1 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: On this episode of News World. In his new book, 2 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: The Puppeteers, Jason Chaevits exposes the unelected power brokers who 3 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 1: pool the strings, set the agendas, create the incentives, and 4 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:20,479 Speaker 1: write the rules. Their goal to put American government on 5 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: autopilot and prevent election results from threatening the left's agenda. 6 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: The Puppeteers unmassed the powerful interest who subvert democratic institutions 7 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: compel compliance with partisan goals. Here to discuss his new book, 8 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: I'm really pleased to welcome my guests, Jason Chaevits. He 9 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: is a former Member of Congress from Utah, served as 10 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: Chairman of the House Committee on Oversight in Government Reform. 11 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 1: He is a Fox News contributor, serves as a distinguished 12 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:53,319 Speaker 1: Fellow for the Government Accountability Institute, and we have been 13 00:00:53,360 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 1: friends for many, many years. Jason, welcome, and thank you 14 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: for joining me on Newtswroom. 15 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 2: Oh, mister speaker, Hey, thank you. I honored to be 16 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 2: with you, and. 17 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: I want to start by congratulating you. The Puppeteers is 18 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: number seven on the Publisher's Weekly Hardcover Nonfiction list this week. 19 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: That's a real achievement. 20 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 2: I can't believe it. I'm thrilled and it's a little 21 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 2: bit surreal to me. 22 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: That's great though. You do a great job both on 23 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 1: radio and Fox, and you're very articulate, and you did 24 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: some very interesting things when you're in Congress. As chairman 25 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:40,479 Speaker 1: of the Oversight and Government Reform Committee, you led investigations 26 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: into the Department of Education, the Drug Enforcement Agency, the 27 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: Environmental Protection Agency, and Hillary Clinton's a misuse of classified information. 28 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: I mean, you were really busy looking at this sort 29 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: of stuff. 30 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, as you know, there's no shortage of targets. There's 31 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 2: always somebody doing something stupid somewhere, and so there's plenty 32 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 2: to go and investigate, that's for sure. 33 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: But in the process of all those investigations, you said 34 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: that you were deeply troubled by patterns of partisanship that 35 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: you saw in the allegedly a political federal bureaucracy. What 36 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 1: did you mean by that in terms of the kind 37 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: of partisanship the bureaucrats were engaged in. 38 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 2: Well, the numbers started to become increasing, I mean, certainly 39 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 2: from the time you were there. Two things that are happening. 40 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 2: One is the mandatory programmatic spending, which is the bulk 41 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 2: of it is obviously medicaid Medicare and Social Security. Unfortunately, 42 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 2: over the course of time, there are hundreds and hundreds 43 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 2: of programs that have been added to that category, so 44 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 2: that now north of seventy five percent of our annual 45 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 2: expenditures are automatic programmatic spending, and so when we go 46 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 2: to talk about the discretionary budget, it's just a smaller 47 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:52,519 Speaker 2: pool of things to actually go after. The second thing 48 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 2: is that I tell a story in the Puppeteers book 49 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 2: about how a member of Congress kind of famously went 50 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 2: to go visit a cabinet member and the cabinet member 51 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 2: wasn't there and it was just the senior staff. Well, 52 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 2: the cabinet member was going to leave, he said, I 53 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 2: don't want to meet with the B team. I came 54 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 2: to meet with the cabinet secretary, and the senior staff 55 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,399 Speaker 2: settled them down a little bit and said, it's true, sir, 56 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 2: we are the B team, but you're meeting with the 57 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 2: right people because we be here before you, we be 58 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 2: here after you, and we be the ones to actually 59 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 2: get things done. And you know that's true. There's still 60 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 2: cavalier about it, but that is in many ways the 61 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 2: way things actually work. 62 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: You phrase in Depentagon that the political appointees were the 63 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: summer help. 64 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 2: Well said yes, and it shouldn't be that way. I've 65 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 2: come to morph into this position of being in favor 66 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 2: of term limits, but I also think they should be 67 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 2: in place for the senior staff in the administrations. I'm 68 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 2: not talking about your rank and file postal worker, somebody 69 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 2: who's working to get the checks out at Social Security 70 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 2: Administration's what I'm talking about. But the political appointees, the 71 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 2: senior staff, the ones that never get fired no matter 72 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 2: what they do. They should come in serve their country 73 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 2: and then they should leave. And as the puppeteers, I 74 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 2: point out how dramatic it is. You know, in some 75 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 2: agencies departments, people who make political donations, ninety five percent 76 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 2: of them will go to the Democrats. In some departments 77 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 2: and agencies it's one hundred percent. 