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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal.

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Speaker 2: Hell that for me. I'm a man, I'm for it.

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Speaker 2: I've heard so many players say, well I want to

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Speaker 2: be happy. You want to be happy for a day?

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Speaker 2: Edith State?

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Speaker 1: Is that?

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Speaker 2: Woo woom? And then and.

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Speaker 3: Tie de Rabu Stein, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me, my great and good friend.

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Speaker 1: How are you doing this fine day.

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Speaker 2: I'm not bad. I'm not bad. I caught up on

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Speaker 2: a lot of bowl stuff. I got some exercise this morning.

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Speaker 2: I've got a good amount of energy. We've got semifinals

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Speaker 2: coming up as we record this January eighth, so maybe

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Speaker 2: you're listening to this after and so I'm going to

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Speaker 2: be on the record saying, wow, Notre Dame just annihilated

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Speaker 2: Penn State. Right, guys, I have no idea, but no,

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Speaker 2: life is good. How are you? I am doing well?

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Speaker 1: As you said. It is Wednesday. We're recording this the

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Speaker 1: day before the first of two college football Playoffs semifinal games.

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Speaker 1: Go back and listen to our Tuesday episode where we

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Speaker 1: previewed I would say comprehensively both of them, to at

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Speaker 1: least the extent that we can here. So go back

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Speaker 1: and listen if you want to be fully up to

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Speaker 1: Cotton Bowls, or at least what we think is going

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Speaker 1: to happen. Today's episode, though, we're going to take a knee.

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Speaker 1: We're going to give ourselves an opportunity to go back

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Speaker 1: through some of the non playoff bowl games. There were

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Speaker 1: had an opportunity to go back through. All of those

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Speaker 1: I both went through separately, took a whole bunch of

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Speaker 1: notes on points of intrigue yes throughout bowlseason. What we're

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Speaker 1: painstaking detail. We just know we're not doing that but can.

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Speaker 2: But what we will do is say congratulations to your

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Speaker 2: national champion North Dakota State fighting bison.

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Speaker 1: That's right, baby, they're back at long last. They're back

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Speaker 1: to their winning ways. We're going to talk through the

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Speaker 1: points of intrigue that you and I found as we

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Speaker 1: find the points of intrigue and call them out for

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Speaker 1: the bullerhood. There will be things that we miss if

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Speaker 1: there are hit us up as always solivrable at gmail

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Speaker 1: dot com or any of our social channels. The only

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Speaker 1: reminder that I would offer, and then I promise I'll

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Speaker 1: shut up. I've already talked to you. We are doing

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Speaker 1: back to back live streams for the college football playoff

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Speaker 2: So you're probably out there saying to yourself, how do

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Speaker 2: I get seven plus hours of live held in brands?

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Speaker 2: That's exactly right, buddy. Do I have great news? Are

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Speaker 2: we doing like a double recap after the Texas? Ohia

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Speaker 1: Out what we're doing yet. Actually I'm okay with it.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the move is. Do we do

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll just I'll quote the great I think late

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Speaker 2: quote you can never have enough, Tie hilden Brand. So

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Speaker 2: that was the full review of the solid verbal, which

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Speaker 2: I both appreciate and took, you know, a little bit

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Speaker 2: of a insult to. Okay, So where do you want

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Speaker 1: I want to start with our favorite sound bulls all war.

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Speaker 2: Let's hop aboard the bullbarge Dan, Let's do it.

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Speaker 1: Let's make our way slowly down this lazy river of

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Speaker 1: general themes from Bullseas. Okay, on our bonus episode that

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Speaker 1: we did last week, which people can get out at

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Speaker 1: verbowlers dot com. You can also get added free episodes

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Speaker 1: and other things. Discord access access to the game. By

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Speaker 1: the way, Bowl bingo is still going on out at

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Speaker 1: verbowlers dot com. Or if you want a more direct

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Speaker 1: this week's game, but there is one more that's going

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Speaker 1: talked about, I guess you're now developing theory that more

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Speaker 1: Bowl games need a snack sponsor that's creative, just to

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Speaker 1: inject some life back into Bowl season, right, Yes, at

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Speaker 1: Angle Something, Book Something Right. The good people at Pop

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Speaker 1: Tarts Dukes Mayo like, look, the football. You come for

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Speaker 2: And then they got you.

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Speaker 2: What is it? A triske it, is it a cheese

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Speaker 2: in the famous Idaho Potato Bowl. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Have a theory, and I have no evidence. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Well, and there is definitely a little bit of George Costanzo.

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Speaker 2: I know, as long as it's not a six to

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Speaker 1: it wasn't good fun to just tweet out that it

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Speaker 1: just means nine and four four. Yeah, this is what

436
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Speaker 1: we mentioned on one of our streams, which rankled a

437
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Speaker 1: former listener saying.

438
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Speaker 2: The show used to be good.

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Speaker 1: What what happened to you guys? Let me say a

440
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Speaker 1: couple things about this, Hey, yous inconceivable to me that

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Speaker 1: Alabama would lose this game given all Michigan's limitations, even

442
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Speaker 1: given the fact that it's bold season. I just I

443
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Speaker 1: still cannot get this through my head. It is not

444
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Speaker 1: more inconceivable than Ohio State losing at full strength at

445
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Speaker 1: the end of the season to Michigan. That one I

446
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 1: do not get. I will never understand that. You can

447
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,879
Speaker 1: explain it to me a million times. That one, to me,

448
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,960
Speaker 1: still does not make any sense. But however, Michigan was

449
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,440
Speaker 1: able to do this with smoke and mirrors and ugly

450
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 1: football and apparently a quarterback with the torn ACL. I

451
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Speaker 1: think it's a successful campaign for Sharon Moore in year one.

452
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Speaker 1: It wasn't always who had a torn acl Davis Warren?

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Speaker 2: Did he really?

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Speaker 1: Davis Warren had.

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Speaker 2: In that game? Yeah? I thought he was like playing

456
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Speaker 2: the season like Curtis Rock or something. Okay, no, no, no, no,

457
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Speaker 2: my bad.

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Speaker 1: If I so they like Michigan has had to deal

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Speaker 1: with a lot of slop this year, a lot of

460
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Speaker 1: turnover both in terms of personnel, a lot of confusion

461
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:55,919
Speaker 1: with you know what's going on with the NCAA. There

462
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Speaker 1: was a lot that Sharon Moore had to deal with

463
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Speaker 1: and again wasn't the prettiest brand of football. But to

464
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Speaker 1: get to where they got the cap things off by

465
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Speaker 1: beating Alabama, I give him a lot of credit and

466
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Speaker 1: I don't think that should be overshadowed. Secondly, on the

467
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Speaker 1: Alabama side of things, I mean, we can make the

468
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Speaker 1: jokes about the SEC all we want. I think that

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Speaker 1: next season's version of Alabama's going to look a lot different. Okay,

470
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Speaker 1: not the least of which is because Jalen Milroe as

471
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Speaker 1: Society's going pro.

