WEBVTT - Listener Mail: Black Hole Dream 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:04.840 My welcome Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:13.440 I Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, are you welcome 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:15.360 to Stuff to blow your Mind? My name is Robert 0:00:15.400 --> 0:00:18.480 Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick, and we're bringing you some 0:00:18.520 --> 0:00:21.160 listener mail today. Now, we just did an episode of 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:25.040 Halloween related listener mail stuff for our October episodes on 0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:27.760 All Things Monstrous. But there was a ton of great 0:00:27.840 --> 0:00:29.840 listener mail that I would say fell in the crack 0:00:29.920 --> 0:00:32.839 maybe between the coffin and the hard place, got wedged 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:35.200 in there, and it's it's too good to pass by. 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:37.879 So we're bringing you a second helping Uh. This is 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:39.479 gonna be listener mail. A lot of it I think 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:43.120 was from September, some from more recently. Uh, So we 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:45.400 hope you enjoy. That's right. There's a lot of great 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:47.720 stuff in here, and we we wanted to do right. 0:00:47.760 --> 0:00:49.880 We wanted to pay off our debts here listener mail 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:53.320 related before we move on into some more exciting content 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:56.360 that will take us through the holidays and ultimately uh 0:00:56.680 --> 0:00:59.560 into a new decade. And as always, Carnie, our mail 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:03.720 bodies here to help us. I was telling Carney about 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:08.039 my own uh philosophy regarding the holidays moving forward, and 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:10.400 then I'm going to lean into the holidays and then 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:14.039 embrace the holidays. Uh and and so Carney's doing the 0:01:14.040 --> 0:01:18.680 same thing. He's cooking NonStop though. He is researching recipes 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:21.680 for Thanksgiving dishes, and he is attempting to replicate food 0:01:21.680 --> 0:01:26.840 that humans can safely eat. He just presented me a 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:29.960 dish of delicious braized pop tarts that I can't wait 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:32.920 to tuck into. It is technically food. You cannot deny it, 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:40.520 all right? Should we look at this first piece of mail. 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:43.640 This comes from our listener, Jordan's regarding the interview you 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:47.360 did with Mark Mandica about, among many things, copper heads, 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:50.680 snapping turtles and all that. That's right, you were traveling, 0:01:51.000 --> 0:01:53.760 so I had Mark come into the studio when we chatted, 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:56.360 and yeah, this is what Jordan had to say. Quote. 0:01:56.520 --> 0:01:59.160 I was recently listening to your September interview with Mark 0:01:59.200 --> 0:02:02.720 Mandinka on a more conservation and vilified reptiles, and thought 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:05.120 I would share my personal experience being bitten by a 0:02:05.120 --> 0:02:08.840 copper head snake. This being said, I've always loved snakes 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:11.160 and the experience has not left me with any hatred 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:13.760 of the reptiles or species themselves. It's very big of 0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:16.120 you Jordan's Five years ago, I was bitten on the 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:19.040 foot by a baby copper head snake in North Carolina. 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:21.440 As you may know, baby venom of snakes are often 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:24.880 considered more dangerous due to their lack of venom output control. 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:27.560 I wasn't aware of the snake's presence at the time, 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:30.200 and the bite marks were discovered by the e R, 0:02:30.520 --> 0:02:33.200 but the pain felt similar to that of an insect sting. 0:02:33.720 --> 0:02:37.160 Following the bite itself, my vision nearly immediately went yellow 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:40.800 as I temporarily lost the ability to see other colors. 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:43.960 About ten seconds after, my muscles collapsed to the forest 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:46.920 floor and UH and I had to drag myself out 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:49.760 of the woods to a nearby park bench as I 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:52.920 was too weak to stand. I didn't end up meeting 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:55.519 anti venom, but I was connected to three I V 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:58.600 machines and kept in the hospital overnight as my foot 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:01.880 was extremely swollen and blue and color. I was confined 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:04.920 to a wheelchair and crutches for multiple months after with 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:08.560 my swollen foot, so I definitely felt side effects of 0:03:08.639 --> 0:03:11.040 the copper head venoms, mild or not in comparison to 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:14.839 other venoms. I would not wish to relieve the experience, 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:17.480 although it is a much better story than any encounter 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:20.880 I've had with a scud. I love stuff to blow 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:23.480 your mind and invention, and I hope you enjoyed hearing 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:26.160 what happened to someone that was actually bitten by a 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:28.959 copper head snake. That's a great story, Jordan. I don't 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:31.919 know if i'd ever heard about the vision going yellow before. 