WEBVTT - Part Two: The First Shah of Iran

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<v Speaker 1>As media.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to Behind the Bastards, a podcast about the

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<v Speaker 2>worst history in all of people or people in all

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<v Speaker 2>of history, whichever is accurate. I don't know. I randomly

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<v Speaker 2>put words together based on a predictive text algorithm, much

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<v Speaker 2>like an LLM, except for I use this collection of

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<v Speaker 2>bones with runes inscribed on them, and that's how the

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<v Speaker 2>podcast comes to you every week. Thousands of bones with

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<v Speaker 2>runs inscribed on them that I pick at random. Kava,

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<v Speaker 2>how would you like me to read some random bones

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<v Speaker 2>that might be about the Shah or not.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's do it. Let's roll the bones.

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<v Speaker 2>But also welcome back to the show.

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<v Speaker 3>Here. Sorry, yes, thank you again for having me. My

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<v Speaker 3>name is Cave Joda. I am a physician. I'm a gastrointrologist,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm also the host of a podcas ask called

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<v Speaker 3>The House of Pod. It is a humor adjacent little

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<v Speaker 3>medical podcast we look at well in the scrifter is

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<v Speaker 3>we look at what the MAHA community and the administration

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<v Speaker 3>is doing to our current healthcare and have a little

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<v Speaker 3>fun when we can with it. So you should check

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<v Speaker 3>it out anywhere you get your podcast after this, listen

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<v Speaker 3>to this. This is more important than afterwards listen to you.

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<v Speaker 3>You'll probably like it or your money back.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you done an episode about our mutual enemy yet?

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<v Speaker 3>Which one? I feel like we have a number rfk

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<v Speaker 3>jor I've done a number one?

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no no. Our mutual enemy that we talk

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<v Speaker 1>about on the side often.

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<v Speaker 3>We did talk about can I say his name? Is that? Okay?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't like to give him more airtime than he

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<v Speaker 3>but Vine pissad Yeah, yeah, I like him. I like him.

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<v Speaker 3>He doesn't like me. I have no problem with him.

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<v Speaker 3>But he's been involved in a lot of aspects of

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<v Speaker 3>medical or medical care recently in the country that I've

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<v Speaker 3>disagreed with. And we actually did talk about him recently

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<v Speaker 3>in our of our more recent episode, So yes, you

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<v Speaker 3>could listen to the podcast and here are The episode

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<v Speaker 3>is influence versus Evidence, and we talk about kind of

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<v Speaker 3>what's happening out there right now in our current healthcare administration.

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<v Speaker 3>He's not a fan of his. It's mostly good, right, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean ninety nine percent great.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything's fine, Everything is great.

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<v Speaker 3>Everything is really If you're really into communicable diseases things,

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<v Speaker 3>this is a good time.

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<v Speaker 2>Excellent. I love communicable diseases and my favorite communicable disease

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<v Speaker 2>is knowledge.

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<v Speaker 3>I was going to say it, I swear to God,

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<v Speaker 3>I was going to say.

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<v Speaker 2>It, let's spread some together. Yeah. So, in the four

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<v Speaker 2>years after the October Revolution in Russia, Persia had been

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<v Speaker 2>the site of bloody and constant conflict between Britain and Russia. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>there's this brief period in World War One where they're

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<v Speaker 2>kind of fighting together against the Ottomans in Persia as

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<v Speaker 2>opposed stuff fucking with each other, and then we've got

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<v Speaker 2>our revolution and the Bolsheviks are fighting the Whites, and

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<v Speaker 2>Britain goes right back to fight in Russia. Right now,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess it's a little different in that they also

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<v Speaker 2>have allies who are Russians in this case too, so

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<v Speaker 2>they're not fighting all of the Russians, just most of

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<v Speaker 2>the Russians. And basically the kind of broad strokes of

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<v Speaker 2>this conflict are the Brits see Persia because they've already

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<v Speaker 2>got a good base in the area, and they get

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<v Speaker 2>resources there, they have interests there, they have a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of forces that they can get there. It's a great springboard.

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<v Speaker 2>It also borders Russia, so it's a great springboard for

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<v Speaker 2>them to use as a base from which to support

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<v Speaker 2>the White Army and the Russian Civil War.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>The Soviets meanwhile, don't want Britain doing that because it's

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<v Speaker 2>bad for them. Right, So the Soviet Union annexes chunks

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<v Speaker 2>of northern Persia and they create a the Persian Socialist

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<v Speaker 2>Soviet Republic. Right, there's like a I mean, it's more

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<v Speaker 2>complicated than that, right, there's and obviously there's local and

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<v Speaker 2>like within like Persians who are communists who are part

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<v Speaker 2>of this and like want to There's partisans and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>It's much more complicated than all that. But broadly speaking,

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<v Speaker 2>you've got the Brits and the area they control in

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<v Speaker 2>Persia that they want to use as a base to

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<v Speaker 2>support the White Army in Russia. And then you've got

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<v Speaker 2>this chunk of northern Persia that is aligned with the USSR,

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<v Speaker 2>that is itself at least nominally Bolshevik, that the Bolsheviks

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<v Speaker 2>are using as a base, right, and there's fighting betwixt

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<v Speaker 2>the two. Now. The Quajars are still like that shot them,

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<v Speaker 2>that line of Shaws is still in control technically at

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<v Speaker 2>the point at which all this is going on, but

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<v Speaker 2>they fail to exert They can't. They don't have any power, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Like the Shaws are useless in this conflict. They don't

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<v Speaker 2>really have any ability to influence what the Russians are

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<v Speaker 2>doing because the Bolsheviks had just killed their czar, so

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<v Speaker 2>they're sure as hell not going to listen to some

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<v Speaker 2>Shah in Persia that they never respected to begin with. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 2>the Shah like personally like the guy who was Shaw

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<v Speaker 2>now is that dude who was like twelve when he

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<v Speaker 2>came to power and has been ruled like a regent,

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<v Speaker 2>was running things And there's like a triumvirent of guys

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<v Speaker 2>who aren't the Shah who are mostly running things in

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<v Speaker 2>the Persian central government. And so during this period after

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<v Speaker 2>World War One, the central government's like bleeding provinces and

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<v Speaker 2>big chunks of the army just kind of disappear into

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<v Speaker 2>comical puffs of smoke because they didn't really want to

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<v Speaker 2>be in the army and when push came to shove,

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<v Speaker 2>they're like, nahhh, go back home, no, no thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>So the only meaningful force opposing the Soviets are the

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<v Speaker 2>Cossacks and the Cossack Brigade, and they're British backers. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a little more complicated than that. But that's the

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<v Speaker 2>broad strokes now.

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<v Speaker 3>But the Cossacks at this point, the Cossacks are not

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<v Speaker 3>reporting back.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes and no.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's the part I don't understand here.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's weird again. Russia's not everyone in Russia is

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<v Speaker 2>a Bolshevik. There's a there's a civil war, right, So

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<v Speaker 2>you've got a bunch of Russians or white Russians who

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<v Speaker 2>support at least not the Soviet Union happening, right, generally

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<v Speaker 2>they support some sort of return to the monarchy or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>So, and a lot of Cossacks support the white Russians.

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<v Speaker 2>Because the Cossacks had been the Tsar's shock troops, a

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<v Speaker 2>shitload of them wind up in the White forces, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and when during this period of time, the Persian Cossack

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<v Speaker 2>brigade is still led by a Russian officer, Like, it's

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<v Speaker 2>still a Russian colonel who's in charge of the brigade.

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<v Speaker 2>But that russian's a white, right, so he's siding with

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<v Speaker 2>the British in their efforts to help the whites against

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<v Speaker 2>the Bolsheviks. These are very messy wars. Does that make sense?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, as someone who is currently living through the

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<v Speaker 3>Iranian diaspora dealing with the Iran War, I think I

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<v Speaker 3>can understand a little bit of the complexity of this,

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<v Speaker 3>and this is all starting to make sense in a

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<v Speaker 3>historical context.

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<v Speaker 2>To me, it's fucking messy this whole period, because it's

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<v Speaker 2>not just Britain that's intervening in the Russian Civil War,

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<v Speaker 2>like the United States has forces too, Like there's a

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<v Speaker 2>whole allied intervention force. This is number one, barely talked

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<v Speaker 2>about anymore, but really complicated everything that's going on in

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<v Speaker 2>this period of time. I'm really smoothing the edges down

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<v Speaker 2>just because we can't get into too much detail about

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<v Speaker 2>all of the shit that's going on. But right, that's

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<v Speaker 2>why the Cossacks are on the side of the Brits here,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. So this is not nineteen nineteen, nineteen twenty,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen twenty one. This is not when like Domino theory

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't really exist in the form it's going to exist.

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<v Speaker 2>But conservative reactionaries have already started sessing out the basic tenets, right,

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<v Speaker 2>They're already telling people, well, look, if Persia falls to communism,

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<v Speaker 2>where all it stop?

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<v Speaker 3>Right now?

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously, Great Britain's real interest here is that if Persia

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<v Speaker 2>falls to communism, they're not going to get cheap oil

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<v Speaker 2>anymore for the Navy, And that's the real.

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<v Speaker 3>Problem, right, love that oil.

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<v Speaker 2>Their other problem is they have to keep troops in

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<v Speaker 2>Persia during this whole period of time, like their own guys,

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<v Speaker 2>the Cossacks alone can't hold shit. If they want to

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<v Speaker 2>know that that oil is safe, they have to have

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<v Speaker 2>their own dudes there and that costs a lot of money.

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<v Speaker 2>So in nineteen twenty one, Great Britain's two main interests

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<v Speaker 2>in Persia are stop it from falling to the Communists

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<v Speaker 2>and if we didn't have to keep our soldiers here

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<v Speaker 2>to do that, it would sure be great. Right, those

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<v Speaker 2>are their primary concerns. Now, I want to take you

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<v Speaker 2>back in time. I know, I just was talking about

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<v Speaker 2>the Russian Civil War era to talk a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>about how things within like the oil company working in

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<v Speaker 2>Persia evolved over like the early nineteen hundreds up to

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen twenty one, right, because we didn't really talk about

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<v Speaker 2>that so much in the last episode, and it does matter.

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<v Speaker 2>So in nineteen oh nine that entrepreneur Darcy and the

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<v Speaker 2>company that he partnered with had transferred their rights basically

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<v Speaker 2>had gotten in bed with another company because they needed

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<v Speaker 2>more money to do the infrastructure necessary to get oil

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<v Speaker 2>out of Persia. And this new company is called Anglo

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<v Speaker 2>Persian Oil or APOC APOC. Remember these names, you're it's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be real interesting what happens to Anglo Persian Oil

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<v Speaker 2>in the modern era. Now, The way in which APOC

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<v Speaker 2>functioned from nineteen oh nine to nineteen twenty one does

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<v Speaker 2>a good job of showing how dysfunctional the central government

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<v Speaker 2>of Persia was by this point, how bad the Quajar

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<v Speaker 2>monarchy is at actually like governing the country because APOC

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't deal with Tehran at all. They don't talk to

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<v Speaker 2>the Shah, They ignore the capital completely because their oil

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<v Speaker 2>wells and shit aren't near the capital, and the royal

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<v Speaker 2>wells are in the territory of a bunch of like

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<v Speaker 2>there's a mix of like sheikhs and baktari cons which

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<v Speaker 2>are like different like basically tribal level leaders who actually

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<v Speaker 2>control the territory where they're drilling for oil and transporting oil.

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<v Speaker 2>And so the oil company is like, why would we

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<v Speaker 2>talk to Tehran. They don't have any power here. They

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<v Speaker 2>can barely keep the capital. I'm gonna make deals with

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<v Speaker 2>these local guys. They have the guns and the labor force. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>the capitol is not gonna do anything but take bribes

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<v Speaker 2>for me buck them. Yeah, so that shows you how

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<v Speaker 2>weak the government is at this point in time. As

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<v Speaker 2>a matter of fact, when the deal between Apok and

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<v Speaker 2>these different tribal groups was concluded in nineteen ten, the

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<v Speaker 2>company illegally imported a thousand laborers from India without talking

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<v Speaker 2>to anyone in the Persian government. They take a thousand

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<v Speaker 2>Indians and make them work in Persia and they don't

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<v Speaker 2>ask anybody in the fucking government. It's like they don't

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<v Speaker 2>talk to the first there's no visas for these motherfuckers.

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<v Speaker 3>They just don't look. They don't they never do. They

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<v Speaker 3>never look at Persians as real people. It kid this

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<v Speaker 3>colonial mindset and it doesn't it so never goes away.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I mean maybe now it's gone away, but

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<v Speaker 3>like it was so intrinsic to who they rte intrinsic

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<v Speaker 3>to who they were as people that they just couldn't

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<v Speaker 3>see the people living there as being worthy a warranting

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<v Speaker 3>even that kind of dis.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's fucking nuts. And it's it's really like it

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<v Speaker 2>as an idea for like how messed up their attitude

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<v Speaker 2>towards like Persians is period they part of the agreement

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<v Speaker 2>with these like local shakes and cons is will hire

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<v Speaker 2>a thousand locals to work in the oil plants. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>but they legally start bringing in a bunch of Indian

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<v Speaker 2>workers to do most of the work, Like they aren't

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<v Speaker 2>going to hire any more than the minimum they have

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<v Speaker 2>agreed of local people. Right. I want to quote again

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<v Speaker 2>from that piece Sharen Brysac wrote for the World Policy Journal,

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<v Speaker 2>and what became a chronic grievance. APOK gave Britains and

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<v Speaker 2>Indians the best jobs, relegating Persians to menial roles. Foreigners

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<v Speaker 2>occupied the best houses, claimed to membership in the exclusive

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<v Speaker 2>Persian Club, and sent their children to schools and segregated cantonments.