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Speaker 2: Ryan Grubbs on the market. I don't know if you

473
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Speaker 2: saw that's offensive coordinator at Washington.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I have that jotted down. I gotta believe he's

475
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Speaker 1: the first call if they're looking to revamp the offense

476
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Speaker 1: that they're going to go back to Ryan Grubb. I

477
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Speaker 1: think Kaylen de Bor is too good of a coach

478
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Speaker 1: for this type of situation to happen again. So I'm

479
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 1: really curious kind of on the heels of this about

480
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Speaker 1: what happens to Alabama next. What does this next iteration

481
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Speaker 1: of Alabama look like? Because there are going to be changes,

482
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Speaker 1: and I absolutely believe that Kaylen de Borr knows what

483
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Speaker 1: he's doing out there. It's just again trans a big

484
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Speaker 1: transition to go from Nick Saban to anybody, right, you know,

485
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Speaker 1: a bunch of transfers that he was dealing with. Clearly

486
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Speaker 1: still a ton of talent on hand, but suffice to say,

487
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Speaker 1: it's a big deal when you come in there and

488
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Speaker 1: you have to try and reboot things so quickly. So

489
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Speaker 1: I'm very curious to see which direction both of those

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Speaker 1: programs go.

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Speaker 2: Now move the number two recruiting class in the class

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Speaker 2: of twenty twenty five in this moment, that's right, not huge,

493
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Speaker 2: but obviously high level.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, So there's that on the SEC and big ten side.

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Speaker 1: And then the whole South Carolina Illinois thing. I immediately

496
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Speaker 1: did not see a whole lot of the South Carolina

497
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Speaker 1: Illinois game. I know that that was one of the

498
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Speaker 1: talking points that people kept bringing up, just as sort

499
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Speaker 1: of like a kicker to the whole Alabama loss. How

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Speaker 1: did Illinois beat South Carolina to get like what happened.

501
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Speaker 2: To the South Carolina just wasn't finishing drives. Lenora Sellers,

502
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Speaker 2: wasn't getting loose on the ground, They weren't hitting that

503
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Speaker 2: much downfield. Illinois just leaned on Josh McCray. It wasn't

504
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Speaker 2: even like a time of possession thing. And Josh McCrae

505
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Speaker 2: put an exclamation on the win in the uh, I mean,

506
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Speaker 2: what bowl was it? Illinois South Carolina chee It Bowl?

507
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 2: It was the cheese a Bowl And that was without

508
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Speaker 2: Pat Bryant for Illinois, who I believe opted out, so

509
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 2: their big offensive weapon. And this wasn't a great Illinois

510
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 2: offensive line this year, but it was largely just sort

511
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Speaker 2: of Illinois more often. And both of these teams were

512
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Speaker 2: good on third down. But it was a fun back

513
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Speaker 2: and forth. The argument stemmed from Brett Beilama sort of

514
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Speaker 2: taunting Shane Beemer when he was out to help with

515
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Speaker 2: an injury because South Carolina players they didn't call for

516
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 2: a fair catch on a kickoff, but they like extended

517
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Speaker 2: their arms as what you usually do when you're gonna

518
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Speaker 2: let the ball go. So hold on, pause, back pause

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Speaker 2: right there, Sorry, continue.

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Speaker 1: No, No, this was the story. Actually that came out

521
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Speaker 1: of this. Of course, it wasn't so much Illinois winning.

522
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Speaker 1: It was, oh, we almost had a fight, or we

523
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Speaker 1: had an argument between Shane Beemer. If he saw some

524
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Speaker 1: of the cliffs of it, he was heated. So explain

525
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Speaker 1: again what led to this kind of altercation.

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Speaker 2: So, as far as I can tell, it was Brett

527
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Speaker 2: Bilma coming out onto the field to check on an

528
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Speaker 2: injured player when Illinois was on defense, and the injury

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Speaker 2: happened around the South Carolina bench, and so there was

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Speaker 2: just like a gathering of South Carolina people, coaches and

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Speaker 2: players and stuff nearby, and Brett Bielima taunted with a

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Speaker 2: referees signal what basically the players were doing, which was

533
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Speaker 2: holding out their arms to indicate that they weren't going

534
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Speaker 2: to catch a kickoff, and then caught the kickoff and

535
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Speaker 2: tried to do a trick kickoff return play, and so

536
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Speaker 2: Brett Bielma thought it was bush league he taunted Shane Beemer.

537
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Speaker 2: Shane Biemer after the fact said he cleared the move

538
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Speaker 2: with I think it was a big twelve officiating crew,

539
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Speaker 2: and Brett Bielima started cracking up as Shane Beemer had

540
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Speaker 2: to be held back and was yelling across the field.

541
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Speaker 2: A lot of energy here, and at the end of

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Speaker 2: the day, Illinois wins ten this year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, twenty one to seventeen. They get the better of

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Speaker 1: South Carolina. So that was definitely a story.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The other big one that I think has risen to

547
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Speaker 1: the surface and we haven't had a chance to talk

548
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Speaker 1: about this. I'm glad it's coming up. Iowa State wins

549
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 1: the Pop Tart's Bowl. Okay, good on Iowa State. First

550
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: time in program history that they got eleven wins. I believe,

551
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Speaker 1: the first time in program history that they finished with

552
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Speaker 1: more than nine wins in a season, close game forty

553
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Speaker 1: two to forty one final. The story in this one, though,

554
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,400
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with that. The story was cam

555
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Speaker 1: Ward Miami quarterback Camboard soon to be high first round pick. Camboard.

556
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Speaker 1: Seems that Way played in this one for a half.

557
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: He played in it for one half. He came in

558
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Speaker 1: long enough to set the career record for passing touchdowns

559
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Speaker 1: like Division one in Division one, Yeah, previously held by

560
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: case Keenum nine fbs. To be clear, it was Division one,

561
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Speaker 1: Division one, which is a lot of them were at

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Speaker 1: incarnate Ward, Yeah, that's correct.

563
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Speaker 2: Word.

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Speaker 1: Division one gets the passing touchdown record one hundred and

565
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Speaker 1: fifty six for his career, which is a crazy amount

566
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Speaker 1: opts out at halftime. Now, Jacolby George also did the

567
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 1: same thing. He wasn't alone, but there was I think

568
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Speaker 1: a fair amount of online chatter about, Wow, what does

569
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Speaker 1: what does this mean? How should we feel about cam Ward?

