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Speaker 2: And then I guess, in the hardest turn of all time,

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Speaker 2: what's going on with the seasfire?

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Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, all right, let's goad and put this up

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Speaker 1: on the screen from the Financial Times. This is some

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Speaker 4: Now, just as a reminder.

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Speaker 1: Here, the basic idea was a four day ceasefire. Hamas

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Speaker 5: Beginning this morning, under a deal reached by extensive US diplomacy,

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Speaker 2: And I think that's what really all of us should want,

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Speaker 2: Right, So it's interesting too to also see those air

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Speaker 2: But one of the reasons why they can't resign or

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Speaker 2: I mean, so the security failure is so multifaceted that

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Speaker 2: inside is like, now, what what are we doing here?

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Speaker 3: Exactly?

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Speaker 2: Because the hostage bring our people back is of course

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Speaker 3: What's the forward position?

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Speaker 1: Well, and even if you just have like the women

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Speaker 4: Boebe is very.

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Speaker 4: He's finished.

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Speaker 1: The Israeli public is disgusted with him. If elections were

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Speaker 1: But this is also a person who has been a

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Speaker 2: You know, the Israeli domestic political situation is very fraud

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Speaker 3: They're like, listen, we've.

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Speaker 4: There's nothing left.

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Speaker 1: More women and children have been killed in Gaza in

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Speaker 1: less than two months than the roughly seventy seven hundred

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Speaker 1: civilians document is killed by US forces and their international

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Speaker 1: allies in the first year of the invasion of Iraq

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Speaker 1: in two thousand and three, and the number of women

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Speaker 1: and children killed is starting to approach the roughly twelve

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Speaker 1: four hundred civilians documented to have been killed by the

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Speaker 1: US and his allies in Afghanistan during nearly twenty years

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Speaker 1: of war. So it gives you a sense of just

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is something different that we're seeing here.

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Speaker 1: There is no comparison in terms of modern history of

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Speaker 1: the amount of attacks on civilian infrastructure, the amount of

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Speaker 1: women and children and civilians that are killed.

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Speaker 4: And one of the things that struck me here.

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Speaker 1: Soccer that I thought you might pick up on, because

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Speaker 1: something we've been talking about is there are a lot

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Speaker 1: of comparisons made to our campaign in Mosul, and they

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Speaker 1: talk about how when we were when we were in Mosol,

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Speaker 1: we even thought five hundred pound bombs were too much

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Speaker 1: because it's this densely packed urban area. Well, Israel has

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Speaker 1: been routinely dropping two thousand pound bombs. Again, we said

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Speaker 1: five hundred pound bombs, that's too much. There routinely dropping

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Speaker 1: two thousand pound bombs on what is one of the

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Speaker 1: most densely packed parts of the entire world.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, actually, this is something I talked a

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Speaker 2: lot about if people are interested. I interviewed Jocko Will, like,

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Speaker 2: this is something I was trying to get at with him.

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Speaker 2: Which is the fundamental difference I think between the way

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Speaker 2: that the US and its partners operated in Iraq and Afghanistan,

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Speaker 2: especially twenty eleven onward and counterizes campaigns and urban even

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Speaker 2: urban combat environments, versus the way that Israel has decided

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Speaker 2: to conduct this war. One of the things that Jacko said,

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Speaker 2: which actually really surprised me. He is like during the

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Speaker 2: Battle over Madi, He's like, I think I called in

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Speaker 2: maybe five air strikes during my entire year. All we

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Speaker 2: did was we were like, we went in, we identified

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Speaker 2: the target, we had our guys on the ground, and

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Speaker 2: that obviously puts you your troops at tremendous amounts of risk.

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Speaker 2: That said, one of the things that US commanders had

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Speaker 2: to mandate for even from that period forward, was we

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Speaker 2: are minimizing civilian casualties because our purpose is to get

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Speaker 2: the civilian populace on our side and to try and

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Speaker 2: separate the terrorists from the overall civilian population. And that's

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Speaker 2: one of the other reasons. If you think too about

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Speaker 2: the calculus of the bin Laden raid, the easiest thing

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Speaker 2: to do for Osam bin Laden was dropped a bunker

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Speaker 2: buster bomb on his compound. The reasons that we decided

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Speaker 2: not to do that as well, it's in Pakistan. Definitely,

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Speaker 2: you're not only going to kill every woman and child

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Speaker 2: in the house, you're going to kill probably in flatten

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Speaker 2: every single building around it. But it's not worth it

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Speaker 2: because it would start an international incident and we would

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Speaker 2: lose more high ground, and so we put our people

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Speaker 2: in a tremendous amount of risk, and we sent them

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Speaker 2: one hundred and sixty miles in this territory to go kill,

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Speaker 2: grab the body, and at the end of the day

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Speaker 2: only you ended up killing people who had a weapon

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Speaker 2: in their hand and you were able to bring it back.

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Speaker 2: I think that's one of the reasons why if you

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Speaker 2: look back on it, it's not only looked back with

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Speaker 2: such like affection, you know, in terms of finally getting

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Speaker 2: the person who killed who was responsible for nine to eleven,

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Speaker 2: is that it didn't come with all of the attendant

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Speaker 2: collateral damage and the you know, the drones that have

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Speaker 2: ended up accidentally hitting a wedding and all these other

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Speaker 2: stains on the US campaign during terrorism, and this highlighted

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Speaker 2: it actually to me the most, which is really the

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Speaker 2: lastlast time America conducted itself was during Vietnam. That was

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Speaker 2: the last time that we did anything like this. And

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Speaker 2: I think we all remember, you know, and can even

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Speaker 2: look at the idea that the entire idea behind the

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Speaker 2: massive bombing campaign form NIX from Nixon to JFK or

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Speaker 2: right sorry to Nixon to LBJ was they were like,

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Speaker 2: we can bomb these people into submission and what they

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Speaker 2: ultimately didn't understand is a we were doing with ideological

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Speaker 2: actor and b that they were just going to conduct

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Speaker 2: a guerrilla warfare and insurgency and outlast us the entire time.

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Speaker 2: So that raises the question of like, Israel, what is

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Speaker 2: your strategy? And this has been my fundamental I think

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Speaker 2: criticism and departure from them is I have absolute sympathy,

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Speaker 2: not even sympathy. I support the idea of killing every

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Speaker 2: person Hamas terrorists who was responsible for this attack. I

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Speaker 2: even support dismantling the organization. But from day one, especially

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Speaker 2: with a lot of their actions, it just remains questionable

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Speaker 2: about what they want in the future. And I would

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Speaker 2: again point people back to that Jocko interview because one

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Speaker 2: of the things that we really established a big area

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Speaker 2: between us and subsequently talking with Darryl Cooper Martyr made podcasts,

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Speaker 2: is that we were like, there has to be a

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Speaker 2: baseline level of trust from the civilian population for this

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Speaker 2: to move forward, because at.

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Speaker 3: The end of this one day, this bombing will end.

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Speaker 2: One day, it will end, and we have to think

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Speaker 2: about what the end state of that is going to be.

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Speaker 2: We can bomb for a month, we can bomb for two,

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Speaker 2: we could bomb for twenty years, as we all found

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Speaker 2: out in Afghanistan, But if we don't have a sustainable

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Speaker 2: political project at the core of that, something will crumble

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Speaker 2: and we'll give ultimately.

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Speaker 3: So in the.

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Speaker 2: Interim, just thousands and thousands of people are dying, and

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Speaker 2: I mean, you can't help on a human level, but

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Speaker 2: think about that pass tragic.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, I mean the number of new Homas militants or

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Speaker 1: other varieties of radicals that are being created by the

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Speaker 1: horrors that are being inflicted on them, like, it's incalculable.

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Speaker 1: So even if if your only concern is long term

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Speaker 1: security for the people of Israel, then this has been

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Speaker 1: a dramatic error and dramatic mistake. And you know, there

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Speaker 1: have been a lot of Natanyahu's been making all these

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Speaker 1: comparisons to World War Two and oh what about the

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Speaker 1: of Drews, like it was fine to kill civilians. Then well,

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Speaker 1: there's a reason why after World War Two, why we

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Speaker 1: had the Geneva Conventions and why we said we can't

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Speaker 1: we can't have wars like this again. We have to

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Speaker 1: put civilians and civilian infrastructure too off limits. And so

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Speaker 1: you know, the basic job description for the soldier to

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Speaker 1: make it you know, at its most basic element is

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Speaker 1: like to get the quote unquote bad guys and to

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Speaker 1: protect the civilians. That is the job description, and yes,

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Speaker 1: that comes at some risk. So it has been I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's been horrifying to watch what is unfolding there, and

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Speaker 1: it's very hard to see what any sort of peaceful

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Speaker 1: path forward from this moment is, even based on what's

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Speaker 1: already been done. Even if they were to stop, even

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Speaker 1: if they were to say now like permanent ceasefire, All right,

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Speaker 1: we're done, that's it. We did enough in terms of hamas,

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Speaker 1: it's impossible to see what the pathward is from here.

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Speaker 2: That's actually my biggest fear is I'm like, you know,

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Speaker 2: you could even end it today. I'm like, but at

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Speaker 2: this point, like, what are you guys gonna do? Because

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Speaker 2: as you laid out, like, at this point, we're in

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Speaker 2: a middle ground strategy. I actually think they've basically box

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Speaker 2: himself into a corner where total war.

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Speaker 3: Is their only strategy.

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Speaker 2: One of the reasons why we had the bombings of

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Speaker 2: Dresden and the fire bombings of Tokyo is and people

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Speaker 2: are interested, they should read Sean mckeekon's book called Stalin's

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Speaker 2: War where he argues vociferously against unconditional surrender against the

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Speaker 2: Germans and against the Japanese controversial view. But the point

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Speaker 2: that he makes is that it basically boxed us in

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Speaker 2: from a technical point of view, where we're like, no anything,

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Speaker 2: but the complete unconditional surrender of Nazi Germany and of

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Speaker 2: Tokyo is acceptable, which means you can destroy seventy percent

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Speaker 2: of their infrastructure and they still will fight because they

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Speaker 2: are not going to capitulate. Now, it's a very controversial opinion,

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Speaker 2: but actually thin he lays it out quite well. And

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Speaker 2: one of the problems of fears I think I have

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Speaker 2: here is at this point, you know, you've destroyed Goad's

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Speaker 2: of city.

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Speaker 3: It's a city of one point one million.

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Speaker 2: Now, what like you think you can just create some

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Speaker 2: sort of like political it looks small occupying force. Well,

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Speaker 2: of course, what they want to do is ship all

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Speaker 2: the Palestindians here. That's a more recent thing that they

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Speaker 2: even laid out in the Wall Street Journal. Shockingly enough,

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about Israeli Kanescent and at members. But let's

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Speaker 2: put that aside, and let's assume that their people are

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Speaker 2: going to remain inside of this place. Well, what are

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Speaker 2: we what is the actual political project that you're pursuing,

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Speaker 2: And I think, you know, they've boxed themselves into a

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Speaker 2: corner where total destruction really and then what you know,

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Speaker 2: buying the future and hoping that the US saves them

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Speaker 2: in the future.

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Speaker 3: It's probably the most likely path.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 3: It's it's possible that.

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Speaker 2: We see some sort of resumption of the ceasefire negotiation

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Speaker 2: all that that there isn't tons of international pressure, But

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Speaker 2: I don't think so. If I had to bet, I

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Speaker 2: would more likely bet on what the Defense Minister actory.

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Speaker 2: It is, like, yeah, we're at the very least gonna

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Speaker 2: see two months remaining of this type of campaign. But

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Speaker 2: you know, I still come back to like, okay, but

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Speaker 2: what happens the day after that? You know, are you

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Speaker 2: just gonna have a massive military presence inside Gaza or

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Speaker 2: around it? Another thing for people don't know, Israel called

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Speaker 2: up three hundred thousand reservists. That is costing them two

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Speaker 2: hundred and eighty million dollars per day. This could bankrupt

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Speaker 2: the entire nation, not alone. It's a small country. If

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Speaker 2: anybody's ever been there, all the military age males are

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Speaker 2: now in the military.

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Speaker 3: There's nobody working Israel.

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Speaker 2: One of their you know, I think real claims is

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Speaker 2: that they've built the first world nation and first world economy.

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Speaker 2: First world economies don't run when all the military age people.

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Speaker 1: Are can and not to mention, you know, Palestinians have

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Speaker 1: been banned from working in Israel, who often did often

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Speaker 1: the lower exactly lower do the you know, the things

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Speaker 1: that the Israelis didn't want to do. Anyone here in

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Speaker 1: the US will be familiar with the types of work

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Speaker 1: that you know, migrant labors in our context does so,

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Speaker 1: and that's also why those Thai citizens were in Israel

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Speaker 1: as well. But yeah, I mean it's a huge, huge

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Speaker 1: economic hit. But I don't know if you saw this article, Sager.

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Speaker 1: We cover Emily and I covered it while you were

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Speaker 1: out about the quote unquote three options for the future,

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Speaker 1: and one of them was push everybody into Egypt, like

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Speaker 1: you know, that ethnic lansing plan that we've been talking about,

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Speaker 1: which is the option that you know many ministers in

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Speaker 1: the COUD party and other security cabinet ministers have been

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Speaker 1: floating and framing it as like oh, humanitarian, they'll they'll

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Speaker 1: get to go wherever they want in the region.

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Speaker 4: So there's that option one of them.

