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Speaker 1: My welcome Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of

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Speaker 1: I Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, are you welcome

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Speaker 1: to Stuff to blow your Mind? My name is Robert

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Speaker 1: Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick, and we're bringing you some

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Speaker 1: listener mail today. Now, we just did an episode of

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Speaker 1: All Things Monstrous. But there was a ton of great

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Speaker 1: So we're bringing you a second helping Uh. This is

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Speaker 1: gonna be listener mail. A lot of it I think

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Speaker 1: We wanted to pay off our debts here listener mail

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Speaker 1: same thing. He's cooking NonStop though. He is researching recipes

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Speaker 1: This comes from our listener, Jordan's regarding the interview you

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Speaker 1: did with Mark Mandica about, among many things, copper heads,

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Speaker 1: I was recently listening to your September interview with Mark

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Speaker 1: This next one comes to us from Maurice, titled fat

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Speaker 1: for this thoroughly nauseating but immensely interesting topic. As a

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Speaker 1: use lower quality JPEGs for output. Keep the great content coming, Maurice. Now,

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Speaker 1: school that lines up with a lot of I think

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Speaker 1: a lot of what people have said, you know, where

430
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 1: it's definitely that post high school period of life, that

431
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,639
Speaker 1: that that dictates the dream content. Well, yeah, that that

432
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 1: seems like one of the main variants, like either it's

433
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:02,359
Speaker 1: mostly college or mostly high school or whatever else you

434
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,120
Speaker 1: were doing at that time, or some other some other

435
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 1: thing the other part of the life that people view. Especially,

436
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:10,639
Speaker 1: we did hear from a lot of people saying it

437
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,919
Speaker 1: was like these self defining years that really seemed to

438
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 1: uh to form their persistent like frustration and anxiety or

439
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,880
Speaker 1: problem solving dreams. We asked specifically at one point about homeschooling.

440
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:23,879
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, we heard from several people who were

441
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,120
Speaker 1: homeschooled who did have related dreams. Right, But here's one

442
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,919
Speaker 1: from Heather who also served in the military, So we

443
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:36,199
Speaker 1: getted like a double in this one. Heather rights, I

444
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 1: have had dreams about elementary school mostly, and I am

445
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 1: usually late or still in pj's and everyone is mocking me.

446
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,640
Speaker 1: I was homeschooled in middle school, and I never dream

447
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 1: about that. I never dream of public high school or

448
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 1: college either. I was also in the military, and while

449
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 1: I was in I did have dreams about bad things

450
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 1: happening to me in the military, like showing up for

451
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 1: a formation naked and somehow not noticing until I got there,

452
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 1: and getting in trouble from make mistakes. While I was

453
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 1: in I RACK, I dreamed so convincingly that I was

454
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,680
Speaker 1: in Germany that I still thought I was in Germany

455
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 1: when I woke up. It took me and my best

456
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 1: friend a couple of minutes to get back to reality

457
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 1: and realized that we were in fact in a crappy

458
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 1: metal box trailer in the desert for another twelve months

459
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 1: talk about a freight train of disappointment. I don't really

460
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 1: dream about any of that stuff in my thirties, though, Heather,

461
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,919
Speaker 1: So extinction of the dream obsession now and elementary school

462
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 1: stress streams instead. Weird. Sorry, I didn't mean to call

463
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 1: you weird, Heather, I just mean the variety is interesting now.

464
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 1: On the pajamas an elementary school. I do. I have

465
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Speaker 1: an elementary like age memory. This wasn't going to school,

466
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Speaker 1: but I instead of putting my taking my pajama pants

467
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Speaker 1: off and putting pants on over them, I just put

468
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 1: my blue jeans over my pajama pants and went on

469
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Speaker 1: with my day. And then later discovered when I went

470
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Speaker 1: to the restroom that I still had my pajamas one

471
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,360
Speaker 1: under my clothes. And that was That was a real

472
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,199
Speaker 1: life occurrence. That kind of nice slee mimics like the

473
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 1: fears we have regarding um, you know, the kind of

474
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 1: stress dreams that we have where we're like, you know,

475
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 1: wearing our pajamas to school, wearing them out in the day.

476
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: Uh wait, were there any bad consequences to that? Well?

477
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,159
Speaker 1: And then luckily not. But it's kind of, you know,

478
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,639
Speaker 1: it's like the adult version of realizing that you just

479
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: drove for four hours uh there in back home and

480
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 1: didn't have your driver's license. You're like, oh my goodness,

481
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 1: like that nothing went wrong, But what if it did?

482
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: What if someone had noticed that I was wearing my

483
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 1: pajamas all day underneath my pants, as if this was

484
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 1: just what I did. That's a good comparison, all right,

485
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna call the school dreams. They're sorry

486
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 1: to the many many of you who also got in

487
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 1: touch with us with your great emails, we really appreciate them.

488
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: But we gotta go on to to get some feedback

489
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: about other episodes. That's right. We can't just talk about dreams.

490
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,640
Speaker 1: We also have to talk about black holes, that's right.

491
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: So regarding our episodes about Sagittarius a Star, the supermassive

492
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 1: black hole at the center of the Milky Way galaxy,

493
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 1: first of all, several listeners got in touch to ask

494
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 1: us about the source the opening monologue in that episode.