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<v Speaker 2>There were even fountains marked not for Iranians. Feeding the

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<v Speaker 2>cycle of and during resentment that was to characterize subsequent relations. Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>Basically they're not giving like they they'll let you like

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<v Speaker 2>transport shit, but they don't give you anything. They're not

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<v Speaker 2>getting like the most dangerous jobs. But they're not getting

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<v Speaker 2>good jobs either. They're not getting anything that pays well.

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<v Speaker 2>And in the areas where the company is activated, there's

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<v Speaker 2>segregation against the indigenous people who live there, like.

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<v Speaker 3>And they're they're so smart, they're never gonna let the

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<v Speaker 3>Iranians that are there, yea, get to higher positions where

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<v Speaker 3>they can actually learn the oil industry, where they can

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<v Speaker 3>actually learn how to do this, because heaven forbid if

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<v Speaker 3>they were, yeah, they would run it themselves, so purposely

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<v Speaker 3>keeping them in the dark.

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<v Speaker 2>And then imagine there's segregation in your country because a

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<v Speaker 2>guy came in last week and is like, nah, you

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<v Speaker 2>don't get to use the same like water fountains because

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<v Speaker 2>we're getting oil out of here now. Like if it's

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<v Speaker 2>just if it's just a thing that happened a week ago,

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<v Speaker 2>like how that would like like piss you off? Like

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<v Speaker 2>what you guys just got here?

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<v Speaker 3>Like we are so easily offended. So people, I have

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<v Speaker 3>to tell you this.

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<v Speaker 2>Is like anyone would be in this auriating.

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<v Speaker 3>I've seen Iranians get pretty offended for much less then

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<v Speaker 3>having a segregated water fountain.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is nuts, okay, because some fucker just comes

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<v Speaker 2>in a week ago and is like, oh, no, this

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<v Speaker 2>isn't your place anymore. There's oil here. This is British property. So,

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<v Speaker 2>as I noted in the first episode. In nineteen fourteen,

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<v Speaker 2>the British Parliament had had voted for a proposal pushed

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<v Speaker 2>by Churchill to fuel the Royal Navy with Persian oil.

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<v Speaker 2>As part of this deal, the British government purchased fifty

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<v Speaker 2>one percent of Anglo Persian Oil, ensuring it would remain

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<v Speaker 2>an all British company, which is again them saying We're

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<v Speaker 2>not gonna let the locals run anything. We won't even

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<v Speaker 2>let them know how to run anything. This is always

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<v Speaker 2>going to be our shit. So by nineteen twenty one,

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<v Speaker 2>Northern Persia is a Soviet satellite and guerrilla fighters are

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<v Speaker 2>advancing on Tehran, which basically can't defend itself without foreign help.

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<v Speaker 2>There are the Cossacks, which are primarily made up of

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<v Speaker 2>Persian soldiers and they are functional, but the government can't

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<v Speaker 2>even pay them right like, the Cossacks are being paid

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<v Speaker 2>entirely by Great Britain by this point in time, and

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<v Speaker 2>Great Britain has to send her own soldiers to occupy

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<v Speaker 2>large tracks of Persian territory in nineteen eighteen just to

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<v Speaker 2>stop a total Bolshevik victory in the area. Now one

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<v Speaker 2>of these Cossacks getting paid by the British in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>twenty one is our friend Resa Khan, who at that

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<v Speaker 2>point has been promoted to colonel. Right, this is machine

0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:22.400
<v Speaker 2>gun Resa. So there is Khan.

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<v Speaker 3>From stable boy to machine gun Reza. That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>Still can't read, but he could shoot people.

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<v Speaker 3>You shoot that gun. Good.

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<v Speaker 2>Khan and his men and about fifty five hundred British

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<v Speaker 2>colonial troops are holding the line against the communists. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>while British Foreign Secretary Kurzon drafts what becomes known as

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<v Speaker 2>the Anglo Persian Treaty. This authorizes the stationing of British

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<v Speaker 2>veterans to build a functional army for the central government. Basically,

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<v Speaker 2>Britain's going to send experts so that the central government

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<v Speaker 2>can build an army that actually works. Right, that's not

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<v Speaker 2>just the Cossacks. We want there to be a functional

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<v Speaker 2>army here so we don't have to keep ours here.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're going to send experts in and we're also

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<v Speaker 2>going to put a bunch of investment money into Persia

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<v Speaker 2>to build railroads and reorganize the economy. All of this

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<v Speaker 2>is to keep the oil flowing. None of this is

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<v Speaker 2>for the benefit of regular Persians. The army and the

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<v Speaker 2>railroads and the economy are also that this is a

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<v Speaker 2>stable place for the Royal Navy to get its fuel from.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now, this plan is to be paid for by

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<v Speaker 2>a two million pound loan issued by Great Britain, who

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<v Speaker 2>would collect customs duties to pay the loan back directly

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<v Speaker 2>from Persians. In effect, British tax collectors are now directly

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<v Speaker 2>taxing Persian citizens to pay for the things that they're

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<v Speaker 2>doing in order to make sure Great Britain has continued

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<v Speaker 2>access to basically cheap oil. Right the tax.

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<v Speaker 3>So angry the more I learn about this history, it's

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<v Speaker 3>a it's a good thing. I love your colleague James

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<v Speaker 3>Stout so much because sometimes I learn about the things

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<v Speaker 3>of Britain and get so mad. But he's so lovable.

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<v Speaker 3>It's okay, it's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>We are Americans. It's not like we can get We

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<v Speaker 2>don't have that much of a leg to stand on

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<v Speaker 2>these days.

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<v Speaker 3>True, I'm so confused. I'm torn between two groups of

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<v Speaker 3>terrible things.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, that's right, it's the it's the team Jacob,

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<v Speaker 2>a Team Edward of colonialism. So yeah, Great Great Britain's

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<v Speaker 2>taxing Persia directly. And if it's not, if the British

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<v Speaker 2>aren't directly running the government. Most Persians sure as hell

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<v Speaker 2>think they are. At this point in time. Right at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of World War One, the Bolsheviks had published

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of documents that they'd seized from the Tsar's

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<v Speaker 2>palace revealing secret wartime pacts. And one of these secret

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<v Speaker 2>wartime pacts was Britain offering Russia the Dardanels in exchange

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<v Speaker 2>for giving Britain Persia. Right, so this comes out and

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<v Speaker 2>people in Tehran, educated Persians are obviously like, oh so,

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<v Speaker 2>like they they just bought us. Basically, they bribed the

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<v Speaker 2>Czar for us, and they think they own our entire

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<v Speaker 2>ass country now. And this helps spawn massive resistance to

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<v Speaker 2>this treaty that Secretary Curzon has put together. Initially, Curzon

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<v Speaker 2>is not all that concerned. He states the case will

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<v Speaker 2>be settled by cash, and then he proceeds to organize

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and thirty one thousand pound bribe to the

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<v Speaker 2>three man triumvirate governing Persia on behalf of the Shah.

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<v Speaker 2>These three guys agree to the bribe, and Kurzon, being

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<v Speaker 2>a genius, is said to have declared the treaty a

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<v Speaker 2>great triumph, and I have done it all alone, like.

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<v Speaker 3>Great Brandy.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, so we're gonna we're gonna tax these people

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<v Speaker 2>to build an army to protect our oil basically and

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<v Speaker 2>to keep them oppressed. And the people are like, we

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<v Speaker 2>don't like that, and he's like, but I bribed three men,

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<v Speaker 2>solving the problem forever all on my own. But unfortunately

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<v Speaker 2>for Kurzon, that damned free press I mentioned earlier got

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<v Speaker 2>to work and they reported on the fact that Persia's

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<v Speaker 2>growing try It had sold the country for a song.

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<v Speaker 2>Next per Brysex article, the treaty was broocked by the

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<v Speaker 2>Mosleys and three successive Persian prime ministers fell. So basically,

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<v Speaker 2>three successive governments failed to gain whatever they need to

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<v Speaker 2>do in the parliament to be able to govern as

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<v Speaker 2>a result of resistance to this treaty, which gets it

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<v Speaker 2>blocked in Tehran. Now this causes chaos because the British

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<v Speaker 2>are this is fucked up of them, But also British

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<v Speaker 2>money and guns is the only thing propping this government

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<v Speaker 2>up at the time, right, so when the treaty gets blocked,

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<v Speaker 2>things aren't just like good.

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<v Speaker 3>You know that could from that peacock throne they could

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<v Speaker 3>sell then it looks like.

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<v Speaker 2>It's worth the money. Yeah yeah, so chaos envelops the

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<v Speaker 2>capital city and back home in London, the lords of

0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:51.679
<v Speaker 2>the Admiralty are really have real reason to fear that

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<v Speaker 2>they might lose their hookup to cheap gas. Now, Curzon

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<v Speaker 2>had basically been like, the fuck around and pretend we

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<v Speaker 2>care about international log Like he's bribing these dudes, but

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<v Speaker 2>he's trying to frame it as like a legal treaty

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<v Speaker 2>in an agreement between states. And since Operation Bride three

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<v Speaker 2>Guys failed, all eyes turned to one of the top

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<v Speaker 2>ranking generals in the Royal Army Field, Marshal William Edmund Ironside,

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<v Speaker 2>who was referred to as the Lord Ironside, a name

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<v Speaker 2>George Lucas would laugh at you for giving to a

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<v Speaker 2>character in a fictional story.

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<v Speaker 3>Like the Lord. Okay, we get it much.

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<v Speaker 2>It's he was also nicknamed Tiny William Tiny Ironside.

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<v Speaker 3>Ironside. That's pretty amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's gonna suck to being born with that cooler name

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<v Speaker 2>and like knowing you're going to be a military leader,

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<v Speaker 2>but also being a little guy, like because people are

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<v Speaker 2>gonna call you tiny, Like Tiny Ironside is just less

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<v Speaker 2>cool than the Lord iron Side.

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<v Speaker 3>With that name, your options are limited. You're like, if

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<v Speaker 3>you're an iron.

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<v Speaker 2>Size, you can only be in the military. He doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>care for joining the army.

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<v Speaker 3>Or you could be an actor from Starship Troopers and

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<v Speaker 3>that's it. Those are your two editions.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it. That's right. And unfortunately Starship Troopers had not

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<v Speaker 2>quite been invented yet. We we we had barely harnessed

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<v Speaker 2>the technology to create Paul Verhoven at that point, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he was he was still just stating, I believe.

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<v Speaker 3>So.

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<v Speaker 2>The best way I can describe the Lord Ironside physically,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're not looking at you know, the video version

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<v Speaker 2>of this because most people listen to it because it's

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<v Speaker 2>a podcast, the best way I can describe him is

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<v Speaker 2>that he had the face of a man who didn't

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<v Speaker 2>understand why other nations beside England should exist, Like like,

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<v Speaker 2>look at this guy's face, Like that is a face

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<v Speaker 2>of confusion that there are other countries.

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<v Speaker 3>What are they doing? Look at them with the brown

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<v Speaker 3>the country smells coming off their food food.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not all was there My British rib was going

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<v Speaker 2>everywhere there. I think you're more consistent than me.

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<v Speaker 1>He's got Lord mount Batton energy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, he does. He has strong the iration have

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<v Speaker 2>blown up a both. This guy was on energy. That's

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<v Speaker 2>what I'll say about this fucker, although he has bad

0:21:18.040 --> 0:21:21.480
<v Speaker 2>luck with planes not boats. So, Ironside had been made

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<v Speaker 2>commander of the Allied Intervention Force in Northern Russia during

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<v Speaker 2>the Russian Civil War, and he had been reassigned to

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<v Speaker 2>Persia in nineteen twenty one, and basically as soon as

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<v Speaker 2>he arrives in country, he sees Colonel Khan or Reza

0:21:35.000 --> 0:21:37.359
<v Speaker 2>at the time, right, and he spots this guy, and

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<v Speaker 2>he's like, this dude looks like a good person to

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<v Speaker 2>charm and put in position as like a military strong man.

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<v Speaker 2>That might be what happened, or Resa might have looked

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<v Speaker 2>at this guy and immediately been like, all right, this

0:21:50.040 --> 0:21:52.399
<v Speaker 2>is the British dude I need to charm, right. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't actually know which is truer. There are two different versions,

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<v Speaker 2>one of which is that Ironside manipulates Reza because he

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<v Speaker 2>needs a guy. The other is that Resin manipulates Ironside

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<v Speaker 2>because it gets him what it wants. I think probably

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<v Speaker 2>both are true. Both guys see each other as useful, right.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the typical narrative about Resion is that he was

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<v Speaker 3>not extraordinarily bright, not well resident mentioned, but he did.

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<v Speaker 3>He did have a sense for power, and it's really good. Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and he could root out sort of a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>of Oh, this dude seems to be like a good

0:22:27.840 --> 0:22:31.080
<v Speaker 3>you know, ship took my you know whatever, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>the saying hook my ship to or whatever. What's the

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<v Speaker 3>worst again, sale, I don't know.

0:22:36.320 --> 0:22:39.960
<v Speaker 2>Good, but probably pitch his boat to or whatever. That's right,

0:22:40.840 --> 0:22:42.720
<v Speaker 2>tie his horse to. I don't know, but this, I

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<v Speaker 2>think this is good. That is a good point about

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<v Speaker 2>Like I try to make this point often about what

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<v Speaker 2>intelligence is, because there's a bunch of climate scientists out there,

0:22:51.359 --> 0:22:53.400
<v Speaker 2>and any one of them is smarter than Donald Trump

0:22:53.480 --> 0:22:56.280
<v Speaker 2>in a million ways. But Donald Trump is smarter than

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<v Speaker 2>all of them at how you acquire power in a

0:22:59.440 --> 0:23:02.320
<v Speaker 2>democratic society and use it for your own benefit. Now,

0:23:02.359 --> 0:23:04.399
<v Speaker 2>part of why he's smarter at that is that he

0:23:04.440 --> 0:23:08.440
<v Speaker 2>has absolutely normal scruples whatsoever. But he's completely negated many

0:23:08.440 --> 0:23:10.960
<v Speaker 2>people's life's work who are much smarter than him because

0:23:10.960 --> 0:23:13.320
<v Speaker 2>he has that kind of intelligence. And Reza Khan is

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<v Speaker 2>also that kind of guy. He can't read. He's not

0:23:16.240 --> 0:23:20.680
<v Speaker 2>super bright in that way, but He's incredibly intelligent socially,

0:23:20.920 --> 0:23:23.240
<v Speaker 2>and he is very good at making every British guy

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<v Speaker 2>he meets love him. And that's all that matters in

0:23:27.040 --> 0:23:28.840
<v Speaker 2>Persian politics at this point in time.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's what my wagon to.