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Speaker 1: Just to show you how what a horrific situation this

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Speaker 1: already is and how preposterous. They're like, we're going to

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Speaker 1: build an artificial island like they do in Dubai, and

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Speaker 1: you know, and we'll just give them, We'll just kive

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Speaker 1: them new land, like well, you know, they'll be totally

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Speaker 1: on an island by themselves. And even in this report,

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Speaker 1: which I think was I want to say it was

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Speaker 1: Times of Israel, but don't quote me on that, they're like, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, Gaza City is so bombed down you can't

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Speaker 1: even rebuild. It be easier just to rebuild like a

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Speaker 1: totally new island, which again, if you're talking about completely

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Speaker 1: pushing two point two million people off of this little

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Speaker 1: strip of land that you have, you know, had imprisoned

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Speaker 1: them in and had pushed them in to already, well

658
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Speaker 1: there's a word for that as well, and it's not

659
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Speaker 1: a pretty one. So in any case, those are the

660
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Speaker 1: sorts of preposterous scenarios that they're floating right now. I

661
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: think tomorrow will cover some of the way the US

662
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: is looking at this. The ideas of putting the Palestinian

663
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Speaker 1: authority in charge, which has its own problems as well.

664
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Speaker 1: But you know, we're already at a place where you know,

665
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Speaker 1: the city, the largest city where over a million people lived,

666
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: has been completely destroyed. You know, taking out Al Shifa

667
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Speaker 1: was kind of like the last piece of taking out

668
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Speaker 1: the a core of Gaza Palestinian civilian life. You've already

669
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Speaker 1: got one point eight million Palestinians displaced, you already have

670
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Speaker 1: at least one in every fifty six Gazins either killed

671
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Speaker 1: or injured. That's where we already are this very short

672
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: time in terms of you know, how long wars normally

673
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: go on into this conflict, as we have this very

674
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Speaker 1: small pause and look towards what the future might be.

675
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Speaker 1: I thought this piece from Haretz, which by the way,

676
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: horats under major assault from Israeli politicians as well, you know,

677
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: threatening to pull their support, et cetera, et cetera, because

678
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: they have done some actually good reporting during this war

679
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: and in general do some good reporting. And we've framed

680
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Speaker 1: them as sort of like the New York Times of

681
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: Israel in terms of their political positioning. Put this up

682
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: on the screen. They had a good report where they

683
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: interviewed Palestinians about what this temporary ceasefire has meant for them,

684
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Speaker 1: and the quote here in the headline our lives have

685
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Speaker 1: been destroyed. Temporary ceasefire offers little relief for Gossen's morning

686
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: lost family and homes. They interviewed This woman Israe, who's

687
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Speaker 1: an English teacher. She's a newlywed, and she said, listen,

688
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: life doesn't go back to normal during a ceasefire. Only

689
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: now do we realize the extent of the destruction. She

690
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: goes on to say, I wish there were no ceasefire

691
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: because basically now she has to see and come face

692
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: to face with how much of her life has been

693
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: destroyed and will never come back. She says, it's a

694
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Speaker 1: parent like the aftermath of an earthquake. Nothing remains as

695
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: it was. What are we guilty of? Israel's problem is

696
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: with the resistance to us. Why hurt civilians? Our lives

697
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: have been destroyed, Our families have been broken. There are

698
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: no houses left, only stones. Another student in Gaza said,

699
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Speaker 1: for Gazans, a four day ceasefire means looking for relatives

700
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Speaker 1: to see if they're dead or alive. It's not just

701
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: about getting food and water. The second priority is bearing

702
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: the dead and giving them their last respects. So that's

703
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Speaker 1: the view from inside the Gaza strips.

704
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I enourage people to read that.

705
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Speaker 2: As we said, it was actually reported by Haretz and

706
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Speaker 2: Israeli media organization. And actually it's funny the more this continues.

707
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Speaker 2: I look to them, at them the Times of Israel,

708
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 2: even people inside of Israel, much more than I do

709
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 2: to so many of our media. And we will give

710
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 2: you a perfect view of why with the Fox News

711
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 2: segment that's coming up. At the same time, there has

712
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 2: been yet another extraordinary confirmation about how the US and

713
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 2: how about the NATO killed a Ukrainian peace East deal

714
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Speaker 2: in the spring of twenty twenty two. Let's go ahead

715
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 2: and play some of this. In this interview, he made

716
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 2: an extraordinary claim. They asked what is the goal of

717
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Speaker 2: the Russian delegation. He said that the Russian delegation thought

718
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 2: to the very last minute that they could pressure them

719
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Speaker 2: into an agreement signing such a deal quote taking neutrality. Neutrality,

720
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Speaker 2: as your call is what the initial demand was. They

721
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 2: said that the main thing for them, and that they

722
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Speaker 2: were ready to end the war in the spring of

723
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, was if they were to take a

724
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Speaker 2: neutrality pledge like Finland.

725
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Speaker 3: A long time ago.

726
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Speaker 2: I've talked about that previously, and that they were to

727
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Speaker 2: give an obligation not to join NATO. Quote factually, this

728
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 2: was the key point. The rest was quote cosmetic and

729
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 2: political additions, like about denotification. The Russian speaking patient, he says,

730
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. He says, why did Ukraine not agree

731
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Speaker 2: to this position? The interviewer asks, and here you come

732
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 2: the critical first to accept this that we would have

733
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Speaker 2: to change our constitution. Now obviously that's something could do

734
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Speaker 2: because their NATO aspiration was written in there. But second

735
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 2: is that there was quote not enough trust to the

736
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Speaker 2: Russians that they would fulfill everything that we could have

737
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Speaker 2: done only these sorts of security guarantees. Quote, we couldn't

738
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Speaker 2: cite something walk away and everybody would relax. But and

739
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 2: the key move is when he talks about better preparation

740
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 2: about how they would move in and that they would

741
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 2: possibly take advantage of any sort of peace deal. Is

742
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 2: he comes in over the top and he confirms that

743
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,879
Speaker 2: it was actually the US and the UK that they're

744
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 2: the ones who said that you should not sign this deal.

745
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 3: Here is exactly he says.

746
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Speaker 2: After we turn from istanbul Boris, Johnson said quote, we

747
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 2: will not sign anything with them. Let's just make war.

748
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Speaker 2: That is the official confirmation now that we have had

749
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 2: from Fiona Hill, from the revelations that came in Foreign

750
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Speaker 2: Affairs months after all of this happened.

751
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Speaker 3: We know that the trip took place Crystal. But this

752
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Speaker 3: is as big as it gets.

753
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Speaker 2: I mean, here, this is a fit if I'm trying

754
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 2: to think about, you know, something similar, maybe the Speaker

755
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 2: of the House, but not even technically because they're separate

756
00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 2: branches of government, but a very high level of fit

757
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 2: a political ally here of Zelenski, who says it outright,

758
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 2: He's like, what they said is they wanted neutrality. They

759
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 2: wanted us to enshrine in our constitution that we would

760
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Speaker 2: not join NATO or it would take away that aspiration,

761
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 2: and that the US, the UK and others were the

762
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 2: ones who came in. What I love about what he

763
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 2: says too, is that the less the rest were quote

764
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 2: cosmetic about all this other stuff, which is obvious. And

765
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Speaker 2: if we think back to twenty twenty two and the borders,

766
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Speaker 2: that the borders that existed at the time, the incredible

767
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 2: amount of fighting and death that has resulted since it's

768
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 2: the best deal they ever would have gotten in those

769
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 2: early days of the war. But we're the ones who

770
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Speaker 2: decided not to. And what is the end result. The

771
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,479
Speaker 2: net result is America is now forgotten about Ukraine. Maybe

772
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 2: not the American people long ago moved past Ukraine. The

773
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Speaker 2: American legislator at this point is willing to, I guess,

774
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 2: look the other way. They'll fight a little bit behind

775
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 2: the scenes. Everybody says that they're with them. But you

776
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 2: have a couple hundred thousand at least Russians and Ukrainians

777
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 2: that are dead combined, probably much more when the official

778
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 2: Kia numbers eventually do come out. The Ukrainian counterfense has

779
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 2: been a disaster. One hundred and fifteen billion dollars of

780
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 2: American weapons stock piles are laying in the eastern Dunboss region.

781
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 3: Half of it is like.

782
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 2: Unexplored in ordinance. The Russian economy is totally mobilized for war.

783
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 2: There has been no coup against Putin. He seemed fine,

784
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 2: better off than ever in some cases, you know, because

785
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 2: he has now total control of the Russian oligarchy. Is

786
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 2: what has been the net result of this. Let's take

787
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 2: the Ukrainians out of it. Net net has this been

788
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 2: a good result for America. This has been a humiliation

789
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 2: for NATO and for the West. And so this is

790
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,479
Speaker 2: our brilliant diplomacy in action.

791
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Speaker 1: Our actions with regard to this war have been monstrous.

792
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Speaker 4: I mean, there is no other way to describe it here.

793
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 1: And yeah, you could say, you know what, there's no

794
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 1: guarantee that Russia would have followed the terms of the deal,

795
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 1: and maybe they would have, you know, taken advantage of

796
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: this momentary pause to regroup, and they just would have reinvaded.

797
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: There's always a chance to do war down the road.

798
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Speaker 1: And by the way, the other thing is like, you

799
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:04,760
Speaker 1: don't have to trust Putin.

800
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 4: We should be negotiating.

801
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: We do all the time with bad actors, and you

802
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 1: know the Taliban or you know North Korea or you

803
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: know Ntnyahu and his government. Like you have to be

804
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: able to come to terms with your enemies, with your

805
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: adversaries if you're ever going to have peace in any context.

806
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: So I think it's important that we take ourselves back

807
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: to that moment because of course, now we have the

808
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: hindsight of history, we know how all of this plays out.

809
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 1: But at that point in time, Ukraine had dramatically overperformed

810
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:40,240
Speaker 1: Russia had dramatically underperformed. You know, they were a mess.

811
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Speaker 1: They were in shambles. Things weren't working, they were getting

812
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 1: stuck in the mud. It was a total catastrophe and

813
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 1: humiliation for Russia at this point nothing had gone according

814
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Speaker 1: to plant. In addition, we had just hit them along

815
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Speaker 1: with you know, our European partners and other parts of

816
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: the world. We had hit them with these massive sanctions

817
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: that it was no telling whether they would be able

818
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: to cope with that. Now, I'm not going to say

819
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: it didn't hurt their economy at all, but now with

820
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: the fullness of time, we can see they were able

821
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: to cope and a doubt. But again, at that point

822
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,280
Speaker 1: in time, they didn't know that, and we didn't know that. Okay,

823
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 1: you also had more domestic political uncertainty at Russia, within

824
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: Russia at that point, so you can see how the

825
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 1: conditions were ripe for Putin to come to the table

826
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Speaker 1: and basically look for a face saving exit because at

827
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Speaker 1: that point every piece of it had been a complete

828
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: catastrophe for him. Well, now, after hundreds of thousands, we

829
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Speaker 1: don't nobody really knows the exact numbers, but of deaths

830
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Speaker 1: and injuries, in combat during that time.

831
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Speaker 4: Now Ukraine is.

832
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: In a much worse, much worse position after their counteroffensive

833
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: you know, effectively failed, certainly didn't accomplish anything close to

834
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: its objectives. After they are struggling desperately with manpower issues

835
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Speaker 1: now let alone you know, equipment and ammunition issues, and

836
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: even their top generals agnowlged this is a stalemate.

837
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Speaker 4: At best at best.

838
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Speaker 1: It actually, reading this Sager, it actually gave me, in

839
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: some ways more sympathy for the all in perspective that

840
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: people are offering here, Because if we're the ones who

841
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 1: are going to the Lenskain Co and saying, no, we

842
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 1: want the war, don't make peace, we want the war.

843
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 1: You're going to fight the war, then we damn well

844
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: should have given them everything that they needed and wanted

845
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: to be able to actually effectively fight that war. And

846
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Speaker 1: so in a sense it gives me more sympathy for them,

847
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 1: and more sympathy for people who are taking that perspective,

848
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: because instead we did this bullshit middle ground of you know,

849
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Speaker 1: slow walking things and I'll eventually we'll give them to you.

850
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Speaker 1: And now we're in this horrific position. They're in this

851
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,800
Speaker 1: horrific position, you know, so many lives have been lost,

852
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: so much destruction ultimately wrought, and for what to be

853
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: in a worst place where whatever deal could theoretically be

854
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: cut today, think one thing you know is you can

855
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: guarantee it will be worse than this deal that was

856
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: on the table that we and Boris Johnson said no,

857
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: we want the war insaid.

858
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Speaker 3: And let's see, let's put this up there.

859
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Speaker 2: We we got a graph here about the number of

860
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Speaker 2: people who were killed. This is just an estimate from Ukraine.

861
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 2: They claim, Let's be very clear, only seventy thousand who've

862
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 2: been killed, one hundred and twenty.

863
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,800
Speaker 1: T These are US official estimates. So again we probably

864
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Speaker 1: are deflating the Ukrainian numbers and inflating.

865
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Speaker 2: It is almost certainly orders of magnitude higher than that

866
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Speaker 2: on the Russian side, we are claiming one hundred and

867
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Speaker 2: twenty thousand dead and one hundred and eighty thousand who

868
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 2: were injured. Again that who knows what that might be.

869
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Speaker 2: It's probably a little bit more accurate. The Russians obviously

870
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Speaker 2: claimed different. The Ukrainians claim three hundred thousand.

871
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 3: Nobody will know.

872
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 2: Really until years from now, when the propagandists have died

873
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 2: at the very least though we know we can look

874
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 2: at a map. Let's put the maps up there, because

875
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 2: the map is what really tells us all of the story.

876
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 2: And when we see from the graph, as you can

877
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 2: see very clearly in March of twenty twenty two with

878
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 2: that advance, and then November of twenty twenty two, which

879
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 2: is right around where things would have looked sometime with

880
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,479
Speaker 2: this peace deal. After April, after the Ukrainians were able

881
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 2: to push them out from most of their territory. You

882
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 2: have about twenty percent of most of their territory in

883
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 2: the north. I mean, they have about twenty percent or

884
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 2: so that they're holding onto throughout Ukraine. And despite their

885
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 2: so called like spring offensive miracle and all of that,

886
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 2: where they have recraaemed some territory, basically it's all frozen

887
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 2: in time ever since then, except hundreds of thousands of

888
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 2: people have been killed and or injured. And I don't

889
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 2: think it's fair to call it a stalemate. It might

890
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 2: be technically from a tactical level on a long enough timeline,

891
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 2: and you can go and look from day one we've

892
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,240
Speaker 2: been saying this. There is the strategic position of Ukraine.