495
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 1: I guess we didn't make it clear. They were asking

496
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 1: if it was coming from a book or something. Uh, No,

497
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: that was just us. It was just original to the show. Yeah.

498
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 1: If if we were not sourcing it or citing it,

499
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 1: then it's probably just something we made at well, yes,

500
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,400
Speaker 1: that is generally the rule. We may have forgotten, forgotten,

501
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 1: unintentional if Yeah, but yeah, since you asked, Uh yeah,

502
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: that's just us. Oh so uh. This first email comes

503
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 1: from Chase Chase Rights. Hey, guys, I love your show.

504
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: After listening to your series about Sagittarius a Star, I

505
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 1: thought of a way for me to conceptualize the astronomically

506
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 1: large masses stated for black holes, and I wanted to

507
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: share it with you. I thought this was pretty interesting.

508
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 1: Chase says, the black hole at the center of our

509
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 1: Milky Way galaxy, Sagittarius A star weighs in at two

510
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 1: point six million solar masses. That's big, too big really

511
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 1: for us humans to fully comprehend. I agree, So I

512
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 1: did some math. If you think of the Sun's mass

513
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: as one second, Earth's mass is three micro seconds, and

514
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 1: Sagittarius A stars would be thirty days and two hours,

515
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: that that that does really hammered. But as we talked

516
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: about in the episode, as huge as Sagittarius A stories

517
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 1: from our perspective, the supermassive black holes at the center

518
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: of other galaxies get much much bigger. The quays are

519
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: Ton six eighteen is one of the brightest objects in

520
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 1: the known universe, so bright that the galaxy spinning around

521
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: it is not visible from Earth because the quasar itself

522
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 1: outshines it. The ultramassive black hole at the center of

523
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 1: Ton six eighteen is the largest currently known. It is

524
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,959
Speaker 1: estimated awagh sixty six billion solar masses, and then by

525
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: the same reckoning as earlier. Where the Sun's mass was

526
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 1: one second, Earth's masses three micro seconds. This would be

527
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: two thousand, ninety seven years one hundred and seventy five

528
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 1: days if our sun is one second. That's really good.

529
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Speaker 1: I was hesitant when started reading this email because I'm like,

530
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 1: I'm not sure they're gonna pull this off. They're actually

531
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 1: gonna take these big numbers and put them in a

532
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 1: you know, use some sort of metaphor or or transference

533
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 1: that would that would really work. And this did. This

534
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 1: totally did time within historical records. I think is a

535
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 1: pretty good way for people to try to conceptualize big

536
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: number analogies. All right, here's another one concerning black holes.

537
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,479
Speaker 1: This one comes to us from Mike. Mike says, hi, guys,

538
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 1: just finished episode two on the supermassive black Holes. Good stuff.

539
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:37,199
Speaker 1: In episode one, you briefly mentioned musical references to black holes,

540
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: but you missed one. I believe I've heard you mentioned

541
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: the Canadian band Rush on past episodes, so I was

542
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: surprised you missed mentioning their song dedicated to the first

543
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: black hole to be experimentally discovered, Sickness x one. Smiley face.

544
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 1: Smiley face is not part of the black Hole's name,

545
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 1: though that would be amusing if it were. No, it's

546
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: just sickness x one. Looking forward to hearing more about

547
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: black holes on a future episode. Now, Mike, I can't

548
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: wait to find about the first astronomical bodies that have

549
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: emoji incorporated into their official names. Yeah, that would be interesting.

550
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: It's like we discover um like orpheus B three eggplant.

551
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it's only a matter of time.

552
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: Earthl means it's demise with the impact of the Great

553
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: Comet poop emoji. But Mike, thank you for bringing up Rush. Yes,

554
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know about you, Robert. I'm a

555
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: pretty big fan of Rush, especially I'm I'm not like

556
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: one of those deep Rush maniacs who like knows all

557
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: their catalog and all that, but Rush is one of

558
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: my favorite things to come on classic rock radio. I

559
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: always turn it up. Wait, what what? What is the

560
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: Rush song? I should know? Tom Sawyer, what's the other one?

561
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: I should know? Let's not get night cheese. But what's

562
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: the other one? Though? There's uh, there's limelight, there's closer

563
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: to the heart, there's uh, oh man, what am I forgetting.

564
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: I just don't know Rush that well. I mean, I

565
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: know I've heard them before, I've heard Tom Sawyer before,

566
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: but I feel like there there must be the one

567
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: Rush song that resonates with me. I'm not sure I'm

568
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: recognizing it offhand. His mind is not for rent to

569
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: any god or government. You don't know this? Oh that one?

570
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: I know that one. Oh that's Tom Sawyer. Yeah, yeah,

571
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,959
Speaker 1: it's that's that's fine. Oh wait, there's also a Spirit

572
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: of the Radio. That's the one that one. I think

573
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: they reference that sometimes on Mystery Science Theater three thousands.

574
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I don't think that's a that's a

575
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: riff I ever got. But I laughed at it, you know. Alright,

576
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: So any Rush fans out there, I guess I need

577
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: some Rush education. So right in and educate. Tell me

578
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: what I need to listen to. Send me a playlist.