78 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 1: I don't see how we can talk about having a neutral, 79 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: professional civil service when you have, you know, ninety five, 80 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: ninety eight, ninety nine percent of the donations going to 81 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: one party. It seems to be the by definition that 82 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: sets a culture and an environment where decisions follow the money. 83 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a really interesting cases I point out in 84 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:49,679 Speaker 2: the Puppeteer's book, it's called Executive Order one four zero 85 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 2: one nine. In March, after Joe Biden took office, he 86 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 2: put out this executive order which directed the federal government 87 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 2: and all of its assets to get out the vote. 88 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 2: But the partnerships with those would only go to quote 89 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 2: unquote approved non government organizations. So there have been Freedom 90 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 2: of Information Act requests put in. What is this get 91 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 2: out the vote effort? And it was all funneled through 92 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 2: Susan Rice. What is this? What are the directives? How 93 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 2: are they leveraging the two point two million federal employees, 94 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 2: what about the physical facilities? The President has now claimed 95 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 2: executive privilege and will not release those documents, And there 96 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,359 Speaker 2: needs to be more of a drum beat to figure 97 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:33,239 Speaker 2: out what it is he's doing to leverage the federal government, 98 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 2: its employees, and its assets to get out the vote. 99 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, and obviously they're want to get out the vote 100 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: for the Democrats and for Biden's reelection. 101 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 2: That's exactly right. But you can't participate in this if 102 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 2: you're not on their approved list. So how do they 103 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 2: determine who's approved and who's not. 104 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 1: Well, we're surely at into the worst of all worlds. 105 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: We're having the seeming good government of the non patronage system, 106 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: while the culture of a patronage system you end up 107 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: with a totally one sided thing, which means the next 108 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 1: Republican president is presiding over an ocean of people who 109 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: are dedicated to defeating them. 110 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. I spoke with and I hope he doesn't mind 111 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 2: my saying this, but he's now Congressman Zinki. But he 112 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 2: recall Ryan Zinky became the Secretary of Interior, and he said, 113 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 2: the hardest part is, you know, he's thrilled to become 114 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,479 Speaker 2: the Interior secretary. He said, the hardest part is I 115 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 2: have to play with Hillary Clinton's team. That's the staff, 116 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 2: try to get some stuff done and move the ball 117 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 2: in the direction the President Trump's wants. They don't want 118 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 2: to do it, and that's all we do is fight 119 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 2: over here about how to actually get things done. I'm paraphrasing, obviously, 120 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 2: but that was sort of the attitude in the approach. 121 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, Secretary of Pompeo told me one time that in 122 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 1: the State Department they were so outnumbered that one of 123 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: his personal friends who'd come in with him, said, you know, 124 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: this is like Ford Apache the Bronx. We're the guys 125 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,559 Speaker 1: in the little precinct building, surrounded by all the people 126 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: who want to destroy this. And the State Department, which 127 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: has a lot of really really smart foreign service officers 128 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: who are astonishingly left wing. They're very clever, and trying 129 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: to get them to do things is a real challenge. 130 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 2: It is the essence of the puppeteers. We talked not 131 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 2: only about the administrative of the bureaucratic state, but there 132 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 2: are also so many other outside influences. And what I've 133 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 2: see is how these regulatory bodies, the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, 134 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 2: the sec the Department of Justice, and maybe you saw 135 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 2: this when you were a speaker, but it really came 136 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 2: to new heights under the Obama administration. They would go 137 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 2: and leverage their regulatory ability to a company and they 138 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 2: would settle with them before they ever went to court, 139 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 2: and they would say, you're going to be fined at 140 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 2: a makemp at number twenty five million dollars. But in 141 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 2: addition to that, you're going to give fifty million dollars 142 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 2: to this pre approved list of these non government organizations 143 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 2: as part of your settlement it as a business expense. 