893
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 2: It can never overwhelm the Russian colossus. Russia has more manpower,

894
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 2: they have an actual industry for weapons manufacturing. They have

895
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 2: like a pet petroleum that they're able to sell to

896
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 2: people who don't agree with the US and Western view

897
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 2: of Ukraine. Long enough, they were always going to be fine.

898
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 2: They were going to collapse, they were going to be fine.

899
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 2: And let's put this up there. This is a view

900
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 2: of what it's actually like inside of Ukraine. Now that

901
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 2: we're finally getting some truth from the Western media, and

902
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 2: they're talking about how manpower has become Ukraine's latest challenge

903
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 2: as it digs in for a long war. And I mean,

904
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 2: this anecdote is just terrifying. They talk about a mobilization

905
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 2: center where there are four men lined up at the

906
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 2: army recruitment center. Only one man is there voluntarily. He's

907
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 2: a thirty four year old. The other three were there

908
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 2: because they were drafted. And the other guys that were there,

909
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 2: two of them had previously filled a medical exemption. Because

910
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 2: they had, they prevented them from serving, and not just

911
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 2: any medical Think about this quote. One sided brain damage

912
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 2: from a freak accident. The other has metal plates in

913
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 2: his spine. The fourth is a forty two year old

914
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 2: sales manager with no military experience. He says, quote, I'm

915
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 2: not going to hide it. I honestly don't know what

916
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 2: I can contribute. This fits with the Time magazine profile

917
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 2: of Zelenski, where they let it slip that the average

918
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 2: age in the Ukrainian military is somewhere around forty years old.

919
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 2: And how do averages work. You have a sixty year

920
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 2: old and a twenty year old take the average. That

921
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 2: means that there are enough people on the right side

922
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 2: of the bell curve there for the distribution who are

923
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 2: in their fifties and sixties. As I've said it before,

924
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 2: that is like Army of Northern Virginia eighteen sixty five territory,

925
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 2: where you have teenagers and old men who are holding

926
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 2: the line in Petersburg. That's not where you want to

927
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 2: be from a strategic point of view. And you think

928
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 2: you're going to last like this for years? No, and

929
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 2: even then only if the West continues to pump you

930
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 2: full of ammunition that is depleting our stockpiles to a

931
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 2: historic degree. Strategically, it was never going to make any sense.

932
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 2: You're right, I agree if you hold that position, which

933
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 2: I don't, which is, let's fight on the war and

934
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 2: all that.

935
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 3: Then, yeah, you give them everything.

936
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 2: The problem is at Risks World War three, whenever there

937
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 2: was a consideration of what we can give them and

938
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 2: what we can't, this has been a historic disaster. The

939
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 2: only counterpoint, the real politic response to mine, has been yeah,

940
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 2: but we're degrading Russia's military for only five percent of

941
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 2: our GDP.

942
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 3: Let me tell you something.

943
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 2: We did the Russians a favor, and this sounds cold

944
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 2: blooded because we previewed NATO tactics. We're prepping their military

945
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 2: for fifth generation warfare with all these drones and all

946
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 2: this other stuff. We have wiped out all the useless

947
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 2: commanders that often accumulate in peacetime. They're learning their lessons.

948
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 2: They're fighting the Russian way of war. They're a battle

949
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 2: harm battle hardened enemy right now. They're gonna be more

950
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 2: combat effective today than they were in the early days

951
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 2: of Ukraine. This is cold and it's heartless because people

952
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 2: are like, oh, there's three hundred thousand dead. Yeah, but

953
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 2: the Russians don't care. The Russian military doesn't care. Their

954
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 2: families are the only ones who are. So from almost

955
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 2: every strategic level, we have sharpened the knife that we

956
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 2: apparently were so afraid of. And at the end result

957
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 2: of this, Ukraine is in a way worse position. If

958
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 2: I was Russia, why would I negotiate now?

959
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 3: Today?

960
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 2: You know, the US has forgotten about you. My entire

961
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 2: economy is geared for war. I've run rolling more weapons

962
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 2: and AMMO off the line than all of NATO combined.

963
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 3: I'm just going to keep going.

964
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 2: So we blew the only chance that we had, and

965
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:28,720
Speaker 2: there's going to be some sort of cobble style event.

966
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 7: You know.

967
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 2: David Sacks has now been saying this, and I agree

968
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 2: with him. He's like, they're going to collapse. There's going

969
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 2: to be some sort of political Look at Zelenski, his desperation,

970
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 2: the way he is in these media interviews. You got

971
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 2: all the people around him, and we're admitting that they're

972
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 2: all corrupt as hell, that they're stealing everything that's not

973
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,359
Speaker 2: nailed to the ground. Yeah, I mean, this is what

974
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 2: it looks like in the end days for a lot

975
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 2: of nations. I'm not gonna say it's coming tomorrow, sometime

976
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 2: in the next few years, maybe a decade, who knows

977
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:51,919
Speaker 2: how long this is all going to go. And when

978
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 2: that time comes and eventually the history book is written.

979
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 2: We're going to be really the ones who are at

980
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 2: fault here.

981
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: And now we have US officials who were saying what

982
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 1: we've been saying all along, Oh maybe now it's time.

983
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,359
Speaker 1: Maybe's time to wrap it up now that you know,

984
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: Ukraine is in a much worse position than they were

985
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: at that point. And you know, just look at it

986
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: like we use them, We use them as our own

987
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: little like imperial plaything to try to degrade Russia's capabilities

988
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: and potentially trigger some regime change within Russia and get putin,

989
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 1: get Putin out of there, which of course we always

990
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 1: thought was fanciful and unlikely to succeed.

991
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 4: But that's what we did here.

992
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,760
Speaker 1: All this talk from the beginning of like, oh nothing

993
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: about Ukraine without Ukraine they're really driving the train, has

994
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: always been total and complete bullshit. They're fighting this war

995
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: and they have lost an entire generation of men because

996
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: we wanted them to fight this war. That's the reality.

997
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: And you know, just to take it back to the

998
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 1: beginning here and what that dude was saying in that

999
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: interview revealing the contours of this deal, which you know,

1000
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe he has an incentive to lie about it,

1001
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: But I can't really see what incentive you would have

1002
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 1: at this point in time to lie about what was

1003
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: going on there, especially when other reporting that backs up

1004
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: some of the claims here says okay, well, number one,

1005
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 1: you know our NATO aspirations are in our constitution. Obviously

1006
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: that's something that through a political process they could deal with.

1007
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 1: Number two was we needed security guarantees, which makes sense,

1008
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: right because one of Russia's demands is effectively you're going

1009
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: to have you're going to be militarily degree, you're not

1010
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 1: going to have as many, be as well armed as

1011
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: you are right now, so you would need those security guarantees.

1012
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 4: Well, guess who that also falls to.

1013
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 1: And then the third pieces, and then Boris Johnson came,

1014
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: you know, and said, now we're gonna make war. So

1015
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: all of those pieces ultimately fall on our shoulders. It

1016
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 1: has always been clear we're the ones driving the train.

1017
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: We're the reason this conflict has unfolded as it has,

1018
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 1: and we're the reason ultimately that Ukraine is in such

1019
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: a devastating position right now. And why I agree with Zager,

1020
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: what incentive does Russia have at this point? They can

1021
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 1: see this as clearly as we can they can see

1022
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: how poorly things are going. They can see how time

1023
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: is right now at this point at their side, on

1024
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: their side. So if I mean, if there is some

1025
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: theoretical deal to be had with them, it's going to

1026
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: be a really bad deal for Ukraine. It's going to

1027
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 1: be a much worse deal than what could have been

1028
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 1: had at the beginning. So I mean, just it's honestly,

1029
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 1: it's utterly tragic to think about what could have been

1030
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,839
Speaker 1: if we had actually seriously pursued peace at that time.

1031
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 1: And again, there's no guarantees, right. The fact that you

1032
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 1: have contours of an agreement doesn't mean you have an agreement.

1033
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 1: The fact that Russia agrees to the agreement, you know,

1034
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that they stick to it. They're all sorts

1035
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: of uncertained, no doubt about it. But there was at

1036
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: least a chance that it might have worked out, at

1037
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 1: least a chance that they could have avoided all this

1038
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: carnage and bloodshed, and today that chance is gone.

1039
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 2: I just want to say the last thing, which is this,

1040
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,839
Speaker 2: and this is what I you know, it's all been

1041
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 2: born out, it's being born out in actions, which is

1042
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 2: and what we said from day one, I know This

1043
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 2: is hard. It's hard to hear Ukraine did not matter

1044
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 2: to us, and as we are all watching, what really mattered,

1045
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 2: you know, to the current politicians Israel? Of course, you

1046
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 2: know triumphs that ten times here in Washington. They forgot

1047
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 2: about you instantly, and so I find it disgusting, you know,

1048
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 2: I'm just thinking about the current things. It's a joke

1049
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 2: about whatever the current thing is. First it was afghan girls.

1050
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 2: We had to commit two hundred million dollars a day

1051
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 2: to Afghanistan first, so the girls can Afghanistan could go

1052
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 2: to school.

1053
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 3: You're a monster. If you disagree with that, then you're

1054
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 3: a monster.

1055
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 2: If you disagree with whatever's going on in Ukraine and

1056
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 2: the horrible invasion, you can on a human level, you

1057
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 2: can empathize, But at the base, it's always been this

1058
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 2: military force and military might was developed to protect trade,

1059
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 2: commerce and the American way of life.

1060
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:38,760
Speaker 3: Period.

1061
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 2: In fact, our superpower status obfuscated with the real costs

1062
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 2: all of that are as trade offs become more real,

1063
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 2: and as we all watched, it's even more dehumanizing and

1064
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 2: immoral in my opinion, to give somebody so much hope,

1065
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 2: let them all die, and then abandon them at their

1066
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 2: last stand. I agree, that's way worse than being honest

1067
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 2: from day one and being like, listen, at the end

1068
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 2: of the day, this doesn't matter. Twenty percent of Ukraine

1069
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 2: doesn't affect my life, doesn't affect my economy, sucks for you,

1070
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 2: but you know, what are you going to.

1071
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 6: Do about it?

1072
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 2: And that would everybody would have better off if they

1073
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 2: had done that.

1074
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 1: One of the things I'm talking about in my monologue

1075
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: today is just the utter hypocrisy between how we talk

1076
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: about Ukraine, how we talk about Russia's actions in Ukraine

1077
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: versus how we talk about what Israel's doing in Gaza

1078
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 1: right now. And I have like side by side the commentary.

1079
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 1: But no, I mean to the extent that the US

1080
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 1: had any credibility on caring about, you know, the democracy

1081
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 1: and humanitarianism and the international rule of law and the

1082
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 1: rules based international To the extent we had any credibility

1083
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: which was already in question, that is completely gone. No

1084
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 1: one can look at the Ukraine conflict ands oh, we

1085
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: really cared about democracy and human rights.

1086
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 6: Bullshit.

1087
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Speaker 1: Certainly no one can look at what's happening in Gaza

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00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 1: right now and oh we really care about democracy and

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00:51:56,320 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: human rights? And humanitarian Oh bullshit, bullshit, all of these

1090
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,839
Speaker 1: international rules based order people now to talk about what's

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00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:05,720
Speaker 1: happening on the ground, and Gozza, Suddenly they're.

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Speaker 4: Not judging jury.

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00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: Suddenly they don't really know the definition of what a

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00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 1: war crime, and suddenly they can't really say when they're

1095
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 1: very quick to say previously, oh, Putin's doing a genocide,

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00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 1: look at these war crimes, etc. It's just been used

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00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 1: as a cudgel and a weapon against the countries we

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00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 1: don't like. That's all that it's ever been. And it

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Speaker 1: has never been more clear than.

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Speaker 3: At this moment, well said Crystal.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's move on to a slew of lawsuits

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Speaker 1: filed against a lot of prominent people, but also a

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00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:36,800
Speaker 1: lot of non prominent people. But a lot of prominent

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00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 1: people are what we'll focus on today in New York.

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Speaker 1: These are all civil lawsuits for sexual harassment sexual assault.

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Speaker 1: One of the most noteworthy here, let's put this up

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00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 1: on the screen. Rapper and entrepreneur Sean Diddy Combs accused

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00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: of sexual assaults in two new lawsuits. This comes after

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00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: he had just settled a separate lawsuit with singer Cassie

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00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,399
Speaker 1: last week, after she had leveled some pretty stunning allegations

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00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,760
Speaker 1: about sexual assault that had occurred over many, many years.

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00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,240
Speaker 1: Those two fresh suits, filed to New York's Supreme Court

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00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 1: on Thursday, alleged that he had drugged and sexually assaulted

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00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,280
Speaker 1: one woman in nineteen ninety one and attacked and sexually

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00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 1: assaulted another in nineteen ninety or nineteen ninety one, by

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00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 1: the way, his representatives had not commented in this piece

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00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 1: as of the time that went to publications. So One

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00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 1: of the suits was brought by Joy Dickerson Neil. She

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00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 1: alleges Combs drugs, sexually assaulted, and abused her after a

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Speaker 1: date in New York City in ninety one. She also

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00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: says that he drugged her before videotaping himself sexually her

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00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: assaulting her. The second suit, in which the claimant is unnamed,

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00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 1: allegis that Combs and a friend forced her into having

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00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: sex after a party. It also claims that Colmbs later

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00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: visited the claimant's home and physically assaulted her, choking her

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Speaker 1: until she passed out.

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Speaker 4: In addition, as I mentioned.

