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Speaker 1: And welcome to Thursdays and that they should a big

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Speaker 1: Blue kick Off live here on Giants dot Com. He's

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Speaker 1: pauled Tina, I'm Lance Meadow with you in the next

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Speaker 1: sixty minutes, says, we'll break down everything happening with respect

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Speaker 1: to the New York Giants offseason. We're also going to

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Speaker 1: continue our preview of the two thousand nineteen NFL Draft.

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Speaker 1: Today's focus is going to be one you're gonna want

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Speaker 1: to pay very close attention to because this school tends

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Speaker 1: to produce a lot of NFL talent, and that is

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Speaker 1: the Alabama tie. Yeah, I'm just going out on a

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Speaker 1: limb there, Paul. I think that's a fair comparison. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I think they've done quite well for themselves with Nick

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Speaker 1: Saban and company over the years. We want to remind

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Speaker 1: in the show because we're gonna get to right near

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Speaker 1: the top with Alabama. But let's just talk generics here, Paul.

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Speaker 1: In terms of this Alabama class, You've got pretty much

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Speaker 1: a little bit of everything. You've got some defensive lineman

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Speaker 1: the offensive line. And to me, I think maybe one

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Speaker 1: of the most intriguing positions is the running back spot

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Speaker 1: I think he jumps off the page as well. Well.

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Speaker 1: I think I saw something yesterday they had their pro day,

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Speaker 1: four six. Is that right? I think you may be right.

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Speaker 1: I don't know the number at the top of my head,

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Speaker 1: the guys from NFL Network put up a graphic and said, okay,

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Speaker 1: But you know what, I think, that's, however, reflection of

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Speaker 1: obviously goofing around flow because you know how little attention

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Speaker 1: I paid to a lot of that stuff. I I

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Speaker 1: such score for those things. And honestly the greats all

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Speaker 1: Quentin Williams. That was a very interesting one for me

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Speaker 1: because Lance I don't know anybody at the combine who

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Speaker 1: Giants at six. He should absolutely, positively, according to everybody's guests,

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Speaker 1: really like B. J. Hill. But if Quentin Williams drops

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Speaker 1: He's really, really good. I'm with you. I guess if

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Speaker 1: into play, Paul. In the worst case scenario, you move

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Speaker 1: who has covered the Tide for well over a decade

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Speaker 1: host on the Tide one or two point nine FM

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Speaker 1: in Tuscaloosa, and he's now kind enough to join in

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Speaker 1: thousand nineteen NFL Draft. Ryany Got Lance Medal. Paula Tino

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Speaker 1: here on Giants dot Com Big Blue Kickoff Live, appreciate

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Speaker 1: the time. How's everything today? Man? Everything is good now?

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Speaker 1: Now listen, we're a football show here in Tuscaloosa. But

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Speaker 1: of an eye shortly, absolutely absolutely. And Nick Saban came out.

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Speaker 1: It's like we're a hundred and sixty three days away

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Speaker 1: Is there any wartz on Quinnin Williams as he enters

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Speaker 1: defensive coordinator well in the first part of the season. Now,

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Speaker 1: I gotta give credit back to Chris Lowe because I

428
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Speaker 1: think he's the only one that broke the story from

429
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Speaker 1: ESPN that he lost his play calling responsibilities, and so

430
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Speaker 1: obviously if that would have broken September, it would have

431
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 1: been huge news. But it didn't break until January that

432
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Speaker 1: that pos POI had lost his play collegue. So what

433
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Speaker 1: they had to do is throw in a younger coach

434
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Speaker 1: that had some play calling experience on a really small

435
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 1: level college ball. So I think mack Wilson when I

436
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:07,479
Speaker 1: look back at his play and he looked like a

437
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,439
Speaker 1: lot of the defensive players, I don't think he was

438
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Speaker 1: able to reach his potential based on some of the

439
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,880
Speaker 1: confusion because he was the signal caller. He was the quote,

440
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,439
Speaker 1: you know, alpha on that side of the football, but

441
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 1: he didn't live into that Alabama standard linebacker. And I

442
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 1: think some of it was because of the defensive coordinator

443
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:35,359
Speaker 1: problem that it was confusion before the play ever got

444
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Speaker 1: to mack Wilson. And so adding that to that, I

445
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 1: don't think he could relax and play. I think he

446
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,880
Speaker 1: had because the previous year, we're talking about a linebacker

447
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 1: who led the team and interceptions. I mean, think about that.

448
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 1: I mean so, so if you look at the production

449
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 1: from the previous year and then you look at now,

450
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:59,680
Speaker 1: it just seemed like that middle side of things where

451
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:03,119
Speaker 1: they were confusion in the in the coaching ranks and

452
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,199
Speaker 1: what they wanted to do and how they wanted to

453
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,880
Speaker 1: do it. It seemed like, you know, it just he

454
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 1: couldn't relax and just play football. He was having to

455
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 1: deal with other circumstances. I think Matt could be a

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00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 1: guy in the system if he's worried about just himself.

457
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,239
Speaker 1: Because he was also having to take that leadership role.

458
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Speaker 1: So we're talking about a guy that you know, you

459
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Speaker 1: gotta step in and be that leader with Shaun Evans

460
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,199
Speaker 1: had passed that on and so it was it was

461
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,919
Speaker 1: a big challenge for him. And then you throw in

462
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Speaker 1: the wrinkle of losing a play caller and having to

463
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Speaker 1: switch that in September. It was just a big challenge

464
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Speaker 1: that I don't think he was able to overcome. So

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Speaker 1: I think he has more than what he showed. When

466
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Speaker 1: when we talk about that very very solid player. Uh

467
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,439
Speaker 1: it probably not the best Nick Saban linebacker that has

468
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 1: come through here. I mean you you goes no, Dante

469
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,439
Speaker 1: Hightower and Wanton Lane. I mean we could just go

470
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 1: through list of linebackers. You know, it's it's kind of

471
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 1: hard to get you know, you get quickly overshadowed by

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Speaker 1: those guys. So Matt Wilson is a is a serviceable linebacker?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, and I gotta, like I said, I

474
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Speaker 1: gotta blame some of that on coaching staff. I think

475
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 1: they had him confused and it didn't allow him to

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Speaker 1: reach his potential. Ryan last one on defense before we

477
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,879
Speaker 1: switched gears to offense. I know Paul mentioned that maybe

478
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Speaker 1: safety is not necessarily a need for the Giants. You

479
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 1: could argue corner Is and Savoan Smith, who from what

480
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 1: I read, was benched at the beginning of the season

481
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Speaker 1: and a lot of people are actually surprised that he

482
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Speaker 1: was even throwing his name into the draft. He's a

483
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 1: transfer from community college. You know, what do you make

484
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Speaker 1: of him and his rawness and whether or not he's

485
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Speaker 1: truly ready to make the jump to the NFL. Um Man,

486
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Speaker 1: I want to be positive um rawl skills that that

487
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: you guys can you know, might be able to develop?

