Speaker 1: I distinctly remember it being a Saturday night in November
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty two, and I was around some friends
Speaker 1: and we were having some wine and stuff, and I
Speaker 1: look at Twitter. Elon tweets something like that out and
Speaker 1: I knew right away what was actually happening.
Speaker 2: This is Katie Harbeth. For a decade, she worked at Facebook.
Speaker 2: Her job there was public Policy director for Global Elections,
Speaker 2: which means she understands the dilemma that Twitter, YouTube, every
Speaker 2: other social media site faced on January sixth. It also
Speaker 2: means she was at Facebook when they banned Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: Facebook had removed Trump's post before, like when he claimed
Speaker 2: that COVID was quote less lethal than the flu, but
Speaker 2: January sixth was different. That's because after losing the election,
Speaker 2: he kept saying it had been stolen, that he was
Speaker 2: the rifle winner, and then he encouraged his followers in
Speaker 2: vague terms, to get in the way of certifying the
Speaker 2: election by showing up at the capitol. Katie remembers it
Speaker 2: was a tough decision. Suddenly they were having these precedented
Speaker 2: conversations about truth, democracy and text role in all of that.
Speaker 2: Elon Musk had a different approach. He tweeted a poll
Speaker 2: quote reinstate former President Trump and a Latin phrase Vox
Speaker 2: Popular Vox day, the voice of the people is the
Speaker 2: voice of the gods. Yes, fifteen million people voted yes
Speaker 2: is one, and then.
Speaker 1: The Trump account was back by the next Sunday afternoon.
Speaker 2: Facebook, on the other hand, was so anxious about what
Speaker 2: to do with Trump they took their decision to an
Speaker 2: oversight board. Elon, he just tweeted it.
Speaker 3: For me.
Speaker 1: It was just like it was another indication of just, frankly,
Speaker 1: how reckless he is around this and the naivete that
Speaker 1: I felt like he had around trust and safety and
Speaker 1: content moderation and what it means to actually have a
Speaker 1: healthy town square.
Speaker 2: Elon kept going. He didn't just bring back Trump's Twitter.
Speaker 2: He brought back a live streamer who goes by Baked Alaska,
Speaker 2: who'd been banned for anti semitism, Kanye West also anti semitism,
Speaker 2: Nick Fuentes, who, among a litany of other things, was
Speaker 2: being anti Semitic.
Speaker 1: I think Elon has this ethos like I can just
Speaker 1: do better, Like this isn't that hard, Like you know,
Speaker 1: I can figure this out.
Speaker 2: When he bought Twitter, when he announced he was going
Speaker 2: to take Twitter and make it a free speech platform.
Speaker 2: What did you think when you when you.
Speaker 4: Heard that.
Speaker 1: That he doesn't know what the heck he's getting into
Speaker 1: and what that actually means.
Speaker 2: I'm Max Chafkin. This is Citizen Elon. On episode one,
Speaker 2: we looked at what radicalized Elon Musk and led him
Speaker 2: to buy Twitter today, why that matters, and how it's
Speaker 2: affecting the election. The early days of Twitter, which Elon
Speaker 2: later renamed x, were crazy. He tried to back out
Speaker 2: of the purchase, then a judge forced her to buy it.
Speaker 2: Then he took over. He immediately fired a huge chunk
Speaker 2: of the staff, which led to chaos and lawsuits. He
Speaker 2: was leaking documents about his own company. He named his
Speaker 2: own leak the Twitter Files.
Speaker 3: How and what he did to purchase Twitter is pretty
Speaker 3: astounding here.
Speaker 2: Joan Donovan is a journalism professor at BU. We talked
Speaker 2: to her last episode.
Speaker 3: He was able to bring about billions of dollars in
Speaker 3: loans that are now troubling major banks in order to
Speaker 3: overpay for something that he would never be able to
Speaker 3: recoup his losses on That's not smart for us. Twitter
Speaker 3: really represented the beating heart of centrist media. And the
Speaker 3: mainstream media in general.
Speaker 2: In other words, this was not business as usual, and
Speaker 2: he kept making decisions that's the company's value plummeting. He
Speaker 2: started charging for the blue check which used to mean
Speaker 2: you were verified like you are who you say you are.