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:35.760 That's a very interesting effect. Right. Likewise, I either didn't 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:39.400 know or had forgotten about the young snakes and venom control. 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:41.880 I've been am output control. That's that's interesting as well. 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:44.000 And yeah, it's just nice to have a firsthand account 0:03:44.280 --> 0:03:47.080 of the power of a snake's venom. I I have 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:50.000 never been bitten by a snake, so I can't I 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:53.200 can't relate. I've been stung by wasps. But that's that's 0:03:53.240 --> 0:04:00.120 it all right. Next, we've got a couple of email is, 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:03.520 going way back to our episodes about fat bergs. Of course, 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:06.840 the the dragons, the soap dragons that grow in our 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:10.080 sewers when we flush wet wipes like we shouldn't don't 0:04:10.120 --> 0:04:13.360 wash oil and grease down. The saying don't flush wet wipes, folks. 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:16.719 And this comes from an anonymous listener, one who wished 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:20.400 to remain anonymous. Uh. They say, Hi, Robert and Joe 0:04:20.440 --> 0:04:22.479 and good stuff to blow your mind people. So I 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:25.039 guess that that concerns you too, Seth. First off, you 0:04:25.040 --> 0:04:29.160 guys are truly of the finest podcasters, communicators, progressive thinkers, 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:32.440 bastions of curiosity that I've encountered in podcast land. Thank 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:35.039 you sincerely for your podcast and other endeavors. Well, you're 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:38.240 far too kind. Uh. Now I present to you a 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:41.960 real life Fatburg superhero. We were asking about this in 0:04:41.960 --> 0:04:44.840 our Fatberg episodes. I think the idea we came up 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:48.400 with though, was Fatberg cop right, But the the listener 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:52.680 here says it is the now retired Grease Avenger from 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:56.240 the City of Los Angeles Bureau of Sanitation. The Grease 0:04:56.279 --> 0:05:00.760 Avenger was created by someone named Adol hudgikal Deal to 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:05.440 promote awareness of the problems resulting in sewers from fo 0:05:05.600 --> 0:05:09.440 g or fog Fat's Oil and Greece. This at the time, 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:12.960 division manager would dress up in his supersuit and appear 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:16.600 at functions to promote the messaging. Now that Mr Hadjikhalil 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:19.360 has progressed in his career to manage a different bureau. 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:22.640 The grease a Injur has been retired, and almost all 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:25.200 links to the story and images have been plucked from 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:28.760 the web. A little nugget of fatburg gold remains, however, 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:32.120 see the screenshot and link below. This is the only 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:35.640 remaining image I could find of Mr Hadjikhalil in his supersuit. 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:40.120 The story unfolds below in this obscure University of Houston publication. 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:42.840 You'll see why when you read the story. Although his 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:46.680 superhero days are likely entirely behind him, Atol remains a 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:49.840 much beloved and an effective visionary leader and is now 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:52.600 General manager of the City of Los Angeles Bureau of 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:56.719 Street Services. Althose, sewers and subterranean systems rarely hold the 0:05:56.720 --> 0:06:00.480 attention of the public. Those of us who design and construct, maintain, 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:03.640 and operate this infrastructure know that we keep the Pooh 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:07.240 Beast at bay. All. All you need to remember, my friends, 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:09.839 is that the sun shall rise tomorrow, thanks in part 0:06:10.040 --> 0:06:13.000 to people like adle hogical Eel. I'm so glad we've 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:15.680 come back to this this this particular email, because I 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:18.719 was delighted that there was a real life fat bird 0:06:18.800 --> 0:06:21.640 cop but can you believe it? There's more. In my 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:25.080 early days as a newly minted civil engineer in British Columbia, 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:28.400 I needed to install flow gauges in the sewers of 0:06:28.400 --> 0:06:33.080 a remote coastal community. Accurately gauging sewer flows is not trivial. 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:36.120 It's fraught with all the perils you can imagine, plus 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:40.560 complications that can arise from hydraulics and dynamic conditions. Anyway, 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:43.640 to install the most accurate type of flow gauge, which 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:45.920 is a metal band with a sensor at the bottom 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:49.039 of it, one must physically install the band inside the 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:52.039 sewer pipe. You must go down a man hole or 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:55.040 maintenance hole to use the more inclusive term, and reach 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:58.760 into the sewer pipe by hand, often while it's flowing, 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:02.560 and install all We popped a maintenance hole cover to 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:05.640 begin installation, only to find that the walls and everything 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:08.839 inside were coated in an inch or so thick layer 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:12.640 of white, softish greasy goo. The diet of this remote 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:16.920 community you see features a delicacy Ulican grease. UH for 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:20.720 the referenced website quote. Beginning around the end of February, 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:24.520 they started to fish vast quantities of ulican, a small 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:28.160 and very oily member of the smelt family. Ulican was 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:31.520 not usually eaten as a fish meat. The vast majority 0:07:31.560 --> 0:07:34.000 of the catch was rendered for its edible grease, which 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:37.000 could be stored for many months. They boiled the ulican 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:39.560 uh and that's o O l I c h A 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:42.800 n if I'm pronouncing that wrong in large cedar bent 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:45.840 boxes until the grease separated in rows to the top. 