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Speaker 1: Well hope. The NFL Daily on Greg Rosenthal Beyond Lucky Today,

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Speaker 1: to be joined by Jordan Rodrigg of The Athletic with

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Speaker 1: Me in the studio, the Chris Westling Podcast Studio and

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Speaker 1: somewhere in the Sonny environs of Las Vegas. Nate Tice

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Speaker 1: of Yahoo Sports. I'm really excited about this show. You know,

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Speaker 1: we've we've been doing it a little bit here and

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Speaker 1: as you hopefully have learned if you're a listener, we're

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Speaker 1: going to have a bunch of different flavors of this show.

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Speaker 1: Different shows, we'll have different flavors. And this show's flavor,

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Speaker 1: Nate is dork that That's that's our flavor.

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Speaker 2: Let's let's get.

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Speaker 3: Let's get.

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Speaker 2: It's good to see about it.

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Speaker 1: You look, you look very rested, and you look you

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Speaker 1: look handsome, and I haven't seen you since since the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl in a little bit.

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Speaker 4: Getting the wife hasn't killed me yet. Like that, That's

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Speaker 4: what's going on. That's why I I think I have

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Speaker 4: a lot of takes pent up, and maybe that's what

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Speaker 4: I'm going with. I'm bursting at the scenes with takes.

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Speaker 4: That was that was a very fun Is that from

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Speaker 4: like the NFL films are ive there.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna leaning hard into NFL films.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's not the autumn wind. That was like

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Speaker 4: the gramble to it like beforehand, it was a summer wind.

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Speaker 4: I can't do that either. That's not true, but it's

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Speaker 4: but no, I'm happy to be here. I I usually

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Speaker 4: get like nerd or anything, but one time I got

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Speaker 4: described as like it was. Actually it was an old

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Speaker 4: co host with Dane and I din brug Or. He

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Speaker 4: was like, oh, our draft geeks, and I felt like

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Speaker 4: I almost got insulted there. It was like, yeah, yeah, geek,

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Speaker 4: you know, you know that's a step below nerd.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 2: You're none of those things.

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Speaker 1: You're you're a tall, strapping uh former D one athlete

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Speaker 1: and you know, back up to Russell Wilson. So that's

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Speaker 1: more at least athletically as far as I know, Jordan

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Speaker 1: than me, or you have accomplished.

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Speaker 5: As far as you know, I don't know, I don't know,

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Speaker 5: you don't know, you don't know all about that.

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Speaker 1: It's great to have you back in the studio. To Jordan,

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Speaker 1: you're here obviously for our first show, and I wanted

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Speaker 1: to get you back for this show because I just

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Speaker 1: felt like you and Nate are the two perfect people

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Speaker 1: to talk about, like what's coming next, what we're interested

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Speaker 1: in terms of NFL schemes. That's why today is the

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Speaker 1: flavor of dork. And I mean that in the best

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Speaker 1: way possible, Like I love this stuff and it's a

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Speaker 1: good time of year. I think to talk about what

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Speaker 1: trends we've seen maybe on the field, and what we're

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Speaker 1: looking forward to. And I left it pretty open ended.

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Speaker 2: Nate.

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Speaker 1: I know you have a piece coming up on Yahoo's

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Speaker 1: Sports about this, so you are very well prepped. You

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Speaker 1: also have a podcast coming up on Yahoo's Sports in

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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks, so I'm really looking forward to

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Speaker 1: listening to that. But it can be league wide, it

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Speaker 1: can be a specific team, it can be coach, it

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Speaker 1: can be anything.

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Speaker 2: In Jordan, I want you to get this going well.

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Speaker 5: I'm excited to start because I'm going to steal Nate's

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Speaker 5: answer from him immediately. You know what I'm going to say,

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Speaker 5: I think, so okay. At the same time, ready one

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Speaker 5: three pistol.

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Speaker 6: rams pistol. Okay, So okay, I know you're gonna point.

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Speaker 6: I knew you're gonna bring someone's gonna bring this up.

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Speaker 6: So I have a bullet point on this. So I'm ready.

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Speaker 6: I'm ready for the pistol.

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Speaker 5: Well, okay, so I'm not gonna be the person who

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Speaker 5: comes on here and talks about the Rams all the time.

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Speaker 5: I do want the listeners to know that we're talking

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Speaker 5: about a lot of different things. But this was extremely

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Speaker 5: fascinating to watch and cover. Last year, the Rams started

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Speaker 5: deploying a significant amount significant amounts of the pistol formation,

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Speaker 5: You saw a little like test of concept earlier in

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Speaker 5: What was really good about this was it kind of

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Speaker 5: I know you wrote really well about this over Yahoo.

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Speaker 5: I love that piece that you wrote. It was super

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Speaker 5: watching last year. I think it's next because it works.

