1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: I want to welcome our Bloomberg TV and radio audiences. 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: One company that we're watching today is UPS. The company 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:10,039 Speaker 1: expects sales and profit to grow over the next three years. 4 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: The company outlined its new strategy during an investor presentation 5 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: this morning, projecting revenue to grow by as much as 6 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: one hundred and fourteen billion dollars and adjusted operating margin 7 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: above thirteen percent by twenty twenty six. Joining us now 8 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: for more on this plan is Carol Tomey, CEO of UPS. Carol, 9 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us. I know it's 10 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:32,239 Speaker 1: been quite a busy day. I got to ask the 11 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: stock is down almost eight percent, investors not liking it. 12 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 2: Why, Well, Alex, if I could answer that question, I'd 13 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 2: probably have a different job. I was really proud of 14 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 2: our team today and the outline that we provided to 15 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 2: grow our company, our revenues and our margin and invest 16 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 2: in the future. So I'd love to talk about our 17 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 2: plans and how we're going to create value over the 18 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 2: long term. 19 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: So, first of all, that was a great answer. Second 20 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: of all, I think to the point what some analysts 21 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: were pointing out was a couplefold One is that you're 22 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: going to have to maybe raise prices in order to 23 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: meet some of these estimates in a tough growth environment. 24 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: So I wanted to get your thoughts on that. Yeah, 25 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: so give us your thoughts on that first. 26 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 3: I'm happy to. 27 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 2: So we divided our growth into three different segments, the US, International, 28 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 2: and then supply chain solutions, with an overarching theme of 29 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:28,119 Speaker 2: growth in healthcare and healthcare logistics is probably the most 30 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 2: exciting growth opportunity we have ahead of us. The addressable market, well, 31 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 2: it's big one hundred and fifty two billion dollars, although 32 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,839 Speaker 2: we're focusing on the complex side of healthcare logistics, which 33 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 2: is about. 34 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 3: Eighty two billion dollars. 35 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 2: Last year, our healthcare logistics revenue was ten billion dollars. 36 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 2: Over the next three years, we plan to double that 37 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 2: to twenty billion dollars. So that's one way we're going 38 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 2: to grow without raising prices. We're just going to lean 39 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 2: into an opportunity that values our end to end complex 40 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 2: logistics network. If we come back to the United States, 41 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 2: we plan to grow revenue by about ten billion dollars. 42 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 2: Part of that will come from volume growth and part 43 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 2: of that will come from higher revenue per piece. But 44 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 2: on the revenue per piece, don't be confused by the 45 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 2: growth there. Part of that is leaning into parts of 46 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 2: the market that really value our end to end network, 47 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 2: like small and medium sized businesses, and those packages tend 48 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 2: to have a higher revenue per piece than other packages. 49 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 2: We also are leaning into the B to B space, 50 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 2: and those packages tend to have a higher revenue per piece. 51 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 2: And then finally, well, we do tend to raise prices 52 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 2: every year. We have something called a general rate increase. 53 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 2: Our general rate increase for twenty twenty four is five 54 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 2: point nine percent. Now, I don't think we'll hold all 55 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 2: of that, but we should hold about fifty percent of that. 56 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 4: I am curious, though, Carol, when you talk about those 57 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 4: growth targets and those ambitions, where are those customers coming from. 58 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 4: Are they basically with one of your rivals now and 59 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 4: you think that maybe you can sort of poach some 60 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 4: of those people. Are these new folks that maybe aren't 61 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 4: really using a shipping in logistics service right now? That 62 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 4: will now somehow I'll find you at ups. 63 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 2: So the answer is yes to all above. So if 64 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 2: I think about healthcare logistics, it's highly fragmented, with tens 65 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 2: of thousands of players in that space. We have an 66 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 2: opportunity to grow into the space because we have an 67 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 2: end to end solution coupled with coal chain packaging ultra 68 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 2: coal chain packaging. So we're the best in the world 69 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 2: in that and we can aggregate this fragmented market into 70 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 2: an end to end solution. If we think about growth 71 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 2: outside of the United States, the addressable market that we're 72 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 2: going after is about fifty billion dollars and that's held 73 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 2: by other players, players that you can think of, like, oh, 74 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 2: the largest player in the world outside of the United States, 75 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 2: for example. So there will be a share shift opportunity 76 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 2: as we continue to sell across our end to end portfolio. 77 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 2: And this really differentiates us from many of the players 78 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 2: in our market because we believe it orchestration. 79 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, because we have. 80 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 2: An end to end network, we can change the mode 81 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 2: that you need to ship your products the most efficiently. 82 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 4: So that's the sales growth story going forward. Talk to 83 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 4: me a little bit about the bottom line about margins. 84 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 4: You've already been in cost cutting mode. We've seen at 85 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 4: least announcements of some of those layoffs here. What more 86 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,239 Speaker 4: is coming? What more should investors expect? 87 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 2: Yes, So last year, as you know, the small package 88 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 2: market shrunk from where it had been the previous year, 89 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 2: and so we looked at that reality and said, we've 90 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 2: got to right size our business to meet the size 91 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 2: of our company. So we did make some addition decisions 92 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 2: to do just that under an operating model of. 93 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 3: Fit to serve. 94 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 2: Moving past that, though, is the very exciting opportunity that 95 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 2: we have to drive out cost through automation. Do you 96 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 2: know that we have over one thousand buildings in the 97 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 2: United States and many of these buildings were built years ago, 98 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 2: sixty years ago. We're one hundred and seventeen years old 99 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 2: as a company, and as we looked at the buildings, 100 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 2: we said, my gosh, we have an opportunity actually to 101 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 2: consolidate buildings, consolidate buildings that aren't automated into brand new 102 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 2: automated buildings. 