WEBVTT - All Guts with Jonas Knox 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:05.360 Ka boom. If you thought four hours a day, minutes 0:00:05.400 --> 0:00:09.200 a week was enough, think again. He's the last remnants 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:12.480 of the old republic, a sole fashion of fairness. He 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:15.480 treats crackheads in the ghetto cutter the same as the 0:00:15.600 --> 0:00:19.600 rich pill poppers in the penthouse, to clearing house of 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:23.439 hot takes, break free for something special. The Fifth Hour 0:00:23.560 --> 0:00:29.360 with Ben Maller starts right now. Morning madness in the 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:36.880 air everywhere. Well go man, the beginning of another edition 0:00:37.479 --> 0:00:40.599 of The Fifth Hour with Ben Mallard. That would be 0:00:40.600 --> 0:00:45.040 me flying solo today, but not flying solo because this 0:00:45.120 --> 0:00:48.559 is a Friday podcast, and that means an opportunity to 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:51.879 catch up with one of our friends, one of our 0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:56.960 our buddies in radio, and a morning drive sensation of 0:00:57.000 --> 0:01:00.560 the Fox Sports Radio Nation. And this just get right 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:03.040 into it here. No small talk. I'm not a small 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:08.119 talk guy. Jonas Knox. Now, Jonas used to work on 0:01:08.160 --> 0:01:10.479 my show. He said just about every job you could 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:13.080 have at Fox Sports Radio over the years. But he 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:16.320 is the newest edition the company. A couple of weeks 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:19.679 ago hired a Jonas full time. He had been filling 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:23.119 in once Clay Travis left to replace the Great Rush 0:01:23.200 --> 0:01:26.640 Limbaugh and Jonas is our new morning guy. I mean 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:28.280 you probably know that now if you're listening to me, 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:30.920 you know who Jonas is. And Jonas has done some 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:33.680 overnights on the weekends, and as I said, he worked 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:36.440 on my show. He's worked all over the clock. He's 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:40.400 been the fill in guy, you name it, and Jonas 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:43.480 has done it is he has certainly paid his dues. 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:48.400 And now he is the lead host on Two Pros 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:53.360 and a Cup of Joe in the Morning with the 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:59.920 aforementioned uh Jonas Knox and LaVar Arrington and Brady quinn 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:02.840 As they all work together on the morning Drive on 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:06.320 Fox Sports Radio, and I'm the leading to those guys. 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:11.520 But I'm excited to have Jonas on here and welcome Jonas, 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:14.760 and it's good to have you here. Congratulations on the gig. 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:18.399 And how has your life changed in amazing and magical 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:24.560 ways now that you are a morning drive host, morning 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:29.600 drive syndicated host, that's a big deal. How have things changed, Jonas? 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:34.880 I mean, to be honest with you, the first producing 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:39.040 shift that I ever did at Fox Sports Radio was 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:42.360 as an assistant producer for Zack and Jack in this 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:45.880 exact time slot and I can remember the great Annie's 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:48.440 that they're VI's telling me when she called me up 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:50.079 to say, hey, we want to we want to make 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:53.040 you the assistant producer so you can be there for 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:56.480 that show, uh and be there in studio, And I 0:02:56.480 --> 0:02:58.800 remember her telling me, you know it is gonna be 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:01.280 a lifestyle change, and that it's not going to be 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:03.840 that much of a lifestyle change. And then you start 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:07.079 waking up at one am and you realize, oh no, no, no, 0:03:07.600 --> 0:03:11.000 it's over. Whatever life you thought you knew before. You 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:12.720 can go ahead and you put a bowl on it. 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:14.440 You can close the cop and on that. That is 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:17.560 a wrap the old Let's go to happy hour and 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:20.040 if you're feeling frisky, let's go to late night bowling. 0:03:20.440 --> 0:03:22.840 Those days are dead. If you don't get to bet 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:24.600 at a certain amount of time, you walk around like 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:26.720 a zombie the rest of the day. But what it 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:30.840 did teach me is getting as used to the time 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:33.359 slot as you possibly could, and then to go from 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:36.960 that to then working with Andy Furman and ar Charles 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:41.000 Hawkins and then Andy Ferman and Mike North and getting 0:03:41.000 --> 0:03:43.560 to actually fill in on this show at other times 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:48.680 before the time the time slot would throw a lot 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:51.680 of people off. But you know this because we've worked 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:54.840 in weird time slots all over the network. Once you 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:57.320 start doing it a few times, it