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Speaker 5: I think you're going to see a lot of teams

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Speaker 5: good example of being able to blend this concept, specifically

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Speaker 5: to not only keep your entire menu open to you,

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Speaker 5: to not give tells to aggressive defenses, but also to

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Speaker 1: Back into some of their even just explain to the

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So pistol is when I mean it literally looks

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Speaker 5: then you know, you can keep running things like play action.

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Speaker 5: A lot of coaches don't like to run Nate, you

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Speaker 5: It just it limits them, but pistol you have a

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Speaker 1: And I love that the Rams and we've seen this

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Speaker 1: as things that he does well, like, they change what

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Speaker 1: they do a lot, and they don't stay static. You

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Speaker 1: Stafford's one of your favorite quarterbacks to see him evolving

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Speaker 1: like they're the first team to ever run pistol. But

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Speaker 1: the league is just different now than it used to.

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Speaker 1: I mean the pistol uh, of course, fame created by

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Speaker 5: Yeah, people have done it like this isn't new. I

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Speaker 5: don't say it's next because it's new. It's not new,

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Speaker 5: but it's all you see it a lot in the college.

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Speaker 1: Everything, everything in the NFL has been done some way before.

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Speaker 1: But the way you're talking about marrying the running game, Like,

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Speaker 1: what what gets you going about this?

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Speaker 2: Watching Stafford in this evolution, Nate.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's yeah, it's merging two worlds like Jordan was

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Speaker 4: kind of alluding to. And I thought the most important

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Speaker 4: part is that defenses are really smart now, like they

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Speaker 4: I mean, they've been smart before, but like I think

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Speaker 4: they're just the level of defensive plays higher than ever.

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Speaker 4: And when teams, i mean, shoot, when Payton Manning was

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Speaker 3: Shotgun and that was insane at the time.

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Speaker 4: That was like crazy, they were fifty percent, and now

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Speaker 4: most of the teams are over easily over fifty. Some

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Speaker 4: teams are over ninety percent of the shotgun. And okay,

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Speaker 4: when we have standard runs, Okay, if the running back

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Speaker 4: they only could run this run, this run, this run. Okay,

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Speaker 4: make it easier on our defenders. So when you get

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Speaker 4: you got to the next time we really saw a

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Speaker 4: lot of pistol was Peyton Mannings last year with the

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Speaker 3: Moved them back to make it easier. That's our real thing.

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Speaker 5: That sounds a bit familiar, Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: So it's flexible. If if like.

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Speaker 1: Colin Kaepernick kind of out of them as an NFL

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Speaker 3: Kind of that's it.

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Speaker 5: You don't have to be able to move as a

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Speaker 5: quarterback for this to work is what Nate's getting at.

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Speaker 3: Here you're cheating four yards.

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Speaker 4: But I when you get and this is where I

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Speaker 4: think it's what's cool with the Rams version is I

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Speaker 4: up the QB run game a little bit. That's why

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Speaker 4: you can just open up some more of the stuff.

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Speaker 4: But when you watch it with Stafford, and like Jordan

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Speaker 4: was saying, the drop back passing game, it's now creating

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Speaker 4: under centered looks out of pistol. So it's easier on Stafford.

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Speaker 4: But it doesn't have to be under center. But now

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Speaker 4: if he's in what they call a home position, which

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Speaker 4: is like an I formation position, but now it's shotgun,

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Speaker 4: you know, pistol.

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Speaker 3: Now the defense can't. I can't.

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Speaker 3: We've talked a lot about it, you.

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Speaker 4: We just talked about micro reactions. Those little quarter a

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Speaker 4: Last year, there was just all these slot guys and

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Speaker 7: We love a double meeting. We love a double rather.

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Speaker 1: And we've seen more three safety looks just in general,

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Speaker 7: Yeah, help mine.

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Speaker 5: I'm sorry, Nate, you got me thinking about Like I

440
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Speaker 5: remember when the idea for non coverage confined nickel players

441
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Speaker 5: is to make them an unavoidable player, so the quarterback

442
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Speaker 5: sees them and automatically looks elsewhere, which, to Nate's point,

443
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Speaker 5: forces a little bit of hesitation. So I think that

444
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Speaker 5: is also one part of it that you've seen in

445
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Speaker 5: defense is already in the way that they move and

446
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Speaker 5: manipulate you know, whoever.

447
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Speaker 7: The slot player is.

448
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Speaker 5: But with this, it's really interesting because they literally can

449
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Speaker 5: like orbit the front seven essentially, and these teams that

450
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Speaker 5: really capitalize on the middle of the field, while they

451
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Speaker 5: can also like sort of float shooting star like they

452
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Speaker 5: can float sort of pre snap. When I was mentioning

453
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Speaker 5: the walk around defense, I mean you mentioned the Cardinals.