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<v Speaker 2>My wagon too. I can't believe none of us could

0:23:33.640 --> 0:23:38.520
<v Speaker 2>fucking figure. And there is evidence that the Lord Ironside

0:23:38.560 --> 0:23:42.040
<v Speaker 2>Tiny is charmed by Reza. He describes him upon meeting

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<v Speaker 2>him as quote a man and the straightest I have

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<v Speaker 2>met yet, the real life and soul of the show.

0:23:49.160 --> 0:23:51.479
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't mean that in like a sexual sentiment. It

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<v Speaker 2>is funny to be like, that's the straightest man I've

0:23:53.680 --> 0:23:57.040
<v Speaker 2>met yet. Almost is like, and I've been fucking my

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<v Speaker 2>way through this country too, so I can tell a

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<v Speaker 2>straight one.

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<v Speaker 3>It's funny too, because, like you know, when Reza Hahn

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<v Speaker 3>is raising his son, Mohammed Reza, which goes on to

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<v Speaker 3>be the shaw that people think of as a shaw

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<v Speaker 3>in modern time.

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<v Speaker 2>Will say the shaw they're talking about this guy's son.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, when he's raising him, he is he there's like

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<v Speaker 3>no emotional connection there of any kind. Absolutely, he doesn't.

0:24:21.440 --> 0:24:23.760
<v Speaker 3>He treats him as a subordinate because he was one

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<v Speaker 3>of these old school dudes who is under the belief

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<v Speaker 3>that showing your son affection would make them gay. That

0:24:29.080 --> 0:24:30.640
<v Speaker 3>was like, that was his whole.

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<v Speaker 2>Bag absolutely well. And again, to be fair, his mom

0:24:34.200 --> 0:24:37.560
<v Speaker 2>abandons him after her husband dies when he's eight months old,

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<v Speaker 2>to be like, go, I'm gonna try again with a

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<v Speaker 2>new family.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry. Yeah, yeah, his uncle probably wasn't great either, me

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<v Speaker 3>if we're like, I'm sure his uncle was not like

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<v Speaker 3>a super enlightening guy.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, this kid's first healthy relationship is with a

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<v Speaker 2>machine gun. Like, it's not shocking. He becomes the man

0:24:56.160 --> 0:25:00.080
<v Speaker 2>he is. You know who else had a healthy relationship

0:25:00.119 --> 0:25:01.800
<v Speaker 2>with automatic weaponry?

0:25:02.880 --> 0:25:04.439
<v Speaker 3>Hello, fresh, I hear they?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yet they love them?

0:25:06.240 --> 0:25:08.200
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god them. Can't genough of them.

0:25:08.200 --> 0:25:11.040
<v Speaker 2>They own a lot of machine guns, a shocking number.

0:25:11.080 --> 0:25:21.639
<v Speaker 2>Why we can't tell you by their product. And we're back,

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<v Speaker 2>so we just let that happen. Huh okay, cool, so

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<v Speaker 2>uh yeah, good stuff. So Resicon, as we've noted, was

0:25:31.040 --> 0:25:33.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, not a bright guy in a lot of ways.

0:25:33.760 --> 0:25:37.640
<v Speaker 2>But he's very well liked by British people, particularly by

0:25:37.640 --> 0:25:41.719
<v Speaker 2>the Lord Ironside, who promotes Reza to brigadier general and

0:25:41.760 --> 0:25:44.840
<v Speaker 2>makes him commander of the Cossack brigade in nineteen twenty one.

0:25:45.280 --> 0:25:47.600
<v Speaker 2>He sits down with the newly minted general and the

0:25:47.640 --> 0:25:51.000
<v Speaker 2>British officer acting as paymaster for the local Persian forces,

0:25:51.200 --> 0:25:54.119
<v Speaker 2>and he tells both men Britain won't stop him if

0:25:54.160 --> 0:25:56.320
<v Speaker 2>he sees his power. Basically, he sits down with these

0:25:56.359 --> 0:25:58.840
<v Speaker 2>guys and he's like, look, if you want to take

0:25:58.880 --> 0:26:01.800
<v Speaker 2>control of the country, we won't do anything as long

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<v Speaker 2>as you don't depose the current Shaw. Right, that guy's

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<v Speaker 2>technically our friend. So I'll keep Ahmed Shaws. Is that

0:26:09.200 --> 0:26:11.840
<v Speaker 2>the current Shaw's name? Keep Ahmed Shah the Shah? But

0:26:11.840 --> 0:26:13.959
<v Speaker 2>you can't do anything else you want, right Basically, and

0:26:14.000 --> 0:26:16.840
<v Speaker 2>Res is like, hey, bro, sounds cool to me. You know,

0:26:17.080 --> 0:26:19.320
<v Speaker 2>I'll take that deal any day of the week. And

0:26:19.359 --> 0:26:20.240
<v Speaker 2>he takes that deal.

0:26:20.400 --> 0:26:22.760
<v Speaker 3>Right. Is that the twelve year old? Is it that

0:26:22.800 --> 0:26:25.280
<v Speaker 3>the Ahmed Shaw is the twelve year old Shaw? Are

0:26:25.280 --> 0:26:26.600
<v Speaker 3>we onto a different show now?

0:26:26.800 --> 0:26:29.560
<v Speaker 2>I mean he starts as twelve, He's not twelve.

0:26:30.640 --> 0:26:33.040
<v Speaker 3>I recognize that people don't stay the age that when

0:26:33.040 --> 0:26:34.320
<v Speaker 3>you meet them, you know, yeah.

0:26:34.240 --> 0:26:36.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but yes he is that kid. That's how he

0:26:36.680 --> 0:26:42.040
<v Speaker 2>gains power initially, right, Yeah, So Ironside is like, hey, man,

0:26:42.320 --> 0:26:43.960
<v Speaker 2>if you want to be in charge, just don't depose

0:26:44.000 --> 0:26:46.320
<v Speaker 2>the sha. We'll back your play. And then he let goes,

0:26:46.560 --> 0:26:49.639
<v Speaker 2>claps his hands together, wipes them off, and leaves the

0:26:49.640 --> 0:26:53.160
<v Speaker 2>fucking country for Egypt. He's just gone right, He sets

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<v Speaker 2>up the dominoes and he fucking bounces so. Not long

0:26:56.680 --> 0:26:59.800
<v Speaker 2>after he leaves, on February twentieth, Resa marches a column

0:26:59.840 --> 0:27:03.640
<v Speaker 2>of six hundred men six hundred cossacks towards the undefended capital.

0:27:04.040 --> 0:27:06.760
<v Speaker 2>All other military forces in the local police were ordered

0:27:06.760 --> 0:27:09.159
<v Speaker 2>to stay inside and keep their goddamn mouth shut. And

0:27:09.560 --> 0:27:12.600
<v Speaker 2>the coup that follows isn't totally peaceful, but it's like

0:27:14.320 --> 0:27:17.760
<v Speaker 2>a fairly minimal amount of bloodshed for a coup detta, right,

0:27:17.800 --> 0:27:20.640
<v Speaker 2>but it is a coup d'ta now. Depending on which

0:27:20.760 --> 0:27:23.760
<v Speaker 2>historians you like best, Reza Khan is either a bold

0:27:23.760 --> 0:27:26.200
<v Speaker 2>opportunist who execute his own coup with a little help

0:27:26.240 --> 0:27:28.920
<v Speaker 2>from his British friends. Beside their promise not to intervene,

0:27:28.920 --> 0:27:31.359
<v Speaker 2>they don't do much other than not stop him. And

0:27:31.400 --> 0:27:32.919
<v Speaker 2>the other way to look at this is that Reza

0:27:33.000 --> 0:27:34.920
<v Speaker 2>is a total pawn of the Brits, a chess piece

0:27:34.960 --> 0:27:37.520
<v Speaker 2>maneuvered into position by the Lord Ironside to block the

0:27:37.520 --> 0:27:40.240
<v Speaker 2>Reds and keep the Royal Navy fueled. I'd never want

0:27:40.240 --> 0:27:42.919
<v Speaker 2>to argue for a reduced British culpability in all of this.

0:27:43.040 --> 0:27:45.359
<v Speaker 2>But if Ironside was the mastermind here, he was a

0:27:45.480 --> 0:27:47.920
<v Speaker 2>very hands off one, because as soon as he leaves

0:27:47.960 --> 0:27:51.280
<v Speaker 2>Iran for Egypt, he's grievously wounded in a plane crash,

0:27:51.440 --> 0:27:54.400
<v Speaker 2>and he's like recuperating in the hospital while the Khan

0:27:54.680 --> 0:27:59.800
<v Speaker 2>overthrows the government and takes power right Princeton historian Richard Olman,

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<v Speaker 2>it is idle to speculate upon whether or not he

0:28:02.720 --> 0:28:05.359
<v Speaker 2>would eventually have come to power had Ironside not singled

0:28:05.400 --> 0:28:07.280
<v Speaker 2>him out. But it is clear that Ironside and his

0:28:07.320 --> 0:28:10.639
<v Speaker 2>British colleagues were largely instrumental in placing Resicon in a

0:28:10.680 --> 0:28:13.000
<v Speaker 2>position to bring about the coup at Dah, and I

0:28:13.040 --> 0:28:15.920
<v Speaker 2>think that's accurate. Resiicon doesn't need much help from them

0:28:16.000 --> 0:28:18.800
<v Speaker 2>other than backing out right. He's got the guys and

0:28:18.840 --> 0:28:20.760
<v Speaker 2>the guns to do this, and he has a skill

0:28:21.280 --> 0:28:24.359
<v Speaker 2>for building an army. He's going to very effectively get

0:28:24.400 --> 0:28:27.800
<v Speaker 2>more guys and more guns because he doesn't have enough

0:28:27.880 --> 0:28:30.239
<v Speaker 2>at the start of this to control much more than

0:28:30.240 --> 0:28:30.840
<v Speaker 2>the capital.

0:28:30.960 --> 0:28:31.160
<v Speaker 3>Right.

0:28:31.640 --> 0:28:34.000
<v Speaker 2>Once he takes power in the capitol, he still has

0:28:34.040 --> 0:28:36.879
<v Speaker 2>a lot of shit to do, and there's a year's

0:28:36.960 --> 0:28:39.520
<v Speaker 2>long road before he becomes the Shaw. He's not the

0:28:39.600 --> 0:28:44.040
<v Speaker 2>Shaw after this coup. He's technically the War Minister for Persia,

0:28:44.080 --> 0:28:46.760
<v Speaker 2>which is a new position that makes him the commander

0:28:46.760 --> 0:28:49.560
<v Speaker 2>in chief of the military but also lets him basically

0:28:49.600 --> 0:28:52.280
<v Speaker 2>pick his own prime minister. And here's how he looks

0:28:52.320 --> 0:28:53.840
<v Speaker 2>at the time. By the way, this is like how

0:28:53.880 --> 0:28:56.360
<v Speaker 2>he looks when he's Minister of War for the country.

0:28:57.240 --> 0:29:01.520
<v Speaker 2>Great mustache. It must be said. Everyone was wearing hats

0:29:01.560 --> 0:29:03.640
<v Speaker 2>like that back then. I don't know why, but they

0:29:03.640 --> 0:29:05.760
<v Speaker 2>do look that. One does look comfortable. I love it.

0:29:06.560 --> 0:29:09.160
<v Speaker 3>I love a pretty baller cossack cat.

0:29:09.480 --> 0:29:11.800
<v Speaker 2>Those like shackos or whatever don't normally look that cozy

0:29:12.200 --> 0:29:14.240
<v Speaker 2>like his looks like it's knitted together at a wool.

0:29:14.560 --> 0:29:17.680
<v Speaker 3>He's got this like sneer sort of thing down. Pretty

0:29:17.680 --> 0:29:18.680
<v Speaker 3>good like smirk.

0:29:18.560 --> 0:29:21.960
<v Speaker 2>Yes, pretty good sneer of cold command. That Ramsey's look. Yeah, Yeah,

0:29:21.960 --> 0:29:22.960
<v Speaker 2>he's got it knocked down.

0:29:23.080 --> 0:29:24.840
<v Speaker 1>I love that so stunning.

0:29:25.120 --> 0:29:28.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, my people's eyebrow game has been strong forever.

0:29:29.400 --> 0:29:34.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, those those brows power acts fact, so all Resa

0:29:34.080 --> 0:29:36.440
<v Speaker 2>needs to do now at this point is in the

0:29:36.440 --> 0:29:39.920
<v Speaker 2>war with the Soviets and defeat his numerous local rivals,

0:29:39.960 --> 0:29:42.280
<v Speaker 2>most of whom are major tribal leaders who had gotten

0:29:42.320 --> 0:29:45.120
<v Speaker 2>These are the guys that the oil company APOC is

0:29:45.200 --> 0:29:49.200
<v Speaker 2>paying right like those local leaders are his now his

0:29:49.320 --> 0:29:52.560
<v Speaker 2>main rivals for power as well as like the Soviets.