becomes your normal 0:03:57.440 --> 0:04:01.400 routine and it's not that crazy. You just can't partake 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:03.320 in some of the other things that people with normal 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:07.160 nine to five jobs can partake in. Yeah, exactly. I 0:04:07.160 --> 0:04:10.160 mean people say I have bad hours, but you know, 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:12.160 compared to you know you, I mean, you're doing a 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:14.280 morning drive show, but you're on the West Coast and 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:17.720 it's an East Coast morning drive show, so it's it's 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:21.239 a little backwards. And I think that in the history 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:25.120 of Fox Sports Radio, I'm a bit of a historian 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:27.160 when it comes to not with the Lakers, but when 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:29.800 it comes to Fox Sports Radio, Jonas and Night, I'm 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:34.240 pretty sure that you're the first morning show that's mostly 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:37.040 based on in l a in the studio because he 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:39.159 usually it's been I mean, I go way back to 0:04:39.200 --> 0:04:41.880 like Steve Zaban when he did it from d C 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:44.560 and some of the you mentioned many of the other 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:46.920 guys that have done the morning show, but it's usually 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:50.200 been somebody either in the Midwest or on the East Coast. 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:52.640 And so what is a day in the life, like 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:55.600 because you just mentioned you can't live the life that 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:57.480 you once live. You're married now though, of course you 0:04:57.520 --> 0:05:00.800 can't do that Jonas. But uh, of course weak weak 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:05.240 not but uh but like I, I have a weird schedule. Well, 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:08.240 well you have. I mean, when you sleep, what's what's 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:11.440 a day in the life. So what I do is 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:14.720 I learned just from working in this time slot that 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:18.039 if I try and wake up it's say two AM 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:20.840 for a three am show on the West Coast, it 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:23.760 just ain't happening. So I figured out, when I was 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:27.440 producing it years and years and years ago, I would 0:05:27.480 --> 0:05:32.800 wake up at midnight or about twelve fifteen, twelve thirty, 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:34.919 and I would get a workout in. So I would 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:38.560 work out. I would do a workout, and I would 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:41.360 do cardio and that would usually go for an hour 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:44.920 or so and anywhere between an hour to an hour fifteen. 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:49.040 And once I got my body moving like that, then 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:51.840 all of a sudden, you start getting your head right. 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:53.520 And you're getting your head right for the show. But 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:56.680 you start getting your head right, you've had your fully hydrated, 0:05:56.680 --> 0:05:58.760 because you know, I'm a water junkie, so I drink 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:01.200 a bunch of water, you've got a good sweat in, 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:04.800 you've got a bunch of energy, you drink some coffee, 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:07.159 and you're ready to rock. And then and then and 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:10.360 then all is well, and then you know, at about 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:14.360 I would say probably six fifteen to six thirty Pacific 0:06:14.400 --> 0:06:17.599 time is usually about the time that I'm dozing off 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:19.640 as I passed to Soto on the one on one, 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:22.000 and then I realized, all right, you know, why don't 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:24.000 I go ahead and steer back into traffic so I 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:26.440 don't go over the side here. But no, it's it's 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:30.200 you know, it's rough at times, but I try and 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:33.320 get my naps in the whole, you know, seven eight 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:36.840 hours sleep, I don't know. Listen, if anybody out there 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:40.560 is getting seven and eight hours sleep, I don't know. Man. 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:43.640 If I sleep longer than five or six hours, I 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:47.039 wake up and my back is killing me, I don't. 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:49.680 I mean, it just doesn't feel right. So I'm used 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:53.800 to being pretty on the go. Um, Naps help, Coffee helps, uh, 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:58.000 staying hydrated helps, and you know, not you know, not 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:01.520 licking the lid or bending the elbow or sucking them back, 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:04.039 you know, during the week I think probably helps out 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:07.800 as well too. But yeah, it's just it's it's anything, man. 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:09.480 You just try and get used to it as best 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:12.040 you can, and you know you're trying to screw up 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:15.440 or but you know, I remember it years ago when 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:19.480 I was I briefly worked in morning radio for a 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:23.200 very short time, and it I'm not a morning person. 