579
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: I will, I will give it a listen. Bring him

580
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: Closer to the Heart. Speaking of coming Closer to the

581
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: Heart and following up Black Holes, we have some listener

582
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: mail concerning our episode on the One Ring, right, So

583
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Speaker 1: this first one is a sort of correction that I

584
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: take from our listener Emmett. Now This is because we

585
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: were discussing the melting point of several different materials that

586
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: were potential candidates to make a ring of power. You

587
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: want to make a ring of power? What should you

588
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: make it out of? Uh? And of course mentioning the

589
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: melting points is important because the one ring in the

590
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: Lord of the Rings can't be melted by normal heat.

591
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: It has to be I think could maybe be melted

592
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: by dragon breath I don't remember, but had to be

593
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: thrown into the fires of Mountain doom. Anyway, I mentioned graphine,

594
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: the material along with its melting point, as a possible candidate,

595
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: and Emmett got in touch to say, hey, guys and

596
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: your Wondering episode, you discuss graphing as a potential material.

597
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: If I'm not wrong, I'm pretty sure graphing will burn

598
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: long before it melts, kind of like wood. I look

599
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: this up, yes, and it is exactly correct. I think

600
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: it was rather silly of me to try to consider

601
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: the melting point of graphing. I think that'd be sort

602
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: of like considering the melting point of plywood. Um. From

603
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 1: what I can tell you know, it even burns a

604
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: relatively low temperature in the presence of oxygen. So yeah,

605
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: there is like there's fire, there's combustion there. So very

606
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: good point, Emmett, thank you for clarifying that. All Right,

607
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: we're scratching graphing off the list of the official one

608
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:17,719
Speaker 1: ring list, I guess, so alright, here's another one ring email,

609
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: and this one comes to us from Sandy Sandy Rights,

610
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: and it says, Dear Robert and Joe. First, I might

611
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: have squealed a tiny bed when I saw the title

612
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: of the episode. I love Tolkien and was so happy

613
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: for this episode. And while I have a few corrections

614
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: and notes, I mean, you hit nerd um, you know

615
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: it's it's going to happen. I want to say I

616
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: love the episode, even when people looked at me funny

617
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: on the tram when I spoke out loud in response

618
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: several times. Sorry not sorry. First, regarding whether smog could

619
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,719
Speaker 1: have destroyed the one Ring, you actually answered it earlier

620
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: in the show. To quote Gandolf, it has been said

621
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: that dragon fire could melt and consume the rings of power.

622
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: But there is not in now any dragon left on

623
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: Earth in which the old fire is hot enough, nor

624
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: was there ever any dragon, not even uh and Callaghan,

625
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: the Black who could have harmed the One Ring, the

626
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: ruling ring, for that was made by Sarin himself. She continues,

627
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: Smag could have potentially destroyed the rings of Power, the Three,

628
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: the seven, or the Nine, but he could not have

629
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: destroyed the One Ring even and Callaghan the Black could

630
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: not have destroyed the one. Oh and also, uh, Sandy

631
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: throws in that it's very possible that Christopher Tolkien could

632
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: have covered this particular item as well in his various publications. Anyway, uh,

633
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: they continue. Second, you almost failed to mention, but did

634
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: circle back to it the issue of the ring size,

635
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: But then you aired no shame. Part of the will

636
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: of the ring, or rather part of it mirroring the

637
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: will of its master, is its ability to change shape.

638
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: This allows it to change bearers when it chooses. This

639
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: is also why one of the names that the ring

640
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Speaker 1: is known by is is Sildor's Bane. Uh seek for

641
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Speaker 1: the sore that was broken in in lad risks it dwells.

642
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: There shall be Council's taken stronger than mortal spells. There

643
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,760
Speaker 1: shall be shown a token that doom is near at hand.

644
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: For is Celdor's Bain shall awaken, and the Halfling fourth

645
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: shall stand the poem from Paramir's recurring dream that bore

646
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: Amir then has once and which leads him to the

647
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: Council of l Run in Rivendale. This all makes sense

648
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: to me, because I don't know if you mentioned after

649
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: we did the episode, I was like, Okay, I gotta

650
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: go back and just wait. Yeah, I've been reading it.

651
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,720
Speaker 1: I'm in the middle of two towers right now, Sandy continues.

652
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 1: It's called that because the ring had come into Sildor's

653
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: possession after he cut it off Sorin's finger in the

654
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: War of the Last Alliance. He ignored Counsel to destroy it,

655
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: which suggests perhaps he could have in the immediate defeat

656
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: and weakening of Soron. Maybe probably not, especially if it's

657
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 1: the ring that led to the Orc ambush that resulted

658
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 1: in his death. When he and the company he was

659
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: with were ambushed by Orcs after a fierce battle, with

660
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 1: the works winning, he put it on his finger to

661
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: escape to keep the ring from falling in the wrong hands,

662
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 1: and did so until the ring slipped off his finger.