570
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Speaker 1: Does this affect.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be the first question that an NFL

572
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 2: GM is gonna ask cam Ward. Are they going to say,

573
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 2: is this guy a competitor?

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Speaker 1: Yes? Exactly. My first thought upon seeing this was, I

575
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Speaker 1: can't believe he did that. If it were me, there's

576
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Speaker 1: no way I would do that. Yeah, I would not

577
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Speaker 1: be able to go back into the locker room and

578
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: come out at halftime see my team losing and be

579
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Speaker 1: cool with that.

580
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. Not injured by any account, not injured. Mario Christamaal

581
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 2: didn't give details about it. He was just like, you know,

582
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 2: we're just going to keep that inside the night. So

583
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 2: that was that.

584
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Speaker 1: But that's like speaking on a very very personal level.

585
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: How I would sure I am not anywhere near as

586
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: athletic and fielding this football game as total as cam Ward.

587
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: So I think my revised feeling on the matter is

588
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: especially now in this era of opt outs and everybody

589
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: kind of watching out for themselves, especially in these exhibition

590
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: Bowl games. I think I have made peace with this.

591
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: I think I have made peace with this. It's definitely

592
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: a bit of a different approach. But if everybody else

593
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: is opting out anyway, what difference does it make if

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Speaker 1: you play half the game or part of the game

595
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: or none of the game. You know, and opt outs

596
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: and opt outs and opt out, it all kind of sucks.

597
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, And look, I we we don't sort of hand

598
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 2: ring anymore. When Ricky White or Luther Burden or Pat

599
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 2: Bryan or any of these guys opt out, we were just like,

600
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Speaker 2: hey man, thanks for all the entertainment and good times

601
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 2: watching your team. Christian McCaffrey opted out, like a lot

602
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 2: of huge names have done it. Barclay, I think this

603
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 2: this I will put in the two things can be

604
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 2: true thing, Like you're just like, yeah, you sort of

605
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 2: get it that it's not actually gonna be a big

606
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 2: deal for his NFL prospects, Like the scouts and gms

607
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 2: and whoever coaches are just gonna care about, like what

608
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 2: can cam Ward do for my team? And what is

609
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 2: his ceiling? As a potential NFL starting quarterback. But at

610
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Speaker 2: the same time, it's kind of weird. We're not gonna

611
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 2: like lose our minds. We're not gonna say, like what

612
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 2: is going on with the youth these days? But you'd

613
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 2: be like, it's a little bit corny to like start

614
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 2: playing a game and then decides you're done playing the game.

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Speaker 1: It's different. It is definitely different, and I'm not gonna

616
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Speaker 1: act like I'm completely comfortable with it.

617
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 2: I think I've just peace with it. You're just like, hey, man,

618
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 2: like you see like the Miami fans digging in on

619
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Speaker 2: one side, you see like the moralizing fans on the

620
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 2: other side. You're just like, I don't know, can we

621
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Speaker 2: all just agree that, Like it's unusual and a little

622
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Speaker 2: bit different and weird for a player to be like, yeah,

623
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Speaker 2: I'm good, two quarters is plenty. Yeah, Like, I get

624
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Speaker 2: setting a record be important to you, but like, I

625
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 2: don't know if anybody's gonna remember that cam Wards set

626
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 2: this record in three weeks, and so maybe he will

627
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 2: and his family will, and that's great and cool by them.

628
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 2: It is a little bit corny, ty, It is a

629
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Speaker 2: little bit corny.

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Speaker 1: I get I completely get it. It's different. It's different.

631
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Speaker 1: We haven't seen this version of opt outs all that often.

632
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 2: To go through like stretching and game planning. And there

633
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 2: were a couple of plays which I actually admire, where

634
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 2: he just went fully casual dress flat feet. The offensive

635
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 2: line was protecting him to such a crazy degree against

636
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 2: the Iowa State Passbush, who was like, Okay, let's all

637
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 2: just take a beat here and figure out who's open. Okay,

638
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:42,479
Speaker 2: you're open. Yeah, corny and weird, but I know. I

639
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 2: hope he makes seven hundred million dollars in the NFL

640
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 2: and has a long, successful, happy life.

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Speaker 1: Shout out to the best of all rocos. By the way,

642
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: was the pop Tarts Bowl MVP? Yes, and had a

643
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: hell of a game here the pop Tarts did it upright?

644
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: Did it up right? The pomp and circumstance around this

645
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: game is second to none. I agree. Tremendous, absolutely tremendous

646
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: to do a fabulous job. I hope more Bowl games

647
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: take their advice.

648
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 2: Okay, what assume the mascots and consume the mascots, rip

649
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 2: off their outer shell with the giant foil packaging.

650
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what got me about the Pop Tarts Bowl.

651
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: It wasn't the toasted edible mascot. It wasn't all the

652
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 1: build up around it. It was the fact that somebody

653
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: in the marketing department had to foresight to put together

654
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: an in memoriam for what was the strawberry whichever one

655
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: got eaten. Last year they had an in memoriam video

656
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: that they rolled on the Jumbo Tron that clearly had

657
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: some production value, and they just kept going with and

658
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,719
Speaker 1: they really steered into making this like its own universe.

659
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: I loved it.

660
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 2: The only the only thing that gives me pause about

661
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 2: the Pop Tarts bull is concern for the creative people

662
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 2: behind the scenes that like, you can't take a step

663
00:32:58,280 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 2: back next year.

664
00:32:59,080 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: No, you got to keep going.

665
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 2: You gotta keep adding and keep going bigger, and so

666
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 2: it's gonna be more expensive, it's gonna be more violent,

667
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 2: the imagery is gonna be more in your face, all

668
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 2: in good ways, but there's a little bit of the

669
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 2: like remember the like that the David Copperfield specials from

670
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 2: the nineties were like, he's gonna make the Statue of

671
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 2: Liberty disappear than he does, and then he's the next year,

672
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 2: he's gotta be like he's gonna make Earth disappear. We're

673
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 2: just like, like, what is what is David Blaine, who

674
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 2: also was doing that kind of stuff? Gonna like what

675
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 2: was David Blaine doing? He was like suspending himself over

676
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 2: time square. He was sticking needles through his skin. Like

677
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 2: at a certain point you're gonna reach a ceiling of

678
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 2: what's possible creatively.

679
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: You know what?

680
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 2: Take that as a challenge pop Tarts people, Maybe there

681
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 2: is no ceiling. This is what happened with recruiting, announcement ceremonies.