0:29:54.080 --> 0:29:56.280
<v Speaker 2>So great Britain sends him a friend right around this

0:29:56.320 --> 0:29:58.120
<v Speaker 2>time to help him out, you know, now that he's

0:29:58.160 --> 0:30:01.160
<v Speaker 2>newly the Minister of War and this into a British diplomat,

0:30:01.320 --> 0:30:05.000
<v Speaker 2>so Percy Lorraine. Now, Persia is not seen as a

0:30:05.040 --> 0:30:07.720
<v Speaker 2>great place to be a British diplomat at this point

0:30:07.760 --> 0:30:10.040
<v Speaker 2>in time. It's kind of like a career death sentence

0:30:10.080 --> 0:30:12.920
<v Speaker 2>because things have not gone great for a couple generations

0:30:12.920 --> 0:30:16.320
<v Speaker 2>of British diplomats here. It's been messy for them. Percy's

0:30:16.320 --> 0:30:19.760
<v Speaker 2>not the Empire's best. He is smart, but he's also awkward,

0:30:19.840 --> 0:30:22.120
<v Speaker 2>and he's bad at being social or at editing his

0:30:22.120 --> 0:30:24.520
<v Speaker 2>own dispatches down into something people would want to read.

0:30:24.920 --> 0:30:28.360
<v Speaker 2>His coworkers nickname him ponderous Percy, which is a huge,

0:30:28.680 --> 0:30:34.160
<v Speaker 2>huge burn to British people. So basically the names these

0:30:34.280 --> 0:30:38.240
<v Speaker 2>names are and tiny Ironside.

0:30:37.840 --> 0:30:39.880
<v Speaker 3>Get more British as the story goes along.

0:30:40.240 --> 0:30:43.800
<v Speaker 2>Right, So this shy book whem dude is supposed to

0:30:43.800 --> 0:30:47.680
<v Speaker 2>be like the liaison to Reza, and he immediately falls

0:30:47.720 --> 0:30:51.280
<v Speaker 2>for this handsome and heroic seeming fucking machine gunner who's

0:30:51.360 --> 0:30:54.440
<v Speaker 2>just made himself the Shah and all but name right,

0:30:54.560 --> 0:30:58.000
<v Speaker 2>just like Ironside, Rezza sums this guy up and charms

0:30:58.040 --> 0:31:02.040
<v Speaker 2>him immediately and writes back to his boss curs On.

0:31:02.640 --> 0:31:04.480
<v Speaker 2>He gets straight to what he has to say and

0:31:04.560 --> 0:31:07.280
<v Speaker 2>does not waste time in exchanging the delicately phrased but

0:31:07.320 --> 0:31:10.320
<v Speaker 2>perfectly feudal compliments, So dear to the Persian heart and

0:31:10.440 --> 0:31:14.000
<v Speaker 2>ignorant and un educated man. Nevertheless, he betrays no awkwardness

0:31:14.000 --> 0:31:17.800
<v Speaker 2>of manner nor self consciousness. He has considerable natural dignity,

0:31:17.960 --> 0:31:20.640
<v Speaker 2>and neither his speech nor his features reveal any absence

0:31:20.640 --> 0:31:23.880
<v Speaker 2>of self control. So that's how he's described by Lorrain.

0:31:25.000 --> 0:31:27.240
<v Speaker 3>I have to say, he is in some ways so

0:31:27.960 --> 0:31:31.960
<v Speaker 3>atypical for a Persian man, from like not wanting to

0:31:32.000 --> 0:31:36.320
<v Speaker 3>show his kid's love to like not using flowery poetry,

0:31:36.440 --> 0:31:40.440
<v Speaker 3>like especially this age, every and like every older Persian

0:31:40.440 --> 0:31:44.560
<v Speaker 3>man fancies himself a poet, like the the language itself

0:31:44.640 --> 0:31:48.440
<v Speaker 3>is so flowery, like you say, like instead of saying

0:31:48.640 --> 0:31:51.960
<v Speaker 3>I miss you, you say my heart tightens for you.

0:31:52.280 --> 0:31:55.120
<v Speaker 3>Instead of saying like, uh, you know, we wish you

0:31:55.120 --> 0:31:57.520
<v Speaker 3>were here, it's we kept the space for you. It's empty,

0:31:57.720 --> 0:31:59.480
<v Speaker 3>you know, we have all these like flowery little bits

0:31:59.480 --> 0:32:03.080
<v Speaker 3>of landue. This guy is so like the opposite of that.

0:32:03.080 --> 0:32:06.240
<v Speaker 3>That's what's so interesting about him. He's so a typically Persian.

0:32:06.960 --> 0:32:09.560
<v Speaker 2>And it's it's both because I mean, partly he's he's

0:32:09.560 --> 0:32:14.040
<v Speaker 2>only half Persian, right like his mom is Caucasian, probably

0:32:14.120 --> 0:32:19.480
<v Speaker 2>arm but he's he's probably he's not raised the way

0:32:20.000 --> 0:32:22.360
<v Speaker 2>like I mean, he's certainly not raised in a traditional

0:32:22.400 --> 0:32:25.200
<v Speaker 2>Persian family at all. He's almost basically an orphan, right

0:32:25.240 --> 0:32:28.320
<v Speaker 2>like he's he's so he doesn't have and I think

0:32:28.360 --> 0:32:30.320
<v Speaker 2>part one of the things that results in is that,

0:32:30.960 --> 0:32:33.760
<v Speaker 2>unlike a lot of other people who have stuff like

0:32:34.000 --> 0:32:37.600
<v Speaker 2>art to learn and culture and family that matter to them,

0:32:37.760 --> 0:32:40.760
<v Speaker 2>all he thinks about is power. It's the only concern

0:32:40.800 --> 0:32:44.440
<v Speaker 2>in his mind. His entire life is gaining and taking power, right,

0:32:44.680 --> 0:32:47.080
<v Speaker 2>And guys like that tend to be the ones who

0:32:47.160 --> 0:32:49.840
<v Speaker 2>gain and take power in situations like this because it's

0:32:49.880 --> 0:32:53.720
<v Speaker 2>all they think about. Yeah, cool, good stuff.

0:32:53.560 --> 0:32:55.800
<v Speaker 3>Just like podcasting in medical step.

0:32:55.720 --> 0:33:00.200
<v Speaker 2>Just like podcasting. Yeah. So Lorraine uses what influence he

0:33:00.240 --> 0:33:03.040
<v Speaker 2>has to convince his superiors to advance Reza enough money

0:33:03.040 --> 0:33:05.760
<v Speaker 2>to fund an army of eighteen thousand men. He also

0:33:05.960 --> 0:33:08.520
<v Speaker 2>argues that Reza should be the one that the British

0:33:08.560 --> 0:33:11.840
<v Speaker 2>back over several local shakes and cons who'd previously worked

0:33:11.840 --> 0:33:15.320
<v Speaker 2>with Anglo Persian oil. General Ironside also helped his friend

0:33:15.360 --> 0:33:18.120
<v Speaker 2>machine Gun Resa, filing a report with the British War

0:33:18.160 --> 0:33:21.680
<v Speaker 2>Office that promised Resa would quote solve many difficulties and

0:33:21.760 --> 0:33:24.719
<v Speaker 2>enable us to depart in peace and honor. Basically, if

0:33:24.720 --> 0:33:27.200
<v Speaker 2>we let this guy be in charge, he'll build an

0:33:27.280 --> 0:33:29.840
<v Speaker 2>army that works and we won't have to We can

0:33:29.920 --> 0:33:31.600
<v Speaker 2>leave and we won't have to be ashamed. We won't

0:33:31.640 --> 0:33:34.200
<v Speaker 2>like leave like we did Afghanistan. Just like getting beat

0:33:34.240 --> 0:33:36.800
<v Speaker 2>out right, and we can keep getting our oil right.

0:33:36.800 --> 0:33:40.520
<v Speaker 2>That's the argument Ironside's making. So it takes about two

0:33:40.600 --> 0:33:44.040
<v Speaker 2>years of fighting in the heartland of Persia for Reza

0:33:44.120 --> 0:33:46.400
<v Speaker 2>to take a hold of this chaotk situation, to beat

0:33:46.440 --> 0:33:50.560
<v Speaker 2>back his rivals and to restore a form of order

0:33:50.680 --> 0:33:53.720
<v Speaker 2>or take i should say power right over the rest

0:33:53.720 --> 0:33:56.720
<v Speaker 2>of the country outside of the capitol. Now the pretense

0:33:56.720 --> 0:34:00.719
<v Speaker 2>of a constitutional regime still exists. But Resu's prime minister

0:34:01.080 --> 0:34:03.680
<v Speaker 2>is like, well, now that you're the commander in chief,

0:34:03.680 --> 0:34:05.880
<v Speaker 2>that's a civilian job. You have to retire from your

0:34:05.880 --> 0:34:09.279
<v Speaker 2>military job and leading the Cossack brigade, right, and res

0:34:09.400 --> 0:34:11.920
<v Speaker 2>is like, no, I'm going to keep my private army. Obviously,

0:34:11.960 --> 0:34:13.960
<v Speaker 2>you never give up your private army. You never give

0:34:14.040 --> 0:34:16.160
<v Speaker 2>up your uniform if you want to be dictator. Right,

0:34:16.360 --> 0:34:17.600
<v Speaker 2>that's a bad idea, right there.

0:34:17.719 --> 0:34:20.879
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's right, keeping that sucker on more medals on it,

0:34:21.160 --> 0:34:22.760
<v Speaker 3>more and more medals. Yeah.

0:34:22.960 --> 0:34:27.279
<v Speaker 2>And once this happens, basically everyone in the government realizes like, well,

0:34:27.280 --> 0:34:29.799
<v Speaker 2>this guy's the Shaw in all but name, you know.

0:34:30.400 --> 0:34:32.960
<v Speaker 2>So after he returns in like nineteen twenty three to

0:34:33.000 --> 0:34:34.600
<v Speaker 2>the Capitol at the head of an army that had

0:34:34.640 --> 0:34:38.680
<v Speaker 2>at least been semi victorious, Cohn was appointed prime minister himself.

0:34:39.040 --> 0:34:41.759
<v Speaker 2>Now he's still bound by a pinky swear not to

0:34:41.800 --> 0:34:45.359
<v Speaker 2>overthrow Ahmed Shah. But somehow Ahmed got the idea that

0:34:45.400 --> 0:34:47.719
<v Speaker 2>life in Persia might not be safe for him with

0:34:47.840 --> 0:34:55.200
<v Speaker 2>the Reza in charge for looming monster machine gun lover. Yes, right, yes,

0:34:56.840 --> 0:34:59.160
<v Speaker 2>So he flees to Europe, where he spends the remainder

0:34:59.160 --> 0:35:01.640
<v Speaker 2>of his life In next right now, Resa has at

0:35:01.680 --> 0:35:04.520
<v Speaker 2>this point they've basically made a kind of peace. You

0:35:04.560 --> 0:35:06.960
<v Speaker 2>know that things have been settled enough with the Soviets

0:35:07.000 --> 0:35:10.279
<v Speaker 2>that they're not worried about that taking about like communists

0:35:10.320 --> 0:35:13.319
<v Speaker 2>taking over the rest of Persia. And Resa sits down

0:35:13.360 --> 0:35:16.000
<v Speaker 2>with the Parliament and says basically, hey, have you guys

0:35:16.040 --> 0:35:18.560
<v Speaker 2>noticed I have all the guns? And Parliament says you

0:35:18.640 --> 0:35:20.800
<v Speaker 2>sure do, Resa, how do you like to be dictator

0:35:20.800 --> 0:35:24.080
<v Speaker 2>for life? And he says that sounds dope and an.

0:35:23.920 --> 0:35:24.920
<v Speaker 3>Ontobi of id.

0:35:26.239 --> 0:35:28.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm smoothing some things over. But in October of nineteen

0:35:28.600 --> 0:35:31.719
<v Speaker 2>twenty three, he was appointed His Serene Highness and King

0:35:31.760 --> 0:35:35.200
<v Speaker 2>of Kings, although again he's not the Shah yet. In fact,

0:35:35.520 --> 0:35:38.760
<v Speaker 2>Resid debates briefly after this point what kind of government

0:35:38.800 --> 0:35:41.440
<v Speaker 2>should he impose upon his newly won land. Per the

0:35:41.440 --> 0:35:45.200
<v Speaker 2>World Policy Journal, Resa Khan had toyed with proclaiming a republic,

0:35:45.360 --> 0:35:47.920
<v Speaker 2>following the example of Kamal At a Turk, the Turkish

0:35:47.920 --> 0:35:50.560
<v Speaker 2>soldier reformer. He sought to emulate the King of kings,

0:35:50.560 --> 0:35:53.200
<v Speaker 2>claim to be a reluctant monarch, only agreeing to ascend

0:35:53.280 --> 0:35:55.640
<v Speaker 2>the throne at the urging of the Ulima or Mullas,

0:35:55.640 --> 0:35:58.400
<v Speaker 2>who thought that conservative Persia would fare better with a

0:35:58.440 --> 0:36:01.560
<v Speaker 2>shah than with a democracy. At the time, royal titles

0:36:01.600 --> 0:36:04.040
<v Speaker 2>were very much in the desert air, hence King Faisal

0:36:04.080 --> 0:36:07.560
<v Speaker 2>of Iraq. So he chose the peacock throne, right, So

0:36:08.040 --> 0:36:10.360
<v Speaker 2>he picks being a king as opposed to being like

0:36:10.400 --> 0:36:12.879
<v Speaker 2>a president, who would have been the same as a shaw.

0:36:13.080 --> 0:36:15.680
<v Speaker 2>He would have actually given up power. But he decides, well,

0:36:15.680 --> 0:36:19.960
<v Speaker 2>I'll just make myself basically king, right, So he's yeah, it.

0:36:20.000 --> 0:36:23.680
<v Speaker 3>Is interesting that he he goes and he tries to

0:36:23.719 --> 0:36:26.880
<v Speaker 3>connect with the Turkish leader and is seeing what's happening

0:36:26.960 --> 0:36:28.719
<v Speaker 3>in Turkey at this time because.

0:36:28.400 --> 0:36:30.040
<v Speaker 2>He loves at a Turk.