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:26.000 I wish I was, because usually that's where the money 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:27.720 is in radio in the mornings and all that, but 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:30.080 I'm not. And so I tried. I tried to make 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:32.320 it like an overnight thing where I just stay up 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:34.200 all night and then I'd go to bed at like 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:38.040 ten thirty in the morning. And that did not go 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:41.320 well that. There's several just like as you were joking around, 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:43.880 I mean I got almost every day. It was almost 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:45.440 an accident on the way home. I was like, no, 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:47.720 I'll be fine, you know, a little problem. I mean, 0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:49.240 I'll just make it like an overnight show. And it 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:53.640 was it was, oh, listen, you turn into Tony Larusa. 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:56.160 You fall asleep and stop like you know, but you don't. 0:07:56.240 --> 0:08:01.400 You don't have an eight team back everything exact. You like, 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:04.240 look your your honor, I promise you if you want 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:07.240 to look at my you know, check my blood alcohol level. 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:09.080 At that point, I could I could assure you I 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:11.160 did not need to roll through the red light with 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:13.720 full traffic there. It was just, uh, you know, that's 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:16.440 that's part of the job. But but now it's and 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:19.520 and here's here's the other thing with me. And I'm 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:25.680 a sick, sick bastard. I always I cannot do anything 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:29.000 unless I the first thing I have to do every 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:32.360 single day is get a workout in. I have to 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:35.800 like it. Literally, if if I don't do that, then 0:08:35.880 --> 0:08:40.200 I feel like I'm behind, and so my my mentality 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:43.960 and I'm a psychopath like this is. I love the 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:47.240 feeling of working out first thing in the morning, in 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:49.440 the pitch black, even if I didn't need to get up. 0:08:49.480 --> 0:08:52.160 I used to listen. I would listen to Clay Travis's 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:54.600 show because I would be going to the gym. Back 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:58.080 before you know, Warden K. Newsome shut of Staticus in 0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:01.160 the wreck Yard for our entire life. But back when 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:04.520 gyms were open, I I remember listening to to Clay 0:09:04.559 --> 0:09:08.200 Travis and going back and forth, and I loved the 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:11.959 feeling of knowing that every person I passed by after 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:16.240 I left the gym was lazier than me for whatever reason. 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:18.640 That's just how like I'm a sick bastard and in 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:22.960 my mind psychology wise, so getting getting a head start 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:25.880 like that, Like I've always been a big fan. I've 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:27.959 always loved morning, so I feel it's a great way 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:30.720 to get things going. And then you start doing the 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:33.240 math and you realize, you know, just because you wake 0:09:33.360 --> 0:09:36.200 up four hours earlier than a normal human being, but 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:39.079 you end up sleeping at a better four hour window 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:41.240 later on of the day. You guys are pretty much 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:43.680 even like you. You're just you're trying to trick yourself. 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:45.280 Like if you're not, you don't really have any sort 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:48.520 of competitive edge. Yeah, but as far as the working out, 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:50.560 I mean, you actually do work out. My idea of 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:53.400 a workout is going on the treadmill and and walking. 0:09:53.400 --> 0:09:55.800 But I I used to love before King Newsom shut 0:09:55.840 --> 0:09:58.000 down the state of California and the gyms and all that. 0:09:58.240 --> 0:10:01.079 Now and I haven't I haven't been back. I used 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:03.240 to love going to the gym because you know, it 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:05.280 was it was great in the gym was open. I 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:07.240 went to twenty four hour Fitness and they were open. 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:10.360 They're not even open twenty four hours anymore. And I 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:12.839 would go. I would do the overnight show, and then 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:15.880 I would stop on my way way home, either at 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:18.360 the one across the street from the station, or i'd 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:21.240 go to one where I was living. And you know, 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:24.040 it was great because i'd hang, i'd work out. By 0:10:24.080 --> 0:10:25.560 the time I got there was like, you know, four 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:27.800 am or whatever, and I work out and all these 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:32.160 the old folks would come in right the wearing their 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:34.600 sneakers and all that, the gray hairs. They had no 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:36.800 idea who I was. And it was great. I loved it. 