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Speaker 1: Um He I don't. I don't see. I don't see

489
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Speaker 1: a lot of characteristics. You know, when I think about,

490
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 1: you know, defensive facts that have went from the knick

491
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 1: saving system. Uh, Savian Smith didn't really come to mind.

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Speaker 1: This is just an amateur opinion. But you're you guys

493
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 1: are asking me, so I gotta give it to you.

494
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 1: I don't see him. I mean, he may prove me wrong.

495
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: He's got the law skills. Maybe it clicks for him

496
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 1: at some point. But just a couple of days ago

497
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,640
Speaker 1: at the pro Day, I mean, he was his times

498
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 1: were well, not what you would think from a typical

499
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 1: defensive fact. I think it was in the four sevens

500
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Speaker 1: in a forty yard dash. Yeah, I don't know. Uh,

501
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 1: there's something there that's missing, and I don't know what

502
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Speaker 1: it is. But I don't know if I can see

503
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Speaker 1: Savioan Smith, you know, being a major contributor unless things

504
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Speaker 1: really change at the next level. All Right, we flipped

505
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Speaker 1: it to offense, and again we know the Giants have

506
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 1: a superstar running back in say Kwon Barkley. So I

507
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: don't know that that I want to take any of

508
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: your time on the backs. I want to go right

509
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: to Jonah Williams, who I'll be honest with you Ryan.

510
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 1: At the Combine, again, we talked to so many people there.

511
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 1: It was a real seek and search knowledge map that

512
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 1: we we kind of followed, and Jonah Williams had some

513
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: very mixed reviews. Now, I don't know if you're gonna

514
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: tell us a lot of great things about him or

515
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: if you're gonna agree with some of the mixed things.

516
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: But there are those who think he should definitely be

517
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Speaker 1: a top five pick and the first offensive i'men off

518
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,959
Speaker 1: the board. There are others who do not think so

519
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: at all, and there are even some folks who think

520
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,199
Speaker 1: he should be a guard. So let's have it. What

521
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: do you what do you what do you want to

522
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 1: say about him? Well, I think he struggled with the

523
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 1: elite pass rushers, So I'm talking about the elite of

524
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 1: the elite, I think it. And some of that was

525
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: because okay, so that guard tackle combination and the author

526
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 1: to blind they didn't. They did okay job of a

527
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,360
Speaker 1: past protection with two of but he took a lot

528
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,199
Speaker 1: of hits, but they had to slide his you know,

529
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 1: his wrecking mate there over the center. And so then

530
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: the left guard was kind of a rotating chairs. I mean,

531
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 1: it was just like, okay, and some of that was

532
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,439
Speaker 1: because of injury something that was because of you know,

533
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 1: some off the field issues, but it seemed like that

534
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 1: left guard would that that be an unstable I don't

535
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: think he was able to reach that potential. I think

536
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: Jonah Williams can be, you know, a tenure player in

537
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,479
Speaker 1: the NFL. I think he's that. You know, look at

538
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: left tackle. I thought, in my opinion, when he played

539
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: right tackle, I thought he was better at right tackle

540
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: than he wasn't left tackle because and and yeah, in

541
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: my opinion, he played better at right tackle that he

542
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: did left tackle. Why why though, Why was he better

543
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 1: on the right side than the left side. What did

544
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: they show you there that made you feel good about him? Well?

545
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: And that was his first year, so I guess maybe

546
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: the expectations kind of changes. Right You're looking at the

547
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: guy steps in, he starts at right tackle, and you

548
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: don't get that number one elite pass rusher. So when

549
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: when you were getting that elite pass rusher. Yeah, I

550
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: mean he he you know, he won his fair share

551
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: of battles. But what I think about a top ten

552
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: offensive lineman, you know, I I think there's some there's

553
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: some areas that Gena is gonna have to improve, and

554
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: you know, he's gonna have to be that guy that

555
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: you know is gonna protect that twenty million dollar quarterback

556
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: and make sure that he didn't get hit, and so

557
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: I thought, uh, you know, we don't ever see the

558
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: public grags, but just judging from my eyes, I thought,

559
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: when you're thinking about a dominant left tackle, when you're

560
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: thinking about it, left tackle that's gonna guard your twenty

561
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: million dollar quarterback, I don't want my quarterback getting hit

562
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: in any from the left side. And I just thought

563
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: there was too many guys that maybe you know, go

564
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: back to the game where he was playing the elite

565
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: talent when we talk about Clemson. Yeah, Farrell just destroyed

566
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: him right and so that's really you know, that would

567
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: be by concern, you know. So I don't know if

568
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: there was something that he was dealing with im and

569
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: sometimes you don't learn, you know, hey, what happened here?

570
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: What was in this game? And so you know, to me,

571
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: I thought he played better right tackle when when he

572
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: came in highly intelligent, they thought he could play all

573
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Speaker 1: five positions on the offensive line. And that's where you know,

574
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: for for a young player up and coming, they started

575
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: him at right, they moved him to the left, and see,

576
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: I thought they would move him back to white tackle

577
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: to protect to his blind side because of the left

578
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: handed quarterback. So I thought he would go back to

579
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Speaker 1: the right side. They didn't. They kept him at left.