0:36:30.280 --> 0:36:32.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm sure he sees like a strong guy who's

0:36:33.440 --> 0:36:37.920
<v Speaker 3>maybe modernizing Turkey at that point to do that, but

0:36:38.320 --> 0:36:40.640
<v Speaker 3>it seems like, and you'll know better than me, but

0:36:40.680 --> 0:36:42.879
<v Speaker 3>I feel like he's not the politician to do that,

0:36:42.960 --> 0:36:46.520
<v Speaker 3>he's not the leader to do it. The same with

0:36:46.600 --> 0:36:49.719
<v Speaker 3>the same sort of clarity that the Turkish at a

0:36:49.760 --> 0:36:50.360
<v Speaker 3>Turk would do.

0:36:51.000 --> 0:36:53.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, and he's not nearly as as bright at

0:36:53.520 --> 0:36:56.960
<v Speaker 2>a Turk was interested in actually building a functional state, right,

0:36:57.239 --> 0:36:59.759
<v Speaker 2>the Shaw is primarily interested in getting as much out

0:36:59.800 --> 0:37:02.560
<v Speaker 2>of Iran of like he wants to rob it blind, right, Like,

0:37:02.600 --> 0:37:05.239
<v Speaker 2>that's why he's in the He wants to be the Shah.

0:37:05.800 --> 0:37:08.280
<v Speaker 2>And it takes him bout a year of badgering Parliament,

0:37:08.360 --> 0:37:11.279
<v Speaker 2>but he succeeds in convincing them to formally depose the

0:37:11.320 --> 0:37:15.560
<v Speaker 2>old Shah and make him the new Shaw. And almost

0:37:15.640 --> 0:37:18.359
<v Speaker 2>as soon as as that becomes his job and we'll

0:37:18.360 --> 0:37:21.879
<v Speaker 2>talk about the actual process of crowning him, Reza Khan

0:37:22.080 --> 0:37:25.520
<v Speaker 2>changes his name to Resa Shah Pelavi. Now this is

0:37:25.560 --> 0:37:29.120
<v Speaker 2>inauspicious change. During the ancients, as you know, during the

0:37:29.760 --> 0:37:32.960
<v Speaker 2>Sassanid Empire, which dominated a lot of the Middle East

0:37:33.000 --> 0:37:35.239
<v Speaker 2>and North Africa except for the bulk of the land

0:37:35.320 --> 0:37:37.440
<v Speaker 2>mass of the Arabian Peninsula that it's like a lot

0:37:37.440 --> 0:37:41.040
<v Speaker 2>of the coast. The language by most that most Persians

0:37:41.040 --> 0:37:44.040
<v Speaker 2>spoke they was called Pallavi, right like, that was the

0:37:44.120 --> 0:37:48.080
<v Speaker 2>term for it. And Reza changed his name like he

0:37:48.200 --> 0:37:50.799
<v Speaker 2>does this, Like the reason he does this is what

0:37:51.280 --> 0:37:53.880
<v Speaker 2>Mehdi a Lavi and Attoul Sing, writing for The Fair Observer,

0:37:54.000 --> 0:37:57.279
<v Speaker 2>call a very clever public relations stunt. He's basically making

0:37:57.320 --> 0:38:02.560
<v Speaker 2>a nationalist pitch to like Persians saying like hey, or

0:38:02.680 --> 0:38:06.279
<v Speaker 2>I mean specifically to like Iranian Persians, saying like I

0:38:06.320 --> 0:38:08.399
<v Speaker 2>am going to be your leader and this is going

0:38:08.440 --> 0:38:11.400
<v Speaker 2>to be your country as opposed to these other groups

0:38:11.440 --> 0:38:13.880
<v Speaker 2>of people who currently live here, right, Like, that's the

0:38:14.360 --> 0:38:15.239
<v Speaker 2>pitch that he's made.

0:38:15.880 --> 0:38:19.319
<v Speaker 3>Was great branding, This whole thing was great brand Yeah,

0:38:19.440 --> 0:38:22.120
<v Speaker 3>changing the name and then he goes on to i mean,

0:38:22.160 --> 0:38:24.880
<v Speaker 3>his son actually goes on change the name of the

0:38:24.920 --> 0:38:28.400
<v Speaker 3>Anglo Iranian or Anglo Persian oil company to Anglo.

0:38:28.960 --> 0:38:30.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well we'll talk about that.

0:38:30.520 --> 0:38:33.719
<v Speaker 3>Yes, good brand they're good at branding, especially the father.

0:38:33.960 --> 0:38:37.799
<v Speaker 2>There's solid branding. Yeah, it's yeah, it's lasted to this

0:38:38.080 --> 0:38:39.960
<v Speaker 2>day some of the branding they did, and there's there's

0:38:39.960 --> 0:38:41.360
<v Speaker 2>a lot of this stuff. So in their book, The

0:38:41.400 --> 0:38:45.440
<v Speaker 2>shah A bos Malani writes that prior to obtaining total power,

0:38:45.719 --> 0:38:49.040
<v Speaker 2>Reza began playing at piety in front or really we

0:38:49.080 --> 0:38:51.160
<v Speaker 2>talked about this a bit. He'd always kind of been

0:38:51.239 --> 0:38:54.560
<v Speaker 2>like the enforcer, like religiously that had been he'd gained

0:38:54.560 --> 0:38:57.000
<v Speaker 2>a religious like a reputation for that. He likes being

0:38:57.040 --> 0:39:00.600
<v Speaker 2>in good with the Chiaid clergy, and he really ups

0:39:00.600 --> 0:39:03.680
<v Speaker 2>that during the years when he's like, you know, in

0:39:03.800 --> 0:39:06.719
<v Speaker 2>charge but not yet the Shaw quote, he participated in

0:39:06.760 --> 0:39:09.600
<v Speaker 2>religious mourning processions and like the most pious of the mourners,

0:39:09.640 --> 0:39:11.960
<v Speaker 2>he beat his chest and brust his forehead in the

0:39:11.960 --> 0:39:14.160
<v Speaker 2>top of his head with ashes of sorrow and grief.

0:39:14.400 --> 0:39:17.080
<v Speaker 2>Not long after he was crowned, Resashaw would change course

0:39:17.080 --> 0:39:19.640
<v Speaker 2>and begin a carefully planned policy of limiting the power

0:39:19.640 --> 0:39:23.799
<v Speaker 2>and role of the clergy in Iran. So he's this

0:39:23.840 --> 0:39:25.400
<v Speaker 2>is going to be a pattern for him. The people

0:39:25.400 --> 0:39:27.440
<v Speaker 2>that he needs to get to power he's going to

0:39:27.440 --> 0:39:30.440
<v Speaker 2>fuck over fairly quickly, and that does include the clergy,

0:39:30.440 --> 0:39:33.080
<v Speaker 2>and there will be Titanic. You can tie the fact

0:39:33.120 --> 0:39:36.160
<v Speaker 2>that the clergy are in charge in Iran today to

0:39:36.680 --> 0:39:39.040
<v Speaker 2>his decision to fuck the clergy and some of the

0:39:39.080 --> 0:39:41.560
<v Speaker 2>things he does as a result of that. Right, we're

0:39:41.560 --> 0:39:43.759
<v Speaker 2>going to talk about all of this. There's really long

0:39:43.800 --> 0:39:48.440
<v Speaker 2>reaching consequences to this, but nobody calls his bullshit at

0:39:48.440 --> 0:39:51.520
<v Speaker 2>the time. Right, everyone's fooled by well not everyone's fooled

0:39:51.520 --> 0:39:55.040
<v Speaker 2>by resist charm actually Alavian Singh note in their piece

0:39:55.040 --> 0:39:58.440
<v Speaker 2>for The Fair Observer. Not everyone bought into Resashaw's sham

0:39:58.800 --> 0:40:01.879
<v Speaker 2>for courageous legislation supposed the new Shaw. One of them

0:40:02.040 --> 0:40:04.399
<v Speaker 2>was Mohammed Mosada, who would go on to become Prime

0:40:04.400 --> 0:40:08.279
<v Speaker 2>Minister years later. The British managed Resisha's coronation using the

0:40:08.320 --> 0:40:11.279
<v Speaker 2>coronation of King George the Fifth is their guide. So

0:40:11.360 --> 0:40:13.960
<v Speaker 2>you do have people who oppose him, including Masada, who

0:40:14.000 --> 0:40:16.799
<v Speaker 2>will talk. I mean we Margaret should talk about an

0:40:16.800 --> 0:40:17.680
<v Speaker 2>episode on her show.

0:40:17.760 --> 0:40:21.440
<v Speaker 3>Actually, yeah, exactly. Most. So it's pronounced most. I'll give

0:40:21.480 --> 0:40:24.040
<v Speaker 3>you the most two versions of it, the easy one

0:40:24.440 --> 0:40:27.320
<v Speaker 3>and by the way, again, apologies because my Farsi is garbage.

0:40:28.320 --> 0:40:31.239
<v Speaker 3>Mozed deck is probably the easiest way to with more

0:40:31.239 --> 0:40:33.640
<v Speaker 3>of a Q sound, but I think it's pronounced more

0:40:33.760 --> 0:40:37.480
<v Speaker 3>mozed derr. It's one of these sounds that's hard for Americans.

0:40:37.600 --> 0:40:41.960
<v Speaker 3>Hey g h at the end, Yeah, that's that would

0:40:41.960 --> 0:40:45.960
<v Speaker 3>be a perfect, perfect person. I mean, he had some flaws,

0:40:46.040 --> 0:40:48.759
<v Speaker 3>I mean, but he was like he is one of

0:40:48.800 --> 0:40:51.680
<v Speaker 3>these heroes that's held up in secular Iran.

0:40:52.000 --> 0:40:54.719
<v Speaker 2>I heard his name for the first time mispronounced in

0:40:54.800 --> 0:40:57.279
<v Speaker 2>songs that were angry about the CIA over throwing it,

0:40:58.320 --> 0:41:00.279
<v Speaker 2>about our government's rolling it's over throw.

0:41:00.480 --> 0:41:01.320
<v Speaker 3>Right, Oh, I love it.

0:41:02.320 --> 0:41:04.200
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, we're not going to talk about him much

0:41:04.200 --> 0:41:06.000
<v Speaker 2>more in this episode. But I didn't want to note that, like,

0:41:06.640 --> 0:41:09.200
<v Speaker 2>not everyone is fine with what res is doing. There

0:41:09.320 --> 0:41:15.640
<v Speaker 2>is resistance. There's very brave resistance. So when he is coronated,

0:41:16.040 --> 0:41:19.279
<v Speaker 2>as I noted here, the British used bit like that

0:41:19.360 --> 0:41:20.960
<v Speaker 2>quote said the British, I'm going to go into a

0:41:20.960 --> 0:41:23.120
<v Speaker 2>little more detail about what that actually means when it

0:41:23.200 --> 0:41:27.360
<v Speaker 2>says the British used Resishaw's coronation, like use the coronation

0:41:27.400 --> 0:41:28.920
<v Speaker 2>of King Churse the fifth as their guide. I want

0:41:28.920 --> 0:41:31.480
<v Speaker 2>to talk about like what that means. So one of

0:41:31.480 --> 0:41:35.120
<v Speaker 2>the British people who's in Tehran at the time is

0:41:35.600 --> 0:41:38.800
<v Speaker 2>a writer named Vita Sackville West. She is a prominent

0:41:39.040 --> 0:41:42.759
<v Speaker 2>author and she's a good friend of Virginia Wolf, and

0:41:42.800 --> 0:41:44.560
<v Speaker 2>she happens to be in to Ron for the coronation

0:41:44.600 --> 0:41:47.200
<v Speaker 2>because her husband is a British diplomat and she kind

0:41:47.200 --> 0:41:49.960
<v Speaker 2>of inveigls her way into helping to plan the coronation,

0:41:50.400 --> 0:41:53.120
<v Speaker 2>which resisies is both a way to show his continuity

0:41:53.160 --> 0:41:56.319
<v Speaker 2>with Persia's grand past and to celebrate the coming new

0:41:56.360 --> 0:42:01.319
<v Speaker 2>modern regime. Now, Sackville West is not a fan of Tehran, which,

0:42:01.360 --> 0:42:04.160
<v Speaker 2>after a decade of nearly a decade of warren starvation,

0:42:04.560 --> 0:42:07.680
<v Speaker 2>isn't in great shape, right. She calls the city squalid

0:42:07.760 --> 0:42:10.680
<v Speaker 2>with quote few pretentious buildings and mean houses on the

0:42:10.760 --> 0:42:13.879
<v Speaker 2>verge of collapse and little else, which is not nice

0:42:13.920 --> 0:42:16.240
<v Speaker 2>given that, like your government really helped with the family

0:42:16.239 --> 0:42:19.160
<v Speaker 2>that Gill like half the people who lived in the country, Like, yeah,

0:42:19.160 --> 0:42:22.280
<v Speaker 2>he contributed to that London wouldn't look nice if forty

0:42:22.320 --> 0:42:25.279
<v Speaker 2>percent of British people died in a fam I'll bet

0:42:25.320 --> 0:42:29.480
<v Speaker 2>that much, right, Yeah, yeah, Well, I can.

0:42:29.400 --> 0:42:31.560
<v Speaker 3>Take a lot of criticisms, but like when they come

0:42:31.600 --> 0:42:32.720
<v Speaker 3>from the peerless.

0:42:32.320 --> 0:42:33.279
<v Speaker 2>Force, it's not a fair one.

0:42:33.440 --> 0:42:34.640
<v Speaker 3>That's just not a fair one.