682
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 2: He hit the upper limit, you hit the up. David

683
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 2: Blaine eats an armored car. Okay, ABC, you have my attention.

684
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's that's the only potential issue down the line.

685
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 2: Like what is what I saw Cole Kublick in the

686
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 2: Pop Tarts costume. He looked great. Everything was good.

687
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: BYU Hammered Colorado and the Alma Bowl. You mentioned this earlier,

688
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: thirty six to fourteen. They led twenty to zip at half.

689
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: I was really excited for this game. I was excited

690
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: for this game. This was a matchup but pretty much

691
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: a full boat on both sides. Right, everybody had their

692
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: guys playing in this one. This game was hot. Garbage. Dan, Yeah,

693
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: it was hot garbage. Credit to BYU for shutting down Colorado,

694
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,439
Speaker 1: And I would say, with all due respect to our

695
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: loyal Colorado contingent out there that watches and listens, Colorado

696
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: might have been the one two three Cancun team of

697
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 1: Bowl season, cause there were pretty good chunks of this game,

698
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 1: especially in the first quarter where I was like.

699
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 2: Did they practice?

700
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: I think I was somewhere after this, are they going

701
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: to miss their flight if this game runs too long?

702
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 1: It just I was not getting the vibes that they

703
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: were really into all this.

704
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 2: I think it just BYU was better. BYU had a

705
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 2: very season. They won a bunch of games when they

706
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 2: weren't expected to win as many as they won. They

707
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 2: were right on the edge of going to the Big

708
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,919
Speaker 2: twelve championship game, which obviously Colorado was as well. And

709
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 2: BYU was good. They took this game very seriously. It

710
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 2: seemed like Colorado was through the motions a little bit more.

711
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily think that's commentary on how they built

712
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 2: their team, which I've seen out there that like no, No, No,

713
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 2: Colorado is strictly a transactional It's not like you don't

714
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 2: win games.

715
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: I'm not implying as much, but.

716
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 2: I know I neither am I.

717
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: And we see this all the time with really good,

718
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: even veteran teams that go to bowls.

719
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 2: Teams come out flat.

720
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: You go like, hmmm, we're good, you know. Yeah, I

721
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: just this was not given me any kind of inspiration

722
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 1: on the Colorado side.

723
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 2: And think sometimes you just get your ass kicked, and

724
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 2: Colorado did.

725
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,720
Speaker 1: Speaking of ass kickings, yeah, let's talk about the fight baby.

726
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 2: Mmm. You see UNC State, So in.

727
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 1: Our Bowl Bingo game, we set an over under a

728
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: one and a half for unsportsman like conduct penalties that

729
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 1: would be called in the Military Bowl. This is because

730
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: NC State and ECU are like, it's an actual rivalry.

731
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: They're very close to me. She's a great call by you,

732
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:09,879
Speaker 1: and we got one unsportsman like conduct penalty. You would

733
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: have thought we would have had more given the way

734
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,879
Speaker 1: this game ended in the final thirty seconds, ECU ends

735
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: up winning twenty six to twenty one. There was one

736
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 1: unsportsman like conduct penalty. Yeah, up to that point, what

737
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,760
Speaker 1: we did not anticipate was a bench clearing brawl.

738
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 2: Right.

739
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:29,919
Speaker 1: I didn't want to go there with it. I didn't

740
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: want to be a downer, even though it's kind of

741
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: funny now in retrospect and they play next year, right

742
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 1: like next year? Yeah, yeah, I didn't want to go

743
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: to the bench clearing brawl thing, although the idea of

744
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: fisticuffs definitely crossed my mind when I was putting this

745
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: card together.

746
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 2: But it happens at the end.

747
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: Long story short, it appeared to me NC State defender

748
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: kind of jumps on and was a little a little

749
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,399
Speaker 1: too rough on an ECU player when it didn't have

750
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: to be. This trigger is like a whole thing. Before

751
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: you know it, there's like a ref who gets bloodied up,

752
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: players get ejected. There was not another unsportsmanlike conduct penalty.

753
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 1: I was hoping that we would get another one so

754
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,439
Speaker 1: that somebody could hit the over on this, but we didn't.

755
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: I checked the official game log. There was only one

756
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: twenty six to twenty one caps off. Kind of a

757
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: disappointing year for ANTID.

758
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 2: I would say, so, look, there were there were higher

759
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 2: highs given the start than perhaps we like CJ. Bailey

760
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 2: is absolutely a bright spot for years to come, hopefully

761
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:29,879
Speaker 2: for NSI State.

762
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so there was that, there was the fight.

763
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: What other things stood out to you? I mean you

764
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: see you just ran all over them. Yeah, it was

765
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: the NC State run defense. It was ECU smash them

766
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: on the grounds, going to the run in big moments

767
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: and like I think third and fourth and long. That

768
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 1: was the difference in this game to me. Random factoid

769
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: for you, Dan Rubistein, I'm ready. There was one bowl

770
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 1: game one this entire bowl season, this includes the playoffs.

771
00:37:56,239 --> 00:38:01,240
Speaker 1: One game that was between two conference champions.

772
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 2: One game between two conference champions.

773
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: One game. One game featured two conference champions. You're not

774
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: going to get this.

775
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 2: It was one Jacksonville State and who Jacksonville was. It

776
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 2: was the Cure Bowl between Jacksonville State, Ohio. Oh I

777
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 2: was thinking they played George You're right, absolutely, Ohio minus

778
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 2: Tim Albin and Jacksonville State minus Red Trod.

779
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. So two coaching void situations. Parker

780
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: Navarro ran for three touchdowns through for a fourth. By halftime,

781
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: Ohio was up big, like twenty seven to seven, Yes,

782
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,720
Speaker 1: and then they blew it or almost blew it, almost

783
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: blew it.

784
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 2: Yeah.

785
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: They end up winning thirty to twenty seven. They covered

786
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: the spread, which I think was one and a half,

787
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 1: and they ended up being kind of an interesting game.

788
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: Second half, Jacksonville State came on like a freight train,

789
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,720
Speaker 1: so there was that. Congrats go out to both James

790
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: Madison and Sam Houston first Bowl wins. Yeah, each of

791
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: them got their first bowl win. In JMU beat Western

792
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: Kentucky in the Boca Bowl. By the way, they need

793
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: to call it the Boca Bowl and on Boca Ratone Bowl.

794
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 1: It's called both the Boca Bowl twenty seven to seventeen.