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:39.000 And you know, why would they, I mean, radio guy, 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:41.760 But but it was awesome and I'm friends and all that. Wait, 0:10:41.920 --> 0:10:43.480 you know, I knew all the old people at the 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:48.760 gym and then it all ended one day. Yeah it's 0:10:48.920 --> 0:10:52.280 and listen, uh. And and there are windows, there's pockets 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:54.240 of people because I've gone to the gym at all 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:56.840 hours of the day, and I can tell you starting 0:10:56.840 --> 0:10:58.839 at about minutes so you'll get your people in there, 0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:02.560 and around eleven forty five midnight. From from about midnight 0:11:02.640 --> 0:11:04.960 to one am, it's people that like to work out 0:11:05.040 --> 0:11:08.319 late for whatever reason. They work, you know, jobs, and 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:11.800 they're working a night shift. And then there's this sweet 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:17.920 spot from about one thirty to three thirty, and you 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:22.480 get gothic people, and you and you, and you get 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:25.600 and you get strippers. And I'm not kidding you. And 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:27.720 I've always said this, I'm not good at a lot, 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:31.040 but but I can spot a couple of things right away. 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:34.880 I can spot a closet degenerate gambler, and I can 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:37.760 spot an off duty stripper from a mile away. I 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:40.880 have a cent. It is a god given ability. It's 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:43.719 one of my only god given abilities. When when you're 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:46.840 on when you're on a treadmill, okay, when you're on 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:50.920 the elliptical, it's and it's two fifteen in the morning, 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:56.959 and you've got eyeliner on, come on, come on, come on, 0:11:57.720 --> 0:12:03.600 you you a me home? What the Andy Furman's favorite quote. 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:06.520 You can Yeah, I was born. I was born to night, 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:09.200 but not last night. Not last night. Yeah. Well the 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:12.680 other thing too. I would I usually would go, like, 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:14.839 you know, four in the morning, and i'd leave by 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:17.040 the time the morning rush kind of came into people 0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:19.400 that had real nine to five jobs that we work out. 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:23.280 But occasionally I would go in the evening and it 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:25.600 was like the club. It was like, you know, there 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:27.240 were a bunch of women like I don't know, I 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:28.880 don't think they were strippers, but they were. They were 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:32.040 wearing makeup trying to, you know, get get the eye 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:34.120 of a guy or and vice versa man. It was 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:36.560 like it was like a club in the evening time 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:40.760 after work. I've never understood going to a gym to 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:43.560 try and pick up on somebody, like I've never like, 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:45.360 when I go to the gym, the last thing I 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:47.280 want to do is talk to anybody. I don't want 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:50.160 to talk to anybody like That's people don't understand this. 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:53.000 They look at what we do and they go and look, 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:55.240 we are very we're blessed and lucky to get to 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:58.520 do what we do, like we're really really lucky. But like, 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:01.240 the one thing people understand it is if you work 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:04.080 three hours or four hours, like the weekend overnight show 0:13:04.320 --> 0:13:07.480 is four hours, all right, So you do four hours 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:10.880 five days a week, which is crazy, and people don't 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:12.760 understand that. You know, they go, oh, well, you're just 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:15.079 working four hours. I work eight to night hours of 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:18.280 my job, okay, but you're not having to talk the 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:22.120 entire time, okay. And you and I are cut from 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:25.320 the same cloths where we actually care about doing good radio, 0:13:25.800 --> 0:13:27.560 which is why we don't just want to fill up 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:30.560 our entire show with a bunch of guests, because because 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:33.240 we want to kick our feet up and and so 0:13:34.679 --> 0:13:38.000 when you when I leave the show on Friday nights, 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:42.000 the last thing I want to do is talk to anybody. 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:44.240 Like my my wife could be in the middle of 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:46.680 telling me we just won the lotto, and I would 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:49.640 tell her leave me alone for the next eight hours. 