0:42:35.040 --> 0:42:38.000
<v Speaker 2>Nope, So Vida and the wife of the head of

0:42:38.040 --> 0:42:40.759
<v Speaker 2>the British legation literally sit down with books about the

0:42:40.760 --> 0:42:42.920
<v Speaker 2>coronation of King George the Fifth because res is like

0:42:43.120 --> 0:42:45.239
<v Speaker 2>ress people I should say, are like, we got to

0:42:45.280 --> 0:42:48.239
<v Speaker 2>figure out how to coronate this guy because this is

0:42:48.320 --> 0:42:50.640
<v Speaker 2>kind of a new thing, because he's not being like

0:42:50.640 --> 0:42:53.239
<v Speaker 2>the rest of the Shaws. How should it look and

0:42:53.680 --> 0:42:55.680
<v Speaker 2>they leave it to the British people, because well, you

0:42:55.719 --> 0:42:58.279
<v Speaker 2>know how kings and queens are supposed to take the throne, right,

0:42:58.360 --> 0:43:00.759
<v Speaker 2>you figure it out. And so these two women sit

0:43:00.800 --> 0:43:02.680
<v Speaker 2>down with these books about the coronation of King George

0:43:02.719 --> 0:43:04.719
<v Speaker 2>the Fifth, and they make notes about, oh, there's all

0:43:04.760 --> 0:43:06.680
<v Speaker 2>these symbols of power that they handed, and there's all

0:43:06.719 --> 0:43:10.759
<v Speaker 2>these swords and scepters and crowns and precious stones that

0:43:10.840 --> 0:43:12.719
<v Speaker 2>mean all these things and have these fancy names that

0:43:12.760 --> 0:43:15.279
<v Speaker 2>are part of this whole process, and they kind of

0:43:15.280 --> 0:43:18.040
<v Speaker 2>make their own version of it. For the coronation of

0:43:18.080 --> 0:43:21.160
<v Speaker 2>the Shah. I want to read you a quote about

0:43:21.200 --> 0:43:23.839
<v Speaker 2>this whole process of planning the coronation from a very

0:43:23.840 --> 0:43:26.759
<v Speaker 2>British coup by Scharen Brysac. But as I read all this,

0:43:26.800 --> 0:43:29.560
<v Speaker 2>I need you to remember that again, seven years earlier,

0:43:29.880 --> 0:43:32.160
<v Speaker 2>about half the country dyed of famine. When we're talking

0:43:32.200 --> 0:43:35.880
<v Speaker 2>about how obscene the display of wealth that this represents

0:43:35.920 --> 0:43:40.040
<v Speaker 2>really is. As Vita Sackville West recalled, the linen bags

0:43:40.120 --> 0:43:43.960
<v Speaker 2>vomited emeralds and pearls, The green bays vanished, the table

0:43:43.960 --> 0:43:47.400
<v Speaker 2>became a sea of precious stones. The leather cases opened,

0:43:47.440 --> 0:43:51.719
<v Speaker 2>displaying jeweled scimitars, daggers mounted with rubies, buckles carved from

0:43:51.719 --> 0:43:55.200
<v Speaker 2>a single emerald, ropes of enormous pearls. Then from the

0:43:55.280 --> 0:43:58.600
<v Speaker 2>inner room came the file of servants, again carrying uniforms

0:43:58.600 --> 0:44:02.239
<v Speaker 2>sown with diamonds, with a tall aggrete secured by a

0:44:02.280 --> 0:44:05.799
<v Speaker 2>diamond larger than the mountain of light. Two crowns, like

0:44:05.840 --> 0:44:09.319
<v Speaker 2>great heretic tiaras, barbaric diatems, compose a pearl of the

0:44:09.360 --> 0:44:12.160
<v Speaker 2>finest orient. We plunged our hands up to the wrist

0:44:12.200 --> 0:44:14.840
<v Speaker 2>and the heaps of uncut emeralds, and let the pearls

0:44:14.880 --> 0:44:17.680
<v Speaker 2>run through our fingers. We forgot the persia of today.

0:44:17.880 --> 0:44:20.960
<v Speaker 2>We were swept back to Akbar and the spoils of India.

0:44:21.600 --> 0:44:24.520
<v Speaker 2>Soon orders went out to shops throughout Europe. But after

0:44:24.560 --> 0:44:28.160
<v Speaker 2>the intercession of Lady Lorraine, Vita was given authority to

0:44:28.239 --> 0:44:32.680
<v Speaker 2>order china, glass, cutlery and stationary from London's royal purveyors.

0:44:32.920 --> 0:44:35.520
<v Speaker 2>She commissioned red liveries for the palace, modeled on those

0:44:35.560 --> 0:44:38.840
<v Speaker 2>worn by the British legations servants apropos of the coronation.

0:44:39.000 --> 0:44:42.000
<v Speaker 2>Vita Sackville West writes to her friend Gertrude Bell she

0:44:42.080 --> 0:44:44.560
<v Speaker 2>and Luis Lorraine have been very busy painting the throne

0:44:44.640 --> 0:44:45.160
<v Speaker 2>room pink.

0:44:46.600 --> 0:44:52.200
<v Speaker 3>I'm I'm envisioning the scene from the cartoon movie Aladdin

0:44:52.800 --> 0:44:57.360
<v Speaker 3>where he comes in as Prince Ali Abavois, and I

0:44:57.360 --> 0:44:59.799
<v Speaker 3>wish we could talk about that movie for a long

0:44:59.840 --> 0:45:02.120
<v Speaker 3>time time. I got thoughts, I got thoughts. Yeah, boy,

0:45:03.200 --> 0:45:05.040
<v Speaker 3>it's so opulent.

0:45:05.280 --> 0:45:08.560
<v Speaker 2>Yes yeah, yes, And this this this all this wealth

0:45:08.600 --> 0:45:11.680
<v Speaker 2>that like could have been used during the famine years

0:45:11.719 --> 0:45:14.359
<v Speaker 2>to maybe help with the famine, wasn't used for that.

0:45:14.880 --> 0:45:18.200
<v Speaker 2>And also there's an opportunity here in this capital that's

0:45:18.239 --> 0:45:20.520
<v Speaker 2>been devastated of like, well, we need a shitload of

0:45:20.520 --> 0:45:23.359
<v Speaker 2>cutlery and stationary in China and glass. You could have

0:45:23.400 --> 0:45:26.520
<v Speaker 2>a lot of that made by people in Tehran, by

0:45:26.520 --> 0:45:30.279
<v Speaker 2>people in the Greater Persian area. No, we're sending off

0:45:30.280 --> 0:45:33.520
<v Speaker 2>to London. You're sending money out of this starving country

0:45:33.840 --> 0:45:36.680
<v Speaker 2>to bring in stuff from London. It's just better, you know.

0:45:36.800 --> 0:45:39.160
<v Speaker 3>Be a job creator, right if nothing else.

0:45:39.320 --> 0:45:43.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so this pisses some people off too, Really, I

0:45:43.160 --> 0:45:45.920
<v Speaker 2>want to yeah, I want to talk about how the

0:45:45.960 --> 0:45:48.640
<v Speaker 2>Shaw gets coronated. And here's how the biography of the

0:45:48.719 --> 0:45:51.440
<v Speaker 2>Shah describes them. Reza stepped into the hall where he

0:45:51.480 --> 0:45:54.160
<v Speaker 2>would be coronated. He's arrived. He's known as a very

0:45:54.239 --> 0:45:58.200
<v Speaker 2>punctual man. In fact, he's accused often angrily, of bringing

0:45:58.239 --> 0:46:01.880
<v Speaker 2>like the concept of puncture ruality to Persia that like

0:46:02.040 --> 0:46:04.240
<v Speaker 2>Iranians didn't give a shit what time it was before

0:46:04.280 --> 0:46:06.840
<v Speaker 2>ress like he is building a people's say.

0:46:06.840 --> 0:46:09.080
<v Speaker 3>I'm calling you out la. So I'm calling you out

0:46:09.160 --> 0:46:09.880
<v Speaker 3>La Persians.

0:46:10.560 --> 0:46:14.279
<v Speaker 2>Sorry, So it's noteworthy he shows up late as like

0:46:14.320 --> 0:46:18.080
<v Speaker 2>a power move because he can right quote. At last,

0:46:18.120 --> 0:46:20.160
<v Speaker 2>there was a stir, The doors were opened and the

0:46:20.200 --> 0:46:23.560
<v Speaker 2>six year old Mohammed Reser that's his son, appeared in

0:46:23.600 --> 0:46:26.120
<v Speaker 2>the hall. Behind him walked the procession of the twenty

0:46:26.120 --> 0:46:29.040
<v Speaker 2>two political dignitaries, led by the Prime Minister. They were

0:46:29.080 --> 0:46:32.600
<v Speaker 2>carrying the many royal accouterment necessary for the coronation, three

0:46:32.640 --> 0:46:36.239
<v Speaker 2>different crowns, a scepter, three swords belonging to past kings,

0:46:36.239 --> 0:46:38.839
<v Speaker 2>and even a diamond studded royal bow and arrow. One

0:46:38.880 --> 0:46:41.480
<v Speaker 2>of the swords belonged to Nadir Shah, a powerful king.

0:46:41.520 --> 0:46:43.960
<v Speaker 2>He united Iran and was reported to have been planning

0:46:44.000 --> 0:46:46.520
<v Speaker 2>limits on the powers of the clergy. Nadir Shaw was

0:46:46.520 --> 0:46:50.040
<v Speaker 2>also alleged to have attempted a reconciliation between Shiites and Sunnis,

0:46:50.200 --> 0:46:53.000
<v Speaker 2>and he was Resashaw's great hero. So he's kind of

0:46:53.040 --> 0:46:55.399
<v Speaker 2>signaling some of what he's going to be trying to do,

0:46:55.560 --> 0:46:59.160
<v Speaker 2>right by what stuff they pick for this. So the

0:46:59.239 --> 0:47:04.520
<v Speaker 2>Shaw's son after he's crowned, Mohammed Resapelavi was pronounced crown

0:47:04.600 --> 0:47:08.320
<v Speaker 2>Prints initially. Now that res is this Shaw. He promises

0:47:08.480 --> 0:47:11.719
<v Speaker 2>a reign free of religious influence or internal strife, and

0:47:11.800 --> 0:47:16.760
<v Speaker 2>he promises quote European style educational institutions, westernized women active

0:47:16.760 --> 0:47:20.400
<v Speaker 2>outside the home, and modern economic structures with state factories,

0:47:20.400 --> 0:47:24.279
<v Speaker 2>communication networks, investment banks, and department stores. In the words

0:47:24.320 --> 0:47:27.880
<v Speaker 2>of historian Aravond Abrahemian, right, he's saying, we're going to

0:47:27.880 --> 0:47:31.040
<v Speaker 2>be a modern country like all those European countries. Right,

0:47:32.360 --> 0:47:34.560
<v Speaker 2>and you know, there's a lot of good stuff that

0:47:34.719 --> 0:47:37.319
<v Speaker 2>sounds like those in those promises. You know, cut the

0:47:37.360 --> 0:47:40.040
<v Speaker 2>power of these religious tyrants, let women do more stuff,

0:47:40.120 --> 0:47:43.160
<v Speaker 2>sounds great, roads sounds good. A lot of that stuff

0:47:43.200 --> 0:47:48.280
<v Speaker 2>will in fact happen. Now, first off, it's always debatable

0:47:48.320 --> 0:47:50.239
<v Speaker 2>how much of this is actually how much of the

0:47:50.239 --> 0:47:52.480
<v Speaker 2>good stuff that happens has anything to do with the

0:47:52.520 --> 0:47:54.520
<v Speaker 2>Shaw or is it just stuff he takes credit for.

0:47:55.040 --> 0:47:56.640
<v Speaker 2>But the other thing that's important to know is that

0:47:56.719 --> 0:47:59.960
<v Speaker 2>like what he does, he does by instituting the most

0:48:00.160 --> 0:48:03.479
<v Speaker 2>direct one man rule possible. And this means cracking down

0:48:03.520 --> 0:48:07.440
<v Speaker 2>on and in many cases eliminating all of the local leaders,

0:48:07.480 --> 0:48:10.080
<v Speaker 2>the tribal leaders who had previously been friends to his

0:48:10.160 --> 0:48:12.960
<v Speaker 2>British patrons, and in it doing so in a very

0:48:13.040 --> 0:48:17.600
<v Speaker 2>brutal way. Ending internal strife means ending any fiction that

0:48:17.640 --> 0:48:20.120
<v Speaker 2>Persia is a nation of many peoples, and so it

0:48:20.160 --> 0:48:22.920
<v Speaker 2>was Resashah who officially changed the name of his country

0:48:22.920 --> 0:48:27.680
<v Speaker 2>from Persia to Iran. Per the Fair Observer, Resishaw's detribalization

0:48:27.800 --> 0:48:31.840
<v Speaker 2>and Persianization led to ethnic cleansing and genocide. William Douglass,

0:48:31.840 --> 0:48:34.359
<v Speaker 2>a noted American judge, had the following to note about

0:48:34.360 --> 0:48:38.120
<v Speaker 2>one community that fell fall of Resishaw, Lure after Lure.

0:48:38.200 --> 0:48:40.719
<v Speaker 2>That's the group of people, that's the ethnic group, like

0:48:40.760 --> 0:48:43.440
<v Speaker 2>the tribe that he's going after. Lure after Lure was

0:48:43.480 --> 0:48:46.319
<v Speaker 2>beheaded again and again. The plate was heated red hot

0:48:46.360 --> 0:48:48.720
<v Speaker 2>and slapped on the stump of a neck. The colonel

0:48:48.800 --> 0:48:51.200
<v Speaker 2>started betting on how far these headless men could run.

0:48:51.360 --> 0:48:53.759
<v Speaker 2>Every man, woman, and child had been killed. Not a

0:48:53.760 --> 0:48:56.360
<v Speaker 2>living soul was left. Wow, this is the kind of

0:48:56.360 --> 0:48:59.359
<v Speaker 2>shit his soldiers are doing to wipe out any other

0:48:59.440 --> 0:49:01.560
<v Speaker 2>groups that might be a threat to his power.