Speaker 2: The only people who had them were journalists, politicians and celebrities.
Speaker 2: Now you can just buy one, which whatever, right it
Speaker 2: seemed to lead us in the first place. But the
Speaker 2: difference between say, Joe Biden and someone who says he's
Speaker 2: Joe Biden, it really does matter.
Speaker 3: And so you saw this massive exodus of high value
Speaker 3: users along with also the advertisers. Right at the beginning
Speaker 3: of his purchase, his attitude was, you know, goodbye. And
Speaker 3: then of course he brought back in all of the
Speaker 3: folks that had been removed previously.
Speaker 2: Many of whom paid to be verified, paid for check marks. Suddenly,
Speaker 2: trending accounts had names like end Wokeness, hat Turn, and
Speaker 2: also accounts belong to far right influencers like Mike Cernovich
Speaker 2: and Glenn Greenwald and Elon. He was right there with them, liking, retweeting,
Speaker 2: commenting on those same accounts, and anyway, the most important
Speaker 2: influencer on the right, Donald Trump he wanted nothing to
Speaker 2: do with Elon Musk, maybe because he'd built his own
Speaker 2: free speech platform and wanted his followers to use that
Speaker 2: one instead.
Speaker 5: And go out by the way while I'm here and
Speaker 5: sign up now for truth Social It's hot is a pistol,
Speaker 5: and you stop left wing censorship and restore free speech
Speaker 5: in America.
Speaker 2: This is from a rally in twenty twenty two, basically
Speaker 2: Trump saying he gets to wear the free speech crown.
Speaker 2: He's the guy bringing a public square back to the web.
Speaker 5: I tell you what, Elon, Elon is not going to
Speaker 5: buy Twitter.
Speaker 6: Nah.
Speaker 5: He's a bullshit artist.
Speaker 7: He's got himself a mess, but he's not gonna be
Speaker 7: buying it.
Speaker 6: He'm not going to be buying it.
Speaker 5: Sign up for truth. We love the Truth.
Speaker 2: For almost a year after Elon lennonim back on Twitter,
Speaker 2: Trump's account was silent, but then August twenty fifth, twenty
Speaker 2: twenty three, Trump makes his comeback. It's a photo of
Speaker 2: his mugshot. Elon knows Trump tweeting again is very good
Speaker 2: for business. He retweets it. Quote next level.
Speaker 4: You recently met with Donald Trump in Florida. What did
Speaker 4: you guys talk about?
Speaker 2: I was at a I was not done.
Speaker 8: I was at a breakfast at a friend's place and
Speaker 8: Donald Trump came by.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 2: Eight months later, Elon interviewed by Don Lemon.
Speaker 9: So you didn't go there to meet him?
Speaker 8: No, I went to a friend of mine's house and said,
Speaker 8: Donald Trump's coming by for breakfast?
Speaker 6: Is that.
Speaker 5: Just so you know?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 2: Okay? Fine? By the way, at this point, Trump was
Speaker 2: way behind Biden in the money race. She Elon had
Speaker 2: plenty of Now Trump needed Elon too. Here's the thing.
Speaker 2: Elon may be rich, but he's also cheap. And nobody
Speaker 2: in Washington was expecting him to give money to anyone really.
Speaker 4: And that's what really matters to Republicans in Washington.
Speaker 2: Josh Green, my colleague at Bloomberg BusinessWeek, he covers politics.
Speaker 4: If you're a big capitalist, are you willing to stroke
Speaker 4: a big check to Republicans? And Elon never was. Elon
Speaker 4: Musk talks a big game, but he's never going to
Speaker 4: stroke a check, and therefore nobody really cared about him.
Speaker 10: Good afternoon.
Speaker 2: Then everything changed.
Speaker 10: Last night I spoke with Donald Trump. I'm so surely
Speaker 10: grateful that he's doing well and recovering an assassination attempt
Speaker 10: is contrary to everything we stand for as a nation. Everything.