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:48.600 They then skimmed the grease and poured it into other 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:52.000 boxes to store for trade with other tribes or eating 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:55.040 throughout the year. The grease is prominent in all aspects 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:57.400 of life in the local indigenous culture, so it was 0:07:57.440 --> 0:07:59.920 not surprising to see it represented with such gusto in 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:03.800 the sewers, which quite literally linked the entire community. We 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:06.560 couldn't safely climb inside with all that grease, so we 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:10.520 got fire hoses and nozzles and other various implementia to 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:13.160 clean out the manholes and pipes sufficiently to let us 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:16.160 do our work. Not wanting to ruin our boots and clothing, 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:19.440 and generally stay as poo free as possible, we donned 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:22.400 rain gear, heavy gloves, and bags that we duck tape 0:08:22.440 --> 0:08:26.440 liberally to you. Guessed it a supersuit. The only record 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:29.440 that remains is a coffee mug that my workmates at 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:32.319 the time had made for me from a project photo 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:35.160 that my colleague took see attached. I never thought this 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:37.840 photo might one day be relevant or sharable in any way. 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:43.120 I present my elevated persona sewerman. Remember flush not thine 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:46.600 wipes of wetness for nothing good. Therefrom shall come. Wow 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:49.160 that that was. That was a great listening email. It 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:52.840 just got better and better. Yeah, it had everything. It 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:55.200 had a real it had a Fatburg cop from the 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:57.959 real world. It had a battle with a unique type 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:00.240 of sewer grease. I mean this is great. Learned a 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:02.920 little bit about other cultures. Yeah, it's pretty great all 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:05.760 in all. And it's not the only bit of fat 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:08.120 Berg listener mail that we have to read for you. 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:15.679 This next one comes to us from Maurice, titled fat 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:19.480 Bergs from outer Space. They write, I'm a longtime fan 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:21.200 of stuff to blow your mind and listen to the 0:09:21.200 --> 0:09:23.680 show not just to learn about weird and noteworthy things, 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:26.480 but also to gain inspiration for my own creative efforts. 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:29.400 I write horror, science fiction, and fantasy stories, but I 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:32.680 also write my own modules for the RPG games I run. 0:09:33.280 --> 0:09:37.120 After listening to the recent Fatberg episode, I became disgustingly 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:40.480 fascinated and knew I had to design a gross stout 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:44.400 module for my star Finder game, a science fantasy game 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:47.760 by Pazzo. I believe it is so this is the 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:50.880 company that makes Pathfinder. It's my understanding that star Finders 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:54.240 like the sci Fi UM, the sc the sci Fi 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:57.800 B sub brand or or you know, parallel brand to 0:09:57.960 --> 0:10:00.480 cat Finder. I don't know a thing about it. Pathfinder 0:10:00.559 --> 0:10:04.079 more traditional like dn D style UM, and there's more 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:06.040 complicated history there as well. But anyway, that's what they're 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:09.240 talking about here anyway, talking about setting this up as 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:11.720 a side mission quote. The setup is on a space 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:14.440 station which uses magic to run much of its life 0:10:14.440 --> 0:10:18.079 support in conjunction with more science based methods. A fat 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:20.840 Berg has been generated on board in the water system 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:24.720 bordering too close to the magical subsystems and has gained 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:27.320 a kind of sentience, and the players have to find 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:29.440 a way to defeat it and its minions before it 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:32.640 threatens the station. On the whole, our quest against the 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:36.040 fat burg starts tonight. I really can't thank you enough 0:10:36.080 --> 0:10:39.160 for this thoroughly nauseating but immensely interesting topic. As a 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:41.760 thank you, I've included a few staff blocks for this module, 