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Speaker 1: Before, Cassie had reached a settlement on November eighteenth, the

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Speaker 1: day after she filed a lawsuit accusing him of physical

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00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 1: and mental abuse that spanned roughly a decade. Terms of

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00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 1: the settlement were not to disclosed. They first met in

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00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: late two thousand and five, when she was nineteen years

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00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:11,320
Speaker 1: old and he was thirty seven. Comb's lawyer labeled venturas

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00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:14,240
Speaker 1: claims Cassie's claims outrageous lies and said she was seeking

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00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: a payday and to tarnish his reputation. Now, listen, none

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00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 1: of us knows the facts of what unfolded here. I

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00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: will say, though, you know, with all three of these stories,

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00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: you have the use of drugs to you know, sort

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00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 1: of compel behavior and enable sexual assault. Those are common

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00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 1: elements in all three of these accusations. And with Cassie

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00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:38,359
Speaker 1: she also had some contemporaneous or some backup to some

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00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,439
Speaker 1: of the claims. One of the claims that she made

1143
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 1: is that she had tried to leave Sean Combs and

1144
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 1: she was dating this other rapper, Kid Cutty, and Combs

1145
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 1: became enraged about this.

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00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 4: This is again according to her.

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00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 1: And threatened to blow up Kid Cutty's car and lo

1148
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 1: and behold, Kid Cutty's car blows up in his driveway.

1149
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 1: And by the way, they asked him in this report,

1150
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 1: hey is this true, and he said every word of

1151
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:03,280
Speaker 1: what she said is accurately.

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00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 2: How wild is that is that he came confirmed on

1154
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 2: the record. He's like, yeah, no, my carb what car bombs?

1155
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 2: This is totally nuts wild, but all of it fits.

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00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 2: And Crystal, if you can, you know, really break this

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00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:15,839
Speaker 2: down because I also I tried to read about it

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00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 2: and I'm trying to understand. Is that the Survivors Act,

1159
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 2: That's what's the Adult Survivors Act allows a filing with

1160
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:26,240
Speaker 2: a look back period to me too, But it's not criminal,

1161
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 2: it's all civil. So then what are the like, what's

1162
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 2: the burden of proof for a jury to find like

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00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 2: a determination against you?

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00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:38,359
Speaker 1: Where so it's a preponderance of evidence versus you know,

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00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: in a guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. So it is

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00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 1: a different level of you know, evidence that you have

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00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,479
Speaker 1: to offer and a different standard in a civil case.

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00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 1: This is actually interesting this law that has enabled all

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00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 1: of these suits to be filed, and this is why

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00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: there was a rash of them that came out because

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00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 1: the law.

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00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:58,720
Speaker 4: The law had a one year period.

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Speaker 1: Where basically people who had wanted to claim sexual assault

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00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 1: where they could file these lawsuits. Even though the statute

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00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 1: of limitations had expired, so you had one year to

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00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,359
Speaker 1: do this, and so all of these suits came in

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Speaker 1: underneath the deadline.

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Speaker 4: One of the more famous suits.

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Speaker 1: That you all, I'm sure are aware of that was

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00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 1: filed with regards to this law was Egen Carroll suit

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00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: against Donald Trump. That's what enabled her to be able

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00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: to file this civil suit during this period, even though

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00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 1: the statute of limitations had run.

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00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:28,959
Speaker 4: So I looked into some of them.

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00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 1: And by the way, I think there is good reason

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00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 1: to think that part of the reason this law was

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00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 1: passed and signed into law by Governor Cathy Hochel was

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00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:41,399
Speaker 1: specifically because of the Egen Carroll allegations. But I will

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00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: also say I looked into this a little bit. So

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Speaker 1: before twenty nineteen, there was only a three year statute

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00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 1: of limitations applied to civil suits for sexual misconduct in

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00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 1: New York, which does seem really short, especially given what

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00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: we know about the psychology of survivors at this point.

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00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 1: Then in twenty nineteen, New York extended that statute of

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00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,280
Speaker 1: limitations for civil suits arising for sex crimes against adults

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00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 1: to twenty years. But the extension wasn't retroactive, so you

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00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: had this change where it used to be three year

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00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 1: statute of limitations. Then they changed it to twenty but

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Speaker 1: it wasn't retroactive. So this was kind of like a

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00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: middle ground attempt for people to have some ability to

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00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 1: seek justice for past sexual assault allegations, but not over

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00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: an indefinite period. You just got this one year. If

1203
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 1: you want to file, you can file, and then it's

1204
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: over and you move forward with the twenty year statute

1205
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 1: of limitation. So that was the thought behind It's called

1206
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 1: the New York's Adult Survivors Act that was signed into

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00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: law by Kathy Hokl.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting. I was trying to think about it.

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Speaker 3: I kind of.

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Speaker 2: Agree that three years is definitely not far enough, but

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00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 2: the evidentiary burden and so much of what we have

1212
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 2: with me too, And even if you think about i

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00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 2: mean not even eging Caroll, but you zoom out about

1214
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 2: the idea of like jurys and a civil trial litigating

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00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 2: sexual assault and all that.

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00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 3: Obviously we have precedent and of course that should exist.

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00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 2: It just for me, I'm so weary of any sort

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00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 2: of punitive, like kangaroo court type action, just given what

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00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 2: happened in the campus cases. This is obviously a little

1220
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 2: bit different because it moves through a civil process. At

1221
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 2: the same time, you can basically bankrupt someone through these

1222
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 2: laws and dragging them through that. Of course, you know

1223
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 2: it's going to rise to the courts to adjudicate whether

1224
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 2: it's legitimate or not, and it's going to eventually fall

1225
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 2: with the jury. I have trust in the jury system

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00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 2: generally within this, but it does seem that there are

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00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 2: a lot of perverse incentives with some of this in

1228
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 2: terms of the money, in terms of you know, all

1229
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 2: the me too accusations that we had seen previously that

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00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:34,920
Speaker 2: didn't bear out. So I have complicated feelings about this

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00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 2: law curious I think.

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Speaker 1: That's I think that's fair where I came to this

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00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 1: because I also was like, h I'm not sure about

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00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: this that period and this year only, Like what's the deal.

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00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 1: Activists want more right? They wanted to they want there

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00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: to be known as statute of limitations period. They want

1237
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 1: you to be able to, you know, continue to file

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00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 1: these lawsuits. I felt like this was a reasonable middle

1239
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 1: ground because we also know that back in the day,

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00:58:57,240 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 1: I mean, all like Bill Cosby, how much did he

1241
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 1: get away with?

1242
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:00,919
Speaker 2: Right?

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00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 1: They're at Harvey Weinstein. Like, for years and years and years,

1244
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 1: if you had a claim against a powerful man, there

1245
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 1: was no way that you were going to be heard.

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00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 1: There was no way that you were going to be

1247
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 1: able to achieve justice. So I felt like this was

1248
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 1: kind of a good compromise of all right, we'll give

1249
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 1: you a year. Well, we'll get rid of the statute

1250
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 1: of limitations. It'll only be civil, right, So we're not

1251
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 1: talking about criminal charges, we're not talking about people going

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00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 1: to jail, but we are talking about some possibility for accountability.

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00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 1: And there were roughly twenty five hundred lawsuits, so you know,

1254
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 1: we're talking about the most high profile examples, but there

1255
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 1: were twenty five hundred lawsuits that were filed here. A

1256
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 1: lot of them were also not against the people who

1257
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 1: did the sexual assault. A lot of them are also

1258
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 1: against institutions that knew that this was going on and

1259
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 1: kept this person in power and enabled the behavior, which

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00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: I also support that level of accountability. So I agree

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00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 1: with you, it's complicated, and especially when you throw Trump

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00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 1: into the mix, and you know, raise the question of

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00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 1: like was this just an attempt to get Trump with

1264
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 1: the eg and Carol's But I feel like it was

1265
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 1: kind of a good middle ground to allow for the

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01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 1: possibility of accountability. There were some additional examples here that

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01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 1: you're going to be hearing about in the news that

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01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 1: we wanted to raise with you, because, as I said,

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01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: a lot of powerful people were accused. Mayor Eric Adams

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01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 1: put this up on the screen. He's been accused of

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01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 1: sexual assault that was also filed under the jurisdiction of

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01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 1: this law. The plaintiff in this case, we know very

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01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 1: little about this one, no details, no idea whether there

1274
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 1: is anything to these claims at this point. But the

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01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 1: plaintiff is a woman whose name is being withheld right

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01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 1: now due to the nature of the allegation. She filed

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01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 1: a summons on Wednesday night. It also names the Transit

1278
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 1: Bureau of the New York Police Department and the Guardian

1279
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 1: Association of the NYPD as defendants because it came during

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01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 1: that time when Eric Adams was at the Police Department.

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01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 1: So that's why they are also named as defendants. In

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01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 1: this case gets to what I was saying Sager about

1283
01:00:57,840 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 1: how it's not just the people, it's also some of

1284
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 1: the institutions that allegedly enable the behavior. Let's put the

1285
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 1: next one up on the screen. Disgraced former governor and

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01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 1: noted Italian Andrew Cuomo sued for sexual assault by former

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01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 1: executive assistant Brittany Camiso. Obviously, Cuomo has faced allegations previously,

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01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 1: so this is not the first time he has faced

1289
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 1: these sorts of allegations, and I think these may have

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01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 1: even been public previously. She alleges while she worked in

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01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 1: the Executive Chamber as an executive assistant from twenty nineteen

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01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 1: through August twenty twenty one, her ex boss subjected her

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01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 1: to humiliating and demeaning tasks, huggs, kisses, sexual touching of

1294
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 1: the buttocks, and forcible touching.

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01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 4: Of the breast.

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01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 1: After she reported Cuoma's alleged conduct, then Lieutenant Governor Kathy

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01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 1: Hocheld demoted her, reassigning her to demeaning task of just

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01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 1: answering the phone in Lieutenant Governor's office until she was

1299
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 1: moved to other offices. So Cuomo, again, as I said,

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01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 1: has faced some allegations in the past. He did that

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Speaker 1: whole wasn't like a PowerPoint presentation about how it's all

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Speaker 1: just because he's all misunderstood. He also at this point,

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Speaker 1: so you got Mayor Eric Adams facing allegations that he

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Speaker 1: also was apparently interested in running for mayor of New

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Speaker 1: York City.

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Speaker 4: So anyway, I don't think there it's.

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Speaker 3: Going to work out for mister Cuomo. Yeah it is.

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Speaker 2: It was more interesting that they all just hit around

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Speaker 2: the same time, because that was what the look back

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Speaker 2: period had within the law. Overall, it's obviously hitting quite

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Speaker 2: a few other celebrities, by the way, not example, let's

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Speaker 2: put this up there on the screen, you also had

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Speaker 2: Axel Rose, Jamie Fox, and a few others that we

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Speaker 2: had allegations against.

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Speaker 4: The Cuba gutting Junior who had faced allegations in the past.

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Speaker 2: That's right, that had come out previously, but obviously was

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Speaker 2: filed under the law as well. So this law certainly

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Speaker 2: making some waves. Again, I have some complicated feelings I

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Speaker 2: think about the implementation. I definitely agree with the institutional one.

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Speaker 2: Actually think that one might be more important than any

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Speaker 2: sort of you know, individual accusation and more just because

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Speaker 2: that was I think, you know, the primary the primary

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Speaker 2: disbelief on me too was not necessary like a creep

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Speaker 2: like Harvey Weinstein was creepy.

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Speaker 3: Is that the.

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Speaker 2: Weinstein Company in all of Hollywood and an entire institution

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Speaker 2: and system was protecting him.

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Speaker 3: That's the same thing with Epstein.

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Speaker 2: It's not a story that there's a rich guy's pedophile,

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Speaker 2: is that it was created as a system which arguably

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Speaker 2: to connected to foreign intelligence networks and was propped up

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Speaker 2: and used for blackmail purposes that enabled real world.

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Speaker 3: Things to then happen.

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Speaker 2: Not erasing the victims, just saying why these matter from

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Speaker 2: a big spotlight institutional level.

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Speaker 3: So anyway, we'll see how this one works out.

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Speaker 2: I'm curious actually on the Eric Adams piece, given how

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Speaker 2: shady he is on the behind the scenes, whether he's

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Speaker 2: not going to try and interfere in the process, because

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Speaker 2: that actually could end up coming to bite him even

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Speaker 2: more in the future.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because you were. I mean, he's going through it

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Speaker 4: right now. Yeah, he's his phone.

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Speaker 1: He denies any wrongdoing, but and hasn't been charged or

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Speaker 1: anything like that. So let's just be clear about where

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Speaker 1: things stand. But never good signed when the FBI is

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Speaker 1: seizing your phones and rating the offices of your top fundraiser,

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Speaker 1: the alligator are that you know they're looking into these

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Speaker 1: potential corrupt ties to Turkey, and so you know he's

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Speaker 1: going through it with that obviously, he's under dramatic fire,

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Speaker 1: including from Cardi b which you.

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Speaker 4: Missed the.

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Speaker 1: Okay, over huge cuts being made to the budget and

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Speaker 1: they're struggling to deal with an influx of migrants. He's

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Speaker 1: sort of gone to war with the federal government over that.

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Speaker 1: So it has not been smooth sailing, uh from mister Adams.

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Speaker 1: And again I have no idea the veracity of these claims.

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Speaker 1: Will wait and see if any evidence, any sort of

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Speaker 1: evidence is produced, but not a not an easy time

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Speaker 1: for him. One last thing I wanted to note here,

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Speaker 1: just in terms of talking about what sort of suits

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Speaker 1: have been brought under the jurisdiction of this law, because

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Speaker 1: it's obviously not all famous people and powerful people, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: Lawsuits also were fouled on behalf of survivors who say

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Speaker 1: they were sexually assaulted by former Columbia University gynecologist doctor

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Speaker 1: Robert Hadden. I don't know if you all remember the

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Speaker 1: news reports about this was horrific. He was convicted of

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Speaker 1: federal sex sex so he's charges. In January, Columbia University

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Speaker 1: will notify nearly sixty five hundred former patients of Hadden's

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Speaker 1: conviction and sentence and provide information about its survivor's settlement fund,

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Speaker 1: it said in the statement November thirteenth. So some of

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Speaker 1: the alleged victims and survivors of doctor Hadden also were

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Speaker 1: able to file suit under this law. So in any case,

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Speaker 1: twenty five hundred suits filed, you know, some of them

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Speaker 1: will be bogus, some of them will be legitimate, and

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Speaker 1: obviously the ones regarding powerful people are going to get

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Speaker 1: a lot of attention.