144 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 2: It won't hit you. You know, you're not going to 145 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 2: plead that you did anything wrong, no wrongdoing, But that's 146 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 2: how they were funding a lot of their pet groups. 147 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 2: President Trump got rid of it. Joe Biden on day 148 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 2: one reinstituted literally his first day in office, he reinstituted 149 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 2: that program. That's how they fund these special interests that 150 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 2: are so aligned with them and getting out the vote. 151 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: And does anybody keep a record of those? 152 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 2: Well, the problem we have right now with the Consumer 153 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 2: Financial Protection Bureau is the way they structurally set it 154 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,679 Speaker 2: up is it's not funded by Congress. It's not subject 155 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 2: to Congress. They set it up as an entity that 156 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 2: reports and it is funded by the Federal Reserve. Now 157 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 2: that's playing through in the courts, but you know, we 158 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 2: issue a congressional subpoena or a letter and they just 159 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 2: kind of blow you off and say, we're not subject 160 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 2: to you. We answer to the Federal Reserve. 161 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: So that's one of the things that the next Republican 162 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: president and Republican Congress ought to change. 163 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,559 Speaker 2: I absolutely have to do it, have to do it. 164 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, you also have talked to it a bit 165 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: and done a good bit of work on this whole 166 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 1: emerging environmental, social and governance system where basically companies, and 167 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: I think presently people are given scores that have nothing 168 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 1: to do with earning a living or making money or 169 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: being profitable, but are somebody else's definition of what your environmental, social, 170 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: and governess patterns ought to be, all of which are 171 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: on the left. 172 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 2: One of the puppeteers that's out there is Larry Fink 173 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:33,719 Speaker 2: at Blackrock. Blackrock is so pervasive that if you take 174 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 2: the S and P five hundred, ninety eight point five 175 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 2: percent of the companies on the S and P five hundred, 176 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 2: Blackrock owns at least, if not more than five percent 177 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,679 Speaker 2: of And what they do is they take your retirement funds, 178 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 2: they take your four oh one K, and they leverage 179 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 2: your proxy vote to change the direction of the board 180 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 2: of directors and the resolutions. And we very specifically articulate 181 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 2: the numbers of resolutions and things that doing to these boards, 182 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 2: and they are implementing on behalf of what now they 183 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 2: call stakeholders, not individuals, not return on investment for your retirement. 184 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 2: They're stakeholders, which is their code word for ESG and diversity, 185 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 2: equity and inclusion. The other one that we highlighted in 186 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 2: the puppeteers that I was really surprised about is the 187 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 2: power and the leverage of the state treasurers the Democrats. 188 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 2: I got my hands on a document I wasn't supposed 189 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:34,199 Speaker 2: to see, but they put out a corporate benefits package 190 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 2: from the Democratic State Treasurers Association, and for fifty or 191 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 2: one hundred thousand dollars you can sit by a state treasurer. 192 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 2: And they say that the reason you want to do 193 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 2: that is they say it literally says, does not matter 194 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 2: who wins the White House, does not matter who actually 195 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 2: wins in Congress. We're the ones with the money. We 196 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 2: have two point five trillion dollars, and we're the ones 197 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 2: that are going to implement diversity, equity and inclusion and 198 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 2: the environmental social governance. So we've got an agenda. That's 199 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 2: why you got a pony up and donate to us. 200 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 2: Those two are puppeteers. 201 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: Hi, this is newt. In my new book, March the Majority, 202 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:26,359 Speaker 1: The Real Story of the Republican Revolution, I offer strategies 203 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 1: and insights for everyday citizens and for season politicians. It's 204 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: both a guide for political success and for winning back 205 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:36,439 Speaker 1: the Majority. 