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:45.640 which I have custom created and included here, complete with 0:10:45.679 --> 0:10:49.000 ecology and tactical notes. Sorry for the formatting. I use 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:51.400 several platforms to create content, and sometimes I have to 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:55.960 use lower quality JPEGs for output. Keep the great content coming, Maurice. Now, 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:59.559 I don't know anything about stat sheets or designing monsters 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:02.080 about Robert if if you have any thoughts, Oh, no, 0:11:02.160 --> 0:11:04.080 it look pretty good, you know me. I can't resist 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:07.480 looking at a stats for monsters and yeah, this this 0:11:07.520 --> 0:11:10.960 looks like a really fun, uh fun encounter. I also 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:13.480 like the idea of the magic and the science being 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:16.680 mingled together on the spaceship. I don't think I've encountered 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:18.480 that before, but it makes sense. Right, if you're gonna 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:22.280 power starship, you don't want to depend exclusively on magic. 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:25.520 You need to have at least a science back up 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:28.400 in place, right. I would guess that magic is more 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:31.040 fickle and fleeting and finnicky, and and you've got to 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:34.480 have something a reliable generator running in the background. Right, 0:11:34.559 --> 0:11:36.640 and then you know, science can only do so much. 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:40.240 Something's got to make the artificial gravity work, so might 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:42.360 as well turned to pure magic for that. All Right, 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:44.240 we're gonna take a quick break, but we'll be right 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:50.160 back with more than thank Alright, we're back, alright. So 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:53.800 we did an episode a while back about school dreams, 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:57.360 the dreams where people are returned to high school or college. Uh. 0:11:57.400 --> 0:12:00.920 And we we addressed why these dreams are so common, 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:04.120 why they so often invoke anxiety, why they're so common 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:06.440 in people who have been out of school for many years. 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:09.760 And quite a few listeners got in touch about these. 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:11.280 I would say this is this is one of the 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:14.440 most email generating episodes we've done in a while. Yeah, 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:16.280 and and certainly we're not going to read them all 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:17.920 on the show, but I will say that just the 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:22.400 sheer volume of emails did speak to the near universal 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:25.520 aspects of this sort of dream. Though. A couple of 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:28.280 people let us know that they didn't have school dreams, uh. 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:32.000 They usually had some kind of equivalent that was based 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:34.280 on some other part of their lives. A lot of 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:37.960 people got in touch answering Robert's question about whether people 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:41.280 who were in the military had military dreams uh, and 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:43.200 and quite a few people did you know they would 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:46.760 have dreams of uh, you know, uh not being able 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:49.040 to like get their uniform right, or not being able 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:51.120 to figure out where they're supposed to go, and things 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:57.520 like that. So to read a couple of the ones 0:12:57.559 --> 0:12:59.839 we got in response to the school dreams episode. This 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:03.959 first one comes from Brendon. Brendan says, Hey, guys, I'm 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:06.160 an avid listener of the show and often feel compelled 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:08.679 to write in, but by the time I'm around my computer, 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:10.720 the desire has been absorbed by the day to day 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:13.360 duties of my life. However, this time I happened to 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:15.120 be in front of my computer as I finished one 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:18.720 of your recent episodes on school dreams. I cannot recall 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:21.400 ever having dreams of either high school or college, though 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:24.840 I attended both. However, I went to community college later 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:28.079 in my twenties and placed little personal value on my 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:31.640 high school experience. I went directly into the workforce from 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:34.960 high school, waiting tables and later tending bar I do 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:38.560 somewhat regularly have dreams of showing up late for shifts 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:41.760 and not wearing clothes in the restaurant, etcetera. In spite 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:44.160 of having transitioned out of this type of work some 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:46.960 years ago, I'm now an arborist. I have a hard 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:50.320 time imagining two more divergent careers. I think it was 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:53.720 Joe who questioned why school would be the metaphor brain 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:57.400 might select for dealing with present personal problems. Remember this 0:13:57.440 --> 0:14:00.280 is following up from a number of