663
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: Most think that it did so intentionally, enlarging itself enough

664
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Speaker 1: to slip off his finger, and he escaped, and and

665
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: he escaped and was then killed by the orcs. This

666
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: intentional slipping off of the finger may also be how

667
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,399
Speaker 1: it moved from Gallum to Bilbo. If Gallum had worn

668
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,760
Speaker 1: the ring, it had slipped off, and he had forgotten

669
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: that he had worn it, he would expect it to

670
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: be in its hiding place. Thus, when he returned to

671
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: get it to ambush Bilbo after being bested in the

672
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: contest of Riddles, it was not there, as Bilbo had

673
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: found it and slipped it into his pocket. Right, So

674
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 1: they're saying that the ring maybe sort of like getting

675
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: bigger and smaller when it wants to stick on somebody's

676
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: finger or fall off somebody's finger in order to make

677
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: it to a new host. It's almost like a parasite

678
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: of some kind that that has like attaching and detaching

679
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: kind of properties, or like the way some paradise parasites

680
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: that are intestinal parasites will intentionally get themselves pooped out

681
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: at some point in order to pass on to the

682
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: next point in their life cycle. The ring kind of

683
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 1: works that way. But you know, Sandy is also touching

684
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: on something which I could think could be a potential

685
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 1: benefit of the ring, that we are a power of

686
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: the ring. So if you're like me and you have

687
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: a ring that is kind of loose fitting, you'll find

688
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 1: that on cold days it is more likely just to

689
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: slide off, and on hot days it is more it

690
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: can be more difficult to remove. Though. It also has

691
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 1: to do with things like have you been walking around

692
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: with your hands at your sides? Have you been drinking beer? Yeah,

693
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 1: there's all these factors that can affect the fit of

694
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: a ring. But if you have the one ring, I'm

695
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: guessing as long as it wants you, you're gonna have

696
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: a perfect fit at all times. And I think that's

697
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: amazing excellent craftsmanships are on one of a kind. All right,

698
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: Sandy continues Almost done here. An interesting part of the

699
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: ring that you did not mention was those that seem

700
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: immune to its poll or able to resist it. We

701
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 1: see both Galadriol and Gandalf refuse it, but they both

702
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 1: also bear one of the three, and that is not

703
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: to say that they were not tempted. However, we have

704
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: two mortals, neither Elf nor Maya, and not protected by

705
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,760
Speaker 1: the three. The Nine, of course, bearing no such protection

706
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: for their wares as the bears of the Nine or

707
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: the Ring raths Farremir and Sam. Sam even bears the

708
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: Ring with seemingly no temptation to do more than to

709
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 1: carry the burden for Frodo, And one must wonder how

710
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: would things have been different if if the brother, not

711
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,760
Speaker 1: tempted by the Ring had gone to Rivendale. Of course,

712
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 1: Bomba Dill could literally play with the ring and see

713
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,240
Speaker 1: through its invisibility. But Bomba Dill is probably not exactly mortal.

714
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,760
Speaker 1: And yeah, I think Bomba Dill, by by most interpretations,

715
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: is far from mortal. Kind of primal beings, a primal

716
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: deity that is no no longer really connected to the

717
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,240
Speaker 1: the affairs of I mean, he's connected in nature, I suppose,

718
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: but not to the affairs of all these mortals and

719
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 1: immortals battling for control of things. Dude, we're really tunneled

720
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: deep into Nerd Mountain here. But did we tunnel too deep?

721
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. We'll find out anyway. Sandy finishes up anyway,

722
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: I doubt this is the only way. Too long email

723
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Speaker 1: about the wonder Wonderful despite its errors episode, Thank you

724
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: very much for doing it, peace, Sandy. Wait, I'm still

725
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: not sure what exactly were the errors. I a lot

726
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: lost track in there. I think maybe we did not.

727
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: We didn't get the thing about the dragon's breath. No, well,

728
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I don't think these were

729
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: necessarily errors. Uh, but they might be literally of them. Here.

730
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: I think that more Sandy was bringing up aspects of

731
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:43,280
Speaker 1: the mythology and extended mythology that we didn't really dwell

732
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 1: on in the episode. Sandy, I I accept your wisdom.

733
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: You are the master. You are clearly the lower master.

734
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 1: You're the one who should have gone to Rivendell. We're

735
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 1: we're the fool hardy bore A mirrors who barged ahead

736
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: without having the wisdom and restraint. No, but, but no.

737
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 1: This is what I love about this topic is that

738
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: there's so much room for ultimately for interpretation when you

739
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: start trying to apply science to the scenario or really

740
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: you know, reach for the definitive answer on questions regarding

741
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: you know, the nature of the One Ring. But okay,

742
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:15,919
Speaker 1: we've made it over the bridge of Kasa Doom. We're

743
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: now out of the nerd minds of Maria and into

744
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: the daylight on the other side. And yet we have

745
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: more listener mail related to the One Ring. And this

746
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: one comes to us from Tim. Oh wait, okay, yeah,

747
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 1: so this one refers to another similar thing. So Tim Rights, Uh, hey,

748
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: stuff to blow your mind. I listen to your One

749
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: Ring episode first, I want to say, bold move. I

750
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 1: bet you've got an insane amount of listener mail for

751
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: that one. Not as much male as we got about

752
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: School Dreams, but we got some, right though. I should

753
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: also say we have an older email address that I

754
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 1: don't think works anymore. So if you're still using the

755
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,879
Speaker 1: house Stuff works addressed to reach out for us, that's

756
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 1: probably not going anywhere. I don't know. We might still

757
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 1: be getting man or might not. I don't. I don't

758
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: know what's arriving, just as we're not entirely sure about

759
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,439
Speaker 1: how the One Ring functions were. Also not entirely sure

760
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: how company email works. Uh, Tim Rights. At one point

761
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: you'all mentioned a sci fi version of Lord of the Rings.

762
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: I thought you'd be interested in C. S. Lewis's space trilogy.

