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Speaker 1: Welcome into Northside Territory. Foul Territory Networks Cubs Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: with my partner Pretor Sooni, we are your Cubs be writers.

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Speaker 1: Over at the Athletic Patrick Alex Fregman has been introduced

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Speaker 1: to Chicago. He is a Chicago Cub. He has signed

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Speaker 1: a five year, one hundred and seventy five million dollar deal.

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Speaker 1: A big chunk of that is deferred. Something kind of

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Speaker 1: unique for the Cubs, or you know, newer for the

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Speaker 1: Cubs that this is not something they've done recently. But

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Speaker 1: you know, I think we came away with similar feelings

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Speaker 1: about Jed opened it opened the presser with this. This

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Speaker 1: is obviously he's being paid for what he does on

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Speaker 1: the field, but this is someone Jed Hoyer and this

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Speaker 1: front office have long coveted for multiple reasons beyond his

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Speaker 1: production on field. I think they felt like he would

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Speaker 1: have been the perfect finishing touch to that twenty five

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Speaker 1: roster couldn't get it done, and then this winter, from

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Speaker 1: the moment pre agency started, he was a priority. I

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Speaker 1: think things had to come together and they had their

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Speaker 1: off season fell into place in the right way, and

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Speaker 1: I think the Corprera deal getting done kind of allowed

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Speaker 1: them to say like, okay, this is we can go

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Speaker 1: all in on on Alex Regman, and Jed Hoyer got

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Speaker 1: his man. He was very clear that this is someone

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Speaker 1: that he has wanted on his team for a while.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think the cynic may say, why didn't this press

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Speaker 3: conference happen last January? It would have been that perfect

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Speaker 3: finishing piece. But I think the optimists can feel the

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Speaker 3: renewed energy around this team. It had been a long

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Speaker 3: time since the Cubs that had a press conference quite

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Speaker 3: like that. Obviously, Danzy Swanson's was a big deal, and

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Speaker 3: hiring Craig Council was.

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Speaker 2: A big deal.

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Speaker 3: But like by and large, these winters have been sort

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Speaker 3: of the Cubs in their four corners offense, just kind

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Speaker 3: of delaying, delaying, kind of waiting out the clock to

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Speaker 3: see if they could sort of score at the end there.

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Speaker 2: And this was.

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Speaker 3: A big step forward. Ragman our colleague John Greenberg wrote it.

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Speaker 3: I mean he must have said winning, you know, four

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Speaker 3: or five times within his first whatever sentence or two

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Speaker 3: of his opening statement, and you could tell how badly

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Speaker 3: Jed wanted this player, and that's not a place that

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Speaker 3: he normally goes to. I mean, that was the same

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Speaker 3: room where we had that post trade deadline media scrum

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Speaker 3: where he just looked, you know, a little annoyed, a

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Speaker 3: little defensive, you know about why they were rather cautious

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Speaker 3: at that trade deadline and him walking in there. Scott

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Speaker 3: Boris up on up on stage dropping some some metaphors

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Speaker 3: about you know, wanting more, wanting more pig than lipstick

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Speaker 3: when you're talking about deferrals and the overall deal framework.

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Speaker 3: But just a really energizing moment for a fan base

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Speaker 3: that honestly deserved it. Anyone who was in Wrigley Field

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Speaker 3: last October could feel it. And this is this is

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Speaker 3: what a team like the Cubs is supposed to do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, fans should be excited listening to Bregman

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Speaker 1: because his focus is is singular in the sense that

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Speaker 1: he wants to win. You know, he had a good

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Speaker 1: line about why he has number three. He wants that

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Speaker 1: third championship. That's a good line. That's as you know,

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Speaker 1: fans should be motivated by that. I think this is

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Speaker 1: Bregman on this roster. I you know, I came in

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Speaker 1: interesting that right away that that was kind of the

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Speaker 1: focus of what Jed was talking about, in the sense

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Speaker 1: that Alex Bregman brings something to this team beyond the numbers,

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Speaker 1: beyond what he does on the field. Jed was talking

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Speaker 1: development plans for younger guys, like this is I didn't

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Speaker 1: Jen McCaffrey from I want to say it was like

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Speaker 1: how Bregman kind of took over that clubhouse much younger

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Speaker 1: really like took control. So talk guys like this is

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Speaker 1: he's an emotional guy, and that's okay. But I think

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Speaker 1: to be a great teammate, he wants to be a

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Speaker 1: that's kind of exciting when people talk about that son

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Speaker 1: what else can he do? It really stood out to

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Speaker 1: me that that was such a big focus, and I

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Speaker 1: think it's I think it's incredibly important to have guys

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Speaker 1: it more in another episode, but it's why you don't trade,

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, don't you don't trade Meco Horner. You

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Speaker 1: have all these guys like Dansby wants to win. Like

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Speaker 1: that was a big thing that he talked about. People

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Speaker 1: were like, why are you signing with the Cubs and

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Speaker 1: they haven't you believed they had a plan to get

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Speaker 1: to you know, get to the playoffs in the near

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Speaker 3: I think you look at Bregman's career, there's the Astros

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Speaker 3: period that obviously ah put him forever linked to that

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Speaker 2: In a role where he was used to being.

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Speaker 3: Challenged and under pressure and the focus of you know,

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Speaker 3: And then you see what organizations have done to get

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Speaker 3: You know, the Red Sox being willing to move that

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Speaker 3: Disrupt and rearrange their club because they thought he was

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Speaker 3: that valuable. And then you see the Cubs executing conversations

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Speaker 3: chairman Tom Ricketts, President of Business Operations Crane Kenny, and

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Speaker 3: the rest of the business side to get the Cubs

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Speaker 3: back on board with deferrals using deferred money the way

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Speaker 3: they did for John Lester's contract and Jason Hayward's contract,

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Speaker 3: Like these are you know, not out of the ordinary

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Speaker 3: and not unprecedented, but it just shows you how valuable

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Speaker 3: he is viewed within the baseball industry. That the Cubs

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Speaker 3: up the models, no doubt. Think Jed made that clear

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Speaker 3: when you asked him about it. That's what we had

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's take a quick break and talk a little

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Speaker 1: bit more about some of those things that you brought up.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Patrick, So the deferrals was something I did find

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Speaker 1: that interesting. You know, Jed was openly talking about how

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Speaker 1: bigger market teams, for the teams that are spending the

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Speaker 1: do it, it was setting them back. They had it

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Speaker 1: in general, Jed New we had to have this conversation

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Speaker 1: It feels like it's almost essential now if you don't

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Speaker 1: defer money, how are you going to get these Like

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Speaker 1: how many? How many big contracts are signed nowadays with

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Speaker 1: without deferrals, Like it's it's pretty rare. If you're if

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Speaker 1: you're deferring a big chunk of money.

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Speaker 2: It's fun.

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Speaker 3: I'll have a story on this on the Athletic UH

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Speaker 3: this weekend. Just the timing the Bears element to all this,

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Speaker 1: Now, yeah, you took the word I was going to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, don't even get me started. We will wrap this up.

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Speaker 1: We will be at Cubs Convention this weekend. We have

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Speaker 1: one more podcast coming up. Thank you so much for listening.

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