795
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: Sam Houston was the one that beat Georgia Southern and

796
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: they did so in the New Orleans Bowl. So both

797
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: those programs get their first wins, and that is Sam Houston,

798
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: by the way, first Bowl wins. As FBS teams continued.

799
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 2: First Bowl wins FBS team Sam Houston did it without

800
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:22,919
Speaker 2: Casey Keeler, who's the new Temple coach.

801
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: That's right.

802
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 2: If you're listening to this show, Casey Keeler, Angelo's in

803
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 2: South Philly.

804
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: Oh do it?

805
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:28,479
Speaker 2: That's the move.

806
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: That is the move. How about Florida Baby Whoo?

807
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 2: Not a great opening stands for DJ likeway I let's

808
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 2: say started.

809
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: They started with a six to NIERL halftime lead and

810
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 1: then in the second half they they came on a

811
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: lot stronger. You saw the flashes like kind of the

812
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,280
Speaker 1: highs and the lows of DJ Lagway. Yes, the highs

813
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: were undeniable, some of the lows were not. So we

814
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: had two picks, but he went over three hundred yards.

815
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: He had a touchdown.

816
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 2: In the end.

817
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: They end up out gaining two lane five twenty nine

818
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,280
Speaker 1: to one ninety four. They finish the year with eight wins,

819
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: won five of their last seven.

820
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 2: Sometime, yeah, they got like blown out without DJ Lagway

821
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:07,720
Speaker 2: at Texas.

822
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: But yeah, so I think all considered, all things considered,

823
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: with where Billion Napier started this season, to finish with

824
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 1: eight wins with the Bowl win here is a pretty

825
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,240
Speaker 1: good accomplishment for him. He's coming back next year. Obviously,

826
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: They've been doing a lot of work recruiting and otherwise.

827
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 2: So there's John Good, good young receivers, Dallas Wilson who

828
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 2: was signed with Oregon but from I think the Tampa

829
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 2: area is five star receiver coming in. For Florida, they

830
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:36,399
Speaker 2: added j Michael Sturtevant I believe Ucla or Cal. Yeah,

831
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 2: Ucla was at Cal before that, so he showes up

832
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 2: receiver as well. For Florida lost some I think a

833
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 2: couple key dudes on defense to the portal. But all

834
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 2: things considered, that Florida got through this year and ends

835
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,919
Speaker 2: up with with the Bowl eight wins punch a little

836
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 2: bit above where we thought they might be earlier on

837
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 2: in the year.

838
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, did you see the crazy line movement before the

839
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:57,959
Speaker 1: Oklahoma Navy game?

840
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 2: You happen to take note of this. So this one was.

841
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: Like Oklahoma minus ten when they announced the matchup, and

842
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 1: then gradually over the course of a couple of weeks,

843
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: it just kept coming down and down and down and

844
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: down and down, and then eventually before kickoff. I looked

845
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: right before kickoff, it was Oklahoma plus one. That line

846
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: moved that much.

847
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 2: Wow.

848
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: Navy ends up winning by exactly one point. I have

849
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: no idea how this is possible in this universe that

850
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 1: these point spreads can get that damn close. Yeah, twenty

851
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: one to twenty. Navy ends up winning. It was not

852
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: without drama, though. So Oklahoma mounts a thirteen play drive

853
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 1: with about a minute and forty left. They score on

854
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:47,240
Speaker 1: a touchdown pass.

855
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 2: It was really nice play wide open.

856
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, six seconds left, they go for two. They don't

857
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: get it. That is how Navy ends up took a

858
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: sack took a sack. Michael Hawkins, Yeah, Michael Hawkins j

859
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: to takes a sack. Oklahoma ends up with the low.

860
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: They finished the year six and seven with a loss

861
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: to Navy. So good win for Navy, bad loss for Oklahoma.

862
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 1: This is not something that's going to inspire a whole

863
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 1: lot of confidence now going into the off season.

864
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 2: I think we're going into the John Mattier era. Tie

865
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 2: But by the way, Navy man, how about Navy's here,

866
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 2: Brian Newberry getting to they got to double digit wins. Yes,

867
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 2: they did. Blake Corvath with a ninety five yard touchdown run,

868
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 2: a Navy record, straight up the gut. Now we're talking

869
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 2: about an Oklahoma team absolutely struggle on offense. Has made

870
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 2: changes to the offensive coaching staff lost there I think

871
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 2: defensive coordinator as well to West Virginia and Rich Rod

872
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 2: I believe, and so certainly changes for Oklahoma on the sideline,

873
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 2: and hopefully the offense with John Mattier and receiver health

874
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 2: and portal help and offensive line health is a lot

875
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 2: more competitive in the SEC. But they still recruited at

876
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 2: a really high level and they have been for the

877
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 2: past couple of years. They have need to see it.

878
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 2: You know, see the players stay healthy. See the portal

879
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 2: editions work out both coming in and leaving. Uh yeah,

880
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 2: I'm gonna choose to use this as positive Navy spin

881
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 2: that after a couple down years for Navy, both Navy

882
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 2: and Army, and Navy beat Army finished strong.

883
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: Army hammered LA Tech.

884
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 2: Yes they did, and they don't like being called latech

885
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 2: But what are you gonna do? Louisiana Tech exp I

886
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 2: know they didn't have much choice in this game. They

887
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 2: just found out like four hours before the game that

888
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,399
Speaker 2: they were going to play it. Because Marshall, the entire

889
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 2: team opted out of playing in the Bowl. Louisiana Tech

890
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,720
Speaker 2: gets the invite. It is not enough notice.

891
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: It's kind of never enough notice to play an option team,

892
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: especially a team like an Army or a Navy. One

893
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 1: of these service academies. They don't have to deal with

894
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 1: transfers for the most part, it's always going to be

895
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 1: a full boat. They ran for three twenty one in

896
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 1: the Independence Bowl, So good on Army.

897
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 2: Did you? I'm almost positive though Army lost a running

898
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 2: back to as Army had a running back, one of

899
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 2: the running backs chance to Arizona State. And this is

900
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 2: not my thought because I just happened to see it online.

901
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 2: Could you think of a more dramatic environmental change? No

902
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 2: than West Point to Tempe. No, it's great, No, experiencing

903
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 2: the full spectrum of what college towns have to offer

904
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:28,919
Speaker 2: and college football experiences have to offer. And it's Kanye Udo.

905
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 2: I apologize if pronounce that wrong. Is the running back

906
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,240
Speaker 2: in question here? So yes, it doesn't happen all that often,

907
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 2: but it does not does. We had.

908
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: A random shootout in the Rate Bowl between k State

909
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: and Rutgers. M Yes, a comeback from k State.

910
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 2: They needed to come back.