Speaker 2: Elon experienced the attempt on Donald Trump's life pretty much
Speaker 2: like the rest of us. Online, he saw the photos
Speaker 2: on social media Trump at the rally, Trump bleeding, or
Speaker 2: Trump's fist in the air shouting fight, fight fight. Thirty
Speaker 2: minutes later, Elon tweets quote, I fully endorse President Trump
Speaker 2: and hope for his rapid recovery. Soon after, Elon announces
Speaker 2: he's creating his own super pack for Trump, meaning a great,
Speaker 2: big check just like that. Elon's a player in Washington, DC.
Speaker 9: And you know Elon.
Speaker 7: I love Elon MUNKK do we love him?
Speaker 5: I love Elon.
Speaker 7: Endorsed me at the end of the day, and I
Speaker 7: read I didn't even know this, he didn't even tell
Speaker 7: me about it. But he gives me forty five million
Speaker 7: dollars a month.
Speaker 5: A month, not forty five million. Gives me forty five
Speaker 5: million a month.
Speaker 7: And I talked to him just a little while ago
Speaker 7: to say I was coming here, how you doing? And
Speaker 7: he didn't even mention it. He didn't mention. I mean,
Speaker 7: other guys, they give you two dollars and you got
Speaker 7: to take them to lunch. You gotta wind up Diamond.
Speaker 2: That's from a Trump rally in July. And if you
Speaker 2: think this feels like a departure from Nah, he's artist
Speaker 2: will buckle up to start Elon's tweets. They've gone from
Speaker 2: I fully endorse Trump to saying that there won't be
Speaker 2: in America if Trump loses, to saying that humanity will
Speaker 2: never reach the stars without having a president Donald Trump
Speaker 2: a second time. Then there was Elon's two hour live
Speaker 2: interview of Trump on.
Speaker 7: X you have definitely got a fertile mind.
Speaker 9: We can talk about.
Speaker 7: Tuddles and rockets, so many things.
Speaker 2: Then the ads paid for by Elon's pack.
Speaker 4: Trump is the American badass, will stop this nonsense.
Speaker 2: When Trump returned to Butler, Pennsylvania, where the summer's assassination
Speaker 2: attempt happened, Elon went there too. He jumped up and
Speaker 2: down like a kid in a bouncy castle and then
Speaker 2: delivered this kind of halting speech with sentences like bye bye.
Speaker 5: Bute and blood coming down the place.
Speaker 2: Two days later, he offered actual payouts to anyone willing
Speaker 2: to refer potential voters in swing states. At first, he
Speaker 2: said he'd pay forty seven dollars because Trump would be
Speaker 2: the forty seven president. Then he up to two one
Speaker 2: hundred dollars. There was no good reason for that. It's
Speaker 2: just a bigger number. And then.
Speaker 8: I have a surprise for you, which is that we
Speaker 8: are going to be awarding a million dollars to randomly
Speaker 8: to people who have signed signed the petition.
Speaker 4: Every day.
Speaker 8: From now until the election.
Speaker 2: What Elon's doing here, it's probably illegal. The government bans
Speaker 2: vote buying, including by way of lottery, But for Elon,
Speaker 2: that's sort of the point.
Speaker 8: You know. One of the challenges we're having is like, well,
Speaker 8: how do we get people to know about this petition?
Speaker 8: Because the legacy media is one to report on it,
Speaker 8: you know, not everyone's on X So So I figure,
Speaker 8: how do we get people to know about it? Well,
Speaker 8: this news, I think is going to really fly.
Speaker 2: It's easy to see this as a gimmick or a
Speaker 2: marketing stunt, but by now the money that Elon is
Speaker 2: throwing around is starting to add up. Actually in every way,
Speaker 2: these two guys kind of hated each other before are
Speaker 2: now on the same team.
Speaker 4: I mean, to me, the reason that I always thought
Speaker 4: that Elon and Trump would never get together, and to
Speaker 4: be clear, I was very wrong about this was that
Speaker 4: they're both these kind of alpha male narcissists who always
Speaker 4: want all the attention to be about them.
Speaker 2: Josh Green again, it just didn't seem like it could happen,
Speaker 2: and yet it has.
Speaker 4: I think the two of them kind of vibe off
Speaker 4: each other in the sense that they both feel persecuted
Speaker 4: by mainstream media and the popular culture. They're mad, They're
Speaker 4: not going to take it anymore. They're going to gleefully
Speaker 4: attack their enemies.