580
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: But either way he still played. You know, he met

581
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: the elite pass rusher for whatever team they were playing,

582
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: and I thought at times, you know, he didn't show

583
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: me he's a great left tackle, but when you think

584
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: about a top ten left tackle, you know, there's some

585
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: things that he's gonna have to improve on. And some

586
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: of that was probably because that left guard. He had

587
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: more responsibility because of the guard. I mean, guys, when

588
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: I say it was a rotating chairs, it was a

589
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: rotating chairs, like I mean, he probably had to look

590
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: over there just to make sure who was playing that

591
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: left guard spot. I mean, so some of that was

592
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: probably probably that. Just to boil it down to one word,

593
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: then is it technique that made him a chad short

594
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: of expectation at left tackle or was its skill set?

595
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,959
Speaker 1: It sounds to me like more technique based on what

596
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: you're telling me, although maybe it was a little bit

597
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: of both. Well, it could have been a little bit

598
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: of both and and and and maybe it was you know,

599
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: a little bit of technique, But like I said, it

600
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: was probably you know, probably some of it was mental too,

601
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: because as I think that offensive line really never got stable. Now,

602
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: run protection, you know, I didn't think this was a

603
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: good overall run protection that which was really odd. Normally

604
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: you're a better run protector run run blocking guys than

605
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: you are pass protection, and but this even it was

606
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: a better pass protection overall as a group. So I'm

607
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: not I'm not talking about Jonah got beat you know,

608
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: four or five times a game. I just saw when

609
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: when the elite guys went up against him, he he

610
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: had you know, you're gonna struggle with the elite guys.

611
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: You know they're gonna win some and you're gonna win something.

612
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: And so maybe that's that That's where I'm going back to, Uh,

613
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: you know, when when when I see him as a

614
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: guy that you know, he he lost a few battles

615
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: and and he won quite a few two but overall

616
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: the consistency, you know, he's a lunch pal kid. We're

617
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: talking with Ryan Faller, host on the Tide one or

618
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: two point nine FM, and tuscar looser Ryan last one

619
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: from the offensive perspective, and this may not necessarily be

620
00:32:58,320 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: a need for the Giants, but they have, you to

621
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: has a lot of tight ends, specifically late last season

622
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: even though they do have Evan Ingram, who they used

623
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: on the first round pick a few years ago, and

624
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: Urge Smith, who also is the son of a former

625
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: NFL player. And every time you bring up a tight

626
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: end out of Alabama, O J. Howard's name comes up

627
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: based on what he's been able to do with Tampa Bay.

628
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: But you know, Howard didn't necessarily all of a sudden

629
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: blossom in year one in Alabama. Took him some time.

630
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: You know, what have you seen out of IRV Smith?

631
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: And if you were to compare him to O. J. Howard?

632
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: Is that fair or are they on complete opposite ends

633
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: of the spectrum as far as you're concerned, Well, I

634
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: I think probably a little bit physical is probably O. J. Howard.

635
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: I think er Smith is probably uh, you know, probably

636
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: a little bit better speed. I mean, just kind of

637
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: judging trying to compare those two. It's it's a little

638
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: bit of a challenge, but uh, you know, O J.

639
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: Howard was, you know, much more because in the previous

640
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: years Alabama kind of struggled to get their passing attack

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Speaker 1: cranked up right. I mean that was really a struggle

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Speaker 1: with Jalen Hurts and really didn't use the tight end too.

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Speaker 1: It was able to come in and it was like

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Speaker 1: you know, er Smith was was part of the passing

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Speaker 1: game and so HERV is also with his father and

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Speaker 1: the pedigree there, so he had the you know, the

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Speaker 1: the everything that you were looking for. Speed. I thought

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Speaker 1: he's probably a little bit faster than O. J. Howard

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Speaker 1: and I don't even have their times right in front

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Speaker 1: of me, but just judging football speed, I thought, you know,

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Speaker 1: Irv's probably a little bit faster, but I think O J.

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Speaker 1: Is probably a little bit more physical of a tight end,

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Speaker 1: and so I think he was able to block, you know,

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Speaker 1: o J was. I think that's part of what Irv's

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Speaker 1: gonna have to work on, is becoming a bigger blocker

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Speaker 1: if if that's the you know, the area that they

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Speaker 1: want him to focus in on. But good hands, good hands.

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Speaker 1: And I know there's a couple of plays that you're

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Speaker 1: gonna see that are just drops. And one of those

660
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: was out in the SEC Championship game and it was

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Speaker 1: in the middle of the field and Alabama was you know,

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Speaker 1: really put them behind the eight ball. It was probably

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Speaker 1: a touchdown and it was just a right in your

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Speaker 1: hands drop. And so that's a play that you look

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Speaker 1: back and you go, oh, man, But I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you could judge that because I think he had

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Speaker 1: great hands. For some reason. I think he was so

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00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: wide open that he just lost his focus. And it's

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Speaker 1: one of those that you know, if that have been

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Speaker 1: two defenders around and it probably had a little bit

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00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,439
Speaker 1: more focus on the football. But soft hands, a guy

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Speaker 1: to can go up get the football, and he was

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Speaker 1: a weapon. He was a mismatch because of that speed

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Speaker 1: that he's got. He you get him isolated on a

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Speaker 1: linebacker and uh man, you could really really do some

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Speaker 1: you know, some big damage. When you talk about Arth Smith,

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Speaker 1: big time player, and you know, I'd have loved to

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Speaker 1: see him come back and to be able to spend

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Speaker 1: one more year in this system, uh because I don't

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Speaker 1: know what he would have been able to accomplish. But

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00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 1: I mean year number one with two of its hung

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Speaker 1: about Lowa throwing a football and getting away from Jalen

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Speaker 1: Hurds and a guy that could go through his aggressions.

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Speaker 1: He was a much bigger part of the offense. He

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Speaker 1: is Ryan Fowler, host on the Tide one or two

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Speaker 1: point nine FM in TUSCALOOCID kind enough to break down

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Speaker 1: the Alabama class in the upcoming two thousand nineteen draft.

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Speaker 1: Ryan greatly appreciate the time in the inside, and I'm

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Speaker 1: sure we'll be bringing you on to talk about TA

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Speaker 1: at this time next season. Yeah. Now, listen, listen. I

691
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 1: hear a lot of rumors out there about hankin for TUA.