0:49:01.600 --> 0:49:02.000
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

0:49:02.040 --> 0:49:05.560
<v Speaker 2>Like they're beheading people and cauterizing the bodies and then

0:49:05.600 --> 0:49:09.759
<v Speaker 2>like seeing how far their headless corpses will sprint. Fucking like.

0:49:09.840 --> 0:49:14.960
<v Speaker 2>This is a brutal, dehumanizing crackdown on everyone else. That's

0:49:14.960 --> 0:49:17.120
<v Speaker 2>a big part of what the Sha does. Oh my god,

0:49:17.400 --> 0:49:21.040
<v Speaker 2>have we had two ad breaks? Sophie? No, Okay, great,

0:49:21.239 --> 0:49:23.200
<v Speaker 2>this is a good time for one. So it isn't.

0:49:23.280 --> 0:49:35.319
<v Speaker 2>But let's do it. Anyways, we're back. So the new

0:49:35.400 --> 0:49:37.560
<v Speaker 2>Sha also put a violent in to what had at

0:49:37.560 --> 0:49:40.280
<v Speaker 2>that point been some eighty years of increasing press freedom.

0:49:40.520 --> 0:49:42.960
<v Speaker 2>Over the course of his reign, he grows increasingly obsessed

0:49:43.000 --> 0:49:45.720
<v Speaker 2>with the way Mustapha Kamal is doing things over in Turkey,

0:49:46.160 --> 0:49:49.439
<v Speaker 2>aping him res a band's traditional clothing. It was now

0:49:49.440 --> 0:49:52.879
<v Speaker 2>illegal for Iranians to wear anything but Western dress. Now,

0:49:52.880 --> 0:49:54.680
<v Speaker 2>this is something that gets missed a lot when you

0:49:54.719 --> 0:49:57.880
<v Speaker 2>see conservatives or other people post pictures of Iranian women

0:49:57.880 --> 0:50:01.360
<v Speaker 2>in headscarfs next to old photos The second shot in

0:50:01.440 --> 0:50:03.680
<v Speaker 2>this line of like women during the reign of that

0:50:03.719 --> 0:50:06.520
<v Speaker 2>Shaw in Tehran dressed like westerners, right, looking like women

0:50:06.719 --> 0:50:10.120
<v Speaker 2>in Western cities, right. And it's always framed as like

0:50:10.400 --> 0:50:12.440
<v Speaker 2>and it is fucked up that people don't have like

0:50:12.480 --> 0:50:15.319
<v Speaker 2>freedom to choose what they wear on their head. But

0:50:15.480 --> 0:50:19.600
<v Speaker 2>what is not talked about is how those pictures came

0:50:19.640 --> 0:50:21.000
<v Speaker 2>to be. And so I want to read you a

0:50:21.040 --> 0:50:23.160
<v Speaker 2>quote from a lobby and Singh's article about why you

0:50:23.200 --> 0:50:25.720
<v Speaker 2>have those pictures of women without head scarves in Tehran.

0:50:26.719 --> 0:50:29.200
<v Speaker 2>If they did not do so give up their traditional dress,

0:50:29.280 --> 0:50:32.000
<v Speaker 2>they were beaten and even taken into custody. This policy

0:50:32.080 --> 0:50:35.160
<v Speaker 2>caused a massive rupture with tradition. In small towns and villages,

0:50:35.160 --> 0:50:38.640
<v Speaker 2>people ignored the Shaw's edict and cities people suffered, especially

0:50:38.680 --> 0:50:41.279
<v Speaker 2>the women. Many women stopped going to public places to

0:50:41.320 --> 0:50:44.680
<v Speaker 2>avoid harassment and became involuntary prisoners within their own homes.

0:50:45.640 --> 0:50:49.200
<v Speaker 2>This is not a nice process. He's not freeing people.

0:50:49.360 --> 0:50:52.040
<v Speaker 2>So he's saying you'll be beaten if you do this

0:50:52.080 --> 0:50:53.600
<v Speaker 2>thing that you've been doing your whole life.

0:50:53.640 --> 0:50:56.640
<v Speaker 3>Still, this is the point where I have to say

0:50:56.680 --> 0:50:58.640
<v Speaker 3>two things. There's two things I have to mention. One

0:50:59.360 --> 0:51:01.200
<v Speaker 3>and this is for all all the Aunties out there

0:51:01.440 --> 0:51:05.800
<v Speaker 3>who might be listening or hear this episode. Please no

0:51:05.920 --> 0:51:10.960
<v Speaker 3>angry emails. We can accept two truths are happening or

0:51:11.000 --> 0:51:15.000
<v Speaker 3>have happened, which is one the Shaw The Shaws were

0:51:15.040 --> 0:51:22.120
<v Speaker 3>repressive and fascist, and also the Moulaws are repressive and fascist.

0:51:22.360 --> 0:51:24.719
<v Speaker 3>And I would argue their worse, and I would say

0:51:24.719 --> 0:51:27.080
<v Speaker 3>most Iranians would say it's worse. But it doesn't mean

0:51:27.640 --> 0:51:29.960
<v Speaker 3>that what they were doing was good. This is not

0:51:30.040 --> 0:51:31.839
<v Speaker 3>the last time and it was not a nice time.

0:51:31.880 --> 0:51:35.080
<v Speaker 3>And also it probably led long term to some of

0:51:35.080 --> 0:51:37.080
<v Speaker 3>the conflicts that we had down the road with the

0:51:37.120 --> 0:51:41.879
<v Speaker 3>Moulaws and those that fascist Islamo fascist regime. Another thing

0:51:41.880 --> 0:51:45.200
<v Speaker 3>I will have you note when this meme was popularized,

0:51:45.640 --> 0:51:47.800
<v Speaker 3>where it's like they show, like the picture of the

0:51:48.239 --> 0:51:50.480
<v Speaker 3>women that this was Iran in the seventies and now

0:51:50.520 --> 0:51:53.200
<v Speaker 3>look their animals sort of always has a weird vibe

0:51:53.200 --> 0:51:56.080
<v Speaker 3>to it. I posted one of my more popular tweets

0:51:56.080 --> 0:51:59.240
<v Speaker 3>when I was on x or Twitter was a picture

0:51:59.280 --> 0:52:04.160
<v Speaker 3>of John Chaval in Saturday Night Fever, and it was

0:52:04.280 --> 0:52:06.239
<v Speaker 3>him dancing with the full on dance thing. You can

0:52:06.239 --> 0:52:08.399
<v Speaker 3>imagine where he's like on the dance. Folet's all lit up,

0:52:08.640 --> 0:52:10.360
<v Speaker 3>and I said, this is an actual picture of my

0:52:10.440 --> 0:52:15.120
<v Speaker 3>father in pre revolutionary Iran dancing, And to be fair,

0:52:15.160 --> 0:52:16.920
<v Speaker 3>it does kind of look like my dad, and it

0:52:16.920 --> 0:52:18.520
<v Speaker 3>does look like the kind of dancing he would do.

0:52:18.520 --> 0:52:21.400
<v Speaker 3>It looks extraordinarily persian. In fact, there's never been a

0:52:21.400 --> 0:52:25.759
<v Speaker 3>more Persian coded picture than John Travolta dancing in that

0:52:26.120 --> 0:52:28.759
<v Speaker 3>and it was very popular and up to everyone who

0:52:28.800 --> 0:52:30.560
<v Speaker 3>thought that was real, I apologize, I'm sorry.

0:52:30.880 --> 0:52:35.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's just it's important to know that. Like again,

0:52:35.800 --> 0:52:38.759
<v Speaker 2>there are much better ways to Yeah, it's bad to

0:52:38.920 --> 0:52:41.919
<v Speaker 2>tell people they have to or can't wear a certain thing.

0:52:42.440 --> 0:52:45.080
<v Speaker 2>You can do that without saying it's now illegal to

0:52:45.120 --> 0:52:47.280
<v Speaker 2>wear what you were wearing before, and you'll get beaten

0:52:47.320 --> 0:52:48.960
<v Speaker 2>in the street if you do it. The shot could

0:52:48.960 --> 0:52:50.719
<v Speaker 2>have just said you don't have to dress like the

0:52:50.719 --> 0:52:53.640
<v Speaker 2>clerics want you to anymore, do whatever, and doing that

0:52:53.680 --> 0:52:55.520
<v Speaker 2>also probably would have caused a lot less of the

0:52:55.600 --> 0:52:59.839
<v Speaker 2>kind of resentment that builds up in the right right right.

0:53:00.120 --> 0:53:02.920
<v Speaker 2>It's just he's a dick about everything. He's a huge asshole.

0:53:03.160 --> 0:53:08.239
<v Speaker 2>That's Resus Shah basically. So Ron does modernize a lot

0:53:08.320 --> 0:53:10.720
<v Speaker 2>during Res's time, and power, and early in his reign

0:53:10.760 --> 0:53:13.279
<v Speaker 2>there are other people who are doing hard work and

0:53:13.680 --> 0:53:16.920
<v Speaker 2>good work. We're like competent political figures and allies who

0:53:17.000 --> 0:53:20.040
<v Speaker 2>is able to entrust to execute and create policy right,

0:53:20.040 --> 0:53:22.080
<v Speaker 2>and this is part of why there's a lot of

0:53:22.120 --> 0:53:25.040
<v Speaker 2>development in the country. Each of these men, though, grows

0:53:25.080 --> 0:53:27.759
<v Speaker 2>too powerful and popular for Res's liking. He is not

0:53:27.840 --> 0:53:30.719
<v Speaker 2>a guy who is good at trusting. The Encyclopedia of

0:53:30.719 --> 0:53:33.319
<v Speaker 2>the World of his Lam notes they were gradually eliminated

0:53:33.360 --> 0:53:35.600
<v Speaker 2>from the political arena, and most of them were murdered

0:53:35.680 --> 0:53:39.560
<v Speaker 2>humiliatingly at his behest. So not a great dude to work.

0:53:39.600 --> 0:53:42.600
<v Speaker 3>God, I don't like that sentence. Murdered humiliatingly.

0:53:42.840 --> 0:53:48.560
<v Speaker 2>No, that is no very that sounds bleak. Yeah, horrible. Oh,

0:53:48.640 --> 0:53:51.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean he likes cauterizing stuff. So we know that

0:53:51.960 --> 0:53:55.120
<v Speaker 2>there's some fucked up shit going on here. By nineteen

0:53:55.200 --> 0:53:57.120
<v Speaker 2>thirty one or so, the Shah is about as close

0:53:57.160 --> 0:53:59.480
<v Speaker 2>to a total desk but as one could be. But

0:53:59.520 --> 0:54:01.719
<v Speaker 2>his cruel he was to his own people. He was

0:54:01.800 --> 0:54:04.520
<v Speaker 2>deeply aware of how fragile his hold on power remained.

0:54:04.560 --> 0:54:06.879
<v Speaker 2>He had seen in action how little effort it took

0:54:06.920 --> 0:54:09.759
<v Speaker 2>the British to help him onto his throne over the years,

0:54:09.800 --> 0:54:13.000
<v Speaker 2>though he had also grown increasingly paranoid about their plots.

0:54:13.360 --> 0:54:16.080
<v Speaker 2>At the same time, he was terrified of the USSR.

0:54:16.360 --> 0:54:19.000
<v Speaker 2>And he actually gives the Soviet Union a big chunk

0:54:19.080 --> 0:54:22.359
<v Speaker 2>of what's today Turkmenistan in nineteen thirty three to try

0:54:22.400 --> 0:54:24.719
<v Speaker 2>and buy them off and keep them happy. And he

0:54:24.760 --> 0:54:27.520
<v Speaker 2>does the same to British oil interests. He gives them,

0:54:27.800 --> 0:54:30.719
<v Speaker 2>like concedes, a bunch of Iranian soil. He does this

0:54:30.840 --> 0:54:32.640
<v Speaker 2>a few times to and I think he does this

0:54:32.680 --> 0:54:35.720
<v Speaker 2>to Turkey as well. He gives away a sizable chunk

0:54:35.760 --> 0:54:38.440
<v Speaker 2>of his country in order to preserve his reign and

0:54:38.480 --> 0:54:41.440
<v Speaker 2>try to make friends with these foreign powers that he's

0:54:41.480 --> 0:54:44.319
<v Speaker 2>hoping will help keep him on his throne. And this

0:54:44.400 --> 0:54:47.760
<v Speaker 2>obviously pisses people off. He's literally giving away the country.

0:54:48.080 --> 0:54:51.000
<v Speaker 2>Public authorities in the media were ordered to describe the

0:54:51.000 --> 0:54:53.839
<v Speaker 2>Shaw as a reformer who had modernized the country. He

0:54:53.880 --> 0:54:56.880
<v Speaker 2>was given credit for reforms instituted by other past leaders

0:54:57.000 --> 0:55:00.160
<v Speaker 2>like Amre Kabir, while his secret police punished any one

0:55:00.160 --> 0:55:02.480
<v Speaker 2>who spoke out about the darker side of the regime.

0:55:03.000 --> 0:55:07.760
<v Speaker 2>Per Serene brysik Resa, Shaw's whim was absolute. His memory extraordinary,

0:55:07.840 --> 0:55:11.600
<v Speaker 2>his thirst to avenge proverbial his skin gossamer. No elective

0:55:11.640 --> 0:55:15.040
<v Speaker 2>constitutional system was allowed to grow roots under the Pelavis,

0:55:15.320 --> 0:55:18.479
<v Speaker 2>another break from Atta Turk's example to the untraveled Shaw,

0:55:18.560 --> 0:55:21.680
<v Speaker 2>the concept of a free press was unfathomable. When Resa

0:55:21.719 --> 0:55:24.759
<v Speaker 2>discovered that Iranians were still using postage stamps bearing the

0:55:24.800 --> 0:55:27.560
<v Speaker 2>portrait of the deposed Ahmed Shah, he sent his troops

0:55:27.560 --> 0:55:31.200
<v Speaker 2>to seize the entire supply. For some weeks, Iran remained stampless,

0:55:31.200 --> 0:55:33.719
<v Speaker 2>and since the newly minted ones with Reza's portrait were

0:55:33.719 --> 0:55:36.319
<v Speaker 2>slow and arriving from Holland, the old stamps had to

0:55:36.320 --> 0:55:40.440
<v Speaker 2>be retrieved and circulated. I'll bite with the exiled Shaw's

0:55:40.480 --> 0:55:41.640
<v Speaker 2>effigy blacked out.