Speaker 2: Suddenly, Elon, who just to remind you, world's riches man
Speaker 2: two hundred million Twitter followers, becomes one of the most
Speaker 2: important political actors, a guy who actually might swing an election.
Speaker 9: You have donors that just want to give money, they
Speaker 9: care about a cause. They will cut the check.
Speaker 2: Matt Askowski is a political marketer. He worked on the
Speaker 2: last two Trump campaigns.
Speaker 9: They will give it to a group or a cause
Speaker 9: they support, and what happens to the money kind of
Speaker 9: becomes irrelevant to them because they supported the cause. I
Speaker 9: would say Elon looks to be on the opposite side
Speaker 9: of the spectrum where he's giving means, but he's also
Speaker 9: activist where he's actually involved with how the money is
Speaker 9: spent and it's being deployed.
Speaker 2: What Matt's good at is using data, especially to reach
Speaker 2: people on the Internet. Elon is, of course on Matt's radar.
Speaker 2: His world runs on campaign contributions, specifically the big checks.
Speaker 2: As of the middle of October, Elon's given one hundred
Speaker 2: and thirty two million dollar, most of it to his
Speaker 2: America Pack. He's undeniably one of the biggest donors.
Speaker 9: It seems like America Pack is largely focused on the
Speaker 9: political operation canvassing, door knocking, phone calls, phone baking, those
Speaker 9: types of things, GOOTV and turnout GOOTV.
Speaker 2: That's get out the vote.
Speaker 9: Usually the pack model is use soft dollars to raise
Speaker 9: a bunch of big checks to be able to buy media.
Speaker 9: It's we're gonna buy TV, We're gonna buy digitalized and
Speaker 9: buy mail and things like that.
Speaker 8: But this is.
Speaker 9: Almost like a quasi campaign.
Speaker 2: Outside of the campaign, Elon micromanages. He's proud of it.
Speaker 2: So that's how he's running his pack. At the start,
Speaker 2: he hired a few hundred canvassers, folks who go door
Speaker 2: to door trying to convince regular people to vote for
Speaker 2: their candidate. Then something happened that annoyed Elon, so he
Speaker 2: fired a bunch of them. Then he brought on an
Speaker 2: entirely new team and fired a bunch of them too.
Speaker 2: Still it seems to be working. Matt says. Most canvassing
Speaker 2: operations take years to assemble, built one in just a
Speaker 2: few months. His specific target younger men in swing states.
Speaker 2: Now he's got an office set up in Pennsylvania, the
Speaker 2: swing state he said he's specifically focusing his attention on.
Speaker 2: He's even sort of stumping, traveling from town to town
Speaker 2: giving talks to voters. By the way, whatever his politics
Speaker 2: were before, Elon's politics right now largely mirror Trumps across
Speaker 2: the board, immigration, gender, voter rights, the environment. In those
Speaker 2: ways and so many others, he's fallen in line. Let's
Speaker 2: step back for a second and answer the question at
Speaker 2: the heart of this Why Why is Elon, who has
Speaker 2: six companies and at least twelve kids, spending all of
Speaker 2: this time and money on Trump? What does he stand? Again?
Speaker 2: Elon's a defense contractor SpaceX his rocket company. They already
Speaker 2: have huge contracts with the US government. Elon wants more. Specifically,
Speaker 2: he's gunning for NASA to spend tens of billions of
Speaker 2: dollars on his Mars colony.
Speaker 7: Elon get those rocket ships going because we want to
Speaker 7: reach Mars before the end of my term. We want
Speaker 7: to do it, and we want to have also great
Speaker 7: military protection in space because that's where it's going to
Speaker 7: be at.
Speaker 2: Right now, the government's likely to spread the workout across
Speaker 2: a bunch of different defense contractors Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman.
Speaker 2: But Trump could decide to throw a bunch of business
Speaker 2: to SpaceX instead. Also, SpaceX has this side business it's
Speaker 2: called Starlink. Elon's long wanted the government to pay Starlink
Speaker 2: to provide internet to rural areas, to get subsidies that
Speaker 2: the government already has, but to direct them to him.