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Speaker 1: Now not not from East Rullaford. No, no, not from

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Speaker 1: East Rullaford. Ryan, There's nothing about tanking coming out of

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Speaker 1: the Giants. I guarantee you that. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

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Speaker 1: But now listen, I have to admit and I want

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Speaker 1: to make sure that you guys understand I'm a giant,

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Speaker 1: gigantic Dallas Cowboys fan, So that means the last thirty

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Speaker 1: minutes means nothing. Right, I'm you guys don't even know

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Speaker 1: what I was telling me the truth. That's fair. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's good. That adds the mystery. Then, but you gave

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Speaker 1: yourself away because you also said you were Howard span Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well no, no, well but yeah we got you. Yea,

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Speaker 1: thank you, Ryan, appreciate the time of the insect. That's

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Speaker 1: Ryan Fowler once again here on Big Blue Kickoff Live,

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Speaker 1: and it is presented by Corps light download of the

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Speaker 1: Coors Live Awards app to win Amazing Giants prizes. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna open up the phone line so they made through

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Speaker 1: the program, so feel free to give us a ring

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Speaker 1: at two zero one one three hashtag Giants Chat, focusing

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00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,959
Speaker 1: on the draft as well as other developments. The one

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00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: thing that he really shocked me about, in spite of

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Speaker 1: the fact that I told you John and I had

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Speaker 1: heard mixed reviews on Jonah Williams back at the combine,

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Speaker 1: he clearly was not viewing him as an elite left tackles.

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Speaker 1: A lot of work to be done, a lot of

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Speaker 1: work to be done, and and you know, from a

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Speaker 1: guy who got to see him up close in personal

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Speaker 1: weekend and week out, even though he is a self

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Speaker 1: proclaimed not a scout type. Uh, that's concerning for me

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Speaker 1: when he when he says the quarterback got hit a

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Speaker 1: little too much from my liking at the left tackle

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Speaker 1: spot and against the elite talent from the defensive Yeah

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Speaker 1: to me. To me, that's a that's a that's a

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Speaker 1: pretty significant black mark if you're thinking about a guy

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Speaker 1: to be picked in the top ten. Yeah. No, I

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Speaker 1: think that's a fair point. And that's why with all

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Speaker 1: offensive lineman usually Paul. You know, it's always the million

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Speaker 1: dollar question, is it rawness, is their potential or is

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Speaker 1: the guy a finished product and we can plug him

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Speaker 1: in here. One. I think you're always really playing that

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Speaker 1: guests a game, especially somebody that's moved around throughout the

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Speaker 1: course of their collegiate career. But I thought it was

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Speaker 1: important for Ryan to note, and this is something you

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Speaker 1: have to take into consideration because Paul and fairness, we

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Speaker 1: talked about it. Even on the NFL level, when the

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Speaker 1: guy next to you at the other position, the left

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Speaker 1: guard is a revolving door and I'm using his words

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Speaker 1: and things fluctuating and change. We see it on the

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Speaker 1: NFL level, that affects the play of the left tack

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Speaker 1: And by the way, it can't because the reality is, dude,

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Speaker 1: strap it up, go play, get it done, because you

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Speaker 1: don't want to hear those excuses. You're gonna experience, likely

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Speaker 1: again all of that on the end level, and you're

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00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: gonna do that. Those excuses do not wash. You still

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00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: need to to produce at a high level. So you know,

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Speaker 1: I came out of the combine feeling that Jamal Taylor

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Speaker 1: from Florida is the number one left tackle on the board.

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Speaker 1: Going in, I wasn't so sure, but by the time

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Speaker 1: I got done with Indianapolis, I was convinced that Taylor

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Speaker 1: was the best left tackle and that Williams was going

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Speaker 1: to be down further. Now It's also possible, even based

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Speaker 1: on what Ryan said, because he did start off Jonah

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Speaker 1: Williams is a right tackle. A team may say, hey,

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Speaker 1: we like him and we're gonna bring him in. He's

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Speaker 1: gonna play right tackle for us. But then the question

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Speaker 1: is he worth taking in the top ten if your

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Speaker 1: goal is to use him on the right side. Now, granted,

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Speaker 1: Paul a lot of left tackles in colleges seniors or juniors,

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Speaker 1: they wind up starting off at the right side and

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Speaker 1: then later on in the creative moved to the left side.

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Speaker 1: So that's not unheard of either, but it would not

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Speaker 1: surprise me. I guess what I'm saying is, if somebody

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Speaker 1: thinks very highly of Jonah Williams, it says he's coming

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Speaker 1: in day one, we're putting him on the right side.

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Speaker 1: Down the road, second, third year will consider moving to

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Speaker 1: left side, but you know what, we like his skill set,

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Speaker 1: we're starting him off on the right side, and they

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Speaker 1: may value that and then may warrant them. Taking him

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Speaker 1: with a high pick would not surprise me, but very well.

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Speaker 1: See that. Come to fruition two zero one, five one

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Speaker 1: three is the telephone number. Let's open up the phone lines.

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Speaker 1: As we move forward here on the latest edition of

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Speaker 1: Big Blue Kickoff Live on this Thursday, Marco is in Connecticut.

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Speaker 1: He gets us going, what's happening in Marco? Hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: how are you all right? Marco? What'll tell your mind? Um?

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna just mention something that you that you just

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Speaker 1: said about the offensive line position. But I wanted to

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Speaker 1: start because I didn't get a chance to call him

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Speaker 1: last week. Um, the whole thing that happened with the

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Speaker 1: trade with Odell. Um. I've been saying a lot. This

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Speaker 1: is going on like the last few years. When I

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Speaker 1: especially no doubt when I think a guy's like Brandon

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Speaker 1: Jacobs comes to mind, Bradshaw, David Deal. Um, those guys

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Speaker 1: were not drafted high. But the one thing that I

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00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: always have loved about them, and I still to this day,

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Speaker 1: why they're like some of my favorite giants is because

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Speaker 1: they you knew, they loved being part of the team.

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00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: They look like Brandon Jacob said his day, he'll he'll

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Speaker 1: still and deal does it too. Sometimes when he's on

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Speaker 1: with you guys, he'll throw out little digs at the

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Speaker 1: nfc S teams. Jacobs is a giant through and through

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Speaker 1: and he loved it and you knew that about him.