763
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: Is it particularly good sci fi? No? Is it a

764
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: page turner on par with Lord of the Rings? No surrey,

765
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: But does it specifically mention locations from Lord of the Rings?

766
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: And was it made partially on a bet with Tolkien?

767
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 1: About trying to write sci fi. Yes, allegedly, both Tolkien

768
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: and Lewis wanted to write science fiction because their contemporaries

769
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: were writing atheistic science fiction. Both authors produced something. Lewis

770
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: wrote the Space Space Trilogy and included themes from Tolkien.

771
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 1: Tolkien wrote a strange unfinished story that is marginally about

772
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: l Ron time traveler. You can read this oddity in

773
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 1: one of the History of Middle Earth books I forget which.

774
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 1: I don't suggest any of these works as good reads,

775
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: but they're really neat when viewed in the context of

776
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: both Tolkien and Lewis, and especially the theoretical combined Tolkien

777
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: slush Lewis Legendarium. Anyways, great content. I couldn't ask for

778
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: a better podcast to play in the background while I work.

779
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 1: Thank you, sincerely, Tim. Yeah, I I read the Space

780
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 1: Trilogy years and years back, like maybe it was even

781
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 1: high school when I read, Yeah, I was. I think

782
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: it was maybe high school when I read it initially,

783
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: and then I reread I think Paralandra the second one

784
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: in college. Paralandro was my favorite of the three by

785
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: by far, and I think if I were to reread

786
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 1: one today, it would definitely be Paralandra. Which if you're

787
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: not familiar with it, it it recreates. I believe it's

788
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: on it's on Venus um. Yes, because the first one

789
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: is out of the Silent planet, which is Mars, and

790
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: Paralandra is Venus. And what's created is kind of an

791
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 1: Eden world. It's a it's a water planet. It's an Eden.

792
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: And we have our character Ransom human show up and

793
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: he's uh and he's also arriving on the planet. Is

794
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 1: this other character that is a human, but a human

795
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: that is possessed by by a demon? I believe the

796
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: it is, you know, it's basically Satan. So you have

797
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: this whole like uh, you know, sort of treatment of

798
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 1: sin and evil in the world and uh you know,

799
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 1: retelling of you know, the fall of Eden On in

800
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: this this strange, you know, mythic kind of uh sci

801
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 1: fi setting. But it is, like you said, only marginally

802
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: sci fi. It's it's it's it ain't hard sci fi

803
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: at all, it's you know, maybe soft sci fi. If

804
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: we're going to get into the you know, the exact

805
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 1: new Gutty um you know, aspect of it here. But

806
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 1: I remember digging it back in the day. I don't

807
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 1: I don't know how I feel about it today. But

808
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: that's one reason to reread it. Uh. Yeah, I guess

809
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: that goes to the question we dealt with. I think

810
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: maybe in the last listener Maile episode about what is

811
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 1: science fiction? Is it about human humanity's challenges presented by

812
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: new technology? Or is it just like any stories that

813
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: take place in the future or stories that take place

814
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: with space travel. Yeah, and I don't I don't think

815
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 1: that episode. I mean that I don't think that installment

816
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 1: was at all concerned with technology. I think it was

817
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 1: inspired by sort of planet sci fi, of the you know,

818
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,800
Speaker 1: of of the olden days. And then was about you know,

819
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 1: Lewis exploring topics that Lewis was interested in, sword and

820
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,399
Speaker 1: planet stuff. Yeah, sword and planet exactly. Now. The third

821
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: one was is is weird what that hideous strength? I haven't.

822
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: I haven't read any of it. I remembered having some

823
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: There was some like gender stuff in there that I

824
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,280
Speaker 1: probably would not really appreciate today, But I also remember

825
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: there being some like real horror based stuff like that.

826
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: As far as like horror and A C. S. Lewis

827
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:43,760
Speaker 1: book goes, there are some moments and that hideous strength

828
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: that that that feel kind of creepy things with you know,

829
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: disembodied heads being made to speak and so forth. It's

830
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:54,879
Speaker 1: been a long time, but I remember when I read

831
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: the Narnia books. I remember there was a passage and

832
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 1: voyage of the Dawn Treader that I found really horrifying

833
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: as a kid. At least it was like when they

834
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: go through this fog of fear or something. I don't know.

835
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: Maybe i'll go back revisit it, and it seems rather

836
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: tamed today. All right, we need to take a break,

837
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 1: but we'll be right back with more than all right,

838
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: we're back, and this time we truly leave the worlds

839
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: of Tolkien and Lewis behind and we move on into

840
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: more firmly scientific territory. Oh okay, this is just a

841
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 1: short message, uh from Rasmus about our Electric micro Bland episode. Hello,

842
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 1: stuff to pull your mind. Just listen to the episode

843
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: Electric MicroB Bland, and I wanted to let you know

844
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: how great it was. It was one of my favorite

845
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: episodes ever. I think it brought up some very interesting

846
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 1: concepts about electron transportation and respiration that I had never

847
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,919
Speaker 1: heard of before, and I hope you will do more

848
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: episodes on this topic. Best regards Rasmus. Uh, yeah, I'm

849
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 1: not sure what the next thing on this subject area

850
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,320
Speaker 1: would be, but I'm I'm game from or if you

851
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 1: are Robert, I guess. Yeah. We just have to see

852
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: what kind of studies and papers come out in the

853
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: months ahead. Yeah, all right, we have another listener mail.