Speaker 2: Starlink has struck out so far, but under another Trump presidency,
Speaker 2: maybe we'ld have more of a chance. Second, Tesla's trying
Speaker 2: to develop these autonomous cars driverless robotaxis. Trump could help
Speaker 2: get those approved and potentially block Tesla's Chinese competitors from
Speaker 2: offering their robotaxis in the US.
Speaker 6: I will stop Chinese and other countries produced audible, bial
Speaker 6: and autonomous vehicles. Do you like autonomous? Does anybody like
Speaker 6: an autonomous vehicle.
Speaker 2: Third, Trump could give Elon a job, and not just
Speaker 2: any job.
Speaker 8: I mean, I think it would be great to just
Speaker 8: have a government efficiency commission that ensures that the taxpayer money,
Speaker 8: the taxpayers are harder money, is spent in a good way.
Speaker 8: And I'd be happy to help out on such a commission.
Speaker 4: I'd love it.
Speaker 9: Well, you you're the greatest cutter. I mean, I look
Speaker 9: at what you do.
Speaker 2: You walk in during the Twitter spaces interview, and I'm
Speaker 2: the stump. Trump said Elon will be in charge of
Speaker 2: streamlining the government, which, among other things, means he'll be
Speaker 2: the one to decide which government programs get cut in
Speaker 2: which stay. I don't think Elon wants another job, but
Speaker 2: there are lots of federal agencies that are investigating him
Speaker 2: right now, and the simplest way to resist some of
Speaker 2: these investigations would probably just be to defund those agencies.
Speaker 2: In short, it'd be the most powerful guy in the
Speaker 2: world in the pocket of the richest guy in the world.
Speaker 2: I can't express enough what a big deal that would be.
Speaker 1: Fuck, dude, if you lose.
Speaker 5: It does seem that way. You can't just be like like, yeah,
Speaker 5: I'm like, how long do you think my prison sentence
Speaker 5: is going to be well, I see my children.
Speaker 8: I don't know, because it's not like you can say, well, yeah,
Speaker 8: I maxed out to him.
Speaker 2: But you know, I get This is from an interview
Speaker 2: Elon did with Tucker Carlson in October. It made me
Speaker 2: think maybe Elon's got no choice now that he's back Trump.
Speaker 2: Maybe he's afraid that if Kamala Harris wins, she would
Speaker 2: have him punished. At the same time, skeptical for starters,
Speaker 2: nobody's talking about retribution or about Elon's rifle place in jail.
Speaker 2: I think maybe he's trying to distract folks from what
Speaker 2: Trump's actually saying and raise himself up as a Maga martyr.
Speaker 2: But no matter what, if Trump loses the election, so
Speaker 2: does Elon. We've been talking a lot about traditional politics, money, speeches,
Speaker 2: canvassing ads, But there's another way Elon's helped Trump that
Speaker 2: I'd argue is a lot more important. I keep thinking
Speaker 2: about something Joan said about the aftermath of Elon buying Twitter,
Speaker 2: a bunch of users leaving the platform, advertisers cutting ties.
Speaker 3: His attitude was, you know, goodbye, and then of course
Speaker 3: he brought back in all of the folks that had
Speaker 3: been removed previously.
Speaker 2: The thing is, just because Elon's era of Twitter is
Speaker 2: less successful in business to doesn't mean it's not still
Speaker 2: powerful or dangerous.
Speaker 3: You know, we're not going to code it as a
Speaker 3: campaign contribution to Trump, but it certainly was. He understood,
Speaker 3: perhaps more than most, that communication tools are weapons of war,
Speaker 3: and he has now the largest psychological weapon that the
Speaker 3: world may have ever known. You can really change how
Speaker 3: an entire society sees itself.
Speaker 2: Time and again, Twitter has proven to be a massively
Speaker 2: effective tool of communication and organization. Just because advertisers don't
Speaker 2: want any part of it, or because there are fewer
Speaker 2: people tweeting, doesn't mean it's not still happening. It doesn't
Speaker 2: mean it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: In my world. I have to do what I call
Speaker 3: doom scaping. I have to think about every possible outcome
Speaker 3: there is, including Musk pulling a Trump. This is the
Speaker 3: type of guy who if he starts to feel as
Speaker 3: if something has gone wrong. Imagine if he believes the
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four election is rigged, he could start a
Speaker 3: civil war. And you know, we're loading up the flame throwers.