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Speaker 4: We'll continue to.

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Speaker 3: Follow they certainly will.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's move on to UFO spent a lot of

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Speaker 2: big developments while it was gone. I guess wrote, I

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Speaker 2: don't know why he had to have him on during

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Speaker 2: Thanksgiving break, but it is what it is. So Dave Grush,

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Speaker 2: the UFO whistleblower who we've covered your previously, appeared for

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Speaker 2: almost more than two hours on the Joe Rogan podcast.

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Speaker 2: He faced a whole bunch of questions, He made some

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Speaker 2: pretty eye popping claims and also just describe some of

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Speaker 2: the things that he alleges that were happening behind the

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Speaker 2: scenes of which he is blowing the whistle on the

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Speaker 2: TLDR of it really is that there is, you know,

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Speaker 2: a massive scale cover up in the side of the

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Speaker 2: US government around UFOs, crash retrieval, reverse engineering programs, and

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Speaker 2: a lot more about than what is known to the public.

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Speaker 3: Here's some of what he had to say.

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Speaker 8: This answers a fundamental question, you know, for humanity.

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Speaker 6: Are we alone? Or you know what happens when we die?

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Speaker 9: Well?

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Speaker 8: I don't know about that, but are we alone? Well

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Speaker 8: the answer is we're not alone. And I know that

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Speaker 8: with one hundred percent certainty, which as an Intel officer

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Speaker 8: you never say one hundred percent. But all things pointed

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Speaker 8: towards based on the people I talk to, like Harry Reid,

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Speaker 8: and I use him as an example, but I talk

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Speaker 8: to the highest of the high people you could possibly

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Speaker 8: talk to catch my drift. So unless all them are

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Speaker 8: lying and they're covering up something else, which I don't

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Speaker 8: even know what it would be at this point. Because

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Speaker 8: the phenomenon is real. It's been going on for thousands

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Speaker 8: of years. People have been seeing strange things, and not

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Speaker 8: everybody these mass hallucinatings. We're concerned because we think you

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Speaker 8: might have an ongoing mental health issue.

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Speaker 6: I'm like, what are you talking about.

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Speaker 8: I reported that I had PTSD from Afghanistan and my

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Speaker 8: military service several years ago, and I sought help for that,

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Speaker 8: Like I'm not ashamed of that. You know, I'm high

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Speaker 8: functioning autistic, and I didn't know that until my early thirties,

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Speaker 8: and how I processed trauma I didn't really understand until

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Speaker 8: many years later. And you know, I sought help for that,

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Speaker 8: and they were trying to say that, like I had

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Speaker 8: some secret mental health problem that I haven't been reporting

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Speaker 8: to So I had to go through this whole process.

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Speaker 8: Three agencies at the same time investigated me for that,

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Speaker 8: which I don't even know if that's like legal. They

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Speaker 8: tried to say that I like mishandled.

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Speaker 6: Classify all this other stuff. It was insane.

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Speaker 8: Apparently I was under criminal investigation for a couple months

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Speaker 8: and I didn't even know that, and nor did they

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Speaker 8: interview me. But they made a finding with no evidence

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Speaker 8: they tried to use against me that I had to

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Speaker 8: spend money to basically litigate and maintain my employment my clearance,

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Speaker 8: which I did for the record.

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Speaker 3: So a couple of interesting things there.

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Speaker 2: Really what he talks about is the retribution that he's

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Speaker 2: faced since from inside the government, in which he's filed

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Speaker 2: a report, but more importantly about what he alleges that

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Speaker 2: he saw behind the scenes. There was a lot of

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01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:22,040
Speaker 2: talk about well, you say you can say this, how

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Speaker 2: come you can't say that? And and that's really where

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Speaker 2: I think some of Rogan's best questioning came in. He said, look,

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Speaker 2: what's really going on here? So before we even break

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Speaker 2: it down for you, Rogan himself addressed whether he believed

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Speaker 2: it or not.

1443
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Speaker 3: Here's what he had to say.

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Speaker 6: It's hard to say, man.

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Speaker 10: The thing about it is, I believe he's telling the

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Speaker 10: truth as far as what he's experienced and the documents

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Speaker 10: that he uncovered and the people that he talked to.

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Speaker 10: But how do you know whether or not they're just

1449
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:50,160
Speaker 10: using him as a useful idiot to just get out

1450
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:53,679
Speaker 10: some silly story because they're covering up for the fact

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Speaker 10: that there's some very advanced drone system that the United

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Speaker 10: States government has they're trying to keep under wraps.

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Speaker 6: Right, it might be both. I think it's probably both things.

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Speaker 10: My theory is that they have this ability to make

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Speaker 10: something move in this insane way with gravity, but they

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Speaker 10: can't put a body in it, and they can't put

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Speaker 10: weapons in it. They can't. It's just an object that

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Speaker 10: they can get to move at insane rates of speed.

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Speaker 6: That's what I think.

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Speaker 10: I think the military applications of this thing have yet

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Speaker 10: to be figured out, but I think they do have

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Speaker 10: something that can do things that we have no knowledge of.

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Speaker 10: But the United States governments probably they probably have in

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Speaker 10: their possession something that was either back engineered from something

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Speaker 10: from somewhere else or something that they developed in a

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Speaker 10: completely top secret environment.

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Speaker 2: Interesting. Okay, all right, so I'll break it down for you. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I disagree with Rogan, and I'll tell you why. Which

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Speaker 2: is and this is actually I believe some of this

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Speaker 2: was laid out on a show as well. Is at

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Speaker 2: for to believe what he's saying there is that there

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Speaker 2: are craft that move at high rates of speed that

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Speaker 2: defy the.

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Speaker 3: Laws of physics.

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Speaker 2: Does not really, it does not bear historical precedent for

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Speaker 2: breakthrough technology. So, for example, the atom bomb atom bomb,

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Speaker 2: if you wash Oppenheimer, was theoretically possible in nineteen twenty

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Speaker 2: three or so with the discovery of the atom in

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Speaker 2: Einstein and all of that. It was a practical engineering question.

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Speaker 2: That's why we were afraid that the Germans could do it.

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Speaker 2: It's not that they had breakthrough research, it's that from

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Speaker 2: an engineering point of view, splitting the atom, figuring out

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Speaker 2: how to weaponize it. The practical implications were the hard

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Speaker 2: engineering problem to be solved. It was both theoretical physics

1485
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Speaker 2: but actually why they had, you know, were fining plutonium.

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Speaker 2: These were real questions about whether it was feasible as

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Speaker 2: opposed to theoretically possible. There's nothing that exists in all

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Speaker 2: of academia to suggest that. So to believe that this

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Speaker 2: is some secret government program Chinese rush in US or

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Speaker 2: any of that, you would have to believe that not

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Speaker 2: only has the engineering been secretly done, that all the

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Speaker 2: research from all the universities in the world had gone black,

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Speaker 2: that it all happened top secret, behind the scenes that

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Speaker 2: were able basically to classify it from inception onwards. And

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Speaker 2: there's just no technological breakthrough, you know, to that bears

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Speaker 2: comparison like the car was a engineering was an engineering

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Speaker 2: problem and then a mass production problem. You know, even

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Speaker 2: computers graphically, using interfaces, iPhones, all the things, they were

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Speaker 2: implementation problems about how you can do this stuff at scale,

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Speaker 2: whether you can really do it prototype, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: None of that exists in the academic research.

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Speaker 2: So that's why if that's the only other possible explanation

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Speaker 2: that actually is easier for me to dismiss as opposed

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01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:51,680
Speaker 2: to this is all just fake and it's completely a

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Speaker 2: sie of these are fake videos and all that. But

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01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:55,559
Speaker 2: I don't think that really bears scrutiny either. That's where

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Speaker 2: a lot of my certainty comes from.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: Some of this does also connect to a basic question

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01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:03,040
Speaker 2: of Look, he's either lying or he's not.

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Speaker 3: And I've said this before.

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Speaker 2: If he's lying, I want him to be prosecuted because

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Speaker 2: he's wasted my time, he's wasted a.

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Speaker 3: Lot of the nation's time.

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Speaker 2: But behind the scenes, I don't think it's deniable to

1516
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:13,479
Speaker 2: say that the cover up of some kind is not happening.

1517
01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:15,479
Speaker 2: I don't know what they're covering up, but put this

1518
01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:17,240
Speaker 2: up there on the screen. This is from Liberation Times,

1519
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:19,360
Speaker 2: the UFO based outlet. But I've gone through and I've

1520
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:21,960
Speaker 2: confirmed some of this myself. Is that there is a

1521
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:24,720
Speaker 2: big movement going on right now behind the scenes to

1522
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:29,360
Speaker 2: actually go after the UFO transparency legislation that was slated

1523
01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:33,360
Speaker 2: to be enacted in the NDAA, the National Defense Authorization Act.

1524
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:36,719
Speaker 2: It was called the UAP Disclosure Act. It was sponsored

1525
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:42,120
Speaker 2: by Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, I'm sorry, Senate Majority Leader

1526
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:46,960
Speaker 2: Chuck Schumer and Senator Mike Rounds. However, now there's pushback

1527
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:51,520
Speaker 2: inside of the Senate Armed Services Committee, led by Republican

1528
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:54,320
Speaker 2: members of Congress, both on the Senate level and also

1529
01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:57,400
Speaker 2: in the House, in order to try and gut anything

1530
01:12:57,439 --> 01:13:01,480
Speaker 2: that would require the Department of Defense to simply disclose

1531
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 2: everything that they know for very specific questions, Crystal. So

1532
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:07,600
Speaker 2: that's like my big metatake, which is, at the end

1533
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:10,360
Speaker 2: of the day, government transparency on this issue, what's the

1534
01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 2: problem here?

1535
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:11,280
Speaker 1: Right?

1536
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:14,400
Speaker 2: What is the issue like, what are you covering up?

1537
01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:16,680
Speaker 2: At the end of the day, you know, on the

1538
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:19,639
Speaker 2: JFK thing, it's the same question. We know, we actually

1539
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:22,080
Speaker 2: know what they're covering up because we are a pretty

1540
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:24,120
Speaker 2: good idea. We have a pretty good idea. We just

1541
01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:26,880
Speaker 2: don't want us to see official confirmation. So that's kind

1542
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 2: of where I stand on the whole thing. And how

1543
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:30,040
Speaker 2: next also to what's going on.

1544
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:32,360
Speaker 1: In Washington, right and Conmerson a new House Speaker of

1545
01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 1: Mike Johnson one of the villains, and this attempts to

1546
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:38,400
Speaker 1: quash the transparency legislation, and just so people know this

1547
01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:40,840
Speaker 1: legislative processes, it should get a lot.

1548
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:41,879
Speaker 4: More attention and coverage.

1549
01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:45,559
Speaker 1: People use the National Offense Authorization Act to get all

1550
01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 1: kinds of little you know, pet projects or things killed whatever.

1551
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:52,000
Speaker 1: They use this process in order to achieve that. So

1552
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:54,680
Speaker 1: that's why this is being used as a vehicle to

1553
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:56,040
Speaker 1: try to kill this transparency.

1554
01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:57,280
Speaker 4: I mean, on the.

1555
01:13:57,439 --> 01:14:01,920
Speaker 1: On the whole matter, I guess I'm relatively agnostic. I

1556
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:05,599
Speaker 1: do feel like me and most people are just going

1557
01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:08,400
Speaker 1: to need something more than one guy's work. And you

1558
01:14:08,439 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 1: should because it's not even and this is something Rogan

1559
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:13,679
Speaker 1: points to you too. You could even accept that he's

1560
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:16,320
Speaker 1: not lying, that he seems like a genuine sence here person,

1561
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:19,280
Speaker 1: but he's being used for some other end like that

1562
01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:22,080
Speaker 1: is another possibility that's on the table. And in the

1563
01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:25,160
Speaker 1: absence of any sort of concrete proof of the things

1564
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:28,519
Speaker 1: that he's discussing, you know, it's for me, I'm just

1565
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:30,720
Speaker 1: gonna need a lot more to believe something that is

1566
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:33,559
Speaker 1: so incredibly extraordinary, which you know, I think is fair

1567
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 1: for not just for me, but for people in general.

1568
01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:37,519
Speaker 1: The other thing I was going to ask you about

1569
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:38,960
Speaker 1: soccer because I started to listen to some of the

1570
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:41,600
Speaker 1: podcast is there was a lot of like, well, I

1571
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:43,080
Speaker 1: can tell you this, but I can't tell you that.

1572
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 1: What was his rationalization for why there were certain things.

1573
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:49,080
Speaker 4: That he could disclose and would disclose, and why there

1574
01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:50,200
Speaker 4: were certain things that he put out?

1575
01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:53,080
Speaker 2: So he went through something a pre publication review, as

1576
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:55,439
Speaker 2: he described it, and as I understand it too, having

1577
01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:57,559
Speaker 2: talked to people who've published stuff that was had some

1578
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:01,000
Speaker 2: class wide information or not, you basically admit to everything

1579
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:03,559
Speaker 2: that you want to talk about publicly to the DoD.

1580
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:06,360
Speaker 2: They're not confirming it happened or not. They are allowed

1581
01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:08,200
Speaker 2: to then come in and say Nope, can't talk about that.