people coming enting 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:03.040 on this phenomenon who said that they thought that school 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:06.600 dreams were really about whatever present challenges people were facing, 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:09.920 and that maybe the brain just selected school as a 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:13.160 kind of template or metaphor for working out those problems 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:17.000 in the dream. Brendan continues, I think that the reminiscence 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:20.080 bump provides a possible answer, couched in one of the 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:22.800 other statements you made that the period of life in 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:26.760 which your so called teenage brain is making vivid memories 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:30.160 that help one to identify with self, you're also creating 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:34.720 an extremely personalized metaphor that could be adaptable in motivating 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:37.600 action when one is faced with a problem that has 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:41.280 no clear solution by providing a feeling of reconnection to 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:44.800 the basic self loss to time, similar to how people 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:49.840 have used tarot astrology and other randomly accessed organized stimuli 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:53.120 to give their life direction. School just happens to be 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:56.280 a near universal experience for people of that age in 0:14:56.360 --> 0:15:00.480 modern culture, and often referred to as where we quote 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:02.960 figure out who we are. I think I would be 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:06.360 most interested in hearing data and accounts of hunter gatherer, 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:10.680 early pastoral, or other non industrial cultures and their school 0:15:10.760 --> 0:15:14.520 dream equivalence. Anyways, I hope this wasn't too long winded 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:16.640 and helps shed some light on the experience of those 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:19.600 who didn't attend college at that formative period of life. 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:23.800 Thank you also for indulging my armchair philosophical hypothesis. I 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:25.680 love the show and the sounds of your voices. Have 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:27.720 a great day, and I look forward to hearing your 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:30.320 next topic. Well thanks a lot, Brendan. Yeah, that was 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:32.920 There was some interesting inside into the topic, for sure, 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:35.520 I totally echo. I mean, if you're like a dream 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:39.200 researcher out there, I would like to see if people 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:42.160 who don't really have anything equivalent to like the standard, 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:45.680 you know, United States kind of school experience, if people 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:50.920 in in hunter gatherer societies or something report different patterns 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:54.440 of dreams that are in any way analogous to school dreams. Yeah, 0:15:54.520 --> 0:16:00.840 that would that would be something interesting to cover. All right, 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:04.480 here's another dream email. This one comes to us from Sammy. Hey, guys, 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:07.400 just started listening to the episode called school Dreams, and wow, 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:10.280 did I relate to this. One of my only nightmares 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:12.800 is forgetting I had a class and realizing it at 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:15.440 the end of the semester. I know this isn't school related, 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:18.000 but my most common nightmare is actually being a waitress 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:20.040 and forgetting one of my tables. I was a waitress 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:22.920 about seven years ago for two years. Those have to 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:25.320 be related, right, I'd be curious to know if you 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:29.040 guys have these kinds of dreams about your jobs. All 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:32.480 the best, Sammy PS from follow up email. Sorry, I 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:34.720 kept listening and realized I should give you some, uh 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:37.680 some contexts on my education. I went straight from high 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:41.280 school to university for an engineering degree, where during my 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:43.720 second and third year I was a waitress. All of 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:48.080 my school nightmares were forgetting university classes, but not high school. Honestly, 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:50.720 I think this is probably because up until university I 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:54.440 had no difficulty in school, but engineering was quite hard. Thanks. Well, 0:16:54.520 --> 0:16:58.720 let's see. Um. Well, that first question about dreams about 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:03.840 jobs and job stress. I I used to so I 0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:07.480 worked in newspapers for a while before I ended up 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:10.959 working for How Stuff Works and getting into podcasting and 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:14.359 so forth, and I would do uh, I would increasingly 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:17.760 just do pagination, so like laying out pages of the 0:17:17.800 --> 0:17:22.560 newspaper in a program like end Design, the Curning Master. Yeah, yeah, 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:25.080 all that fun stuff I mean, And it was it was, 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:28.040 it was fun. I enjoyed it, but it was also 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:31.560 it was also stressful because you had to get everything 0:17:31.960 --> 0:17:34.399 to a to a fine point or as fine a 0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:38.119 point as possible, having to edit the content, edit the headlines, 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:40.600 and then it goes to the press, and then that's it, 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:43.880 you know, and and you just hope that you got everything. 