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Speaker 1: I will tell I will tell you I never got

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Speaker 1: that feeling from Odell and I at Lance. I know

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Speaker 1: you're you're not big on like, you know, picking up

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Speaker 1: vibes and and a lot of weight. I but in

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Speaker 1: my opinion, I will just say he I just never

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Speaker 1: I never got that feeling. And now with this trade,

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Speaker 1: it kind of took me back to that and I

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Speaker 1: was not not that I'm I wasn't happy to see

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Speaker 1: him go because I think he is one of the

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Speaker 1: best players in the NFL. I haven't felt this way

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Speaker 1: about another player leaving the team. Then. I felt like

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Speaker 1: when we traded made the trade for Eli and I

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Speaker 1: remember when that trade happened, I would say, all the

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Speaker 1: way up until he won his first Super Bowl, I

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00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: was glued to knowing what Philip Rivers was doing. Sean Merriman.

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Speaker 1: I was even interested in Nate Katie because they were

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Speaker 1: all tied to the Tree. So that's how I feel

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Speaker 1: about Odell. Now that's the only part that I'm I

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Speaker 1: believe in Gettleman a hundred percent. But to know that

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Speaker 1: Collins is very close by in d C and Beckham

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Speaker 1: is in the prime of his career, that you that

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Speaker 1: it's just uh, it's hard man. You're gonna we're gonna

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Speaker 1: be connected to these guys for a very long time. Well,

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Speaker 1: they're always gonna be connected to the Giants organization because

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Speaker 1: their draft picks. So like anybody else, I think you're

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Speaker 1: always gonna monitor what becomes of their career. But as

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Speaker 1: far as you know, well, Landed Collins wound up with

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Speaker 1: a division rival. Once a guy hits free agency, he's

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Speaker 1: a title to sign with whoever he wants. And I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying you're criticizing Landed for that, but I don't

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Speaker 1: think there's a team right now that is thinking when

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Speaker 1: they part ways with a player, oh no, there's a

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Speaker 1: chance the guy is gonna stay in the division. You've

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Speaker 1: got to make decisions that are good for your team,

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Speaker 1: not necessarily what's gonna be come down the road. Land's

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Speaker 1: no doubt. But the thing with Collins was there we

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Speaker 1: arguably we chose not to bring him back, and he

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Speaker 1: wanted to be a Giant. That's why I bring him up.

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Speaker 1: Of course, there's guys that leave a free agency, but

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Speaker 1: it wasn't like he picked up in the middle of

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Speaker 1: the night and left. He wanted to stay here. No,

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Speaker 1: But the point that I'm bringing up is there's also

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Speaker 1: players that the Giants have let go of. They may

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Speaker 1: not be the same notoriety of Landed Collins, and then

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Speaker 1: they wound up with the Cowboys, or they wound up

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Speaker 1: with the Eagles. They stayed within the division. And yes,

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Speaker 1: maybe we're not treating it like that because they're not

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Speaker 1: Pro Bowl as players. But I guess my point is

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Speaker 1: it's not unheard of for the Giants apart ways with

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Speaker 1: a player and then the guy winds up in the division.

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Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. Yeah, um, I'll jump off after this,

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Speaker 1: but I um the offensive line so right tackle. I

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Speaker 1: thought I thought it was going to be addressed a

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Speaker 1: free agency, and it might still be. But I agree,

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Speaker 1: I I just got on late. I agree that if

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Speaker 1: there's a guy that maybe someday could translate over I

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Speaker 1: don't know, you know, Nate Solder, it would be great

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Speaker 1: to have someone that you think could kind of be

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Speaker 1: in the bull ten for him someday. I think I

852
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Speaker 1: look at the forty nine ers. They drafted him Acglinchey

853
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 1: last year, and he was a left tackle if I

854
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: remember at Notre Dame, but they played him at right

855
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 1: tackle in San fran and maybe maybe he switches over

856
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: suit Who knows? Um is that? Do you guys have

857
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 1: any background on that? Is that why they let Trent

858
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: Brown go? Well? I don't think Trent Brown worked out

859
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 1: to their liking. I mean that was really the part

860
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: of the rational as to why they moved on from him.

861
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: The upside and the potential to them wasn't there. And also,

862
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: remember Kyle Shanahan comes in. It's a new coaching staff.

863
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,919
Speaker 1: Trent Brown was a too thousand, fifteen, seventh round pick,

864
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 1: so Shanahan wasn't there already. You're bringing a new coaching staff,

865
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,320
Speaker 1: you bringing new assistance. Remember they're gonna have a different

866
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: viewpoint and we'll let you go on that note, appreciate

867
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: the phone call. So I think that was also a

868
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 1: part of them moving on from Trent Brown, in addition

869
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: to whether or not he developed as quick to their liking,

870
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: and they moved in a different direction. You're right, they

871
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,720
Speaker 1: brought in McGlinchey, but they've transformed that offensive line the Niners.

872
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: That wasn't the only change that they made. Remember they

873
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: brought in Western Richburg from the Giants. So there was

874
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: a lot of movement that San Francisco didn't. And like

875
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 1: I said, that happens when you bring in new management.

876
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 1: You had a new general manager, Paul, and you had

877
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,760
Speaker 1: a new coaching staff. So I don't think that necessarily

878
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 1: be a surprise in terms of San Francisco going in

879
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 1: a different direction. Let's head back to the phone lines.

880
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 1: Jeff is in Rhode Island. Jeff, welcome aboard. What do

881
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: you got for us? Hey, good afternoon, gentlemen. Yeah, I

882
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: was wondering if both of you watched The prancessor I

883
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: get on my interview the other day. And reason on

884
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: the reason I'm asking is because I watched it very thoroughly,

885
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 1: and I sure came away with the feeling that Dave

886
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 1: Gedtlman is going to draft a quarterback in the first round.

887
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 1: What did you get out of that? Well, I think

888
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 1: you're referring to that last question where Mike frances and

889
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing it because I don't have the exact quote

890
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: in front of me, but it was something about do

891
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 1: you think you'll secure the future quarterback and have him

892
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: on the roster this year? And then his answer was

893
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 1: probably so yeah. I mean you could read into that

894
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:34,359
Speaker 1: as you ask Jeff, and I'm sure there's a lot

895
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:38,280
Speaker 1: of people saying, well, probably means likely, and that means

896
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,879
Speaker 1: that they're gonna find it, perhaps through the trade, through

897
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 1: the draft. And and that's the key, because the final

898
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:47,720
Speaker 1: question Mike asked him did not say draft, he's secure,

899
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 1: which means just as well that he could be intending

900
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 1: that he's going to make a trade for a young quarterback.