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You've begun 214 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: to identify this whole range of hidden power that reshapes 215 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: our world around us no matter what we want. 216 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, no matter what Congress or the American people, because 217 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 2: they know that if they put the Green New Deal 218 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 2: up for a vote, they could never get it passed. 219 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 2: It wouldn't even be close because the American people would 220 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 2: never tolerate it. 221 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: So what happens to a company that just rejects all this, 222 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: says no, I'm not going to do it. 223 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 2: The ratings agencies that come in are going to start 224 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 2: digging them. Now. Fortunately a number of states, Utah's one 225 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 2: of them where state treasurers are now rejecting. They're fighting 226 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 2: back against these rating agencies and say no, you're not 227 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 2: You're going to rate this on our ability to pay 228 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 2: our bills, not going to rate us on how well 229 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 2: we implement DEI or ESG. That's not the metric. But 230 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 2: that fight is playing out in the States, and it's 231 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 2: hopefully one that they will win. But companies that don't, 232 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 2: particularly the publicly traded ones, they pay a price because Vanguard, 233 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 2: State Street, Blackrock, they control something like seventy five percent 234 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 2: of the money. So we're talking trillions of dollars that 235 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 2: these publicly traded companies cannot just simply ignore the. 236 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: Trump team that says we were trying to change a 237 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: bunch of this. Did all of it just get reversed 238 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: by Biden. 239 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. So to give you an example, Larry Kudlow, who 240 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 2: spent decades working on the economy, was a great economic 241 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 2: advisor for President Trump. When he left and Joe Biden 242 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 2: came in, he was replaced by Brian Deese. Brian Deese 243 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:54,439 Speaker 2: was a Blackrock employee. He worked in the Obama administration, 244 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 2: then left obviously when Trump, but then they recycled put 245 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:00,199 Speaker 2: him back in there. He's a climate activist, he's not 246 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 2: an economist that's there working to try to implement the 247 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 2: best economic solutions for America. He had an ESG DEI 248 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 2: agenda from Blackrock, and that's what he did. Again. One 249 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,559 Speaker 2: of the puppeteers that I think is out there now. 250 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 2: He recently left. But it just shows the pervasiveness of 251 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 2: Blackrock and how they use their and leverage their money. 252 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 2: Because it's trillions of dollars. 253 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: I mean. The other area that you look at, which 254 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: I think you saw when you were sharing oversight in 255 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: government reform, was the whole notion of government waste. The 256 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: California unemployment compensation system alone has lost twenty billion, nine million, 257 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: twenty billion dollars to theft. You wanted to just run 258 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: across endless numbers of these kind of things. 259 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 2: I think there was a number that just came out 260 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 2: in the last week or two. I saw one of 261 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 2: the senators I think Believe tweeted about this. But the 262 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 2: loss of fraud on the COVID response was in the 263 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 2: neighborhood of four hundred billion dollars. I mean, it's so 264 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 2: big it's hard to get your arms wrapped around it. 265 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 2: The United States Secret Service estimated that more than one 266 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 2: hundred billion dollars went overseas, didn't even go into the 267 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 2: American economy. Was literally just stolen and sent overseas, so 268 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 2: that the numbers are startling. It's overwhelming. I think when 269 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 2: people hear it and see it to try to fathom 270 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 2: how much money that is. And that is the fundamental problem. 271 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 2: I want to highlight this, mister Speaker, because you were 272 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 2: heroic and what you actually accomplished. Since the nineteen seventy 273 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 2: two Budget Act, the only time we approached and got 274 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 2: to a ballance budget was when you were Speaker. 275 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: That's it. 276 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 2: The only time we ever went through regular order you 277 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 2: were Speaker, and that has to change. How we create 278 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 2: a budget, fund a budget. Do the appropriations process totally broken? 279 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: You mentioned, for example, that there was a twenty seventeen 280 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: report that Hudd's accounting was such a mess that they 281 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: couldn't audit it even after they corrected a five hundred 282 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: and twenty billion dollars in bookkeeping errors. It's hard to 283 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: imagine how you get to five hundred and twenty billion 284 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: dollars in bookkeeping. 285 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 2: Errors and that's the correction, and then the books still 286 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 2: didn't balance. 