103 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 3: And drive productivity. 104 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 2: So we call this Network of the Future, which we 105 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 2: announced this morning, and it's very exciting. We will have 106 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 2: by the end of our initial phase, we will have 107 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 2: four hundred buildings that are fully automated. And with this automation, well, 108 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 2: we're going to drive out cost. We'll drive out three 109 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 2: billion dollars of cost between now and twenty twenty eight 110 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 2: and about half of that will be realized by twenty 111 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 2: twenty six, Carol. 112 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 1: So the automation doesn't necessarily just mean layouts. 113 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 2: Automation is automating inside of the buildings. It means everything 114 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 2: using automation for route optimization, we're using automation to change addresses, 115 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 2: using automation to change sort packages. Of course, using automation 116 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 2: to actually put packages into package cars and then deliver it. 117 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 2: So it's end to end automation and with end to 118 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 2: end automation, Yeah, there's a productivity opportunity which means we 119 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 2: don't need as many people to move the packages inside 120 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 2: of the buildings that we have today, but there's an 121 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,720 Speaker 2: opportunity for those people to do something else. So as 122 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 2: we lean to automation and technology, particularly generative AI, there's 123 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 2: an opportunity to move off of the floor of the 124 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 2: building and go into the control rooms. 125 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 1: So then going back to the healthcare, well, I guess 126 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 1: in general you had mentioned that revenue targets will include 127 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: six billion dollars of inorganic growth. Where's the priority for that? 128 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: Where would you like to be spending most of that money? 129 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 2: So most of that six billion dollars is in what 130 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:54,679 Speaker 2: we call a pipeline. We've been actively looking at opportunities 131 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 2: to expand our healthcare logistics portfolio. In fact, we've made 132 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 2: a couple of acquisitions recently, one Bomy, the second MNX 133 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 2: Global Logistics. 134 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 3: Both of these acquisitions enhanced. 135 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 2: Our capabilities, particularly in coal chain. So as we think 136 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 2: about opportunities going forward, we're going to look for those 137 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 2: enabling acquisitions. 138 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 3: They're all around the world. It's like a string of pearls. 139 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 2: There's no large acquisition, but a string of acquisitions that 140 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 2: will continue to enhance our capabilities and allow us to grow. 141 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 2: So the number wasn't made up. It's based on a 142 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 2: pipeline that we're actively working. 143 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 4: Carl, I do want to ask you a bit of 144 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 4: a broader question here, just about the health of our 145 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 4: supply chains here in the US. As you know, there 146 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 4: was a horrific and tragic accident overnight in Baltimore with 147 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 4: the loss of life. But of course now a lot 148 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 4: of people looking at the potential economic toll they need 149 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 4: to reroute ships, need to reroute ground transportation, rail transportation 150 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 4: in order to get things off the ship is ups 151 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 4: in any way affected by the collapse of that bridge. 152 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 2: Well, our hearts goes out to those who were affected. 153 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 3: It was just a horrific accident. 154 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 2: We have checked in on all of our UPS folks 155 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 2: in that area, and all of our folks are safe, 156 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 2: thank goodness. Because we do have an end to end 157 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 2: global supply chain, we can reroutect products to different ports 158 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 2: around the world. We can also move it off of 159 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 2: the air, the off of the ocean and put it 160 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 2: into the air will help re route the world. We 161 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 2: do this as a matter of course we can. 162 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 4: And so for the customers that you're existing, customers that 163 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,319 Speaker 4: depend on you, depend on UPS, and more importantly the 164 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 4: folks at the end of that line who also depend 165 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 4: on getting delivery of those things from medicine and other 166 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 4: things that are critical here, what type of disruptions, if 167 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 4: at all, should they expect. 168 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 2: Well, I can't speak to this specific accident because I 169 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 2: don't know the cargo on the carrier, but when it 170 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 2: comes off, the carrier will help to get it routed 171 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 2: and for on because they'll need to be a repair. Obviously, 172 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 2: you can reroute ocean freight to ports like in Savannah 173 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 2: or up the northeast coast, so we'll we've got a 174 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 2: presence everywhere, so we can assist in that, Carol. 175 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:10,679 Speaker 1: Before we let you go, of course, we're staying on 176 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: the macro theme. What's your take on the US economy? 177 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: How are you doing. 178 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 3: So? 179 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 2: From our perspective, the US economy is very resilient, and 180 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 2: the good news from a year ago is that inflation 181 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 2: rates have come down because inflation actually had an impact 182 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 2: to our business, a negative impact. Think about this, when 183 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 2: inflation rates were six percent or higher, particularly in the 184 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 2: area of food. More and more consumers' wallets, we're going 185 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 2: to food purchases, and those purchases, well, they don't shift 186 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 2: through our. 187 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:44,319 Speaker 3: Small package network. 188 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 2: So as inflation has come down now to three percent 189 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 2: and the feed is indicated it's on its way to two, 190 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 2: that's better news for us because more dollars can go 191 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 2: into goods rather. 192 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 3: Than just food. 193 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 2: But it does appear to be a resilient economy. And 194 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,839 Speaker 2: if I look outside the United States, candidly, we're seeing 195 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 2: some green shoots coming out of the China Asia trade lane, 196 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 2: particularly as it relates to what we the softness that 197 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 2: we saw a year ago. 198 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 4: Carol, we really appreciate you taking time to be with 199 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 4: us today. I know a very busy day for you. 200 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 4: As you really try to sell the ups story. Carol Tomai. 201 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 4: She is the CEO of United Parcel Service.