901
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:57,720
Speaker 1: You know, that's why you've got to be very careful

902
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: with samanics and and I'm I'm very specific with those things,

903
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: because every word means something and it could also mean

904
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 1: a bunch of other things. And you've got to be

905
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:12,240
Speaker 1: so very careful because remember one thing too, as Gettleman

906
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 1: said back at the combine, and I don't think this

907
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: changes because philosophically things don't change. Details do circumstances due,

908
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 1: but philosophies don't. And Gettleman made it very clear at

909
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,800
Speaker 1: the combine. I just listened to his entire press or

910
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: that he had strictly with the Giants media people after

911
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: he was at the podium. I actually played it this

912
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: morning at four thirty in the morning. I replayed it

913
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 1: to myself because I wanted to make sure that I

914
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 1: listened specifically to what he said, and he was very clear,

915
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: you cannot force it, you cannot reach for a quarterback.

916
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,240
Speaker 1: He would love to get one, and I really believe

917
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: in his heart of hearts, he would love to believe

918
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,879
Speaker 1: all in a hundred and fifty on one of these quarterbacks.

919
00:47:56,200 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: The question is if he doesn't, would he pull the

920
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: trigger anyway. I don't think he would. That's strictly my

921
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 1: OPI doesn't because I certainly you don't see the value

922
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: when he's one of those guys as first round draft picks.

923
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: In my mind, is just not there. So I don't know.

924
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe it was Dave Getleman just putting out a

925
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: smoke screen. We could very well be that too. That's

926
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 1: a fairy fair point, Jeff. You also have to take

927
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 1: that into considerations. Remember, I don't think philosophies are smoke screens.

928
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: I think when you when you get asked about details.

929
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 1: I think that's where you put out smoke screens. I

930
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:36,720
Speaker 1: don't think a guy's general philosophies about how he does things.

931
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:38,919
Speaker 1: I don't think guys b su about that. I don't

932
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: think that's a smoke screen. Well no, but I guess

933
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 1: he's a school and that's not going to but just

934
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: piggybacking off of Jess point Paul. During the conference call

935
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: with reporters, Dave Gettlman also made it very clear and

936
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,720
Speaker 1: I agree with his mindset. When the reporters were pressing

937
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 1: him about the plan, what's the plan, what's the direction?

938
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 1: He said, he's not my responsibility as a general to

939
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: give you the lay out the plan. So it's also

940
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: not his responsibility to tell everybody whether or not they're

941
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: going to get a quarterback this year. Either agree, So

942
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 1: I just think I won't think one of those two quarterbacks,

943
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 1: and with the number six pick, that would be a

944
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: huge reach in my opinion. I agree with you. I

945
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 1: don't think we should go there one little bit. So

946
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 1: that's what I think. Thank you, Jeff, appreciate the phone call.

947
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for weighing in. From one Jeff we

948
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: had to another Jeff. Jeff Now and hunting. Did Jeff,

949
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 1: what's happening? Yeah, Hi, guys. First off, the signing of

950
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: Benny Fowler. I think that that was official, But I

951
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: just like the fact that what I saw with him

952
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 1: last year because he seemed to get the team out

953
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: of some third and long situations with both catching and running.

954
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: So I don't know what he's gonna be able to

955
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 1: do this year. I know he's going to compete for

956
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: the position, but I liked what he did the last season.

957
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 1: Let him compete. That's the bottom line. Because Sterling Shepherd

958
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: and now Golden Tate, as far as I'm concerned, those

959
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 1: are the only two wide receiver spots that are solidified

960
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: numbers three, four, five, and if there is a six,

961
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: I don't know that there will be. Those spots are

962
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: all gonna be up for grabs. You better earn it

963
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: come training camp if you expect to be on the

964
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: opening day roster. Well, Benny's fellas is a veteran. I'm

965
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 1: sure he realizes what his situation is. So you know,

966
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: whoever wins the job wins the job. My My main

967
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: focus though, is on the quarterback position, as as the

968
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 1: way certain teams around the NFL are now looking at

969
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: the quarterback position because when we when somebody, when some

970
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: team drafts a quarterback in the first round and announces

971
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 1: that this is our franchise quarterback and he's going to

972
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 1: be there for the next ten years or so. I

973
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: think that philosophy in in some teams now is changing

974
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: only for the reason that we're seeing different types of

975
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 1: skill sets that we or that have been changed from

976
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:06,280
Speaker 1: the prototypical quarterback that we saw from years ago. And

977
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: for for instance, I think that Arizona, Okay, if if

978
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:16,760
Speaker 1: you know the talk about whether or not UH Kyler

979
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: Murray is is a selection for them, Well, what are

980
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: they looking at at him for for the immediate needs

981
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: of the club there? I look at it as UH.

982
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 1: They don't look at him at it in a tenure window.

983
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 1: I think they look at him in a five year window.

984
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: I think they're looking for immediate returns on their investment

985
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 1: and whether because of the coach and whether or not

986
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:48,320
Speaker 1: he can adapt Kyler Murray's play from UH from UH

987
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:52,439
Speaker 1: from college into the NFL and adapt the offense around him.

988
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 1: I think there's like a a trend with certain teams,

989
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: maybe not with every team where they're looking at the

990
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:06,399
Speaker 1: quarterback maybe in a more limited five years versus ten years,

991
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 1: that is capacity. I don't know. I mean, you know,

992
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: it seems to me when you're going to invest a

993
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 1: first round pick in a player, especially a very very

994
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 1: high one, in this case, the number one overall, you

995
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: have to be thinking to yourself that this guy is

996
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 1: going to be a focal point of what we do

997
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: for two contracts. I don't necessarily know that. You could

998
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 1: just think he's going to last through his rookie deal

999
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: and that's going to be the end of it. To me, now,

1000
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 1: maybe in isolated cases you may have a point that

1001
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 1: they're thinking a little more short term, but I would

1002
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: find it very hard to believe that the general philosophy

1003
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 1: around the league is that we want a guy who's

1004
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 1: going to give us five terrific years and we're gonna

1005
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,439
Speaker 1: we're gonna pick high with him. I just don't see that.