0:55:43.320 --> 0:55:45.080
<v Speaker 3>That's a bit. Somebody had to go through each one

0:55:45.080 --> 0:55:46.680
<v Speaker 3>of those stamps and just gride it out.

0:55:46.760 --> 0:55:49.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like you just had a temper tantor He's like,

0:55:49.560 --> 0:55:51.960
<v Speaker 2>oh the stamps, confiscate them all and they're like, well,

0:55:52.000 --> 0:55:55.600
<v Speaker 2>no one can use the mail. Hey, hey, hey, boss,

0:55:56.560 --> 0:55:59.000
<v Speaker 2>that kind of a problem here. He's like, you got sharpies,

0:55:59.040 --> 0:56:00.000
<v Speaker 2>don't you.

0:56:01.160 --> 0:56:06.000
<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, and I'll have you note. This is where

0:56:06.160 --> 0:56:08.160
<v Speaker 3>this is the corner of the show in which I

0:56:08.200 --> 0:56:11.320
<v Speaker 3>talk about Persian contributions to the world, the postal system,

0:56:11.360 --> 0:56:13.839
<v Speaker 3>you like the postal service. Persians came up with that,

0:56:13.920 --> 0:56:16.680
<v Speaker 3>you like that love something that's that's our thing, one

0:56:16.680 --> 0:56:19.600
<v Speaker 3>of our things, and he fucked it up, fucked it up.

0:56:19.760 --> 0:56:22.760
<v Speaker 3>It's our thing, man, and you fucked it up. Yeah.

0:56:22.960 --> 0:56:24.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's been your thing. It's been your thing for

0:56:24.520 --> 0:56:28.880
<v Speaker 2>a while. Yeah. So when the Great Depression hits, oil

0:56:28.920 --> 0:56:31.920
<v Speaker 2>revenues from Great Britain dry up sharply. Again, the British

0:56:31.960 --> 0:56:35.400
<v Speaker 2>are nominally supposed to pay quite a bit to Iran

0:56:35.680 --> 0:56:37.919
<v Speaker 2>for the oil that they take out, but like during

0:56:37.960 --> 0:56:41.000
<v Speaker 2>World War One, they stop paying because they're like why

0:56:41.040 --> 0:56:44.160
<v Speaker 2>would we pay? Times are hard and during Great Depression

0:56:44.320 --> 0:56:48.839
<v Speaker 2>oil revenue is also dry up sharply. They're finding ways

0:56:48.840 --> 0:56:51.480
<v Speaker 2>to fuck with them. They're still selling oil. They are

0:56:51.480 --> 0:56:55.759
<v Speaker 2>often lying to the government because again APOC has never

0:56:55.840 --> 0:56:58.680
<v Speaker 2>cared about the government in Tehran, so they're often they're like,

0:56:58.719 --> 0:57:01.520
<v Speaker 2>the government Iran doesn't ually know what the British Navy's

0:57:01.560 --> 0:57:05.120
<v Speaker 2>paying for oil, right, Like that's all kept in a

0:57:05.160 --> 0:57:07.799
<v Speaker 2>black box from them. This piss is off the Shaw.

0:57:07.880 --> 0:57:11.759
<v Speaker 2>There's years of ongoing arguments with the Shaw and renegotiations

0:57:11.760 --> 0:57:14.399
<v Speaker 2>of that contract with Darcy, where the Shaws like, you're

0:57:14.440 --> 0:57:17.320
<v Speaker 2>fucking us because and they are. The Shaw is not wrong,

0:57:17.360 --> 0:57:21.800
<v Speaker 2>he's being fucked here. So it is still APOC, the

0:57:21.840 --> 0:57:25.600
<v Speaker 2>Anglo Persian Oil Company at the time, though it will

0:57:25.600 --> 0:57:28.800
<v Speaker 2>eventually be renamed, as you noted, the Anglo Iranian Oil

0:57:28.800 --> 0:57:32.120
<v Speaker 2>Company or AIOC. And just in case you're all curious,

0:57:32.160 --> 0:57:35.240
<v Speaker 2>it's renamed one more time and it still exists today, COVID.

0:57:35.240 --> 0:57:38.600
<v Speaker 2>Do you know what APOC slash AOK is today?

0:57:39.320 --> 0:57:42.080
<v Speaker 3>Famously known for taking care of the environment, They are

0:57:42.120 --> 0:57:45.520
<v Speaker 3>now known as BP Wonderful Company, British Petroleum.

0:57:45.040 --> 0:57:49.680
<v Speaker 2>British Petroleum. That's right, baby, that's these motherfuckers.

0:57:49.840 --> 0:57:52.440
<v Speaker 3>They were from the beginning. It's so funny. Uh huh.

0:57:52.560 --> 0:57:56.160
<v Speaker 2>They were always evil, always evil as fuck.

0:57:56.240 --> 0:57:58.560
<v Speaker 3>Even when they weren't killing like ducks and stuff.

0:57:58.880 --> 0:58:01.920
<v Speaker 2>No, no, there's never been a leader of that company

0:58:01.920 --> 0:58:04.160
<v Speaker 2>who didn't deserve to be flung into the sun.

0:58:05.240 --> 0:58:06.400
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely so.

0:58:06.880 --> 0:58:09.200
<v Speaker 2>The fact that Great Britain's fucking him and that the

0:58:09.240 --> 0:58:13.640
<v Speaker 2>old company's fucking him really wears on Reza and resentment

0:58:13.680 --> 0:58:15.920
<v Speaker 2>over this builds at the same time as an awful

0:58:15.960 --> 0:58:18.800
<v Speaker 2>lot so in the twenties up to the thirties, he's

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<v Speaker 2>getting increasingly angry at Great Britain and increasingly paranoid at

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<v Speaker 2>at at Great Britain. And at the same time, a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of Germans start coming to Iran and like a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of if a lot of tourists come and a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of like vacation German.

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<v Speaker 3>Investors look in this business.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no to not very German regime. It's very nice.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you know, a guy gets elected in nineteen you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in the thirties who's not as nice, but but who

0:58:51.320 --> 0:58:54.120
<v Speaker 2>Resa Shaw finds himself actually in agreement with a lot

0:58:54.200 --> 0:58:57.320
<v Speaker 2>that guy his name is Adolf Hitler and is like

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<v Speaker 2>this Hitler guy. He's saying a lot I agree with

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<v Speaker 2>about how the British are evil and untrusted worthy. He's

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<v Speaker 2>saying a lot of other things that res agrees with too,

0:59:07.720 --> 0:59:11.240
<v Speaker 2>stuff on genocide that Resa might not be against. And

0:59:12.000 --> 0:59:14.720
<v Speaker 2>Germany this is actually one of the most successful. Like

0:59:15.040 --> 0:59:18.200
<v Speaker 2>German it's a mix of like a spying and like

0:59:18.240 --> 0:59:21.640
<v Speaker 2>an economic influence effort that, like the Nazi regime like

0:59:21.760 --> 0:59:24.680
<v Speaker 2>carries out over this period of time, which is that

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<v Speaker 2>by nineteen forty nearly half of all Iranian imports come

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<v Speaker 2>from the German Reich, and forty two percent of all

0:59:31.480 --> 0:59:35.680
<v Speaker 2>Iranian exports are entering Germany. So by the time World

0:59:35.760 --> 0:59:39.240
<v Speaker 2>War two starts, Germany is kind of more important for

0:59:39.280 --> 0:59:41.400
<v Speaker 2>the Iranian economy in a lot of ways than Great

0:59:41.400 --> 0:59:46.120
<v Speaker 2>Britain is. And Rezushah has come to believe that, like, well,

0:59:46.200 --> 0:59:48.840
<v Speaker 2>I've got these Germans who were good allies, right, Like

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<v Speaker 2>these these guys will be good friends to me, and

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<v Speaker 2>he starts he hates Britain and Russia both pretty much

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<v Speaker 2>the same at this point in time, and he kind

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<v Speaker 2>of at the start of World War Two he makes

0:59:57.840 --> 1:00:00.280
<v Speaker 2>a bet that, like, I bet Hitler's gonna win. I

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<v Speaker 2>bet this, I bet things are going to keep going

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<v Speaker 2>well for Adolf Hitler. This goes wrong for him almost immediately.

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<v Speaker 2>For first off, he shocked at the Molotov Ribbon trop

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<v Speaker 2>Pact in nineteen thirty nine that like, the Soviet Union

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<v Speaker 2>and the Nazis have a detent and invade Poland together,

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<v Speaker 2>because he's like, wait, but I don't like Russia. I

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<v Speaker 2>thought that we were on the same page about that Germany, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And when World War two starts, he's like, Iran's neutral,

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<v Speaker 2>trust me neutral, We want not. We're not siding with

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<v Speaker 2>the Germans here, but when the Germans invade the USSR,

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<v Speaker 2>that makes Russia and Great Britain allies, and they're the

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<v Speaker 2>British are increasingly unhappy with this guy who seemed very

1:00:43.840 --> 1:00:47.280
<v Speaker 2>sympathetic to Hitler being on the throne. And to make

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<v Speaker 2>a long story short, the Shaw is forced to abdicate.

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<v Speaker 2>He tells his son, I cannot be and this is

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<v Speaker 2>because like Russia and Britain, like primarily Britain, like sins

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<v Speaker 2>soldiers into Persia, right, they basically take the country because

1:01:00.680 --> 1:01:03.000
<v Speaker 2>they need the oil for the war that they're fighting

1:01:03.080 --> 1:01:04.880
<v Speaker 2>with the Third Reich, and they don't want this guy

1:01:04.920 --> 1:01:07.640
<v Speaker 2>who's untrustworthy to be able to cut off the Royal

1:01:07.720 --> 1:01:08.760
<v Speaker 2>Navy's fuel supply.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>It's part of why there's a conference in Tehran during

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<v Speaker 2>World War two, the Tehran Conference. It's a big deal.

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<v Speaker 2>And the Shah, Yeah, Reza is not a fan of

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<v Speaker 2>any of this. He abdicates, telling his son, I cannot

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<v Speaker 2>be the nominal head of an occupied land to be

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<v Speaker 2>dictated to by a minor English or Russian officer. His son,

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<v Speaker 2>who's twenty one years old at this time, Mohammed Reza

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<v Speaker 2>Palavi is immediately proclaimed Shah by the Mazles right after this,

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<v Speaker 2>and yeah, that's more or less the end of this

1:01:40.600 --> 1:01:44.240
<v Speaker 2>guy's story. Reza, the former Shah, gets put onto a

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<v Speaker 2>British boat. He goes to Mauritius first in the Indian Ocean,

1:01:48.040 --> 1:01:49.800
<v Speaker 2>but he doesn't like the climate and he eventually is

1:01:49.840 --> 1:01:53.920
<v Speaker 2>taken to Johannesburg, South Africa, where he stays under house arrest,

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<v Speaker 2>dying from a heart attack in nineteen forty four. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's the end of his life.

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<v Speaker 3>That that's fascinating. First of all, when I heard that

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<v Speaker 3>we were doing the show, I had the wrong show

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<v Speaker 3>in mind. So this is fascinating because this is the

1:02:06.080 --> 1:02:09.600
<v Speaker 3>Shaw I know the least about. So that's really interesting

1:02:09.640 --> 1:02:11.000
<v Speaker 3>to get all this background.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought this was all going to be the first

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<v Speaker 2>like two pages of a script. On the other shot,

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, this is just the context we need,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just found it so interesting and worth telling,

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<v Speaker 2>and I like, especially once I hit the fucking Great

1:02:22.520 --> 1:02:24.680
<v Speaker 2>Persian fam and I was like, well shit, this like

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<v Speaker 2>I need to refocus these episodes.

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<v Speaker 3>No, absolutely, And I do think it's so important because

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<v Speaker 3>it lays out the groundwork for what happens next, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>really importantly, and it makes it so much easier to

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<v Speaker 3>understand what happens next. I was under the impression that

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<v Speaker 3>he had flirted with the Nazis just because he hated

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<v Speaker 3>the British so much, but I didn't. I didn't realize

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<v Speaker 3>he was quite so sympathetic. It sounds like the Allies

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<v Speaker 3>had their their fears, which may or may not have

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<v Speaker 3>been grounded, but yeah, makes sense as to why they

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<v Speaker 3>went in and deposed him. It's always weird to me

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<v Speaker 3>that dynamic, like I because like, what does that mean?

1:03:02.760 --> 1:03:05.040
<v Speaker 3>As the sun? How do you stay behind? And that's

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<v Speaker 3>just so weird. I guess you have to. You feel

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<v Speaker 3>like it's your duty. In the best case scenario, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Get to be the king. Your dad's never been that great,

1:03:13.960 --> 1:03:16.800
<v Speaker 2>you're twenty one, probably always figured you could do a

1:03:16.840 --> 1:03:17.560
<v Speaker 2>better job.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I'm curious because at this time, I think

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<v Speaker 3>the twenty one year old Mohammed Resishaw the Sun was

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<v Speaker 3>just out there in like Europe, hanging out like with

1:03:28.160 --> 1:03:33.280
<v Speaker 3>like B grade celebrities and actresses and partying hard. So

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't I'm curious to know where he was at

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<v Speaker 3>in the stage in his life. But we'll have to

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<v Speaker 3>get to it as some other point three more episodes.

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<v Speaker 2>Please, yeah, don't worry. We will, friends, we will, but

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<v Speaker 2>we're not going to do that today. Today we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to do something else. We're going to end the episode

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<v Speaker 2>with you plugging your pluggables.

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