454
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Speaker 5: When you know, the walk around, it kind of just like, oh,

455
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Speaker 5: we're shuffling around, and all of a sudden they're in

456
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Speaker 5: their snap look versus necessarily rotating post snap. They kind

457
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Speaker 5: of were moving and sort of like, oh, is there

458
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Speaker 5: a game here today? And then all of a sudden, boom,

459
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Speaker 5: they're in this look. And then the quarterback's like, oh,

460
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Speaker 5: the player in the void where I was looking is in.

461
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Speaker 7: That void, So I got to look elsewhere.

462
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Speaker 5: And it's all about the quarterback always says, make the

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Speaker 5: defense hesitate just a little bit longer.

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Speaker 7: Well, this is Tonate's point.

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Speaker 5: Making the offense, allegedly and in their hopes, hesitate just

466
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Speaker 5: a little bit longer. Look deeper in the progression, look

467
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Speaker 5: somewhere else, look for the layup, look for something that

468
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Speaker 5: is not targeting that player. As long as that proof

469
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Speaker 5: of concept is there, they can make the play on

470
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Speaker 5: the ball there, you know, And like to that point,

471
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Speaker 5: I do think we're going to see more of that.

472
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Speaker 5: I think we're going to see more of that because

473
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Speaker 5: everything in this league is built around stopping the pass

474
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Speaker 5: and now adjusting to the pre snap eye candy and

475
00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:44,879
Speaker 5: the pre snap movement in ways that aren't just you know,

476
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Speaker 5: playing landmarks as a defense because you can't necessarily always

477
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Speaker 5: play the motion itself, but you can still understand the

478
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Speaker 5: tendencies of the offense of where that ball is going

479
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Speaker 5: to end up on the field. But teams are even

480
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Speaker 5: messing with that now too, so you have to you

481
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Speaker 5: have to have these players.

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Speaker 1: I feel like if you want good pr as a

483
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Speaker 1: defensive coordinator, you just do like the walk around defense,

484
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Speaker 1: you know, because you.

485
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Speaker 2: Always get you always get popped for that.

486
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Speaker 1: That's like every couple of years, someone gets super into

487
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Speaker 1: it for four games just because they're desperate and Belichick

488
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Speaker 1: actually everyone's taking their little turn with it. But if

489
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Speaker 1: you do the walk around defense where everything looks crazy

490
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Speaker 1: before the snap, you get a lot of pop I

491
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Speaker 1: want to ask you, guys, how you think the then

492
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Speaker 1: they get on that's you know, the Patriots are gonna

493
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Speaker 1: because they had big players, they wouldn't do it too much.

494
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Speaker 1: It just it just sprinkle it in every once in

495
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Speaker 1: a while to mess with.

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Speaker 3: You, but you don't use it all the top.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how do you think?

498
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Speaker 5: Uh?

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Speaker 2: I guess?

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Speaker 1: And this could you know, lead to just another thing

501
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Speaker 1: to talk about because we know it's a trend because

502
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Speaker 1: all you have to do is look at the coaching

503
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Speaker 1: staffs around the league. How do you think the Mike

504
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Speaker 1: McDonald defensive tree plays into this but also just is

505
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Speaker 1: going to play into this season, because I think for

506
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Speaker 1: most fans out there, it's flown a little under the

507
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Speaker 1: radar that Mike McDonald, who did about it as good

508
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Speaker 1: a job as any defensive coordinator over the last two

509
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Speaker 1: years in the NFL, coming from Michigan and going to

510
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Speaker 1: the Ravens. Everyone knows he got hired in Seattle, but

511
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Speaker 1: then okay, so there's one style of his defense there,

512
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Speaker 1: and then in Baltimore he gets replaced by Zachary Orr

513
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Speaker 1: and so there's one there. And then we go to

514
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Speaker 1: the Titans and we got a Ravens assistant Dinard Wilson there,

515
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Speaker 1: and then we go to the Dolphins and they hired

516
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Speaker 1: Anthony Weaver another one of those. So literally four coordinators

517
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Speaker 1: from the exact same staff, who you know was very effective,

518
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Speaker 1: and we're doing things a little bit differently than a

519
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Speaker 1: lot of the league are suddenly running teams. So that's

520
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Speaker 1: you know, an eighth of the league is now this

521
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Speaker 1: Mike McDonald defense. How do you think that's going to

522
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Speaker 1: affect things like what are they going to look like?

523
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Speaker 1: And related to everything we're talking about too with all

524
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Speaker 1: the safeties.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think i'd love to hear Nate's breakdown

526
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Speaker 5: of why this defense has popularized so suddenly and so

527
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Speaker 5: as these things do, if it works against high powered offenses,

528
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Speaker 5: if it stops high powered offenses, you're gonna hire.

529
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Speaker 1: I basically having because Mike McDonald like beat the Shannonhan

530
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Speaker 1: Tree a couple times in prime time, so like owners

531
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Speaker 1: and stuff, but.

532
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Speaker 2: Also all right, let's do that.