1006
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: I mean, here's the thing, Okay, here's the thing. Remember

1007
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: when the Jets took Sanchez in the first round, they

1008
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,399
Speaker 1: took Geno Smith in the first round. The brown took

1009
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: how many different quarterbacks over the years in the first round.

1010
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 1: When when when you take a first round quarterback and

1011
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: you miss that bust factor absolutely destroys your organization for

1012
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,359
Speaker 1: years and years to come. Otherwise you're forced to take

1013
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 1: another one the next season. And so to me, to me,

1014
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:22,320
Speaker 1: your conviction has to be strong enough that you believe

1015
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,399
Speaker 1: this guy is going to be able to get through

1016
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 1: two contracts. Because if your conviction isn't that strong that

1017
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:29,839
Speaker 1: you think, oh, he's only going to give us four

1018
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 1: or five really good years, that says your conviction is

1019
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,399
Speaker 1: not strong enough to make that selection. That that's just me,

1020
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 1: and it means you're also gonna have to address the

1021
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,479
Speaker 1: position in a short term time frame. That's not that's

1022
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: not fun. You're gonna be missing out on other players

1023
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: that can round that your roster. I think Jeff I

1024
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 1: would not be fooled by Arizona so much. I agree

1025
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: with you to a certain extent. Arizona may have a

1026
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: small window out there, and the rationale being Cliff Kingsbury,

1027
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,760
Speaker 1: who was just hiders the new head coach coached in college,

1028
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: obviously likes Kyler Murray's play. And I'm sure of the

1029
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 1: mindset is Kyler Murray could come in and effectively run

1030
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 1: his system, maybe more so than Josh Rosen because of

1031
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 1: what Josh Rosen did in college. So yeah, Arizona may

1032
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: be thinking about we want to give Cliff Kingsbury a

1033
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 1: quarterback that is going to have him run that system

1034
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 1: effectively have instantaneous success. But that also doesn't mean that

1035
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 1: they don't think Kyler Murray has long term potential. And

1036
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:22,800
Speaker 1: it also is a dangerous philosophy because if Steve Kim

1037
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,320
Speaker 1: as the general manager, is trying to cater to his

1038
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: head coach and bringing the quarterback that his head coach wants,

1039
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 1: then if that backfires, everybody could potentially be gone and

1040
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: Arizona is gonna have to be looking for another quarterback

1041
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: that may fit a completely new coach in two to

1042
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 1: three years. So I actually don't like bringing in a

1043
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 1: quarterback who just fits your coaches scheme. I think you

1044
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,359
Speaker 1: should love the potential of the quarterback, and you should

1045
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 1: be able to work with the quarterback and adapt to

1046
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: the quarterback. Should not be vice aversa. To me, that's

1047
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 1: very dangerous territory. You know, I I agree in that

1048
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 1: general principle, But the fact is that there are certain

1049
00:54:56,560 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 1: teams that are taking chances on chron unquote first ground

1050
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 1: picks that have this component of getting into situations that

1051
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 1: can cause injuries to them. But like like you have

1052
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 1: another example a great quarterback, I don't think, well, but

1053
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: Jeff Carson component that you know, uh creates a what

1054
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:20,879
Speaker 1: I would think is a shortened window, you know for

1055
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 1: that particular athlete. Well, Jeff, I mean, I appreciate the

1056
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:25,360
Speaker 1: phone call, but the two teams that you gave as

1057
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: an example, Philadelphia moved up to DREB to grab Carson Wentz.

1058
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 1: I I don't think there was really major risk involved

1059
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 1: in him. Yes, he's a mobile quarterback, but it wasn't

1060
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 1: as if they said, hey, come in and run and

1061
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz got hurt. Yes, on a play where he

1062
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 1: was trying to dive and get an extra yard. But

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Speaker 1: you know, once again, I don't think that was a

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Speaker 1: major risk factor for Philadelphia. When Carson Wentz and Jared

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00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 1: Goffe were considered really good quarterbacks in San Francisco went

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00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 1: out inside Jimmy Garoppolo. So once again, I don't think

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00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 1: that was a huge risk at all. Garoppolo came from

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Speaker 1: New England system. He was a quarterback act that Bill

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00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: Belichick spoke very highly of. Also had some experience working

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00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:07,359
Speaker 1: in the film room backing up Tom Brady, They went out,

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00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:09,359
Speaker 1: they acquired him via trade, they gave him a free

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00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 1: agent contract. I think that's completely different than going after

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00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 1: a quarterback that's much smaller in stature, did not have

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00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 1: nearly as much experience as a staughter in college. So

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Speaker 1: I don't think Philadelphia and San Francisco a great examples

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00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 1: compared to what maybe Arizona is trying to do. With

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Speaker 1: that being said, let's head back to the lines. Mike

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Speaker 1: is in Pennsylvania. Mike, welcome to the program. What do

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Speaker 1: you have for us? Paul Lance, how are we doing? Hi?

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00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:35,439
Speaker 1: All right, Mike, what's on your mind? Uh? Well, first,

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00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 1: and Morner, if you can actually deliver a message to

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00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 1: Mr Schmell Uh wondering if you can tell him to

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00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 1: go back and listen to the February twenty episode of

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00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 1: BBKL and about thirty three minutes in, can you tell

1085
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 1: him he owes me a handshake for his little hye roll? Okay, boy,

1086
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 1: we're really getting to an exact spot. Okay, we'll pass

1087
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 1: that message, or you could call back in and tell

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00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:00,919
Speaker 1: me he's gonna be on the mod alright, so give

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00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:09,840
Speaker 1: him no reason to Well, I had to get through sometimes, Uh, anyways. Uh,

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Speaker 1: from those of us that actually watch football, hats off

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00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 1: to Dave Gentleman. Uh, what I think everyone's not considering

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00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 1: is how good of a puzzle piece Jabrill Peppers is

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00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 1: going to be in Fetters scheme. Well, it's certainly upside there.