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:51.560 Like I don't want to talk to anybody. I just 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:54.120 want to be left. So just the idea of going 0:13:54.160 --> 0:13:57.280 to the gym and sparking up a conversation with somebody, 0:13:57.679 --> 0:14:00.400 I just is not not appealing to me. I'm sick 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:03.120 of my voice at that point. I'm sick of hearing myself. 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:05.800 I'm tired, and I just I've never understood people that 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:08.400 can can roll up on somebody and start trying to, 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:10.440 you know, pick up a date. I never got. Well, 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:13.360 you're absolutely appreciating the choir Jonas, and we are very 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:16.400 similar in that respect. And uh, you know, I don't 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:18.480 know your wife that much. I obviously met her at 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:20.640 the wedding. I know she's a big talker. My wife 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:22.920 is great because when I on the weekend. She loves 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:26.720 to talk, and so I'm like people in the family, 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:29.480 they're like, you don't really work in radio, you don't 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:32.160 you don't know. I just sit there and you know, 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:34.840 look at my phone or the TV. I don't want 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:37.600 to and and the other thing. It's funny. We were 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:41.920 at an event last week and the guy we were, 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:44.240 you know, small talk, and I hate doing small talk. 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:46.120 I don't like that either, but you know, I was. 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:47.320 I was trying to be polite. I think I was 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:49.520 a nice guy. And so then it got to the 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:52.560 point of what you do for a living. And so 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:56.320 at this point I pivoted and uh, and I said, 0:14:56.520 --> 0:14:59.200 I'm in sales. Because we really are in sales. Jonas 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:02.200 were the most important in part, as John Sterling said 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:04.760 on this podcast, is to sell the soup. So I'm like, 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:06.880 I'm a sales guy. And the guy looks at me. 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:08.960 It's like, you don't talk, you can't be in sales. 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:12.600 I'm like, no, I I am. Because you know what, 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:15.640 it nevibly, inevitably will happen if I could talk. Is 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:17.920 when you when you say you're in radio, and then 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:20.360 you say you're in sports radio, what's the next question 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:25.080 you get Jonas, it's what are your thoughts on this? Yeah, 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:27.280 who's gonna win the Super Bowl? Who's gonna win the 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:29.680 World Series? What do you think of the Lakers? And 0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:30.920 I was like, I don't want to deal with it. 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:32.840 I don't want to deal with it. And so I 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:36.000 always sales. I when I had the website, when I 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:38.200 did the Ben Mallay dot com thing, I don't I'm 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:40.200 an internet guy. I'm a programmer on the Internet, but 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:42.680 I don't do that anymore. So I always my default 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:46.240 is sales say kind of in the conversation. I swear 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:49.080 to God, I'm not even embellishing this. I have done 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:51.200 this before, and I've done it in front of uh 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:54.720 family and friends who look at me like, why what 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:58.200 a weird thing to lie about. I've had people say so, 0:15:58.200 --> 0:16:00.880 so what do you do? Like, oh, you know, work, 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:05.000 just work, you know, hang out, just already work. And 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:07.080 when they say where do you work, I'm like, all right, 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:10.000 we'll good because I say, oh, Sherman Oaks. And then 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:12.080 if if we get the stage three of the lie 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:14.600 and they go, oh, what do you do out there? 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:16.640 I go, oh, I just work, you know, my bunch 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:22.000 of office buildings. I've done that multiple times because I just, 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:24.560 first of all, I don't think I'm interesting at all, 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:27.640 and I think I think what other people do is 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:29.760 so much more interesting than me. I could sit and 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:33.200 watch the Food Network the entire day. I think it's 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:36.000 fascinating what they do, the way they put stuff together, 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:38.520 the way they the way I just I think, like, 0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:41.440 I love talking to people about what they do because 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:43.960 I just have no interest in talking about myself. I 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:48.880 think there's nothing appealing, there's nothing interesting. I would rather 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:51.760 it's like when people call in and they're actually working, 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:57.920 doing security or driving across the road. I love hearing 0:16:58.000 --> 0:16:59.800 what their work day is, like, Hey, so what do 0:16:59.880 --> 0:17:02.480 you doing? If they're tossing papers, if they're like whatever, 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:04.600 it is like, so, what's going on there right now? 0:17:04.600 --> 0:17:07.640 What do you got going on? Because I'm I'm legitimately interested. 