287 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 1: And apparently they spent one hundred and thirty one million 288 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: dollars on two projects to actually update the financial management system. 289 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: And cancel both after one hundred and thirty one million dollars. 290 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: We had this experience when we first took over. We 291 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: had promised to audit the house, and we brought in 292 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: one of the major auditing companies. They came to see 293 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: us after about seven months and they said, we can't 294 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: audit the house. There are no books. They said, in 295 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: the entire history of the house, going back to seventeen 296 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: eighty nine, they have never had an auditible bookkeeping system. 297 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: They said, well, we can know is we can actually 298 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: create an auditible system and then we can give you 299 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: an audit. We changed their contract from auditing to creating 300 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: a system to track all house spending, which we now do. 301 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: But it was that big a jump. The Pentagon, as you, 302 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: I think know, has never been audited. 303 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:14,479 Speaker 2: They can't get through it. 304 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 1: Well. They lose entire buildings, they lose vehicles, they lose 305 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: an amazing number of things. I think there was two 306 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: hundred billion dollars in properties they can't identify. 307 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 2: When I became the chairman of the Oversight Committee, I 308 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 2: thought I would start a little project. I thought it 309 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 2: would be somewhat easy. I said, I want to get 310 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 2: an inventory of all of the art that are federal 311 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:38,640 Speaker 2: government owns. Where are the facilities? Where's all the art, 312 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 2: all the paintings, all the Nobody could answer that question. Nobody. 313 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 2: I searched high and low, and they tell me that 314 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 2: there are warehouses full of I said, well, I want 315 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 2: to go visit it. Then they couldn't find the building 316 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 2: that supposedly had this. 317 00:17:55,000 --> 00:18:12,919 Speaker 1: That's why I literally can't find it. One of the 318 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: other things that you focused on, which I think is 319 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 1: a really important, big problem, is the degree to which 320 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: the teachers' unions have changed from a focus on education 321 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:27,679 Speaker 1: to a focus on power. In fact, there's just a 322 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: report out today that the teachers unions spent about two 323 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 1: and a half million dollars in the Chicago mayor's race 324 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 1: electing their candidate who actually worked for the teachers union. Well, 325 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: what was your experience as you looked at it? What 326 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:43,199 Speaker 1: did you learn about the way the teachers' unions operate? 327 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 2: A couple of things. They have morphed not from how 328 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 2: do we help teachers, how do we better teach kids 329 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:53,199 Speaker 2: in the classroom, They have morphed into this political organization 330 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:57,679 Speaker 2: whose tentacles go way above and beyond the classroom. Or 331 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 2: what affects that actual school and almost a real predisposition 332 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 2: to exclude and push parents out and take They call 333 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,439 Speaker 2: it the whole of student, the new buzzword that we 334 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 2: all need to be aware of that really they're making 335 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 2: a push on. We talk about it in the puppeteers 336 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 2: in California with Governor Newsom is what they call community schools. Now, 337 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 2: community schools sound nice, right, but not the way they 338 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 2: set it up. They want to control the whole of 339 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 2: student from everything from the haircut they get, to the 340 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 2: clothes they wear, to the computer and the social media 341 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 2: that they get. They have developed a scheme to give 342 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 2: everybody a computer. Sounds nice, but they figured out how 343 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 2: to monetize it because they're going to track these people 344 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 2: and they create a profile these people, and then they're 345 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,239 Speaker 2: going to sell that data. They see it as a 346 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:50,919 Speaker 2: money making opportunity for them. And Randy Weingarten, who's heads 347 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 2: one of the biggest unions out there, she for instance, 348 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 2: has three hundred million dollars that she's working with and 349 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 2: the resolutions that they put forward. I did a lot 350 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 2: with the Government Accountability Institute, Peter Schweitzer's group. They helped 351 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 2: me do the deep dive and the research on how 352 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:11,479 Speaker 2: the resolutions that they're putting forward, the directives, and the 353 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 2: communications that they're putting out to their mass network. It 354 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 2: really is a stunning