911
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: From a thirty four to seventeen deficit in like the

912
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 1: final quarter and a half A Dylan Edwards gamewards of

913
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 1: DJ Giddens. Yeah yes, Dj Giddens was out opting out

914
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: for the NFL Draft. Ostar Kylemano Guy was also out

915
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: on the Rutgers side preparing for the NFL Draft. Rutgers

916
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: had that lead, but big game for Avery Johnson, big

917
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: game for Dylan Edwards, who had transferred over before the

918
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: season from Colorado. They ended up winning this one by

919
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 1: a forty four to forty one final. That was a shootout.

920
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: We also had another shootout in the Vegas Bowl. This

921
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: one wasn't quite as unexpected, but still I think had

922
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: a more interesting result than maybe we thought going in

923
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: USC and Texas A and M. Yeah, eight hundred and

924
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,240
Speaker 1: forty three total yards, USC one thirty five to thirty one.

925
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: We joked around on the Bingo card that USC was

926
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 1: going to blow a fourth quarter lead. We actually thought that.

927
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: We put that on the Bingo card.

928
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 2: And yet they had a fourth quarter comeback. They had

929
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 2: a fourth guard comeback.

930
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: They were down twenty four to seven at one point,

931
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: I guess in the second quarter, and they needed some

932
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 1: heroics in the very end from Jade. Mayava led them

933
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: on a ten play, seventy five yard drive with about

934
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 1: a minute and a half left to get the game

935
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: winning score. So us you with the big Bowl win

936
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 1: in the Vegas Bowl over Texas A and M. That

937
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: was nice.

938
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 2: I appreciate Jade and Mayova's commitment to stuff. I appreciate

939
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 2: that like some you see it with NBA players sometimes

940
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 2: where you're like, I don't know if this player is good.

941
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 2: But they had three steals and two blocks and four

942
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 2: tip passes, and they were three for three from three

943
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 2: and like they just stuff a stat box. Yeah, Jade Mayova,

944
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 2: And I love that this was in Vegas because it

945
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 2: just it brings this home even more. He's a quarterback buffet, right,

946
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 2: you want some crab legs, you want some Tierra may

947
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 2: Sue on your plate. Jade Mayov is gonna bring it all.

948
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 2: Four touchdown throws, three picks. He's gonna make some super

949
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 2: horrific decisions. Sometimes it'll work out, sometimes it won't. But

950
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:53,280
Speaker 2: he's here to stuff that plate full of crab claws

951
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 2: and Tierra may Sue.

952
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,919
Speaker 1: King crab krab legs. Baby, that's what he's got.

953
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 2: That's in a good way because that crab legs have

954
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 2: not always been to so it in a good way

955
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 2: with quarterbacks in college football. But Jade Mayava, I mean

956
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 2: this as a compliment. Thank you for bringing action to

957
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 2: any college football game you play in.

958
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:13,280
Speaker 1: We had, speaking of food, a nice little pan searing

959
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: okay by LSU of Baylor in the Texas Bowl, like

960
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 1: very quick lead thirty four to seventeen at halftime, got

961
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: that nice thick outer or crust, and then in second

962
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: half they fumbled and threw a pick on their next

963
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 1: two drives. Got a little bit closer. This one is

964
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 1: never really in doubt. It was never really that close.

965
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 1: They end up cruising to victory here. But LSU with

966
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 1: the bowlwin. That was one of those games that you

967
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: and I talked a lot about in the build up

968
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,760
Speaker 1: because I think it was either LSU or even Baylor

969
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:49,280
Speaker 1: minus one is a low point spread, and in reality

970
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: it just ended up being all LSU.

971
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 2: LSU and another like stat stuffer this year just in

972
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 2: terms of the types of games they were playing, and

973
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 2: a little gumpy this year. But like, oh they're involved

974
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 2: with the USC there. Oh, they're involved with a UCLA narrative. Oh,

975
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 2: they're involved with South Carolina crazy back and forth and

976
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 2: Lenora Sellers gets hurt and it's Robbie Ashford. Like they're

977
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 2: involved with an old Miss game that goes crazy, like

978
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 2: it wasn't always pretty. But LSU is in the.

979
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 1: Thick of thick of conversation, good Ole Miss hung You

980
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: mentioned Ole Miss. They hung fifty two on Duke in

981
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 1: their bowl game. Jackson Dart at a huge game. He played, yes,

982
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: four hundred, passing around four to fifty total yardage. He

983
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:33,320
Speaker 1: is going pro. Yeah, I am extremely curious to see

984
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 1: what the Draftnicks think about Jackson Dart. I really like

985
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: Jackson Dart. I think Jackson Dart is at worst the

986
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: third quarterback off the board in the upcore.

987
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 2: Really Okay, I don't, I'm not. This is not my

988
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 2: area of just I don't pay attention to it at all.

989
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 2: Who are the top names right now?

990
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: The top names are Shador and cam Ward okay, and

991
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,399
Speaker 1: then after that you've got guys at Carson Beck coming

992
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 1: off injuries, not going to be that high of a

993
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 1: draft pick. No, possibly a guy like a Quinn Yours

994
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: coming out. We have to wait and see. I mean,

995
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: there are all sorts of rumors floating around about him

996
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 1: right now. It's just not that loaded of a.

997
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 2: Jalen Milrowe, Yeah, mill Row, excuse me, Alabama yours, Will

998
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,720
Speaker 2: Howard Tyler Shuck, Kyle McCord.

999
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: Someone's gonna pick Kyle McCord. I know, I don't. I

1000
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: don't feel particularly confident about a guy like a Riley Leonard.

1001
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:31,720
Speaker 1: He could be interesting, but if you look up and down, yeah,

1002
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: Jackson Dart's got room to grow on this on this

1003
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: list right here, and I think especially since there are

1004
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: some real questions about cam Ward Shadoor Sanders at the

1005
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: very top and how their games translate to the NFL.

1006
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 1: Not so much knocking those guys, but I think Jackson

1007
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: Dart's gonna be in that conversation come, you know, four

1008
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: months from now.

1009
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 2: I didn't. I don't think I realized how shallow this

1010
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 2: class was.

1011
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: Yeah it is.

1012
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 2: Why didn't true Aller declare, what are you doing? Dude?

1013
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 2: Get overpaid?

1014
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1015
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 2: Be the number fourteen pick. Okay, we'll see.

1016
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: So anyway, Jackson Dart had had a good game, kind

1017
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: of kicking things off right in his pursuit of the

1018
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:15,359
Speaker 1: NFL ole miss with a very very big win Lane Kiff,

1019
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 1: and still has not stopped tweeting, by the way, great

1020
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: he's still going to town on here on his stuff. Here.