Speaker 3: We're going mad Max style to the Capitol.
Speaker 2: Since leaving Facebook, Katie Harbeth told me she's been a
Speaker 2: consultant basically advising tech companies on how to avoid accidentally
Speaker 2: promoting disinformation or political violence.
Speaker 1: One of the scenarios that we've been thinking through is like,
Speaker 1: you know what if somebody has this video part AI
Speaker 1: generated of something nefarious is happening at a polling place,
Speaker 1: whether it's around the counting of votes or something like that.
Speaker 2: One example, at the last presidential debate, Trump made a
Speaker 2: debunked claim about Haitians eating people's pets, and just before
Speaker 2: the debate, Elon had tweeted out the same thing to
Speaker 2: his two hundred million followers.
Speaker 1: We saw the Haitian immigrants eating dogs in Ohio. It
Speaker 1: doesn't take very long for that to get amplified by others.
Speaker 1: The thing I am most worried about, and I think
Speaker 1: is most important, is us protecting trust in the actual
Speaker 1: process of conducting elections and people trusting that their vote
Speaker 1: counted and that those votes were counted fairly, even if
Speaker 1: they disagree with the outcome.
Speaker 2: This isn't some theoretical issue. It's a thing that's already happened,
Speaker 2: that is happening now in some of the most closely
Speaker 2: contested precincts in America. Neil mckijah chairs the Board of
Speaker 2: Elections in Montgomery County in Pennsylvania. It's not far from Philadelphia,
Speaker 2: Neil says, the most important message he wants out there
Speaker 2: the thing he wishes more people understood and believed.
Speaker 11: People don't realize how safe, how secure our elections actually are, but.
Speaker 2: The amount of miss and disinformation it's hard to keep
Speaker 2: up with. Back in twenty twenty one, right after the
Speaker 2: attacks on the capital, the local Democratic Party committee received
Speaker 2: a letter from somebody complaining the election had been stolen.
Speaker 2: The letter made it clear something bad was going to happen.
Speaker 2: Then two weeks later, three shots were fired through a
Speaker 2: window at the party's office just across the street from
Speaker 2: where Neil works today.
Speaker 11: Thankfully no one was in the office when the shots
Speaker 11: were fired into it, but it showed us that disinformation
Speaker 11: can lead to violence. You may have clear moments like that,
Speaker 11: you know, essentially a redocs of January sixth, where people
Speaker 11: tried to disrupt the process, and that could be at
Speaker 11: the polling places, it could be at the transition of power.
Speaker 11: I think.
Speaker 2: Neil seemed nervous throughout our call. That popping sound in
Speaker 2: the background it was him clicking his pen over and over,
Speaker 2: faster and faster.
Speaker 11: I think people who perpetuated the lies certainly bear responsibility
Speaker 11: if they should have known better, and I think certainly
Speaker 11: Elon Musk should know better.
Speaker 2: As you try to do your job, what are you
Speaker 2: most worried about?
Speaker 11: You're so yeah, you're asking these great question. So I'm
Speaker 11: just kidding.
Speaker 2: Tell me why I made you Why you laughed there.
Speaker 11: Because I'm like, you're just like, if I thought about
Speaker 11: what I'm worried about all day, I would not be able.
Speaker 9: To do this job.
Speaker 2: Neil's one of the most polished people I spoke with
Speaker 2: for this show, which makes sense. His job is to
Speaker 2: instill calm, to remind folks that voting is safe. What
Speaker 2: that also means is he's got the most to lose.
Speaker 2: It's easy in the heat of a campaign to miss
Speaker 2: the forest for the trees. But of course, none of
Speaker 2: this ends on November fifth. If anything, November fifth is
Speaker 2: when it begins. Elon and Trump are ready to either
Speaker 2: overhaul the US government or to say the election was stolen,
Speaker 2: that America as we know it is dead, and Elon
Speaker 2: pulling back further and further on content moderation. It's his
Speaker 2: call to arms. He's gathering the troops for what we
Speaker 2: won't know until November fifth. That's next time. Citizen Elon
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Speaker 2: Blake Maples handles engineering and William Elstrom fact checking. Brendan
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