thing, and we better beware because 355 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 2: their effort on community schools is their pushback to charter 356 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 2: schools and to school choice and to homeschooling. That's their 357 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 2: answer to do it in a way that is perverse 358 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 2: and is the worst. I think that we would look 359 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 2: at and say, no, this is not the way we 360 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 2: should be educating the children, and it really does start 361 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 2: to push the parents out of the way. 362 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: The National Education Association actually wrote a letter complaining that 363 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: parents who go to public school boards to the meetings 364 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: are potentially a terrorist threat. Now, if you're being told 365 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: as a parent that if you show up to complain 366 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 1: because your child's not learning, that that's an act of terrorism, 367 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: it tells you something about how whacked out these organizations 368 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: are becoming. 369 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 2: The Department of Justice has fallen lockstep in line with that. 370 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 2: I mean, the Southern Poverty Law Center put Moms for 371 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 2: Liberty on their hate group list, essentially going after moms 372 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 2: who are worried about their kids and want to know 373 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 2: and see what's being taught. I think COVID. There's a 374 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 2: silver lining to this is that parents suddenly got to 375 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 2: see the curriculum and started to pay attention. And now 376 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 2: they're showing up at the school board meetings, and the 377 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 2: Biden Harris administration thinks these people are essentially terrorists. That's 378 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 2: the problem. 379 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 1: We both agree on the scale of the problem and 380 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 1: how pervasive it is across the whole system. But you 381 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: go step further in the puppeteers. You talk about how 382 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: to take on the puppeteers and win. Walk us through that. 383 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 2: First and foremost, you need to starve the beast. Our 384 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,399 Speaker 2: federal government is I mean, six trillion dollars has just 385 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 2: been screaming past even the high rate of inflation that 386 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 2: we've had. We pay far too many people, too much 387 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:12,679 Speaker 2: money there. It's closing in on almost twenty five percent 388 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 2: of our GDP is now spent by the federal government. 389 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:19,439 Speaker 2: It's just an insatiable desire. But I really do believe 390 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 2: that the other part of the solution will happen at 391 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 2: the states. It's good old fashioned federalism that the state's 392 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,439 Speaker 2: attorney general, the state governors, and I point out I 393 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,919 Speaker 2: kind of conclude the book The Puppeteers about what Glenn 394 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 2: Youngkin did the governor of Virginia. He came in and 395 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 2: took the Diversity, Equity and Inclusion office, embraced it, but 396 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:43,360 Speaker 2: he changed it and he changed it to diversity, Opportunity 397 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 2: and Inclusion. Now, the Democrats and liberals have had a 398 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 2: really hard time trying to figure out, wait, a second, 399 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 2: better than opportunity and it's not a winning argument. He's saying, 400 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 2: it's about opportunity, that's the role of government. And he's 401 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 2: winning that with the conservative argument, and he's being very 402 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 2: innovative about it and doing it in such a way 403 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 2: he's saying, look, the unborn should be included in this opportunity. 404 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 2: Oh boy, he's got the liberals scrambling in Virginia. That 405 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 2: type of innovative thinking is what it's going to take 406 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 2: to actually win a long term Well. 407 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: I think in The Puppeteers you do a real service 408 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,360 Speaker 1: to those Americans who are trying to understand what has 409 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 1: to be done and how we have to do it. 410 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: This was sort of an evolution for you, wasn't it 411 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: When you first came to Congress. It turned out it 412 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: was actually a lot different than you would have thought 413 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: back home. 414 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 2: It is you start to understand how the appropriations process works. 415 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 2: I tended to think that Congress, if they asked for 416 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 2: a document it was representative of the people, had the 417 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 2: proper security clearance that it would work. But more and more, 418 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 2: especially even since I've left, I've realized how hard the 419 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 2: Democrats are just trying to put government on autopilot. They 420 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 2: don't want to be inconvenienced with an election gone the 421 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 2: wrong direction, and they setting up their permanent agenda outside 422 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,360 Speaker 2: the levers in the control of the federal government. That 423 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 2: Consumer Financial Protection Bureau is case number one as an example, 424 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 2: because all the regulatory power, hundreds of millions of dollars, 425 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:25,159 Speaker 2: no need to answer to Congress, and that when I 426 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:26,919 Speaker 2: got elected, I didn't know what it was going to 427 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 2: be like that, But that's where we are today. 