854
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 1: This one concerns euphemisms, and this one this was a

855
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: vault episode. I believe, yes, it was so, Thomas writes.

856
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: The euphemism episode brought to mind a homework assignment I

857
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: once had in primary school. We had to write a

858
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 1: number of euphemisms. So, being the smart alec that I was,

859
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: I thought i'd be hilarious to put making love is

860
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,439
Speaker 1: a euphemism for sexual intercourse. I think I was nine.

861
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: I don't remember the reaction I got from my teeth.

862
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: Joe mentioned that he loves idioms from around the world,

863
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,399
Speaker 1: so down here in New Zealand and maybe Australia too,

864
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: we say we're not here to spiders, which basically translates

865
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: as we're not here to waste time. I love this expression.

866
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: That is so good. I live in Canada now and

867
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 1: once said this and got a resounding look of confusion.

868
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 1: I love both your shows and think it would could

869
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: be interesting to hear invention shows on plastic and knives.

870
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 1: Recently been watching Bob Kramer knife making videos. Keep up

871
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: the good work. Knife making videos can be very hypnotic. Now,

872
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 1: I don't want to I don't want to speak too

873
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 1: much about invention on a listener mail for stuff to

874
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: blow your mind, because we do our own invention listener

875
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 1: mails as well. But knives could be interesting. Not so

876
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: much in terms of of pinpointing like where knives were

877
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 1: invented and that sort of thing, but maybe looking at

878
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: the sort of innovations that have taken place over time,

879
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: like how knives have changed and what different purposes we

880
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 1: use knives for. Yeah, it would be a huge, very

881
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 1: complex story, probably a multi parter, right, because what would

882
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 1: you have to start with the hand axe? Going back

883
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 1: to our dietrich Stout interview, Yeah, I mean you probably

884
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: have to start with pre knife stone tools, but then

885
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: you can get into some really fun stuff like the

886
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: switch blade. Off the top of my head, I had

887
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: no idea exactly how the switch plade comes into being,

888
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: but it is such an iconic knife. It's the bad

889
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: guy knife, you know, Robert, we're not here to Spider Uh,

890
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: to say nothing of the Swiss Army knife. Now I'm

891
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 1: even more convinced. I'm I'm very interested in chasing these

892
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: various weird knives through history. Alright. This next email about

893
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 1: euphemisms was very short, but I wanted to read it

894
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: because I thought it was funny. Uh. This is just

895
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 1: part of an email we got from our listener Anna.

896
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 1: Anna says she just listened to our Vault episode about

897
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 1: euphemisms uh, and writes A bad example of a euphemism

898
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: is when I worked full time for a software company.

899
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,839
Speaker 1: The company was not doing very well, so they had

900
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 1: to decrease everyone to four days a week. They described

901
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: this as quote increasing your work life balt God. That

902
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 1: is some. That is some some of the worst corporate

903
00:47:53,960 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 1: BS speech speak that I encountered. Really good, alright, this

904
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,280
Speaker 1: one next one comes to us from Roger, and Roger says, hey, guys,

905
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 1: I've been a fan of stuffabull in your Mind for

906
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 1: a long time and really enjoy your new show invention.

907
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 1: As well. Having to drive one hour to get to

908
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: work each day gives me plenty of time to listen

909
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: to your podcasts to make the drive more enjoyable and

910
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: I try to catch every episode. Being a Norwegian myself,

911
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 1: it was interesting to hear that the Norwegian phrase uh

912
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: ugler i mosen owls in the moss had reached you.

913
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: As you found the phrase somewhat amusing, I thought i'd

914
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: shed some more light on it, especially since the phrase

915
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: falls in line with how languages change, as you mentioned

916
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: regarding the euphemism treadmill example in your euphemism's episode, the phrase,

917
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, means something is afoot or something is

918
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: not how it should be. Another way of putting it

919
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: is to be wary or be careful. The term actually

920
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: originates from Denmark. However, in Danish the term was a

921
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 1: day air air ruler mussin. Now this term has a

922
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: different meaning in Danish and actually means there are wolves

923
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 1: in the swamp or marsh. That makes a lot more

924
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:13,800
Speaker 1: sense for something being afoot. The difference here, of course,

925
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: is that the Danes used uhler wolves rather than ugler owls,

926
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:23,240
Speaker 1: and in Danish the word mossen means swamps or marshes wetlands,

927
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 1: while the same word mosen in Norwegian means moss. The

928
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: Danish term was primarily used with regards to the cattle

929
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 1: trade to imply a shady trade up until the end

930
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 1: of the eighteen hundreds, and after the wolves were eradicated

931
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 1: from Denmark, the term gradually changed from uhler wolves to

932
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:43,839
Speaker 1: ugler owls and has since kept that meaning. Another fun

933
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,439
Speaker 1: thing to remark about this is also that the term

934
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 1: has yet again changed a little. When something is shady

935
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,280
Speaker 1: or there is something afoot, and we have a single

936
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,879
Speaker 1: word in Norwegian which encapsulates the whole meaning, and that

937
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:59,839
Speaker 1: is muffins smuffins. So it's like instead of saying something

938
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 1: shad is going on, you can just say muffins. Yeah,

939
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: you would say uh um he or that no muffins.