533
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Speaker 7: His defense looks smart and it looks sick.

534
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Speaker 2: Right, No it doesn't. I'm not saying he didn't deserve it.

535
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Speaker 1: I just mean, like in big spots when people were watching,

536
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Speaker 1: he slowed down the most unstoppable offenses in football, and

537
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Speaker 1: so own exactly. It's got that complicated. Owners and coaches

538
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Speaker 1: are just like, let's get that, but four seems.

539
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Speaker 2: Like a lot.

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Speaker 5: I think what's what's super interesting is you've you've seen

541
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Speaker 5: some of these coaches and Mike McDaniel being one of

542
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 5: these coaches literally walk out of the Fangio system era

543
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 5: it's still ongoing whatever, but like walk out of that

544
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Speaker 5: and into right very quickly.

545
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Speaker 1: He was a little late on the trend, and now

546
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Speaker 1: we'll see if he's early one.

547
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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's interesting.

548
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and then and the Chargers of Jesse Mintera. So

549
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Speaker 4: do the Ravens Ravens Michigan double resume builder, the harbor

550
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Speaker 4: harboralization of your resume. No, I think with this and

551
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 4: it's hard to just go like, it's not like this

552
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:10,160
Speaker 4: defense is the Tampa two or the Seahawks Cover three

553
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 4: or the dick Lebau you know zone blitzing scheme, you know,

554
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 4: blitzberg stuff. It's everything that that is the gift of

555
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 4: this defense. And I think, what Mike McDonald, mcdianel McDonald,

556
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Speaker 4: this is gonna be it.

557
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Speaker 3: God, too many Mikes, too many Irishmen and Scotch.

558
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Speaker 4: But no, it's I think with that kind of that defense,

559
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Speaker 4: it's a kaleidoscope scheme. That's kind of what I always

560
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Speaker 4: get to why it's so hard on modern offense. This

561
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Speaker 4: is just what I was getting to with the three

562
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Speaker 4: safety stuff, is that you're trying to just cause those hesitations.

563
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Speaker 3: So you're just is this Cover two? Is this man?

564
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Speaker 4: Is this Cover three? Is this a blitz? Is this

565
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Speaker 4: is simulated? So all the things, everything looks the same.

566
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,879
Speaker 4: You know in baseball they call pitch tunneling. You know,

567
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 4: it's the same thing. To the quarterback, it's like that

568
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Speaker 4: is the same safety.

569
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Speaker 3: Look.

570
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Speaker 4: I've seen all five snaps and then, but it's been

571
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Speaker 4: five different coverages. All that is you wish everybody could

572
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Speaker 4: do that. What that takes is a lot of good

573
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Speaker 4: coaching and a lot of detail orientation. So I want

574
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Speaker 4: to say that this defense can work when you have

575
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Speaker 4: the guy that can write it, when you have the

576
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Speaker 4: author and you have the guy that's coaching it like

577
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 4: the Seahawks do. When that kind of thinking spreads, that's

578
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Speaker 4: where I get a little worried. Where it's kind of going,

579
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Speaker 4: All right, do you guys all have you know Roquan Smith.

580
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 4: Do you guys all have Kyle Hamilton? Do you all

581
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Speaker 4: have Justin Mattabike? Do you have Jadavian Clowney on his

582
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 4: best year? Do you have Marlin Humphrey tackling? All right, Well,

583
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 4: you have different personnel. How are you going to use it?

584
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Speaker 4: Because this defense is supposed to be adaptable to its personnel.

585
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 4: If you're going to point at one thing that maybe

586
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 4: they major in, it's the simulated pressures, which you know,

587
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 4: just is the they only blitzed for or rush for,

588
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 4: but it's the non traditional four you know, makes it

589
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 4: look like a blitz. That's maybe what their fastball is.

590
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Speaker 4: But I think what this defense is and what they

591
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 4: kind of what the scheme, the theory, the whatever you

592
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 4: want philosophy of this defense is is that they run

593
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Speaker 4: everything well. They are sure with five six pitches that

594
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 4: they can throw on any ADDI pitch count. That's what

595
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 4: they are. But again, when the brain drain happens a

596
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 4: little bit, that gets.

597
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Speaker 3: Me a little worried.

598
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 4: When people are like, I'm going to copy that defense,

599
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 4: it's like, are you okay, We'll see how you do

600
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 4: with that personnel and without the mastermind maybe behind it.

601
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Speaker 4: So guys like Jesse Minter I have a little trust

602
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:19,719
Speaker 4: in because what I saw, he did, what he did

603
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,640
Speaker 4: in college at Michigan. He has some proof of concept.

604
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 4: Other guys that haven't called play we'll see, we'll see.

605
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Speaker 2: But also they might have their own thing.