1021
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,720
Speaker 1: What else do we got? Did you watch the Pinstripe Bowl?

1022
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 2: I did.

1023
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: This game was unwatchable. This is an unwatchable football game.

1024
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 1: This was Nebraska, this was Boston College. It was Nebraska's

1025
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 1: first bowl win since twenty fifteen in the vaunted Foster

1026
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,399
Speaker 1: Farms Bowl. Dan, we all remember the Foster Farms Bowl.

1027
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 2: Of course, that's what San Francisco or Santa Clair, wherever

1028
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 2: somewhe Claire. That's right.

1029
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: I watched this one up at Mama H's. It was

1030
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: a pure mud bowl. We switched over to The Lincoln

1031
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:55,240
Speaker 1: Warrior on Netflix. About Midwich, I mean, it's it's fine. Yeah,

1032
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: I enjoy I'm not that critical of my TV. So

1033
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 1: as long as he keep me mildly entertained, I mean.

1034
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean that's basically what it says on the

1035
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 2: charter of the solid verbal. Let's just keep people mildly entertained.

1036
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: That's right. I practice what I preach. I watched The

1037
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 1: Lincoln Lawyer. It's fine. I enjoyed it.

1038
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 2: The Pinstripe Bowl is tough, though. I will say Ramier Johnson, yes,

1039
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 2: good story. Lost his mother this year. Was the MVP

1040
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 2: in this game is from New York, so that is

1041
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 2: a cool story. That's cool for Nebraska football, as they

1042
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 2: themselves will see active in the portal once again lost

1043
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:28,919
Speaker 2: their defensive coordinator Floor State, Tony White.

1044
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 1: Yep.

1045
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 2: So there'll be changes, but I anticipate twenty twenty five

1046
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 2: for Nebraska. You can write this down. It's gonna be

1047
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 2: another Matt Rule type year, Like they can go eleven

1048
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,280
Speaker 2: and one with the number one hundred and four offense.

1049
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 2: Like it's just gonna be a Matte rule. Yer, that's

1050
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 2: you know, you hire Matt rule, you get Matt.

1051
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: Rule, yet met rule.

1052
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 2: That's where we are.

1053
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 1: I have here about PJ Fleck getting the mayo dumped

1054
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 1: on him, the Mayo bath enthusiastically. By the way, there

1055
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: is nobody in college football. I shouldn't say nobody. He

1056
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: is one of a select few in college football that

1057
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: was built to have that Mayo bath.

1058
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 2: I mean literally like his the clean, smooth nature of

1059
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 2: his skull. It's pouring mayo down a water slide. It

1060
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:15,359
Speaker 2: was great.

1061
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: Now what I do in it?

1062
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 3: So?

1063
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:20,879
Speaker 1: Okay, Minnesota wins its eighth straight bowl game. PJ won

1064
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 1: his sixth straight bowl game. Yeah, took them a while

1065
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 1: to get warmed up in this one, but then pretty

1066
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 1: much put it on ice with a big second quarter. Yeah,

1067
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 1: it was against a Virginia Tech team that was pretty

1068
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: hollowed out. They had fourteen new starters playing in this one.

1069
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: I don't know what direction Virginia Tech's head. We're gonna

1070
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 1: have to talk about that in the offseason. But yeah,

1071
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: really nice showing from Minnesota in the very end. My

1072
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 1: only question about PJ with the Mayo bath. You're right,

1073
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: very aerodynamic, right with the with the hair situation. I

1074
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,320
Speaker 1: want to know what it was like trying to peel

1075
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 1: that pull over off afterwards.

1076
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's is Mayo a natural lubricant?

1077
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:08,399
Speaker 1: I don't. I've never been in that amount of maybe.

1078
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 2: Well, like you hear like when like a kid gets

1079
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 2: their arms stuck in a crib, right, so you go, butter,

1080
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 2: you know, you got to slick it up or soap

1081
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,240
Speaker 2: or something like that. I would imagine. I mean, Mao's

1082
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 2: what it's whipped egg whites.

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Speaker 1: It does it does stick though, there is a sticky quality.

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Speaker 2: I guess.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I just can't imagine after an entire game of

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Speaker 1: probably sweating that thing. He's always wearing it a size

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00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 1: and a half too small. You know this about PJ. Fleck,

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00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 1: That's just kind of his brand. So to dump Mayo

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Speaker 1: on top of that, I just like he needed a

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Speaker 1: shoehorn to get that thing off afterwards. I would like

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00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 1: to know more about that process and what that was

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00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 1: like for him in the locker room.

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Speaker 2: Did you see that there was a mystery celebrity mascot

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00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 2: involved in the Duke's Mayo bowl and there was like

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00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 2: there were media members tweeting out They're like Hey, there's

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Speaker 2: buzz that this mascot is like a full on performer,

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00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 2: famous person, and that was a good tease to see

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Speaker 2: who the mascot was. It turned out to be flav

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Speaker 2: Of Flav was the Mayo bowl mascot. But in my head,

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Speaker 2: I was just like, Okay, let's narrow. There's a cross

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Speaker 2: section where like, you need to be famous enough for

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Speaker 2: there to be buzz, but you need to be perhaps

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00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 2: not as famous as he used to be to accept

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Speaker 2: the job to be a mayonnaise mascot in Charlotte, North Carolina. Uh,

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Speaker 2: I was trying to figure out who fit that perfect.

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Speaker 1: Ken Jong that's ken Jong written all over it. Ken

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Speaker 1: Jong is a very good guest, and he's he's ready

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Speaker 1: on that Masked Singer show, isn't he right?

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Speaker 2: So it's it's sort of a cousin of the masked singer.

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Speaker 2: In my head, I went with Julia White as I

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00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 2: haven't heard that name in But the problem, of course

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00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:44,479
Speaker 2: is maybe I just saw him on Instagram or something

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00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 2: like that. I was like, that would be a really

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00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 2: good to get the man formerly known as Steve Herkle

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00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 2: or Stefan or Kel, depending on your vantage point, to

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00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 2: be the Mayo Bowl mascot, but it was not. I

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Speaker 2: mean it has you know, sports experience was a good

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00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 2: basketball player, so flavor Fly fits that perfectly as well.

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00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 2: So good choice by them. And you know what it was, PJ.

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Speaker 2: Flick was very excited he was to have flavor Fly

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Speaker 2: flavor Flavor in his life.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, no, no, this was this was perfect for PJ.

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Speaker 1: I thought he represented the spirit of the Mayo's Bowl

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Speaker 1: Mayo Bowl well.

