280 just go with because we can do yeah, you know. 0:57:33.280 --> 0:57:35.320 Yeah, And sometimes that's all you need to hear is 0:57:35.400 --> 0:57:38.720 like I got you, I got I'm in this with you. 0:57:38.960 --> 0:57:41.760 We're a team. We're gonna make this work. But you 0:57:41.840 --> 0:57:44.360 got to do your part and I'll do mine, you know. 0:57:45.120 --> 0:57:47.480 That's all we kind of needed. Sometimes was like, oh, 0:57:47.560 --> 0:57:50.960 all right, Brad's asking us to do something right now 0:57:51.240 --> 0:57:53.600 that we literally are not doing. 0:57:55.200 --> 0:57:58.240 We're not doing anything we were hired to do. Let's 0:57:58.320 --> 0:58:09.560 remember why we're here. Do you have any favorite scenes 0:58:09.640 --> 0:58:12.120 or numbers that you got to either direct or edit? 0:58:13.520 --> 0:58:15.960 I mean, honestly, you guys. 0:58:16.200 --> 0:58:21.120 Truthfully, it was like I went into every scene like 0:58:21.320 --> 0:58:23.520 I want to fall in love with this scene. 0:58:24.280 --> 0:58:27.560 You know, yeah, And it's like. 0:58:30.360 --> 0:58:32.600 There were you know, there were I'll tell you one 0:58:32.600 --> 0:58:35.080 of my and I've given you a lot of them already. 0:58:35.120 --> 0:58:37.920 But it's like, so when they were going to do 0:58:37.960 --> 0:58:44.280 the first kiss between Blaine and Kirk, okay, we went 0:58:44.320 --> 0:58:49.360 in to rehearse, and I said to Darren, I was like, 0:58:49.480 --> 0:58:53.920 you know, Darren, like I remember my first kisses very well, 0:58:54.800 --> 0:58:58.120 and I remember always having a plan as to how 0:58:58.160 --> 0:58:59.560 I was going to do it or where I was 0:58:59.600 --> 0:59:03.600 going to stay, and and it just they never worked out. 0:59:04.840 --> 0:59:06.680 So when you come over to sit down, I think 0:59:06.680 --> 0:59:08.919 you should scoot your chair all the way over next 0:59:08.920 --> 0:59:10.760 to him and sit And he was like, oh, no, 0:59:10.800 --> 0:59:11.600 I would never do that. 0:59:11.840 --> 0:59:15.600 I want to sit here. And so but when he 0:59:15.640 --> 0:59:16.560 wanted to see was they were. 0:59:16.600 --> 0:59:22.640 They were literally like six feet apart, right, And I 0:59:22.720 --> 0:59:26.200 was like, okay, great, okay, got it. I turned around 0:59:26.320 --> 0:59:28.800 and I just said to I said to Chris Bafa, 0:59:29.120 --> 0:59:34.480 light the whole room, get three cameras. This is going 0:59:34.560 --> 0:59:39.360 to be great because I knew he couldn't possibly kiss 0:59:39.440 --> 0:59:42.320 him from there. Yeah, right, And I just I didn't 0:59:42.320 --> 0:59:44.040 say any another word. I was like, you know what, 0:59:44.080 --> 0:59:46.520 we're done. We're not going to rehearse anymore. Let's just 0:59:46.600 --> 0:59:50.040 go away. Turn the cameras on, and it's like when 0:59:50.080 --> 0:59:53.320 he's sitting there, you can see this moment's where he 0:59:53.400 --> 0:59:57.360 realizes he can't possibly get there right and see he 0:59:57.440 --> 1:00:00.000 has to get up and sort of awkwardly move around 1:00:00.120 --> 1:00:01.600 on the table and like leave. 1:00:01.680 --> 1:00:03.560 And it was like it felt so. 1:00:03.600 --> 1:00:05.200 Honest, I love it. 1:00:05.400 --> 1:00:08.000 I don't know, it was just like we're done. 1:00:08.200 --> 1:00:09.960 Yeah, yeah, gotcha. 1:00:10.240 --> 1:00:11.760 Oh that's it, that's perfect. 