606
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Speaker 1: And that's the thing is it's very hard to predict

607
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 1: who has their own ideas that have contributed to what

608
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Speaker 1: happened before. But they're different people, they're different coaches. It's

609
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Speaker 1: like you know, Flores's Belichick's had successful people leave and

610
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: unsuccessful people believe. And Floris is his own, Like you

611
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: can see the Belichick influence on Flores, but he is

612
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Speaker 1: very much his own guy. And I tend to think

613
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Speaker 1: Zachary or is the best bet because he's the one

614
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Speaker 1: the Ravens chose, and the Ravens are smart, so they

615
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Speaker 1: could have chosen smart team Bernard Wilson or Anthony Weaver.

616
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Speaker 1: They had a year's long job interviews for all of them, right,

617
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: and so I just tend to trust that they made

618
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 1: a good choice of those three. But the other two

619
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Speaker 1: might also be great everyone, and they might be great

620
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Speaker 1: at different things. Anthony Weaver was a guy I know,

621
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Speaker 1: a team seriously considered for head coaching jobs and as

622
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Speaker 1: a leader.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, well I've heard about war is great

624
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 4: then yeah, so I will say that.

625
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 5: So yeah, I mean, I think all of these guys,

626
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 5: as you said, as you guys both said, have the

627
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 5: potential to be outstanding. The main thing that we see

628
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,400
Speaker 5: over and over again when systems are borrowed offense defense,

629
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Speaker 5: now special teams, because now we'll have you know, little

630
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,919
Speaker 5: schematic twists on the different special teams things, but the

631
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 5: teachability of it, how you can communicate and build progression

632
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 5: and evolution in that defense while simultaneously game planning while

633
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 5: you're in the heat of a season. It's a teaching progression,

634
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:58,679
Speaker 5: progression that is usually very specific to the teacher. You know,

635
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 5: we heard reporting last year of some of the things

636
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 5: with Brandon Staley was the teachability in terms of the

637
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 5: progression of concepts wasn't necessarily there the way that it

638
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 5: was in that one year in Los Angeles. And so

639
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 5: that's always the kind of red flag that you look for,

640
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 5: is like it's not just does it work, Yes, it

641
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 5: works generally speaking, this this works, that worked. How can

642
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 5: you apply it to a wide variety of people in

643
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 5: a way that builds a natural progression over time to

644
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 5: where you're you're trimming fat Chris Vassar, who is a

645
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 5: good defense great defensive analyst, and I read and listened.

646
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Speaker 7: To a lot of his stuff. He had a really

647
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 7: great quote about.

648
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 5: Mike McDonald, who he knows, he knows really well and

649
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 5: has worked with, and he said, this defense's best pieces

650
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 5: aren't the front structure or the coverages, but the structure

651
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 5: that encapsulates it.

652
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 7: It's not the calls.

653
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 5: It's the ability to have a lot of tools with

654
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 5: less teaching, so you're never surprised you're stuck. So it's

655
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 5: like a no waste defense or defensive philosophy of teaching

656
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 5: specifically less so talking about scheme specific stuff, but it

657
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Speaker 5: is it is no waste in the sense that the

658
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Speaker 5: things that click with your players, you keep those things,

659
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Speaker 5: and you remove the things that don't, and you evolve

660
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Speaker 5: and adjust your own structure underneath your general philosophy to

661
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 5: be malleable to what your players can do and are

662
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 5: actually and you're not yourself sticking to what works just

663
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 5: because you think it works and because it has worked before.

664
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Speaker 5: So I think that's where Mike McDonald has the potentially

665
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Speaker 5: be special. But people who have worked under him for

666
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Speaker 5: a while, I think for multiple years that's going to

667
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 5: be the key thing is watching how he's done that,

668
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 5: watching how he's organized and bucketed information and disseminated that

669
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Speaker 5: information in pieces that build progression. To me, that makes

670
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 5: or breaks a scheme like this, And that's the same

671
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 5: for offense. But with something like this, where we think

672
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 5: it might be new, it could I mean knew it's bought,

673
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 5: you know, everything again, Everything cycles around, But when we

674
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,479
Speaker 5: think it could be the next wave, it's actually just

675
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 5: going to be how it's taught less.

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Speaker 7: So what it is.

677
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Speaker 2: Yeah, teaching could be like the new money bough you know.

678
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Speaker 1: Seriously, it just seems like that's honestly a huge area

679
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Speaker 1: for NFL teams to take advantage of that they don't

680
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Speaker 1: that they just don't. They say they don't have time

681
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: to do it, but to figure out how to quickly

682
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: and concisely teach NFL players things they need to learn,

683
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Speaker 1: starting with like fundamentals and just very specifically what they

684
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Speaker 1: need to do. And I think that's probably lacking, and

685
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: you're right, it's very easy to imagine. That's harder when

686
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Speaker 1: you're a head coach rather than a defensive coordinator. I

687
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Speaker 1: think that might have tripped up Brandon Stalely or maybe

688
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: he just wasn't always connecting on that teaching level or

689
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Speaker 1: having the right players that he needed to be able

690
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: to teach. But that's on them. Breaking football is complicated.