940
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: That would mean they say there was something shady going

941
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:13,720
Speaker 1: on here. These days, you will sometimes hear people say

942
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: here that muffins imsen, meaning there is something shady in

943
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: the moss. And this has yet again, sometimes deliberately to

944
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: be funny and other times simply as a misquote, been

945
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: changed to hair heard muffins imosin, which means that there

946
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: are muffins in the moss. You could argue that muffins

947
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: in the moss also implies that something is not right

948
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 1: or that there is something afoot. So while the phrase

949
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: has been changed around. It still retains its original meaning,

950
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,439
Speaker 1: at least to some extent, though it has moved quite

951
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,359
Speaker 1: a bit from its original and foreboding message there are

952
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 1: wolves in the marshes to the more benign there are

953
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: muffins in the moss. I thought this might be a

954
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: fun little exploration into how the language, how language changes

955
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: over time, using a foreign phrase you brought up in

956
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:01,800
Speaker 1: your podcast. Also, big thanks to both of your podcasts,

957
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: which keep me entertained always allows me to pick up

958
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: and learn new things, as well as how you frequently

959
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 1: come at various topics from unexpected angles and often uh

960
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: makes me go hm. I never thought of it that

961
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: way while on my way to or from work. Keep

962
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 1: up the great work and looking forward to the next

963
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: episodes of both Invention and Stuff to bowl your mind. Well.

964
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Roger. That was fantastically interesting and funny.

965
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: We we had heard from several other listeners about the

966
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 1: owls in the moss expression. You're not the only one

967
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 1: to get in touch about that, but this is the

968
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: only place I think I heard about muffins. Yeah, I

969
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: really like this muffins in the moss talk. I want

970
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:42,439
Speaker 1: to start incorporating that into my uh, you know, into

971
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: my daily discourse. But Robert, we're not here to muffins

972
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: in the moss. You're really getting a lot out of

973
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 1: out of Carney's new um profanity bleeping software. Joe, you're

974
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 1: really putting it to the test here. We keep it

975
00:51:55,280 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: clean around here. O. Alright, finally, I think we're gonna

976
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: read something about the Voyage Manuscript episodes we did so.

977
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:09,240
Speaker 1: This comes from Matt. Matt says, Hey, guys, longtime listener,

978
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: first time correspondent, absolutely love the show, along with invention,

979
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 1: stuff you should know and stuff they don't want you

980
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: to know. I've had a high res PDF of the

981
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 1: Voyage Manuscript for a while and I've used it in

982
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: my own artwork as well as in D and D

983
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 1: campaigns as inspiration. Man, we are just hearing from so

984
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: many D and D people. Yeah, and I love it.

985
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 1: And the more dungeon masters and game masters we have

986
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: listening to the show, the better. Matt goes on. The

987
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: drawings are somewhat sloppy, but very endearing. The text is

988
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: immaculate and fascinating, at least esthetically. My theory is simple,

989
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:45,320
Speaker 1: It's an art book, not intended to deceive or prank anyone,

990
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: just a cool project of someone similar to me, to

991
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: be honest. A few things I noticed is that it

992
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: looks like the drawings were done first and the text

993
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 1: added after. Pretty obvious. I also think it was written

994
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: from right to left and not left right. Could be

995
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 1: the creator or creators was left handed. I am left handed,

996
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 1: and I find writing that way is quite easy, especially

997
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 1: if I'm a hundred percent making it up as I go.

998
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:14,839
Speaker 1: It also drastically reduces smudging. I took bookmaking and book

999
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: restoring classes in art school, and I made a few

1000
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: occult tons for fun or as class projects. Never sold them,

1001
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: still have them some twenty plus years later. One is

1002
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 1: even on antique paper I found, which brings me to

1003
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: another theory I read. Not sure if you covered it.

1004
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: Maybe the text, art, and paper itself are all of

1005
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: different ages or even by different people. Anyway, keep up

1006
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 1: the fascinating work, and I have a long back catalog

1007
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:43,879
Speaker 1: of you guys to eventually listen to, which I love.

1008
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 1: It would be sad if there were only fifty or

1009
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 1: so podcasts so far. Thank you for reading, Matt, and

1010
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,839
Speaker 1: then Matt attached a page for us to look at

1011
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: from one of his voyage esque art books. It looks

1012
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 1: like a combination of some strange architectural plans with some

1013
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 1: kind of like tool album cover body art kind of

1014
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:07,919
Speaker 1: a Leonaro da Vinci UH aspect to it as well. Yeah,

1015
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 1: I like this, you know, speaking of I would love

1016
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: to come back and do something on Leonardo da Vinci

1017
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 1: proper because I was listening to Ideas on CBC Radio Kennedy. Well,

1018
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: Paul has has moved on now he's retired, uh, and

1019
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 1: there's a new host, but it's still a great show.

1020
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: And they did one recently on Leonardo da Vinci's use

1021
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: of monsters and UH and his his his like lifelong

1022
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,320
Speaker 1: obsession with monsters, and it was It was quite fascinating,

1023
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: obviously because it touches on several different things that that

1024
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: I really enjoy. So if I would recommend anyone out there,

1025
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 1: if you want to check out Ideas, you've heard me

1026
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 1: talk about it for for years, if you're interested in

1027
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 1: monsters and or Leonardo da Vinci, go find that episode.