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:09.960 I'm not interested in anything I got going on, so 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:11.960 I know what I got going on. I'm a slap dick, 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:15.880 right there's going on, but I'm interested in what they 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:18.840 got going on. And uh and yeah, I just And 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:23.560 people sometimes might take that for you know, awkwardness, or 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:27.000 it's to me, it's just when you do this and 0:17:27.040 --> 0:17:29.639 you're talking as much as we do. Sometimes you just 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:32.840 want to listen. You don't have anything to say. Yeah, no, 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:36.960 it's weird. I I agree, and I occasionally I'll go out. 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:39.560 My kitchen has been all messed up this this last 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:41.479 couple of months. I've been moved. I moved and so 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:43.560 that I've been able to eat at home. And so, 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:46.159 you know, I know, you eat healthy jonas, you you 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:50.080 eat a King's diet, but I occasionally will stray and 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:53.280 eat fast food. And I I love raising canes. And 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:55.840 I was at raising cans. It was it was just slammed. 0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:58.840 And I'm looking at these people who are not making 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:02.080 a lot of money putting food together, busting their ass, 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:04.680 and I'm thinking they're working hard. I know rich people. 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:06.879 I've been fortunate enough to meet some really wealthy people 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:09.280 that have high paying jobs that don't work as hard 0:18:09.320 --> 0:18:12.080 and don't have as much stress as the person at 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:14.800 the fast food joint putting the fried chicken together and 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:18.120 the fries and all that. It's crazy. It's it's it's 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:21.320 look I worked. I mean, I have worked at so 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:25.240 many different places. T G I Friday's. Uh, you know, 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:28.359 I you know, wash dishes at a place in Charleston 0:18:28.359 --> 0:18:30.280 while I was on the radio at night, which, let 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:33.120 me tell you something you want to know humbling. Humbling 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:36.359 is when you're doing the morning show in Charleston, South Carolina, 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:39.280 and then you show up to your restaurant job later 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:41.080 on at night, and as you walk, as you walk 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:44.639 into the kitchen to wash dishes, you hear sporting news 0:18:44.840 --> 0:18:50.400 radio and guys like Arnie Span your Tim Remember Tim Montemyer, 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:54.000 I do. I worked with I worked with him at 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:57.760 the in l A. He was an l A radio guy. Yeah, 0:18:57.800 --> 0:18:59.639 And I remember one of the guys in the kitchen 0:18:59.720 --> 0:19:02.680 as I'm getting ready to wash dishes because because it's 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:06.960 market eighty three and no joke, every two weeks from 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:10.280 my full time radio job, by the way, full time 0:19:10.280 --> 0:19:14.159 meaning in a small market, I'm the anchor, I'm the host, 0:19:14.520 --> 0:19:16.960 I'm the co host on the board op, I'm the 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:19.239 imaging guy on the producer. You've got to learn how 0:19:19.240 --> 0:19:21.240 to do everything, which is great because it helped me 0:19:21.240 --> 0:19:24.800 anywhere I got later on. But I remember I made 0:19:24.920 --> 0:19:29.120 seven hundred and forty four dollars every two weeks after taxes, right, 0:19:29.119 --> 0:19:31.960 that was my pay every after taxes seven or forty 0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:35.880 four dollars. I remember walking into the kitchen at this place, 0:19:35.960 --> 0:19:39.480 I think it was called Sesame and I've got which 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:42.520 mall in North Charleston. And remember as I walked in, 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:46.280 one of the guys says to be as the radio 0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:52.439 is played, Hey, what are you on here this morning? Like? 0:19:52.520 --> 0:19:56.240 You know what? Thank you? Yes, you're that is accurate? Correct? 0:19:56.400 --> 0:19:59.360 Can you you you were on? Can you wash my dishes? 0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:05.000 That you? Yeah? Can you put away the plates? Can 0:20:05.040 --> 0:20:07.400 you get me a new spatula? It? But I got 0:20:07.400 --> 0:20:09.399 a little grind on it. Well you know, now how 0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:11.879 many years ago you've been this many years ago you 0:20:11.920 --> 0:20:14.640 were in Charleston, right. My my niece is actually going 0:20:14.680 --> 0:20:19.040 to college in Charleston, South Carolina. Saw she's she's in 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:24.320 college college. She's she's at Charleston. So she's she's at 0:20:24.359 --> 0:20:30.280 the the old the old School. Any restaurant recommendations are okay, 0:20:30.320 --> 0:20:33.400 well you go to Charleston. Um. Now there's the reason 0:20:33.440 --> 0:20:36.080 why I asked what school is because in Charleston it's 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:41.040