691
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: That's what this show has been all about. It really is,

692
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: and I love it. Like it's the middle of July

693
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: and to me, this is the perfect time to get

694
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Speaker 1: into this stuff and hopefully make you guys smarter. We're

695
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Speaker 1: going to take one quick break and we're going to

696
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Speaker 1: do a speed round and have a.

697
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Speaker 2: Little after dinner man.

698
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Speaker 1: Back on NFL Daily and we're gonna try these are

699
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: complicated things, they're big concepts. Well, we're gonna try to

700
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: hit a few quickly and then we'll wrap things up.

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Speaker 1: It's been great to spend this Monday morning with you.

702
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: I mean, let's be real, it's not Monday morning. It

703
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: went out in the feed like overnight. We obviously taped

704
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: it before. Let's talk about twelve first and now, just

705
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: because this is obviously not like a new thing, but

706
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: it did pop up a little more in fun places

707
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,719
Speaker 1: last year. You know, it is the second most common

708
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: you know, personnel usage. It was relatively at a high,

709
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: not that it had a huge spike last year, but

710
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Speaker 1: it was one of the highest years of the last

711
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: ten years. But the team that used it the most

712
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: was the Packers and it was just very effective with

713
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Speaker 1: Luke Musgrave and Tuck our Craft and it was just

714
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Speaker 1: like awesome. And I think they're going to expand on that.

715
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Speaker 1: And you know, we've seen it. We've seen too as

716
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: the NFL evolves and we've seen different times when it's

717
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: more popular than others. Obviously, you know the Gronk, Aaron

718
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: Hernandez when they really came out like that offense was

719
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: had a lot of new elements, but really the way

720
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Speaker 1: they use those two tight ends was a specific part

721
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Speaker 1: of it. And I think about, again, we're talking about

722
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: lighter defenses, how can you take advantage of them?

723
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 2: This is one way.

724
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Speaker 1: And I think of the Packers and Lafleur, who had

725
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: the Laflorissance last year just cooking, and I think of

726
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Speaker 1: the Bills.

727
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Speaker 2: With Kaid and Dawson Knox.

728
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Speaker 1: I think of the Raiders this year with Michael Mayer

729
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Speaker 1: and Brock Brock of course.

730
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Speaker 7: And your favorite name I know already.

731
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: I know, and Mark Andrews and Isaiah likely in Baltimore

732
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Speaker 1: and so those are also those are all really compelling teams.

733
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Speaker 1: And I'm curious just how how they're going to be used.

734
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Speaker 1: And I think I think they're at least it's going

735
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Speaker 1: to be ticking up, and especially the Packers are going

736
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Speaker 1: to be funny one.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, they love that, I think. And Nate I think

738
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Speaker 7: can speak on this too.

739
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Speaker 5: It's like teams don't like to sub especially if they

740
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Speaker 5: want to go fast, and so I think you might

741
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 5: be onto something with an increase in a specific personnel

742
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 5: usage increasing in that way, because if it's working, they're

743
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 5: going to want to move the ball down the field.

744
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 5: They don't want to sub back and get another receiver

745
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 5: on the field float those guys in and out.

746
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 7: They're going to want to just go right.

747
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 5: And I think that's another step in this that will

748
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 5: buy proxy increase the percentage of snaps that you do

749
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Speaker 5: see with those teams, and with more teams who are

750
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Speaker 5: running twelve personnels, they're not going to want to sub

751
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Speaker 5: and you see it with like you know, I remember

752
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 5: Matt Lafore was talking last year about how he always

753
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 5: was fascinated with the way that you know, some of

754
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 5: his cohorts used the larger receivers to kind of be

755
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 5: hybrid full back tight end guys who are doing some

756
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 5: of the same type of disguises and blocking looks and

757
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 5: basically making everything go all these different personnels go out

758
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 5: of eleven personnel. And I know Nate's classic joke that

759
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Speaker 5: I'll always take with me everywhere was you call it

760
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 5: eleven and a half personnel between eleven and twelve and

761
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,800
Speaker 5: so but I think that with some of these coaches

762
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Speaker 5: who do like that because you don't have to sub,

763
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Speaker 5: you can go fast and you don't have to bring

764
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Speaker 5: guys on and off the field. What what coaches like now

765
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 5: is that you can capitalize against smaller, lighter defenders. You

766
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 5: can again find find the similar voids in the field

767
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 5: the way that we've talked about this entire show, and

768
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 5: you don't have to sub if you have multiple tight

769
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Speaker 5: ends who are capable of maybe you don't have three

770
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 5: receivers you want to keep on the field and your

771
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 5: and your twelve works.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look at these teams, Ravens, Raiders like

773
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Speaker 1: those second tight ends. I mean it's why I think,

774
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: Nate not to cut you off, but I know you're

775
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 1: getting I know, we care to uh like uh, I know,

776
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: I know, I think you were. You know when they

777
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 1: drafted Bowers like you thought it makes sense because those

778
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: two tight ends work together and they don't have a

779
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Speaker 1: third receiver.