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Speaker 2: And Minnesota played well, a nice complete win to finish

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Speaker 2: off a mostly successful year from Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: I think I hit all of my talking points here

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Speaker 1: from the showings that I jotted down just through bowl season. Again,

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00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 1: this was never intended to be a comprehensive review of

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00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: everything that transpired, just things that we found interesting. Is

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00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,840
Speaker 1: there anything that you still have on your list?

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00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:42,320
Speaker 2: I mean Clark Lee and Diego Pavia with a nice

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00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:45,399
Speaker 2: win over Georgia Tack, who I mean they were without

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00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:47,800
Speaker 2: a I mean Eric Singleton didn't play, he transferred to

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00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 2: Auburn good receiver for Georgia Tack. But by and large,

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00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 2: another nice win for Vandy year like they did for

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00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:57,840
Speaker 2: Pavia both through the air and on the ground, and

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00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 2: at this moment, he'll be back next year on what

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00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 2: happens with appeals. I mean, he got a stay, I

1140
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 2: believe because he played in junior college to get another

1141
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 2: year of anil opportunity. And so we'll see, we'll see

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00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 2: what happens with that. And excited if we get more

1143
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 2: Diego pave in our life. But also a good year

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00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,879
Speaker 2: for Georgia Tech all things considered, starting out the year

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00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:20,280
Speaker 2: beating Florida State, which the tenor of that win changed

1146
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:21,799
Speaker 2: over the course of the year, but all the same,

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00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 2: it's better to win in Ireland than lose. And Haines

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00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 2: King Jamaal Haines. You know, Haines King an impressive year

1149
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:30,439
Speaker 2: playing through the pain that he had. So I thought

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00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 2: that was impressive from Vandy to finish the year with

1151
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 2: a win. They get to I think seven wins with

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00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 2: that one. I'm trying to look at what else I

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00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 2: have down here. I think we covered everything else that

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00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:43,840
Speaker 2: I want to say. I mean, I mentioned Taylor.

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00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 1: Green though Washington was kind of a fun game.

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00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 2: Louisville scored twenty four. Only team in America I think

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00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 2: scored twenty four plus points in every game they played

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00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:51,359
Speaker 2: this year.

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00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, Louisville ends up winning by a thirty five to

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00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: thirty four score over Washington. I had Washington plus the

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00:56:58,560 --> 00:56:59,240
Speaker 1: two and a half.

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00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 2: It was another two point conversion for the win situation.

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00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 1: Yeah Washington, Yeah, I had Washington plus two and a

1164
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:08,879
Speaker 1: half on that one and was definitely sweating the ending

1165
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 1: but close game thirty five thirty four, as Louisville gets

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00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 1: to nine wins on the season, sort of a anonymous nine

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00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 1: wins to say the least. I mean it was not

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00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 1: publicized that that much, if only because in some of

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00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 1: their bigger games Louisville, you know, against Notre Dame, some

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00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 1: others they I don't know why, Yes, I don't know

1171
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 1: if Ouliville was ever really thought to be a serious threat.

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00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: They were good enough to be in a lot of

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00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: those games. The SMU game, the Miami game for a while.

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00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 1: They end up winning this one here, Tony. The Tiger

1175
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 1: Sun Bowl out nel passa.

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00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 2: Lost to two playoff teams, an SMU, Notre Dame, but

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00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 2: beat a playoff team on the road in Clemson.

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Speaker 1: Oh there's one other one that I forgot to mention,

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00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 1: what you got Music City Bowl? M This was the

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00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 1: Iowa Mazoo game. Yes, this is a better game than

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00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: I expect. I mean we circled this as one of

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00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 1: the better games going in. Yeah, yeah, this was better

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00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 1: than expected. Miszoo needed to come back from ten down

1184
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 1: to beat Iowa. They ended up winning twenty seven to

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00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 1: twenty four. He had some opt outs here, right, He

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00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 1: had Caleb Johnson, who's going pro the running back for Iowa,

1187
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 1: by the way, a really good running back crop this year. Yes,

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00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 1: Luther Burden was out on the Missoo side. I saw

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00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 1: theo Weese got hurt. I believe did not play the

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00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 1: second half, missed some Yeah, yeah, yeah, some portion of

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00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 1: this game. Normally it's Iowa winning the war of attrition,

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00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 1: but in this case, I guess it was Missoo getting

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00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 1: the better of them again by a twenty seven to

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00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 1: twenty four score. In the Music City Bowl.

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00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 2: Miszoo finishes with what record this year?

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00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:46,919
Speaker 1: Missouri finishes with a ten and three record?

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00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 2: Ten and three record, that's right. Got shelled in a

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00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 2: couple of those losses by what Texas A and M

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00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 2: and Bama, that's right. And it was a you know,

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00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 2: a Drew Pine element, let's just say the least, but

1201
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 2: another really successfully here. Mzoo had a had an ideal

1202
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 2: schedule though to go through the SEC and it's didn't

1203
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 2: work out.

1204
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 1: It's disappointing.

1205
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 2: Is still in a good place. We'll see what happens.

1206
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 2: They lost a huge defensive lineman. I want to say

1207
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 2: they our defensive line recruit freshmen from this past year,

1208
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 2: but I don't know. I feel like the program's in

1209
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 2: good shape. It is indeed, all right, I think that's

1210
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 2: it for now. Okay, for sure.

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Speaker 1: this far. I'm excited for the weekend ahead, Dan. We've

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Speaker 1: got big football games on the horizon, college football. If

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Speaker 1: you're into pro football that's starting up, it's it's going

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Speaker 1: to be a good one.

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Speaker 2: Hope everybody's I'm in on the Chargers tie we got

1247
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 2: Justin Herbert, we got Jim Harbaugh, we got I don't

1248
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Speaker 2: know it is Derwin James on the Chargers. I think

1249
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Speaker 2: he is. There's a lot of fun players on the Chargers.

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Speaker 2: Send No. Forty nine ers. I'm gonna go with an

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Speaker 2: Oregon duck here and Justin Herbert and guess guess who

1252
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Speaker 2: they're playing? TI, Do you know who the Chargers are playing?

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Speaker 1: Are they playing the Texans?

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Speaker 2: They're playing the Texans? And what did I need in

1255
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 2: my life? An Oregon quarterback against an Ohio State quarterback

1256
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 2: with all the baggage there, We'll see what happens, all right.

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Speaker 1: Well, everybody, stay safe, stay warm out there. We will

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Speaker 1: talk to you all soon in the meantime. For that guy,

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Speaker 1: Dan Rubens team for myself, Hi Hillebrandt. Thank you again

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