1582
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:10,360
Speaker 2: You can talk about that. Everything that they don't x

1583
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:13,040
Speaker 2: out you are allowed to then publicly discuss. That doesn't

1584
01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:15,439
Speaker 2: mean that they're endorsing the claim. Let's not forget, though,

1585
01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:17,519
Speaker 2: that they did say that his accusations were credible and

1586
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:19,519
Speaker 2: that they were urgent in terms of what he was

1587
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:22,160
Speaker 2: alleging in for his whistleblower complaint. This is from the

1588
01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:25,200
Speaker 2: Inspector General of the overall Intelligence community.

1589
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:27,719
Speaker 3: The reason why when he's like, well, what did you say?

1590
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:31,040
Speaker 2: He either did not receive clearance to talk about that

1591
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:32,760
Speaker 2: subject or he was.

1592
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:34,080
Speaker 3: Told no, you can't talk about that.

1593
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:37,240
Speaker 2: So all of the things that he's saying publicly are

1594
01:15:37,320 --> 01:15:39,920
Speaker 2: things of which there is either publicly available reporting and

1595
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:41,600
Speaker 2: he was cleared to discuss or not.

1596
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:43,839
Speaker 3: I'll give you a good example. I remember a long.

1597
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:47,040
Speaker 2: Time ago reading the book by Rob O'Neill, who's the

1598
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:49,519
Speaker 2: guy who shot Bin Laden and he was in Seal

1599
01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:52,000
Speaker 2: Team six. But in his book he has to black

1600
01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:54,360
Speaker 2: out the word Seal Team six six.

1601
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:57,439
Speaker 3: Right, you can only say Seal Team X. It's stupid.

1602
01:15:57,520 --> 01:15:59,880
Speaker 2: Everybody knows Seal Team six exists, but they don't want

1603
01:15:59,880 --> 01:16:02,280
Speaker 2: to publicly acknowledged Seal Team six.

1604
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:02,720
Speaker 6: No.

1605
01:16:03,080 --> 01:16:05,439
Speaker 2: So when he says, you know, I was in the

1606
01:16:05,439 --> 01:16:08,160
Speaker 2: Seal teams or I was in this, he is not

1607
01:16:08,360 --> 01:16:10,960
Speaker 2: that you know, and he removes the word six. It's

1608
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:14,160
Speaker 2: because he specifically did not receive clearance to say that word.

1609
01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:15,080
Speaker 3: A lot of them are like that.

1610
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:18,280
Speaker 2: There's you know, several other examples of these things. Even

1611
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:19,200
Speaker 2: the Bin Laden.

1612
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:20,880
Speaker 3: Rate itself had all sorts of secrecy around it.

1613
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:23,840
Speaker 2: And if you've ever read like Admiral mcraven's book who

1614
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:25,559
Speaker 2: talks about it, there's a lot of things in there

1615
01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:28,800
Speaker 2: too that you have to submit for pre publication review. Again,

1616
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:31,080
Speaker 2: they're not endorsing it. They're just like, there's some things

1617
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:34,759
Speaker 2: which they do take out. Now that's his explanation. Doesn't

1618
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:37,040
Speaker 2: sound fishing and annoying. Yeah, it's annoying to listen to.

1619
01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:39,080
Speaker 2: I agree with everybody. When he's like, no, I can't

1620
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:40,800
Speaker 2: talk about this, it's like, ah, but that's what I

1621
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:43,240
Speaker 2: want to know the most. So that's why I just

1622
01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:46,879
Speaker 2: come down on Okay, you got a whistleblower here, testified

1623
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:49,400
Speaker 2: under oath. He submitted all these claims to members of Congress.

1624
01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:52,920
Speaker 2: The two members of Congress who wanted to hear questions

1625
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 2: from him said, I want to hear everything you've said

1626
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:58,439
Speaker 2: as classified in a skiff, which is a secure, compartmentalized facility.

1627
01:16:58,640 --> 01:16:59,080
Speaker 3: Guess what.

1628
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:02,439
Speaker 2: They won't give him skiff access inside of Congress. Nobody

1629
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 2: knows why that is. Again, why let the man talk,

1630
01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:08,040
Speaker 2: Let the members of Congress hear it out with Our

1631
01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:10,200
Speaker 2: elected representatives exist for the very reason that they can

1632
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:12,519
Speaker 2: investigate on our behalf. And if it's so secret, then

1633
01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:14,479
Speaker 2: they can go find out for themselves. If it's urgent,

1634
01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:16,519
Speaker 2: they can bring it to us. Second is the matter

1635
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:20,320
Speaker 2: of transparency and of legislation. What harm possibly could be

1636
01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:25,800
Speaker 2: done by having transparency around non human biological creatures. If

1637
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:28,280
Speaker 2: they don't exist, then you can come out and say

1638
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:31,439
Speaker 2: they don't exist. We have no evidence of that. And

1639
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:34,479
Speaker 2: so there's a lot of reasons why I think this

1640
01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:36,679
Speaker 2: is trying to be quash and you know, to bring

1641
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:40,080
Speaker 2: it back to the you know, the Okham's Raiser or

1642
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:43,839
Speaker 2: the other side of what it could be secret government

1643
01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:47,520
Speaker 2: program and all that. You honestly would have to expect

1644
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:51,120
Speaker 2: more competence from the government to do something like that

1645
01:17:51,439 --> 01:17:54,559
Speaker 2: than you would for covering up information, in my opinion,

1646
01:17:54,760 --> 01:18:00,120
Speaker 2: to secretly develop a Manhattan style project as it relates

1647
01:17:59,960 --> 01:18:04,880
Speaker 2: to aviation with no knowledge as opposed to keeping things

1648
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:05,880
Speaker 2: secret for a long time.

1649
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:06,000
Speaker 9: Now.

1650
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:08,160
Speaker 3: The government is bad about both of those things, but

1651
01:18:08,200 --> 01:18:08,479
Speaker 3: I think.

1652
01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:13,120
Speaker 2: They're a lot worse at proactive innovation in complete darkness

1653
01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:16,400
Speaker 2: and secrecy than they are at a you know, some

1654
01:18:16,439 --> 01:18:19,600
Speaker 2: sort of program that's been running now for generations in

1655
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:22,920
Speaker 2: order to try and keep the truth from the American

1656
01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:25,519
Speaker 2: people in from the world. So that's that's where I

1657
01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:27,840
Speaker 2: come on the whole thing. I've thought a lot about

1658
01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:30,800
Speaker 2: the government explanation. It just doesn't make any sense. But

1659
01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 2: how that's possible.

1660
01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:34,400
Speaker 1: To me, almost none of it makes sense because you're

1661
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:36,840
Speaker 1: not just talking about a US government cover up. You're

1662
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:39,519
Speaker 1: literally talking about a global cover up, right. I mean,

1663
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:41,840
Speaker 1: it's not like all of these incidents are happening in

1664
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:43,960
Speaker 1: the US. In fact, Rush's talking about things that are

1665
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:47,640
Speaker 1: happening overseas himself. So you have to you have to

1666
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:50,760
Speaker 1: imagine that there's a global cover up, you know. I

1667
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:53,360
Speaker 1: mean your objections to the idea that it's some like

1668
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:56,160
Speaker 1: secret government technology that we have no awareness of, I

1669
01:18:56,240 --> 01:18:58,599
Speaker 1: think are also really founded. So I'm just sort of

1670
01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:01,240
Speaker 1: like in a hand, you know, hands thrown up. Let's

1671
01:19:01,240 --> 01:19:03,120
Speaker 1: have as much disclosure as possible and figure out what

1672
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:04,720
Speaker 1: that well, And there's no downside.

1673
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:07,680
Speaker 2: There's literally no downside to any sort of disclosure or

1674
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:12,080
Speaker 2: transparency or investigation. If anything, the fact that they are

1675
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:15,280
Speaker 2: trying so actively behind the scenes to try and kill

1676
01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:18,519
Speaker 2: the amendment. Christopher Mellen has also talked about this. Former

1677
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:21,479
Speaker 2: Assistant Secretary of Defense. I would only say, like that

1678
01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:23,680
Speaker 2: tells you leaps and bounds and so yeah, you know,

1679
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:26,599
Speaker 2: even if it is some sort of secret aviation program

1680
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:29,960
Speaker 2: and all of that, think about the commercial applications of

1681
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:32,559
Speaker 2: such technology. Then we should know about it because that

1682
01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:35,080
Speaker 2: sounds you know, I was on a red eye flight.

1683
01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:37,479
Speaker 2: It took a long time. Over this weekend. I'd love

1684
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:39,800
Speaker 2: to be able to go at supersonic speed. So let's

1685
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:42,160
Speaker 2: get it done. If that's the truth, and that's the case,

1686
01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:45,000
Speaker 2: let the people who supposedly paid for it, let it pass.

1687
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:47,080
Speaker 2: My last thing I'll say of this is the Pentagon

1688
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:50,000
Speaker 2: officially failed its audit for what the sixth time in

1689
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:51,880
Speaker 2: a row as of a two weeks.

1690
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:54,160
Speaker 1: Every time they've done an audit, they've failed it. However

1691
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:54,719
Speaker 1: many times.

1692
01:19:54,720 --> 01:19:56,120
Speaker 3: That is where some of that money going.

1693
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:01,760
Speaker 2: Let's move on to Fox New and their epics grew

1694
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:04,200
Speaker 2: up or that happened over the Thanksgiving break.

1695
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:06,639
Speaker 3: A lot of people were afraid after they saw a.

1696
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:10,519
Speaker 2: High speed crash and explosion at the border between the

1697
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:15,559
Speaker 2: US and Canada. So Fox News immediately almost jumps on

1698
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:18,880
Speaker 2: their air and reports something shocking that it was a

1699
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:22,439
Speaker 2: full blown terrorist attack, that there were quote a lot

1700
01:20:22,479 --> 01:20:25,960
Speaker 2: of explosives in the vehicle. After all of this happened,

1701
01:20:26,200 --> 01:20:28,320
Speaker 2: listen to what they said, which turned out to be

1702
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:29,880
Speaker 2: completely false.

1703
01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:30,679
Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.

1704
01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:34,280
Speaker 11: Yes, oh here we go, Oh a Lexus McAdams is

1705
01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:38,240
Speaker 11: reporting that, according to high level police sources, the explosion

1706
01:20:38,520 --> 01:20:43,640
Speaker 11: was an attempted terrorist attack, a lot of explosives in

1707
01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:45,639
Speaker 11: the vehicle at the time. The two people who were

1708
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 11: in the car are deceased. One Border Patrol officer was

1709
01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:55,840
Speaker 11: injured driving from the US apparently to Canada, and we're

1710
01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:57,880
Speaker 11: trying to drive toward the CBP building.

1711
01:20:58,320 --> 01:20:59,439
Speaker 6: So all bridges in the.

1712
01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:03,040
Speaker 11: Area have and closed, All government buildings in the area

1713
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:04,520
Speaker 11: have been evacuated.

1714
01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:07,920
Speaker 2: Well, it turns out, Crystal literally none of that was true,

1715
01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:11,320
Speaker 2: and the same reporter who put that to the network

1716
01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:15,559
Speaker 2: then had to walk back hours later what she said.

1717
01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:17,800
Speaker 2: The thing is on this before we even play what

1718
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:22,080
Speaker 2: she said. Maybe if it was an official who said that,

1719
01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:25,599
Speaker 2: and you're citing a law enforcement official who said that publicly,

1720
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:28,720
Speaker 2: you know, and claimed it and everybody reported and had

1721
01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:30,200
Speaker 2: to walk it back later, that's different.

1722
01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:31,320
Speaker 3: That's a government screw up.

1723
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:34,760
Speaker 2: This is a reporter basically going off of what she

1724
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:38,000
Speaker 2: claims to have heard. Fox is the only outlet which

1725
01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:41,799
Speaker 2: runs with this, and then it takes forever to correct

1726
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:42,320
Speaker 2: the record.

1727
01:21:42,479 --> 01:21:44,400
Speaker 3: Here's what she said in terms of why she screwed

1728
01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:44,680
Speaker 3: it up.

1729
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:46,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're collecting it all.

1730
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Speaker 9: But I think the point that you know, I want

1731
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:49,679
Speaker 9: to point out here is that when we were told

1732
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:52,400
Speaker 9: that this was being investigated as a terrorist attack, it's

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Speaker 9: because of the explosion and the sides of the explosion,

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01:21:55,479 --> 01:21:58,200
Speaker 9: so much so that it caused them to evacuate government

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01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:00,960
Speaker 9: buildings in and around that area. Yeah, and also to

1736
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:02,920
Speaker 9: close the airport down. So when I just checked back

1737
01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:05,320
Speaker 9: in with these investigators who are out there working the scene,

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01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:07,599
Speaker 9: they said, that is not write a typical response to

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01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:10,200
Speaker 9: something that would have been a car explosion. So that's

1740
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:12,559
Speaker 9: why that information came in as it did, and then

1741
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:14,840
Speaker 9: we started seeing those conflicting reports. But that's what happens

1742
01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:16,840
Speaker 9: with breaking news. They get new information, they give it

1743
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:18,599
Speaker 9: to us, and we bring it back to the viewers.

1744
01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:20,360
Speaker 9: So as of now, they've walked back that it was

1745
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:23,400
Speaker 9: a possible terrorist attack, but say they've never seen a

1746
01:22:23,479 --> 01:22:26,200
Speaker 9: car explode in that way, So there's still a lot

1747
01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:27,519
Speaker 9: more investigating that needs to go on.

1748
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Speaker 2: Edward, Yeah, I mean, the thing is Crystal is not

1749
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:31,960
Speaker 2: only did they were they the only ones who reported that,

1750
01:22:32,120 --> 01:22:36,040
Speaker 2: but that also that they were brought on experts in

1751
01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:40,280
Speaker 2: an hour afterward to discuss what all of the implications

1752
01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:43,280
Speaker 2: to that, could it be? It was then clear that

1753
01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:45,960
Speaker 2: there were no explosives in the vehicle and that the

1754
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:49,200
Speaker 2: crash is a result of reckless driving. To me, this

1755
01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:52,240
Speaker 2: is such an indictment a of live news, but really

1756
01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:57,320
Speaker 2: of running with extraordinary incendiary claims in the immediate aftermath

1757
01:22:57,360 --> 01:23:00,920
Speaker 2: and then really refusing I think to take me major accountability.