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Speaker 4: Now now they I want them on the Rams. That's

781
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:59,919
Speaker 4: where rams, I know. And I was I couldn't believe.

782
00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 4: I almost manifested that. I was like, yeah, I was

783
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 4: giddy about that for a minute.

784
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 3: Well are the Rams gonna run more twelve because they

785
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 3: signed Kobe Parkinson, so.

786
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 7: I've believe they're gonna run more twelve.

787
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 3: I think so too.

788
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 2: Tyler off a serious injury that might take a while.

789
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 5: Nobody sleeps David fantasy for people, don't sleep on David Allen.

790
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, he had a good moments last year and again

791
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 4: against the Ravens.

792
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: Let's wrap up this show, uh with you, Jordan, and

793
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: you're going to give us our after dinner mint today.

794
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 7: Yeah.

795
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 5: So I like the concept of the after dinner mint

796
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,879
Speaker 5: that you introduced on the in the debut of the show.

797
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 5: And I was a little nervous when you asked me

798
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 5: to do it because mine are I gravitate toward earnestness

799
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 5: and bittersweetness, Right, those are the Those are the spaces

800
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 5: I like to be in. And I think about training

801
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 5: camps opening like you think about what the bubble of

802
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 5: camp really means. It is a space where the players

803
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 5: and the coaches are all It's all very raw and real,

804
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 5: and you're there's no hiding from anybody. You are who

805
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 5: you are in that space for two three weeks. You

806
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 5: learn a lot about each other and you work really

807
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 5: hard and there's a lot of pain, and I remember,

808
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 5: I think about some of the things that we pass

809
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 5: to each other and some of the experiences that we

810
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 5: passed to each other as humans. And I remember a

811
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 5: young man named Austin O'Connor who would went out to

812
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 5: Carolina Panther's training camp in Spartanburg every single year with

813
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:27,280
Speaker 5: his dad, and sadly his dad passed away so several

814
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 5: years ago, and he decided that he was going to

815
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 5: take his father's ashes and spread them all over the

816
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 5: world where they'd taken trips. And one of those places

817
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 5: was he traveled to Spartanburg and he made the same

818
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 5: drive that they did, and he went out to the

819
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Speaker 5: field very very early in the morning.

820
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Speaker 7: And I want to paint the.

821
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Speaker 5: Picture of Spartanburg there, because it is unlike any other

822
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 5: place to have a football practice.

823
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 7: There's like this.

824
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 5: Humidity that rises from the ground down there, and it's

825
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 5: so it's this mist that swirls all around you. And

826
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 5: so he walked to the edge of the field and

827
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 5: to the end zone and he, you know, placed some

828
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 5: of his father's ashes there, and I remember thinking, like

829
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 5: that's happening. And then all of this, like players were

830
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 5: having babies in camp their wives are having babies. You know,

831
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 5: another player's brother passed away during camp. I mean, there

832
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 5: was so much of existence in life happening in that

833
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,959
Speaker 5: very confined space, and all of those things are part

834
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 5: of the human experience and what we passed to each other.

835
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 5: And this is not the mint that you expected. I know, No,

836
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 5: I love it, but that's what I every year when

837
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 5: training camp's open, I think of Austin O'Connor. I think

838
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 5: of his father, and I think of walking through the

839
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 5: mists that morning and him having that quiet moment and

840
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 5: passing that into the field, the very field on which

841
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 5: these players were about to have these very real, very honest,

842
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 5: very vulnerable, raw hard experiences with each other and build

843
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 5: a team and camaraderie that they would then pass to

844
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 5: each other through the rest of that season and beyond.

845
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Speaker 1: And no, I think it's beautiful, and I think you know,

846
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:05,240
Speaker 1: as people that we've been working in football for a while,

847
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: it's like it's it's the start of the year, it's rebirth,

848
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: it's it's everything. And yeah, rookies are reporting this week

849
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,240
Speaker 1: at a few places. The Texans will be the first

850
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: team to report fully later in the week because they're

851
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame game, like it is happening,

852
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,240
Speaker 1: and it's not just like the feeling of like, okay,

853
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: school starting, like we're back. I know, Nate, you feel

854
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: that like that the NFL calendar is just sort of

855
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: your body clock at this point and it's a certain

856
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 1: sort of fun, innocent excitement. But I love that you

857
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: pointed out the family aspect to it, because like the

858
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 1: NFL is expensive and training camps affordable, and it's easy

859
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 1: to go to and for anyone that hasn't gone a

860
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: training camp, and if you have kids or if you don't,

861
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: like it's a great experience because you just see these

862
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: players up close in a way that you would have

863
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: to pay. You couldn't see them up close, like no

864
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,080
Speaker 1: matter how much you paid, if it was during the

865
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: regular season. And the players are cool, they're they're in

866
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: a better mood. You can kind of scout and see

867
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 1: which days you know that they're maybe doing a little

868
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 1: extra versus days where uh, they're not going through that much.