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:48.240 And so I would for years after I had left 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:50.679 that that job and that profession, I would still have 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:54.800 dreams in which I was concerned about the layout of 0:17:54.840 --> 0:17:57.879 the front page of the newspaper. And then somehow the 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:00.879 bed that I was sleeping in was the front page 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:04.800 of the newspaper, and the pillows were different modules on 0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:07.800 the front page, like you know, a headline or a 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:11.359 text box or an image box or a caption or 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:14.680 an illustration piece. And I had to be careful not 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:17.360 to move because I physically moved my body, I might 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:20.359 disrupt the various elements of the front page of the 0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:26.040 newspaper that's really interesting, Uh finally went away, thankfully. I also, 0:18:26.119 --> 0:18:28.119 I have school dreams a lot, but I also have 0:18:28.240 --> 0:18:31.600 job dreams all the time. Uh, and they I've had 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:35.000 job dreams about like when I was where you know, 0:18:35.040 --> 0:18:38.280 I've worked in restaurants and grocery stores and stuff. I 0:18:38.320 --> 0:18:41.880 had server dreams, like lots of stuff about, like forgetting 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:44.560 about tables and stuff. It's actually somewhat equivalent to the 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:47.399 school dreams, like a big table that I forgot I 0:18:47.440 --> 0:18:49.359 had and I had been neglecting them all night and 0:18:49.400 --> 0:18:51.840 now they're mad, and that kind of thing. I'd have 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:55.359 dreams about, uh, you know, like losing track of of 0:18:55.800 --> 0:19:01.000 dairy products. When I worked in a grocery store, I was, Uh, 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:03.040 one of the main things I had to do is 0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:05.439 like keep stock of the dairy aisle and move stuff 0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:07.760 up from the cooler in the back out to the 0:19:07.760 --> 0:19:10.520 shelves and stuff like that, and so it involved a 0:19:10.560 --> 0:19:14.080 lot of management of inventory by date. And so I'd 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:16.359 have dreams where like I couldn't read the dates and 0:19:16.359 --> 0:19:20.800 couldn't understand Uh, you know what needed to be out there, 0:19:20.840 --> 0:19:23.920 and then I'd lose things, and you know, everything always 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:27.280 had to be kept cold. So anyway, that's probably very boring. Sorry, 0:19:27.359 --> 0:19:29.800 but this is interesting too because this touches on something 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:33.199 that we i think discussed recently on the show, and 0:19:33.240 --> 0:19:36.919 that's the reading in dreams. Yeah. So, and you were 0:19:36.960 --> 0:19:38.760 having the experience where you're just having a lot of 0:19:38.800 --> 0:19:41.560 trouble reading these numbers, but not to the point where 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:43.400 you're like, oh, I must be in a dream because 0:19:43.400 --> 0:19:45.119 I can't read. I don't think the problem was that 0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:47.680 I couldn't read. It's more like there's a lot of 0:19:47.720 --> 0:19:51.200 the dream had to remember not being able to keep 0:19:51.200 --> 0:19:54.600 track of information. Okay, well, that that also lines up 0:19:54.640 --> 0:19:57.440 with it right there, Like the analytical brain is not 0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:01.000 fully engaged enough to to to really keep track of 0:20:01.000 --> 0:20:03.320 things or to question the authenticity. Yeah, I think a 0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:06.480 working memory and critical reasoning or somewhat limited in the 0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:09.560 dream world. But also I have tons of of anxiety 0:20:09.600 --> 0:20:12.399 dreams about like the kind of job I have now. Again, 0:20:12.440 --> 0:20:14.360 not very hard to figure out what they might be. 0:20:14.440 --> 0:20:19.439 It's like I dream that I released a podcast on 0:20:19.480 --> 0:20:22.240 a subject, only to find out after we already published 0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:26.040 it that everything I said was grossly inaccurate and uh, 0:20:26.040 --> 0:20:27.679 and people are like, how could you get all this 0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:31.040 stuff wrong? And I'm like, oh no, And yeah, it's 0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:33.440 weird because I have those same as some of those 0:20:33.440 --> 0:20:35.840 same waking anxieties, you know, and I have some of 0:20:35.880 --> 0:20:38.560 the same job stresses that you do, because we pretty 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:41.159 pretty much have the same job. Yet I never have 0:20:41.280 --> 0:20:43.840 dreams about them. I never do. I instead, I have 0:20:43.920 --> 0:20:47.120 the school dream. That's funny. Well, I I will say 0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:49.639 I have the school dream way more than I have 0:20:50.080 --> 0:20:53.040 job dreams, like, way more than I have dreams about 0:20:53.040 --> 0:20:54.960 the current job I have. I think. The way I 0:20:55.080 --> 0:20:57.560 put it is, I have had job dreams like that. 0:20:57.680 --> 0:21:00.480 I still have the school dream on a regular basis. 0:21:00.520 --> 0:21:02.840 I see, yeah, yeah, that that that lines up with 0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:05.560 with me. Like I had the job dreams for a while. Uh. 0:21:05.600 --> 0:21:08.239 They they outlasted the job and then they went away. Right. 0:21:08.280 --> 0:21:10.920 So I want to read one, maybe two of the 0:21:11.040 --> 0:21:15.560 emails concerning you know, the school dreams about the military 0:21:15.640 --> 0:21:21.760 or from people who served in the military. Uh. This 0:21:21.800 --> 0:21:25.040