428 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,120 Speaker 1: They're really pretty clever at trying to figure out how 429 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: to survive the periods when Republicans are dominant, and in 430 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 1: a sense, they create such deep challenges to being able 431 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: to change things that it's an enormous problem. 432 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 2: It's not easy to solve. And I worry that our 433 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 2: debt has become so insurmountable from the time your speaker 434 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 2: to where we are today. We're paying more than two 435 00:24:55,720 --> 00:25:00,200 Speaker 2: billion dollars a day just an interest servicing that national 436 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 2: debt two billion a day, and I don't know how 437 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 2: we dig out from under it. When I was in 438 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,640 Speaker 2: the Budget committee with Paul Ryan as the budget chair, 439 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 2: you can be critical of Paul Ryan. A lot of things. 440 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 2: He did understand and know the budget. I can tell 441 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:17,120 Speaker 2: you that. And I had Secretary Geidner from the Obama administration. 442 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 2: He said, look, as long as the national debt is 443 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 2: up to sixty percent of the GDP, we're just fine. 444 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 2: But now we've screamed past one hundred percent a long 445 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,919 Speaker 2: time ago. These types of things really do scare me. 446 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 2: In this book, at the end of the day, it 447 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,120 Speaker 2: scared me because these challenges are so immense. 448 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: I think you're onto something here. And the thing I 449 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 1: like about it is that the puppeteers really helps explain 450 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 1: how deep and how difficult this challenge is going to be. 451 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 1: It's not just on the surface. There's going to be 452 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,719 Speaker 1: a great deal of kind of root and branch taking 453 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 1: out the old order. If we're in fact kind of 454 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: get back to in America that is functional in terms 455 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: of the things people think ought to be happening and 456 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: they can't quite figure out why they aren't. And I 457 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: think in The Puppeteers you really cast a great deal 458 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: of light on exactly what happened, what it's going to 459 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: be like for us to take this on and change it. 460 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 2: Well, thank you. I appreciate the kind words. It's not 461 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 2: just illuminating the problem. I think people at home figured right, 462 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 2: what do I do about it? And hopefully we can 463 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 2: give some answers to that as well, because you're right, 464 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 2: a budget it's not going to balance in the next 465 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 2: twelve months. We miss your leadership there. It took real 466 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 2: leadership and a team to say this is important, we 467 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 2: are going to get it done. And you know used 468 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 2: to have Democrats. Didn't you that it would help along 469 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,400 Speaker 2: the way? Show me one that is actually a fiscal hawk. 470 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 2: The silk blue dogs are all gone? 471 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: Does un? Jess. I want to thank you for joining me. 472 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: Your new book, The Puppeteers is a fascinating read. I 473 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 1: encourage all our listeners to get a copy of your book. 474 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,120 Speaker 1: We're going to link to it on our show page. 475 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 1: And also, just w you're now doing a radio show, 476 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 1: tell people how they can listen to you on radio. 477 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 2: I have a podcast, and so in fact, my interview 478 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 2: is with you about your book, and so it's up 479 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 2: right now. It's Jason in the House. It's on the 480 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 2: Foxnewspodcast dot com. But anywhere you listen to podcasts, just 481 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 2: type in Jason in the House and you'll be able 482 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:14,159 Speaker 2: to find it. 483 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: It was fun today we did that. I really enjoyed 484 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,399 Speaker 1: it a great deal and I just wanted people to 485 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: know that they can learn even more about what you're 486 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 1: doing at theod of the podcast. So again, I just 487 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: want to thank you for joining me and talking about 488 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: the Puppeteers. 489 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 2: Oh, thank you, mister speaker. I appreciate it. 490 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 1: Thank you to my guest Jason Chaevitz. You can get 491 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 1: a link to buy his new book, The Puppeteers on 492 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,880 Speaker 1: our show page at Newtsworld dot com. News World is producable, 493 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 1: Gangers three sixty and iHeartMedia. 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