869
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 1: You can find that out if you kind of like

870
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: look look at the beat writers and what the schedule is.

871
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,399
Speaker 1: But you know, my son, like he he can't wait,

872
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: like he's begging to go because I think he has

873
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: more as much or more fun going to watch a

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Speaker 1: training camp practice than he does going to a regular

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00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: season game. There there is just kind of a beauty,

876
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: uh and an innocent about it.

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Speaker 4: It was my first job. I was doing well training camp,

878
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 4: ball boy. It was my first job now originally yeah, training, yeah.

879
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 4: I I always like the equipment guys, man, Like my

880
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 4: first boss was Dennis Ryan, longtime equipment guy for missing

881
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 4: the vikings. But uh, it was so for me growing up.

882
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 4: Camp was At first it was work, and I was

883
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 4: kind of like, I'm missing all of August, could be

884
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 4: hanging out my friend and Simon man Cato, Minnesota, staying

885
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,879
Speaker 4: at a college dorm with no air conditioning. And then

886
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,240
Speaker 4: as I got older, like really, once I kind of realized,

887
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Speaker 4: you know the path that I was going down.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's never happening for you. At some point you

889
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: just give it up and you're just like, I'm not

890
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: going to be that friend here.

891
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Speaker 4: Well yeah right and then yeah, and then camp started,

892
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Speaker 4: and then I started looking forward to camp once I

893
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 4: hit high school, Like once I like ninth grade or so,

894
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 4: I hit I was like, oh this is cool. I'm

895
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,280
Speaker 4: reading the script behind these players. So like my memories

896
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 4: of camp, and I've gone this as I got older,

897
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Speaker 4: maybe away from like the day to day of the game,

898
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Speaker 4: but in my own now media career and being around

899
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Speaker 4: the draft a few times now and seeing what the

900
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Speaker 4: draft's like, is that it's hope. And I think that's

901
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 4: what's so cool about training camp and the draft is

902
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 4: that you're selling hope to the fans. And I think

903
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 4: that's awesome. Not just the fans, I should say to

904
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 4: the entire organization and to teams and to coaches. Everything's

905
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 4: a clean slate. Oh they caught us last year, but

906
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 4: now we got Carl on our team. You know, we

907
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 4: didn't have Carl last year, but now we do. But

908
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 4: like you don't know who the secret key is going

909
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 4: to be. It could be Carl, it could be some

910
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 4: six round rookie, or could be the number one freaking pick,

911
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 4: you know.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's what's so cool.

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Speaker 4: NFL is not for long in a negative way, but

914
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Speaker 4: it's also the opposite of that is how much you

915
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 4: can get built up. And I think that's why so

916
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 4: many quickly too. And I think that Puka Nakua a

917
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 4: great example. But I think that's what's so cool is

918
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Speaker 4: that you can start seeing those flashes in the draft,

919
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 4: and then you start seeing him camp, and then you

920
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 4: start seeing it week one, and if you're a kid

921
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Speaker 4: at twelve years old with your dad watching practice, you go,

922
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Speaker 4: I remember Pooka caught that touchdown and we said he

923
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Speaker 4: was going to be good, you know. And I think

924
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 4: that's why camp I think has so many special memories

925
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Speaker 4: for people. And I think Greg brought up the best point.

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Speaker 4: It's usually very affordable and it's a very fan I

927
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Speaker 4: mean for a lot of people. I mean, yeah, right, yeah,

928
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Speaker 4: but the fans and fan events around him. I'm getting

929
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 4: to see this from a media perspective because again, I

930
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 4: was always involved with the game, so I never stepped

931
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Speaker 4: out into the parking lot, you know, And so it's

932
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 4: kind of gone pretty cool for me to see that

933
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Speaker 4: from a different perspective as I've gotten older, and I

934
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Speaker 4: think it's great.

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Speaker 1: Well, it was a great way to take a look

936
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Speaker 1: at a big picture around the league. A lot we're

937
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,320
Speaker 1: looking forward to, and yeah, training camp is coming. I

938
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Speaker 1: hope to have you back on sometime Nate, and obviously

939
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Speaker 1: Jordan loved having you again. That's it for NFL Daily

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Speaker 1: Today for Nate Tice In, Jordan Rodriege.

941
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Speaker 2: We will be back on Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: Excited for this show with Colleen Wolfe back in the

943
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Speaker 1: Chris Westling Podcast studio and Patrick Claybon.

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Speaker 2: We will see you then