1:00:13.280 --> 1:00:15.800 Well, we literally I could we we have a thousand 1:00:15.880 --> 1:00:18.600 questions for you because we haven't seen you in years. Also, 1:00:20.280 --> 1:00:22.920 but we obviously don't want to keep you. We know 1:00:22.960 --> 1:00:26.120 you're so busy. We have to ask you if you 1:00:26.200 --> 1:00:28.920 listen to the podcast, you know, and I'm sure you've 1:00:28.920 --> 1:00:31.800 thought about it, but what is the feeling that Glee 1:00:32.080 --> 1:00:32.840 leaves you with. 1:00:35.280 --> 1:00:44.360 So many feelings? But honestly, it's like pride. You know. 1:00:44.840 --> 1:00:50.840 It's like I just I'll always look back and I 1:00:50.880 --> 1:00:53.680 feel so proud that I got. 1:00:53.440 --> 1:00:59.800 To spend that time with you, right, to spend that time. 1:01:00.600 --> 1:01:04.880 You know, it was like it truly, you know, it 1:01:05.000 --> 1:01:11.400 defined my life. You know, I learned so much. And 1:01:11.440 --> 1:01:16.240 it's like there were horrible things and there were great things, yep, 1:01:17.000 --> 1:01:23.439 but but we were all in it together for better 1:01:23.520 --> 1:01:27.840 or worse, you know. And when I look back, and 1:01:28.080 --> 1:01:29.360 you know, it's like for all. 1:01:29.320 --> 1:01:32.800 For whatever whatever you thought or whatever the it's like 1:01:32.840 --> 1:01:37.120 when you look back at what we did, I'm just 1:01:37.240 --> 1:01:37.960 so proud of it. 1:01:38.920 --> 1:01:41.200 Yeah you should be, I mean we all are. 1:01:41.680 --> 1:01:45.400 But yeah, yeah, do you have you guys answered that question? 1:01:46.280 --> 1:01:53.280 We're going to we have an episode coming where we 1:01:53.400 --> 1:01:54.640 have to answer this good. 1:01:55.040 --> 1:01:55.640 Okay, good. 1:01:55.920 --> 1:02:00.720 I might lift a lot of your answer, Brad. 1:02:00.880 --> 1:02:04.360 Thank you so much for coming on. It truly would 1:02:04.360 --> 1:02:07.480 not have been the same to do this podcast without you. 1:02:07.480 --> 1:02:10.840 You are such a massive part of the heart of 1:02:10.880 --> 1:02:14.680 the show and for us and just really just shaped 1:02:15.400 --> 1:02:18.360 the experience on it. You know, behind the scenes and 1:02:18.400 --> 1:02:20.840 then also the story for everybody else. So we're just 1:02:20.880 --> 1:02:24.000 so grateful that you were on the journey with us. 1:02:24.120 --> 1:02:26.400 Yes, thank you so so much for having me, guys, 1:02:26.560 --> 1:02:27.880 I really it meant the world to me. 1:02:28.360 --> 1:02:28.880 Thank you. 1:02:29.040 --> 1:02:29.960 It's great to see you. 1:02:29.960 --> 1:02:32.040 But it was so nice to see you. I'm so 1:02:32.160 --> 1:02:35.720 glad everyone now can like feel you're sweet thinking here. 1:02:35.960 --> 1:02:38.360 This is a sweet man who is very talented and 1:02:38.400 --> 1:02:40.920 put up with a lot from us for a long time, 1:02:41.600 --> 1:02:43.640 you guys, and always made us look good. 1:02:44.600 --> 1:02:45.480 Thank you so much. 1:02:45.680 --> 1:02:51.040 Thanks Brad, Thank you, Brad, Brad Beaker. I can't believe 1:02:51.200 --> 1:02:54.439 that we couldn't talk to him for another hour, Kevin, 1:02:54.440 --> 1:02:55.480 because we probably could. 1:02:55.280 --> 1:02:59.960 Have these director talks, you know, Brad Beaker. 1:02:59.680 --> 1:02:59.840 And. 1:03:01.400 --> 1:03:05.600 They see they do. They're the leaders. They run the ship. 1:03:06.080 --> 1:03:09.800 They run the ship well, I mean excellent excellence. We 1:03:09.840 --> 1:03:12.960 are working with the top of the line, top on. 1:03:13.000 --> 1:03:17.600 The line, and Baker's fingerprints are all over Glee, like 1:03:17.680 --> 1:03:21.400 Glee would not be the same without him, and he 1:03:22.200 --> 1:03:24.520 I'm so glad. I'm just so glad he got to 1:03:24.560 --> 1:03:27.360 come on here or we got him. All of you 1:03:27.400 --> 1:03:32.480 could listen, because he's brilliant, he's so kind and so nice. Yeah, yeah, 1:03:32.960 --> 1:03:35.240 he really is. Thank you Baker for spending so much 1:03:35.280 --> 1:03:39.520 time with us. Thank everyone for listening. And you know 1:03:39.600 --> 1:03:41.560 that was one of the titans of Glee right there, 1:03:41.800 --> 1:03:44.960 and that's what you really missed. Hey, thanks for listening, 1:03:45.280 --> 1:03:47.800 and follow us on Instagram at and that's what you 1:03:47.880 --> 1:03:50.080 really miss pod. 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