1028
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 1: I am tremendously intrigued. Their spikes shooting out of my

1029
00:54:53,640 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: brain about this, all right, I have another voltage manuscript

1030
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: bit of listener mail to lead here. This one comes

1031
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: to us from David. David right, So, I was just

1032
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: finishing your episodes on the Vantage manuscript, and I wanted

1033
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: to see if what I started to suspect had already

1034
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 1: been offered as a theory. One of you mentioned that

1035
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:17,320
Speaker 1: signals and proto cryptograms, uh, you would create as a child.

1036
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 1: I had already begun to suspect almost as quickly as

1037
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 1: I started listening to the episodes, the possibility that it

1038
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 1: is the work of a child. Uh. This could explain

1039
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 1: a few things. The nonsensical language but close enoughness of

1040
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 1: the language, the unrecognizable drawings, even the drawings of naked

1041
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 1: women of prime curiosity for male children. If you think

1042
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 1: about the nature of manuscripts of the time, access to

1043
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,360
Speaker 1: the material was reserved for either the clergy or the

1044
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 1: very wealthy. The idea of a child more or less

1045
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 1: rules out the clergy. But it wouldn't be an extreme

1046
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,240
Speaker 1: stretch of the imagination that a wealthy lord or baron

1047
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:54,399
Speaker 1: could allocate resources for the pet project of their preferred son.

1048
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 1: I say son because it's the most logical choice for

1049
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 1: the time and place, and privileged people believing that their

1050
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 1: children are somehow. Uh. But you know, preternaturally intelligent is

1051
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: nothing new and also never going to go out of style.

1052
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 1: The product of the kinds of pressure the children like

1053
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:13,240
Speaker 1: these experience do often exhibit a sophistication beyond their years,

1054
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: which could explain the nature of the drawing and the writing.

1055
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 1: This is just an idea, and it wouldn't surprise me

1056
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 1: if somebody else had already come up with it. I'm

1057
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: not claiming to have cracked it. I've never even looked

1058
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 1: at it, because if it is the work of a

1059
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 1: child's mind and there's there's nothing to crack, it's just

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Speaker 1: adults trying to decipher meanings from the musings of a child,

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Speaker 1: which would be equally frustrating and hilarious to think about,

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Speaker 1: all the wasted time and conspiracy. And at the end

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Speaker 1: of the day, the answers to many riddles are hiding

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Speaker 1: in plain sight. It's only when we try to read

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Speaker 1: into them and over and analyze them that they become misconstrued.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for your time, both for reading and the work

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Speaker 1: you put into your shows. Cheers, David. Now, this is

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Speaker 1: really interesting. I like I really like this. This idea

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Speaker 1: of looking at it potentially is the work of a child,

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Speaker 1: you know, in part because that could potentially it seems

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Speaker 1: like it could maybe be one of the impossibilities. But

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Speaker 1: more importantly, I like the idea of them learned adults

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Speaker 1: coming to it and over analyzing it and finding it

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Speaker 1: so intriguing, adults who you know no longer have the

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Speaker 1: that pure childhood curiosity, that that that pure plasticity of

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Speaker 1: a young child. Uh And but in in doing so,

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Speaker 1: it's it's kind of like, you know, the whole idea

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Speaker 1: of children say the darndest things or whatever. You know,

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Speaker 1: like children will say weirdly crazy and often the logical

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Speaker 1: things that just fill us with laughter and and sometimes awe.

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Speaker 1: You know, sometimes they cut to like a truth of

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Speaker 1: the universe that that we would never you know, we

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Speaker 1: would never quite say it that way, but a child has.

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Speaker 1: We would never draw it that way, but a child did. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, I like this idea As the father of

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00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 1: a child who loves to illustrate strange books about dinosaurs.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'll look at them and I'll be like,

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00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 1: that is that is crazy? I love it? And uh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I can imagine something like that take in place with

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Speaker 1: the Vonage manuscript, whether or not it's actually a valid

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Speaker 1: theory or not totally. One last thing I will say

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Speaker 1: about the Voyage manuscript is that several listeners got in

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Speaker 1: touch to ask us about a particular theory explaining it

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Speaker 1: that has has been in a couple of videos online.

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Speaker 1: I believe it's with some scholars saying they believe it's

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Speaker 1: in some archaic form of Turkish or has something to

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Speaker 1: do with like, uh, a Turkish culture that that created

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Speaker 1: the manuscript. I basically like I've looked at it, I

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Speaker 1: looked at the videos. I have no way of evaluating

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Speaker 1: it because I don't have you know, expertise in cryptography

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Speaker 1: or Turkish or medieval manuscripts or and I guess not medival,

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Speaker 1: medieval or Renaissance manuscripts. So I don't know. But I

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Speaker 1: also haven't found anything by experts evaluating this theory, so

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Speaker 1: that that already makes me a little uh cautious about saying, yes,

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Speaker 1: they cracked it, as you know, we tended to be

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Speaker 1: with all kinds of things, but as possible, Yeah, I'd

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Speaker 1: be curious to hear what the scholars and relevant expert say. Well,

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00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 1: the folks at Yale would be the ones to ask.

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Speaker 1: They would be at the how do you the by

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Speaker 1: Nicky Library or Harvard said what? I think we said

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Speaker 1: it wrong and one of the ones and one of

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Speaker 1: us is right or we're both wrong. But I feel

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Speaker 1: like we have pretty good adds there. Uh. Well, I

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Speaker 1: I'm out of steam for this week's listener mail. Yes,

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