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00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 1: Time will tell, but that clearly was one of the

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00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 1: appealing factors that Dave Gettleman spoke about publicly, and he

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00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 1: said he was an interpended safety. Yeah, I mean he

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00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 1: said without Peppers, they're not making the deal, so they

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00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 1: must value him very highly. Well, and I've said this,

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Speaker 1: I think what's being missed in the discussion about Peppers is, yes,

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00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 1: he's a safety and he's got versatility, but he's also

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00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 1: a special teamer, which has too you know, nobody seems

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00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 1: to bring up he returned kickoffs and punts or the Browns.

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00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 1: You know, that's something that you're always looking for out

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00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 1: of a player who may be a starter or a

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00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 1: backup because you can only maximize your ft three man rosters.

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00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 1: And he's not afraid to cover kicks either. Well, I

1107
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 1: think what we've been missing in Betcher's scheme the last

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00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: couple of years was one year. Yeah, Yeah, I think

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00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 1: what we've been missing is that star hybrid linebacker safety

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00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 1: role that he's kind of famous for, well somewhat famous

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00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 1: for having. Uh, Look, I think I'll make all the

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00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 1: difference in the world. Like Zach Ertz, Jordan Reid, Vernon Davis.

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00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 1: As good as Ogletree was last year, he didn't have

1114
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 1: the coverage skills and the speed to kind of like

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00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 1: take these tight ends out of the game. Look, I'm

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00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna make this real simple for you. I

1117
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 1: don't want to cut you off, but I'm gonna make

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00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 1: it simple for you. The Giants starting defensive unit under

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00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 1: Becheer last year did not have enough of playmakers. So

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Speaker 1: we could sit here and talk about his scheme and

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00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 1: who fits better and who doesn't fit as well. The

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00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: bottom line is they didn't have enough playmakers. So I'm

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Speaker 1: not I'm not gonna get into a debate as to

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Speaker 1: whether or not guys fit or don't fit, or if

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Speaker 1: his scheme is any good or not any good. Get

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00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 1: more playmakers on the unit, then we can talk. And

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00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: I think that's what gentleman is trying to do. So

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Speaker 1: I'm with you. I'm uh, listen, one more free agent target.

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00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 1: I'd love to see, let's go around and get Donald Penn.

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00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 1: I mean, what's what's the worst second happened? We draft

1131
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 1: the right tackle and Donald Penn's or swing tackle. Well,

1132
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 1: remember Donald Penn, iff member, he says to me correctly,

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00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 1: was somebody that the Giants had interested in about a

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00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 1: year or two ago, and it's two sixteen. They invited

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00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 1: him for a visit, and he took he took the

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00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 1: up of the Uh, he accepted the visit, and then

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Speaker 1: on his way here, decided not to take the visit

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00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 1: and didn't about face and went back and leveraged it

1139
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 1: for a better deal with the Raiders. So that's that's

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00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 1: one thing you have to keep in mind. The second

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00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 1: thing is Penn has tweeted out that he intends to

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00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 1: play several more years as a left tackle, and the

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00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: Giant are looking for a right tackle if they're looking

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Speaker 1: for anything. I mean, Dave Gentleman hasn't specifically said that,

1145
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,919
Speaker 1: but with Soldier getting the money he's getting, uh, it's

1146
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 1: pretty safe to assume he's not looking to replace his

1147
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 1: left tackle. Yeah, and Mike appreciate the phone goal, Thanks

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01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 1: so much for weighing in. You know, here's the other

1149
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 1: thing when people throw out free agent targets and they say,

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Speaker 1: you know, the team should go out and grab the guy.

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01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 1: It's a two way stream, Paul, right, you don't just

1152
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 1: want to be and that seems to be lost. And

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01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 1: I'm not just talking about the Giants. I'm talking about

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01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 1: any team, any fan who says, yeah, our team should

1155
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 1: go out and grab this guy. Okay, So even if

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01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 1: you do aggressively pursue the player, who's to say that

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01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 1: the player is happy with what the team is selling him.

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01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 1: So in Penn's case, and we're not necessarily privd any

1159
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 1: conversation that may or may not have taken place between

1160
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 1: both of those parties. But if you clearly are the

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01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 1: Giants right now, Nate Solder's your left tackle, there's nothing

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01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 1: to lead us to believe, Paul that Nate soldiers moving

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01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 1: from left. So you're clearly going into a conversation trying

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01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 1: to sell a left tackle to come to your team

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01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 1: and play the right. The player doesn't want to play right.

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01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 1: To me, the conversation ends right there. Russell o'coon was

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01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 1: the same way a few years ago, and and there

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01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 1: are plenty of tackles out there that have the versatility

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01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 1: to go back and forth, left side, right side, but

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01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 1: they may not be anxious to take immediately an opportunity

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01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 1: that's only going to offer them the right side. I'm

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01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 1: gonna make it simple to back up your point. I

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01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 1: know many names over the last several years that the

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01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 1: Giants pursued in free agency and they said, hey, we'd

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01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 1: like to have you blah blah blah blah. These are

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01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 1: the general terms we would like to talk about, and

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01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, the player decided he didn't want to

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Speaker 1: sign the contract here and signed it somewhere else. Those

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Speaker 1: names shall remain private because, quite frankly, it's not necessary

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01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 1: that they come out. But I can tell you that

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01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 1: happens with every team in the league. And just because

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01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 1: you don't hear about it doesn't mean the team didn't

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01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:50,960
Speaker 1: go out and try to sign some of these guys,

1184
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 1: but the player decided he didn't want to. Oh, it happens, folks,

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01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 1: It happens, you know, it just happens. Now, I'm with you.

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01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 1: That's why I think. You know, it's always nice to

1187
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 1: throw out names, But the team could love a player,

1188
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 1: the player not may love the fit. That's all. It's

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01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 1: just important, no doubt both ways, No doubt when it

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Speaker 1: comes to that conversation. Well, that is gonna wrap things

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Speaker 1: up for us. On Thursday's edition, a Big Blue Kickoff Live.

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Speaker 1: down the Ohio State class, so stay tuned for that

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Speaker 1: and will also continue to feel your phone calls about

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Speaker 1: the latest and free agency, the draft and so forth.

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