1758
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:03,280
Speaker 3: Absolutely for a good example, so everyone knows.

1759
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:06,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, for people who have been following the news, there

1760
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:09,439
Speaker 2: were three Palestindian guys who were shot in Burlington, Vermont,

1761
01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:11,640
Speaker 2: and you know what, I can mention that and I

1762
01:23:11,640 --> 01:23:13,559
Speaker 2: don't know a damn thing else because we are not

1763
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:17,000
Speaker 2: going to cover it here until we know more details

1764
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:18,719
Speaker 2: and can provide people context.

1765
01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:21,559
Speaker 3: Otherwise, if you're going to sit here and clean oh.

1766
01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:23,599
Speaker 2: The shooter was this or possible implications all that, you're

1767
01:23:23,640 --> 01:23:26,719
Speaker 2: just talking that's nothing else. Yeah, you know, you're fanning

1768
01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:30,040
Speaker 2: the flames. And what Fox did in this instance really

1769
01:23:30,040 --> 01:23:32,879
Speaker 2: with this reporter just you know, according to these sources,

1770
01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:35,400
Speaker 2: A these sources like you probably never trust them again.

1771
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:37,720
Speaker 2: But what editorial standards do you have for going to

1772
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:40,520
Speaker 2: air with something like this? They set off a firestorm.

1773
01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:42,880
Speaker 2: I was in I was like oh my god, like

1774
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:45,240
Speaker 2: this is not good, you know, full blown attack on

1775
01:23:45,240 --> 01:23:47,760
Speaker 2: the northern border something like this, and it ignited this

1776
01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:50,519
Speaker 2: whole thing, and then immediately it's like as if it's

1777
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 2: totally forgotten.

1778
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:52,439
Speaker 4: A couple things.

1779
01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:56,040
Speaker 1: Number one, it's very clear they were basically cheering for

1780
01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:58,800
Speaker 1: this to be a terrorist attack, which is why, I mean,

1781
01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:02,200
Speaker 1: it's confirmation biased. Right, They've been for weeks, Oh there's

1782
01:24:02,240 --> 01:24:05,719
Speaker 1: Hamas terror cells and we're all at risk and after

1783
01:24:06,280 --> 01:24:09,120
Speaker 1: the gaza strip in Israel, America is going to be next,

1784
01:24:09,200 --> 01:24:12,320
Speaker 1: which is absurd and there's zero evidence for. But so

1785
01:24:12,439 --> 01:24:14,559
Speaker 1: they're all hyped up on this idea that we're at

1786
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:17,599
Speaker 1: some elevated risk for a terror attack, and then this

1787
01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:18,920
Speaker 1: thing happens at the border.

1788
01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:20,719
Speaker 4: You get apparently one cop.

1789
01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:22,720
Speaker 1: Who's like, I don't know on an arsena explosion like that,

1790
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:24,920
Speaker 1: maybe it was a terrorist attack, and they run with it.

1791
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:27,720
Speaker 1: They run with it because they want that to be

1792
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:30,760
Speaker 1: the story, because that's the story they've been selling to

1793
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:34,759
Speaker 1: their audience now for weeks. So that's part of why

1794
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:37,479
Speaker 1: all the guardrails are taken off. In addition to all

1795
01:24:37,479 --> 01:24:40,080
Speaker 1: of the normal incentives to just like be the first,

1796
01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:43,759
Speaker 1: even if you end up being completely and wildly wrong.

1797
01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:46,800
Speaker 1: So I also thought it was very revealing the way

1798
01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:49,200
Speaker 1: that she walked it back, which again was not to

1799
01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:51,400
Speaker 1: say I'm sorry we made the error, I'm sorry we

1800
01:24:51,439 --> 01:24:55,960
Speaker 1: reported totally inaccurate information. It was to explain this like

1801
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:58,639
Speaker 1: bs rationalization of like, well, it was a really big

1802
01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:01,400
Speaker 1: explosion and they close the air airport, so never seen

1803
01:25:01,439 --> 01:25:04,240
Speaker 1: anything like that. That's why they said it was being

1804
01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:07,519
Speaker 1: investigated as a terror attack, which, even if that was

1805
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:11,679
Speaker 1: in the early minutes accurate, being investigated as a terror

1806
01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:15,240
Speaker 1: attack and looking into that is very different from having

1807
01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:18,040
Speaker 1: any evidence that it actually is a terrorist attack, any

1808
01:25:18,040 --> 01:25:21,400
Speaker 1: evidence of any sort of motive intent or explosives in

1809
01:25:21,479 --> 01:25:23,960
Speaker 1: this vehicle, which is what they ran out and sold.

1810
01:25:24,040 --> 01:25:26,240
Speaker 1: And by the way, Center Ted Cruz and all court

1811
01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:29,479
Speaker 1: kinds of others jumped right on and definitively claimed that

1812
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:31,519
Speaker 1: was exactly what was going on. And there will be

1813
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:33,439
Speaker 1: a lot of people who never see the walk back

1814
01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:36,120
Speaker 1: who actually think that is what unfolded, and it's going

1815
01:25:36,160 --> 01:25:38,240
Speaker 1: to impact the way they view, you know, events that

1816
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:40,559
Speaker 1: are unfolding in their own sense of personal safety day

1817
01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:40,880
Speaker 1: to day.

1818
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:41,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, it really is.

1819
01:25:42,200 --> 01:25:44,680
Speaker 2: This is a just you know, it shows you why A,

1820
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:47,400
Speaker 2: you shouldn't trust first reports. B you should have way

1821
01:25:47,479 --> 01:25:50,320
Speaker 2: higher editorial standards or bring something to air and you're

1822
01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:53,800
Speaker 2: going to claim something so completely insane and then walk

1823
01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:56,439
Speaker 2: it back quietly and not even fully take responsibility. You

1824
01:25:56,439 --> 01:25:58,599
Speaker 2: should just be like, yeah, are either you should say

1825
01:25:58,640 --> 01:26:00,720
Speaker 2: we got it wrong or our sources screwed up. They

1826
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:02,639
Speaker 2: lied to us. We're going back to them and saying, hey,

1827
01:26:02,640 --> 01:26:05,120
Speaker 2: what's going on here? How can you claim that the

1828
01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:07,479
Speaker 2: car was filled with explosive Their explanation was, well, we've

1829
01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:09,800
Speaker 2: never seen a car explode like them. Then say that

1830
01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:11,880
Speaker 2: our sources claim that they have never seen a car

1831
01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:14,679
Speaker 2: explode like that before, right, not that they're explosives inside

1832
01:26:14,720 --> 01:26:16,920
Speaker 2: of a car. Those are two very different things. One

1833
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:19,200
Speaker 2: is responsible the way that I put it, and then

1834
01:26:19,560 --> 01:26:21,680
Speaker 2: this was the way that they tried to clean it

1835
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:25,639
Speaker 2: up later on their so called media watchdog show about

1836
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:29,360
Speaker 2: why it wasn't really their fault it was everybody's fault

1837
01:26:29,400 --> 01:26:30,000
Speaker 2: that went with it.

1838
01:26:30,120 --> 01:26:30,920
Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.

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01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:33,479
Speaker 12: The cable news networks went wall to wall when a

1840
01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:35,840
Speaker 12: car exploded on a bridge on the New York side

1841
01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:38,320
Speaker 12: of Niagara Falls, and the speculation began.

1842
01:26:38,720 --> 01:26:42,639
Speaker 7: The thread environment is, to quote FBI Director Ray.

1843
01:26:43,439 --> 01:26:45,920
Speaker 12: Sort of is high.

1844
01:26:46,040 --> 01:26:48,840
Speaker 9: We know it because of international terrorism and what's going

1845
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:51,760
Speaker 9: on in the Middle East and also how domestic terror

1846
01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:54,639
Speaker 9: terror groups have been activated.

1847
01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:57,240
Speaker 8: Or Julie ansdem tied to something more on the local side.

1848
01:26:57,439 --> 01:26:59,360
Speaker 8: Or was this an intentional act and if it was

1849
01:26:59,400 --> 01:27:02,960
Speaker 8: an intentional, what is the motive, what is behind this?

1850
01:27:03,160 --> 01:27:06,040
Speaker 6: And is it in fact terrorism? It's just too soon

1851
01:27:06,120 --> 01:27:06,479
Speaker 6: to say.

1852
01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:11,320
Speaker 12: Ted Cruz said it was terrorism, flatly, declaring that before

1853
01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:14,400
Speaker 12: we found out that in fact it was not so crystal.

1854
01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:18,080
Speaker 2: Their coverage is that well, everybody was talking about the

1855
01:27:18,080 --> 01:27:19,280
Speaker 2: implications of terrorism.

1856
01:27:19,360 --> 01:27:19,719
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1857
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:22,679
Speaker 2: The differences the other two were like thread environment's high,

1858
01:27:22,720 --> 01:27:24,719
Speaker 2: we don't know anything, it's too soon to say.

1859
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:26,240
Speaker 3: And you were the ones who.

1860
01:27:26,120 --> 01:27:28,920
Speaker 2: Were like, it's a straight up apparent terrorist attack and

1861
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:30,759
Speaker 2: the car was full of explosives.

1862
01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:33,040
Speaker 3: Those are two very very different things.

1863
01:27:33,479 --> 01:27:35,720
Speaker 2: Even frankly, the other people who were just sitting there

1864
01:27:35,800 --> 01:27:37,640
Speaker 2: be like it may be a terrorist Even that is

1865
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:39,400
Speaker 2: I think bringing on a guest to talk about the

1866
01:27:39,400 --> 01:27:42,560
Speaker 2: thread environment. It's a little bit ridiculous, and maybe it

1867
01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:45,280
Speaker 2: implies they were receiving some of the same reporting and

1868
01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:47,679
Speaker 2: they were preparing for it. But couching it and saying

1869
01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:49,280
Speaker 2: things that what you know and what you don't know

1870
01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:51,519
Speaker 2: is the most important thing in this business.

1871
01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:53,120
Speaker 3: And they just threw that out the way.

1872
01:27:53,240 --> 01:27:54,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, and never once to see mentioned.

1873
01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:58,280
Speaker 1: And by the way, ye Fox News, my employer blatantly

1874
01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:02,400
Speaker 1: got it wrong, so kind of lessons his credibility on

1875
01:28:02,479 --> 01:28:02,920
Speaker 1: this matter.

1876
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:04,759
Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean I do think.

1877
01:28:05,240 --> 01:28:08,920
Speaker 1: Listen, I've been in the anchor chair at MSNBC when

1878
01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:12,120
Speaker 1: you have some friggin breaking news whatever, you know, a

1879
01:28:12,160 --> 01:28:15,160
Speaker 1: potential school shooting, a potential I remember there was like

1880
01:28:15,200 --> 01:28:18,760
Speaker 1: a potential school stabbing that they of course want you

1881
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:21,040
Speaker 1: to go wall to wall on your coverage. Yes, you

1882
01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:25,400
Speaker 1: know nothing right, you have like a headline, and even

1883
01:28:25,400 --> 01:28:29,519
Speaker 1: that maybe inaccurate. They're scrambling behind the scenes to bring

1884
01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:32,519
Speaker 1: on guests just to fill the air. And in that

1885
01:28:32,720 --> 01:28:36,880
Speaker 1: space of filling the air, people engage in all sorts.

1886
01:28:36,640 --> 01:28:37,880
Speaker 4: Of wild speculation.

1887
01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:41,400
Speaker 1: And I think you as news consumers, hopefully not of

1888
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:43,680
Speaker 1: cable news, but in case someone you love is a

1889
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:46,879
Speaker 1: consumer of cable news, it's important for you to understand

1890
01:28:46,880 --> 01:28:48,280
Speaker 1: what's happening behind the scenes.

1891
01:28:48,640 --> 01:28:50,200
Speaker 4: They're floating things.

1892
01:28:49,880 --> 01:28:52,639
Speaker 1: Because they have to say words and fill the time

1893
01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:56,200
Speaker 1: until they actually know something, and so that's why you

1894
01:28:56,280 --> 01:28:58,360
Speaker 1: end up. What the hell, let's bring on a terror

1895
01:28:58,360 --> 01:29:00,639
Speaker 1: as am expert and see if they have some interesting

1896
01:29:00,680 --> 01:29:01,280
Speaker 1: to say about this.

1897
01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:04,280
Speaker 4: How does this compare to past explosions? Look at this video?

1898
01:29:04,360 --> 01:29:04,960
Speaker 4: What do you think?

1899
01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:08,559
Speaker 1: They don't freaking know anything? So keep that in mind,

1900
01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:12,720
Speaker 1: because I agree with you. Even the like tendency to, oh,

1901
01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:15,759
Speaker 1: this could be a big event, let's wildly speculate about

1902
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:18,360
Speaker 1: it until we actually know anything about it. Even that

1903
01:29:18,479 --> 01:29:21,679
Speaker 1: is pretty irresponsible. But Fox News just took that extra

1904
01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:25,519
Speaker 1: level of blatantly reporting something that ends up being utterly

1905
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:29,040
Speaker 1: false and then not even having the decency to fully

1906
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:31,360
Speaker 1: correct and acknowledge that they got it blatantly.

1907
01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:32,519
Speaker 3: To totally totally agree.

1908
01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:34,960
Speaker 2: Okay, Crystal, it's been a long time since I said this.

1909
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:36,840
Speaker 2: What are you taking a look at?

1910
01:29:37,000 --> 01:29:42,240
Speaker 13: Well, it's hard to look at what he's doing in Ukraine,

1911
01:29:42,479 --> 01:29:46,080
Speaker 13: what his forces are doing in Ukraine, and think that

1912
01:29:46,280 --> 01:29:55,760
Speaker 13: any ethical, moral individual could justify that. It's difficult to

1913
01:29:56,040 --> 01:30:06,400
Speaker 13: look at the Sorry, it's difficult to look at some

1914
01:30:06,439 --> 01:30:13,519
Speaker 13: of the images and imagine that any well thinking, serious,

1915
01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:18,600
Speaker 13: mature leader would do that. So I can't talk to

1916
01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:21,479
Speaker 13: a psychology but I think we can all speak to

1917
01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:26,160
Speaker 13: us depravity. This is war, it is combat, it is bloody,

1918
01:30:26,560 --> 01:30:29,360
Speaker 13: it is ugly, and it's going to be messy, and

1919
01:30:29,800 --> 01:30:33,160
Speaker 13: innocent civilians are going to be hurt going forward. I

1920
01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:35,519
Speaker 13: wish I could tell you something different. I wish that

1921
01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:39,679
Speaker 13: that wasn't going to happen, but it is going to happen.

1922
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:44,400
Speaker 1: That was National Security Council spokesman John Kirby holding back

1923
01:30:44,479 --> 01:30:48,040
Speaker 1: tears as he spoke of innocence killed by Russia and

1924
01:30:48,080 --> 01:30:52,280
Speaker 1: then casually dismissing innocence killed by Israel as mare collateral damage.

1925
01:30:52,280 --> 01:30:55,439
Speaker 1: Shocking up to the unavoidable costs of war. The Biden

1926
01:30:55,439 --> 01:30:58,240
Speaker 1: administration has spent the last several years now rending their

1927
01:30:58,240 --> 01:31:02,559
Speaker 1: garments about the international rules based order, decrying with plenty

1928
01:31:02,560 --> 01:31:06,840
Speaker 1: of justification by the way Russian atrocities committed against Ukrainians.

1929
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:10,599
Speaker 1: Biden framed this struggle in grand, idealistic terms as a

1930
01:31:10,600 --> 01:31:13,479
Speaker 1: fight to protect the post World War II order, our

1931
01:31:13,640 --> 01:31:16,240
Speaker 1: arming of the Ukrainians as a noble front in our

1932
01:31:16,320 --> 01:31:20,320
Speaker 1: war for democracy, for human rights. My, what a difference

1933
01:31:20,360 --> 01:31:24,120
Speaker 1: a new war makes. Democrats and other administration officials who

1934
01:31:24,160 --> 01:31:26,400
Speaker 1: had no troubles spotting war crimes when they were committed

1935
01:31:26,439 --> 01:31:30,800
Speaker 1: by resistance lib boogeyman Putin suddenly decided they really weren't

1936
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:33,400
Speaker 1: qualified to a pine on the topic. Once Israel launched

1937
01:31:33,400 --> 01:31:36,680
Speaker 1: a complete siege of Gaza and bombed everything from refugee

1938
01:31:36,680 --> 01:31:39,920
Speaker 1: camps to schools, to hospitals to every sort of critical infrastructure.

1939
01:31:40,320 --> 01:31:43,160
Speaker 1: In the early days, this took the form of vaguely

1940
01:31:43,280 --> 01:31:45,920
Speaker 1: encouraging Israel to not commit any war crimes please.

1941
01:31:46,320 --> 01:31:47,120
Speaker 4: Once it became.

1942
01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:50,919
Speaker 1: Absurdly obvious that the entire military operation was being conducted

1943
01:31:50,920 --> 01:31:53,360
Speaker 1: on the basis of seeing how many war crimes Israel

1944
01:31:53,400 --> 01:31:56,519
Speaker 1: could get away with, they then shifted tactics, adopting a

1945
01:31:56,520 --> 01:31:59,920
Speaker 1: more philosophical posture. You might say, who can really say

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Speaker 1: whether they're committing war crimes?

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Speaker 4: What even are war crimes? Really? Now?

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Speaker 1: There are a wealth of examples here, but let me

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Speaker 1: give you just a few. Here's Senator Ben Carden on Russia.

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Speaker 7: There's no question about Russia's crime of aggressions, no question

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Speaker 7: about their committing crimes against humanity and genocide. We've had

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Speaker 7: hearings in this committee that have established that. We've had

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Speaker 7: hearings in the USL Sinki Commission that has established the

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Speaker 7: fact that all the conditions for genocide have been committed

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Speaker 7: by Russia.

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Speaker 1: This same senator was suddenly less sure of himself in

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Speaker 1: a recent interview by The New Yorkers Isaac Chattner. CHOHn

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Speaker 1: Er asked Carden, do you have a sense of whether

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Speaker 1: Israel is operating according to the rules of war? Carden

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Speaker 1: dismissively responds, I know that once elected to the United

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Speaker 1: States Senate, I'm supposed to be an expert on every subject.

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Speaker 1: Chautner then replies, sir, you are the head of the

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Speaker 1: Foreign Relations Committee. But I suppose it would be unfair

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Speaker 1: to pick on Senator Carden here, who is simply taking

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Speaker 1: his cues from so many others. Here's White House National

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Speaker 1: Security Advisor Jake Sullivan on in Russia versus Jake Sullivan

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Speaker 1: on Israel.

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Speaker 6: I think we can.

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Speaker 14: All say that these are mass atrocities, These are war crimes.

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Speaker 14: These are shocking and brutal acts that are completely unacceptable

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Speaker 14: beyond the pale for the international community. So whatever label

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Speaker 14: one wants to affix to them, the bottom line is this,

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Speaker 14: there must be accountability, and the United States will work

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Speaker 14: with the international community to make sure there's accountability.

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Speaker 15: You said today, as you said a number of times

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Speaker 15: about the importance of the laws of war being upheld,

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Speaker 15: Israel has killed Iran eleven thousand thouarst inians Iran. Two

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Speaker 15: thirds of those are women and children. The situation in

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Speaker 15: the hospitals is there. Israel has dropped an astronomical amount

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Speaker 15: of ordinance and very det up areas is Israel and

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Speaker 15: your viewing abiding by the laws of war when you

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Speaker 15: come to that.

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Speaker 8: Conclusion, well, as I said yesterday, I, Jake Sullivan, standing here,

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Speaker 8: am not in a position to judge and jury to

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Speaker 8: make that determination. It's a legal determination.

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Speaker 1: This not a judge and jury formulation has become the

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Speaker 1: standard go to when anyone is asked about Israeli war crimes.

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Speaker 1: I have lost track of how many cowardly Democrats have

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Speaker 1: deployed this moral cowardice in the face.

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Speaker 4: Of undeniable horrors.

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Speaker 1: Republicans, for their part, they're mostly more brazenly blood thirsty

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Speaker 1: in their own justifications. This tone, of course, comes right

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Speaker 1: from the top. President Biden himself no trouble calling Putent

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Speaker 1: a war criminal, accusing him of genocide on Israel. He

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Speaker 1: has not only demurred as his advisors did there, but

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Speaker 1: he has actively defended war crimes such as rating Alshifa Hospital,

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Speaker 1: causing untold civilian death numbering and at least the dozens

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Speaker 1: including premature babies. Now, if you're thinking this war doesn't

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Speaker 1: compare in any way to the brutality that was unleashed

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Speaker 1: on Ukrainians, you are one hundred percent correct. What Russia

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Speaker 1: unleashed pales in comparison to the horrors inflicted on all

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Speaker 1: two point two million people in Gaza. It's not even

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Speaker 1: close in the amount of destruction, in the absolute number

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Speaker 1: of civilians killed, in the targeting of civilian infratry structure,

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Speaker 1: and in the denial of.

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Speaker 4: The basic needs of life.

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Speaker 1: SUBSEEC journalist Caitlin Johnstone recently did announcence comparing just the

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Speaker 1: impact on children alone. As she writes, Israel has killed

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Speaker 1: as many children as Russia reportedly kidnapped, an action which

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Speaker 1: led to charges being filed at the International Criminal Court

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Speaker 1: against Putin. Why, she asks, is one a war crime

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Speaker 1: and the other apparently fine? Both are awful, obviously, but

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Speaker 1: it would seem pretty obvious that murder is worse than kidnapping. However,

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Speaker 1: we're supposed to, somehow supposed to reserve our horror only

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Speaker 1: for Putin. Of course, we all know the answer to

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Speaker 1: why we're supposed to apply completely different standards to these

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Speaker 1: two atrocities. It's never been more blatantly clear than right now.

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Speaker 1: International law is nothing but a cudgel to be used

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Speaker 1: against official enemy states. Once the US it's our allies.

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Speaker 1: Suddenly these crimes are erased, They're excused. The people who

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Speaker 1: were just pretending to care so deeply suddenly plead complete ignorance.

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Speaker 1: Even the New York Times has begun to report on

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Speaker 1: the unprecedented horrorse being unleashed on the people of God's

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Speaker 1: just based simply on the likely understated numbers which we

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Speaker 1: know today. They report that, quote, Gaza civilians under Israeli

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Speaker 1: Barraj are being killed at a historic pace. They go on,

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Speaker 1: while wartime death tolls will never be exact, experts say

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Speaker 1: that even a conservative reading the casualtly figures reported from

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Speaker 1: Gaza shows the pace of death during Israel's campaign has

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Speaker 1: few precedents in this century. People are being killed in

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Speaker 1: Gaza war quickly, they say, than even in the deadliest

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Speaker 1: moments of US led attacks in a Raq, Syria and Afghanistan,

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Speaker 1: which were themselves widely criticized by human rights groups. This

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Speaker 1: article cites the number of targets and the wildly destructive

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Speaker 1: two thousand pound bombs that have been used for reference

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Speaker 1: in the US bobbing of Mosil. We judged even five

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Speaker 1: hundred pound bombs to be too large for that type

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Speaker 1: of urban combat. A number of women and children killed

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Speaker 1: in Gaza's fast approaching the number that the US killed

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Speaker 1: in twenty years of war and occupation in Afghanistan. It's

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Speaker 1: double the number who've been killed in two years of

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Speaker 1: Russia's war in Ukraine. Now Ukraine is, of course a

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Speaker 1: nation of nearly forty four million, tiny Gaza is home

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Speaker 1: to roughly two million, more than sixty thousand buildings of

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Speaker 1: that destroyed in Gaza, and between the level of destruction

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Speaker 1: and the leveling of critical civilian infrastructure, all of northern

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Speaker 1: Gaza has.

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Speaker 4: Been rendered unlivable.

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Speaker 1: All of this before we talk about the desperate siege

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Speaker 1: conditions clearly amounting to collective punishment, which have been posed

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Speaker 1: on everyone from the elderly to the premature babies gasping

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Speaker 1: for air in hospitals with no electricity. If these politicians,

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Speaker 1: it's so called diplomats are suddenly ignorant of the laws

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Speaker 1: of war, They should feel free to seek the advice

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Speaker 1: of experts such as this, gentleman, you and Relief Chief

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Speaker 1: Martin Griffiths.

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Speaker 16: So you have been, you know, on the front line

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Speaker 16: of this since the beginning, but you've also been you know,

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Speaker 16: un special envoy and advisor to many, many, many issues. Yeah,

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Speaker 16: Man Syria, you've been in UNISEF, you've been doing this

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Speaker 16: for a long time. Head of Relief Operations NGOs, the

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Speaker 16: whole lot. Have you ever seen anything like this? Well,

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Speaker 16: how do you assess what's happening right now in terms

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Speaker 16: of humanitarian needs? In Gaza?

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Speaker 17: The worst ever Christian? And I don't say that lightly.

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Speaker 17: I mean I started off in my twenties dealing with

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Speaker 17: the Khmer rouge, and you remember how bad that was,

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Speaker 17: the killing feels and so forth. But sixty eight percent

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Speaker 17: of the people killed in Gaza are women and children.

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Speaker 17: They stopped counting the numbers of children killed after foreuna

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Speaker 17: half thousand had been counted. Nobody goes to school in Gaza.

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Speaker 17: Nobody knows what their future is. Hospitals have become a

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Speaker 17: place of war, not of curing. No, I don't think

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Speaker 17: I've seen anything like this before. It's complete and utter carnage.

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Speaker 1: I would ask you to really take those words in

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Speaker 1: when even typical israel pologies soundlet the New York Times

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Speaker 1: is acknowledging that the scale of the trast he's committed

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Speaker 1: to your outpace any that we've seen in modern history.

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Speaker 1: You know we are watching something historic in the level

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Speaker 1: of evil and butchery. And make no mistake, for all

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Speaker 1: their pleading ignorance, the Biden administration.

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Speaker 4: Knows that too.

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Speaker 1: That's why they worried that this temporary pause might allow

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Speaker 1: the world to see and really understand what has been

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Speaker 1: done with our backing, with our bombs, with our support

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Speaker 1: by our client state. Apparently, hypocrisy and selective outrage has

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Speaker 1: always been the rule of the international rules based order.

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Speaker 1: Not a soul could deny that. Now history will judge

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Speaker 1: with horror those with power who enabled these crimes against humanity.

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Speaker 1: Historians will write that this was when the US discarded

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Speaker 1: its last tattered thread of credibility and sager, you know

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Speaker 1: the world that we pretended to be in.

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Speaker 2: And if you want to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue,

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Speaker 2: become a premium subscriber today at breakingpoints, dot Com. Okay,

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Speaker 2: just so you know, monologues are going to be interspersed,

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Speaker 2: you know, throughout the weeks. We're not necessarily gonna be

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Speaker 2: able to do them everyday. Chrystal, we wanted to do

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Speaker 2: this one today. I'll probably do want to think on Thursday.

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking we're trying to fit them back into the workflow.

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Speaker 2: Is we're trying to manage Israel palestigns. But we support everybody.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your support for the show,

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Speaker 2: and yeah, it just means a lot to us as

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Speaker 2: we continue to try and work through.

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Speaker 12: All of this.

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Speaker 2: The crew and all the moving parts in this beautiful

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Speaker 2: holiday set that they were able to pull off.

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Speaker 3: We appreciate you very much and we'll see you all tomorrow.